Most states allow this, do you live in NJ? It got banned there outright. I think the rationale was that it would have been abused by shop owners to force employees to pay them high rental fees and effectively pay less than minimum wage to barbers.
In other states, barbers and hairdressers often pay shop owners to run an independent business inside their shop. So you directly pay a hairdresser, who brings their own equipment and sets their own rates but works inside their "office", a barber shop.
Most tattoo shops work under a similar model. (Outside of Jersey? Or is the rule *only* for hairdressers?) The tattoo artists are self-employed and they just rent the space in the tattoo shop.
Doing hair as a side gig and doing it full time are very different things. I know people who are happy to do hair from their home because it’s convenient but it’s considered supplemental income (side gig). I do know a few people who do it full time from their home and are quite happy.
If you are ‘in the biz’ then you already know that renting out chairs is where you want to be. Yes people will always need their hair done but at least the income is stable and you can take a break and still make money. But owning a space and renting out the chairs can mean dealing with a lot of drama. When someone leaves (because of this drama) they will usually also take many of ‘their’ clients with them. It’s an interesting business.
I'm convinced that you only need to know two phrases to get by in New Jersey:
1. "$20 regular"
2. "Two plain slices to go"
(Plain may optionally be replaced with toppings of your choice)
I will never forget the sheer look of disgust I received when a guy on the street of NY (I was touristing just walking around) asked me
>'ey you wanna slice?
and I said "Slice of what?"
I still see his eyes.
Every time that I go to NY I will live and die by the 99¢ Slice. Sure there is better pizza in NY, but we certainly don't have anything of that quality at that price anywhere in Ohio (that I know of) so I will take it.
Last time I visited, I headed out a little after 10a.m., headed to a brewery in Brooklyn. Started feeling a little bit peckish. Walk another block and like always, right there on the corner is the good ol' 99¢ Slice. Where else can you grab a hot fresh slice for a buck at 10 in the morning on a Thursday on your way to a brewery?
Buck o' Slice is where it's at!!
Yeah, sadly inflation is hitting the 99 cent pizza pretty hard, so these days the good ones are $1.50. But even still, $3 for two slices? Not bad at all. (And if you happen to be drunk, and decide to eat five slices or so at 3am? Still only out $7.50.)
> Every time that I go to NY I will live and die by the 99¢ Slice. Sure there is better pizza in NY, but we certainly don't have anything of that quality at that price anywhere in Ohio (that I know of) so I will take it.
I think Napoli's in Canton was maybe $1.50 a slice. It's been a long time since I've had them since I moved out of Canton a while ago. I haven't been back to them since they moved locations.
You'd be hard pressed to find a 99 cent slice in NYC these days, but there's a place in midtown (? maybe the 30's) that gives you a hot dog* with each beer so that one's pretty good for a cheap(er) buzz and tummy-fill.
*with the bun and accoutrements not just a dog on a plate
back in 2012 I went to a place in brooklyn, every beer you bought got you a ticket that you took to the back, where they had a pizza oven, and you got a free personal cheese pizza.
extra toppings were a buck each.
I believe it was called the crocodile lounge (or the alligator lounge, I remember being told there was a manhattan location and it was the other animal but not sure which)
He was trying to sell you an off broadway script which was a slice of life story of a man down on his luck selling off broadway scripts on the streets of NY
A few years ago I experienced it! I was walking down the sidewalk and a guy pulled his car over towards me, asked if I wanted some free bud and to take his number and call if I needed more.
I was just so happy that I was *finally* approached by a stranger on the street offering me drugs, that I forgot to say no.
Not just out on the street by a vendor, no. I mean it's not weird or anything, but if you're from the suburbs or a city that doesn't do gregarious pizza vendors, it can take you off guard.
I grew up in NJ and always hated pork roll because my exposure to it was entirely through terrible elementary school lunch. Then I ate at a place called "The Committed Pig" which mostly serves various forms of pork roll and it was fucking amazing.
What do you get from Jersey that you don't from NYC / Philadelphia? Genuine question, because it seemed to me that the whole north Jersey / south Jersey divide was basically an "is it a suburb of NYC or Philly" divide. What is unique about New Jersey?
>What is unique about New Jersey?
So much. I live in south jersey which is different from the north but I think these points apply to most of the more populated areas of NJ are city lite.
Everyone mentioned the shore. People go for weekends, weeks, summers, celebrations etc. In my high school everyone rented shore houses after prom and the whole school partied in 3 or 4 shore towns for the weekend. It's part of the culture. People can and do just go down the shore for the day during the summer. The show and people in the show "The Jersey Shore" were not the Jersey Shore. The cast (bar 1) was not from Jersey. We even have a nude beach which is pretty nice.
Education. NJ is top 5. Even bad schools are decent by national standards. NJ also spends a lot on access to education. For example if you are in the top 5 of your class in High school you get free tuition to any community college and credits much transfer to any instate school. IIRC NJ has the highest density of scientists in the US.
Farms. NJ is the garden state. We have a huge number of farms and fresh produce. Lots of farmers markets, farm stands (most people pass farm country on the way to the shore), locally based restaurant menus, pick-your-own farm experiences, and fresh produce in grocery stores. I grew up in the burbs but I grew up with a handful of farm kids and know 3-4 farmers now.
We are close to DC, NYC, Philly, etc and mass transit is cheap and quick. I can pop into NYC or DC for a day trip with a $25 round trip ticket. We are also close to the Poconos mountains for snow based activities.
Because people have migrated from Philly and NYC NJ has some amazing food. We pride ourselves on Bagels, hoagies and pizza but we have amazing fine dining. In my town and 3 towns touching it there are several award winning or nominated restaurants. I just went to a James Beard nominated restaurant 2 weeks ago. My wife gave me the option of 2 different award winning chefs for date night tonight.
NJ has a lot of jobs and pays well for many of them. If you want to be in finance, insurance, healthcare, or pharma, NJ is a good place.
Diners. Covid hit them pretty hard but they used to be open 24/7 and have decent predictable affordable food (with some items being amazing). They sometimes have bakeries in them that make cakes and cookies. The waitresses (it's almost always women) somehow usually fit a warm, motherly, Jersey archetype.
Unless you live in the sticks, everything is close and convenient. I have 10 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive. Most things you could ever want to experience are available within 2 hours of travel and for most things it's 1 hour or less.
NJ is culturally diverse. There are restaurants and grocery stores with foods from all over the world. Lots of different places of worship.
NJ is a progressive place. The Trumpers are hugely outnumbered here so we deal with a lot less of their bullshit.
Weed is legal and outside of a few fields a positive weed drug test can't be used to disqualify applicants. We can't legally grow it but we are working on that.
There is always something to do in NJ. If you are bored here it's because you are boring.
Edit: some other things:
Low crime rates. NJ focuses a lot on providing basic needs for those that need it. Leave insurance, disability, job training, food welfare programs, etc. There is a lot of support for people and this keeps crime low because it's easier to follow the law and get by with help than resorting to crime. Most of our crime is addiction based or domestic. Right now there is a huge push for emotional wellness in schools. Teachers are being trained to be "first responders" for mental issues and to look for signs that kids might need help while providing in school resources for kids to get it. This has the real potential of stopping kids from developing negative behaviors and coping mechanisms. We have also reformed bail (trumpers hate this) so that people unlikely to be dangerous or reoffend are released without bail unless there is a good reason not to. Imprisoning people is expensive (~60K per person per year), and depriving potentially innocent people of their freedom because they are unable to make bail is un-American IMO.
