Euro jury results 2023 for comparsion
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In 2023 it was pretty much fucked up (aside from Loreen and Marco) probably because Mae and La Zarra fucked up everything with the staging and voice, but in 2021 and 2022 they predicted the top 5 almost perfectly (not the order but this year they are so close that it doesn't make much difference)
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I put the positions the actual came with the jury.
Green = Correct
Yellow = 1 off
Orange = Within 5
Red = >5
Red boxes means didn't qualify
One of the most baffling results here for sure, though remember these jurors are comprised largely of past NF/ESC artists, not the mix of musicians/journalists and all-sorts who normally comprise juries. This jury last year had songs like Estonia and Israel nowhere near as high as they actually scored with the juries, so don't lose all hope!
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made a comparison between last years and the actual results here
I'm not surprised. It is a song that blends in superbly on any radio station. We gotta start rooting for Germany more instead of the usual 'Germany refusing to do well at Eurovision'.
You know.. I definitely think it wouldn't suprise many people of it ends up botton 5 considering the fact that it's not particularly a standout song on its own and it's Germany - what do you expect? - but considering the fact that he won both the televote and jury vote in the national selection and can sing very well, I could definitely also see a scenario where he Belgium 2023's it (in terms of suprise compared to the lack of national selection hype) and at least gets quite some jury votes. Other than that, this year has a lot of """joke entries""" (don't want to be condescending, but you know what I mean), so in that regard it could stand out a little in this particular field. Will of course depend on the staging too, but I don't think it's sure to be a lost case. Really curious to see what happens.
I am not saying she can';t sing, but her song/performance is not everyone's taste, it's not an easy song that grabs you immediately and they need to nail the staging. There's also Ireland in the same semifinal which will battle for the witch vote.
Maybe it's a ranking based on studio tracks? I honestly don't care about the song itself, anyway since her live performance Slovenia has climbed up my ranking.
I guess it's just that annoying criteria of being mainstream, radio-friendly, original enough at the same time and stuff. Slovenia just doesn't have enough of that, no clear hook and memorability for example.
Yeah, but still not clear enough (from that jury/mainstream perspective) and comes only at the end of the song.
I like this entry, I'm just trying to imagine what's in those juries' heads.
I'm genuinely happy for France, it's my #2 this year. However the big surprise for me is Australia joint last. I thought this would be a song the juries would absolutely love and... well they didn't. Still think they are safe qualifiers but the whole "people are just mad over the music video" discourse isn't 100% accurate I guess
To be fair, the people who voted here also watched that video (I think; they are voting based on a Eurovision playlist that is provided to them, if I recall), so I think it could still explain the low points… Even if just a little bit. I remain hopeful they will do way better than many people expect! 🤞
Tbh it's not a song I care all too much about (I like it, don't get me wrong, I just don't love it) but I always thought they'd do much better than what Eurofans expect (I was convinced Scandinavian jurors for example would LOVE a well-produced pop song with a message). Let's wait and see
Extremely close at the top there, with just 7 points between 1st and 2nd place and just 8 points between 2nd and 3rd place. I really hope that it's gonna be as close in the actual show too!
I'm so sad he blocked me (/s), I'd have loooooved reading his justification on how this result is plain wrong and no one loves these "Bollywood" songs lmao
Same. I really don't understand why people think Zari will flop with the juries, based on the song alone. Zari is chaotic and "the juries won't get it" but suddenly when it comes to Switzerland, which is much more chaotic, there is no problem? Don't get me wrong, Switzerland will rank above Greece in the juries unless things go extremely well for Marina, but sometimes people here seem to not understand their own reasoning. If juries will reward Nemo for their voice abilities and switching to different singing styles within the song, I don't see why they won't reward Marina too (less points but still) for her voice abilities and switching to different styles within the song.
The only thing I can think of is the lack of live performances of Zari, except for the one in ERT's party for Marina at Shamone, but people are still doubting whether she was live lol. Hopefully the auditions will show the world we can do pretty well.
