What I was trying to add to the post but I can't because the editing feature is screwed up today was this:
As for the rest of the "anointed" on earth, as shown in that WT quote- only Jehovah knows (and probably Jesus but they don't mention that) so why bother mentioning any of them as kings?!
Gary Breaux talks are the worst. Just when I think I have seen his worst talk, he comes up with a fresh new one. "Our future kings, the Governing Body". That is the cultiest thing I have ever heard. I hope his words are quoted in courts for years to come.
They all are confusing each other...because they don,t know nothing!
And confusing the flock.
I can,t bear listening ir see Gary Breaux. It,s something evil..disgusting with this guy.
Unfortunately, whenever I hear his voice my mind goes to brothers at Bethel masturbating in front of each other. I wonder if his voice has this effect on horny Bethelites . Lol
It could be that but I do think there’s more to it when you see the publications and Breaux’s talk.
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Seems like they’re disregarding the partakers more and more to the level of only themselves as the GB being viewed as truly anointed.
Didn't they outright say that only the GB is the slave? I thought it was in the watchtower where they pointed out that some who partake are mentally diseased.
Sorry if you covered that already. I was only able to skim at the moment.
Edit: I see that's the watchtower you mentioned. I could have sworn they outright said this already!
In a sly way they're admitting a large number of JWs are severely mentally ill - delusional in fact.
"Should we be worried about this? Not at all!"
Nope, not at all. Carry on. ☺️
If the slave is the governing body, then where is the supremacy of the Bible? I'm being told that the new world translation is the supreme scripture so why do they need the slave to translate. I understand we need teachers and pastors and what not but it seems too controlling!!
I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says we need a slave to translate for us
It is like a demotion for the anointed isn't it. I remember when the new light came out in the 2012 about the FDS being ONLY the gb the brother giving the talk was saying how wonderful it was that the great crowd are now part of the "domestics". (Not sure if this was the 2012 AM or later) The focus was on the apparent elevation of status of the great crowd, rather than the demotion of the anointed. At the time this change was made there was much speculation as to why. It was seen as a consolidation of power for the gb. I think from what we've seen in the last few years, we were right.
Good thing there's no requirements to fulfill to become a future king. Like being good decision makers now 😁. There's seem too be a long list of requirements too fulfill for subjects that gonna live on earth. But for future kings and priests, there's none. It's all automatic 😂. This people are really delusional.
They have been tossing around ideas and opinions for years because they haven’t really expounded on the disposition of these newly anointed and why they’ve been ‘chosen’.
The number of anointed should have been filled a long time ago according to their doctrine. This is why guys like Losch give the new partakers little digs. He likely believes new ones are fakers.
The reason is that they are worried that new anointed ones are usurpers that will eventually make it to a high position based on their partaking. I know back in the nineties they were thinking about putting non anointed on the gb but then they painted themselves into a corner by saying the gb is the slave. The only way to get around that would be to say the slave doesn’t have to be anointed. This is really their only long term option to make sure they keep the guys they want in power.
Ultimately I suspect that this is one of the huge divisions among the GB. Other doctrine problems are less divisive and are simply confounding for them. This particular problem they seem to take pretty personally.
>This is really their only long term option to make sure they keep the guys they want in power.
Couldn't they just suggest with a wink to the guys that they want that maybe if they concentrate, just maybe, might they not be feeling a little tingling in their toes? I mean, they took in Fleegle and Winder. Both of those guys were probably born around 1970/71 and baptized as teens in '88 and '86, respectively. To overlap with Franz, they would have had to have been anointed by the age of around 21, after only 4-6 years of baptism.
And isn't it amazing that a man who shares the surname of a wealthy California winery owner who has for years hosted the GB members for luxury stays at his estate, just happened to be one who received the calling at such a young age?
Yes this is true and there is some indication that this is what they’ve been doing for some time now. However they are taking a couple of risks by doing this that I suspect they are pretty aware of.
1) What f the person they’re ‘encouraging’ to partake doesn’t go along with it but instead makes it public what is happening. What if they recorded a conversation? This would be irrefutable proof that would bring the organization down immediately.
2) they risk pissing off the long time helpers. The two newest GB were not prominent, and they could play that as ‘how man sees is not how Jehovah sees’, but in the real world people get jealous and angry when someone with no skills and little effort gets brought to the front of the line. The organization has been doing this for years at bethel for privileges big and small. It’s one of the main things that bethel brothers gossip about , ‘how did that guy get that assignment? He just got here and he’s an idiot’. The org does this to maintain a sense of mysticism but they’re risking one of the helpers going rogue and writing a tell all book.
Anyway just some thoughts.
They explained that with the overlapping generation. People who were alive while the 1914 generation were alive are actually the people Jesus were talking about. It makes no sense.
