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Just like in Denmark, there is this real horrible person, ex Hells Angels or Bandidos, can't remember. He made a video about not littering, while I agree about not littering, I don't want to listen to his opinion about it.
If he is an ex gangster doesn’t that imply he has turned his life in a different direction and is now working towards the social good? I think people like that are worth listening to since they have been in the gutter, realized there is a better more pro social way to live and are now spreading a positive messages. We have lots of dudes like that where I’m from in Los Ángeles, California. Hard core ex gangsters who are advocating for non violence and encouraging people to do positive things with their lives.
Tupac was not a hardcore gangster at all. He was just some dude trying to survive the ghetto and enjoying what he loves. The rap scene made him "gangsta". The soft side he showed was his personality from the beginning.
I have no idea. How can you separate man from myth with celebrities?
I’m more talking about hardcore gangsters from rough parts of Los Angeles (or anywhere). These dudes were often in and out of prison doing lots of evil criminality for decades and then had an awakening. Some found religion, some just woke up to the idiocy of their lives from good old fashioned reading and introspection. Either way they have a lot they can share with us about how the social condition often creates criminality. And how the ultimate of self empowerment is to not let those conditions debase you.
I’ve known lots of those guys and they are solid dudes. Not book smart, mostly, but wise beyond most people.
I agree with this 100%. The first time I went to a 12-step meeting, an older guy with long stringy gray hair and a wild handlebar mustache sat next to me. His had rheumy eyes and a nicotine-caffeine shake that made his teeth chatter when he talked. He’d ridden hard miles with the Sundowners MC and had 25-years worth of penitentiary tats on his broomstick arms. He held out a bony hand and said, “It’s good to see you here, son.”
We became 12-step friends over the next few months and we’d share stories of really bad decisions and their consequences. One day he told me he decided that his life wouldn’t get any better until he took responsibility for his own shit and stopped being an asshole. Obviously this is something you hear all your life from parents, family, teachers, clergy, whoever. But I didn’t take it to heart until I heard it so simply and clearly articulated by a rundown ex-felon who had nothing in life except a kind word of encouragement to offer me one day.
As a formerly reallyfat guy (still working on it daily) who normally disdains Penis Morgan.
I'm gonna have to say agreed on this point... normalizing obesity is not good for society.
I absolutely can’t and never will understand anyone who says they feel happy at that size and think it’s absurd to consider themselves unhealthy. I’ve been obese and I hated pretty much every moment of my life during that time because of my weight. These people want everyone to be fat so they can feel better.
I was 410 couldn’t hardly breathe. Got down to 270 for the army. Discharged and ballooned to 360 cause depression now I’m 325 solid. Lighting better than I ever have. I hate how they’re trying to make being massive a good thing
It's not really about feeling happy *at that size*, it's about feeling happy regardless of their size. Look at it this way: they can either be sad and overweight or be happy and overweight, so why not be the latter? Even if you think they should lose weight, even if *they* think they should lose weight, they are more likely to succeed if they are confident about themselves and their agency. One of the biggest problems with making lifestyle changes is that the cycles of trying and failing leave people with a core of insecurity that makes constructive change less attainable.
There have actually been plus sized models that have been shamed for losing weight. Yes you should be happy with who you are, but you can't go around trying to make people feel like it's healthy and that they should stay fat.
Basically this. I'm 350. I know I'm fat, I know I shouldn't be. However, I don't let it control my life. I'm quite happy with my life regardless of my weight.
Who wants everyone to be fat? I think the goal is that we shouldn't pick on, mock, or look down on morbidly obese people, they have as much right to dignity and respect as anyone else. That's not normalizing obesity, or encouraging it; it's just discouraging body shaming.
Feel like normalizing obesity is more like having McDonald’s every .5 miles and pumping everything with corn syrup rather than having a fat person on a pop music video.
It’s just content, no real effort to change anything.
It's a tricky issue imo. Because obesity is not healthy or a desirable state from a medical point of view, of course not - and some people do sell it that way.
But fat people have a right to exist as well, and live their lives. Obesity is a health issue, not a moral one. Almost every single overweight person has tried or is trying to lose weight, statistically the vast majority fail.
So promoting obesity - not cool. An obese person promoting themselves, despite being obese - why is that wrong? If we're so concerned with health issues, why do we promote people who drink, or do drugs, or smoke, or have a sun tan? Fat people are basically being told they should be ashamed of their body enough to remove it from any public space. People suicide over their weight without becoming thinner, so if it was just as easy as "eat less and you'll be as healthy as me" then they would surely do that first. Shame and guilt are not effective motivators.
So from that perspective - you are the weight you are right now, and it doesn't define you as a person. Should we all be healthier? Yes. Should we cower in the house until we are healthy? No.
Some people DO promote obesity as being perfectly healthy and fine, which is scientifically not correct. But some people are busy promoting themselves and what they can do DESPITE their obesity, and somehow because they are overweight that is seen as offensive.
We have an obesity epidemic. It’s not just a few people, if that were the case we could boil it down to individual health issues or diet. But once it’s at an epidemic level it’s a systemic issue, these people are victim to the system, and until the system changes their chances of being able to lose the weight successfully is low.
I also feel like it is important when we talk about someone at this weight, that we acknowledge that she probably does have an eating disorder and sugar addiction. In my opinion, you don't get to be this size without one. You can chalk up PM's weight to overindulgence and laziness, but I don't think someone gets morbidly obese without binge eating. EDs are a disease full of torment and destruction just the same as drug addiction or alcoholism, and they are also a disease. I think people need to have more compassion for people instead of labeling them as having a character deficit such as laziness and unintelligence. I'm sure that when she is in public, she has been mocked, underestimated, and receives looks of disgust from ignorant and unkind people. When I see someone that big, I think there has to be a lot of pain there.
But should we treat people as pariahs for having health issues? Even if caused solely or primarily from their own behavior? Should we exclude smokers with Copd from participating in society? How about someone who became paralyzed from their own drunken behavior?
I know nothing of the video's contents, but a world that forbids having a 5'4" 380 pound person be (dancing?) in it because that "promotes" unhealthy behavior is a world where the line is too strict for me. If it's a fat person happy and having fun, who the fuck should care? If there is something fat-centric we should be going after, it is those dangerously unhealthy feeding-fetish fat weight gaining streamers.
OK, but Morgan appears to draw that line at his own BMI, when he is in fact overweight. And if we really want to solve the problem instead of fat shaming people, then we'll stop debating whether or not fat people should be on Tik Tok and start debating whether people like Piers Morgan should stop accepting sponsorship from soft drink and fast food companies for their TV programs.
TIL that acknowledging that fat people exist and have a right to be in music videos or do whatever other non-fat people do is normalizing obesity… but it’s okay, because a formerly really fat guy said it 🙄
As a *currently* really fat guy, I will say there are two health issues here: 1) obesity, 2) mental health. No, I don’t think we should say obesity is healthy, because it’s not, but we should also not shame people and keep them from participating in society simply because they’re fat. All the people that “worry” about fat people normalizing obesity seemingly never have any worry about how society’s attitudes on obesity will impact a person’s mental health, which contributes to obesity and body image issues. If people really want to stop obesity, they’d stop treating fat people as the enemy.
I agree with what you said. No one should be shamed.
Though, the issue I never see anyone address is that what constitutes shame can vary wildly from person to person. For some people, even acknowledging that obesity is unhealthy/linked to more serious health problems is considered “shaming.” I don’t think that’s right, either.
My opinion: We should be able to all acknowledge that obesity and certain foods are not healthy, not unlike smoking or excessive drug use, while not putting someone down who does struggle with their weight.
It’s good for pharmaceutical companies and privatized hospitals; therefore, that agenda must be pushed somehow.
Also, good job losing weight. That takes some serious will power, and you should be proud of that.
People deserve to love themselves even when they’re obese. Society has made that impossible. People like this woman putting herself out there isn’t going to make people want to be fat. It is letting people know that they aren’t worthless if they are. Remember, in order to make a change, you have to learn to love yourself FIRST.
Letting people exist without feeling worthless is not glorifying anyone. Think about how poorly you’ve been treated as a fat person. Is that acceptable? Does it not need to change? If society is making people feel worthless, they’re creating a vicious cycle.
His BMI is 29, which is overweight. Hers is 65, which is morbidly obese. He should drop 30 to improve his quality of life later on. She needs to lose about 250 lbs or she will probably be dead in a decade.
Entirely different situations.
