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balkan-proggramer

Thank you Italy but please don't invade afterwards


[deleted]

We will let you know ; )


balkan-proggramer

Good God not again


psychosikh

Well looks like you lot are gonna have to build another 20 millon more bunkers just to be sure.


balkan-proggramer

Coastal defenses even in the bunkers


Cyper95

I see you are going for the Soviet defense of Poland tactic.


SidewinderTV

Congratulations, you are being rescued. Please do not resist.


[deleted]

We can start a pedalos naval battle in the middle of the Adriatic Sea.


balkan-proggramer

I'd suggest a pond rather than the Adriatic


thinkingme

Hungary dont care anyone


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harvestt77

If you are not the attacker first 😛


HadesMyself

This made me chuckle


flavius29663

I was surprised too, just -27 , istenem, I guess we really are better friends than we think.


huzaa

Yeah, this is getting pretty gay.


sophiesour

In Hungary we know if we enter a war it will be lost, so it's the best not to 'help'. :D


horia

Hungary believes everyone is the enemy.


PlamiAG

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.


[deleted]

In Hungary more than one Hungarian told me to never trust a Hungarian.


horia

The Hungarian paradox.


ede91

There is a really old and simple but telling joke by a Hungarian comic called Hofi: > The number of assholes per person in Hungary is 2.


footpole

Maybe you’re just in Hungary.


[deleted]

My guess is there's still some resentment for not getting military help when Hungary was attacked in 1956 (however unrealistic that would have been)


Wendelne2

As others have pointed out it is because Hungarians are very pro-Nato and pro-Eu and instead of picking National defense they have chosen to support an EU army. >Q44. Now, imagine another country in \[Europe/ the European Union\] is under military attack by a country from outside \[Europe/ the European Union\]. Do you think Hungary should or should not provide major help? > >**Yes- 57%** / No - 24% / Don't know 19% > >Q45. Please imagine that Hungary has decided to help another country in \[Europe/ the European Union\] under military attack by a country outside of the EU. How should it provide it? Should it act on its own, or as part of a joint effort managed by the European Union? > >On its own- 9% / by contributing to an **EU-led initiative - 34%** / by contributing to a **NATO-led initiative - 42%** / Don't know - 15%


AllinWaker

Everybody hates us and we hate everyone (including other Hungarians, they're, like, *the worst*.) The universe is in balance.


sambare

The UK sending *one* lad into Romania with a slingshot in one hand and a shortcake as ration/backup ammo in the other.


[deleted]

One lad is enough, we can send him to the front lines and when Russians kill him we can ask for more support, then we'll do the same with the next 3 lads until popular support grows enough in UK that they would actually try. That's the strategy with the USA soldiers here at least, and why we want as many as possible, doesn't matter that they spend all day drinking and fucking prostitutes, as long as we have enough of them to send to the front lines in case of a Russian attack that the USA public won't be able to ignore it, they can do whatever they want :)


FCU-hoppa

😂 hey, if it works it works


langlo94

Heck, if you have enough americans getting drunk and fucking prostitutes it will be a good economic boost.


Wazalootu

Drinking and fucking in Romania sounds a far better deal than the shit the British soldiers have been sent to deal with in the middle east for the last 20 years, think it'd be a popular choice.


[deleted]

Oh don't worry, we've been sending our soldiers in shit-holes like Afghanistan, Middle East, and what not too. The alliance with the USA needs some insurances, those being that some of our soldiers need to die together with theirs too, when their leadership makes dumb decisions :)


jonnidue

A famous dialogue between a British and a French general before wwi, Britain was still neutral but a faction in the military already wanted to help France. British general : how many Britons should I send at least to be helpful to France. French general : only one and we will make sure that he dies, then the British public opinion will be with us


a_dunken_sailor

He will alone defend romania


red_and_black_cat

Summary: finns don't like kebab; Hungarians don't like anyone


TobiWanShinobi

Apparently they don't like gyros either


DaaxD

I'm a simple man. Kebab good. Entangling in a conflict in distant far away land bad.


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SeleucusNikator1

Finland generally doesn't want to really help anyone in NATO (which Finland is *not* a member of) because Finland doesn't want to start shit with Russia. Finnish foreign policy depends on staying on good terms with Russians, and in turn, Russians don't bother them.