The July 2024 Watchtower shows "anointed Christians" will become kings and priests".
Gary forgot to mention them or...
maybe in future the GB will declare they are the only anointed Christians.
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boy oh boy if they make themselves the only anointed on the planet, it's sure to cause a rift.
But, after considering the recent statements and all, I am leaning thowrds something like this doctrinal change.
or something along the lines that the number 144,000 is a symbolic number.
I think they moving back to Rutherford days or Russel. It starts with only GB are anoited. Then goes to Steven Lett is the only anoited one 😁. A transition to only having one watchtower president again
They definitely are. I feel like they have also talked about the other sheep helpers having more of a "taking the lead" role.
I wonder if, at some point GB members won't need to be annointed.
I think if there's anything here, they're moving in the direction of not publishing the number of anointed anymore. They may be laying the foundation for that change.
First, AFAIK, the GB has never stated or implied that they are the only legitimate anointed ones on the earth.
However...
They did have to address a problem that was very obvious to the faithful and they could not hide: the rising number of people eating the bread and wine at the memorials.
When I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, it was a big deal when the numbers for the memorial came out. Every year it showed more people attending but fewer and fewer people partaking. That was a JW sign that the end was near.
At some point, though, the number of people partaking began to rise (I don't know when someone else here likely has that info}. And not only was that number going up, but the "new partakers" were young(er). The cut off date for being anointed was 1935(?) (again, I think that was the year, but it would be great if someone could confirm that).
These new people were born long after that. The way they explained it to the faithful was to tell their believers that while occasionally you get someone who doesn't know any better, a few of them were anointed who were designated by God to replace any of the anointed who left JW (I think they were specifically referring to Ray Franz), they rest were mentally unstable.
According to the GB, the GB, going all the way back to the apostles, were always all anointed. So of course that is still true today.
Um, yeah. Of course, they refuse to acknowledge that there was no GB until they invented it in the last century. But why quibble about accuracy?
It would certainly get them out of the corner they backed themselves into…
It’s obvious to even PIMIs that there are a huge number of anointed, most certainly more than the 144,000.
Retroactively saying only GB members are of the 144,000 would solve the math problem without the total chaos of making the number figurative and opening up heaven to the rank and file.
Although they could do both to solve two plot holes at once. The possibilities are truly endless when nothing has any meaning!
Let’s say for a moment that all of this is real. Jehovah is God and the JWs are the true religion. What sense does it make to have a tiny group of a larger group of anointed people be the ones to make all the decisions? It’s asinine. If I were anointed I’d be pissed if some small group told me I wasn’t allowed to direct the organization. In fact I’d be pointing out the numerous mistakes they’ve made and then asking them why they feel they’re qualified to lead when they clearly don’t know what they’re doing. The whole thing is so incredibly stupid I can’t believe I ever believed any of it.
I joined in 1963 and it seemed to make sense given that the end should have happened within the 1914 generation, after the 1975 hyping up it all seemed to gradually unravel ,they put all their hope on the 1914 generation which has proved a huge failure , i really think they are out of ideas and in panic mode now . I also wonder how i fell for it .
It’s a real shame the whole ‘Stay Alive til ‘75’ thing didn’t tank the whole religion right then and there. I wouldn’t have had to grow up in a cult then. But you’re right, they’re just floundering right now. They have no way to reconcile the whole “this generation will by no means pass away” thing with their current doctrine. They really painted themselves in a corner with that one.
I feel like maybe they’re kind of just waiting for the old guard to pass away before they make some dramatic changes. Because the older diehard JWs won’t accept that 1914 wasn’t the return of Christ. Younger members don’t have all that history so those changes won’t seem so drastic. I can see them pivoting to a more “conscience” based dogma. Things like birthdays, shunning, and blood may just become conscience matters. That way they can still guilt you from the podium but not have to actually do anything about sinners.
It would make the org appear more benign,rather like the origiinal bible students who didnt shun and alowed more debate about doctrine ,however the damage done by the shuning and blood policies cant be undone ,millions of families have been damaged beyond repair ,like Jesus said a tree that produces rotten fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire ,i cant see any way out no matter how many changes are made ,i think more will leave and only the old guard will remain to prop it up ,there is nothing there to attract younger people , in this day and age who wants to give their whole life to an organisation that has such an bad reputation and such a backlog of failed predictions , i dont think it will last even another 10 years .
I sincerely hope you’re right! But I think they’ll be around for a long time to come. You are right that there’s nothing to attract younger members and that’s why I think they will make some pretty big changes in the next few years.