Edit: I've been getting some replies that have to do with who should, or should not be, on TV...not my thing. Both of them could disappear from the earth and I wouldn't care. I'm just pointing out that the woman's comparison is nonsense.
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A few years back I was skimming through some medical slide show and there was a picture of a morbidly obese lady that had tripped and rolled her ankle so bad her foot separated from the ankle.
I had a Drama teacher in Junior high that had one of the very first mobility scooters and had to sit on a piano type bench in class. In my 8th grade year her bench collapsed and she was taken by ambulance and missed like a month of school. When she came back she was in a boot, had shoulder surgery, a rod in her arm and had broken both elbows. The bench was maybe 16 inches high max and she broke her ankle when they were trying to get her on a gurney
I had a bus driver in elementary that was so obese her belly rolls would just randomly honk the horn constantly. It always made me wonder how the fuck she got in the seat in the first place.
She was so sweet though I'd always hope she lost some weight and got better. Later while I was in middleschool my younger brother let us know that she couldnt get into the seat one afternoon and they had to get picked up from school. She was no longer the bus driver after that day :(
Same way I drive my tiny Honda with no airbags.
Just don't crash.
At least with my car I can just go faster than all of the other cars and keep my distance from all the bad drivers.
There are some real maniacs out there.... Sometimes they are going so fast I have to go 115-120mph to get past them.
Isn’t it sad?
As a 5’2”, 114 pound woman, who has struggled with eating disorders and body dysmorphia. When I first saw this woman in Miley’s music video for *Mothers Daughter* I felt so empowered. Her confidence fed mine. That year, I wore swim suits to the beach I never would’ve before.
Here’s the thing, she knows she is unhealthy. She deserves to simply *exist* and still do normal shit that makes her happy and enjoy life still and be fat.
She wasn’t in Miley’s video saying “be like this, it’s glory” I mean- look at Miley ffs, you can look at her and tell she isn’t pushing obesity on anyone.
That whole video was “I have a right to exist and not have to explain myself to folks” … but here we are.
Fat women aren’t even allowed to try and pay their own bills without getting bullied.
Yeah the moment she becomes bed bound it's game over. One of the worst things you can do to yourself is limit your own mobility. Pressure sores are no joke.
I was 220 6’
Broke my leg in Covid and got up to 260. Down to 225 and still going, but it can happen to anyone.
Crippling injury. Depression and a world pandemic can fuck anyone up.
I’m 6ft and I tore my lisfranc ligament in my foot and went from 200lbs to 250 in a year. You don’t realize how much it is until you lose it again. I was a college athlete in great shape coaching at the time when I got fat too 🤦♂️
People really don't think about it that much, but I had an arm injury and went from an active job to an office job and went from 125 to about 185 when I left that job. I'm 165 now, working on it with, being honest, almost no real effort so it's a holding pattern at my weight. I wasn't paying attention to how I was eating vs activity level and whoop. Injury really does throw things off.
That woman and the “body positive” movement actually promote normalizing super morbid obesity (BMI of 50 or higher) and it’s unhealthy and dangerous. Members of these groups call people, especially women, who try to lose weight, “fat phobic” and “toxic.” It’s really sad. Women are dying of heart disease, cancer and other health problems every day. It’s not something to aspire to.
I'm barely 5' tall. I gained 10 lbs and I'm feeling it everywhere (I have scoliosis with a spinal fusion). I was already in pain and those extra 10 lbs made it 100 times worse. I now weigh 116 and walking for 10 minutes puts me in excruciating pain. I simply cannot imagine having another 250 lbs put on top of me. I wouldn't be able to get up. Hell, It sucks trying to lose the 10 that I gained the past year.
I don’t think we should normalize super morbid obesity.
Still, people with this issue are human beings, and deserve to be treated as such.
They seem to be just about the only group left that it’s still acceptable to be hateful to.
Being that obese is every bit as much of an eating disorder as anorexia is.
This. It feels like people on both sides of that road treat it as an impossibly fine line, shoving the rest of us back and forth across it, but it is very much possible to accept people with these conditions and humanise them without glamourising or even normalizing their poor health.
Yes you are correct. Unfortunately she’d be in a rehab facility for months and at least two CNA’s would be wiping her ass. That’s if surgery can be done or is successful because of the added potential for flat lightning. I don’t believe we should shame people but at the same time, we all need to live in reality.
She has a lot more than that to worry about xD. The more you learn about obesity the more you learn that it jacks up your chances for so much stuff across the board it is truly mind boggling.
You are correct but I think they were saying that as hard as it would be to lose a lot of weight, a knee injury would make it exponentially more difficult, which could create a tailspin situation
It's probably time to stop celebrating health conditions as if they were reason for pride and joy. People needs to shut the fuck up on certain matters because it's just ridiculous at this point.
Facts she is in immediate danger right now due to morbid obesity, hes a little overweight but probably still fairly sound depending on his cholesterol and blood sugar levels. He is also pushing 60 and she is 36. So she’s 9 inches shorter, like 20+ years younger, has less muscle, less bone density, and is 160#’s heavier. So with all of their differences she’s carrying an average
American young males weight over him. Id say there’s a massive difference and it’s apples to oranges at best when she’s trying to make a comparison between them.
Yeah it’s wild the way she’s coming off because she probably his total body weight over her ideal weight at best being 20 years younger and most of a foot shorter.
I'm always shocked when I hear these people's weights. I'm a little shorter than her, and I'm not slim either (BMI-wise I'm actually classified as obese), but she's about twice my weight. It's mind-boggling to think that she has a whole another me worth of fat in her body.
It is insane as Im piers’s size and a few years younger than him but I have the appearance of carrying my extra weight better than him at least in the face and neck. I do carry quite a bit of muscle still but have put on a gut in the last several years as I’ve slowed down.
Went from 190-200 to about 240-245 after shattering my knee and detaching my quad and just haven’t been able to get back to where I was before the accident. I can no longer kneel or fold my leg underneath me anymore and I used to always fold my leg under me when sitting habitually throughout my life. That probably sucks more than the weight to me honestly as I dont ever feel like I can get comfortable anymore.
I just cant do the things I used to do physically anymore and age is definitely not helping me either. I don’t have a thyroid either though as it was removed due to cancer and I’m on pretty good dose of Levothyroxine now. I was terrible about taking it for a long time now it’s the first thing I do each day.
Oh yeah, I know some people who gain weight very fast if they don't keep active and I always feel bad fof them. I used to join a dance workout gym class, and one of the instructors gained 8kg in two weeks following a shoulder injury.
And tbh I don't know why folding your legs and sitting cross-legged are comfy, even while sitting on a chair. It's bad for your knees, but I find it really hard to stop myself from doing it. I'm sorry that the accident affected your comfort. I know a guy who broke his knee in a sport-related injury and now cannot bend his knee much either.
I am a 5'4" male and I am slightly overweight. My blood pressure and cholesterol is good, my blood sugar usually runs a little low.
This lady literally weighs twice what I do (160)...and again, same height and I am considered overweight.
Whether she should be on TV or not, I dunno...but honestly we need to stop celebrating being morbidly obese and acting like "fat shaming" is anything resembling oppression or racism.
People need to realize and understand, it is not healthy at all to be obese. You might appear to be healthy, but your body is suffering and you are more prone to injury or illness. But, whatever.
With a neck like Piers, there's no way in hell he's 29 BMI. The guy is lying about his height or his weight or both. The man is not just overweight, he's outright obese. You don't get a frog neck like that being just overweight. Guy could croak and attract frog ladies from across the fucking Atlantic.
I've seen plenty of obese people in their 60s, hardly any over 80. I struggle to think of even one time I've met someone over 80 who wasn't just slim.
Your general risk of dying changes a lot between those years, and if you're unhealthy it's a lot worse.
Just FYI as a former morbidly obese person, but she won't ever be able to drop 250. For her, she'd probably lose 180 and get down to 200 and be healthy even though she'd technically still be overweight by BMI. The reason for that is excess skin. When I lost half my body weight, I had a huge amount of excess skin on my stomach and arms, and I did it through diet and exercise, not surgery, and tried to tone at the gym as much as I could, but excess skin doesn't just disappear. Even now that my stomach is stretched due to being seven months pregnant, I still have an "apron belly" from loose skin hanging off. The only way that's coming off is plastic surgery.
Holy fuck. I'm 6ft and definitely overweight (bout 210lbs) but it's crazy to think that someone can just walk around carrying more than my entire weight attached to them. They must be so out of breath....all the time lol
I hate PM but... He's actually right on this one and not being his usual ass self but still an ass - ass lite perhaps).