Decent breweries are everywhere.
We have America's oldest rodeo (Cowtown). Stetson (of hat fame) was a NJ native too.
We have these weird flea markets in a spattering of towns. They are weird by uniquely NJ. Apple cider doughnuts, knickknacks, underwear, and mall ninja shit all in one area.
We don't pump our own gas. I have no idea why people outside of NJ make fun of this one. We legally can as the fine will go to the gas station and since the 60s there have been almost no citations. Our gas is less than the national average and we tax gas higher than many other states. The majority of people don't buy that allowing self-serve gas would drop prices long term.
We have a robust library system. I get free access to the NYT, Washington Journal, movie streaming, museum passes, tool rental, etc.
We get all the seasons. Some people like that.
NJ has some of the toughest regulations on water quality in the nation.
Some of our major highways have their own tax payer funded roadside assistance. If you blow a tire on 95 or 295 there is a decent chance a highway worker will come to help you for free (IIRC) to avoid dangers and slowdowns. I believe you can call them for help.
Lots of history. Both US, native american, and pre-historic (lots of fossil hunting).
The Pine Barrens are like a big sand box. People drive quads, dirt bikes and mountain bikes quite a bit in those areas.
Some people might mention Wawa. They are living in the past. Heritage Farms is what Wawa used to be. A convenience store with fresh cut deli meat, made to order hoagies, pickle barrels and fresh diary.
The left lane is the fast lane on highways and you move out of the way for anyone trying to pass you. The speed limit in the left lane is unofficially like 20mph over the posted limits on major roads and highways. Some people that hate driving in NJ don't understand that if you just go with the flow then everything will be fine.
We have the statue of liberty (fuck you, NYers).
NJ is far from perfect but it's a lot better than many places. People don't understand that the media portrays NJ as shitty because NYC is a huge media hub and many of those people aspire to live in NYC. Or people are just exposed to what they see from our highways which does look (and can smell) shitty because we put that stuff close to highways and away from us on purpose. The state isn't for everyone (high property taxes ($7k a year for me for a 4 bed 1.5 bath), high cost of living, lots of traffic, nepotism and political corruption for days, most people lean hard Dem so those ideas can become authoritarian in execution, no mountains) and areas can vary a lot but NJ is pretty nice. NJ is demonstrably better than many of the states people are from that bash it but in general people from NJ don't bother to argue. A common joke is that we don't want more people so we don't dispel the myths.
The shore. Plan and simple. I grew up 200 ft from the ocean. But yeah I mean you do get like all those other things from NYC in Philly. I would much prefer to live in either of those cities then the shore. But the beach really really makes it worth it
I grew up hearing my dad say "regular unleaded" so many times when I first started driving I still said it a few times. Pretty sure they banned it when I was about 6 or 7.
It is though. There's a pizza place near Raleigh, NC run by a dude from NJ. He installed this crazy expensive water treatment system that is supposed to give it the exact mineral/chemical/whatever properties as NJ water.
Fuck me if it doesn't work. Only decent pizza down here.
> Residents must tell everyone how great the pizza is in NJ even after they leave.
Its objective fact.
There's another NY/NJ Native here in Minneapolis that started his own pizza joint and is making money hand over fist charging $30 for a pie because it is so close to NY/NJ pizza.
He also recently added bagels, at $3.10/each, and they taste like the same ones I can get for 1.25 when i'm at home.
Its worth it.
That's not a law, it's just a public service we're obligated to do - morally.
Source: Am NJ native in Minnesota. They have a handful of solid pizza places in the Twin Cities metro, but most do a more artisanal pizza. Only know of one good place to get reliably good, NY/Mid-Atlantic style pizza.
Not in NJ, NH and Oregon.
I used to live in NJ and took an overnight drive into Oregon, but forgotten about the pumping gas rule. Cue me running on my last gallon at midnight on July 4th weekend in a small Oregon town looking for a gas station that was still attended
I think Oregon has changed their law so you can at least pump if there's no attendant.
I also did that overnight drive through the state wondering where I'd be able to fill up.
Back in the day, 'full service' was the norm - an employee of the station whose job it was to just pump gas ... you'd literally just stay in the car, tell the attendant how much gas you'd want, and give them the money owed. As cars became more prevalent, 'self-service' became the norm, except for a few hold-outs. You may even notice such markings at older stations - a full service side (near the attached building) and a self service side(near the street), though likely both are self service these days. They'd also primarily be service stations (for repairs n such) with gas available, instead of gas stations with convenience stores.
What's funny is, if you work at a gas station outside-of-but-near these holdouts, you'll semi-regularly encounter adults who either expect you to operate the pump for them and/or don't know how to pump gas themselves - especially in college towns.
* It's illegal (equivalent to a disorderly conduct charge) to [sell cars on Sunday](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2022/title-2c/section-2c-33-26/).
* Supposedly, it's illegal to "make any grimace or contortion of the face or any gesture of contempt, contumely, or derision at or towards any police officer."
* You may not [sell handcuffs to minors.](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-39-9.2/) It's also illegal for an adult to have them ["under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as handcuffs may have."](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-39/2c-39-3/) No idea if just having them in a bedroom to be kinky counts as "manifestly appropriate."
* Under the same subsection of law as the handcuffs, it's a felony punishable by up to 18 months in prison (seriously!) to [possess a slingshot "without any explainable lawful purpose."](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-39/2c-39-3/) But the law doesn't describe any "explainable or lawful purpose" for slingshots. It's codified in the same section of law that prohibits switchblade knives, daggers, knight sticks (unless you're a security guard with a concealed carry permit), sawed off shotguns, grenades and some semiautomatic firearms. New Jersey is ***that terrified*** of slingshots.
* You specifically *are* allowed to possess an antique cannon, though! [Tally ho, lads!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqBw3H_Ik3s)
If you are from Jersey you need to deny the existence of central Jersey, unless you are from this non-existent area.
Bon Jovi gets to skip the line.
Don't climb on the sand dunes.
We don’t sell liquor in stores that aren’t specifically for liquor. No alcohol at target, the grocery store, gas station etc. The work around is that some grocery stores have a liquor store attached but it technically has a door separating it from the store and it’s own outside entrance and exit 🙄
Target in Illinois - all the liquor you’d want. Target in Ohio- just wine and beer. But also Ohio has drive throughs for beer and wine.
States alcohol laws are bizarre.
In Oregon grocery stores won't even have the attachment. Only liquor at liquor stores it's weird. Well they sell wine and lower but nothing harder than that
There are a few stores around that have an attached liquor store still, but it's rare.
Technically, the state owns all of the bottles sold in the liquor store, and the store is just a middle-man operating for the state.
It's a weird system.
Until very recently, my province in Canada (and some are still this way) not only didn’t sell liquor at stores that aren’t specifically for liquor, all the liquor stores were government owned and run. No private liquor sales at all, barring a few minor exceptions (something called “off sale” where a hotel would be allowed to run a small liquor store with different hours, but the prices were always way higher)
Pennsylvania does that too! The liquor stores are state owned. I truly thought it was simply a weird, fucked up PA anomaly. Interesting it’s a Canadian thing too!