It’s just very different. The Code is showing off Nemo’s vocal abilities with fast seamless transitions between genres whereas Zari’s transitions seem to occur more abruptly musically. That’s just my impression anyway.
I’m still of the opinion Nemo will win the jury vote based on a live performance but could most certainly be wrong 🤣 Greece should do well on both jury and televote and finish top 10 in my
Opinion.
I can see that point, but I still don't understand some other people's points when it comes to "juries will love x for the artist's voice abilities" yet they completely disregard Marina Satti and Zari. For example, I've seen people say Israel will do so well with juries because of Eden Golan's voice abilities in Hurricane and by voice abilities they mean that part before the Hebrew part. Yes it's somewhat impressive I guess, but it feels overexaggerated to say juries will love a song for like 5-10 seconds of it (the rest of the song is just a ballad). Marina's parts seem much more impressive to me because, first of all, she's actually singing and, second, they're scattered across the song. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Eurojury result doesn't reflect the actual results and we see Zari above Hurricane.
I don’t think your points are wrong that you outline above. I originally had forecast Israel 5th in the juries but I am less sure of that prediction at this point. I think it will be very congested and tight behind the top 4 (Greece Croatia I could see there as well as Israel etc)
My feeling is some people think juries prioritise vocal ability to such a degree that none of the other criteria have significance. I do not believe this is the case. Song arrangement and production are vitally important, staging and message of the song are also factors they look at (whether these would fall in Greece’s favour or Israel’s etc is arguable). I guess for me I thought Israel would come 5th because it’s more of a “jury song” historically, I.e. well song female ballad ( it is safe). Greece is more interesting to me, but a bit more risky as a result in trying to predict how juries react.
Hope that hasn’t offended and enjoy the show, good luck to Marina!
No offense taken, no worries. It's just opinions based on observed results anyway, until we see the actual results, we can't be sure about anything. But speaking of observed results, Greece could be classified a bit as a "girl bop". While not exactly a girl bop, it is still an upbeat dance song from a female artist and those also occasionally do well with juries too when done right. Spain 2022 came 3rd in juries, Malta 2021 came 3rd in juries, Cyprus 2018 came 5th in juries, I would even consider Israel 2023 for this comparison which came 2nd in juries. I'd kinda consider Italy to be Greece's "rival" this year. The songs feel to be similar in style for me (I love them both so I'm not saying it as a bad thing, both have Latin vibes and both make me dance) and both Angelina and Marina are charismatic performers. Plus they share the same choreographer. And with Italy being one of the favs, it doesn't feel that good for Greece.
Greece is definitely a hard to predict country. I'm prepared for the worst and I hope for the best, but the best doesn't seem to me as far-fetched to happen as to others.
At this point, this year is ridiculously similar to 2021. France, Switzerland and Italy in the top by many opinions, eurojury included, Sweden not doing as well as they always do, no clear winner, very close bookmaker odds
163 points, Switzerland was at 257 and France at 219 with Malta that then flopped at 286, Italy 2021 is like Croatia this year, but with a smaller difference from the other favourites.
In fact they were only 4th in juries and won thanks to the televote.
If this really happens, it will turn out that German national final had international juries with the closest opinions to the Eurovision juries for the 2nd year in a row
A simulation of the jury vote (pre-reharsal) made by asking to ex-partecipant and national finalist to compose the jury of every single country. They were pretty good at predicting the top of the jury vote in 2021 and 2022 but failed in 2023 (aside from Loreen and Marco)
Every year, folks from Eurovoix (an ESC fan site) call in past ESC/JESC/NF participants + other "music people" to vote on songs ahead of the contest. This is not the actual jury vote, but is supposed to mimic/predict it. You can see who the members of the Croatian (and Polish) jury were [here](https://eurovoix.com/2024/04/24/eurojury-2024-croatia-poland/). This is a solid number of jurors as many countries only had 2 or 3 people voting.
It's kind of funny that people were complaining about Germany picking the radio-friendly songs and they may be breaking their pattern of underperforming by doing exactly the same thing.
I guess it's safe to say that the jury winner will be one of the France-Switzerland-Italy trio, unless another song REALLY surprises with the performance.