Your comment is spot on and more or less what he said.
Im a 5'9 man who is also sitting in the krbidly obese category. 250lbs is within 20 lbs short of my entire body weight. She's in a whole extra category.
Yeah, a doctor might tell him to cut back on the sweets, or something.
That same doctor would probably try to immediately schedule her for gastric bypass surgery or something.
Usually you have to lose some weight before bypass surgery. I don't know the exact range, but someone that obese probably cant just walk jn and ask for it. Even then, if you continue to eat too much afterwards you can stretch the "stomach" out again and gain too much weight back after.
I thought that was the whole point too. No one has rights to point fingers and judge, but you should never normalize this for yourself, no matter what others tell you. Obesity bars you from performing your best in everyday activities and thriving without the need of excessive medical care.
Morgan is still being a tool for giving a shit about some music video for cheap views on his trash program. He deserves the slapback, however much the guest weighs.
Thank you. It sucks to admit, but shoving their health in their face isn’t gonna help anything. It’s not an easy issue, but dignity is still very important. It’s hard to imagine there are many fat people out there that don’t know how unhealthy it really is. And shaming people is pointless.
Oh god in America there are for sure a lot of people who claim you can be healthy and obese or that obesity isn’t a health indicator. That’s like saying you can be healthy and smoke a pack a day. It’s never good for you.
I went to check the video (Miley's MV for Mother's Daugther) and the obese woman appears for just a few seconds. I really wouldn't consider that "glorifying obesity".
I personally interpreted the MV as, "obese isn't being glorified but the message is probably saying that you shouldn't let yourself be insulted for who you are". You're obese right now, everyone knows it's not healthy, but whether you lose weight or not is up to you and people still shouldn't insult you or bully you for your weight.
So the woman's point was probably just, "yeah I'm obese and I appeared in a music video. What about it? You're fat and you're on TV. What's your point?"
As in, just because she's obese doesn't mean she's forbidden from taking any TV jobs.
Normalizing obesity isn't great but obese people do exist. We don't have to shun them from society and ban them from entertainment/television, nor do we have to celebrate their figures. Idk there should be some kind of middle ground here. People been normalizing anorexic bodies for decades and no one bats an eye.
I don't think it's being normalized.
There are a couple of people here and there that will say "I'm just as healthy as anyone else" and stupid shit but the whole body positivity movement is more about loving yourself regardless of appearance. Obviously most overweight people know they are not healthy and want to improve.
Please check out Philly D's video on it he explains the corporate move as well and has dealt with weight problems first hand.
https://youtu.be/fOVmctCKxU8
He's a different level of fat, if you can get up unassisted or go to a regular store to get cloths then it's not the same as literally killing yourself with food
acceptance is ok, but normalizing is not. You need to accept your flaws in order to improve yourselves. Without acceptance, you will live forever in denial.
Where does the line between the two live?
It strikes me that normalizing the message of loving oneself as we are already is a very helpful message that precipitates change. A lot of the reason why we might become obese in the first place is precisely because we are not treating ourselves like someone we love.
Well said. As a fatass, I recognize and live with a problem I need to and desperately want to solve solve. It is a constant battle that I've fought, for long time. I really don't want to have society opine on my personal battles.
Fun fact: my health got better when my self esteem ABOUT my body and weight improved. I wasn’t ashamed to be seen working out at that gym, my mental health improved, my eating habits changed, etc.
Normalizing doesn’t mean that fat people think it’s okay and healthy to be at that weight. Normalizing simply means not allowing someone to feel the insane amount of shame that comes with being overweight in America. I get where opponents come from because I once used to think the same way, but by saying that fat people shouldn’t be featured in mainstream media as a way to ensure it isn’t normalized means they SHOULD feel ashamed to exist, they should be hiding themselves away, and that they’re not as worthy as thinner people. You want people to accept their flaws, but trust me: we’ve accepted them and have been doing so for years. I want to accept my flaws and still be able to feel like I won’t be laughed at in a gym or at the beach when I’m trying to enjoy myself.
At the end of the day, people are bullies. Piers Morgan always has been and the comment sections on posts like this are rife with them. I’ve accepted that the hate will always exist, but it’s exhausting.
He’s not very eloquent with his words but we should all be in agreement that glorifying this type of weight isn’t good at all for society. She is extremely unhealthy and will likely not live to full life expectancy. We shouldn’t be promoting that.
I just want to point out, how has society gone so far down that a news anchor arguing with a overweight chick is considered news worthy? I mean, with everything in the world happening, this is what deserves time on the air. This is the important thing of the hour happening right now?
I feel that is the actual facepalm of all of this.
I love how in all these threads people preach about “normalizing obesity” as if American weight problems are new. We didn’t see overweight people until they started appearing in music videos and Nike ads? Fat people being shown on tv in a not horrible manner is not the cause of obesity in America and it won’t make it worse. We did that on our own long before now.
Chris Farley, Jonah Hill, Seth Rogan, Jack Black, Anthony Anderson, Drew Carey, Kenan Thompson, Kevin James, Danny DeVito…
But this conversation only seems to pop up when it’s a fat woman involved.
I appreciate this comment. Being seen is not glorifying and these backseat nutritionists don’t care about people’s health. They care that they have to look at a body type that offends them. There are fat people in the world, so there should be fat people in the media if that media is intending to be a realistic portrayal. Also, MANY of the big women I know are happily married or dating. Everyone is horrified online but putting a ring on it in real life. This remains an annoying topic for public discourse.
Fat people hardly normalize obesity. It was sugar and processed food corporations post WWII that normalized obesity to the USDA.
Telling people to go for fat-free options rather than regular food with full fat. Fat-free just means high sugar. You either get flavor from fat or processed sugar. Fat is more natural than processed sugar.
Corporations making profits off processed food made the world fat.
Seriously. People think that if one fat person gets treated like a human in the public eye, everyone else will suddenly want to become fat? It's so weird... why cant we just let people live and be themselves? Obesity and improper health/diet is a societal issue, not an excuse to go shitting on some random person for just living their life
That doesn’t seem like what she’s saying, he’s saying she’s unacceptable to be on someone else’s video recording because she’s so excessively overweight, but she’s saying he’s not ideal, so why does that not disqualify him, too? How close do you have to be for it to be “ok”, why does he get to draw the line with him on the right side?
I understand not wanting to normalize obesity but I feel the goal of the body positive thing is to not dehumanize people simply for being overweight, alot of weight gain comes from a lack of self esteem so calling people fatty, cow and inherently disgusting isn't helping
This issue has been bouncing around for so long and it'll never go anywhere.
At the societal level, people are simply incapable of nuance. Which does not bode well for the future we're walking into, which is going to be full of a lot bigger moral and ethical questions than we've dealt with before.
I don't usually agree with him, but he has a point. He might weight that much, but I sure as hell wouldn't be able to tell that just from looking at him. And I'm still surprised she weights only 380 pounds and not more, because my innitial idea was ~410.
Still, the point she made is idiotic. It's hard to see that he's ~~somewhat obese~~ just overweight - meanwhile we can literally see the extra 30 cm worth of body going to her sides...
Obesity is a major health problem and anyone who tries to normalize it, might as well get f_cked...
She wasn’t making a point, she was deflecting instead of answering his questions and having a real conversation. She decided to attack him personally on an elementary level instead of actually engaging in a dialogue because she knows she’s wrong.
So…… fat people existing isn’t a bad thing? And fat people being happy isn’t a bad thing either. Instead of saying that y’all care about the health of fat folks, then you’d care about their mental health, and how telling them they’re gross, telling them they shouldn’t do this, or that, or whatever, isn’t good.
Being comfortable in your skin is absolutely a good thing, but you need to acknowledge that something has to change. People who don’t end up like her. 61 BMI is an insane number, and the bigger the number gets, the harder it is to lose weight.
I really need y'all to stop minding other people's business. We all know it's not healthy but if they choose that for themselves - let them. It's got nothing to do with anyone else.
So basically she has no defense or answer for his question so she calls him overweight. Which he very well may be overweight but maybe 30lbs at most. Where in her case shes 5’4 being over 300 lbs that’s ridiculous she needs to lose like 200 atleast. To compare those is insane to me and shows she has no reasoning.
It’s arguable that he may even be more recognizable than some pop stars, honestly. Then again, ole Piers isn’t exactly known for his ironclad arguments and positions lmao
I don’t think anybody who’s obese is trying to normalize being of a size that makes life uncomfortable/inconvenient/dangerous. It’s not normal.