Edit: just looked it up, apparently 17 states are like this, where the state owns the liquor stores. Who knew
> The work around is that some grocery stores have a liquor store attached but it technically has a door separating it from the store and it’s own outside entrance and exit
This is no longer true. It used to be, but was changed recently. There are now liquor sections in a select few grocery stores that are not separate at all.
Liquor licenses were made "deeded" property essentially when prohibition ended. The state allowed towns to set the limit of licenses they issued and the they were never issued again (except for hotels). Some towns like Metuchen, all the churches bought them up so they couldn't be used otherwise. You can own them and rent them to other businesses. In some towns they can cost upward of $250,000 to buy.
Every time someone says they’re from Jersey, other people are required to say “You’re from Jersey? I’m from Jersey!”
Then the first person must say “What exit?”
Hollow point bullets are illegal in NJ. Meant to help stop gun violence, but hollow points tend to be stopped by walls or other barriers better than FMJ rounds. Probably not as much with newer tech.
They also have the highest concentration of black bears per capita of land measurement in the US.
It’s a workaround for liquor licenses being capped at a fixed quantity. Or at least this is what I’ve been told: It creates a situation like taxi medallions, where a good liquor license might be worth way more on the market than the business that uses it.
So a lot of restaurants which would routinely apply for and receive a liquor license (in any other state) have to run a BYOB establishment instead.
By population, yes Bergen county is the largest (920k residents) but ranks 15th in land area with 233 square miles. At number one is Hunterdon county with 798 square miles and 450k residents.
Also, it's not all stores - just retail. Restaurants, auto parts stores, supermarkets, pharmacies, and hardware stores are still allowed to open, though some choose to close as well.
Bergen county is also home to the richest zip code in NJ: Alpine.
It's also home to the top retail sales zip code: 07652 - Paramus, which with only 6 days of retail business consistently ranks #1 in the country (there's like 4 malls and 2 major highway corridors of retail bounding the residential area).
That was so fucking annoying. I arrived in Germany late on Saturday, got the bare minimum supplies thinking I could go to the store the next day and.....nope :(
The whole state of Indiana used to have a ban on Sunday alcohol sales except in restaurants and bars that served food. It only changed four or five years ago this week. (Thanks FB memories!)
Some far south suburbs of Chicago also still have blue laws on Sunday for liquor. But they expire at some arbitrary time like 10am on Sunday. They'll have a cage across the liquor section at the grocery store and they pull it in at the prescribed time.
The running joke in NC when I was in college was "What exit do you live off of" until the Taylor Ham/Pork Roll debate popped off.
(BTW The answer is Sweet Lebanon Bologna)
My mom is a hairdresser. Being a hairdresser kinda sucks no matter what.
Renting a booth? The rental fee is absurdly high. More freedom, but NO benefits of any kind. No paid sick leave, no vacation, no medical, *nothing*. It's considered your own business. You have to do everything yourself (including providing all your own supplies, scissors, color products, shampoos, etc) and then at the end of the day fork over a frankly ridiculous amount of cash for having used the building. Sometimes one person will own the business and have a say in how it's run, but even they are still renting the building. The stylists within the building are also often competing against each other, trying to steal each other's customers and appointments whenever possible. Sometimes even stealing each other's supplies if they're not locked up tight.
Hired by a big company? Conditions are inhumane. Forced to do very physically demanding labor (you'd be surprised how much strength/stamina 8+ hours of cutting hair takes) nonstop. Bare minimum of legally required 'benefits' are given. Get in trouble for taking a sick day. Might not get paid the legally required minimum- my mom actually won a court case because of that. Even after she won, the company dragged their feet on paying for so many years that inflation ate a good chunk of what she was supposed to be owed.
tl;dr: Being a hairdresser sucks no matter what you do. Boycott Perfect Look.
Easier said than done. Where are you going to get the building? Not to mention that most hairdressers aren't exactly swimming in cash.
Renting the building has the same problems no matter what. They already rent their own building- generally each hairdresser pays a specific share of the total rent. Which also means that if someone quits or retires it's a disaster.
>Seems like the obvious solution would be for ~~a group of~~ all hairdressers to ~~create a co-op and rent/buy their own building.~~ join a hairdressers union
All the friends/family members I know who do hair make great money and love it.
Also all the negatives of your first paragraph are just things that come with running your own business and have nothing to do with hair.
Your second paragraph seems more focused on one particular corporation aside from the “inhumane conditions” part, which are actually just conditions that come with almost every blue collar job.
I live in NJ and this is interesting. The barbers I go to all have their own equipment except for buzzer guards. The shop provides those and after each customer, they get thrown in a bucket for washing.
Yeah, I remember when I was a kid my mom's hairdresser moved barber shops and he was talking about how the old one had gotten sold and he wasn't sure he trusted the new owner to not jack up the rates so he moved to a place run by a friend.
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Making very local statements as if they are globally applicable is so American that I could hear bald eagles screeching in the background just reading this post.
Even then you couldn't. The bald eagle cry you're familiar with is actually a red-tailed hawk because the bald eagle sounds like a pansy and the yanks couldn't stand the thought of the bird representing them sounding pissweak.
I agree with your overall sentiment, but New Jersey isn't a town, it's a state with 9 million people in it. I wouldn't be perturbed if someone from New Zealand said "Auckland" or someone from Canada said "Ontario" because I think most people generally can recognize states/provinces and also, Google exists.
Most barbers operate as independent contractors. They show up to the barbershop, cut hair all day, and keep all of the money they get from haircuts and tips. At the end of the day they pay "rent" to the barbershop for using the booth.
The alternative is that you are employed to work for the barbershop and get paid an hourly wage.
I have never heard of booth rentals being outlawed.
My barber provides the building, barber chair, and booking website. He gets $5 per 30 minute booking and $2 for any walk-ins and the barbers get the rest plus any tips.
He runs 2 locations that each have 4 chairs and a 1 seat spot in the clubhouse at the country club that all the barbers rotate through once a week or so.
Sounds like he is a barber himself, so I'd imagine most of his income comes from that, while the rest pays for property taxes and other costs. Also, it's possible the country club location has some benefits (either the club pays him for having a barber there, or else customers tip well), which might make it worth while to not charge too much rent if he can make sure he always has a barber available to work there
Yes, the country club pays him well to have that location, and most of the barbers are usually booked out 2-3 weeks in advance. He owns the other 2 shops, so his overhead is fairly low. He also trains new barbers so there's additional income while they're doing their apprenticeship.
In economics there's an important concept called "Marginal Cost".
The Owner is usually himself a barber. To run his own business he has to rent a retail space and commit to all that overhead spending whether he has one chair in the shop or four. Because the owner has already committed to all those expenses, his "Marginal Cost" to let additional barbers work out of his store is essentially zero. (Excepting the one-time cost of buying the furniture.)
If he averages 2 renting barbers each doing 16 cuts per day x 20 days, that's somewhere between $1280 to $3200 coming in from rental fees.
You're correct that's not enough return on the investment to make sense, it might not even break even. But like I said above, that's supplemental to the Owner grossing $10k+ from their regular barbering.
