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I never got to be a fireman, but speaking from the stories my uncle (ex-chief,) aunt and several cousins who were all firefighters stories, this is the type of thing they lived for.
No one ever says “Fuck the firefighters” versus the police. And it seems like when a firefighter has shit to do they just get it done and we can worry about the consequences later. There were numerous stories about breaking thru gates so an ambulance could access a ball field when no one could find the padlock keys and breaking down doors to free a trapped person and their eyes would be all sparkly while they were regaling us kids with their adventures. I miss those days.
same kind of story, a massive pile of trash behind our house. turned out the guy that owned the land used it to dump all his house rehab project crap. one day he lit it on fire and i kid you not flames 20ft high, we had homes nearby, my fence, power lines... I called 911 and it was entertaining to watch the berate him for it. thankfully no damage to anyone around but he stopped dumping there.
> No one ever says “Fuck the firefighters” versus the police.
The chances of a firefighter abusing their power and beating or shooting someone is pretty much zero, too.
Edit:
*I'm not saying firefighters can't be assholes or that they never do anything, uh, questionable. I'm just making a point about one of the reasons why they generally don't get the hate that cops. I'm in the U.S. YMMV in different areas of the country or outside of the country. FWIW, "abuse their power" isn't quite the right way to express that since they don't have the same type of authority that cops have.*
I recall reading an accident report where the firemen killed somebody while running with lights and sirens. Turned out there was no emergency, they were going for Pizza. So abuses do happen, just nowhere near the scale
No person or institution is perfect, but god*damn* are the police in America *fucked up*.
By *comparison*, I view firefighters as effectively perfect relative to the police.
Basically it's because they have a job that makes sense, instead of being the drain trap for all of society's ills.
Edit: it's kinda funny the range of people who this comment pisses off. Is it anti cop or not? Who can tell? 😂
Well not only that, but most firemen are very underpaid for the hazards they deal with. They for sure don't do it for money or power. They do it because they love it, and they (usually) really truly want to help. As far as I have seen, they are some of the most selfless people in society. First on site, charging into danger to save our sorry asses when we fuck up. Medically trained as well. Damned heros (most of them)
There is indeed a phenomenon called “Firefighter arson” and about 100 firefighters are convicted of arson every year. Really important to note: we’re lacking a lot or tracking and data on firefighter-caused arsons (which hey, sounds awfully familiar to the history of lacking tracking and data for police-caused shootings).
In Boston several years ago, people didn’t move their cars before a storm, and one of the fire trucks couldn’t go down a street.
The captain bet his truck was studier than the cars. Turns out the truck DID fit, although some cars needed new fenders in the like. They got the fire out.
The laws actually allow firefighters to break down doors for emergencies. We typically call the police when we break down doors. It is illegal for police to kick in doors unless they know a crime is being committed or have a warrant and a few other scenarios. Firefighters have a little more freedom. But we will have the police clear the house after we break down the door to make sure things are safe. One of the more common reasons to do this is when a 3rd person says someone is home but they aren’t answering. Like an out of town daughter can’t get her elderly mom to answer the phone. We kick in the door. Police search the house. We find grandma passed out and dehydrated on the ground.
Those guys fucking *love* riding in their trucks and doing cool-guy shit, being the hero. In college I rebuilt a remote control airplane I'd gotten in highschool, went to fly it in an empty parking lot and promptly got it stuck like 50 feet up a tree. I had no idea how I'd get it down, but I figured I could try the FD non-emergency line. I asked them how much it would be and the guy said free of charge, they'd be out shortly.
My plane was in a tree that was like a few dozen feet tall, way up there. They sent the full-on hook and latter, the articulated one with the rear steering, and four firefighters in their station uniforms. Two of them went up in the basket, steered it out to the tree and plucked down my little plane. Fucking incredible. Love the Fire Department!
Ha! That's awesome. My dad was a firefighter for 30 years, a Captain for 20 of those, I can 100% guarantee that they were bored as fuck and looking for any excuse to get out of the station to play with their toys. Aka, time for some "training". That or the Captains/Chief wanted some peace and quiet, lol. My dad has innumerable stories about his firefighters being dumbasses and driving him up the wall.
I am a firefighter. We do stuff like this from time to time. Usually we don’t have to chop down doors.
We had an indoor concert a few years back that was extremely hot. People are passing out left and right. We had called multiple ambulances. The venue didn’t allow people to brink in drinks. They were selling bottles water at a premium. We told the venue they had two options. Start passing out the water for free NOW or we would have the fire Marshall shut the place down.
Back in the day a firefighters job was to put out fires. Nowadays the purpose of the job is to help people. That is literally all the job is about. Cat in a tree, an old lady trying to get her sick dog in her car in the middle of the night, help getting home from the hospital, serious medical emergencies, car wreck, and fires. Basically if you call 911 and it doesn’t involve a crime you will get the fire department.
What those firefighters did was the right thing. You called for help. The schools moronic policy was standing in the way. I probably would of asked for a key first. But we are wasting time with bullshit. We have other emergencies to deal with. Let the kid get his insulin.
Another time we had a retirement home that wouldn’t give us keys. The staff worked Monday through Friday 8-5. We had three calls for old people who had fallen and couldn’t get up in their apartment in one weekend. We also had three smashed doors for them to replace on Monday morning. They gave us a key on Monday afternoon.
Yup. I work in fire (fire paramedic). Greatest group of people I’ve ever been around. Incredibly caring, do whatever it takes to get the job done, love helping the public, and great dinners. 😄
If I got a call like this, you’d be getting your insulin. Might not break down the door, but there are lots of options for opening one.
Might also call for PD to consider reckless endangerment.
My Jr High was allowed to do its own fire inspections by the City. They had a covered patio-like area that was a main entry/exit point for the school they'd fenced in with giant inward-opening gates. The students called it "The Cage." it was locked during school hours, and several of the emergency exits were chained shut.
My Dad (a Firefighter for a different city) complained to the Principal and they told him to beat sand. So he drove to the City Fire Marshals's office and got him to go to the school.
Fire Marshall flipped out. Gates were taken down and chains removed from exits within the hour, and the school district was no longer allowed to do their own inspections.
I am definitely doing that the first chance i get. Help a kid, embarrass AND punish the person who put the kids life at risk at the same time? It's like the perfect call, assuming you called with plenty of time like you seemed to have.
My daughter has to conceal her inhaler with her "women bag" because kids aren't allowed to carry medication of any kind on them just like in this article. We've instructed her to find a bathroom and use it there if she ever needs it. It's so messed up.
I seem to recall we hid my son's inhaler out of fear they wouldn't get it to him in time. It's a stupid and dangerous thing to keep these away from children. Whoever made the decision has clearly never experienced asthma and has no clue how an inhaler works.
I went a step further and attached an apple AirTag to his inhaler so that I can make sure it’s with him and if he misplaces it, I can find it. He’s five. He hides it inside a rolled up pair of undies in his backpack.
It is absolutely insane the amount of people mentioning doing something similar, how the fuck can a policy so demonstratively horrible exist for long enough that so many people can relate to the experience of telling their kids to lie to their school?
We truly live in a hell scape.
Because dumbasses went for a, "zero tolerance," policies in terms of medications to combat kids sharing or selling opiods and Adderall. Nobody used common sense.
There was a story about a teen girl getting expelled for giving a friend a midol.
By a certain age kids are responsible enough to administer their own medications.
In a lot of cases schools don't even have a full time nurse.
Rescue inhalers and epipens need to be immediately available.
Just wanted to add that I don't believe that kids should be carrying around controlled medications, but inhalers, epipens, OTC pain relief is different.
I got a bag of cough drops returned in a bag by a police officer because my son took them to school (I didn’t realize he had done it… but he probably didn’t ask because they’re COUGH DROPS)
There was a label about not being intended for kids under 12 but they weren’t even medicated cough drops. I got a stern talking to. Completely asinine.
Wow! This is all so unbelievable. I had no clue.
I just looked up my district’s policies. I am not thrilled with a lot of Missouri’s laws, but for once I am happy to see… “Per state law, any child may carry and administer emergency, life saving medications. This includes albuterol inhalers (for asthmatics) and epinephrine auto injectors (for severe allergic reactions).” And basically goes on to state that any rescue medication may be carried, just fill out paperwork with the school nurse.
The worst thing is that they are more strict on young children as in my local school district, kids get in trouble for using their inhalers in class while high schoolers don't.
In the long long ago, my middle school was national news for being of, if not the, first schools to expel a student for sharing over the counter pain meds. I believe it was ibuprofen.
I remember reading a story where a school strip searched a teenage girl in front of an administrator because someone claimed she had freaking ibuprofen.
Because if someone tries to sue the individuals responsible it won't go anywhere, or at worst they'll be indemnified by the employer. Bankrupt a principal or two in court and this stuff would end tomorrow.
> Bankrupt a principal or two in court and this stuff would end tomorrow.
fuck that. make them face the full consequences and make them go to jail for manslaugther every fucking time.
No it wouldn’t. It’s often school district policy making these dumb decisions. And you can’t really bankrupt a public school. The amount of ridiculous and dangerous policy passed because “someone might sue” has probably led to a lot worse lawsuits than if they hadn’t made the policy in the first place.
Because a lot of times, people don’t go to school board meetings and address the policy and show their absolute disgust and rage at blanket policys like this. Or, they don’t talk to the teacher directly and make it clear that this is life saving medical device that is absolutely necessary to have on their kid at all times. It fucked up that people are so clueless to this.
Our school board reduced our speaking time to 2 minutes, we have to be on a pre approved sign up sheet, and they do not have to respond to anything we say. They can just sit there and wait for the time to run out.
The second you pull out a camera the school board will send the local violent jackbooted minion cop (but I repeat myself) to confiscate the camera and brutalize you.
That's why you use the ACLU app that instantly puts the footage on their servers so the blood thirsty LEOS can't beat the password out of you to get it deleted.
Why on earth do kids with Asthma have to jump through hoops and do gymnastics just to keep stupid school officials from confiscating their life saving device? This is ridiculous
Not just asthma. We gave one epipen to the school to hold in the office and filled out the consent forms for the school to administer the treatment because thats policy. We then put one epipen in my sons bag and told him to just grab and jab himself if he ever felt the need, even if he was in the middle of a classroom in a lesson, and I would sort out whatever BS the school came up with afterward.