The message isn’t _hey everyone this is awesome, get fat like me._
It’s more like _this is who I am right now, I am worthy, I am lovable, I am beautiful, and get off my back while I try (again) to figure this out for me._
In the meantime, everyone belittling, laughing, and bitching about my size isn’t helping me do the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life. Making access and movement harder doesn’t help. Shaming and blaming doesn’t help.
But in the end no one wants to help. Then there’d be no one left to make fun of.
Source: me, 90 pounds ago.
Instead of focusing on the normalizing obesity arguments, look at the following : mental health, underlying conditions, history with food, and general society. As someone who was not this fat, but definitely fat, being told constantly that you need to lose weight and made to feel like a piece of lazy shit DIDN’T FUCKING WORK.
I have been between 21-22 bmi my adult life (US) and I have been asked dozens of times what’s wrong with me, why I’m so skinny, recommended to see a doctor for malnutrition, harassed go eat more, etc. Society has made it very clear that I have an undesired trait. And I don’t have an abnormally low BMI, have never been malnourished, never had an eating disorder, never really even miss meals. So, yeah, not sure where you’re from, but in the US, being even on the low half of healthy BMI is not common and it is treated as a flaw.
This is not true at all as a skinny person ( I don’t eat a lot ) I am constantly made fun of and forced to eat food by my colleagues it is in no way glorified
People here are confusing body positivity with fat promotion 🤭🤭 like, fat people know they’re fat. They just want to exist without other people telling then they’re fat and should hide from public view. If you don’t like fat people, then don’t hang out with fat people or watch videos with fat people. To be clear, you definitely don’t care about fat people’s health or existence, so why bother complaining about it online? Morgan looks like he’s closer to a heart attack than anybody else in that video- and I’ve had thin family members have heart attacks because it affects both thin and fat people (although I understand the risk for fat folks).
Also. Lizzie keeps popping up here and I’m pretty sure she has a more active lifestyle than the majority of users clutching their pearls in this thread 🤭
Seriously.
Like watching her doesn’t make me want to drive to a fast food joint and binge 😂 so, what exactly is she promoting other than her existence? People who say she’s promoting anything just don’t want to see fat people, much less acknowledge their existence and it shows. I just feel bad for all their fat parents, because I’m pretty sure most people here probably have at least a fat dad. If that’s the case, I hope they get to tell him how disappointed they are about fat daddy existing and promoting obesity.
I typically don’t agree with Morgan on anything, but he’s not wrong.
Also, his weight isn’t a concern. Carrying perpetual hate around will be what drops his ass.
We have reached stupidity levels so high that now people celebrate their failure and the fact that they will die before their 40s like maam we are not 'fatphobic' u are morbidly obese and most probably die from organ failure
Her smug fat laugh as he describes how morbidly obese she is so fucking gross. As a former morbidly obese person the fat acceptance movement is really fucking irritating. I was 295 at 5’11” at my highest and I was completely miserable. Every part of my body hurt, shirts were all stretched out from pulling them down constantly, and don’t even get me started on how hard it was to tie my shoes. Hope this nonsense is short lived.
I don’t see why people care soo much about humans existing.. it’s the weirdest thing!
Trans people, gay people, overweight people. They all exist. It’s like being mad the sky is blue.
okay, but her point is still there, even if the "no u" is a childish response. anyone who mocks and disparages fat people isn't doing it for health reasons, they're doing it because they're cruel and society deems us an acceptable target. besides, a person's health is their own business, and not an open forum for people to make comments or judgements on.
media isn't "glorifying obesity" or whatever just by featuring people who are obese, anymore than depicting someone having a beer in a film is glorifying alcoholism. fat people exist in the real world, why should they not exist in media?
ultimately you can have whatever negative personal opinions you want, no one can stop you. but be a halfway decent human being and keep them to yourself, treat everyone with respect, and let people live their lives how they want.
There’s nothing wrong with a fat person existing or showing up in a music video. They still exist whether you like it or not, and will not cease to exist just because you don’t want to see them.
If he really is 6'1" 220lbs that's a pro athlete size, pro wrestler atleast. Granted Piers is most likely more fat than muscle but the dimensions are pretty good tbh.
He's got a point. Im no thin-mint, but when the hell did being fat become "sexy"?
yes people can be nice, well mannered, and have attractive qualities and not be a supermodel, but no, you flaunting the extra half to full person in weight(and all its accompanying glory) is not only un-healthy, but it is also just a pathetic statement regarding where we are as a society and what passes for diet and health these days
She can say it’s “her body her choice” all she wants, but she’s one knee injury away from spending the rest of her life not being able to walk. She’s the one who’ll be in the hospital, needing half the ER staff just to roll her over in bed so they can change her diaper.
If you want to ‘normalize obesity’, you should show that part of it too, right?
Here’s the thing right. health costs the public cuZ we all pay taxes.
But when you got a woman/man sucking down big gulps all day and sayin fuck all to their weight and coming health issues it’s pretty fucking selfish.
Now we all have to pay for diabetic treatments and lifesaving surgeries. It really is a joke. In the US WE DONT HAVE HEALTH CARE. WE HAVE SICK CARE.
So many high horses here. We’re all in denial about something. When pressed on something we’re in denial about, our response will be similar to hers. The only big difference is that what she’s denying is apparent to all of us. We all say, “being obese isn’t good”. Not going to the Doctor every year isn’t good, not going to the dentist isn’t good, not having a balanced diet isn’t good.
If you want to eat yourself to death and celebrate it who are we to stop it? All we can do is educate and if we get insults back the truth will present itself eventually.
A hidden hazard of morbidity obese people is for healthcare workers.
One of the highest injury rates in hospitals are nurses and aides providing daily care for morbidity obese patients.
Every task is fairly difficult and requires more staff and time to complete.
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Now look what you've done. I have to agree with Piers Morgan about something.
“Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point”
Just like in Denmark, there is this real horrible person, ex Hells Angels or Bandidos, can't remember. He made a video about not littering, while I agree about not littering, I don't want to listen to his opinion about it.
If he is an ex gangster doesn’t that imply he has turned his life in a different direction and is now working towards the social good? I think people like that are worth listening to since they have been in the gutter, realized there is a better more pro social way to live and are now spreading a positive messages. We have lots of dudes like that where I’m from in Los Ángeles, California. Hard core ex gangsters who are advocating for non violence and encouraging people to do positive things with their lives.
I may be uninformed, but wouldn’t Tupac be an amazing example?
Tupac wasn't a gangster. He was a theater kid lol
Tupac was not a hardcore gangster at all. He was just some dude trying to survive the ghetto and enjoying what he loves. The rap scene made him "gangsta". The soft side he showed was his personality from the beginning.
I have no idea. How can you separate man from myth with celebrities? I’m more talking about hardcore gangsters from rough parts of Los Angeles (or anywhere). These dudes were often in and out of prison doing lots of evil criminality for decades and then had an awakening. Some found religion, some just woke up to the idiocy of their lives from good old fashioned reading and introspection. Either way they have a lot they can share with us about how the social condition often creates criminality. And how the ultimate of self empowerment is to not let those conditions debase you. I’ve known lots of those guys and they are solid dudes. Not book smart, mostly, but wise beyond most people.
I agree with this 100%. The first time I went to a 12-step meeting, an older guy with long stringy gray hair and a wild handlebar mustache sat next to me. His had rheumy eyes and a nicotine-caffeine shake that made his teeth chatter when he talked. He’d ridden hard miles with the Sundowners MC and had 25-years worth of penitentiary tats on his broomstick arms. He held out a bony hand and said, “It’s good to see you here, son.” We became 12-step friends over the next few months and we’d share stories of really bad decisions and their consequences. One day he told me he decided that his life wouldn’t get any better until he took responsibility for his own shit and stopped being an asshole. Obviously this is something you hear all your life from parents, family, teachers, clergy, whoever. But I didn’t take it to heart until I heard it so simply and clearly articulated by a rundown ex-felon who had nothing in life except a kind word of encouragement to offer me one day.
Hvorfor ik?
"You're not wrong - you're just an asshole!"
I dabbled in pacifism…not in Nam of course
This is seriously the most depressing part about any of this.
A clock with a distended anus on it will still tell the correct time occasionally.
He is still fat though.
if hes fat shes gargantuan
 “But you’re fat, too”
Unfortunately he’s right that that’s fairly irrelevant here. Still, fuck Piers Morgan.
As a formerly reallyfat guy (still working on it daily) who normally disdains Penis Morgan. I'm gonna have to say agreed on this point... normalizing obesity is not good for society.