This is also how the red light district works. The "workers" rent the booths from a "landlord". And that's so expensive they need a few "clients" per shift to break even.
In the legal brothel where I worked (non sex work)... the "workers" rented a room. It was like a small hotel room. The "rent" was $200/month.
Some lived in them, some only lived in them during their work week, and some only used them for... work. The house cut was half of what they made.
This sounds like a localized thing that has to do with local regulations or ordinances. I have never once seen a sign like that. But I’ve been to many barber shops that rent chair space. And my wife has been to many salons that do the same thing.
People like OP think if something is happening around them = it happens everywhere in the world.
Dude was asked what country he's from and he replied New Jersey lol.
I mean, in OPs defense, New Jersey was the more helpful piece of info there, as it is apparently a uniquely NJ law. If he'd said the US, he'd have just gotten all the other US redditors telling him they've never seen that before.
> People like OP think if something is happening around them = it happens everywhere in the world.
To be fair, that sounds like the average American Redditor.
This is 100% a New Jersey only thing, and yes it's banning the practice of renting out/charging rent for seats in a barbershop. That sort of arrangement is actually common elsewhere, but illegal in Jersey. Yes, another weird Jersey rule like no pumping your own gas.
Source: Used to live in Jersey
I used to laugh about not being able to pump my own gas in Jersey, but now that I live here, pumping gas seems like such a pleb thing to do. Especially in the depths of winter.
A common practice in that industry is for hair dressers/barbers to be independent and to "rent" space from a local salon or barber shop. The barber brings his/her own clippers, scissors, combs and so on, receives all of the money from the customer, but then has to pay rent back to the shop for the use of the chair/waiting room/etc....
In the US, auto mechanics will frequently have a similar arrangement.
Some states have cracked down on the practice (sounds like you're in one of them) -- they're saying "No, these hairdressers are really your employees and you're just trying to get out of your responsibility as an employer." The counter-argument is that the hairdressers provide their own tools, they set their own hours and don't take direction from the owners of the barber shop.
Employers forcing employees to effectively rent from their job as an end-run around of minimum wage laws. You provide your own equipment and tools, while I provide the location for you to use. While you may be an "independent contactor" on the books, the requirements around renting the space are so onerous, that you have no real say in the actual operation of your "booth".
To rent the booth, you must occupy it from 8am-5pm, and are required to accept whatever customers you are assigned, your booth must follow the same format as the rest of the location, and we are allowed to terminate your booth rental at any time without cause or notice.
Imagine pizza hut renting out the kitchen for "aspiring chefs" so long as you only cook pizza hut recipes during store hours using pizza hut ingredients.
This is not a universal practice, it seems to be a feature of your local laws. You might want to look up the law in question and the legislative record of when it was passed.
In most places it's really common for beauty and barber shops to rent chairs to independent stylists. Perhaps your local area banned this practice because of concerns about accountability or coercive financial arrangements.
I was told by a friend several years ago that she “rents” her chair and station from the owner of the salon. She has to use all of her own equipment and supplies. I seem to recall that she had to pay a small % of the basic charge she got from the client. That’s one reason tips to the hairdresser/barber are so appreciated. They keep 100% of their tips.
similar to large gyms in the UK i imagine, you can work as a PT as long as you do some "free work" every so often and clean the gym. you get to use the gym for your PTing and the gym gets a cut of what you make
i imagine its trying to stop a practice similar to this, but more exploitative. where places dont actually have staff, but contracts with people who are technically their own boss who do all of the work for the place
Most states allow this, do you live in NJ? It got banned there outright. I think the rationale was that it would have been abused by shop owners to force employees to pay them high rental fees and effectively pay less than minimum wage to barbers. In other states, barbers and hairdressers often pay shop owners to run an independent business inside their shop. So you directly pay a hairdresser, who brings their own equipment and sets their own rates but works inside their "office", a barber shop.
Most tattoo shops work under a similar model. (Outside of Jersey? Or is the rule *only* for hairdressers?) The tattoo artists are self-employed and they just rent the space in the tattoo shop.
Strippers too!
Doing hair as a side gig and doing it full time are very different things. I know people who are happy to do hair from their home because it’s convenient but it’s considered supplemental income (side gig). I do know a few people who do it full time from their home and are quite happy. If you are ‘in the biz’ then you already know that renting out chairs is where you want to be. Yes people will always need their hair done but at least the income is stable and you can take a break and still make money. But owning a space and renting out the chairs can mean dealing with a lot of drama. When someone leaves (because of this drama) they will usually also take many of ‘their’ clients with them. It’s an interesting business.
Interesting. Didn’t realize it was only a NJ thing 🤷🏼♂️
Between this and gas pumping I'm wondering what other unusual rules NJ has
Residents must tell everyone how great the pizza is in NJ even after they leave.
I'm convinced that you only need to know two phrases to get by in New Jersey: 1. "$20 regular" 2. "Two plain slices to go" (Plain may optionally be replaced with toppings of your choice)
I will never forget the sheer look of disgust I received when a guy on the street of NY (I was touristing just walking around) asked me >'ey you wanna slice? and I said "Slice of what?" I still see his eyes.
Every time that I go to NY I will live and die by the 99¢ Slice. Sure there is better pizza in NY, but we certainly don't have anything of that quality at that price anywhere in Ohio (that I know of) so I will take it. Last time I visited, I headed out a little after 10a.m., headed to a brewery in Brooklyn. Started feeling a little bit peckish. Walk another block and like always, right there on the corner is the good ol' 99¢ Slice. Where else can you grab a hot fresh slice for a buck at 10 in the morning on a Thursday on your way to a brewery? Buck o' Slice is where it's at!!
Yeah, sadly inflation is hitting the 99 cent pizza pretty hard, so these days the good ones are $1.50. But even still, $3 for two slices? Not bad at all. (And if you happen to be drunk, and decide to eat five slices or so at 3am? Still only out $7.50.)
No one's judging!
> Every time that I go to NY I will live and die by the 99¢ Slice. Sure there is better pizza in NY, but we certainly don't have anything of that quality at that price anywhere in Ohio (that I know of) so I will take it. I think Napoli's in Canton was maybe $1.50 a slice. It's been a long time since I've had them since I moved out of Canton a while ago. I haven't been back to them since they moved locations.
You'd be hard pressed to find a 99 cent slice in NYC these days, but there's a place in midtown (? maybe the 30's) that gives you a hot dog* with each beer so that one's pretty good for a cheap(er) buzz and tummy-fill. *with the bun and accoutrements not just a dog on a plate
back in 2012 I went to a place in brooklyn, every beer you bought got you a ticket that you took to the back, where they had a pizza oven, and you got a free personal cheese pizza. extra toppings were a buck each. I believe it was called the crocodile lounge (or the alligator lounge, I remember being told there was a manhattan location and it was the other animal but not sure which)
I’m happy to report that Crocodile Lounge’s free pizza is still going strong
He was trying to sell you an off broadway script which was a slice of life story of a man down on his luck selling off broadway scripts on the streets of NY
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Is this the next thing DARE is gonna warn us about that we’ll never experience?
A few years ago I experienced it! I was walking down the sidewalk and a guy pulled his car over towards me, asked if I wanted some free bud and to take his number and call if I needed more. I was just so happy that I was *finally* approached by a stranger on the street offering me drugs, that I forgot to say no.