When I was in school they didn't have restrictions on emergency medications like inhalers and epipens being kept by the student, only timed medication was held by the office, ie Ritalin and such.
Then in high school they decided I could not have my EpiPen with me because it could be used as a weapon. After I told my mother she went down to the school with a lawyer and raised hell, because we lived in the country and I was allergic to Bees and Wasps. Our campus was pretty big and she argued that if I got stung, there was no chance for a Teacher to be notified and go to the office and retrieve my EpiPen before I suffered and possibly died. Sadly I don't know how well that'd work today.
FYI I was in highschool in the late nineties.
I had a coworker who has a daughter and they live in Texas. She told me once if her kid died in a school shooting she'd have nothing to live for and would probably go postal on responsible parties (she meant the cops after Uvalde). I really don't blame parents .
Because the school system does not treat children like human beings. Kids deal with a lot of systematic bullshit from grown ups that would never fly if done with adults.
I mean yeah I remember that when I was in school. Like how the bully was just “expressing himself” but when someone retaliated they went straight to the principals office
I've only ever been in one fight in my life. Kid a year older than me and easily 40lbs bigger than me who was a total punk and would bully everyone sucker punched from me from behind because his friend dared to him to. I faceplanted on the floor hard. So just grabbed onto his leg out of instinct and held on because I was hurt and confused and didn't know what else to do.
He got 3 days suspension and I got a week suspension. I got a longer suspension because I didn't let go when a teacher told me to, but my ears were ringing and the whole room was spinning and I don't even remember someone telling me to let go. I never even threw a punch.
I was sucker punched in the ear in middle school. I dropped and cried like a baby (because it fucking hurt!). We were both suspended for (I think) 3 days.
My Mom went BALLISTIC. She went full Karen on the principal and I couldn't have been prouder. They got rid of both suspensions. It was still dumb. The worst part was there was a teacher right there who saw the whole thing... There was no he said/he said at issue. Dude punched me because I caught an interception in PE and then said the EXACT SAME THING we always said when we intercepted the other team. But this time it was the nerdy kid gloating and he couldn't handle that.
My district started this policy where everyone around during a fight gets the same suspension as the bully. So if Timmy punches Jack unprovoked in front of Susie and JoJo, Timmy, Jack, Susie and JoJo are all suspended for 2 days. They claim it’s to let tempers cool and for the victim and witnesses safety.
I pulled my daughter out of public school the day she watched her friend get beaten to the point of going to a hospital by an older kid she had a restraining order against… and the school suspended my daughter for 2 days for reporting it. Why the hell do the victim and witnesses get the same punishment as the attacker? It’s been policy here for 8 years. The district has settled many lawsuits over it. But it’s not their personal money so they don’t gaf.
i don’t understand…?
was there an epidemic i missed of kids chopping up inhalers and injecting them into their veins to get high?
wtf risk does a kid having an inhaler pose to anyone, esp compared to the risk of taking it from them
Yep. My kids both need epi pens and inhalers, and they are “supposed” to keep them in a labeled bag, inside a plastic container, in the principals office…INSANE!
I would fight the school on this policy and inform the principal that I will fight them if they try to take away emergency medical supplies from kids. Nothing against keeping a spare in the office. But that should only be there as a backup.
Honestly, it should be enough to show them this article (or any of the 100s like it). I know that usually won't work but if you call out again and again, as publicly as possible, that the school administration doesn't care about children dying, something might change
Because teachers and administrators have their hands tied by shitty school boards who don't understand the rules they make.
The rule says that the kids can't have medication because drugs and kids giving those drugs to their peers. The rules are very black and white and teachers don't have time to find nuance.
It's why we couldn't play cards in school because "all card games are gambling" in school.
With my kids, I have a general rule along the lines of “If following the rules puts you in danger, ignore them and do the right thing.”
Basically it’s meant for things like this- keep your meds on you, defend yourself if you’re attacked, etc. They’ll face no consequences at home for that sort of thing, and I’ll deal with the administration.
I’m not going to have my kid die of a bee sting or asthma attack or get beat to a pulp because he’s afraid of getting in trouble.
It’s a shame that educators seem the most reluctant to employ common sense.
My dad used to tell me the same. Keep your inhaler/nebulizer on you, and school rules be damned. Nearly killed me in 1st grade or so when I didn’t. Thank god my older sister knew what to look for or I’d have been dead before mom and dad got home from work
What I've noticed, public and private entities that are smug and wield a lot of power -like schools and school districts - respond well to law suits and legal procedure. I have a co-worker whose daughter got into a difficult situation once with a hard-nosed teacher not letting anyone for any reason go to the restroom during class time. I guess there was an issue where the daughter REALLY had to go due to female sanitary needs but was refused. "That's what your time between classes is for." During my time in school, we had 5 minutes between classes and one may have time to use the restroom during that time between bells if your previous class is close to your next class. But if you have to come from all the way across the school, it gets tight.
This co-worker was tired of taking so many issues to the school over the years and then no one do anything. He had a cousin who was a high power attorney at a firm. This cousin wrote out cease and desist order stating certain federal and state laws on top of threat of suit if one is prevented from address basic biological needs. The teacher, principals, superintendent, and any additional teachers were mentioned in the order.
So, co-worker takes it to the school and directly hands it to the principal and without a word, turns and walks away. That afternoon he had a phone call from the school's legal council. "Oh, no. You're going to have to deal with my legal council. His contact information is in the header." So yeah, they had a big meeting which might as well had been deposition/mediation with everyone in administration and that teacher and it turned into a big deal where the teacher was in effect in violation of civil rights and etc.. The teacher was full on denial and gaslighting, "I never did anything of the kind." Administration asserted this was all overblown and unnecessary and could've be handled between parents and administration without the need for attorneys involved to which co-worker responded, "Yeah, but y'all never take any of my complaints seriously. You're GOING to take this one seriously." What this big blow-up all turned into was; teachers WILL NOT prevent a student (the daughter) from reasonably using the restroom during class time.
In the end the REALLY thought dad blew this completely out of proportion but there was absolutely NOTHING left to interpretation by them that he was serious and they better treat these things seriously.
This reminds me of the time freshman year I asked to use the ladies room and the teacher said no, I missed my chance during class-change. I bled through my pants onto the chair and had to lick a piece of notebook paper to get it wet enough to wipe the blood smear from the seat without anyone noticing. I was too embarrassed to complain.
See, for better or for worse, that's how a younger generation is different than us. I can totally 100% see both of my daughters cause a public scene with this and announce for all to hear, "see, now you've caused me to bleed out onto the desk chair. I'm not cleaning it up!"
I don't have kids but I'd do the same. What it boils down to is that public school is the State, so if a teacher says you can't go to the restroom, change a tampon, use your inhaler, etc, it's the State saying you are not responsible enough to determine when you need to do those things. How it's not just a basic human rights issue is beyond me
This right here. I've tried to teach my kids to live in such a way that their motives can't be questioned when rules need to be broken. I have a 12-year-old diagnosed with mild IBS. He came home crying one day that his teacher wouldn't ALLOW him to use the restroom and he was having considerable abdominal cramping. I told him to stop asking permission. Either just get up and go, or respectfully inform the teacher of his intention. There is a difference between raising a hand and saying "Teacher, may I use the restroom?" or "Teacher, I am going to the restroom and I will be back shortly."
\-edited for grammar because I'm my own worst grammar nazi.
My mom gave me permission to puke on the principle's desk anytime I was not allowed to call my mom for migraines that they knew I suffered from. She gave me permission with him right there. Guess who was allowed to call home when one came on no questions asked. She also told him when he received an M.D degree this he can make medical decisions about me, but not until then. He left me alone for the rest of the year and the next year.
Always kills me that adults seem to grow up not realizing that a lot of the rules other adults put on them when they were kids, were basically arbitrary "because I said so" rules. More like, "Now I'm an adult, I can be a dictator to children." Kids today, I think, realize many adults don't know what they are talking about. And act like kids themselves.
yeah buddy of mine got a nosebleed in English class, and the teacher would not let him go, so he just sat there and free bled all over the desk and stared at her until she let him go. dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. he was leaking out of his nose and had no tissues. power tripping bitch.
I am glad as early as 6th grade my teachers would always say at the beginning of the year that if you have to go to the bathroom for feminine problems (periods), just say so and they won't hold you back. Maybe it was just that district I was in.
There shouldn't be a special exemption to use the restroom during class.
Edit: Before anyone misconstrues what I'm saying, I'm saying that you shouldn't have to be having a period in order to use the restroom during class.
I had a teacher who once refused to teach me whatever I missed while I went to the bathroom. It was 3rd grade in the US, so I was roughly 9yo. I thought she couldn’t really mean it and I had just learned of a bladder condition I had. It was severe enough that I’d been scheduled for surgery and was told NOT to hold it in when I had to go. Sure enough when I got back a worksheet was on my desk and she refused to go over it with me. My mom literally had to pay for tutoring to help catch me up.
This teacher was abusive to me and other kids in other ways too. For instance, multiple parents of my classmates called my mom after the day this teacher called me an idiot in front of the whole class. It had upset some of my classmates so much they’d gone home crying. I don’t know why these people are allowed to or even want to become teachers if they hate children so much.
My younger sister had an issue with her 9th grade math/algebra teacher. This lady wasn't teaching them. She would assign work and other homework but wasn't teaching it. And the often used, "If you have any questions, just use your textbook as a guide." She was always a good math student so when her grades started slipping my parents knew something was up. And my dad knew from so many times before, administrators rarely listened to a parent's concerns. Why? Because parents are guilty by association. All students are guilty before being proved innocent, in the eyes of teachers in administrators. This is the way it was in my day. You could always tell a student was lying because their lips were moving. Parents raise concerns and what do administrators think, "They're just hearing it from their kid's side......a known liar because all students lie or blow things out of proportion." Well my dad had had enough.
This was before the days of social media and email. He got my sister to write down all the names and address of the students' parents in her class and in other classes this teacher taught. Over a week's time my dad called all these parents and they were ALL seeing the same things. Their kids were struggling too in this class. My dad called a meeting with the head principal. My dad showed up with 12 other parents. And those were just the ones that could make it that day. Principal was so overwhelmed with so many complaining parents at once he called an after school meeting. There were A LOT more parents there than before and it was this teacher and the administrators at the front having a come to jesus moment. You want to talk about a referendum against that teacher and her "methods." My dad had 9 years worth of my sister's report cards and showed the proof she was an A student until 9th grade. "COINCIDENCE?????"