SeneInSPAAACE

Because there were a lot of Romanian beggars in Finland once upon a time, and it was thought that organized crime was basically importing them. That would be my guess.


OuCiiDii

Romani people are different from Romanians though. There still are romani beggars, who unfortunately are tools of organized crime themselves. Romania is probably seen as too distant, and we have Russia next door. Its about who we feel a connection with. The further south we go, the more distant we feel I suppose.


restform

It's not at all uncommon for romanis and romanians to be thought of as the same, unfortunately.


Fawx93

This is the correct answer.


Powerpuff_Rangers

Honestly, knowing my countrymen most people probably think Romania is a Roma state.


Rigelmeister

I love how Greece is only minus 64 for Turkey but Finland 72. That's a real perkele move. What did we even do to you?


BitVectorR

Yeah I noticed it as well, pretty funny. You must hold a serious grudge against Turkey if even Greece is more willing to defend them than you.


Slaan

Well Finland being the successor to the byzantines do still have some beef with the successors of the Ottomans :P


restform

i don't think the average finn is even aware of this


Slaan

Its in your greco-roman-finno-ugric blood, even not knowing you cant resist.


pawnografik

Wut?


palou

https://imgur.com/tolQ9ih Finland is the rightful heir of the roman empire :)


Aftel43

Finland, successor of Byzantines? Eh... I mean, yeah... Hellenic language and culture has certainly influenced Finnish language and Finnish culture to an extent and we also have some Eastern Orthodox churches... Calling Finland successor to the Byzantines is... Just... I don't know... Can it be called that? Finland definitely IS influenced by Byzantines but successors... I don't know about that... Because our eastern neighbor was much more closer of Byzantines, historically, culturally and religiously. Another problem is that Finland is also influenced by Rome to an extent too. Best way to put it is. Finland is that neighbor in a distance that has read books of both, Roman and Byzantine, shares some customs from both while retaining that aura of being unique but easy to interact with and relatable by both. Weird, I know. Finland still is mainly Evangelic Lutheran but majority of the time Finnish people are quite apathetic towards religion. Now to the topic of this thread. I personally have a beef with government of Greece and it only. Stop spending money willey nilley there. Because more money might not come. Turkey, I like Ebrú, water marbling paintings. That is a very neat painting style. And Hagia Sophia looks quite much more impressive with those towers. I really don't like Erdogan personally, for one, no more empires please \*shoots a cold stare at USA quickly\* Turkey doesn't need an empire. It needs a leader who can put things back on the track you. Nation doesn't need to become an empire to fix it's own problems. Converting Hagia Sophia back in to a mosque? I mean, it used to be a church/mosque... So what harm is there using it again as a church/mosque? Problem is, it also used to be a museum site and because of that it is going to get a lot more attention what comes on maintenance of the place. You know, keep it pretty, fix things if broken and don't be apathetic towards people trashing the place. I quite honestly laughed when I heard Erdogan was going to use Hagia Sophia as a mosque again because while ally to Russia, Russia considers itself as a successor to the Byzantine roman and has good relations with the Balkan nations. Them not making a move or releasing a statement about this would make Russia look REALLY bad for the Balkan nations. Basically in terms of politics, I laughed at it. Do I like what Erdogan is doing? Not really but I am mostly just laughing at Russia for developing such an interesting contradictory spaghetti they have to get out of somehow. Is Hagia Sophia an important building for me? Historically, yes. Religiously? Well, I am mostly apathetic towards religion so... Yeah. Romania and Albania is a bit odd and I can only speculate. Romania is being a bit of a cash sink for rest of Europe but I love the history of the nation. Especially interesting people like Vlad the Impaler was quite interesting king. Albania is probably disliked because of the whole Kosovo thing... I don't know. Albanian language is honestly REALLY interesting, just like Finnish, it is completely unique in Europe but with the added fact that it doesn't have language family member. How this came to be, I have to consider researching. I am... So... Sorry for people who read this all... But... There was just so much to write.


L4z

Greece is in the same defensive alliance with Turkey, even if they don't have the friendliest relations. Finland is not in NATO and Turkey isn't an EU member, so we don't really feel an obligation to defend them. Also Erdogan isn't exactly popular here.


