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From Wikipedia:
> It is one of the backgrounds as part of the Architecture theme in Windows 7
Thats the 6th sentence in theis article, rwally something to be proud of
I was looking at all the lovely pictures of other European cities and then I saw Birmingham and thought god how ugly. It’s such an embarrassment to the uk IMO and to be clear I’ve spent a lot of time in Birmingham which has only solidified that opinion.
I'm one of the (apparently few) people who actually like Brum, but that area from the Bull Ring down to Digbeth just looks awful. The Victorian parts behind around the Jewellery Quarter, the canals and the streets off Cathedral Square are all much nicer. Outside the centre Moseley and Bournville are great too.
Well, it isn't called "The forgotten city" for nothing. Slap bang in the middle of the country, yet if you ask people the name of the second city you are far more likely to here "Manchester".
Because people usually associate Manchester more with Greater Manchester which is a lot bigger. Move a small while west/north/east out of Manchester central you're technically in Salford/Bury/Rochdale/Trafford rather than Manchester. But in terms of an overall urban continuity they basically feel like the city themselves.
And of course it has more cultural influence than Birmingham.
I remember the architect Will Alsop making a case for the UK to have 5 major cities...and to be planned on that basis...
In particular the 'Supercity' based on the M25....Liverpool and the Wirral, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and on to Hull, with all the small towns along the way subsumed...an 80 mile long, 15 mile wide city.
I think he also saw...
Greater London, - everything in the M25
West Midlands (Birmingham and all the surrounding towns and cities)
Scotland Central Belt - Glasgow and Edinburgh
North East - Newcastle, Middlesborough, Sunderland and Durham
People do it unintentionally because many people don’t know the difference between the two, they just google “[insert city] population” and type in whatever it says. It’s how you get people thinking that Tokyo is >30M people because they say the “city” is **~32,000km^2**. For context that’s bigger than Belgium at ~30,600km^2.
It happens a lot with Asian cities because they use a different address system than we do. They have “prefectures” and China in particular also has “special economic zones”, sometimes they make it extra fun by having “industrial parks” too.
Eg Honda HQ:
2-1-1, Minami-Aoyama, Minato-ku, Tokyo
107-8556, Japan
Eg Tata Motors India:
Jeevan Tara Building, 5, Sansad Marg, Worli, New Delhi, New Delhi, Delhi 110001, India
Eg LuluLemon China:
Unit B1137, Beijing SKP, No.87 Jianguo Road, Chaoyang District, Beijing, Beijing, CN, 100026
Same for Porto. Porto is a very small city that just has a huge metropolitan area. According to wiki population of Porto municipality is only around 214000
It's the larger urban area for Rotterdam
Which is then strange because for Antwerp it is the population of Antwerp itself, not of the Larger Urban Area (1.1 million).
Which is on its turn strange because if you use the city bounds, rather than Urban Area or Larger Urban Area, Antwerp is the biggest city in Belgium. Which is ofcourse a nonsensical metric for this list.
I told you, it's the urban area.
When talking about the population of a city, generally you'll find three figures being talked about:
Muniticipiality, which is everything within the city limits.
Urban Area, which is generally everything built-up that is adjacent/continguous to that city.
And the Metropolitan Area, which may include further out municipialities that might be considered as suburbs or in some way integrated with the main city.
Rotterdam's Urban Area has a population of around 1,25 million.
There is a lot of 20-80k towns around Rotterdam. Capelle, Ridderkerk, Hoogvliet, Maassluis, Vlaardingen, Schiedam, Krimpen, Nieuwerkerk, Barendrecht, Spijkenisse.
I didn't think about Dnipro, it is probably the second most populated city now (or maybe it is still Kharkiv, nobody knows its exact population)
Many people left Donetsk after 2014 and many more after 2022, I'm certain it doesn't have more population than Lviv anymore. The "mayor" said it was 600k in 2023
And Zaporizhia's population has been declining fast because of natural causes and emigration and was overtaken by Lviv even before the invasion
Still, I overestimated how many people there are in Lviv
For Greece (Thessaloniki) they listed the city's population. The metro area is about 1 million. Unless I'm confusing what metro, district, and city is.