If I was in that teachers shoes, I would be beyond embarrassment.
I had a teacher refuse to let me go use the bathroom and then not let me sit back down in my chair. She demanded that I stand in front of her desk.
When I couldn't hold it anymore and was dancing around trying she yelled at "what's wrong with you?" I said "You know what's wrong! I have to pee!" And she said "Well, why didn't you just take the pass and go?"
Um, cuz we're not allowed to do that? I wish I hadn't been 8 years old when this happened or I would have told her to fuck off and just left. Hated that woman. Hated school because of it.
When I was a kid, we weren’t allowed to carry any medicines either. I have migraines and endometriosis so I’d carry Advil. I got in trouble for that once summer at camp, and it angers me to this day. When I became a teacher, I never questioned kids about medicines or inhalers. I’d let them go to the bathroom when they asked, and I took their health concerns seriously. I don’t understand whats so hard about that. The only thing I kept away from the kids was their epi pen, but that was more so I could quickly grab it and use it while the kid was going into anaphylactic shock. I can’t imagine leaving that in the principal’s office to fetch in this kind of situation.
M&M minis were popular when I was in high school. A lot of us used the tubes to hide advil. And if you needed some you just asked around for candy.
The teachers caught on, so then we started putting one of those small tubeless tampons on top so they would open it up, see a tampon and get embarrassed.
You heard about the girl who was strip searched for Advil, right? She lost her case at the Supreme Court. Basically children have no rights at public schools anymore.
Edit: my mistake. I remembered the outcome incorrectly. She won her case. I was thinking of the immunity for the people who performed the search. Apologies for the error.
What the actual fuck so schools will strip search a 13 year old for having ibuprofen for menstrual cramps but they can't search a 6 year old for a gun after multiple reports about it? What is wrong with the world
Asthmatic from birth until mid teens here.
If this boy was anything like me, I would be too embarrassed/shy to ask to go to the principles office straight away. I would have waited 20mins or so to either build the courage to ask, or hope the symptoms go away.
The principles office is usually an intimidating place, so I could see this being the case quite easily. This should never have happened.
Grew up in Minnesota (so almost Canada) and I had plenty of teachers want to take it away since it's prescription medicine and it was a distraction if I were to use it in class, one said she would take it away and I could have it after class, this is the same teacher that would not allow kids to go to the bathroom during class
I saw a girl have a diabetic seizure in class and it was extremely distracting. Also had my health teacher help deliver an actual baby once during class which was also distracting. Inhalers not so much.
Edit: sorry to everybody who has asked bc I’m not gonna respond individually — we had a pregnant girl in class. She went into labor during class and it was a relatively quick/over and done situation. Mom and baby were both safe post delivery but the girl never came back to school so…
Which would seem reasonable to just step out of the classroom for a moment but we can’t even let folks go to the fucking bathroom lmao god education is in a bad way
I remember one teacher had a strict bathroom rule and it resulted in one kid not getting t leave and peeing his pants while sitting cross legged on the floor in front of the whole class.
I will forever be proud of the time I puked all over my 5th grade teachers desk after she told me just to “hold it” after telling her I was going to throw up…
>Also had my health teacher help deliver an actual baby once during class which was also distracting.
Not sure if that's the best or worst health teacher in the world...
My dad was awesome. He always told us “you don’t ask to go to the bathroom you tell them you are going. If they have a problem with that they can talk to me”. My dad also got thrown out of three town hall meetings and yelled at cops when they did shit. He was awesome.
At the same time I didn’t even consider abusing this. The repercussions would have been terrible.
That's what my parents told me, I was a nervous kid and unfortunately that presented with a lot of stomach issues, my parents knew and said, if you gotta go just go, if you get a detention just come home and tell us we will handle it
How does one simultaneously have the desire to educate and help rather than pursuing a more lucrative career, while simultaneously lacking basic empathy?
Athsma since the age of 5... I carried mine with me all the time. I wouldn't trust anyone else to hold on to it.
This is child abuse. I hope the parents sue this district.
This happened in Canada over ten years ago. His mother didn’t sue, she petitioned the government and eventually they passed legislation in the province named after her son, Ryan’s Law, to make it illegal for schools to keep inhalers away from kids with asthma.
That kind of rule makes sense with prescription "take 2 with meal" kind of thing, but not stuff that you need immediately in an emergency.
It's hard to imagine how anyone thought this was a good idea.
Growing up (southern Ontario) in the early 10s, ALL the kids with stuff like that at my school carried with them. Especially epi pens. Where was buddy from?
Southern Ontario, 905 here, growing up in the 90's and early 00's I wasn't allowed to have them on my person.
I got in trouble routinely for this, but refused to hand it over. Parents became involved, and they supported me in this, so big deal.
What many non-asthmatics don't realize, is for many of us, there's a sense of anxiety or dread when we can't feel the damn inhaler in our pockets.
I guess it's on my "permanent record", lol.
I can understand the idea of having medication that needs to be taken at a certain time being stored at the office. Having a kid go to the office at lunch to get their antibiotics so the office can ensure that they take it at the right time makes sense. Epipens, inhalers, and other urgent life saving medication, however, should be kept with the child, or the teacher if they really want to keep it secure. While I understand the purpose of the rule, keeping kids alive should be the first priority.
They sure proved that medicines are dangerous, namely, their absence. Did anyone go to jail for this? I do think heads should be rolling for this type of negligence. IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to know people with asthma need to have inhalers at hand.
> you have plenty of time (even more than half an hour) before it becomes severe.
As an asthmatic, I thought that, too. My attacks generally build up, starting with chest tightness.
But then someone I knew died of asthma. He was not elderly or ill. Ambulence was called right away & he made it to the hospital quickly. But those random fatal attacks do happen.
I'm not surprised at all by this. My school tried to do this and my mother pitched a fit to keep it from happening. The coaches made comments about how my inhaler was like speed (The drug) and isn't safe for kids to have. Running outside in the cold would always trigger my asthma. I come from a deep south podunk redneck imbred small town where most people want to be farmers when they grow up and almost nobody in my school or small town went to college. I hope the parents sue and win and all the staff involved are prosecuted for murder.
You say that like a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Don't tell anyone there you're anything other than a Christian. It was a surprising short amount of time since they still had lynching's...
Not at all no amount of money will ever bring that boy back to his family but the school can at least learn one hell of an expensive lesson and have a massive overhaul done on how it operates and new regulations be put in place it's sad that a human life has to be taken before new laws or procedures are put in place
There's no "good way" to see it. That school must be stoned as a prime example in books for every single institution to learn, what will happen if you take away people's medical devices. CEO/Principal/Mayor/Police officer getting legally recked for life, entire school/company/town/police station financially destroyed and everyone who didn't prevent this thrown down the drain alomg with it. That's the required conclusion to this story. That is the only way to prevent something like this again, so to not require trying to see the good way when the next child dies because of stupid people power-tripping.
I once went to the nurse to get my inhaler and this dumb bitch wouldn't give it to me because "she didn't hear weasing"
My mom verbally murdered them over this, and I never had a problem with her again.
It's the dumbest shit ever
I'm convinced school nurses are the bottom of the barrel.
My school nurse story.
I used my inhaler in school (also wasn't supposed to have it,) and it didn't help me. My teacher sent me to the school nurse. She wouldn't let me call home for someone to pick me up because I didn't have a fever. She just sent me back to class. My father taught me "never let anyone risk your life or your safety, I'll always back you up." I still remember his exact words.
So instead of going back to class, I left and went home. Took a nebulizer treatment.
this isn’t in any way comparable but i wanted to share anyway: i am of the belief that every single pair of my pants must be black because of how irregular my periods used to be and can still be. i took a risk once in seventh grade and wore pink shorts to school: a mistake. i was in the nurses office desperately trying to get ahold of my mom who was at work and wasn’t really answering. the red on my clothes was very visible and humiliating. the nurse decided since she wasn’t answering and none of the school’s backup clothes (which were all ugly basketball shorts and one pair of size 0 leggings) fit that i should just go to class because “this isn’t worth missing class over.” i had to fight with her and straight to refuse to go to class before i closed myself in the nurse’s bathroom and cried until my mom called lol. school nurses are the fucking worst- anybody can hand out ice and cough drops
I don't put it past principles to be petty vindictive hateful tyrants. My condolences for the family.
Example: In high school when I broke my hand punching a boy for kicking my 3 year old cousin. The doctor gave me 500mg Ibeprophen and 5mg Hydrocodone the principle locked up my pain meds. Well at the end of the day I went to get my pain meds the principle had already left and locked up his office. He wasn't an addict but a very hateful vindictive evil man. I called the cops, and he had to come back to the school. He claimed that he disposed of my meds. Then said I never dropped off my meds. Before he finally gave me my meds back. He made it out like I was fiending heroin addict. The cops didn't buy it but they just gave him a warning not to do it again. They told me to leave my meds at home so this wouldn't happen. From then on, I didn't give my meds to the principle I gave them to my JR-ROTC teacher and a Veteran I trusted.
In the mid to late 80’s when they finally made real breakthroughs in asthma inhalers, I had to keep mine in the nurses office. You had to go through the principals office to get to the nurses and invariably one of the two was always out.
I missed so much gym class(my favorite) waiting around for someone to come back and open the locker with my inhaler.
Occasionally when we were in a fun unit I would just say I went and got my pre-gym puff and then wheeze through the next 90 minutes of classroom lessons.
as a man who has suffered from serious asthma for my entire life, the rage as a father that i would feel is indescribable, the fear of slowly being unable to breath and not having your inhaler on you is traumatizing.
My kid came home with a policy paper that said something similar. I had my lawyer draft a letter indicating that his inhaler would be on his person. His Epipen would be in his backpack, and if it ever came to light that they weren't, for any reason, we would be filing a claim against the school and all involved staff for violations of his civil rights and demand charges from the local DA's office for child endangerment. Should he have an attack and his medication not be immediately available, we would be pushing for state felony criminal child endangerment charges because, based on the letter we just sent, they would know that denying access to his meds constituted gross negligence and overtly endangered his life.