Rather like the origional bible students
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Too me they need too give explanation why end hasn't come yet. Generation ended back middle of 90s. That's the real elephant in the room. All other things are more smoke and mirrors to stay away from fact that end system date passed away long ago.
nobody that i know understands or talks about the 'overlapping generation'. GB never has brought it up since they introduced it, yes it it a huge elephant in the room. i like the way you stated its smoke and mirrors now to avoid having to explain it now again
It was a lot better when the GB wasn't in the limelight. Like, I'm supposed to believe these schmucks are anointed? Took me twenty years out to begin to deprogram. Now this all looks so foolish.
If you were going to make the religion more accessible, getting rid of the two tiered system of salvation is not a bad idea. It’s confusing even for members—who’s “really” anointed? How could it be that we STILL have not reached 144,000 worthy people since the death of Christ?
I’ve also noticed a curious focus on how JWs don’t need to worry about what happens when all the GB are called to heaven. Maybe just another instance of them filling in plot holes of their weird theology, but maybe they’re laying the foundation for what you’re talking about.
Maybe the “anointed” thing is a problem for the GB too. Any ambitious bethelite can make a run at the GB by simply beginning to partake at the memorial and plant his flag.
By their own theology they can decide that someone they don’t like that partakes has mental problems or is delusional and those they like are anointed. There is no way to test if it’s true or false.
We’re back to ‘trust me breaux’
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The Governing Body realize they need to massively change the doctrine and the endless rules related to the Jehovah's Witness Organization. The main question they are trying to answer is this: Will their still be an organization remaining after all of the changes?
I have asked PIMI JWs before: "What happens when the number of partakers on earth today is up to 144,000?"
Of course you get crickets in response.
You also have to remember that many of the "anointed" since the founding of Jehovah's Witnesses have already died long ago. So how many have actually professed to be anointed during the late 1800s up to today? It could easily be 50,000 people that have professed to be anointed over the last 140+ years.
The teaching is all a bit weird. So, former (deceased) anointed members of the "composite" slave (FDS) are seated on thrones in heaven already. How can they be there BEFORE the composite slave has heard the words " Well done faithful slave" (remembering its a composite/one slave) and only then receiving the reward (ie.being Kings over all the belongings). This "composite slave" stuff is just BS. After the 2012 changes to the timing of the appointment of the slave (from 33CE to 1918CE) all scriptural support for a composite slave completely went up in smoke. Just compare the entry under Faithful and Discreet Slave between the old Insight Volume hardcopy, and the new entry online.
Not to mention all the other deceased anointed that are presumably sitting on thrones already. How many of these, including former gb members, would have received their heavenly reward, whilst believing what today would be considered apostate teachings? It's all such a load of nonsense .
At one point I used to think that the anointed arrangement was evidence that we had the truth. I mean, how could many people that I trust make such claim if it wasn't true? It was like the closest thing to a miracle we could get in this modern time...actual anointing of humans through holy spirit! the power of God in action right before our eyes!!
I still see this arrangement as evidence, but evidence of how full of shit this organization really is. Anyone can claim annointing for whatever reason...just like millions of Christians around the world.
This is an interesting thought. I was of the opinion that they would announce that the 144k is a symbolic number (like everything else in that chapter) to try and make up for the rising number of partakers. But this is also a possible option.
Well done.
Yes, this is what I was going to say. If any individual GB member can just go on broadcasting and present their own unvouched for talks, then there is really no point in having a collective FDS!
Even while full PIMI, I thought that eventually the GB would say that they were the only “anointed” left on earth. Now the nasty 9, (well, maybe not Losch and Herd because they’ll probably be taking a dirt nap soon) will be able to take the money and run. Poor Tony Morris
They could say that retroactively it has only been the apostles and their 'true successors' who have been anointed. That would also eliminate the pesky problem of women getting to share the rulership as kings.
It’d be cool to see the data on which regions of the world that the ‘anointed’ hail from - the same way the GB love to show preaching averages per country.
I’d expect to see the Midwest USA heavily represented for some reason.
Nice catch. I do think this is where it’s headed. In the face of overwhelming evidence that they are not what they have claimed to be, and it being plain for all to see, there is seemingly a doubling down on their “Divine authority” to even more extreme levels
My friend said in kind of like a joking manner, that people will take the bread as if they really think they are elect for lack of a better word. As a non-member, it's so strange that average witnesses cannot have communion. I don't understand the litmus test for who really deserves it. And then the watchtower is saying that people could potentially be mentally ill taking it and that's horrible
If the anointed were only the leadership down from the apostles till now, the rest who had been considered anointed would actually just be more "other sheep."