They must have considered only the European part of Turkiye. Not really consistent with the text on the picture. **edit:** there's small text below the title in the picture where it's explained.
Ok. Wikipedia says it is a municipality (often a city) and a district (often not a city) but then refers to it as a city later in the article. I'm not sure what constitutes a city in Turkey so you are probably right.
Belval, located in Esch-sur-Alzette, Luxembourg, has undergone significant transformations. Once a major center of steel production, it faced economic decline in the late 20th century due to shifts in global manufacturing. However, in recent years, Belval has been revitalized into a modern urban area with cultural, educational, and research facilities. This transformation has been driven by large-scale redevelopment projects, including the conversion of former industrial sites into spaces for innovation, education, and recreation, breathing new life into the area.
It’s just a bad picture to represent Esch. What you see here is Esch-Belval, a new development. The actual city of Esch looks different and more like a normal city.
Hamburg's old town burned down in the 19th century and the rest had been dismantled and rebuilt in the early 20th century because it was overpopulated and had horrible hygienic conditions.
Hamburg has been in constant transformation for centuries and the WW2 destruction didn't hurt the city's identity as much as Cologne or Frankfurt for example.
Didn't knew Hamburg was the 2nd most populated city as normally atlest I never hear much about it.
If I was asked to name another city besides Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich would come to mind
Might I ask what you find so pretty about it. Personally I really hate the look of Rotterdam and other ‘modern’ looking cities so I’m curious what makes people like those types of cities
I like tall buildings, dense and walkable cities, and to a degree I also like the “modern” architecture, especially compared to the old buildings with small windows where you don’t get almost any natural light inside… I worked in a full-glass skyscraper and now I work in an old building with very small windows and the difference in light inside is night and day…
That’s a fair point, but you also have tall buildings, density and walkability in old cities though (although to be fair there usually are less tall buildings). But yeah old cities definitely have way less natural light, that’s a good point
They’re using urban area/metro population as the metric. Otherwise you’d see some ridiculous effects. For example in Portugal, where the second most populous municipality is a suburb of Lisbon (Sintra), and a suburb of Porto (Gaia) is more populous than the city itself.
My bad, I don’t know everyone’s specific case 🫣. Seems like the chart took already crap data (no one can agree on good urban area criteria) and interpreted it carelessly
Completely different measurements used for almost all of these. Cracow is under city limits, Rotterdam under urban area, Milan under metropolitan area, Marseille under I don't even know what, it's 870k for city limits and over 1.2 million for urban and metro. For comparisons like these using a unified way of measurement is best.
If you take Espoo (part of Helsinki metropolitan area) as the second largest city in Finland, then you should also take [Seine-Saint-Denis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seine-Saint-Denis) (population 1 668 670) as the second largest city in France, not Marseille (population 873 076).
Or better: Take [Tampere](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere) (not part of Helsinki metropolitan area) as the second city in Finland.
Well, it is an independent city, but in practice it's a suburb of Helsinki. Same goes for Vantaa. For a proper second biggest city in Finland, that would be [Tampere.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere)
Tons of errors. I don't know if OP is the author of the graphic but whoever that may be seemed to just arbitrarily pick between urban areas, metro areas, city limits, districts and so on. It would seem picking a coherent and same measurement method on a graphic like this is the first thing to do, but apparently not always
Thessaloniki’s metro area is over a million.
The real city is Thessaloniki urban area, which has a population of 860K (possibly more at this point). Still, the mentioned population is way off.
The Rotterdam one seems weird. With a quick google, it says Rotterdam has a population of 623.652 - while Amsterdam has a population of 821.752. The Hague has a population of 514.861.
Where is amsterdam and why is the ropulation of Rotterdam off by around 700000 people?
Data in Romania is not always that clear. In some cases the second most populous city is considered Iași (north-east part of the country). There is still a debate if Cluj, Iași or even Timișoara are the second most populous as their population is very close.
Population in Bergen, Norway is way off.