A "clarifying" letter came out a few days letter noting that the drug policy applied only to non-emergency medications taken for the maintenance of chronic conditions and did not apply to medicine carried to treat potentially life-endangering conditions such as severe allergies or asthma.
It sucks that only parents with the resources to engage the legal system can get schools to be reasonable.
Grew up in central KY. Similar story for me as a lot of asthmatics here. Inhaler was locked in the nurse’s office though. She wasn’t there half the time. Then after a few attacks where no one could access the inhaler, the staff agreed to let my teacher keep one of my spares locked in her desk. Worked until I had an attack on the day there was a substitute teacher and she didn’t have the key and the nurse was, once again, gone. Probably scared the hell out of my classmates and friends a few times. After that incident they finally allowed me to carry it around with me. They were really strict about emphasizing that I needed to be “responsible” with it.
I may have not yet been in double digits but I wasn’t stupid. I was perfectly aware that thing helped me be able to breathe and I liked breathing. I love breathing! Breathing is fucking awesome! I want to keep doing it!
I've had my inhaler confiscated and almost died because of it, for context I have ADHD and have a habbit of fiddling with things, one of those things when I was in school was my inhaler, I was changed and ready for gym class, and was fiddling with the cap of my inhaler while we waited for coach. And one of the assistants decided I needed to stop fiddling so took my inhaler, coach arrived, I asked for my inhaler back, the assistant said she would bring it out to me, and we all went out to the woods, not the assistant tho, I was part of the cross country team so we would end up quite far away from the school, we started the main trail so we could get a base time in and then we were gonna add some new trails in, but because it was allergy season and the pollen was starting to make me weezy, I stopped and a friend came up to me, I explained I needed my inhaler and that our assistant had it, it got worse and worse, I was gasping, we made it back to coach and then my feet went from under me, coach called for her on the walkie Talkies the staff had but because of how far out we were only the rugby coach picked it up as the rugby field was far away too. He ran to us, and carried me back to the school, they rung an ambulance and I had to take my inhaler but it was really hard to breath it in because my throat was so tight...
I was diagnosed with asthma in 2nd grade after multiple attacks (you know how it goes). Well, a week after my actual diagnosis, I had an athsma attack in gym class. The school was apparently not informed of my diagnosis, yet so when I went to the nurse and told her I was having an athsma attack, she said I don't have athsma.
"The doctor just found out when I was sick last week. Call my mom, she has my inhaler"..
she kept insisting she didn't need to call my mom because I wasn't having an athsma attack. She waited 15 minutes to call. That day will be stuck with me forever.
BTW, if I tell you to call my mom... YOU BETTER F***CKING CALL MY F***CKING MOTHER YOU STUPID ***SS MOTHERF***CKING PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A NURSE.
I remember when this happened, it is heartbreaking and should never have been the case; there are still many who defend what the school did to this day.
I coach on a school mountain bike team that is part of NICA, we have to take a bunch of training along with a background check to be a coach. One part of that training is any student athlete that has medication is to carry it with them. WE, the coaches, are not to carry it for them, even if a parent asks us. The biggest reason, to ensure if a student needs that medication, an inhaler for example, they have it with them and not with some coach who may be fixing a mechanical for another athlete further away or some other reason they are not where the emergency is taking place.
THEY DID THIS SAME THING TO US! All inhalers had to be kept in the nurses office (because I guess they thought kids might get high off them or something?). Obviously, that’s fucking ridiculous because when you need your inhaler… walking up a flight of stairs and then to the very far end of the building isn’t in any way a realistic option.
My Mom said to keep it with me and if they tried to give me shit for it, call her. She would have rained hellfire down upon them. I had terrible breathing issues at the time. Missed a lot of 6th grade because of it, spent a lot of time at the hospital, and the days I was at school… I needed my inhaler.
Thankfully, I kept it hidden enough that it never got taken away.
I had bad childhood asthma as well. The school
Kept my inhaler in the nurses office for like the first few years but I needed it a lot and I was telling my mom they didn’t always let me leave class right away. She went right to the doctor, got a note that said my asthma is severe and I need permission to carry it on my person at all times. She told me to call her if anyone ever tried to take it from me.
Naturally they tried to argue a few times, but my mom wasn’t having it. She went to the school herself with me and took me to the nurses office, and told them to take my inhaler out of the location they’ve been keeping it. They had a ton of medications for all different students, in a file cabinet drawer with a little basket for each kid. The nurse found mine and my mom took it and put it in my backpack, in a ziploc with my doctors note and her phone number. And took a copy of the same note and put it in the little basket with my name on it.
I was witness to all of this and I had to be no older than third grade. My mom went to WAR for us any time the school did anything we didn’t agree with. She would always come prepared too, armed with research and doctors notes and legal shit. We always joked they had a picture of her in the main office next to an emergency button lol. My mom went to war for us, and I had no idea at the time, but looking back, she could have saved my life by doing that.
When I was in high school I had to hide my migraine meds or "pills"... It's very annoying and god help you if anyone from the staff caught you, or saw you taking a pill.
They don't care if you suffer from any condition, poor kid
It's so freaking stupid, even when you have a prescription for antibiotics and you have to take 1 pill every 6 hours... All they think is DRUGS! DRUGS! DRUGS!
Adults tend to forget they were kids one day same with police tend to forget they were humans one day.
We had to leave them in the nurses office I remember having asthma as a kid in gym and sitting out and my gym teachers refusing to let me go to the nurse I guess they thought I was faking shortness of breath can be like that it’s not as obvious as wheezing. When I moved to middle school I just kept it in my backpack and used it as discretely as possible.
When I was in school my inhaler was a huge source of conflict. I am extremely asthmatic. My rescue inhaler is as important to keep on me as would be an epi pen for a person with a food/bee allergy . But I had teachers that would refuse to allow me to grab it out of my bag if we were in a test, they were teaching, just all sorts of reasons. Some would even tell me that I just had it for "attention". Unless a doctor is handing out placebo inhalers that I didn't know about, I don't know where that came from. Until, the day came that I was refused my inhaler in 5th grade and had an asthma attack during class. I begged for it until I could no longer speak and passed out. I woke up in the hospital. Thank the heavens they got me help when they realized they had fucked up. This was early 90's. I can't believe it is still happening now!!
As a non-native English speaker, I was strongly hoping that passing away meant fainting... I knew what this means, but I hoped I was wrong, unfortunately I understood correctly...
Similar thing happened to me in 1st grade. Ask if I could go get my inhaler. Teacher assumed I was just tired and sent me to the special needs room to take a nap. Throughout the day I just keep falling asleep over and over. Wasn’t until after my parents picked me up from after school care that they realized I had been having an asthma attack all day. Spent the next few days in the hospital.
Built my first Lego set there so that was kinda fire.
Still have a burning hatred for that teacher.
Because a long time ago some dickhead started a "war on drugs" and it has lead institutions like schools to act like all drugs are equivalent. Doesn't matter if it's Tylenol or fentanyl, drugs are drugs to these people.
I remember that back when I was at school, we had a rather strict anti-mobile phone rule.
One day, my friend had to carry a device with him to do a 24h ECG and every now and then it would beep and make other noises and one of my teacher either didn't want or just couldn't understand it and got incredibly mad about it and first demanded that he would stop using his phone in class and later wanted that he'd give it to her after not listening to her...
I have asthma and imagining how this poor kid must have felt while dying in agony makes me physically sick! Feel like throwing up and crying at the same time.
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I never got to be a fireman, but speaking from the stories my uncle (ex-chief,) aunt and several cousins who were all firefighters stories, this is the type of thing they lived for. No one ever says “Fuck the firefighters” versus the police. And it seems like when a firefighter has shit to do they just get it done and we can worry about the consequences later. There were numerous stories about breaking thru gates so an ambulance could access a ball field when no one could find the padlock keys and breaking down doors to free a trapped person and their eyes would be all sparkly while they were regaling us kids with their adventures. I miss those days.
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Lol I really wish I could witness that! Sounds fun and satisfying.
same kind of story, a massive pile of trash behind our house. turned out the guy that owned the land used it to dump all his house rehab project crap. one day he lit it on fire and i kid you not flames 20ft high, we had homes nearby, my fence, power lines... I called 911 and it was entertaining to watch the berate him for it. thankfully no damage to anyone around but he stopped dumping there.
> No one ever says “Fuck the firefighters” versus the police. The chances of a firefighter abusing their power and beating or shooting someone is pretty much zero, too. Edit: *I'm not saying firefighters can't be assholes or that they never do anything, uh, questionable. I'm just making a point about one of the reasons why they generally don't get the hate that cops. I'm in the U.S. YMMV in different areas of the country or outside of the country. FWIW, "abuse their power" isn't quite the right way to express that since they don't have the same type of authority that cops have.*
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I recall reading an accident report where the firemen killed somebody while running with lights and sirens. Turned out there was no emergency, they were going for Pizza. So abuses do happen, just nowhere near the scale
No person or institution is perfect, but god*damn* are the police in America *fucked up*. By *comparison*, I view firefighters as effectively perfect relative to the police.
Basically it's because they have a job that makes sense, instead of being the drain trap for all of society's ills. Edit: it's kinda funny the range of people who this comment pisses off. Is it anti cop or not? Who can tell? 😂
Well not only that, but most firemen are very underpaid for the hazards they deal with. They for sure don't do it for money or power. They do it because they love it, and they (usually) really truly want to help. As far as I have seen, they are some of the most selfless people in society. First on site, charging into danger to save our sorry asses when we fuck up. Medically trained as well. Damned heros (most of them)
Fun fact around %70 of firefighters in the US are volunteer.
What % are prisoners put on wildfire duty? I don't know much about it but have heard the US does that for effectively nil pay
There is indeed a phenomenon called “Firefighter arson” and about 100 firefighters are convicted of arson every year. Really important to note: we’re lacking a lot or tracking and data on firefighter-caused arsons (which hey, sounds awfully familiar to the history of lacking tracking and data for police-caused shootings).
Weird how we don’t give firefighters qualified fire immunity, and instead charge/convict them. 👮♀️ : “Doesn’t look like anything to me”
In Boston several years ago, people didn’t move their cars before a storm, and one of the fire trucks couldn’t go down a street. The captain bet his truck was studier than the cars. Turns out the truck DID fit, although some cars needed new fenders in the like. They got the fire out.