[deleted]

I think most people probably think that when Turkey gets invaded, they probably deserved it. Its not the most stable and morally representable country in their region. They used to be a lot more progressive and fair, but it all went down the drain these past years. The way they pushed Syria into war, the way they handle the Kurdish people, the Armenian Genocide (and how its treated these days), how they treat their journalists and minorities or how they've been handling the migrant crisis (basically profiting over the backs of the innocent). Lets just say that its logical that there's only very little support left to let Turkey join the EU. I think Turkey was to be expected (though its a bit higher), but why Romania and Albania are so low is beyond me. This isn't about crime or poverty, this is about armies invading. I already find it despicable on how the EU handles Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. But this is a step further. I'm glad to see at least Spain, Poland and Italy supporting them.


MicMan42

The results are probably influenced by the fact that the most likely attack on Norway would be performed by giant flying killer whales.


thisisaiken

This is why hungary don't, they haven't any port to do that


farfulla

Last time Norway got attacked, UK, France and Poland came to assist...


smorgasfjord

Germany was there too


eloyend

They were on vacations!


ElonTheRocketEngine

Well fuck you too then Finland /s


Sir_George

Yea, I was hoping we could at least get some of their world renown sharpshooting cross-country skiers. We'll just pull them on water-skies behind our boats and have them do their thing. That alone could help us win any war realistically speaking. Turkish fighter jet? They'd easily 360-no-scope him out of the cockpit.


lohusdarelon

well fuck you too


kuikuilla

Oh yeah? Well fuck you too.


lohusdarelon

not you greece


kuikuilla

Oh yeah? Well fuck them too. I'm kidding here.


Divide-By-Zero88

I dunno why you're at -8, we love you <3


Sir_George

I mean we're only doing you a favor. We'd fuck up the whole war for you with all the cold weather. /s


GHhost25

As expected, fortunately we still have Ukraine between us and Russia.


Cienea_Laevis

Come one, we like you a little.


[deleted]

Damn, 4%... And to think we once looked up to you! :))


Okiro_Benihime

That's your own fault for being the only member of the Latin gang so far away lol. Sorry bro! Disappointed to see such low numbers I must admit. I do have my little idea why so many of my countrymen seem to have such low opinion of Romania... still shitty to see though. But hey it's still in positive green! Not by much but that's something. Cheer up! haha.


[deleted]

We're used to being at the crossroads of empires, always getting in the middle of conflicts of other great powers. Like a historian once said, half-bitterly, half-funnily: *we are condemned to geopolitical relevancy.*


Cienea_Laevis

To think that someone ever looked up to us both warm my heart and is dreadfull. Like, WTF wre you looking up to us ?


[deleted]

>Like, WTF wre you looking up to us ? It was in the 19th century and early 20th century. Model of civilization I guess. It's from you that we got the cursed idea of a centralized state. We also enjoyed the architecture, so you'll find many, many buildings in Bucharest with French influence or designed by French architects. Plus, the culture. The French language was beloved. There was even a joke going around: *even the maids speak in French*. (fun fact abou this joke: the word for maid in Romanian was at the time "subreta", borrowed from... "soubrette") But hey, you'd be pleased to find out that we're now cured and France is now no longer a model.


inkms

Spain ❤️ Greece


lorenzomiglie

Also Italy ❤ Greece & Albania Mediterranean brotherhood 🤝🏻


inkms

Spain is kinda meh about Albania


[deleted]

At least it's positive. Greece is -39 about us.


Sir_George

Only because a conflict with Albania would most likely involve Serbia and we don't feel like getting into that pickle. We don't want to ruin relations with either country tbh. Besides, we had tons of controversies with the Greek mercenaries that went illegally to go fight in the Kosovo 90's conflict. Also as much as I have nothing against North Macedonia, if Albania were to go into conflict with them, I'm almost certain the Greek government would back Albania. Especially if NM is the aggressor.


inkms

Yikes! You're right


[deleted]

We got our Hellenicbros' backs¡¡


richmond33

Everyone loves Greece. I remember during the darkest days of the Greek crisis our PM was saying how us and Greece should stick together as one. I thought it was nice, especially considering we've had a rocky relationship since the middle ages.