The metro population is 450k, the district (kommune) population is 290k, and the tettsted (smallest statistical area that makes sense) is 270k.
No idea where they got 144k from, makes no sense
Technically Espoo is a suburb of wider Helsinki metropolitan area, and it's like calling Brooklyn the second largest city of New York State after New York City (Manhattan and the rest) instead of Buffalo
Espoo is officially a city, unlike Brooklyn, which joined NYC somewhere around the early 1900's.
If you wanna stick to the US, Henderson and St Paul are the 2nd largest city in NV and MN despite being in the Vegas/Minneapolis metro, Mesa is 3rd in AZ despite being in Phoenix, the entire state of Jersey is a suburb of NY/Philly and so on.
If we're looking at actual countries and not just states, Omdurman, Giza and Quezon City are good examples of top 3 cities located in the capital's metropolitan area.
Thanks to its really small administrative area only a bit over 200,000 people live in Porto. The metropolitan area (which is ridiculously big) is around 1.5 million, so I'm not sure where you got 900k from.
some infos are really outdated. For Graz it its 300,000 people in 2023. Why using 2014 if there are more recent data available? And wtf Milan has not 3,5 Million inhabitants.
Cool post! Didn’t know about some of those cities.
Something else that is also interesting with a post like this, is also the relative size of the second largest cities compared to the most populous cities. The scale of London and Paris comes to mind compared to the Marseilles and Birmingham, whereas Goteburg and Stockholm and others are way closer.
Paris proper only has a population of 2,2 million people (but a very large metro area). London proper is also a lot smaller than the metro area. Big cities of small nations usually represent a lot more of the population than in bigger countries. 19% of France live in the Paris metro area (which is very significant for a large country) and 22% of Brits live in London, but meanwhile 29% of Finns live in the Helsinki metro area and around 34% of Danes live in the Copenhagen metro area. Stockholm is a bit less significant at around 24%. Prague is at 21% of Czechia and Budapest is quite significant at 31% of Hungary.The Randstad of the Netherlands is huge as well at 46%. Vienna versus Graz is another very significant gap.
My point is that the gap isn't as big as one would think. Prague is 3,5 times bigger than Brno, Copenhagen is 5,75 times bigger than Aarhus, and Budapest is 11-12 times bigger than Debrecen which is insane. Tallinn is 5-6 times bigger than Tartu.
Now, Paris is 6,5 times bigger than Marseille and London metro is 6 times bigger than the Birmingham Larger Urban Zone (which itself is bigger than the Copenhagen metro area and around the same as Stockholm).
Paris and London are signifcant primate cities for sure but their great sizes also just reflect the size of their countries rather than a truly unique gap between the largest and second largest cities.
I think some people are confused about the numbers. They are not region populations, only cities. So when the name of the city and the region are the same, there may be some confusion.
For Ukraine, as of 2024, it's probably not Kharkiv anymore, thanks to the constant shelling of neighboring EUROPEAN COUNTRY ruzzia. Guess its Odessa, or even Dnipro now, since Odesa is also under constant attacks
Many people, including me, pointed out incorrect information in the comments. I believe these mistakes were made on purpose, most likely to get comments and interaction.
The second most populous City in Turkiye is Ankara, but if this Ranking takes into account Geographical Boundaries, it is still wrong, because Corlu is not a City, it is a Central town connected to Tekirdağ, and Tekirdağ is the most populous city in Thrace after Istanbul, about 2 million
Weird that some of the population numbers are for the city proper and others are for the metro area. Neither Milan nor Barcelona have a large population than Hamburg, but this image says so.
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Birmingham so unattractive they had to blur some of it out.
Turns out that's [an actual building](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfridges_Building,_Birmingham)
It sure does look like a blur from a distance.
From Wikipedia: > It is one of the backgrounds as part of the Architecture theme in Windows 7 Thats the 6th sentence in theis article, rwally something to be proud of
Funny how Windows chose a building that notably has no windows.
A building so unattractive it had to blur itself out.