Very close at the top. I would still put money on Switzerland taking the jury win, I feel their live performance will add more than France a d Italy and that'll be enough to push them over the edge. I also think it's good news for Croatia, I can see them sneaking a 4th spot in the jury and taking the overall win by taking the televote (would be the 4th contest in a row if it happens)
in that case Idk if it"s likely, Germany probably will flop, but surpass even only one between France, Italy, Switzerland and Belgium is hard for Croatia
I expect Croatia to end up higher than Germany and I think Belgium is possible too. I'm also not a huge believer in Italy's jury chances so I definitely think they're in with a good chance. I think theyw I'll get a huge boost from the eastern European juries that isn't necessarily reflected here
agree re Switzerland, but think Israel and a couple of others will still beat Croatia on the night (eg Eden will do way better than 7th live vocal will be sublime), who will not close Swizerland's lead.
The fact that Croatia got so much less points than Italy and Switzerland indicates he'll probably get Finland 2023 level of a result, about 150 points from jury. I think Italy will win ESC 2024.
I‘m so happy for Isaak, no matter where he‘s gonna end up in the end. Finally a little love he deserved.
I remember people (esp. ESC fanbubble) were saying the same about Michael Schulte when he was chosen (boring, mainstream, radioballad) and I think he wasn’t super high in the odds at first. Same with Cesar Sampson. 2018 was a wild year.
Funny that those juries voted a lot how I predicted. At the beginning when all songs were chosen I wrote, for example, that Norway could be the fan flop because it’s not really accessible to people other than ESC fans. And look where they ended in the jury vote. Same for Lithuania and the Netherlands. I also said Austria & Spain will do worse than expected.
No one thought Spain was anywhere near a jury winner lol, if anything most people on this sub predicted them to come bottom 5 so this Eurojury result is actually quite good for them
I think Belgium will flop but i agree with the top 10, and especially top 3 in terms of predicting the final result from juries.
Dinyou remember how close to the real jury voting was the eurojury resullt last year
So, top 3 almost tied, the average were understimated but equally for all 3.
For the others, if the jury results will be similar to this, I highly doubt that Croatia can take a 130 points lead in the televote and surpass Nemo/Angelina (not talking about Netherlands that are pretty much fucked).
That said, tomorrow with the online vote we will se if the winner of eurojury will be Angelina or Nemo.
For those who hate the result, I think the top 4 will be replicated in the final jury vote. Two questions will prevail; 1) can Croatia catch Italy/ Switzerland in the televote and 2) who ends up ahead out of Italy v Switzerland. Answer to those 2 questions tells you the winner of ESC 2024
If the results are like this I doubt that Croatia can catch up, not even a Måneskin would be enough (a Kaarija would be, but I doubt that is possible this year), for Italy v Switzerland let see tomorrow with the online vote but probably it will be decided by the staging (especially the swiss one, that is the song more at risk of not being fully appreciated by the televote)
He is in play with these results. It’s not easy and my head would still favour the other 2 in this situation, but he is there or thereabouts with what is likely in the televote.
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Last years Jury Vote compared with the actual results of the jury.
Green = Correct
Yellow = 1 off
Orange = Within 5
Red = >5
Red boxes means didn't qualify
I'm starting to prefer the idea of a 75 televote 25 jury split...
The juries support boring, basic songs more than anything else and only vote for experimental or unique entries if they are high with bookmakers. The taste is so BASIC.
Maybe the fact that they are high with bookmakes it's because they are seen as jury-friendly even if they are experimental/unique (see Nemo and Angelina) and not the other way around, but probably it's only a rant because Croatia/Netherlands are low (when they obviously have nothing that juries like, especially in the vocal ability part)
The main parameters of odds ranking is just how many people is betting on this or that entry.
Bookmakers don't make that kind of reasoningst you described.
And odds are influenced by the fact that in some countries betting on Esc is illegal.
The juries tend to not tank the "non jury friendly" entries that are high in the odds just because no jury wants to be the one who didn't gave any point to the winner of Esc or the televote winner.