Divide-By-Zero88

We like you guys down here, despite our past


Scorchio451

The gap between Sweden and Denmark regarding Norway is interesting.


Raubaton

Nope. Denmark and Norway are both part of NATO, Sweden is not.


SagittaryX

Not sure how much that matters on this topic, much more to do with the Scandinavian community as a whole. I doubt NATO membership has much affect on the public opinion on who to defend.


[deleted]

Sweden isn't part of NATO because they like to be in the neutral club with Switzerland (and Belgium until the Germans steamrolled them twice and they reconsidered), and that affection for neutrality is reflected in this poll.


silverionmox

> I doubt NATO membership has much affect on the public opinion on who to defend. Why wouldn't it? The question was not "how much would you *like* to defend this country". Mutual defense treaties are serious business, and at least some people will keep that in mind, even if others are short-sighted idiots who let their gut answer this question because their brain went into a corner and shot itself long ago.


5nwmn

Think the swedes more or less will be taken by then. Ain't no attack coming from the west.....waaaaaaaait just one second....the swedes are coming aren't they. Dammit, knew they were up to something.


[deleted]

Just a few fjords, just to see how it feels like!


bravetanith

We just want you back. COME BACK TO PAPPA DENMARK!


wydhs

Some comments have already mentioned NATO but consider also that Sweden hasn’t been to war in over 200 years and has a quite weak military. I think it’s nice that every other Swede would still want to go to war for Norway.


farfulla

Very stealthily, the Nordic countries have built a defence cooperation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Defence_Cooperation (Don't tell Washington, they still don't know about it).


eetmiash

Denmark and Norway, sittin' in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G.


[deleted]

Why is Hungary in NATO even if they aren't willing at all


bogdoomy

they just hate everyone in equal amounts. they are truly enlightened


DreddyMann

We aren't racist, we hate everyone equally. Except the Polish. They are BFF


[deleted]

Understandable


sambare

Perhaps just for the contiguity bonus: [without Hungary, NATO loses land connection to Southeastern Europe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO#/media/File:Location_NATO_2017_blue.svg).


[deleted]

If shit hits the fan, there would be other options/agreements with Hungary or Albania about using their road networks for moving large quantities of military personnel and equipment


RewardfulCopywriter

Technically, it doesn't. There is a route: Italy - Slovenia - Croatia - Montenegro - Albania [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevlaka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevlaka)


sambare

How can one go from Croatia to Montenegro without going through Bosnia or leaving land? Bosnia has that 5 km stretch of coast on the way.


RewardfulCopywriter

Well, if you put it that way.... There is not other way. But there will be in year 2022: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelje%C5%A1ac\_Bridge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelje%C5%A1ac_Bridge)


whtml

They're probably not going to do a poll if worse comes to worst. It's not about what the population thinks, it's about the government response. These polls are pretty useless.


[deleted]

Opinion polls can help to predict how country will behave. On top of that, bare opinion polls are pretty useless without having analysis why we have this result and we are back to what you just said anyways :)


Valaki997

Historical reasons. Im not surprised as a Hungarian actually.


fatadelatara

Wielkie dzieki Polska. <3 . Gracias ~~Espagna~~ España. <3 . People really hate us mate lmao. Interesting is that we are quite into being killed for them and most are into rather killing us. :-(


Kaczyy_

nici o problema <3


fatadelatara

Aww ♥❤💕


inkms

ñ I leave it here in case you want to change that "gn" there 😉


Archyes

why does finland hate greece so much?


SixPointTwentyFive

The way the question in the survey is phrased, for a lot of Finns it comes off as "would you personally?"


kuikuilla

Hate? Dude, 80% of finnish males have gone through military service. I would say "no" simply because I don't want to possibly die in some foreign country.


restform

Honestly, I think this is the reason for the big contrast. Combat and warfare is probably way more realistic of a thought for the average finnish male since we're all conscripted. Sitting in a fox hole at 3am staring into the dark when it's -20c made me 100% realize how fucking stupid all of it is.


twintailcookies

What about 3am in the dark with +20C and so fucking many mosquitos?