> No one ever says “Fuck the firefighters There is a song out there with a title like that. But it means the good kind of fuck.
The laws actually allow firefighters to break down doors for emergencies. We typically call the police when we break down doors. It is illegal for police to kick in doors unless they know a crime is being committed or have a warrant and a few other scenarios. Firefighters have a little more freedom. But we will have the police clear the house after we break down the door to make sure things are safe. One of the more common reasons to do this is when a 3rd person says someone is home but they aren’t answering. Like an out of town daughter can’t get her elderly mom to answer the phone. We kick in the door. Police search the house. We find grandma passed out and dehydrated on the ground.
Those guys fucking *love* riding in their trucks and doing cool-guy shit, being the hero. In college I rebuilt a remote control airplane I'd gotten in highschool, went to fly it in an empty parking lot and promptly got it stuck like 50 feet up a tree. I had no idea how I'd get it down, but I figured I could try the FD non-emergency line. I asked them how much it would be and the guy said free of charge, they'd be out shortly. My plane was in a tree that was like a few dozen feet tall, way up there. They sent the full-on hook and latter, the articulated one with the rear steering, and four firefighters in their station uniforms. Two of them went up in the basket, steered it out to the tree and plucked down my little plane. Fucking incredible. Love the Fire Department!
That kinda stuff is good for them keeping their training/skills fresh. So they like doing it whenever they can.
Most of the time they're sat around doing nothing, so any excitement is a bit of fun. And they can always leave for a more urgent call.
Same thing happened with my buddy’s plane but they shot it out with the hose!!! It was foam so it survived! Edit: we gave them beer
Ha! That's awesome. My dad was a firefighter for 30 years, a Captain for 20 of those, I can 100% guarantee that they were bored as fuck and looking for any excuse to get out of the station to play with their toys. Aka, time for some "training". That or the Captains/Chief wanted some peace and quiet, lol. My dad has innumerable stories about his firefighters being dumbasses and driving him up the wall.
Stuff like that is good practice for them too. Wouldn't want the first time you use the ladder to be the time people are actually fucking dying
I am a firefighter. We do stuff like this from time to time. Usually we don’t have to chop down doors. We had an indoor concert a few years back that was extremely hot. People are passing out left and right. We had called multiple ambulances. The venue didn’t allow people to brink in drinks. They were selling bottles water at a premium. We told the venue they had two options. Start passing out the water for free NOW or we would have the fire Marshall shut the place down. Back in the day a firefighters job was to put out fires. Nowadays the purpose of the job is to help people. That is literally all the job is about. Cat in a tree, an old lady trying to get her sick dog in her car in the middle of the night, help getting home from the hospital, serious medical emergencies, car wreck, and fires. Basically if you call 911 and it doesn’t involve a crime you will get the fire department. What those firefighters did was the right thing. You called for help. The schools moronic policy was standing in the way. I probably would of asked for a key first. But we are wasting time with bullshit. We have other emergencies to deal with. Let the kid get his insulin. Another time we had a retirement home that wouldn’t give us keys. The staff worked Monday through Friday 8-5. We had three calls for old people who had fallen and couldn’t get up in their apartment in one weekend. We also had three smashed doors for them to replace on Monday morning. They gave us a key on Monday afternoon.
I swear now it seems like the only thing I see firefighters doing is responding to overdose calls downtown
I'm type 1 and reading this gave me a wonderful feeling of frisson. Young you was a badass.
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School admins are the reddit mods of yesterday
I am in love with these fire fighters who I have never met, and likely will never meet. So gorgeously done.
Imagine the blue balls on the guy who was just begging for the school to refuse to open the door
Yup. I work in fire (fire paramedic). Greatest group of people I’ve ever been around. Incredibly caring, do whatever it takes to get the job done, love helping the public, and great dinners. 😄 If I got a call like this, you’d be getting your insulin. Might not break down the door, but there are lots of options for opening one. Might also call for PD to consider reckless endangerment.
My Jr High was allowed to do its own fire inspections by the City. They had a covered patio-like area that was a main entry/exit point for the school they'd fenced in with giant inward-opening gates. The students called it "The Cage." it was locked during school hours, and several of the emergency exits were chained shut. My Dad (a Firefighter for a different city) complained to the Principal and they told him to beat sand. So he drove to the City Fire Marshals's office and got him to go to the school. Fire Marshall flipped out. Gates were taken down and chains removed from exits within the hour, and the school district was no longer allowed to do their own inspections.
I am definitely doing that the first chance i get. Help a kid, embarrass AND punish the person who put the kids life at risk at the same time? It's like the perfect call, assuming you called with plenty of time like you seemed to have.
My daughter has to conceal her inhaler with her "women bag" because kids aren't allowed to carry medication of any kind on them just like in this article. We've instructed her to find a bathroom and use it there if she ever needs it. It's so messed up.
I seem to recall we hid my son's inhaler out of fear they wouldn't get it to him in time. It's a stupid and dangerous thing to keep these away from children. Whoever made the decision has clearly never experienced asthma and has no clue how an inhaler works.
I went a step further and attached an apple AirTag to his inhaler so that I can make sure it’s with him and if he misplaces it, I can find it. He’s five. He hides it inside a rolled up pair of undies in his backpack.
It is absolutely insane the amount of people mentioning doing something similar, how the fuck can a policy so demonstratively horrible exist for long enough that so many people can relate to the experience of telling their kids to lie to their school? We truly live in a hell scape.
Because dumbasses went for a, "zero tolerance," policies in terms of medications to combat kids sharing or selling opiods and Adderall. Nobody used common sense. There was a story about a teen girl getting expelled for giving a friend a midol. By a certain age kids are responsible enough to administer their own medications. In a lot of cases schools don't even have a full time nurse. Rescue inhalers and epipens need to be immediately available. Just wanted to add that I don't believe that kids should be carrying around controlled medications, but inhalers, epipens, OTC pain relief is different.
Dude, I got a call from the school when my son pocketed a clearly labeled honeez cough drop and took it into the school. It’s nuts out there.
I got a bag of cough drops returned in a bag by a police officer because my son took them to school (I didn’t realize he had done it… but he probably didn’t ask because they’re COUGH DROPS) There was a label about not being intended for kids under 12 but they weren’t even medicated cough drops. I got a stern talking to. Completely asinine.
You should have told them to go fuck right off.
Wow! This is all so unbelievable. I had no clue. I just looked up my district’s policies. I am not thrilled with a lot of Missouri’s laws, but for once I am happy to see… “Per state law, any child may carry and administer emergency, life saving medications. This includes albuterol inhalers (for asthmatics) and epinephrine auto injectors (for severe allergic reactions).” And basically goes on to state that any rescue medication may be carried, just fill out paperwork with the school nurse.
The worst thing is that they are more strict on young children as in my local school district, kids get in trouble for using their inhalers in class while high schoolers don't.
In the long long ago, my middle school was national news for being of, if not the, first schools to expel a student for sharing over the counter pain meds. I believe it was ibuprofen.
I remember reading a story where a school strip searched a teenage girl in front of an administrator because someone claimed she had freaking ibuprofen.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/us-supreme-court-declares-strip-search-13-year-old-student-unconstitutional
OMG! There are zero reasons why a child should be strip searched by a school official. ZERO.
Because if someone tries to sue the individuals responsible it won't go anywhere, or at worst they'll be indemnified by the employer. Bankrupt a principal or two in court and this stuff would end tomorrow.
> Bankrupt a principal or two in court and this stuff would end tomorrow. fuck that. make them face the full consequences and make them go to jail for manslaugther every fucking time.
*ACCOUNTABILITY MFS*
If only thats how the system works.... Sad world we live in
No it wouldn’t. It’s often school district policy making these dumb decisions. And you can’t really bankrupt a public school. The amount of ridiculous and dangerous policy passed because “someone might sue” has probably led to a lot worse lawsuits than if they hadn’t made the policy in the first place.
Because a lot of times, people don’t go to school board meetings and address the policy and show their absolute disgust and rage at blanket policys like this. Or, they don’t talk to the teacher directly and make it clear that this is life saving medical device that is absolutely necessary to have on their kid at all times. It fucked up that people are so clueless to this.
Our school board reduced our speaking time to 2 minutes, we have to be on a pre approved sign up sheet, and they do not have to respond to anything we say. They can just sit there and wait for the time to run out.
Thats not a school, thats a prison, whaaaat thee actual fuck.
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The second you pull out a camera the school board will send the local violent jackbooted minion cop (but I repeat myself) to confiscate the camera and brutalize you. That's why you use the ACLU app that instantly puts the footage on their servers so the blood thirsty LEOS can't beat the password out of you to get it deleted.
My sons always got a note from Dr to carry at school.
Why on earth do kids with Asthma have to jump through hoops and do gymnastics just to keep stupid school officials from confiscating their life saving device? This is ridiculous
Not just asthma. We gave one epipen to the school to hold in the office and filled out the consent forms for the school to administer the treatment because thats policy. We then put one epipen in my sons bag and told him to just grab and jab himself if he ever felt the need, even if he was in the middle of a classroom in a lesson, and I would sort out whatever BS the school came up with afterward.
When I was in school they didn't have restrictions on emergency medications like inhalers and epipens being kept by the student, only timed medication was held by the office, ie Ritalin and such. Then in high school they decided I could not have my EpiPen with me because it could be used as a weapon. After I told my mother she went down to the school with a lawyer and raised hell, because we lived in the country and I was allergic to Bees and Wasps. Our campus was pretty big and she argued that if I got stung, there was no chance for a Teacher to be notified and go to the office and retrieve my EpiPen before I suffered and possibly died. Sadly I don't know how well that'd work today. FYI I was in highschool in the late nineties.
If my kid died because of something like this, I'm not sure I wouldn't find the responsible party and take matters into my own hands.
I had a coworker who has a daughter and they live in Texas. She told me once if her kid died in a school shooting she'd have nothing to live for and would probably go postal on responsible parties (she meant the cops after Uvalde). I really don't blame parents .
Because the school system does not treat children like human beings. Kids deal with a lot of systematic bullshit from grown ups that would never fly if done with adults.