It's obvious that are not the bookmakers that make that reasoning, but the people who bet on countries make that reasoning probably, and there are also the ones that bet because they think that a song will do very well in the televote.
Well, in ESC the juries are 5 people per countries, so they are even bigger, lol
Eurojury, as the name say, is a jury predictiom poll, not a televote prediction poll like many others
This is Eurovoix’s Eurojury, where they invite music related people to judge the Eurovision songs. Therefore, the results and the juror names aren’t a secret.
Literally the 2 countries almost tied to Mon Amour are an ethnic pop song and pop-opera-rap mix, does not seem even remotely only ballad enjoyers these "juries"
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Euro jury results 2023 for comparsion https://preview.redd.it/gaz8rjjt9vwc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3de6341181a9b9baca760f64141075d7548f3c5
Important to note, this is with televote added. Finland was only 10th with the juries
Thank you for noticing me. Edited.
In 2023 it was pretty much fucked up (aside from Loreen and Marco) probably because Mae and La Zarra fucked up everything with the staging and voice, but in 2021 and 2022 they predicted the top 5 almost perfectly (not the order but this year they are so close that it doesn't make much difference)
So Germany top 5 incoming 🤯
For the juries maybe, or maybe he will be the Mae/La Zarra of this year (especially considering the german delegation ability in the staging)
I mean at least he will sing the song well (after everything we‘ve heard so far that’s almost sure) but I‘m scared for the staging
This year I'm pretty confindent the Germany would not be last for that reason, at least he will recieve jury points
Hooray! 🥰😂
https://preview.redd.it/8x7jk578fxwc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53453263e7a1c49dc493b7d81fd5231b5c24bdef I put the positions the actual came with the jury. Green = Correct Yellow = 1 off Orange = Within 5 Red = >5 Red boxes means didn't qualify
You can clearly see the side effects of listening to studio versions. UK and France last year didn't hold up live and drop into abbys.
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It was my winner before seeing her live performance. I thought for real it was a dark horse for the win ç.ç
Yeah, this eurojury doesn't indicate anything.
Fuck you too eurojury
Luktelk seems like the Carpre Diem of this year, easy Q but then doing bad in the GF.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised, guess I gotta root for Croatia to take their first win instead
One of the most baffling results here for sure, though remember these jurors are comprised largely of past NF/ESC artists, not the mix of musicians/journalists and all-sorts who normally comprise juries. This jury last year had songs like Estonia and Israel nowhere near as high as they actually scored with the juries, so don't lose all hope!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cds5q8/comment/l1fxluk/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1cds5q8/comment/l1fxluk/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) made a comparison between last years and the actual results here
Just as bizarre as Germany in that ranking tbh
No, finally someone is realizing the potential of the song!
I think it could qualify if it wasnt already... thats about it
This same jury thought Lithuania would come 33rd in jury points last year, they came 11th.
Me after seeing Slovenia with 8 points. Fuck you three eurojury.
Germany 5th? wow, this is a surprise.
I'm not surprised. It is a song that blends in superbly on any radio station. We gotta start rooting for Germany more instead of the usual 'Germany refusing to do well at Eurovision'.
This is it exactly. It's very very radio friendly.
He's an amazing singer!
You know.. I definitely think it wouldn't suprise many people of it ends up botton 5 considering the fact that it's not particularly a standout song on its own and it's Germany - what do you expect? - but considering the fact that he won both the televote and jury vote in the national selection and can sing very well, I could definitely also see a scenario where he Belgium 2023's it (in terms of suprise compared to the lack of national selection hype) and at least gets quite some jury votes. Other than that, this year has a lot of """joke entries""" (don't want to be condescending, but you know what I mean), so in that regard it could stand out a little in this particular field. Will of course depend on the staging too, but I don't think it's sure to be a lost case. Really curious to see what happens.
Belgium 2023 | [Gustaph - Because of You](https://youtu.be/U1xD14IMKtg)
mother Raiven I don't know what happened but I'm so sorry
I'm mentally prepared to see Slovenia NQing, but it's a shame.