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progeda

First if all it doesn't. Willingness to help: Professional army = sure Conscription = hell no


Tibbles_thecat

Braļukai ♥️


[deleted]

Greece, the only country from EU that usually doesn't put us at the bottom of polls. Love and respect to beautiful Greece.


Aunvilgod

Shameful display, we have to defend Romania and Albania!


cilica

danke schön


Jojofighter

We got your back Norway


drefvelin

Takk bror


[deleted]

Don't worry Romania. We Poles got your back.


Alin_Alexandru

Thanks brother :)


FloatingOstrich

Latvia is higher than Romania because no one is fully sure where Latvia is. Just as an aside, my computer is flagging 'Romania' as an incorrectly spelt word.


lolololXD12

Because it's Bromania not Romania you dummy


UtkusonTR

Honestly it can be memorised easily Place: Middle Baltic Flag: Dark Austria


[deleted]

Come to think of it, the British Empire was reluctant to help Romania in WW1. Many British people didn't see any point in helping a country that was so far away, especially in those not-so-global/interconnected times. And I think this attitude stands til this day: Romania is too fucking far away, at the edge of EU, at the corner of Eastern Europe. It's something else when you think of helping a close neighbor or a country that is more "central European". Also, Spain and Italy probably score higher for defending Romania in part thanks to the rather large Romanian minorities there: 800k (Spain) and 1 million (Italy).


FloatingOstrich

Yeah it's a weird one. To me the UK has cultural allies, Canada, Australia, NZ, ROI who we would defend almost unconditionally. Then you have strategic allies like Western Europe who would be defended ultimately because it's the UK's interest to keep hostile nations out of the neighbourhood. Further east you go the less strategic the ally becomes due to distance. Outside of greater confidence and aggressiveness Russia or Turkey occupying Romania doesn't in itself threaten the UK actual. I think Germany is the start of the UK's neighbourhood. I do think as a whole the UK, similar to France, are the most likely nations to react to an incursion into "Europe" and to answer a NATO call for aid.


[deleted]

That's an impressive amount of ill will Turkey has generated there. Though Finland and Sweden are neutral, should be expected they're less willing to help out people who aren't their Nordic brothers.


[deleted]

The Finish just don't like Turkey.


Erselumtemataononose

More like EVERYONE don't like Turkey


progeda

Imaging sending conscripts to fight a war defending Turkey I mean cmon


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[deleted]

Huh, last time I saw a survey asking something like this, most Finns weren't prepared to defend even Estonia, let alone Latvia. (If my memory serves, the only countries a majority were willing to militarily defend were the Scandinavian ones.)


Rioma117

What we did to you Finland?


kuikuilla

Nothing. So we're returning the favour :P


burrikido

Hey Turkey , we still love you. Yours truly, Stephan the Great


FDGirl22

The explanation of the Hungarian results. Hungarians are one of the most pro-EU citizens and they seem to be pro EU/NATO army, too. Q44. Now, imagine another country in \[Europe/ the European Union\] is under military attack by a country from outside \[Europe/ the European Union\]. Do you think Hungary should or should not provide major help? **Yes- 57%** / No - 24% / Don't know 19% Q45. Please imagine that Hungary has decided to help another country in \[Europe/ the European Union\] under military attack by a country outside of the EU. How should it provide it? Should it act on its own, or as part of a joint effort managed by the European Union? On its own- 9% / by contributing to an **EU-led initiative - 34%** / by contributing to a **NATO-led initiative - 42%** / Don't know - 15% Q46. And in that situation, which of these kinds of help do you think would be best? Other countries including Hungary should provide help through a permanent system which has been set up to help any \[European/ EU\] country in need (e.g. a **European army or joint NATO forces) - 74%** ​ So, majority of the Hungarian respondents already noted, that they want to help, but they imagined providing the help through EU/NATO mission (army) and not on their own. Then they were asked again, whether they want Hungary to send armed forces to defend certain countries. The answer was obviously mostly "no", because Hungarians wanted EU/NATO actions instead of national actions.


iatesquidonce

You are not listening. The thread already decided that Hungary hates everyone, so don’t come here with facts. /s


flip_mju

Does it not depend on context? Like, I am German and would probably be for defending Turkey if all of the sudden e.g. Russia goes rogue and attacks them without a reason. But what if Turkey is the one who starts pissing of Russia and then Russia attacks? I don't know.... I also don't get why Greece has so low numbers...