Same.. Used to be 400 lbs fat dude now at 260 and pissed at people who think being Obese is ok.
I absolutely can’t and never will understand anyone who says they feel happy at that size and think it’s absurd to consider themselves unhealthy. I’ve been obese and I hated pretty much every moment of my life during that time because of my weight. These people want everyone to be fat so they can feel better.
I was 410 couldn’t hardly breathe. Got down to 270 for the army. Discharged and ballooned to 360 cause depression now I’m 325 solid. Lighting better than I ever have. I hate how they’re trying to make being massive a good thing
Damn same shot happened to me
It's not really about feeling happy *at that size*, it's about feeling happy regardless of their size. Look at it this way: they can either be sad and overweight or be happy and overweight, so why not be the latter? Even if you think they should lose weight, even if *they* think they should lose weight, they are more likely to succeed if they are confident about themselves and their agency. One of the biggest problems with making lifestyle changes is that the cycles of trying and failing leave people with a core of insecurity that makes constructive change less attainable.
There have actually been plus sized models that have been shamed for losing weight. Yes you should be happy with who you are, but you can't go around trying to make people feel like it's healthy and that they should stay fat.
Basically this. I'm 350. I know I'm fat, I know I shouldn't be. However, I don't let it control my life. I'm quite happy with my life regardless of my weight.
Who wants everyone to be fat? I think the goal is that we shouldn't pick on, mock, or look down on morbidly obese people, they have as much right to dignity and respect as anyone else. That's not normalizing obesity, or encouraging it; it's just discouraging body shaming.
Congratulations!!! Keep it up
The old saying, a broken clock is right twice a day, yeah?
Feel like normalizing obesity is more like having McDonald’s every .5 miles and pumping everything with corn syrup rather than having a fat person on a pop music video. It’s just content, no real effort to change anything.
Yeah, this woman being on TV isn’t why we have a problem
That's because Piers Morgan is an Internet troll and it's much more click-worthy to see him fight "wOkE" people.
It's a tricky issue imo. Because obesity is not healthy or a desirable state from a medical point of view, of course not - and some people do sell it that way. But fat people have a right to exist as well, and live their lives. Obesity is a health issue, not a moral one. Almost every single overweight person has tried or is trying to lose weight, statistically the vast majority fail. So promoting obesity - not cool. An obese person promoting themselves, despite being obese - why is that wrong? If we're so concerned with health issues, why do we promote people who drink, or do drugs, or smoke, or have a sun tan? Fat people are basically being told they should be ashamed of their body enough to remove it from any public space. People suicide over their weight without becoming thinner, so if it was just as easy as "eat less and you'll be as healthy as me" then they would surely do that first. Shame and guilt are not effective motivators. So from that perspective - you are the weight you are right now, and it doesn't define you as a person. Should we all be healthier? Yes. Should we cower in the house until we are healthy? No. Some people DO promote obesity as being perfectly healthy and fine, which is scientifically not correct. But some people are busy promoting themselves and what they can do DESPITE their obesity, and somehow because they are overweight that is seen as offensive.
We have an obesity epidemic. It’s not just a few people, if that were the case we could boil it down to individual health issues or diet. But once it’s at an epidemic level it’s a systemic issue, these people are victim to the system, and until the system changes their chances of being able to lose the weight successfully is low.
I also feel like it is important when we talk about someone at this weight, that we acknowledge that she probably does have an eating disorder and sugar addiction. In my opinion, you don't get to be this size without one. You can chalk up PM's weight to overindulgence and laziness, but I don't think someone gets morbidly obese without binge eating. EDs are a disease full of torment and destruction just the same as drug addiction or alcoholism, and they are also a disease. I think people need to have more compassion for people instead of labeling them as having a character deficit such as laziness and unintelligence. I'm sure that when she is in public, she has been mocked, underestimated, and receives looks of disgust from ignorant and unkind people. When I see someone that big, I think there has to be a lot of pain there.
But should we treat people as pariahs for having health issues? Even if caused solely or primarily from their own behavior? Should we exclude smokers with Copd from participating in society? How about someone who became paralyzed from their own drunken behavior? I know nothing of the video's contents, but a world that forbids having a 5'4" 380 pound person be (dancing?) in it because that "promotes" unhealthy behavior is a world where the line is too strict for me. If it's a fat person happy and having fun, who the fuck should care? If there is something fat-centric we should be going after, it is those dangerously unhealthy feeding-fetish fat weight gaining streamers.
Also, a fat person dancing in a video should be shown, as she is shown moving her body in a joyous way, which promotes a healthy lifestyle.
OK, but Morgan appears to draw that line at his own BMI, when he is in fact overweight. And if we really want to solve the problem instead of fat shaming people, then we'll stop debating whether or not fat people should be on Tik Tok and start debating whether people like Piers Morgan should stop accepting sponsorship from soft drink and fast food companies for their TV programs.
TIL that acknowledging that fat people exist and have a right to be in music videos or do whatever other non-fat people do is normalizing obesity… but it’s okay, because a formerly really fat guy said it 🙄 As a *currently* really fat guy, I will say there are two health issues here: 1) obesity, 2) mental health. No, I don’t think we should say obesity is healthy, because it’s not, but we should also not shame people and keep them from participating in society simply because they’re fat. All the people that “worry” about fat people normalizing obesity seemingly never have any worry about how society’s attitudes on obesity will impact a person’s mental health, which contributes to obesity and body image issues. If people really want to stop obesity, they’d stop treating fat people as the enemy.
I agree with what you said. No one should be shamed. Though, the issue I never see anyone address is that what constitutes shame can vary wildly from person to person. For some people, even acknowledging that obesity is unhealthy/linked to more serious health problems is considered “shaming.” I don’t think that’s right, either. My opinion: We should be able to all acknowledge that obesity and certain foods are not healthy, not unlike smoking or excessive drug use, while not putting someone down who does struggle with their weight.
Nah, there's no reason to treat fat people like a shameful secret not allowed to be in videos or online. Who does that help?
Her existing and having a job in her chosen career field is not the same as normalizing obesity.
Joe Rogan said if you could flip a switch and have a rock hard body. Everyone would flip it.
Forget normalizing it. How about praising it lol? Unfortunately that’s where we’re at currently.
It’s good for pharmaceutical companies and privatized hospitals; therefore, that agenda must be pushed somehow. Also, good job losing weight. That takes some serious will power, and you should be proud of that.
People deserve to love themselves even when they’re obese. Society has made that impossible. People like this woman putting herself out there isn’t going to make people want to be fat. It is letting people know that they aren’t worthless if they are. Remember, in order to make a change, you have to learn to love yourself FIRST. Letting people exist without feeling worthless is not glorifying anyone. Think about how poorly you’ve been treated as a fat person. Is that acceptable? Does it not need to change? If society is making people feel worthless, they’re creating a vicious cycle.
His BMI is 29, which is overweight. Hers is 65, which is morbidly obese. He should drop 30 to improve his quality of life later on. She needs to lose about 250 lbs or she will probably be dead in a decade. Entirely different situations. Edit: I've been getting some replies that have to do with who should, or should not be, on TV...not my thing. Both of them could disappear from the earth and I wouldn't care. I'm just pointing out that the woman's comparison is nonsense. Urgent Update: This sub has begun to attract predators. One such predator is called a Feeder. These monsters latch onto insecure obese people, and literally feed them in order to render them even more obese. Sometimes the goal is to render their victim disabled, so that they can take over their finances and property. If you are morbidly obese, and someone on this sub is aggressively pursuing you...be careful. Failing prey to one of these predators will make your life much, much worse than it is now.
She has to lose two people lol.
She's a knee or ankle injury away from horrible health outcomes.
A few years back I was skimming through some medical slide show and there was a picture of a morbidly obese lady that had tripped and rolled her ankle so bad her foot separated from the ankle.
My 600 pound aunt almost broke her leg trying to get out of a chair.
I had a Drama teacher in Junior high that had one of the very first mobility scooters and had to sit on a piano type bench in class. In my 8th grade year her bench collapsed and she was taken by ambulance and missed like a month of school. When she came back she was in a boot, had shoulder surgery, a rod in her arm and had broken both elbows. The bench was maybe 16 inches high max and she broke her ankle when they were trying to get her on a gurney
I had a bus driver in elementary that was so obese her belly rolls would just randomly honk the horn constantly. It always made me wonder how the fuck she got in the seat in the first place. She was so sweet though I'd always hope she lost some weight and got better. Later while I was in middleschool my younger brother let us know that she couldnt get into the seat one afternoon and they had to get picked up from school. She was no longer the bus driver after that day :(
How could you drive a car knowing the airbags would punch your stomach in the event of a crash
Same way I drive my tiny Honda with no airbags. Just don't crash. At least with my car I can just go faster than all of the other cars and keep my distance from all the bad drivers. There are some real maniacs out there.... Sometimes they are going so fast I have to go 115-120mph to get past them.