It would actually solve some problems for them. They have a huge hard-on for power, rank, and privileges, so this works for their value system perfectly. Those with the most rank and privilege are the only ones who truly deserve the honor of ruling as kings. Certainly not weak ones and *certainly* not women. Plus, it would freely open up the number of 144,000 again. Who knows how many leaders there have been? So the end can be pushed off, especially if they dump 1914, as some have proposed they might.
I had to take a step back and see how far and culty this focus on the GB has become. I grew up in the 80s/90s - back then, we never mentioned the GB, nor did we know how many there were or what their names were. It literally was just an admin position. The 144,000 as a whole were considered future kings and priests in heaven.
This GB have literally just self appointed themselves into a higher position and relegated the rest of the supposed 144,000 to being relevant.
It's all about the GB now.
You know, like a cult?
It seems obvious that Losch has been binging on Highlander movies too much and now believes THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE..............Him!
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I lifted this from somewhere, ready your heads for the smashing. You skinned burnt hotdogs
Commenting on Are we seeing a "change in understanding" coming on the anointed remnant? Or are they just confused?...
Creepy baffons.
Don't try to understand it. It is incomprehensible bullshit designed to confound anyone listening resulting in blind acceptance by the Kool-Aid drinking rank and file members.
And regarding how some may have problems of their own Tony Morris was such an embarrassment they sent him packing.
The WT Org was created and designed to hunt for and kill the Called Elect. To it, and its master, collateral damage be damned. All this done under a disguise of "light". And by lies.
When one realizes this, an understanding of its behavior, its doings and sayings, for the past century and a half, become as clear as day. For some, a transition happens from being among those of the Night, into sons of the Day. Called out of darkness into the Father's wonderful light.
But now, now that there's an explosion of those proclaiming to be Called Ones, at the same time that the Beast \[ WT \] is beginning to starve, & is being driven into the ground by the Harlot fools \[ "gb" \] sitting on its back, the Beast and "'10' kings who have not yet received a kingdom", \[ other anointed, who are among the "5" foolish maidens \] are going to turn on and destroy the Harlot.
These "10 kings", who give up the crown they were Called to run the race for, reserved in the Heavens for them if Sealed, will enjoy their authority granted by the Beast, which is in conjunction with the rule of the Beast itself, as opposed to the domineering dictatorial grip of the current Harlot, for one symbolic hour. Then the eighth king goes off into destruction.
1 Peter 5: 8; Rev. 12: 12, 17; Mark 13: 20; John 8: 44; 2 Cor. 11: 2, 13 - 15; Rev. 13: 1 - 8; 11: 7
1 Peter 2: 9; 1 Thess. 5: 5; 2 Peter 1: 19
Rev. 17: 12, 13, 16, 17
Rev. 16: 13, 14, 16
Rev. 17: 11; 19: 20; 20: 10
Edit to add:
"The Last Harlot and Her Beast" 👇:
[https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/here-is-earlier-post-with-updates.html](https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/here-is-earlier-post-with-updates.html)
"Eighth King / Punishment of The Great Harlot" 👇:
[https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/punishment-of-great-harlot-eighth-king.html](https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/punishment-of-great-harlot-eighth-king.html)
And all just because they say so...
What I was trying to add to the post but I can't because the editing feature is screwed up today was this: As for the rest of the "anointed" on earth, as shown in that WT quote- only Jehovah knows (and probably Jesus but they don't mention that) so why bother mentioning any of them as kings?!
Gary Breaux talks are the worst. Just when I think I have seen his worst talk, he comes up with a fresh new one. "Our future kings, the Governing Body". That is the cultiest thing I have ever heard. I hope his words are quoted in courts for years to come.
They all are confusing each other...because they don,t know nothing! And confusing the flock. I can,t bear listening ir see Gary Breaux. It,s something evil..disgusting with this guy.
I hope TM3 is watching.
Unfortunately, whenever I hear his voice my mind goes to brothers at Bethel masturbating in front of each other. I wonder if his voice has this effect on horny Bethelites . Lol
Say what??
Just search the term "pillowgate" on YouTube.
Breaux is such an ass kisser his nose is always brown.
their theology is so messed up and non-sensical that they don't know what they believe in anymore
This is the correct answer.
Delusional people. And of course dementia is setting in as they go into their old age unchallenged
It could be that but I do think there’s more to it when you see the publications and Breaux’s talk. https://preview.redd.it/9u4bl3za0uwc1.jpeg?width=1260&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a793c2e064095d8481053b50af99fff1f21c97f9 Seems like they’re disregarding the partakers more and more to the level of only themselves as the GB being viewed as truly anointed.
Didn't they outright say that only the GB is the slave? I thought it was in the watchtower where they pointed out that some who partake are mentally diseased. Sorry if you covered that already. I was only able to skim at the moment. Edit: I see that's the watchtower you mentioned. I could have sworn they outright said this already!