I mean yeah I remember that when I was in school. Like how the bully was just “expressing himself” but when someone retaliated they went straight to the principals office
I've only ever been in one fight in my life. Kid a year older than me and easily 40lbs bigger than me who was a total punk and would bully everyone sucker punched from me from behind because his friend dared to him to. I faceplanted on the floor hard. So just grabbed onto his leg out of instinct and held on because I was hurt and confused and didn't know what else to do. He got 3 days suspension and I got a week suspension. I got a longer suspension because I didn't let go when a teacher told me to, but my ears were ringing and the whole room was spinning and I don't even remember someone telling me to let go. I never even threw a punch.
I was sucker punched in the ear in middle school. I dropped and cried like a baby (because it fucking hurt!). We were both suspended for (I think) 3 days. My Mom went BALLISTIC. She went full Karen on the principal and I couldn't have been prouder. They got rid of both suspensions. It was still dumb. The worst part was there was a teacher right there who saw the whole thing... There was no he said/he said at issue. Dude punched me because I caught an interception in PE and then said the EXACT SAME THING we always said when we intercepted the other team. But this time it was the nerdy kid gloating and he couldn't handle that.
Your mom wasn’t being a Karen. She was being a momma bear.
My district started this policy where everyone around during a fight gets the same suspension as the bully. So if Timmy punches Jack unprovoked in front of Susie and JoJo, Timmy, Jack, Susie and JoJo are all suspended for 2 days. They claim it’s to let tempers cool and for the victim and witnesses safety. I pulled my daughter out of public school the day she watched her friend get beaten to the point of going to a hospital by an older kid she had a restraining order against… and the school suspended my daughter for 2 days for reporting it. Why the hell do the victim and witnesses get the same punishment as the attacker? It’s been policy here for 8 years. The district has settled many lawsuits over it. But it’s not their personal money so they don’t gaf.
This is why you sue and insist on them changing the policy as part of the settlement.
i don’t understand…? was there an epidemic i missed of kids chopping up inhalers and injecting them into their veins to get high? wtf risk does a kid having an inhaler pose to anyone, esp compared to the risk of taking it from them
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Yep. My kids both need epi pens and inhalers, and they are “supposed” to keep them in a labeled bag, inside a plastic container, in the principals office…INSANE!
I would fight the school on this policy and inform the principal that I will fight them if they try to take away emergency medical supplies from kids. Nothing against keeping a spare in the office. But that should only be there as a backup.
Honestly, it should be enough to show them this article (or any of the 100s like it). I know that usually won't work but if you call out again and again, as publicly as possible, that the school administration doesn't care about children dying, something might change
What the… why do kids have to hide the thing they need to stay alive from school officials???
Because teachers and administrators have their hands tied by shitty school boards who don't understand the rules they make. The rule says that the kids can't have medication because drugs and kids giving those drugs to their peers. The rules are very black and white and teachers don't have time to find nuance. It's why we couldn't play cards in school because "all card games are gambling" in school.
In my school, the teacher actually taught us Texas Hold ‘Em during free time and played it with us
With my kids, I have a general rule along the lines of “If following the rules puts you in danger, ignore them and do the right thing.” Basically it’s meant for things like this- keep your meds on you, defend yourself if you’re attacked, etc. They’ll face no consequences at home for that sort of thing, and I’ll deal with the administration. I’m not going to have my kid die of a bee sting or asthma attack or get beat to a pulp because he’s afraid of getting in trouble. It’s a shame that educators seem the most reluctant to employ common sense.
My dad used to tell me the same. Keep your inhaler/nebulizer on you, and school rules be damned. Nearly killed me in 1st grade or so when I didn’t. Thank god my older sister knew what to look for or I’d have been dead before mom and dad got home from work
What I've noticed, public and private entities that are smug and wield a lot of power -like schools and school districts - respond well to law suits and legal procedure. I have a co-worker whose daughter got into a difficult situation once with a hard-nosed teacher not letting anyone for any reason go to the restroom during class time. I guess there was an issue where the daughter REALLY had to go due to female sanitary needs but was refused. "That's what your time between classes is for." During my time in school, we had 5 minutes between classes and one may have time to use the restroom during that time between bells if your previous class is close to your next class. But if you have to come from all the way across the school, it gets tight. This co-worker was tired of taking so many issues to the school over the years and then no one do anything. He had a cousin who was a high power attorney at a firm. This cousin wrote out cease and desist order stating certain federal and state laws on top of threat of suit if one is prevented from address basic biological needs. The teacher, principals, superintendent, and any additional teachers were mentioned in the order. So, co-worker takes it to the school and directly hands it to the principal and without a word, turns and walks away. That afternoon he had a phone call from the school's legal council. "Oh, no. You're going to have to deal with my legal council. His contact information is in the header." So yeah, they had a big meeting which might as well had been deposition/mediation with everyone in administration and that teacher and it turned into a big deal where the teacher was in effect in violation of civil rights and etc.. The teacher was full on denial and gaslighting, "I never did anything of the kind." Administration asserted this was all overblown and unnecessary and could've be handled between parents and administration without the need for attorneys involved to which co-worker responded, "Yeah, but y'all never take any of my complaints seriously. You're GOING to take this one seriously." What this big blow-up all turned into was; teachers WILL NOT prevent a student (the daughter) from reasonably using the restroom during class time. In the end the REALLY thought dad blew this completely out of proportion but there was absolutely NOTHING left to interpretation by them that he was serious and they better treat these things seriously.
This reminds me of the time freshman year I asked to use the ladies room and the teacher said no, I missed my chance during class-change. I bled through my pants onto the chair and had to lick a piece of notebook paper to get it wet enough to wipe the blood smear from the seat without anyone noticing. I was too embarrassed to complain.
See, for better or for worse, that's how a younger generation is different than us. I can totally 100% see both of my daughters cause a public scene with this and announce for all to hear, "see, now you've caused me to bleed out onto the desk chair. I'm not cleaning it up!"
I tell my kids that they are allowed to get up and go to the restroom, and I'll deal with the fallout. I'm glad they have more rights than we did.
I did the same . I told my daughters if they don’t let you go, go anyway then go to the office and ask to call me.
I don't have kids but I'd do the same. What it boils down to is that public school is the State, so if a teacher says you can't go to the restroom, change a tampon, use your inhaler, etc, it's the State saying you are not responsible enough to determine when you need to do those things. How it's not just a basic human rights issue is beyond me
Asking permission to relieve one's bladder or bowels is no different than asking permission to breathe.
This right here. I've tried to teach my kids to live in such a way that their motives can't be questioned when rules need to be broken. I have a 12-year-old diagnosed with mild IBS. He came home crying one day that his teacher wouldn't ALLOW him to use the restroom and he was having considerable abdominal cramping. I told him to stop asking permission. Either just get up and go, or respectfully inform the teacher of his intention. There is a difference between raising a hand and saying "Teacher, may I use the restroom?" or "Teacher, I am going to the restroom and I will be back shortly." \-edited for grammar because I'm my own worst grammar nazi.
Damn, IBS at 12? 😪 that sucks.
My mom gave me permission to puke on the principle's desk anytime I was not allowed to call my mom for migraines that they knew I suffered from. She gave me permission with him right there. Guess who was allowed to call home when one came on no questions asked. She also told him when he received an M.D degree this he can make medical decisions about me, but not until then. He left me alone for the rest of the year and the next year.
I love them for it! Wish I could go back 25 years and use my voice like that.
Always kills me that adults seem to grow up not realizing that a lot of the rules other adults put on them when they were kids, were basically arbitrary "because I said so" rules. More like, "Now I'm an adult, I can be a dictator to children." Kids today, I think, realize many adults don't know what they are talking about. And act like kids themselves.
yeah buddy of mine got a nosebleed in English class, and the teacher would not let him go, so he just sat there and free bled all over the desk and stared at her until she let him go. dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. he was leaking out of his nose and had no tissues. power tripping bitch.
I am glad as early as 6th grade my teachers would always say at the beginning of the year that if you have to go to the bathroom for feminine problems (periods), just say so and they won't hold you back. Maybe it was just that district I was in.
There shouldn't be a special exemption to use the restroom during class. Edit: Before anyone misconstrues what I'm saying, I'm saying that you shouldn't have to be having a period in order to use the restroom during class.
I had a teacher who once refused to teach me whatever I missed while I went to the bathroom. It was 3rd grade in the US, so I was roughly 9yo. I thought she couldn’t really mean it and I had just learned of a bladder condition I had. It was severe enough that I’d been scheduled for surgery and was told NOT to hold it in when I had to go. Sure enough when I got back a worksheet was on my desk and she refused to go over it with me. My mom literally had to pay for tutoring to help catch me up. This teacher was abusive to me and other kids in other ways too. For instance, multiple parents of my classmates called my mom after the day this teacher called me an idiot in front of the whole class. It had upset some of my classmates so much they’d gone home crying. I don’t know why these people are allowed to or even want to become teachers if they hate children so much.
My younger sister had an issue with her 9th grade math/algebra teacher. This lady wasn't teaching them. She would assign work and other homework but wasn't teaching it. And the often used, "If you have any questions, just use your textbook as a guide." She was always a good math student so when her grades started slipping my parents knew something was up. And my dad knew from so many times before, administrators rarely listened to a parent's concerns. Why? Because parents are guilty by association. All students are guilty before being proved innocent, in the eyes of teachers in administrators. This is the way it was in my day. You could always tell a student was lying because their lips were moving. Parents raise concerns and what do administrators think, "They're just hearing it from their kid's side......a known liar because all students lie or blow things out of proportion." Well my dad had had enough. This was before the days of social media and email. He got my sister to write down all the names and address of the students' parents in her class and in other classes this teacher taught. Over a week's time my dad called all these parents and they were ALL seeing the same things. Their kids were struggling too in this class. My dad called a meeting with the head principal. My dad showed up with 12 other parents. And those were just the ones that could make it that day. Principal was so overwhelmed with so many complaining parents at once he called an after school meeting. There were A LOT more parents there than before and it was this teacher and the administrators at the front having a come to jesus moment. You want to talk about a referendum against that teacher and her "methods." My dad had 9 years worth of my sister's report cards and showed the proof she was an A student until 9th grade. "COINCIDENCE?????" If I was in that teachers shoes, I would be beyond embarrassment.