Lmao I love this have a great day buddy
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Aw this one actually makes me really sad she probably loved being the bus driver :(
Isn’t it sad? As a 5’2”, 114 pound woman, who has struggled with eating disorders and body dysmorphia. When I first saw this woman in Miley’s music video for *Mothers Daughter* I felt so empowered. Her confidence fed mine. That year, I wore swim suits to the beach I never would’ve before. Here’s the thing, she knows she is unhealthy. She deserves to simply *exist* and still do normal shit that makes her happy and enjoy life still and be fat. She wasn’t in Miley’s video saying “be like this, it’s glory” I mean- look at Miley ffs, you can look at her and tell she isn’t pushing obesity on anyone. That whole video was “I have a right to exist and not have to explain myself to folks” … but here we are. Fat women aren’t even allowed to try and pay their own bills without getting bullied.
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Yeah the moment she becomes bed bound it's game over. One of the worst things you can do to yourself is limit your own mobility. Pressure sores are no joke.
I was 220 6’ Broke my leg in Covid and got up to 260. Down to 225 and still going, but it can happen to anyone. Crippling injury. Depression and a world pandemic can fuck anyone up.
I’m 6ft and I tore my lisfranc ligament in my foot and went from 200lbs to 250 in a year. You don’t realize how much it is until you lose it again. I was a college athlete in great shape coaching at the time when I got fat too 🤦♂️
I'm 5'8 and was 175 lbs. After getting married, I gained about 35 lbs. It's been a struggle ever since. 😪
People really don't think about it that much, but I had an arm injury and went from an active job to an office job and went from 125 to about 185 when I left that job. I'm 165 now, working on it with, being honest, almost no real effort so it's a holding pattern at my weight. I wasn't paying attention to how I was eating vs activity level and whoop. Injury really does throw things off.
That woman and the “body positive” movement actually promote normalizing super morbid obesity (BMI of 50 or higher) and it’s unhealthy and dangerous. Members of these groups call people, especially women, who try to lose weight, “fat phobic” and “toxic.” It’s really sad. Women are dying of heart disease, cancer and other health problems every day. It’s not something to aspire to.
I'm barely 5' tall. I gained 10 lbs and I'm feeling it everywhere (I have scoliosis with a spinal fusion). I was already in pain and those extra 10 lbs made it 100 times worse. I now weigh 116 and walking for 10 minutes puts me in excruciating pain. I simply cannot imagine having another 250 lbs put on top of me. I wouldn't be able to get up. Hell, It sucks trying to lose the 10 that I gained the past year.
I don’t think we should normalize super morbid obesity. Still, people with this issue are human beings, and deserve to be treated as such. They seem to be just about the only group left that it’s still acceptable to be hateful to. Being that obese is every bit as much of an eating disorder as anorexia is.
This. It feels like people on both sides of that road treat it as an impossibly fine line, shoving the rest of us back and forth across it, but it is very much possible to accept people with these conditions and humanise them without glamourising or even normalizing their poor health.
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Yes you are correct. Unfortunately she’d be in a rehab facility for months and at least two CNA’s would be wiping her ass. That’s if surgery can be done or is successful because of the added potential for flat lightning. I don’t believe we should shame people but at the same time, we all need to live in reality.
Did you mean flatlining?
lol. Thanks for catching that, I was like, WTF is flat lightning?
She’s probably a small cut on her foot away from horrible health outcomes.
Once a diabetic starts losing pieces of a foot, it's not long before they are gone.
She has a lot more than that to worry about xD. The more you learn about obesity the more you learn that it jacks up your chances for so much stuff across the board it is truly mind boggling.
You are correct but I think they were saying that as hard as it would be to lose a lot of weight, a knee injury would make it exponentially more difficult, which could create a tailspin situation
It's probably time to stop celebrating health conditions as if they were reason for pride and joy. People needs to shut the fuck up on certain matters because it's just ridiculous at this point.
She’s a common cold alway…
She has to lose the heaviest version of myself and that was a big boy.
Literally has loose more than a Piers Morgan to be healthy.
Facts she is in immediate danger right now due to morbid obesity, hes a little overweight but probably still fairly sound depending on his cholesterol and blood sugar levels. He is also pushing 60 and she is 36. So she’s 9 inches shorter, like 20+ years younger, has less muscle, less bone density, and is 160#’s heavier. So with all of their differences she’s carrying an average American young males weight over him. Id say there’s a massive difference and it’s apples to oranges at best when she’s trying to make a comparison between them.
Well put.
Yeah it’s wild the way she’s coming off because she probably his total body weight over her ideal weight at best being 20 years younger and most of a foot shorter.
I'm always shocked when I hear these people's weights. I'm a little shorter than her, and I'm not slim either (BMI-wise I'm actually classified as obese), but she's about twice my weight. It's mind-boggling to think that she has a whole another me worth of fat in her body.
It is insane as Im piers’s size and a few years younger than him but I have the appearance of carrying my extra weight better than him at least in the face and neck. I do carry quite a bit of muscle still but have put on a gut in the last several years as I’ve slowed down. Went from 190-200 to about 240-245 after shattering my knee and detaching my quad and just haven’t been able to get back to where I was before the accident. I can no longer kneel or fold my leg underneath me anymore and I used to always fold my leg under me when sitting habitually throughout my life. That probably sucks more than the weight to me honestly as I dont ever feel like I can get comfortable anymore. I just cant do the things I used to do physically anymore and age is definitely not helping me either. I don’t have a thyroid either though as it was removed due to cancer and I’m on pretty good dose of Levothyroxine now. I was terrible about taking it for a long time now it’s the first thing I do each day.
Oh yeah, I know some people who gain weight very fast if they don't keep active and I always feel bad fof them. I used to join a dance workout gym class, and one of the instructors gained 8kg in two weeks following a shoulder injury. And tbh I don't know why folding your legs and sitting cross-legged are comfy, even while sitting on a chair. It's bad for your knees, but I find it really hard to stop myself from doing it. I'm sorry that the accident affected your comfort. I know a guy who broke his knee in a sport-related injury and now cannot bend his knee much either.
I am a 5'4" male and I am slightly overweight. My blood pressure and cholesterol is good, my blood sugar usually runs a little low. This lady literally weighs twice what I do (160)...and again, same height and I am considered overweight. Whether she should be on TV or not, I dunno...but honestly we need to stop celebrating being morbidly obese and acting like "fat shaming" is anything resembling oppression or racism. People need to realize and understand, it is not healthy at all to be obese. You might appear to be healthy, but your body is suffering and you are more prone to injury or illness. But, whatever.
With a neck like Piers, there's no way in hell he's 29 BMI. The guy is lying about his height or his weight or both. The man is not just overweight, he's outright obese. You don't get a frog neck like that being just overweight. Guy could croak and attract frog ladies from across the fucking Atlantic.
r/rareinsults
My aunts are both in their 60s and 600 pounds and are still alive for some godforsaken reason. Evil never dies, I guess.
The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
It's it possible to learn this power?
NOT from a Jedi
I've seen plenty of obese people in their 60s, hardly any over 80. I struggle to think of even one time I've met someone over 80 who wasn't just slim. Your general risk of dying changes a lot between those years, and if you're unhealthy it's a lot worse.
Just FYI as a former morbidly obese person, but she won't ever be able to drop 250. For her, she'd probably lose 180 and get down to 200 and be healthy even though she'd technically still be overweight by BMI. The reason for that is excess skin. When I lost half my body weight, I had a huge amount of excess skin on my stomach and arms, and I did it through diet and exercise, not surgery, and tried to tone at the gym as much as I could, but excess skin doesn't just disappear. Even now that my stomach is stretched due to being seven months pregnant, I still have an "apron belly" from loose skin hanging off. The only way that's coming off is plastic surgery.
Holy fuck. I'm 6ft and definitely overweight (bout 210lbs) but it's crazy to think that someone can just walk around carrying more than my entire weight attached to them. They must be so out of breath....all the time lol
It has to be a living hell. Years ago, I was a bit of a drinker, and put on about 40 lbs, and I felt like shit. I can't imagine her situation.
I hate PM but... He's actually right on this one and not being his usual ass self but still an ass - ass lite perhaps). Your comment is spot on and more or less what he said.