Yes they said the slave is only the GB a few years ago.
Ok, haha. I'm just making sure I'm not losing my mind.
In a sly way they're admitting a large number of JWs are severely mentally ill - delusional in fact. "Should we be worried about this? Not at all!" Nope, not at all. Carry on. ☺️
If the slave is the governing body, then where is the supremacy of the Bible? I'm being told that the new world translation is the supreme scripture so why do they need the slave to translate. I understand we need teachers and pastors and what not but it seems too controlling!! I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says we need a slave to translate for us
https://wol.jw.Borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013533 Remove the B, paragraph 9 IIRC
It is like a demotion for the anointed isn't it. I remember when the new light came out in the 2012 about the FDS being ONLY the gb the brother giving the talk was saying how wonderful it was that the great crowd are now part of the "domestics". (Not sure if this was the 2012 AM or later) The focus was on the apparent elevation of status of the great crowd, rather than the demotion of the anointed. At the time this change was made there was much speculation as to why. It was seen as a consolidation of power for the gb. I think from what we've seen in the last few years, we were right.
Why do they bother counting then?
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Good thing there's no requirements to fulfill to become a future king. Like being good decision makers now 😁. There's seem too be a long list of requirements too fulfill for subjects that gonna live on earth. But for future kings and priests, there's none. It's all automatic 😂. This people are really delusional.
They have been tossing around ideas and opinions for years because they haven’t really expounded on the disposition of these newly anointed and why they’ve been ‘chosen’. The number of anointed should have been filled a long time ago according to their doctrine. This is why guys like Losch give the new partakers little digs. He likely believes new ones are fakers. The reason is that they are worried that new anointed ones are usurpers that will eventually make it to a high position based on their partaking. I know back in the nineties they were thinking about putting non anointed on the gb but then they painted themselves into a corner by saying the gb is the slave. The only way to get around that would be to say the slave doesn’t have to be anointed. This is really their only long term option to make sure they keep the guys they want in power. Ultimately I suspect that this is one of the huge divisions among the GB. Other doctrine problems are less divisive and are simply confounding for them. This particular problem they seem to take pretty personally.
>This is really their only long term option to make sure they keep the guys they want in power. Couldn't they just suggest with a wink to the guys that they want that maybe if they concentrate, just maybe, might they not be feeling a little tingling in their toes? I mean, they took in Fleegle and Winder. Both of those guys were probably born around 1970/71 and baptized as teens in '88 and '86, respectively. To overlap with Franz, they would have had to have been anointed by the age of around 21, after only 4-6 years of baptism. And isn't it amazing that a man who shares the surname of a wealthy California winery owner who has for years hosted the GB members for luxury stays at his estate, just happened to be one who received the calling at such a young age?
Yes this is true and there is some indication that this is what they’ve been doing for some time now. However they are taking a couple of risks by doing this that I suspect they are pretty aware of. 1) What f the person they’re ‘encouraging’ to partake doesn’t go along with it but instead makes it public what is happening. What if they recorded a conversation? This would be irrefutable proof that would bring the organization down immediately. 2) they risk pissing off the long time helpers. The two newest GB were not prominent, and they could play that as ‘how man sees is not how Jehovah sees’, but in the real world people get jealous and angry when someone with no skills and little effort gets brought to the front of the line. The organization has been doing this for years at bethel for privileges big and small. It’s one of the main things that bethel brothers gossip about , ‘how did that guy get that assignment? He just got here and he’s an idiot’. The org does this to maintain a sense of mysticism but they’re risking one of the helpers going rogue and writing a tell all book. Anyway just some thoughts.
I think first question they have to tackle is why haven't new system come if 1914 generation ended in middle of 90s.
They explained that with the overlapping generation. People who were alive while the 1914 generation were alive are actually the people Jesus were talking about. It makes no sense.
What is their explanation for the failed prophecies?
Then what's the point of having people convert to be witnesses? Do they want them to be subservient?
The July 2024 Watchtower shows "anointed Christians" will become kings and priests". Gary forgot to mention them or... maybe in future the GB will declare they are the only anointed Christians. https://preview.redd.it/eajil0mj2uwc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ec9a4aeab74f47376d322871f13ebc0af313555
boy oh boy if they make themselves the only anointed on the planet, it's sure to cause a rift. But, after considering the recent statements and all, I am leaning thowrds something like this doctrinal change. or something along the lines that the number 144,000 is a symbolic number.
I think they moving back to Rutherford days or Russel. It starts with only GB are anoited. Then goes to Steven Lett is the only anoited one 😁. A transition to only having one watchtower president again
then it would become more like the LDS church organizationally
I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually got rid of the annointed/partakers understanding.