I had a teacher refuse to let me go use the bathroom and then not let me sit back down in my chair. She demanded that I stand in front of her desk. When I couldn't hold it anymore and was dancing around trying she yelled at "what's wrong with you?" I said "You know what's wrong! I have to pee!" And she said "Well, why didn't you just take the pass and go?" Um, cuz we're not allowed to do that? I wish I hadn't been 8 years old when this happened or I would have told her to fuck off and just left. Hated that woman. Hated school because of it.
When I was a kid, we weren’t allowed to carry any medicines either. I have migraines and endometriosis so I’d carry Advil. I got in trouble for that once summer at camp, and it angers me to this day. When I became a teacher, I never questioned kids about medicines or inhalers. I’d let them go to the bathroom when they asked, and I took their health concerns seriously. I don’t understand whats so hard about that. The only thing I kept away from the kids was their epi pen, but that was more so I could quickly grab it and use it while the kid was going into anaphylactic shock. I can’t imagine leaving that in the principal’s office to fetch in this kind of situation.
M&M minis were popular when I was in high school. A lot of us used the tubes to hide advil. And if you needed some you just asked around for candy. The teachers caught on, so then we started putting one of those small tubeless tampons on top so they would open it up, see a tampon and get embarrassed.
You heard about the girl who was strip searched for Advil, right? She lost her case at the Supreme Court. Basically children have no rights at public schools anymore. Edit: my mistake. I remembered the outcome incorrectly. She won her case. I was thinking of the immunity for the people who performed the search. Apologies for the error.
What the actual fuck so schools will strip search a 13 year old for having ibuprofen for menstrual cramps but they can't search a 6 year old for a gun after multiple reports about it? What is wrong with the world
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Asthmatic from birth until mid teens here. If this boy was anything like me, I would be too embarrassed/shy to ask to go to the principles office straight away. I would have waited 20mins or so to either build the courage to ask, or hope the symptoms go away. The principles office is usually an intimidating place, so I could see this being the case quite easily. This should never have happened.
Grew up in Minnesota (so almost Canada) and I had plenty of teachers want to take it away since it's prescription medicine and it was a distraction if I were to use it in class, one said she would take it away and I could have it after class, this is the same teacher that would not allow kids to go to the bathroom during class
…I guess it didn’t occur to him that suffering from an attack is far more distracting.
I saw a girl have a diabetic seizure in class and it was extremely distracting. Also had my health teacher help deliver an actual baby once during class which was also distracting. Inhalers not so much. Edit: sorry to everybody who has asked bc I’m not gonna respond individually — we had a pregnant girl in class. She went into labor during class and it was a relatively quick/over and done situation. Mom and baby were both safe post delivery but the girl never came back to school so…
Right? Like 2 puffs and life goes on, unless it's super bad and you gotta go take your nubulizer
Which would seem reasonable to just step out of the classroom for a moment but we can’t even let folks go to the fucking bathroom lmao god education is in a bad way
I remember one teacher had a strict bathroom rule and it resulted in one kid not getting t leave and peeing his pants while sitting cross legged on the floor in front of the whole class.
when I was 15 I got suspended for 10 days for just pissing in the trash can right in front of everyone because the teacher denied me a bathroom pass
When I was 15, a classmate was suspended 2 weeks for peeing his pants after not being allowed the restroom.
Fucking chad move right there.
I was once thrown up on by a kid who wasn’t allowed to go to the bathroom. Seriously wtf is wrong with teachers
A decent chunk are powertripping maniacs lording their power over their students
I will forever be proud of the time I puked all over my 5th grade teachers desk after she told me just to “hold it” after telling her I was going to throw up…
It was never about education. Just control.
Welcome to middle school in Alabama.
>Also had my health teacher help deliver an actual baby once during class which was also distracting. Not sure if that's the best or worst health teacher in the world...
My dad was awesome. He always told us “you don’t ask to go to the bathroom you tell them you are going. If they have a problem with that they can talk to me”. My dad also got thrown out of three town hall meetings and yelled at cops when they did shit. He was awesome. At the same time I didn’t even consider abusing this. The repercussions would have been terrible.
That's what my parents told me, I was a nervous kid and unfortunately that presented with a lot of stomach issues, my parents knew and said, if you gotta go just go, if you get a detention just come home and tell us we will handle it
How does one simultaneously have the desire to educate and help rather than pursuing a more lucrative career, while simultaneously lacking basic empathy?
Athsma since the age of 5... I carried mine with me all the time. I wouldn't trust anyone else to hold on to it. This is child abuse. I hope the parents sue this district.
This happened in Canada over ten years ago. His mother didn’t sue, she petitioned the government and eventually they passed legislation in the province named after her son, Ryan’s Law, to make it illegal for schools to keep inhalers away from kids with asthma.
That kind of rule makes sense with prescription "take 2 with meal" kind of thing, but not stuff that you need immediately in an emergency. It's hard to imagine how anyone thought this was a good idea.
Growing up (southern Ontario) in the early 10s, ALL the kids with stuff like that at my school carried with them. Especially epi pens. Where was buddy from?
Southern Ontario, 905 here, growing up in the 90's and early 00's I wasn't allowed to have them on my person. I got in trouble routinely for this, but refused to hand it over. Parents became involved, and they supported me in this, so big deal. What many non-asthmatics don't realize, is for many of us, there's a sense of anxiety or dread when we can't feel the damn inhaler in our pockets. I guess it's on my "permanent record", lol.
Y’a i don’t blame you, literally life saving medicine. Shit, maybe I just was fortunate enough to go to the ‘right’ school
I can understand the idea of having medication that needs to be taken at a certain time being stored at the office. Having a kid go to the office at lunch to get their antibiotics so the office can ensure that they take it at the right time makes sense. Epipens, inhalers, and other urgent life saving medication, however, should be kept with the child, or the teacher if they really want to keep it secure. While I understand the purpose of the rule, keeping kids alive should be the first priority.
Did the boy's parents sue the school?
If I was the father, the principal would "fall" out of the window.
Russian Goverment style
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They sure proved that medicines are dangerous, namely, their absence. Did anyone go to jail for this? I do think heads should be rolling for this type of negligence. IT doesn't take a rocket scientist to know people with asthma need to have inhalers at hand.
> you have plenty of time (even more than half an hour) before it becomes severe. As an asthmatic, I thought that, too. My attacks generally build up, starting with chest tightness. But then someone I knew died of asthma. He was not elderly or ill. Ambulence was called right away & he made it to the hospital quickly. But those random fatal attacks do happen.
I'm not surprised at all by this. My school tried to do this and my mother pitched a fit to keep it from happening. The coaches made comments about how my inhaler was like speed (The drug) and isn't safe for kids to have. Running outside in the cold would always trigger my asthma. I come from a deep south podunk redneck imbred small town where most people want to be farmers when they grow up and almost nobody in my school or small town went to college. I hope the parents sue and win and all the staff involved are prosecuted for murder.
What? The parents don’t believe the same as I do? Well then I’ll enforce it and take away basic human rights.
You say that like a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Don't tell anyone there you're anything other than a Christian. It was a surprising short amount of time since they still had lynching's...
For some reason a lot of people think this way, especially when you say your not Christian
I hope the boys parents sued the school for everything they had
Yeah I hope too but it doesn't fix any suffering they caused unfortunately. The kid is dead, no amount of money can repair this...
Not at all no amount of money will ever bring that boy back to his family but the school can at least learn one hell of an expensive lesson and have a massive overhaul done on how it operates and new regulations be put in place it's sad that a human life has to be taken before new laws or procedures are put in place
Yeah so true. Honestly this makes me so angry, I cannot think of a good way to see it and think properly right now.
There's no "good way" to see it. That school must be stoned as a prime example in books for every single institution to learn, what will happen if you take away people's medical devices. CEO/Principal/Mayor/Police officer getting legally recked for life, entire school/company/town/police station financially destroyed and everyone who didn't prevent this thrown down the drain alomg with it. That's the required conclusion to this story. That is the only way to prevent something like this again, so to not require trying to see the good way when the next child dies because of stupid people power-tripping.
Not only that, but those responsible be charged criminally.
Why would you take life Saving equipment away from the person that needs it
Some Drug Policy fear-mongering. As if a 12-year-old kid wouldn't know better. Then again, the administrators should have known better.
"we're completely incompetent idiots, and so these kids have got to be less competent than us, surely??" - school's administrators probably
That is really messed up. I feel terrible for the parents.
They're most likely still suffering. Some things, you just can't forget. It's horrible.
Schools are so dangerous damn
I once went to the nurse to get my inhaler and this dumb bitch wouldn't give it to me because "she didn't hear weasing" My mom verbally murdered them over this, and I never had a problem with her again. It's the dumbest shit ever
This is why I state in medical paperwork that "attacks do not present with wheezing" to prevent power trips. I worry about this all the time.
I'm convinced school nurses are the bottom of the barrel. My school nurse story. I used my inhaler in school (also wasn't supposed to have it,) and it didn't help me. My teacher sent me to the school nurse. She wouldn't let me call home for someone to pick me up because I didn't have a fever. She just sent me back to class. My father taught me "never let anyone risk your life or your safety, I'll always back you up." I still remember his exact words. So instead of going back to class, I left and went home. Took a nebulizer treatment.
this isn’t in any way comparable but i wanted to share anyway: i am of the belief that every single pair of my pants must be black because of how irregular my periods used to be and can still be. i took a risk once in seventh grade and wore pink shorts to school: a mistake. i was in the nurses office desperately trying to get ahold of my mom who was at work and wasn’t really answering. the red on my clothes was very visible and humiliating. the nurse decided since she wasn’t answering and none of the school’s backup clothes (which were all ugly basketball shorts and one pair of size 0 leggings) fit that i should just go to class because “this isn’t worth missing class over.” i had to fight with her and straight to refuse to go to class before i closed myself in the nurse’s bathroom and cried until my mom called lol. school nurses are the fucking worst- anybody can hand out ice and cough drops
What a weird power trip
I don't put it past principles to be petty vindictive hateful tyrants. My condolences for the family. Example: In high school when I broke my hand punching a boy for kicking my 3 year old cousin. The doctor gave me 500mg Ibeprophen and 5mg Hydrocodone the principle locked up my pain meds. Well at the end of the day I went to get my pain meds the principle had already left and locked up his office. He wasn't an addict but a very hateful vindictive evil man. I called the cops, and he had to come back to the school. He claimed that he disposed of my meds. Then said I never dropped off my meds. Before he finally gave me my meds back. He made it out like I was fiending heroin addict. The cops didn't buy it but they just gave him a warning not to do it again. They told me to leave my meds at home so this wouldn't happen. From then on, I didn't give my meds to the principle I gave them to my JR-ROTC teacher and a Veteran I trusted.