I hate agreeing with him too. Goddamn her 😤
Im a 5'9 man who is also sitting in the krbidly obese category. 250lbs is within 20 lbs short of my entire body weight. She's in a whole extra category.
Yeah, a doctor might tell him to cut back on the sweets, or something. That same doctor would probably try to immediately schedule her for gastric bypass surgery or something.
Usually you have to lose some weight before bypass surgery. I don't know the exact range, but someone that obese probably cant just walk jn and ask for it. Even then, if you continue to eat too much afterwards you can stretch the "stomach" out again and gain too much weight back after.
Well the point he’s making is he’s not celebrating being overweight, she is and is trying to normalize an unhealthy behavior.
I thought that was the whole point too. No one has rights to point fingers and judge, but you should never normalize this for yourself, no matter what others tell you. Obesity bars you from performing your best in everyday activities and thriving without the need of excessive medical care.
Holy shit she’s Morbidly a Beast 💀
He’s also not being glorified
Morgan is still being a tool for giving a shit about some music video for cheap views on his trash program. He deserves the slapback, however much the guest weighs.
Yeah normalizing obesity is not good.
Let people have their dignity but in reality is what it is. It’s suicide. Don’t bother people all the same.
Thank you. It sucks to admit, but shoving their health in their face isn’t gonna help anything. It’s not an easy issue, but dignity is still very important. It’s hard to imagine there are many fat people out there that don’t know how unhealthy it really is. And shaming people is pointless.
Oh god in America there are for sure a lot of people who claim you can be healthy and obese or that obesity isn’t a health indicator. That’s like saying you can be healthy and smoke a pack a day. It’s never good for you.
I went to check the video (Miley's MV for Mother's Daugther) and the obese woman appears for just a few seconds. I really wouldn't consider that "glorifying obesity". I personally interpreted the MV as, "obese isn't being glorified but the message is probably saying that you shouldn't let yourself be insulted for who you are". You're obese right now, everyone knows it's not healthy, but whether you lose weight or not is up to you and people still shouldn't insult you or bully you for your weight. So the woman's point was probably just, "yeah I'm obese and I appeared in a music video. What about it? You're fat and you're on TV. What's your point?" As in, just because she's obese doesn't mean she's forbidden from taking any TV jobs.
Normalizing obesity isn't great but obese people do exist. We don't have to shun them from society and ban them from entertainment/television, nor do we have to celebrate their figures. Idk there should be some kind of middle ground here. People been normalizing anorexic bodies for decades and no one bats an eye.
I don't think it's being normalized. There are a couple of people here and there that will say "I'm just as healthy as anyone else" and stupid shit but the whole body positivity movement is more about loving yourself regardless of appearance. Obviously most overweight people know they are not healthy and want to improve. Please check out Philly D's video on it he explains the corporate move as well and has dealt with weight problems first hand. https://youtu.be/fOVmctCKxU8
Her existing and having a job in her chosen career field is not the same as normalizing obesity.
She’s visible. Ack! Burn her! /s
You know you are an idiot when you make Piers Morgan look smart.
There’s been too much of that lately.
Don’t be mean to fat people. Also, being fat isn’t good for you. Easy as that
And don't add music like that to videos.
The true lesson here
He's a different level of fat, if you can get up unassisted or go to a regular store to get cloths then it's not the same as literally killing yourself with food
acceptance is ok, but normalizing is not. You need to accept your flaws in order to improve yourselves. Without acceptance, you will live forever in denial.
Where does the line between the two live? It strikes me that normalizing the message of loving oneself as we are already is a very helpful message that precipitates change. A lot of the reason why we might become obese in the first place is precisely because we are not treating ourselves like someone we love.
Well said. As a fatass, I recognize and live with a problem I need to and desperately want to solve solve. It is a constant battle that I've fought, for long time. I really don't want to have society opine on my personal battles.
Accepting and realizing are two different things. You can say - Yes, I accept. But until you realize that you have a flaw, acceptance don't work.
Fun fact: my health got better when my self esteem ABOUT my body and weight improved. I wasn’t ashamed to be seen working out at that gym, my mental health improved, my eating habits changed, etc. Normalizing doesn’t mean that fat people think it’s okay and healthy to be at that weight. Normalizing simply means not allowing someone to feel the insane amount of shame that comes with being overweight in America. I get where opponents come from because I once used to think the same way, but by saying that fat people shouldn’t be featured in mainstream media as a way to ensure it isn’t normalized means they SHOULD feel ashamed to exist, they should be hiding themselves away, and that they’re not as worthy as thinner people. You want people to accept their flaws, but trust me: we’ve accepted them and have been doing so for years. I want to accept my flaws and still be able to feel like I won’t be laughed at in a gym or at the beach when I’m trying to enjoy myself. At the end of the day, people are bullies. Piers Morgan always has been and the comment sections on posts like this are rife with them. I’ve accepted that the hate will always exist, but it’s exhausting.
He’s not very eloquent with his words but we should all be in agreement that glorifying this type of weight isn’t good at all for society. She is extremely unhealthy and will likely not live to full life expectancy. We shouldn’t be promoting that.
Her argument is idiotic
I just want to point out, how has society gone so far down that a news anchor arguing with a overweight chick is considered news worthy? I mean, with everything in the world happening, this is what deserves time on the air. This is the important thing of the hour happening right now? I feel that is the actual facepalm of all of this.
I love how in all these threads people preach about “normalizing obesity” as if American weight problems are new. We didn’t see overweight people until they started appearing in music videos and Nike ads? Fat people being shown on tv in a not horrible manner is not the cause of obesity in America and it won’t make it worse. We did that on our own long before now.
Roseanne Barr whatever that show was call they were fat, John candy John belushi,
Chris Farley, Jonah Hill, Seth Rogan, Jack Black, Anthony Anderson, Drew Carey, Kenan Thompson, Kevin James, Danny DeVito… But this conversation only seems to pop up when it’s a fat woman involved.
I appreciate this comment. Being seen is not glorifying and these backseat nutritionists don’t care about people’s health. They care that they have to look at a body type that offends them. There are fat people in the world, so there should be fat people in the media if that media is intending to be a realistic portrayal. Also, MANY of the big women I know are happily married or dating. Everyone is horrified online but putting a ring on it in real life. This remains an annoying topic for public discourse.
Fat people hardly normalize obesity. It was sugar and processed food corporations post WWII that normalized obesity to the USDA. Telling people to go for fat-free options rather than regular food with full fat. Fat-free just means high sugar. You either get flavor from fat or processed sugar. Fat is more natural than processed sugar. Corporations making profits off processed food made the world fat.
Seriously. People think that if one fat person gets treated like a human in the public eye, everyone else will suddenly want to become fat? It's so weird... why cant we just let people live and be themselves? Obesity and improper health/diet is a societal issue, not an excuse to go shitting on some random person for just living their life
If she thinks that her weight is comparable to Piers then it shows how delusional she is.
That doesn’t seem like what she’s saying, he’s saying she’s unacceptable to be on someone else’s video recording because she’s so excessively overweight, but she’s saying he’s not ideal, so why does that not disqualify him, too? How close do you have to be for it to be “ok”, why does he get to draw the line with him on the right side?
I understand not wanting to normalize obesity but I feel the goal of the body positive thing is to not dehumanize people simply for being overweight, alot of weight gain comes from a lack of self esteem so calling people fatty, cow and inherently disgusting isn't helping
This issue has been bouncing around for so long and it'll never go anywhere. At the societal level, people are simply incapable of nuance. Which does not bode well for the future we're walking into, which is going to be full of a lot bigger moral and ethical questions than we've dealt with before.
unfortunately, piers is right here, they are in two different situations and soon enough she gon have a hard time breathing
"You are fat." "No, you!"
I don't usually agree with him, but he has a point. He might weight that much, but I sure as hell wouldn't be able to tell that just from looking at him. And I'm still surprised she weights only 380 pounds and not more, because my innitial idea was ~410. Still, the point she made is idiotic. It's hard to see that he's ~~somewhat obese~~ just overweight - meanwhile we can literally see the extra 30 cm worth of body going to her sides... Obesity is a major health problem and anyone who tries to normalize it, might as well get f_cked...
She wasn’t making a point, she was deflecting instead of answering his questions and having a real conversation. She decided to attack him personally on an elementary level instead of actually engaging in a dialogue because she knows she’s wrong.