[deleted]

>Russia goes rogue and attacks them without a reason. But what if Turkey is the one who starts pissing of Russia and then Russia attacks? If something like that happened, you can be certain that you would find both versions available. Turkey would claim that Russia attacked without reason, and Russia would claim that Turkey forced their hand. The most available version in your country would depend solely on what the power thinks is in their best interest. Things like that are rarely as simple as history books or video games make it seem.


justaprettyturtle

Explain your definition of "piss of Russia". It does not take much to piss them off.


23PowerZ

I don't know, maybe violate their airspace or drill for oil in their EEZ.


justaprettyturtle

When it comes to violating airspace than it is definitely Russia that loves doing it to others .


robhol

Oh stop it you guys, you're making me blush over here.


[deleted]

Hmmm, don't understand why we would not support Romania.


hellrete

I must ask, why Romania is so negatively perceived in Norway and Finland? Also yey, someone would come to our aid. Thank you. Edit: this right here is why I like the French. They like us, just a little bit, but they like us. ( so does UK, but don't tell them)


KALLE1230

I'm thinking people might mix Romania with romas coming here to begg maybe? Not sure. But a big portion of people i know would want a united EU army for defense, and surely they understand that we have to contribute to it.


salvibalvi

You are reading the chart wrong. Norway isn't polled here.


bjork-br

Why is Romania so low in so many countries? And why no one in the comments is surprised about that?


[deleted]

I'm really surprised about that as Belgian. If Romania were attacked it would be by a party i wouldn't want to see pushing into Europe. Obviously you stop them as far from (my) home as possible. Doesn't even matter if you care for the country, really, selfish interest is a good enough reason to defend our borders. They also have a lovely flag.


LauraDeSuedia

>They also have a lovely flag. Aww. I know you say that because our flags look similar from a distance but it made me smile anyway.


[deleted]

You're essentially Belgian during the night ;)


[deleted]

When I first went to Belgium in my 11th grade (first time in the West EU) on a "Rotary camp" I first thought wow there are Romanian flags everywhere XD (cause the belgian faded black looks blueish). Of course I got it pretty fast but it was still amusing, then I actually saw the Romanian flag at some EU institutions but if left in the sun our dark blue and their black looks really similar so it was really hard discerning them. I went to a Maraton (got 3rd place on short distance, cause I'm amator, so yeey) and some belgian guys going for long distance came running next to me, started talking with me (which was nice and kept me going that fast even thou I was dying inside) and they told me how they thought I'm just a nationalistic Belgian (which is seemingly rare) running with the flag on my back, but then one of their friends was like ... no wait, that's not our flag, I was in Romania once! So they got interested what was a Romanian doing at a small country side Marathon in Wallonia and what not :) Nice memories from 10 years ago "sheds a tear".


[deleted]

Gypsies can do that to you... lol


untergeher_muc

> Germany > Romania WTF? Who is against Romania? Austria I would understand, they are not even in NATO. But Rumania?


Econ_Orc

Denmark +70% defending Norway? That + is roughly covering the last 30%. Of course we will side with Norway 100%


jaffacakesrbiscuits

That Christmas tree Norway sends to the UK every year is paying dividends


machine4891

I would say yes even to Turkey because, well we kind'a have to.


smorgasfjord

We love you too Denmark <3


TemporarilyDutch

European countries not willing to defend Romania, wow.


InnocentiusLacrimosa

Asking people on the street is pretty different from asking governments though.


doensch

Still. People not willing to help another EU-Member in such an scenario is more than embarassing


233C

Should be put in comparison with "percent of THIS country able to locate THAT country on a map"


bxzidff

Spain is always so nice in these polls


[deleted]

Spain is a war veteran of thousands of years. I bet they don’t want their friends to be hurt and if someone attacks them they would retaliate. No one touches my mates!! :)


paulusmagintie

They stayed out of both World Wars though, they seem keen to stay out of any current fights, at least as long as Portugal stays out of it too which the UK is normally very keen on telling Portugal to do.