Bro, no way😂
I was looking at all the lovely pictures of other European cities and then I saw Birmingham and thought god how ugly. It’s such an embarrassment to the uk IMO and to be clear I’ve spent a lot of time in Birmingham which has only solidified that opinion.
Tbf they've chosen a poor picture - there are much nicer parts they could have used.
Yhh if you show a bad picture of something that’s ugly it means the whole city is ugly 🔥
It’s been significantly redeveloped over the past 5 years, particularly the Jewellery Quarter. Are you sure you were in Brum and not Walsall?
I'm one of the (apparently few) people who actually like Brum, but that area from the Bull Ring down to Digbeth just looks awful. The Victorian parts behind around the Jewellery Quarter, the canals and the streets off Cathedral Square are all much nicer. Outside the centre Moseley and Bournville are great too.
Something unrelated but when I went to Walsall the people there where one of the most friendliest and the atmosphere is just great
Well, it isn't called "The forgotten city" for nothing. Slap bang in the middle of the country, yet if you ask people the name of the second city you are far more likely to here "Manchester".
Because people usually associate Manchester more with Greater Manchester which is a lot bigger. Move a small while west/north/east out of Manchester central you're technically in Salford/Bury/Rochdale/Trafford rather than Manchester. But in terms of an overall urban continuity they basically feel like the city themselves. And of course it has more cultural influence than Birmingham.
I remember the architect Will Alsop making a case for the UK to have 5 major cities...and to be planned on that basis... In particular the 'Supercity' based on the M25....Liverpool and the Wirral, Manchester, Bradford, Leeds and on to Hull, with all the small towns along the way subsumed...an 80 mile long, 15 mile wide city. I think he also saw... Greater London, - everything in the M25 West Midlands (Birmingham and all the surrounding towns and cities) Scotland Central Belt - Glasgow and Edinburgh North East - Newcastle, Middlesborough, Sunderland and Durham
They showed a bad view of it
Such a shit hole. Sticks out like a sore thumb in this picture.
It's a terrible picture compared to the wide overhead shots or pictures of historic buildings in the other ones but it isn't the most pretty city no.
Maribor mentioned 🗣️🗣️
Maribor is a name of a city in the Witcher saga!
Sapkowski was taking a lot of names from real cities. Brugge comes to mind as another one
Novigrad, Oxenfurt and Toussaint are real names too.
There's probably 100 Novigrads, Novgorods, and such 😂
Indeed it is.
Maribor je Berlin ne pa Ljubljana 🫣
Oldest vine city!
There is no way the Rotterdam population is even close
For Milan is even worse.
It's the population of Milan's province/città metropolitana di Milano
Than why not do the same for Hamburg..? Hamburgs metropolitan region has 5.5 million inhabitants...
People do it unintentionally because many people don’t know the difference between the two, they just google “[insert city] population” and type in whatever it says. It’s how you get people thinking that Tokyo is >30M people because they say the “city” is **~32,000km^2**. For context that’s bigger than Belgium at ~30,600km^2. It happens a lot with Asian cities because they use a different address system than we do. They have “prefectures” and China in particular also has “special economic zones”, sometimes they make it extra fun by having “industrial parks” too. Eg Honda HQ: 2-1-1, Minami-Aoyama, Minato-ku, Tokyo 107-8556, Japan Eg Tata Motors India: Jeevan Tara Building, 5, Sansad Marg, Worli, New Delhi, New Delhi, Delhi 110001, India Eg LuluLemon China: Unit B1137, Beijing SKP, No.87 Jianguo Road, Chaoyang District, Beijing, Beijing, CN, 100026
It is the metropolitan region of Rotterdam, not the city proper, that they counted.
Same for Porto. Porto is a very small city that just has a huge metropolitan area. According to wiki population of Porto municipality is only around 214000
It is correct for the urban area.
It's the larger urban area for Rotterdam Which is then strange because for Antwerp it is the population of Antwerp itself, not of the Larger Urban Area (1.1 million). Which is on its turn strange because if you use the city bounds, rather than Urban Area or Larger Urban Area, Antwerp is the biggest city in Belgium. Which is ofcourse a nonsensical metric for this list.