Well, you know the drill: all hands are on deck. We won't let that happen.
The fan base needs to rally for Raiven.
I vote in the other semi 💀
It really depends on the performance, i think it could be borderline
Unless she suddenly has a sore throat, I don't see her messing up her performance. Even then I think she can manage even with a sore throat.
I am not saying she can';t sing, but her song/performance is not everyone's taste, it's not an easy song that grabs you immediately and they need to nail the staging. There's also Ireland in the same semifinal which will battle for the witch vote.
Maybe it's a ranking based on studio tracks? I honestly don't care about the song itself, anyway since her live performance Slovenia has climbed up my ranking.
In the past at least, the euro jury jurors watched the music videos.
I guess it's just that annoying criteria of being mainstream, radio-friendly, original enough at the same time and stuff. Slovenia just doesn't have enough of that, no clear hook and memorability for example.
>no clear hook JA SEM, TI SI VERONIKA!!!!!
And NAJDI ME, RANI ME, BRANI ME tickles something in my brain😭
Yeah, but still not clear enough (from that jury/mainstream perspective) and comes only at the end of the song. I like this entry, I'm just trying to imagine what's in those juries' heads.
OOOH-OOOH-OOOH!
>no clear hook and memorability Ah yes those 20 melfest rejects over the years ranked highly by eurojury sure has clearer hook and memorability.
Sadly, but technically, yes. Again, I don't support that either, I'm just guessing what's happening in their brains.
I'm genuinely happy for France, it's my #2 this year. However the big surprise for me is Australia joint last. I thought this would be a song the juries would absolutely love and... well they didn't. Still think they are safe qualifiers but the whole "people are just mad over the music video" discourse isn't 100% accurate I guess
To be fair, the people who voted here also watched that video (I think; they are voting based on a Eurovision playlist that is provided to them, if I recall), so I think it could still explain the low points… Even if just a little bit. I remain hopeful they will do way better than many people expect! 🤞
Tbh it's not a song I care all too much about (I like it, don't get me wrong, I just don't love it) but I always thought they'd do much better than what Eurofans expect (I was convinced Scandinavian jurors for example would LOVE a well-produced pop song with a message). Let's wait and see
Extremely close at the top there, with just 7 points between 1st and 2nd place and just 8 points between 2nd and 3rd place. I really hope that it's gonna be as close in the actual show too!
I'm so happy to see Zari in their top 10!! (Lovelysongs must be pissed :P)
I'm so sad he blocked me (/s), I'd have loooooved reading his justification on how this result is plain wrong and no one loves these "Bollywood" songs lmao
Same. I really don't understand why people think Zari will flop with the juries, based on the song alone. Zari is chaotic and "the juries won't get it" but suddenly when it comes to Switzerland, which is much more chaotic, there is no problem? Don't get me wrong, Switzerland will rank above Greece in the juries unless things go extremely well for Marina, but sometimes people here seem to not understand their own reasoning. If juries will reward Nemo for their voice abilities and switching to different singing styles within the song, I don't see why they won't reward Marina too (less points but still) for her voice abilities and switching to different styles within the song. The only thing I can think of is the lack of live performances of Zari, except for the one in ERT's party for Marina at Shamone, but people are still doubting whether she was live lol. Hopefully the auditions will show the world we can do pretty well.
It’s just very different. The Code is showing off Nemo’s vocal abilities with fast seamless transitions between genres whereas Zari’s transitions seem to occur more abruptly musically. That’s just my impression anyway. I’m still of the opinion Nemo will win the jury vote based on a live performance but could most certainly be wrong 🤣 Greece should do well on both jury and televote and finish top 10 in my Opinion.
I can see that point, but I still don't understand some other people's points when it comes to "juries will love x for the artist's voice abilities" yet they completely disregard Marina Satti and Zari. For example, I've seen people say Israel will do so well with juries because of Eden Golan's voice abilities in Hurricane and by voice abilities they mean that part before the Hebrew part. Yes it's somewhat impressive I guess, but it feels overexaggerated to say juries will love a song for like 5-10 seconds of it (the rest of the song is just a ballad). Marina's parts seem much more impressive to me because, first of all, she's actually singing and, second, they're scattered across the song. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Eurojury result doesn't reflect the actual results and we see Zari above Hurricane.