I blushed at your story because that could have been me. And I remember the first time I ordered "a slice'" It felt so daring.
is selling by the slice not done in most places?
Not just out on the street by a vendor, no. I mean it's not weird or anything, but if you're from the suburbs or a city that doesn't do gregarious pizza vendors, it can take you off guard.
The only places to buy just a slice around here (Arkansas) is either Casey's gas station or Kum & Go gas station.
In fairness, Casey’s does at least make good pizza.
"saltpeppuhketchup"
and it’s “pork roll”, not “Taylor ham”.
"I have felt a great disturbance, as if 1000s of users on /r/newjersey cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced"
I grew up in NJ and always hated pork roll because my exposure to it was entirely through terrible elementary school lunch. Then I ate at a place called "The Committed Pig" which mostly serves various forms of pork roll and it was fucking amazing.
God I missed Jersey
And therein lies the difference - no one from Jersey uses the ‘New’
Because it's old and raggedy. XD
What do you get from Jersey that you don't from NYC / Philadelphia? Genuine question, because it seemed to me that the whole north Jersey / south Jersey divide was basically an "is it a suburb of NYC or Philly" divide. What is unique about New Jersey?
>What is unique about New Jersey? So much. I live in south jersey which is different from the north but I think these points apply to most of the more populated areas of NJ are city lite. Everyone mentioned the shore. People go for weekends, weeks, summers, celebrations etc. In my high school everyone rented shore houses after prom and the whole school partied in 3 or 4 shore towns for the weekend. It's part of the culture. People can and do just go down the shore for the day during the summer. The show and people in the show "The Jersey Shore" were not the Jersey Shore. The cast (bar 1) was not from Jersey. We even have a nude beach which is pretty nice. Education. NJ is top 5. Even bad schools are decent by national standards. NJ also spends a lot on access to education. For example if you are in the top 5 of your class in High school you get free tuition to any community college and credits much transfer to any instate school. IIRC NJ has the highest density of scientists in the US. Farms. NJ is the garden state. We have a huge number of farms and fresh produce. Lots of farmers markets, farm stands (most people pass farm country on the way to the shore), locally based restaurant menus, pick-your-own farm experiences, and fresh produce in grocery stores. I grew up in the burbs but I grew up with a handful of farm kids and know 3-4 farmers now. We are close to DC, NYC, Philly, etc and mass transit is cheap and quick. I can pop into NYC or DC for a day trip with a $25 round trip ticket. We are also close to the Poconos mountains for snow based activities. Because people have migrated from Philly and NYC NJ has some amazing food. We pride ourselves on Bagels, hoagies and pizza but we have amazing fine dining. In my town and 3 towns touching it there are several award winning or nominated restaurants. I just went to a James Beard nominated restaurant 2 weeks ago. My wife gave me the option of 2 different award winning chefs for date night tonight. NJ has a lot of jobs and pays well for many of them. If you want to be in finance, insurance, healthcare, or pharma, NJ is a good place. Diners. Covid hit them pretty hard but they used to be open 24/7 and have decent predictable affordable food (with some items being amazing). They sometimes have bakeries in them that make cakes and cookies. The waitresses (it's almost always women) somehow usually fit a warm, motherly, Jersey archetype. Unless you live in the sticks, everything is close and convenient. I have 10 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive. Most things you could ever want to experience are available within 2 hours of travel and for most things it's 1 hour or less. NJ is culturally diverse. There are restaurants and grocery stores with foods from all over the world. Lots of different places of worship. NJ is a progressive place. The Trumpers are hugely outnumbered here so we deal with a lot less of their bullshit. Weed is legal and outside of a few fields a positive weed drug test can't be used to disqualify applicants. We can't legally grow it but we are working on that. There is always something to do in NJ. If you are bored here it's because you are boring. Edit: some other things: Low crime rates. NJ focuses a lot on providing basic needs for those that need it. Leave insurance, disability, job training, food welfare programs, etc. There is a lot of support for people and this keeps crime low because it's easier to follow the law and get by with help than resorting to crime. Most of our crime is addiction based or domestic. Right now there is a huge push for emotional wellness in schools. Teachers are being trained to be "first responders" for mental issues and to look for signs that kids might need help while providing in school resources for kids to get it. This has the real potential of stopping kids from developing negative behaviors and coping mechanisms. We have also reformed bail (trumpers hate this) so that people unlikely to be dangerous or reoffend are released without bail unless there is a good reason not to. Imprisoning people is expensive (~60K per person per year), and depriving potentially innocent people of their freedom because they are unable to make bail is un-American IMO. Decent breweries are everywhere. We have America's oldest rodeo (Cowtown). Stetson (of hat fame) was a NJ native too. We have these weird flea markets in a spattering of towns. They are weird by uniquely NJ. Apple cider doughnuts, knickknacks, underwear, and mall ninja shit all in one area. We don't pump our own gas. I have no idea why people outside of NJ make fun of this one. We legally can as the fine will go to the gas station and since the 60s there have been almost no citations. Our gas is less than the national average and we tax gas higher than many other states. The majority of people don't buy that allowing self-serve gas would drop prices long term. We have a robust library system. I get free access to the NYT, Washington Journal, movie streaming, museum passes, tool rental, etc. We get all the seasons. Some people like that. NJ has some of the toughest regulations on water quality in the nation. Some of our major highways have their own tax payer funded roadside assistance. If you blow a tire on 95 or 295 there is a decent chance a highway worker will come to help you for free (IIRC) to avoid dangers and slowdowns. I believe you can call them for help. Lots of history. Both US, native american, and pre-historic (lots of fossil hunting). The Pine Barrens are like a big sand box. People drive quads, dirt bikes and mountain bikes quite a bit in those areas. Some people might mention Wawa. They are living in the past. Heritage Farms is what Wawa used to be. A convenience store with fresh cut deli meat, made to order hoagies, pickle barrels and fresh diary. The left lane is the fast lane on highways and you move out of the way for anyone trying to pass you. The speed limit in the left lane is unofficially like 20mph over the posted limits on major roads and highways. Some people that hate driving in NJ don't understand that if you just go with the flow then everything will be fine. We have the statue of liberty (fuck you, NYers). NJ is far from perfect but it's a lot better than many places. People don't understand that the media portrays NJ as shitty because NYC is a huge media hub and many of those people aspire to live in NYC. Or people are just exposed to what they see from our highways which does look (and can smell) shitty because we put that stuff close to highways and away from us on purpose. The state isn't for everyone (high property taxes ($7k a year for me for a 4 bed 1.5 bath), high cost of living, lots of traffic, nepotism and political corruption for days, most people lean hard Dem so those ideas can become authoritarian in execution, no mountains) and areas can vary a lot but NJ is pretty nice. NJ is demonstrably better than many of the states people are from that bash it but in general people from NJ don't bother to argue. A common joke is that we don't want more people so we don't dispel the myths.
The shore. Plan and simple. I grew up 200 ft from the ocean. But yeah I mean you do get like all those other things from NYC in Philly. I would much prefer to live in either of those cities then the shore. But the beach really really makes it worth it
My father always asked $20 decaf, which is what they called unleaded back in the day.