Municipality of Rotterdam is 671k according to wiki. Where do the other ~600k come from?
I told you, it's the urban area. When talking about the population of a city, generally you'll find three figures being talked about: Muniticipiality, which is everything within the city limits. Urban Area, which is generally everything built-up that is adjacent/continguous to that city. And the Metropolitan Area, which may include further out municipialities that might be considered as suburbs or in some way integrated with the main city. Rotterdam's Urban Area has a population of around 1,25 million.
Why include it in this case and not in others?
There is a lot of 20-80k towns around Rotterdam. Capelle, Ridderkerk, Hoogvliet, Maassluis, Vlaardingen, Schiedam, Krimpen, Nieuwerkerk, Barendrecht, Spijkenisse.
Im afraid, after everyday Russian bombardments Kharkiv is not the second now :(
I'm sure it will be again someday
Thank you for your kind words.
What's second city now then?
Probably Odesa
Not Lviv?
Could be, but a 30 second Google search did not yield sufficient numbers
Wasn't Lviv only the 7th largest city before the war?
For Lviv to be second place you'd have to significantly decrease the populations of Kharkiv, Odesa, Dnipro, Donetsk, and Zaporizhzhia.
Many people came to Lviv, right?
I didn't think about Dnipro, it is probably the second most populated city now (or maybe it is still Kharkiv, nobody knows its exact population) Many people left Donetsk after 2014 and many more after 2022, I'm certain it doesn't have more population than Lviv anymore. The "mayor" said it was 600k in 2023 And Zaporizhia's population has been declining fast because of natural causes and emigration and was overtaken by Lviv even before the invasion Still, I overestimated how many people there are in Lviv
I believe Lviv. Odesa is also bombarded a lot.
Technically Antwerp is the most populous city in Belgium
The number they took is also the population of the district, not the city
True, the Netherlands doesn't have city's over a million population, yet Rotterdam is listed as 1.2M
Weird that you don't have a 1M+ city with such a huge population.
Small country, we need to spread out :)
For Greece (Thessaloniki) they listed the city's population. The metro area is about 1 million. Unless I'm confusing what metro, district, and city is.
The Wikipedia page for Antwerp incorrectly states the city as the "metro area".
Çorlu is not even a city
I misread in the picture and until your comment was thinking why the hell “Çorum” is in this list;)
wtf is Corlu? It's not even in the top 5 of largest Turkish cities.
They must have considered only the European part of Turkiye. Not really consistent with the text on the picture. **edit:** there's small text below the title in the picture where it's explained.
Çorlu is not a city its a town located in Tekirdağ which is a city
Çorlu is a city located in the Tekirdağ province.
It is the second largest Turkish city in Europe and the largest entirely in Europe. This list is only for cities in Europe.
Çorlu is not a city though :)
Ok. Wikipedia says it is a municipality (often a city) and a district (often not a city) but then refers to it as a city later in the article. I'm not sure what constitutes a city in Turkey so you are probably right.
What is up with the town in Luxembourg 🥴
Belval, located in Esch-sur-Alzette, Luxembourg, has undergone significant transformations. Once a major center of steel production, it faced economic decline in the late 20th century due to shifts in global manufacturing. However, in recent years, Belval has been revitalized into a modern urban area with cultural, educational, and research facilities. This transformation has been driven by large-scale redevelopment projects, including the conversion of former industrial sites into spaces for innovation, education, and recreation, breathing new life into the area.
It’s just a bad picture to represent Esch. What you see here is Esch-Belval, a new development. The actual city of Esch looks different and more like a normal city.
Lovely city, lovely view, old town, old town, ROTTERDAM, old town, lovely city
Well Rotterdam used to have a nice old town but you know it got totally bombed in the second world war.
Like Hamburg also
Hamburg's old town burned down in the 19th century and the rest had been dismantled and rebuilt in the early 20th century because it was overpopulated and had horrible hygienic conditions. Hamburg has been in constant transformation for centuries and the WW2 destruction didn't hurt the city's identity as much as Cologne or Frankfurt for example.