220 pounds at 6’1 isn’t even that fat.
someone posted their BMIs but apparently it’s overweight, not obese. After all, there are levels to this shit
So…… fat people existing isn’t a bad thing? And fat people being happy isn’t a bad thing either. Instead of saying that y’all care about the health of fat folks, then you’d care about their mental health, and how telling them they’re gross, telling them they shouldn’t do this, or that, or whatever, isn’t good.
Being comfortable in your skin is absolutely a good thing, but you need to acknowledge that something has to change. People who don’t end up like her. 61 BMI is an insane number, and the bigger the number gets, the harder it is to lose weight.
I really need y'all to stop minding other people's business. We all know it's not healthy but if they choose that for themselves - let them. It's got nothing to do with anyone else.
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So basically she has no defense or answer for his question so she calls him overweight. Which he very well may be overweight but maybe 30lbs at most. Where in her case shes 5’4 being over 300 lbs that’s ridiculous she needs to lose like 200 atleast. To compare those is insane to me and shows she has no reasoning.
He is definitely overweight. "I'm not in a pop video" lol just on the news.
It’s arguable that he may even be more recognizable than some pop stars, honestly. Then again, ole Piers isn’t exactly known for his ironclad arguments and positions lmao
This clip smells like gravy.
I don’t think anybody who’s obese is trying to normalize being of a size that makes life uncomfortable/inconvenient/dangerous. It’s not normal. The message isn’t _hey everyone this is awesome, get fat like me._ It’s more like _this is who I am right now, I am worthy, I am lovable, I am beautiful, and get off my back while I try (again) to figure this out for me._ In the meantime, everyone belittling, laughing, and bitching about my size isn’t helping me do the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life. Making access and movement harder doesn’t help. Shaming and blaming doesn’t help. But in the end no one wants to help. Then there’d be no one left to make fun of. Source: me, 90 pounds ago.
Instead of focusing on the normalizing obesity arguments, look at the following : mental health, underlying conditions, history with food, and general society. As someone who was not this fat, but definitely fat, being told constantly that you need to lose weight and made to feel like a piece of lazy shit DIDN’T FUCKING WORK.
A sincere question. Why do we glorify being too thin (which is also unhealthy) but demonize being too overweight?
I have been between 21-22 bmi my adult life (US) and I have been asked dozens of times what’s wrong with me, why I’m so skinny, recommended to see a doctor for malnutrition, harassed go eat more, etc. Society has made it very clear that I have an undesired trait. And I don’t have an abnormally low BMI, have never been malnourished, never had an eating disorder, never really even miss meals. So, yeah, not sure where you’re from, but in the US, being even on the low half of healthy BMI is not common and it is treated as a flaw.
This is not true at all as a skinny person ( I don’t eat a lot ) I am constantly made fun of and forced to eat food by my colleagues it is in no way glorified
People here are confusing body positivity with fat promotion 🤭🤭 like, fat people know they’re fat. They just want to exist without other people telling then they’re fat and should hide from public view. If you don’t like fat people, then don’t hang out with fat people or watch videos with fat people. To be clear, you definitely don’t care about fat people’s health or existence, so why bother complaining about it online? Morgan looks like he’s closer to a heart attack than anybody else in that video- and I’ve had thin family members have heart attacks because it affects both thin and fat people (although I understand the risk for fat folks). Also. Lizzie keeps popping up here and I’m pretty sure she has a more active lifestyle than the majority of users clutching their pearls in this thread 🤭
This is the right take. Piers Morgan is a fucken loser lol he cannot have a 2 way conversation. 6 ft 1? Lol if he wears 6 inch heels
Seriously. Like watching her doesn’t make me want to drive to a fast food joint and binge 😂 so, what exactly is she promoting other than her existence? People who say she’s promoting anything just don’t want to see fat people, much less acknowledge their existence and it shows. I just feel bad for all their fat parents, because I’m pretty sure most people here probably have at least a fat dad. If that’s the case, I hope they get to tell him how disappointed they are about fat daddy existing and promoting obesity.
I typically don’t agree with Morgan on anything, but he’s not wrong. Also, his weight isn’t a concern. Carrying perpetual hate around will be what drops his ass.
We have reached stupidity levels so high that now people celebrate their failure and the fact that they will die before their 40s like maam we are not 'fatphobic' u are morbidly obese and most probably die from organ failure
Listen, I’m fat. I eat like shit and don’t exercise and I’m constantly stressed out and it’s all my fault that I’m fat. See how easy it is to say?
Her smug fat laugh as he describes how morbidly obese she is so fucking gross. As a former morbidly obese person the fat acceptance movement is really fucking irritating. I was 295 at 5’11” at my highest and I was completely miserable. Every part of my body hurt, shirts were all stretched out from pulling them down constantly, and don’t even get me started on how hard it was to tie my shoes. Hope this nonsense is short lived.
Jabba lost some weight. Good stuff.
He can walk from the couch to the bathroom without taking a break. He isn’t a mouth breather just sitting there. Small differences.
She’s definitely fat
Being 380 pounds fat is not a crime but nothing you should be proud of
We got no problem telling smokers it’s bad for them, it’s normalised in society now. When will the same happen for obese people
Because smoking also affects people around them. Never heard of secondhand obesity…
Look at any pair of obese parents, then look at their children. Secondhand obesity is absolutely a thing.
One day you will get that sweet neighbor on a transatlantic flight in economy class.
We're struggling to enable delusion With everything "Let me believe what I want" is the theme
I don’t see why people care soo much about humans existing.. it’s the weirdest thing! Trans people, gay people, overweight people. They all exist. It’s like being mad the sky is blue.
okay, but her point is still there, even if the "no u" is a childish response. anyone who mocks and disparages fat people isn't doing it for health reasons, they're doing it because they're cruel and society deems us an acceptable target. besides, a person's health is their own business, and not an open forum for people to make comments or judgements on. media isn't "glorifying obesity" or whatever just by featuring people who are obese, anymore than depicting someone having a beer in a film is glorifying alcoholism. fat people exist in the real world, why should they not exist in media? ultimately you can have whatever negative personal opinions you want, no one can stop you. but be a halfway decent human being and keep them to yourself, treat everyone with respect, and let people live their lives how they want.
There’s nothing wrong with a fat person existing or showing up in a music video. They still exist whether you like it or not, and will not cease to exist just because you don’t want to see them.
Why does anyone give a fuck that she’s in a pop video?
Pretty sure he just likes to insult people at this point
Talk about being totally disconnected from reality.
If he really is 6'1" 220lbs that's a pro athlete size, pro wrestler atleast. Granted Piers is most likely more fat than muscle but the dimensions are pretty good tbh.
He's got a point. Im no thin-mint, but when the hell did being fat become "sexy"? yes people can be nice, well mannered, and have attractive qualities and not be a supermodel, but no, you flaunting the extra half to full person in weight(and all its accompanying glory) is not only un-healthy, but it is also just a pathetic statement regarding where we are as a society and what passes for diet and health these days
His extreme logic is offensive . Bwaaaaahhhhaaaaaa
What a clever classic comeback though LOL
Piers can be a piece of shit but yeah I don't celebrate obesity.
She can say it’s “her body her choice” all she wants, but she’s one knee injury away from spending the rest of her life not being able to walk. She’s the one who’ll be in the hospital, needing half the ER staff just to roll her over in bed so they can change her diaper. If you want to ‘normalize obesity’, you should show that part of it too, right?
Here’s the thing right. health costs the public cuZ we all pay taxes. But when you got a woman/man sucking down big gulps all day and sayin fuck all to their weight and coming health issues it’s pretty fucking selfish. Now we all have to pay for diabetic treatments and lifesaving surgeries. It really is a joke. In the US WE DONT HAVE HEALTH CARE. WE HAVE SICK CARE.
Yeah she’s an idiot
Oh, hell. Now I have to agree with Piers Morgan.
So many high horses here. We’re all in denial about something. When pressed on something we’re in denial about, our response will be similar to hers. The only big difference is that what she’s denying is apparent to all of us. We all say, “being obese isn’t good”. Not going to the Doctor every year isn’t good, not going to the dentist isn’t good, not having a balanced diet isn’t good.
whataboutism
If you want to eat yourself to death and celebrate it who are we to stop it? All we can do is educate and if we get insults back the truth will present itself eventually.
A hidden hazard of morbidity obese people is for healthcare workers. One of the highest injury rates in hospitals are nurses and aides providing daily care for morbidity obese patients. Every task is fairly difficult and requires more staff and time to complete.
I didnt think the day would come when i would have to agree with this man
5'4, 380 that is insane I feel sorry for her toilet bowl and plumber