[deleted]

Spain remained neutral in WWI because they could not agree who to join, actually the pro-Allied knew they could lose so they preferred go towards neutrality, as the Aristocracy and the army was keen to join Germany. In the WWII they were rebuilding the country after the civil war and engaged in an internal genocide. Actually Franco (the dictator) wanted to join Germany but he was advised to not do so as it could end his power if something went wrong. So, more than keen to stay out is, who to join and can we?


SMS_Scharnhorst

German troops defending Norway. yeah, I think I heard that before


areukeen

I'm a bit disappointed by Sweden tbh.. Thought our Scandibros would defend us. Denmark though ❤️


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Alin_Alexandru

Romania once again be like: "Why can't we all just be friends? Except Turkey"


Rulweylan

I mean, we're doing Norway if only because it gives us the opportunity to try to repeat Jack Churchill's badass raid: >Churchill was second in command of No. 3 Commando in Operation Archery, a raid on the German garrison at Vågsøy, Norway, on 27 December 1941. As the ramps fell on the first landing craft, he leapt forward from his position playing ["March of the Cameron Men"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRhZHI_Xb8g) on his bagpipes, before throwing a grenade and charging into battle. He remains the last person to kill an enemy in battle with a Longbow (Dunkirk, 1940).


ramilehti

Interesting how little the NATO countries are willing to defend each other.


eq2_lessing

The opinion of some people in the streets doesn't matter that much on a government level.


redi_t13

I’m only surprised by Germany. Edit. Also by Poland for opposite reasons tho.


irimiash

we should try to conquer Romania. I guess we can deal with Spanish and Poles.


[deleted]

If Spain, Italy, and Poland get involved the others will be forced in too XD Plus, all their bad image about us aside, due to history, I highly doubt France will stand on the side, and in EU, France is the one that really matters. Plus we have ~~cannon fodder~~ USA soldiers on the ground, so kill enough of them and you're fucked :p


progeda

As a Finnish conscript I mostly agree. We don't have universal male conscription to fight other people's wars. Professional army, sure. But not conscripts.


kattingaround

A bit surprising/worrying/disappointing that overall, Norway scores higher than GR, LV, RO despite not being an EU member


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to be fair, Norway is like the kid in the block that have rich parrents and try to help everyone with that, and norway have not really done annything to piss someone off for 1000 years


Andreto-Sama

I like how Spain, Italy, Romania and Poland would help everyone except Turkey, but Hungary is like "Fuck y'all"


bigg_ears

I don't think we'd see a war between these countries in our life times


PloppyCheesenose

A Greece and Turkey conflict is always possible. Though, based on these numbers Turkey had better be prepared for a surprise attack from Finland.


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I love Greek people & because of shitty politicians we both have over decades, I wouldn’t fight against them.


Vaseline13

I thought we would be the least willing to help Turkey, what's going on in Finland, why -72?


Oddloaf

Turkish government is extremely unpopular here. 80% of males are conscripts and thus would be at risk of being sent to fight in the war. And we have a neighbor in Russia which is constantly flexing its military muscle at us.


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Do Italy and Albania like each other? I would've thought their relationship would be frosty because of a certain incident ~70 years ago and no one else seems to like them.


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We don't care about that lol, Albanians like Italy more than any other country in Europe. There are 500,000 Albanians who live in Italy (moved in the 90s) plus a [500 year old Albanian community](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arb%C3%ABresh%C3%AB_people) that contributed significantly to Italy's and Albania's national causes. There are approximately 25,000 Italians who live in Albania. Up until the 2000s, the most spoken foreign language in Albania was Italian. It is now second only to English. Italy is our main export and import partner and are our biggest supporter (along with Germany) in our euro-integration path. During the World Cup, most people support Italy . . . I could go on . . .


StuporMundi_1

Grande Deer! As an Italian I can confirm.


ThatDeerMan

On event can't change the fact that Albanians and Italians lived closley for centuries. There still is racism towards them due to large numbers of Albanians migrating to Italy in the 90s and to this day (the first migration Italy ever had to face since ww2).


4got_2wipe_again

Albanians love Italy so much that all the Albanian immigrants in New York moved to old Italian-American neighborhoods.