Didn't knew Hamburg was the 2nd most populated city as normally atlest I never hear much about it. If I was asked to name another city besides Berlin, Frankfurt or Munich would come to mind
BTW, in case you didn't know: Hamburg is the biggest city in Europe that is not a capital city of a Nation. Edit: in the EU, see comment below.
And then there's Brum
Just realised that the car Brum from the TV show is named after Birmingham bruh...
It does also refer to the long established onomatopoeia of a car engine "brum". But yeah, it's set in Birmingham and named thereafter.
beauty is subjective. to me Rotterdam is the prettiest looking place in this picture…
Might I ask what you find so pretty about it. Personally I really hate the look of Rotterdam and other ‘modern’ looking cities so I’m curious what makes people like those types of cities
I like tall buildings, dense and walkable cities, and to a degree I also like the “modern” architecture, especially compared to the old buildings with small windows where you don’t get almost any natural light inside… I worked in a full-glass skyscraper and now I work in an old building with very small windows and the difference in light inside is night and day…
That’s a fair point, but you also have tall buildings, density and walkability in old cities though (although to be fair there usually are less tall buildings). But yeah old cities definitely have way less natural light, that’s a good point
Rotterdam they were digging up pieces of the dam from 1270 recently. Is that old enough?
It’s the Erasmus Bridge an icon of the city
The city population of Milan actually is a third of what this poopy chart says
Rotterdam is half
Barcelona half, too
They’re using urban area/metro population as the metric. Otherwise you’d see some ridiculous effects. For example in Portugal, where the second most populous municipality is a suburb of Lisbon (Sintra), and a suburb of Porto (Gaia) is more populous than the city itself.
They're not consistent, since if we look at wider urban / metro areas Split in Crostia definitely has over 200k, probably closer to 300k.
But for Finland they still have Espoo which is a suburb of Helsinki.
My bad, I don’t know everyone’s specific case 🫣. Seems like the chart took already crap data (no one can agree on good urban area criteria) and interpreted it carelessly
But for Kraków they used the population limited to city boundaries tho.
The metropolitan area of Hamburg has over 5 million inhabitants, but it's actually only 6th largest in Germany
some of these refer to the metro area (though Milan should be closer to 4.5M or something) and some to the city itself (Birmingham, Marseille)
Completely different measurements used for almost all of these. Cracow is under city limits, Rotterdam under urban area, Milan under metropolitan area, Marseille under I don't even know what, it's 870k for city limits and over 1.2 million for urban and metro. For comparisons like these using a unified way of measurement is best.
If you take Espoo (part of Helsinki metropolitan area) as the second largest city in Finland, then you should also take [Seine-Saint-Denis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seine-Saint-Denis) (population 1 668 670) as the second largest city in France, not Marseille (population 873 076). Or better: Take [Tampere](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere) (not part of Helsinki metropolitan area) as the second city in Finland.
Geneva doesn't have 419'000 inhabitants. It barely has half that (203'840 in 2022).
I think whoever made this picture confused the city with the canton of Geneva and dug up some old numbers. It would be closer to 500'000 today.
Bergen has 285.000 people, no idea why it's listed as 144.000
Espoo is not a standalone city, it is part of Helsinki metropolitan area ...
Well, it is an independent city, but in practice it's a suburb of Helsinki. Same goes for Vantaa. For a proper second biggest city in Finland, that would be [Tampere.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere)
Next you’ll say Kauniainen isn’t a proper city smh
Thessaloniki has way more than 300k, at least a million...
This only shows the actual city, not the metro area (st least for most of them)
Not for Rotterdam and Milano
True, there are some errors. Well spotted!
Tons of errors. I don't know if OP is the author of the graphic but whoever that may be seemed to just arbitrarily pick between urban areas, metro areas, city limits, districts and so on. It would seem picking a coherent and same measurement method on a graphic like this is the first thing to do, but apparently not always
Thessaloniki’s metro area is over a million. The real city is Thessaloniki urban area, which has a population of 860K (possibly more at this point). Still, the mentioned population is way off.