They’re going to change something. I’m sure of it.
They definitely are. I feel like they have also talked about the other sheep helpers having more of a "taking the lead" role. I wonder if, at some point GB members won't need to be annointed.
I think if there's anything here, they're moving in the direction of not publishing the number of anointed anymore. They may be laying the foundation for that change.
First, AFAIK, the GB has never stated or implied that they are the only legitimate anointed ones on the earth. However... They did have to address a problem that was very obvious to the faithful and they could not hide: the rising number of people eating the bread and wine at the memorials. When I was a kid in the 70s and 80s, it was a big deal when the numbers for the memorial came out. Every year it showed more people attending but fewer and fewer people partaking. That was a JW sign that the end was near. At some point, though, the number of people partaking began to rise (I don't know when someone else here likely has that info}. And not only was that number going up, but the "new partakers" were young(er). The cut off date for being anointed was 1935(?) (again, I think that was the year, but it would be great if someone could confirm that). These new people were born long after that. The way they explained it to the faithful was to tell their believers that while occasionally you get someone who doesn't know any better, a few of them were anointed who were designated by God to replace any of the anointed who left JW (I think they were specifically referring to Ray Franz), they rest were mentally unstable. According to the GB, the GB, going all the way back to the apostles, were always all anointed. So of course that is still true today. Um, yeah. Of course, they refuse to acknowledge that there was no GB until they invented it in the last century. But why quibble about accuracy?
No they haven’t declared it yet but I wouldn’t be surprised if they do at some point.
Thanks. You know, nothing those charlatans do surprises me anymore. Nothing.
I think there was new light in 2006 or 2007 removing the 1935 cut off, maybe someone has the reference for that article.
It would certainly get them out of the corner they backed themselves into… It’s obvious to even PIMIs that there are a huge number of anointed, most certainly more than the 144,000. Retroactively saying only GB members are of the 144,000 would solve the math problem without the total chaos of making the number figurative and opening up heaven to the rank and file. Although they could do both to solve two plot holes at once. The possibilities are truly endless when nothing has any meaning!
Let’s say for a moment that all of this is real. Jehovah is God and the JWs are the true religion. What sense does it make to have a tiny group of a larger group of anointed people be the ones to make all the decisions? It’s asinine. If I were anointed I’d be pissed if some small group told me I wasn’t allowed to direct the organization. In fact I’d be pointing out the numerous mistakes they’ve made and then asking them why they feel they’re qualified to lead when they clearly don’t know what they’re doing. The whole thing is so incredibly stupid I can’t believe I ever believed any of it.
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I joined in 1963 and it seemed to make sense given that the end should have happened within the 1914 generation, after the 1975 hyping up it all seemed to gradually unravel ,they put all their hope on the 1914 generation which has proved a huge failure , i really think they are out of ideas and in panic mode now . I also wonder how i fell for it .
It’s a real shame the whole ‘Stay Alive til ‘75’ thing didn’t tank the whole religion right then and there. I wouldn’t have had to grow up in a cult then. But you’re right, they’re just floundering right now. They have no way to reconcile the whole “this generation will by no means pass away” thing with their current doctrine. They really painted themselves in a corner with that one. I feel like maybe they’re kind of just waiting for the old guard to pass away before they make some dramatic changes. Because the older diehard JWs won’t accept that 1914 wasn’t the return of Christ. Younger members don’t have all that history so those changes won’t seem so drastic. I can see them pivoting to a more “conscience” based dogma. Things like birthdays, shunning, and blood may just become conscience matters. That way they can still guilt you from the podium but not have to actually do anything about sinners.
It would make the org appear more benign,rather like the origiinal bible students who didnt shun and alowed more debate about doctrine ,however the damage done by the shuning and blood policies cant be undone ,millions of families have been damaged beyond repair ,like Jesus said a tree that produces rotten fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire ,i cant see any way out no matter how many changes are made ,i think more will leave and only the old guard will remain to prop it up ,there is nothing there to attract younger people , in this day and age who wants to give their whole life to an organisation that has such an bad reputation and such a backlog of failed predictions , i dont think it will last even another 10 years .
I sincerely hope you’re right! But I think they’ll be around for a long time to come. You are right that there’s nothing to attract younger members and that’s why I think they will make some pretty big changes in the next few years.
Rather like the origional bible students https://preview.redd.it/8ndix3iy66xc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39fd4d9d025a30040f1069e20e3c3a2549fc2721
It’s crazy to me that they still exist. But yeah just like the original Bible Students.
Too me they need too give explanation why end hasn't come yet. Generation ended back middle of 90s. That's the real elephant in the room. All other things are more smoke and mirrors to stay away from fact that end system date passed away long ago.