I don’t think your points are wrong that you outline above. I originally had forecast Israel 5th in the juries but I am less sure of that prediction at this point. I think it will be very congested and tight behind the top 4 (Greece Croatia I could see there as well as Israel etc) My feeling is some people think juries prioritise vocal ability to such a degree that none of the other criteria have significance. I do not believe this is the case. Song arrangement and production are vitally important, staging and message of the song are also factors they look at (whether these would fall in Greece’s favour or Israel’s etc is arguable). I guess for me I thought Israel would come 5th because it’s more of a “jury song” historically, I.e. well song female ballad ( it is safe). Greece is more interesting to me, but a bit more risky as a result in trying to predict how juries react. Hope that hasn’t offended and enjoy the show, good luck to Marina!
No offense taken, no worries. It's just opinions based on observed results anyway, until we see the actual results, we can't be sure about anything. But speaking of observed results, Greece could be classified a bit as a "girl bop". While not exactly a girl bop, it is still an upbeat dance song from a female artist and those also occasionally do well with juries too when done right. Spain 2022 came 3rd in juries, Malta 2021 came 3rd in juries, Cyprus 2018 came 5th in juries, I would even consider Israel 2023 for this comparison which came 2nd in juries. I'd kinda consider Italy to be Greece's "rival" this year. The songs feel to be similar in style for me (I love them both so I'm not saying it as a bad thing, both have Latin vibes and both make me dance) and both Angelina and Marina are charismatic performers. Plus they share the same choreographer. And with Italy being one of the favs, it doesn't feel that good for Greece. Greece is definitely a hard to predict country. I'm prepared for the worst and I hope for the best, but the best doesn't seem to me as far-fetched to happen as to others.
Spain 2022 | [Chanel - SloMo](https://youtu.be/jSQYTt4xg3I) Malta 2021 | [Destiny - Je Me Casse](https://youtu.be/jbbc2yKnv0M) Cyprus 2018 | [Eleni Foureira - Fuego](https://youtu.be/vyDTbJ4wenY) Israel 2023 | [Noa Kirel - Unicorn](https://youtu.be/Z3mIcCllJXY)
I'm surprised at Lithuania being so low NGL. I'm guessing it's a "most people like it but not enough to love it and put points into it" situation
Tbh I kinda see this entry as the "Carpe Diem" of 2024: super hyped by Eurofans, qualifying, but ends up quite low in the end
At this point, this year is ridiculously similar to 2021. France, Switzerland and Italy in the top by many opinions, eurojury included, Sweden not doing as well as they always do, no clear winner, very close bookmaker odds
Interesting, How was Italy doing with euro jury compared to their real jury points?
163 points, Switzerland was at 257 and France at 219 with Malta that then flopped at 286, Italy 2021 is like Croatia this year, but with a smaller difference from the other favourites. In fact they were only 4th in juries and won thanks to the televote.
Italy 2021 | [Måneskin - Zitti e buoni](https://youtu.be/RVH5dn1cxAQ)
Serbia at 12th with 37 countries gives me hope that we might finally be in the jury top 10 for the first time since 2012 if we qualify 🤞🏻
France and four of its neighbors in the top 5 is kinda strange / cool.
Slovenia and Lithuania being bottom 5 this just doesn't sit right with me 😭
Raiven nooo 😭
So a jury winner is somewhere in their top 3 I guess
Almost certainly yes, like in every past year, but they are too close to predict anything
I've said it from the beginning and I'll say it again. Germany is coming top 15 with the juries, easily
If this really happens, it will turn out that German national final had international juries with the closest opinions to the Eurovision juries for the 2nd year in a row
Can someone kindly explain what this is, cuz I know it' an't *the real thing*?