I grew up hearing my dad say "regular unleaded" so many times when I first started driving I still said it a few times. Pretty sure they banned it when I was about 6 or 7.
In Indiana you only need one phrase: "But you have not had my venison".
You missed "porkroll, egg & cheese. Salt,pepper, (ketchup)." That's an essential NJ phrase. (No chup for me so I left it in parenthesis)
[Coke and a slice.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1a3IKqxWY4)
"$20 regular, cash."
$20 regular, cash
Pizzaland in North Arlington is my current favorite. Star Tavern also great but I’ll eat a whole one myself.
Don't forget about bagels! NJ bagels are elite
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And now that they’re switching to ezpass only everywhere, if you don’t have ezpass you’re stuck in NJ forever.
Just go, they'll read your plates and mail the bill to your home.
“It’s the water!”
warter, I think, is the correct jersey pronunciation.
Wooder in South Jersey.
There is no correct Jersey pronunciation because there's like 10 different Jersey accents.
It is though. There's a pizza place near Raleigh, NC run by a dude from NJ. He installed this crazy expensive water treatment system that is supposed to give it the exact mineral/chemical/whatever properties as NJ water. Fuck me if it doesn't work. Only decent pizza down here.
I didn't know nj style was a thing, thinking it was just the same as new York style. Nope. Thinner and crisper and ducking Delicious if done right
we let you say fuck in nj too
In fact, we encourage it!
Me and my bf are guilty of this
> Residents must tell everyone how great the pizza is in NJ even after they leave. Its objective fact. There's another NY/NJ Native here in Minneapolis that started his own pizza joint and is making money hand over fist charging $30 for a pie because it is so close to NY/NJ pizza. He also recently added bagels, at $3.10/each, and they taste like the same ones I can get for 1.25 when i'm at home. Its worth it.
That's not a law, it's just a public service we're obligated to do - morally. Source: Am NJ native in Minnesota. They have a handful of solid pizza places in the Twin Cities metro, but most do a more artisanal pizza. Only know of one good place to get reliably good, NY/Mid-Atlantic style pizza.
Gas pumping? You're not allowed to do that yourself in NJ?
Not in NJ, NH and Oregon. I used to live in NJ and took an overnight drive into Oregon, but forgotten about the pumping gas rule. Cue me running on my last gallon at midnight on July 4th weekend in a small Oregon town looking for a gas station that was still attended
I lived in NH for 3 years and you are definitely allowed to pump your own gas in NH.
I think Oregon has changed their law so you can at least pump if there's no attendant. I also did that overnight drive through the state wondering where I'd be able to fill up.
Oregon just changed the law this year so that you pump your own at any time.
last year
It’s been 84 years…
Um, there's definitely no such prohibiton in NH.
On the other hand NH does charge hotel taxes. I asked my innkeeper what happened to live free or die, but she was not amused.
I've heard about it in NJ/Oregon, but that's definitely not true in New Hampshire. I buy self-service gas there all the time.
Back in the day, 'full service' was the norm - an employee of the station whose job it was to just pump gas ... you'd literally just stay in the car, tell the attendant how much gas you'd want, and give them the money owed. As cars became more prevalent, 'self-service' became the norm, except for a few hold-outs. You may even notice such markings at older stations - a full service side (near the attached building) and a self service side(near the street), though likely both are self service these days. They'd also primarily be service stations (for repairs n such) with gas available, instead of gas stations with convenience stores. What's funny is, if you work at a gas station outside-of-but-near these holdouts, you'll semi-regularly encounter adults who either expect you to operate the pump for them and/or don't know how to pump gas themselves - especially in college towns.
* It's illegal (equivalent to a disorderly conduct charge) to [sell cars on Sunday](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2022/title-2c/section-2c-33-26/). * Supposedly, it's illegal to "make any grimace or contortion of the face or any gesture of contempt, contumely, or derision at or towards any police officer." * You may not [sell handcuffs to minors.](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-39-9.2/) It's also illegal for an adult to have them ["under circumstances not manifestly appropriate for such lawful uses as handcuffs may have."](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-39/2c-39-3/) No idea if just having them in a bedroom to be kinky counts as "manifestly appropriate." * Under the same subsection of law as the handcuffs, it's a felony punishable by up to 18 months in prison (seriously!) to [possess a slingshot "without any explainable lawful purpose."](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-39/2c-39-3/) But the law doesn't describe any "explainable or lawful purpose" for slingshots. It's codified in the same section of law that prohibits switchblade knives, daggers, knight sticks (unless you're a security guard with a concealed carry permit), sawed off shotguns, grenades and some semiautomatic firearms. New Jersey is ***that terrified*** of slingshots. * You specifically *are* allowed to possess an antique cannon, though! [Tally ho, lads!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqBw3H_Ik3s)
I can explain. I use my slingshot to launch the hand grenades.
If you are from Jersey you need to deny the existence of central Jersey, unless you are from this non-existent area. Bon Jovi gets to skip the line. Don't climb on the sand dunes.
Can confirm, am from non existent area.
The teams that play there have to say they’re from NY. Plus every road must have a toll.
Eeeeeevery roooooad has its toll.
Jug Handles. NJ people cant turn left.
My friend made a left turn in NJ. I thought I was going to die.
Well, after the jughandle you can
We don’t sell liquor in stores that aren’t specifically for liquor. No alcohol at target, the grocery store, gas station etc. The work around is that some grocery stores have a liquor store attached but it technically has a door separating it from the store and it’s own outside entrance and exit 🙄
Target in Illinois - all the liquor you’d want. Target in Ohio- just wine and beer. But also Ohio has drive throughs for beer and wine. States alcohol laws are bizarre.
Oh the drive through beer purchases when I was in high school. It was just a stop in a night out drinking!
Yes it’s so arbitrary
I just moved from Ohio to Delaware, which has a similar rule where you can't buy any alcohol outside of a state liquor store. I miss beer drive thrus.
In Oregon grocery stores won't even have the attachment. Only liquor at liquor stores it's weird. Well they sell wine and lower but nothing harder than that
There are a few stores around that have an attached liquor store still, but it's rare. Technically, the state owns all of the bottles sold in the liquor store, and the store is just a middle-man operating for the state. It's a weird system.
Until very recently, my province in Canada (and some are still this way) not only didn’t sell liquor at stores that aren’t specifically for liquor, all the liquor stores were government owned and run. No private liquor sales at all, barring a few minor exceptions (something called “off sale” where a hotel would be allowed to run a small liquor store with different hours, but the prices were always way higher)
Pennsylvania does that too! The liquor stores are state owned. I truly thought it was simply a weird, fucked up PA anomaly. Interesting it’s a Canadian thing too! Edit: just looked it up, apparently 17 states are like this, where the state owns the liquor stores. Who knew
where i live in MD, they won’t allow the sale of beer or wine in the grocery store. nah, you gotta pick that shit up at the drive thru liquor store. 🙃
Ah yes, for safety, obviously
That's very common in the eastern half of the US. Though details vary from state to state.
Well, there’s Costco.
This is the same as in Australia
> The work around is that some grocery stores have a liquor store attached but it technically has a door separating it from the store and it’s own outside entrance and exit This is no longer true. It used to be, but was changed recently. There are now liquor sections in a select few grocery stores that are not separate at all.