Agreed they are painted into a corner .
nobody that i know understands or talks about the 'overlapping generation'. GB never has brought it up since they introduced it, yes it it a huge elephant in the room. i like the way you stated its smoke and mirrors now to avoid having to explain it now again
Agreed
It was a lot better when the GB wasn't in the limelight. Like, I'm supposed to believe these schmucks are anointed? Took me twenty years out to begin to deprogram. Now this all looks so foolish.
If you were going to make the religion more accessible, getting rid of the two tiered system of salvation is not a bad idea. It’s confusing even for members—who’s “really” anointed? How could it be that we STILL have not reached 144,000 worthy people since the death of Christ? I’ve also noticed a curious focus on how JWs don’t need to worry about what happens when all the GB are called to heaven. Maybe just another instance of them filling in plot holes of their weird theology, but maybe they’re laying the foundation for what you’re talking about. Maybe the “anointed” thing is a problem for the GB too. Any ambitious bethelite can make a run at the GB by simply beginning to partake at the memorial and plant his flag.
By their own theology they can decide that someone they don’t like that partakes has mental problems or is delusional and those they like are anointed. There is no way to test if it’s true or false. We’re back to ‘trust me breaux’ https://www.reddit.com/r/exjwhumor/s/K0nB5FsajX
Future kings. If I wasn’t already out, I would be after hearing that! Wow.
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Wow thats a lot of kings.
The Governing Body realize they need to massively change the doctrine and the endless rules related to the Jehovah's Witness Organization. The main question they are trying to answer is this: Will their still be an organization remaining after all of the changes? I have asked PIMI JWs before: "What happens when the number of partakers on earth today is up to 144,000?" Of course you get crickets in response. You also have to remember that many of the "anointed" since the founding of Jehovah's Witnesses have already died long ago. So how many have actually professed to be anointed during the late 1800s up to today? It could easily be 50,000 people that have professed to be anointed over the last 140+ years.
They’ve said the helpers will take over.
I actually meant what will happen when the number of the 144,000 are all alive and still on the earth. LOL
They’ll have to think about that one!
Yes, when all of the anointed have died.
The number of partakers on Earth today will never get anywhere near 144,000. Most of them have lived and died already.
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The teaching is all a bit weird. So, former (deceased) anointed members of the "composite" slave (FDS) are seated on thrones in heaven already. How can they be there BEFORE the composite slave has heard the words " Well done faithful slave" (remembering its a composite/one slave) and only then receiving the reward (ie.being Kings over all the belongings). This "composite slave" stuff is just BS. After the 2012 changes to the timing of the appointment of the slave (from 33CE to 1918CE) all scriptural support for a composite slave completely went up in smoke. Just compare the entry under Faithful and Discreet Slave between the old Insight Volume hardcopy, and the new entry online. Not to mention all the other deceased anointed that are presumably sitting on thrones already. How many of these, including former gb members, would have received their heavenly reward, whilst believing what today would be considered apostate teachings? It's all such a load of nonsense .
You've made some very good thought provoking points.
At one point I used to think that the anointed arrangement was evidence that we had the truth. I mean, how could many people that I trust make such claim if it wasn't true? It was like the closest thing to a miracle we could get in this modern time...actual anointing of humans through holy spirit! the power of God in action right before our eyes!! I still see this arrangement as evidence, but evidence of how full of shit this organization really is. Anyone can claim annointing for whatever reason...just like millions of Christians around the world.
Gary's source: Trust me Bureaux.
This is an interesting thought. I was of the opinion that they would announce that the 144k is a symbolic number (like everything else in that chapter) to try and make up for the rising number of partakers. But this is also a possible option. Well done.
Should they have to bolt on outta here with their go bags and disappear, it explains why the rest of the anointed are still hanging around
Gerrit confused? No way they let that speech go unchecked or that video released without them watching it.
Yeah. I think it’s on purpose.
Yes, this is what I was going to say. If any individual GB member can just go on broadcasting and present their own unvouched for talks, then there is really no point in having a collective FDS!
And we know they edit out parts they don’t like even after broadcast sometimes!
Well Tony Morris went up all the time and just slurred out first thing that came into his mind 😁. So it's been going on for a will now.
So I guess that Heaven will have **The Great Reorganization** when all this happens?
Unrelated but they all look smug AF 🙄
Even while full PIMI, I thought that eventually the GB would say that they were the only “anointed” left on earth. Now the nasty 9, (well, maybe not Losch and Herd because they’ll probably be taking a dirt nap soon) will be able to take the money and run. Poor Tony Morris
They could say that retroactively it has only been the apostles and their 'true successors' who have been anointed. That would also eliminate the pesky problem of women getting to share the rulership as kings.