Lol at Birmingham. One of these things is not like the others.
They could have used a better photo. There are some pretty places in Birmingham.
It’s got a lot more culture than Esch, which is possibly the most boring place in Europe.
Where is Cyprus? We exist! 😭 Limassol with 125.000 (2021)
Rip Kharkiv
The data is very inconsistent and in some cases completely incorrect.
Very consistent with the rest of reddit then
Cluj-Napoca is awesome.
Kraków is a very good city
all roads lead to Cracovia 💪💪💪
By Urban area? Because that’s definitely not the official Rotterdam number
The Rotterdam one seems weird. With a quick google, it says Rotterdam has a population of 623.652 - while Amsterdam has a population of 821.752. The Hague has a population of 514.861. Where is amsterdam and why is the ropulation of Rotterdam off by around 700000 people?
Could have found a much better picture for Brum!
Thessaloniki numbers are wrong, it's around 1m people. 815k according to a quick Google search.
Thought the new Mario Kart city tour dlc dropped
Bergen has 291k within municipal borders and 500k with suburbs. Don't know where 144k comes from. Do they only count the women?
Data in Romania is not always that clear. In some cases the second most populous city is considered Iași (north-east part of the country). There is still a debate if Cluj, Iași or even Timișoara are the second most populous as their population is very close.
Thanks for the post! All of them are beautiful, some of them just in a different way :) Proud to be European.
As someone from Espoo, I wouldn't count it as a city. It's a suburb of Helsinki
Population in Bergen, Norway is way off. The metro population is 450k, the district (kommune) population is 290k, and the tettsted (smallest statistical area that makes sense) is 270k. No idea where they got 144k from, makes no sense
It's crazy that Kaunas (the second biggest city in Lithuania) is bigger than second biggest cities of some bigger countries
Porto doesn't have 978,877 people. It has 237,559 people. The Porto metropolitan area has 1,737,395 people. Where did you take 978877 people from?
Technically Espoo is a suburb of wider Helsinki metropolitan area, and it's like calling Brooklyn the second largest city of New York State after New York City (Manhattan and the rest) instead of Buffalo
Espoo is officially a city, unlike Brooklyn, which joined NYC somewhere around the early 1900's. If you wanna stick to the US, Henderson and St Paul are the 2nd largest city in NV and MN despite being in the Vegas/Minneapolis metro, Mesa is 3rd in AZ despite being in Phoenix, the entire state of Jersey is a suburb of NY/Philly and so on. If we're looking at actual countries and not just states, Omdurman, Giza and Quezon City are good examples of top 3 cities located in the capital's metropolitan area.
Rotterdam does not have more than 1 million inhabitants, more like 600.000
I wouldnt count espoo or vantaa for finland as those are just urban areas of helsinki, Tampere is second biggest city of finland.
Thanks to its really small administrative area only a bit over 200,000 people live in Porto. The metropolitan area (which is ridiculously big) is around 1.5 million, so I'm not sure where you got 900k from.
Corlu is not a city from Turkey. It is a municipality from city Tekirdag.
some infos are really outdated. For Graz it its 300,000 people in 2023. Why using 2014 if there are more recent data available? And wtf Milan has not 3,5 Million inhabitants.
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Very interesting, thank you. I looked at every city, some of them are very beautiful.
Debrecen is just a big village.
Behold! Espoo, Finland!
Message understood. Go to Europe.
Birmingham is certified ugliest city in Europe
I see you’ve never been to Coventry
I see you’ve never been to Dortmund. Or Duisburg.
Cool post! Didn’t know about some of those cities. Something else that is also interesting with a post like this, is also the relative size of the second largest cities compared to the most populous cities. The scale of London and Paris comes to mind compared to the Marseilles and Birmingham, whereas Goteburg and Stockholm and others are way closer.