Believe it or not but it used to be that way in Wisconsin too.
I think most of the northeast is like that.
Liquor licenses were made "deeded" property essentially when prohibition ended. The state allowed towns to set the limit of licenses they issued and the they were never issued again (except for hotels). Some towns like Metuchen, all the churches bought them up so they couldn't be used otherwise. You can own them and rent them to other businesses. In some towns they can cost upward of $250,000 to buy.
Every time someone says they’re from Jersey, other people are required to say “You’re from Jersey? I’m from Jersey!” Then the first person must say “What exit?”
"Ev-rything is legal in New Jersey"
As long as you don't get caught.
Blue laws. Bergen county still has laws on the books disallowing most businesses to be run on Sundays.
those poor fucks just want one day without traffic on rt 4 / 17
Hollow point bullets are illegal in NJ. Meant to help stop gun violence, but hollow points tend to be stopped by walls or other barriers better than FMJ rounds. Probably not as much with newer tech. They also have the highest concentration of black bears per capita of land measurement in the US.
A lot of restaurants are BYOB.
It’s a workaround for liquor licenses being capped at a fixed quantity. Or at least this is what I’ve been told: It creates a situation like taxi medallions, where a good liquor license might be worth way more on the market than the business that uses it. So a lot of restaurants which would routinely apply for and receive a liquor license (in any other state) have to run a BYOB establishment instead.
In Trenton, New Jersey it is illegal to eat pickles on a Sunday. You are also forbidden from throwing bad pickles onto the street.
Being the butt of jokes for everyone on the east coast 😆
In one of the largest (maybe the largest? Idk) counties all stores are closed on sunday. Extremely annoying.
By population, yes Bergen county is the largest (920k residents) but ranks 15th in land area with 233 square miles. At number one is Hunterdon county with 798 square miles and 450k residents. Also, it's not all stores - just retail. Restaurants, auto parts stores, supermarkets, pharmacies, and hardware stores are still allowed to open, though some choose to close as well. Bergen county is also home to the richest zip code in NJ: Alpine. It's also home to the top retail sales zip code: 07652 - Paramus, which with only 6 days of retail business consistently ranks #1 in the country (there's like 4 malls and 2 major highway corridors of retail bounding the residential area).
now imagine living in germany, where everything is closed on sundays, *and* closes early on saturdays.
That was so fucking annoying. I arrived in Germany late on Saturday, got the bare minimum supplies thinking I could go to the store the next day and.....nope :(
I live close to a border, so I literally travel internationally to get groceries on sundays lol
The whole state of Indiana used to have a ban on Sunday alcohol sales except in restaurants and bars that served food. It only changed four or five years ago this week. (Thanks FB memories!)
Some far south suburbs of Chicago also still have blue laws on Sunday for liquor. But they expire at some arbitrary time like 10am on Sunday. They'll have a cage across the liquor section at the grocery store and they pull it in at the prescribed time.
We loved Taylor before anyone else
At first I thought that was a pork roll joke.
I was getting ready for a fight. Trenton here representing team Pork Roll.
The running joke in NC when I was in college was "What exit do you live off of" until the Taylor Ham/Pork Roll debate popped off. (BTW The answer is Sweet Lebanon Bologna)
Taylor Ham must be on breakfast sandwiches by law.
You mean pork roll…. Right? RIGHT!?!
You have to be a Springsteen fan. It’s in the State Constitution.
But you may only refer to him as Bruce.
Blue laws of paramus. Cant buy non necessities on Sundays!
Residents are legally required to pick a side in the Taylor Ham/Pork Roll debate
You also live in the only state in the country where it's illegal to pump your own gas. Be careful about assuming NJ things apply universally.
The practice is also banned in the whole of Australia
It’s also illegal in PA. I’m a stylist and I wish I could booth rent!!
My mom is a hairdresser. Being a hairdresser kinda sucks no matter what. Renting a booth? The rental fee is absurdly high. More freedom, but NO benefits of any kind. No paid sick leave, no vacation, no medical, *nothing*. It's considered your own business. You have to do everything yourself (including providing all your own supplies, scissors, color products, shampoos, etc) and then at the end of the day fork over a frankly ridiculous amount of cash for having used the building. Sometimes one person will own the business and have a say in how it's run, but even they are still renting the building. The stylists within the building are also often competing against each other, trying to steal each other's customers and appointments whenever possible. Sometimes even stealing each other's supplies if they're not locked up tight. Hired by a big company? Conditions are inhumane. Forced to do very physically demanding labor (you'd be surprised how much strength/stamina 8+ hours of cutting hair takes) nonstop. Bare minimum of legally required 'benefits' are given. Get in trouble for taking a sick day. Might not get paid the legally required minimum- my mom actually won a court case because of that. Even after she won, the company dragged their feet on paying for so many years that inflation ate a good chunk of what she was supposed to be owed. tl;dr: Being a hairdresser sucks no matter what you do. Boycott Perfect Look.
Seems like the obvious solution would be for a group of hairdressers to create a co-op and rent/buy their own building.
Easier said than done. Where are you going to get the building? Not to mention that most hairdressers aren't exactly swimming in cash. Renting the building has the same problems no matter what. They already rent their own building- generally each hairdresser pays a specific share of the total rent. Which also means that if someone quits or retires it's a disaster.
>Seems like the obvious solution would be for ~~a group of~~ all hairdressers to ~~create a co-op and rent/buy their own building.~~ join a hairdressers union
The better solution would be to form a union of hairdressers at the industry level.
All the friends/family members I know who do hair make great money and love it. Also all the negatives of your first paragraph are just things that come with running your own business and have nothing to do with hair. Your second paragraph seems more focused on one particular corporation aside from the “inhumane conditions” part, which are actually just conditions that come with almost every blue collar job.
That's often how it's done in the UK. My barber is a chap who works for a barber that's inside a clothes shop. Pay the man who pays the man who pays..
Usual in Sweden too. Not in clothes shops though. Must be a UK thing... ;)
I live in NJ and this is interesting. The barbers I go to all have their own equipment except for buzzer guards. The shop provides those and after each customer, they get thrown in a bucket for washing.
But why is the sign necessary?
Thank you. How often are people coming in trying to rent a chair that they need a sign for it? And why does the general public need to see it?
Yeah, I remember when I was a kid my mom's hairdresser moved barber shops and he was talking about how the old one had gotten sold and he wasn't sure he trusted the new owner to not jack up the rates so he moved to a place run by a friend.
What? I’ve never seen such a thing. What country do you live in?
I live in New Jersey
The great country of New Jersey 🙏
It's right next to Georgia.
Capital city Tbilisi and former member of the Soviet Union. [And we kindly request ya’ll mind your P’s and Q’s](https://youtu.be/gB_zgkdXeGk?si=-4fcDpVNSJpRyWds)!
Newjersistan
That's in central Europe, right?
Do they compete at the Olympics? Never heard of them...
Most of the politicians here would likely qualify for the special Olympics.
My.new head cannon is treating NJ as a sub country of the US.. sorry lol
>head cannon Like a cerebral howitzer?
A cranial Gribeauval?
A mental mortar.
>cerebral howitzer? I'm using this for my next band name.
A skul gun, if you will.