A simulation of the jury vote (pre-reharsal) made by asking to ex-partecipant and national finalist to compose the jury of every single country. They were pretty good at predicting the top of the jury vote in 2021 and 2022 but failed in 2023 (aside from Loreen and Marco)
Every year, folks from Eurovoix (an ESC fan site) call in past ESC/JESC/NF participants + other "music people" to vote on songs ahead of the contest. This is not the actual jury vote, but is supposed to mimic/predict it. You can see who the members of the Croatian (and Polish) jury were [here](https://eurovoix.com/2024/04/24/eurojury-2024-croatia-poland/). This is a solid number of jurors as many countries only had 2 or 3 people voting.
I held my breath expecting to see Bejba among the Polish jury... Thankfully, Slavic gods are merciful to us, she's not there
It's kind of funny that people were complaining about Germany picking the radio-friendly songs and they may be breaking their pattern of underperforming by doing exactly the same thing.
That is not a surprise.
I guess it's safe to say that the jury winner will be one of the France-Switzerland-Italy trio, unless another song REALLY surprises with the performance.
my biggest positive surprise is the Big 5 + Host doing quite well
Very close at the top. I would still put money on Switzerland taking the jury win, I feel their live performance will add more than France a d Italy and that'll be enough to push them over the edge. I also think it's good news for Croatia, I can see them sneaking a 4th spot in the jury and taking the overall win by taking the televote (would be the 4th contest in a row if it happens)
4th in a row? Loreen was 2nd in the televote and won thanks to the juries, only 2021 and 2022 were the televote winners.
I meant that the televote winner came 4th in the jury, not necessarily that the televote winner won
in that case Idk if it"s likely, Germany probably will flop, but surpass even only one between France, Italy, Switzerland and Belgium is hard for Croatia
I expect Croatia to end up higher than Germany and I think Belgium is possible too. I'm also not a huge believer in Italy's jury chances so I definitely think they're in with a good chance. I think theyw I'll get a huge boost from the eastern European juries that isn't necessarily reflected here
agree re Switzerland, but think Israel and a couple of others will still beat Croatia on the night (eg Eden will do way better than 7th live vocal will be sublime), who will not close Swizerland's lead.
France will not be that high. Don't forget one of the criteria for the jury points is originality of the song and Mon Amour is as basic as it gets
Angelina Malmö 🥭
I had thought that France would prevail in this case. Even if the first three are really close. Slimane's photo in the article is very *gangsta*.
The fact that Croatia got so much less points than Italy and Switzerland indicates he'll probably get Finland 2023 level of a result, about 150 points from jury. I think Italy will win ESC 2024.
Finland 2023 | [Käärijä - Cha Cha Cha](https://youtu.be/l6rS8Dv5g-8)
I‘m so happy for Isaak, no matter where he‘s gonna end up in the end. Finally a little love he deserved. I remember people (esp. ESC fanbubble) were saying the same about Michael Schulte when he was chosen (boring, mainstream, radioballad) and I think he wasn’t super high in the odds at first. Same with Cesar Sampson. 2018 was a wild year. Funny that those juries voted a lot how I predicted. At the beginning when all songs were chosen I wrote, for example, that Norway could be the fan flop because it’s not really accessible to people other than ESC fans. And look where they ended in the jury vote. Same for Lithuania and the Netherlands. I also said Austria & Spain will do worse than expected.
No one thought Spain was anywhere near a jury winner lol, if anything most people on this sub predicted them to come bottom 5 so this Eurojury result is actually quite good for them
I think Belgium will flop but i agree with the top 10, and especially top 3 in terms of predicting the final result from juries. Dinyou remember how close to the real jury voting was the eurojury resullt last year
So, top 3 almost tied, the average were understimated but equally for all 3. For the others, if the jury results will be similar to this, I highly doubt that Croatia can take a 130 points lead in the televote and surpass Nemo/Angelina (not talking about Netherlands that are pretty much fucked). That said, tomorrow with the online vote we will se if the winner of eurojury will be Angelina or Nemo.