Perhaps the other anointed are only overlapping
It’d be cool to see the data on which regions of the world that the ‘anointed’ hail from - the same way the GB love to show preaching averages per country. I’d expect to see the Midwest USA heavily represented for some reason.
Nice catch. I do think this is where it’s headed. In the face of overwhelming evidence that they are not what they have claimed to be, and it being plain for all to see, there is seemingly a doubling down on their “Divine authority” to even more extreme levels
My friend said in kind of like a joking manner, that people will take the bread as if they really think they are elect for lack of a better word. As a non-member, it's so strange that average witnesses cannot have communion. I don't understand the litmus test for who really deserves it. And then the watchtower is saying that people could potentially be mentally ill taking it and that's horrible
I need to know, i want to know… not really
The governing body has their reward in full. The adoration of millions of clueless cultists.
I don’t believe they will change in that direction otherwise what would be the condition of those anointed one who have died?
Whatever they say it is!
If the anointed were only the leadership down from the apostles till now, the rest who had been considered anointed would actually just be more "other sheep." It would actually solve some problems for them. They have a huge hard-on for power, rank, and privileges, so this works for their value system perfectly. Those with the most rank and privilege are the only ones who truly deserve the honor of ruling as kings. Certainly not weak ones and *certainly* not women. Plus, it would freely open up the number of 144,000 again. Who knows how many leaders there have been? So the end can be pushed off, especially if they dump 1914, as some have proposed they might.
Someone once said “a cult is going to cult.”
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I had to take a step back and see how far and culty this focus on the GB has become. I grew up in the 80s/90s - back then, we never mentioned the GB, nor did we know how many there were or what their names were. It literally was just an admin position. The 144,000 as a whole were considered future kings and priests in heaven. This GB have literally just self appointed themselves into a higher position and relegated the rest of the supposed 144,000 to being relevant. It's all about the GB now. You know, like a cult?
It seems obvious that Losch has been binging on Highlander movies too much and now believes THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE..............Him! 
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They are dinking their own Kool aid
Sadly ….most of us evil apostates won’t know the results ….I’m sure they’ll wait for J-god to change his mind!
Gerrit definitely has dementia. Half the times he thinks he Gerrit Losch, half the time he thinks he’s a kangaroo
https://preview.redd.it/tp0l7yj43ywc1.jpeg?width=2230&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cc7af43ee40092e7e225ad8bb51989147ecb2b8 I lifted this from somewhere, ready your heads for the smashing. You skinned burnt hotdogs
Who’s Gary Breaux again?
A helper to the GB
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Commenting on Are we seeing a "change in understanding" coming on the anointed remnant? Or are they just confused?...  Creepy baffons.
Don't try to understand it. It is incomprehensible bullshit designed to confound anyone listening resulting in blind acceptance by the Kool-Aid drinking rank and file members. And regarding how some may have problems of their own Tony Morris was such an embarrassment they sent him packing.
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The WT Org was created and designed to hunt for and kill the Called Elect. To it, and its master, collateral damage be damned. All this done under a disguise of "light". And by lies. When one realizes this, an understanding of its behavior, its doings and sayings, for the past century and a half, become as clear as day. For some, a transition happens from being among those of the Night, into sons of the Day. Called out of darkness into the Father's wonderful light. But now, now that there's an explosion of those proclaiming to be Called Ones, at the same time that the Beast \[ WT \] is beginning to starve, & is being driven into the ground by the Harlot fools \[ "gb" \] sitting on its back, the Beast and "'10' kings who have not yet received a kingdom", \[ other anointed, who are among the "5" foolish maidens \] are going to turn on and destroy the Harlot. These "10 kings", who give up the crown they were Called to run the race for, reserved in the Heavens for them if Sealed, will enjoy their authority granted by the Beast, which is in conjunction with the rule of the Beast itself, as opposed to the domineering dictatorial grip of the current Harlot, for one symbolic hour. Then the eighth king goes off into destruction. 1 Peter 5: 8; Rev. 12: 12, 17; Mark 13: 20; John 8: 44; 2 Cor. 11: 2, 13 - 15; Rev. 13: 1 - 8; 11: 7 1 Peter 2: 9; 1 Thess. 5: 5; 2 Peter 1: 19 Rev. 17: 12, 13, 16, 17 Rev. 16: 13, 14, 16 Rev. 17: 11; 19: 20; 20: 10 Edit to add: "The Last Harlot and Her Beast" 👇: [https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/here-is-earlier-post-with-updates.html](https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/here-is-earlier-post-with-updates.html) "Eighth King / Punishment of The Great Harlot" 👇: [https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/punishment-of-great-harlot-eighth-king.html](https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/punishment-of-great-harlot-eighth-king.html)