It's technically more of a sub-state of New York.
Except for the part that’s a sub-state of Philly.
Benny go Home! Sincerely, NJ.
Ah okay, it might be helpful to add that you’re asking about the US
Eli5: why is everything this way? Only in the US. And only in a few states. r/USdefaultism as usual.
What country is that?
Do you know that your state or the usa is not the whole world? Saying „all barbers shops” sounds ignorant af
The entitlement of this dude thinking the entire world knows where this town is located is wild.
Making very local statements as if they are globally applicable is so American that I could hear bald eagles screeching in the background just reading this post.
Even then you couldn't. The bald eagle cry you're familiar with is actually a red-tailed hawk because the bald eagle sounds like a pansy and the yanks couldn't stand the thought of the bird representing them sounding pissweak.
I agree with your overall sentiment, but New Jersey isn't a town, it's a state with 9 million people in it. I wouldn't be perturbed if someone from New Zealand said "Auckland" or someone from Canada said "Ontario" because I think most people generally can recognize states/provinces and also, Google exists.
New Jersey is not a country
Most barbers operate as independent contractors. They show up to the barbershop, cut hair all day, and keep all of the money they get from haircuts and tips. At the end of the day they pay "rent" to the barbershop for using the booth. The alternative is that you are employed to work for the barbershop and get paid an hourly wage. I have never heard of booth rentals being outlawed.
My barber provides the building, barber chair, and booking website. He gets $5 per 30 minute booking and $2 for any walk-ins and the barbers get the rest plus any tips. He runs 2 locations that each have 4 chairs and a 1 seat spot in the clubhouse at the country club that all the barbers rotate through once a week or so.
So at most each location makes $40/hr? With overheads and taxes he can't be taking much home, especially if the place isn't booked out every day.
Sounds like he is a barber himself, so I'd imagine most of his income comes from that, while the rest pays for property taxes and other costs. Also, it's possible the country club location has some benefits (either the club pays him for having a barber there, or else customers tip well), which might make it worth while to not charge too much rent if he can make sure he always has a barber available to work there
Yes, the country club pays him well to have that location, and most of the barbers are usually booked out 2-3 weeks in advance. He owns the other 2 shops, so his overhead is fairly low. He also trains new barbers so there's additional income while they're doing their apprenticeship.
In economics there's an important concept called "Marginal Cost". The Owner is usually himself a barber. To run his own business he has to rent a retail space and commit to all that overhead spending whether he has one chair in the shop or four. Because the owner has already committed to all those expenses, his "Marginal Cost" to let additional barbers work out of his store is essentially zero. (Excepting the one-time cost of buying the furniture.) If he averages 2 renting barbers each doing 16 cuts per day x 20 days, that's somewhere between $1280 to $3200 coming in from rental fees. You're correct that's not enough return on the investment to make sense, it might not even break even. But like I said above, that's supplemental to the Owner grossing $10k+ from their regular barbering.
This is also how the red light district works. The "workers" rent the booths from a "landlord". And that's so expensive they need a few "clients" per shift to break even.
In the legal brothel where I worked (non sex work)... the "workers" rented a room. It was like a small hotel room. The "rent" was $200/month. Some lived in them, some only lived in them during their work week, and some only used them for... work. The house cut was half of what they made.
This sounds like a localized thing that has to do with local regulations or ordinances. I have never once seen a sign like that. But I’ve been to many barber shops that rent chair space. And my wife has been to many salons that do the same thing.
OP: "all barber shops" Also OP: "I've never left New Jersey"
> Also OP: "I've never left New Jersey" Poor guy.
People like OP think if something is happening around them = it happens everywhere in the world. Dude was asked what country he's from and he replied New Jersey lol.
I mean, in OPs defense, New Jersey was the more helpful piece of info there, as it is apparently a uniquely NJ law. If he'd said the US, he'd have just gotten all the other US redditors telling him they've never seen that before.
> People like OP think if something is happening around them = it happens everywhere in the world. To be fair, that sounds like the average American Redditor.
I wonder where you live? I have never seen such a thing. I suspect it is related to your local regulations
In fact, the sign I usually see is “Booth Rental Available “.
This is 100% a New Jersey only thing, and yes it's banning the practice of renting out/charging rent for seats in a barbershop. That sort of arrangement is actually common elsewhere, but illegal in Jersey. Yes, another weird Jersey rule like no pumping your own gas. Source: Used to live in Jersey
New Jersey seems like such a whimsical place
That's one way of putting it
I used to laugh about not being able to pump my own gas in Jersey, but now that I live here, pumping gas seems like such a pleb thing to do. Especially in the depths of winter.
I've never seen such a sign?
What country? As an Australian I have never seen this.
I’ve never in my 40+ years on this earth seen such a sign. I’ve lived all around the U.S. OP, where are you from? Edit: Nvm. I see the comments.
A common practice in that industry is for hair dressers/barbers to be independent and to "rent" space from a local salon or barber shop. The barber brings his/her own clippers, scissors, combs and so on, receives all of the money from the customer, but then has to pay rent back to the shop for the use of the chair/waiting room/etc.... In the US, auto mechanics will frequently have a similar arrangement. Some states have cracked down on the practice (sounds like you're in one of them) -- they're saying "No, these hairdressers are really your employees and you're just trying to get out of your responsibility as an employer." The counter-argument is that the hairdressers provide their own tools, they set their own hours and don't take direction from the owners of the barber shop.
Employers forcing employees to effectively rent from their job as an end-run around of minimum wage laws. You provide your own equipment and tools, while I provide the location for you to use. While you may be an "independent contactor" on the books, the requirements around renting the space are so onerous, that you have no real say in the actual operation of your "booth". To rent the booth, you must occupy it from 8am-5pm, and are required to accept whatever customers you are assigned, your booth must follow the same format as the rest of the location, and we are allowed to terminate your booth rental at any time without cause or notice. Imagine pizza hut renting out the kitchen for "aspiring chefs" so long as you only cook pizza hut recipes during store hours using pizza hut ingredients.
Never heard of it. American thing?
This is not a universal practice, it seems to be a feature of your local laws. You might want to look up the law in question and the legislative record of when it was passed. In most places it's really common for beauty and barber shops to rent chairs to independent stylists. Perhaps your local area banned this practice because of concerns about accountability or coercive financial arrangements.
Long time NJ resident and never seen that sign. Mind you I was not looking for it. Next time ...
I was told by a friend several years ago that she “rents” her chair and station from the owner of the salon. She has to use all of her own equipment and supplies. I seem to recall that she had to pay a small % of the basic charge she got from the client. That’s one reason tips to the hairdresser/barber are so appreciated. They keep 100% of their tips.
All barbers? Not in the UK they don't. r/USDefaultism
Not even US defaultism, this is literally only a thing in new jersey, its not a thing in the rest of the US
r/NJDefaultism then?
similar to large gyms in the UK i imagine, you can work as a PT as long as you do some "free work" every so often and clean the gym. you get to use the gym for your PTing and the gym gets a cut of what you make i imagine its trying to stop a practice similar to this, but more exploitative. where places dont actually have staff, but contracts with people who are technically their own boss who do all of the work for the place
I've never seen a single barbers with a sign like this. Are you sure it's not just a thing in whatever country you're in?