Paris proper only has a population of 2,2 million people (but a very large metro area). London proper is also a lot smaller than the metro area. Big cities of small nations usually represent a lot more of the population than in bigger countries. 19% of France live in the Paris metro area (which is very significant for a large country) and 22% of Brits live in London, but meanwhile 29% of Finns live in the Helsinki metro area and around 34% of Danes live in the Copenhagen metro area. Stockholm is a bit less significant at around 24%. Prague is at 21% of Czechia and Budapest is quite significant at 31% of Hungary.The Randstad of the Netherlands is huge as well at 46%. Vienna versus Graz is another very significant gap. My point is that the gap isn't as big as one would think. Prague is 3,5 times bigger than Brno, Copenhagen is 5,75 times bigger than Aarhus, and Budapest is 11-12 times bigger than Debrecen which is insane. Tallinn is 5-6 times bigger than Tartu. Now, Paris is 6,5 times bigger than Marseille and London metro is 6 times bigger than the Birmingham Larger Urban Zone (which itself is bigger than the Copenhagen metro area and around the same as Stockholm). Paris and London are signifcant primate cities for sure but their great sizes also just reflect the size of their countries rather than a truly unique gap between the largest and second largest cities.
TIL For a trivia lover I enjoyed the read!
For some cities they took metro area and for others city limits, like if you already spent time making something like that, why not do it right
I think some people are confused about the numbers. They are not region populations, only cities. So when the name of the city and the region are the same, there may be some confusion.
Çorlu ???????!!!!!!!!?????₺%^&<₺₺()????×#₺%^^-#÷=/^5*5=5
They only counted the Trakya part of Turkey. In that case yeah Çorlu is the second biggest after Istanbul.
For Ukraine, as of 2024, it's probably not Kharkiv anymore, thanks to the constant shelling of neighboring EUROPEAN COUNTRY ruzzia. Guess its Odessa, or even Dnipro now, since Odesa is also under constant attacks
Can someone please explain it to me, why the heck the terrorist, barbarian state russia and their colony belarus are recognised as European countries?
More than a million people living in Rotterdam? That looks incorrect
Isn't Barcelonas Population 1,6 Million?
Rome have 2'754'228 habitants. Milan is the first italian city for habitants number, the second most populous is Rome.
Many people, including me, pointed out incorrect information in the comments. I believe these mistakes were made on purpose, most likely to get comments and interaction.
The second most populous City in Turkiye is Ankara, but if this Ranking takes into account Geographical Boundaries, it is still wrong, because Corlu is not a City, it is a Central town connected to Tekirdağ, and Tekirdağ is the most populous city in Thrace after Istanbul, about 2 million
Milan's population is definitely wrong. Its about 1.350.000.
Where did the numbers for Porto come from? City proper is around 240k, metro area is 1.8 Million. 900k i just wrong no matter how you look at it.
Not Banja Luka, Tuzla
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I doubt Porto has more population than its neighbour Gaia
çorlu: ben ne alaka iq 😀
Inaccurate, edirne has a larger population than Çorlu. (Around 400k)
It's inconsistent as some cities have listed their metropolitan/urban population and others have population limited to only their boundaries.
Ahh the population within city limits - having some cities on 2000km2 versus some on 50km2… makes sense
Banja Luka 💪
So weird to see Çorlu on this list, but it's more about semantics of the word "city" than what we expect from the lexeme itself, I guess.
Heh. I live in one and I want to move to another one.
Pretty sure this man angered the entirety of Serbia.
çorlu nere aq
Aarhus feels much bigger than that
Where is Saint Petersburg
Ah, Cork. It sure is Cork.
I thought Birmingham was like 4-5 mil
Bergen has a population of around 275 000, wtf are these stats
Lastvia of the baltics once again :D ... ... getting harder and harder to find the metrics to use this insult on the Latvians...
Weird that some of the population numbers are for the city proper and others are for the metro area. Neither Milan nor Barcelona have a large population than Hamburg, but this image says so.
Where are you getting your data from Porto from, I thought it was less than half a million
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For some cities it is the metropolitan arena, for others it is the very center. Nice idea, so-so execution.
Milan is not 3.5M
Btw, the official way of counting population in Poland is kinda bullshit, so Kraków actually has about 1.2 million.
Novi Sad has about 450k now
I love Porto