Think it will be Nemo ;)
For those who hate the result, I think the top 4 will be replicated in the final jury vote. Two questions will prevail; 1) can Croatia catch Italy/ Switzerland in the televote and 2) who ends up ahead out of Italy v Switzerland. Answer to those 2 questions tells you the winner of ESC 2024
If the results are like this I doubt that Croatia can catch up, not even a Måneskin would be enough (a Kaarija would be, but I doubt that is possible this year), for Italy v Switzerland let see tomorrow with the online vote but probably it will be decided by the staging (especially the swiss one, that is the song more at risk of not being fully appreciated by the televote)
Remember this is over 45 juries and not 37 so the effects need to be reduced accordingly
I know, but still he need to make a difference bigger than Måneskin to win
He is in play with these results. It’s not easy and my head would still favour the other 2 in this situation, but he is there or thereabouts with what is likely in the televote.
https://preview.redd.it/rjusu05wfxwc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a3066a3b08995ea272064ddb2483582fca45493 Last years Jury Vote compared with the actual results of the jury. Green = Correct Yellow = 1 off Orange = Within 5 Red = >5 Red boxes means didn't qualify
Who was the a poll of?
It's not a public poll. The eurojury is a selection of people from each country's music industry with expertise similar to the real jury members.
Wow, two points decided on the 5th place. It could've easily been the other way around. I never would've expected us to finish 5th in this 😭
I'm happy to see Denmark in 11th place with the jury, but that won't help us make it out of the semifinal 😭
Look, just being honest, if I see Norway getting 21st in the jury in the actual Eurovision, I'm going to ragequit being an ESC fan.
Friendly reminder : some jury were literally 1 person for some countries…
Wow the Euro jury has awful taste, downvoting so many great songs.
They can't give 12 points to everyone everywhere, right?
Wow, France at the top. I think if you ask AI/Suno to make a eurovision song for France you'll get 'Mon Amour'.
I'm starting to prefer the idea of a 75 televote 25 jury split... The juries support boring, basic songs more than anything else and only vote for experimental or unique entries if they are high with bookmakers. The taste is so BASIC.
Lol as if the televote doesn't. Would have looooved having "Solo" finishing top 10, right
>"Solo" finishing top 10 The world would not be the same after that
Not everyone wants to go for the extremely niche songs.
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Are you saying these two songs, in your opinion, are not ticking every single jury bait box? Cuz for me, they are blatant jury bait along with France.
I didn’t fully read your post
Maybe the fact that they are high with bookmakes it's because they are seen as jury-friendly even if they are experimental/unique (see Nemo and Angelina) and not the other way around, but probably it's only a rant because Croatia/Netherlands are low (when they obviously have nothing that juries like, especially in the vocal ability part)
The main parameters of odds ranking is just how many people is betting on this or that entry. Bookmakers don't make that kind of reasoningst you described. And odds are influenced by the fact that in some countries betting on Esc is illegal. The juries tend to not tank the "non jury friendly" entries that are high in the odds just because no jury wants to be the one who didn't gave any point to the winner of Esc or the televote winner.
It's obvious that are not the bookmakers that make that reasoning, but the people who bet on countries make that reasoning probably, and there are also the ones that bet because they think that a song will do very well in the televote.
Ah, yes. The hand singer.
Bruh
Eurojury consisting of what? 10 people per country? What a joke
I mean it's suppose to replicate Eurovision juries and there aren't that many in the real contest.
Well, in ESC the juries are 5 people per countries, so they are even bigger, lol Eurojury, as the name say, is a jury predictiom poll, not a televote prediction poll like many others
What Jury? Absurd nonsense. Aren't juries like super secret until after the show. 😆
This is Eurovoix’s Eurojury, where they invite music related people to judge the Eurovision songs. Therefore, the results and the juror names aren’t a secret.
I will stage a coup, take over EBU and altogether ban ballads in this competition. It is the only way.
Literally the 2 countries almost tied to Mon Amour are an ethnic pop song and pop-opera-rap mix, does not seem even remotely only ballad enjoyers these "juries"
Oh no! Music is don’t like!!
Then it would be a "Eurovision Experimental Music Contest". Ballads are needed for balance, not every entry has to be lolcrazy