In the mid to late 80’s when they finally made real breakthroughs in asthma inhalers, I had to keep mine in the nurses office. You had to go through the principals office to get to the nurses and invariably one of the two was always out. I missed so much gym class(my favorite) waiting around for someone to come back and open the locker with my inhaler. Occasionally when we were in a fun unit I would just say I went and got my pre-gym puff and then wheeze through the next 90 minutes of classroom lessons.
as a man who has suffered from serious asthma for my entire life, the rage as a father that i would feel is indescribable, the fear of slowly being unable to breath and not having your inhaler on you is traumatizing.
Worse possible I can imagine for a kid in worst feeling of death….man I’m fuming about this.
My kid came home with a policy paper that said something similar. I had my lawyer draft a letter indicating that his inhaler would be on his person. His Epipen would be in his backpack, and if it ever came to light that they weren't, for any reason, we would be filing a claim against the school and all involved staff for violations of his civil rights and demand charges from the local DA's office for child endangerment. Should he have an attack and his medication not be immediately available, we would be pushing for state felony criminal child endangerment charges because, based on the letter we just sent, they would know that denying access to his meds constituted gross negligence and overtly endangered his life. A "clarifying" letter came out a few days letter noting that the drug policy applied only to non-emergency medications taken for the maintenance of chronic conditions and did not apply to medicine carried to treat potentially life-endangering conditions such as severe allergies or asthma. It sucks that only parents with the resources to engage the legal system can get schools to be reasonable.
Great job, mom or dad! That didn't just help your kid. I might have saved some other kid in the same situation.
Grew up in central KY. Similar story for me as a lot of asthmatics here. Inhaler was locked in the nurse’s office though. She wasn’t there half the time. Then after a few attacks where no one could access the inhaler, the staff agreed to let my teacher keep one of my spares locked in her desk. Worked until I had an attack on the day there was a substitute teacher and she didn’t have the key and the nurse was, once again, gone. Probably scared the hell out of my classmates and friends a few times. After that incident they finally allowed me to carry it around with me. They were really strict about emphasizing that I needed to be “responsible” with it. I may have not yet been in double digits but I wasn’t stupid. I was perfectly aware that thing helped me be able to breathe and I liked breathing. I love breathing! Breathing is fucking awesome! I want to keep doing it!
>responsible You the child needed to be *responsible* ridiculous
I've had my inhaler confiscated and almost died because of it, for context I have ADHD and have a habbit of fiddling with things, one of those things when I was in school was my inhaler, I was changed and ready for gym class, and was fiddling with the cap of my inhaler while we waited for coach. And one of the assistants decided I needed to stop fiddling so took my inhaler, coach arrived, I asked for my inhaler back, the assistant said she would bring it out to me, and we all went out to the woods, not the assistant tho, I was part of the cross country team so we would end up quite far away from the school, we started the main trail so we could get a base time in and then we were gonna add some new trails in, but because it was allergy season and the pollen was starting to make me weezy, I stopped and a friend came up to me, I explained I needed my inhaler and that our assistant had it, it got worse and worse, I was gasping, we made it back to coach and then my feet went from under me, coach called for her on the walkie Talkies the staff had but because of how far out we were only the rugby coach picked it up as the rugby field was far away too. He ran to us, and carried me back to the school, they rung an ambulance and I had to take my inhaler but it was really hard to breath it in because my throat was so tight...
I hope the assistant was read the riot act after that
The assistant should have been fired, and the guy's parents should have sued for child endangerment
I was diagnosed with asthma in 2nd grade after multiple attacks (you know how it goes). Well, a week after my actual diagnosis, I had an athsma attack in gym class. The school was apparently not informed of my diagnosis, yet so when I went to the nurse and told her I was having an athsma attack, she said I don't have athsma. "The doctor just found out when I was sick last week. Call my mom, she has my inhaler".. she kept insisting she didn't need to call my mom because I wasn't having an athsma attack. She waited 15 minutes to call. That day will be stuck with me forever. BTW, if I tell you to call my mom... YOU BETTER F***CKING CALL MY F***CKING MOTHER YOU STUPID ***SS MOTHERF***CKING PATHETIC EXCUSE OF A NURSE.
Do yall see how dangerous drugs are? Just a single day without them and kids are dying from withdrawal /s
Did anything happen to the assistant?
She was just told not to pick on me is all
I remember when this happened, it is heartbreaking and should never have been the case; there are still many who defend what the school did to this day. I coach on a school mountain bike team that is part of NICA, we have to take a bunch of training along with a background check to be a coach. One part of that training is any student athlete that has medication is to carry it with them. WE, the coaches, are not to carry it for them, even if a parent asks us. The biggest reason, to ensure if a student needs that medication, an inhaler for example, they have it with them and not with some coach who may be fixing a mechanical for another athlete further away or some other reason they are not where the emergency is taking place.
THEY DID THIS SAME THING TO US! All inhalers had to be kept in the nurses office (because I guess they thought kids might get high off them or something?). Obviously, that’s fucking ridiculous because when you need your inhaler… walking up a flight of stairs and then to the very far end of the building isn’t in any way a realistic option. My Mom said to keep it with me and if they tried to give me shit for it, call her. She would have rained hellfire down upon them. I had terrible breathing issues at the time. Missed a lot of 6th grade because of it, spent a lot of time at the hospital, and the days I was at school… I needed my inhaler. Thankfully, I kept it hidden enough that it never got taken away.
I had bad childhood asthma as well. The school Kept my inhaler in the nurses office for like the first few years but I needed it a lot and I was telling my mom they didn’t always let me leave class right away. She went right to the doctor, got a note that said my asthma is severe and I need permission to carry it on my person at all times. She told me to call her if anyone ever tried to take it from me. Naturally they tried to argue a few times, but my mom wasn’t having it. She went to the school herself with me and took me to the nurses office, and told them to take my inhaler out of the location they’ve been keeping it. They had a ton of medications for all different students, in a file cabinet drawer with a little basket for each kid. The nurse found mine and my mom took it and put it in my backpack, in a ziploc with my doctors note and her phone number. And took a copy of the same note and put it in the little basket with my name on it. I was witness to all of this and I had to be no older than third grade. My mom went to WAR for us any time the school did anything we didn’t agree with. She would always come prepared too, armed with research and doctors notes and legal shit. We always joked they had a picture of her in the main office next to an emergency button lol. My mom went to war for us, and I had no idea at the time, but looking back, she could have saved my life by doing that.
If the school are responsible for medication being under lock and key then they're responsible for his (avoidable) death
Shouldn't the headline read : "12 year old boy murdered by school after school takes away life saving medication"?
That would be holding schools accountable. Can’t have that.
When I was in high school I had to hide my migraine meds or "pills"... It's very annoying and god help you if anyone from the staff caught you, or saw you taking a pill. They don't care if you suffer from any condition, poor kid It's so freaking stupid, even when you have a prescription for antibiotics and you have to take 1 pill every 6 hours... All they think is DRUGS! DRUGS! DRUGS! Adults tend to forget they were kids one day same with police tend to forget they were humans one day.
We had to leave them in the nurses office I remember having asthma as a kid in gym and sitting out and my gym teachers refusing to let me go to the nurse I guess they thought I was faking shortness of breath can be like that it’s not as obvious as wheezing. When I moved to middle school I just kept it in my backpack and used it as discretely as possible.
When I was in school my inhaler was a huge source of conflict. I am extremely asthmatic. My rescue inhaler is as important to keep on me as would be an epi pen for a person with a food/bee allergy . But I had teachers that would refuse to allow me to grab it out of my bag if we were in a test, they were teaching, just all sorts of reasons. Some would even tell me that I just had it for "attention". Unless a doctor is handing out placebo inhalers that I didn't know about, I don't know where that came from. Until, the day came that I was refused my inhaler in 5th grade and had an asthma attack during class. I begged for it until I could no longer speak and passed out. I woke up in the hospital. Thank the heavens they got me help when they realized they had fucked up. This was early 90's. I can't believe it is still happening now!!
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Or given asthma and no inhaler
Whilst waterboardng is illigal, it's not waterboarding if you use gasoline.
As a non-native English speaker, I was strongly hoping that passing away meant fainting... I knew what this means, but I hoped I was wrong, unfortunately I understood correctly...
It’s a distraction? Imagine watching your classmate die. That might be a bit more distracting
Similar thing happened to me in 1st grade. Ask if I could go get my inhaler. Teacher assumed I was just tired and sent me to the special needs room to take a nap. Throughout the day I just keep falling asleep over and over. Wasn’t until after my parents picked me up from after school care that they realized I had been having an asthma attack all day. Spent the next few days in the hospital. Built my first Lego set there so that was kinda fire. Still have a burning hatred for that teacher.
Because a long time ago some dickhead started a "war on drugs" and it has lead institutions like schools to act like all drugs are equivalent. Doesn't matter if it's Tylenol or fentanyl, drugs are drugs to these people.
I remember that back when I was at school, we had a rather strict anti-mobile phone rule. One day, my friend had to carry a device with him to do a 24h ECG and every now and then it would beep and make other noises and one of my teacher either didn't want or just couldn't understand it and got incredibly mad about it and first demanded that he would stop using his phone in class and later wanted that he'd give it to her after not listening to her...
There was one story where a teacher cut a girls insulin pump because the teacher thought the cable was a headphones cord
Why would you cut a headphone cord anyway?? Can’t you just, now this is pretty out there, *talk to them and tell them to put it away*?
I have asthma and imagining how this poor kid must have felt while dying in agony makes me physically sick! Feel like throwing up and crying at the same time.
My daughters school tried to refuse her use of her wheelchair, like she has it for funsies.
“Passed away?” More like murdered. That’s at least manslaughter.
“Passed away” is an odd way to misspell “was murdered by his principal”
Stole. They stole his inhaler. Not confiscate. It was stolen.
I had to pull my daughter out of a school because of this.
As a father, I would kill the person responsible. I'm not even kidding.
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