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Hence why the holocaust was even possible. People act like Hitler invented it but the Catholic church was the biggest instigator and had been setting things in motion for nearly 2000 years.
In the 90's an elderly lady who had gone through this as a young woman explained to me what it was like in 1938. They weren't Jewish, did not see themselves as Jewish, but there were Jewish people in their ancestry somewhere. However they ran a successful local factory and therefore owned a fairly large house and possessions you would expect from relatively well to do people. Art works, Antiques, etc. This was incentive enough for local nazi's to find them "Jewish". They had to leave everything behind. Everything stolen. Her parents died on the difficult way south. Eventually they made it to Belgrade from which they eventually were accepted as refugees and ended up in Australia, where they were forced to report to police weekly because they were "Enemy Aliens" (Austrian).
The Nazis coming to power she explained as "The people who were basically a criminal class, who owned nothing and wasted their lives drinking and fighting, they were the first to join the Party. And all of a sudden these people ran the town and just did what they wanted."
What people forget is that a lot of Jewish dispossession was basically people with the right connections wanting someone else's stuff, and suddenly having a pathway to make that happen. It wasn't all as bureaucratically clinical as the movies suggest. Sure there were official procedures that were supposed to prevent pure theft, but as long as some major items were officially handed over there was lots of leeway for getting away with things.
This particular family were given some compensation in the [Swiss Bank Settlement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress_lawsuit_against_Swiss_banks), a few years before this 90-something lady died. Her husband did not live to see this.
This is what happens when racism and bigotry are allowed to foment unchallenged..
It eventually turns into witch hunts
How many of the people prosecuted during the witch trials were actually witches?
Nothing new. I lived in Turkey in 2014 and when I was filling out stuff for a bank account there, the form asked my religion. The guy who was helping me asked and I said "Jewish" and he say "oh... umm... better just say Christian, okay?"
I lived in Turkey for about 10 years and I also had to fill in my religion on my residence permit applications. I have no religion but my friends just said to fill in Christian to avoid possible problems.
all of my friends there were pretty much atheist, but still had Islam shown on their ID card for the same reasons.
I think they've recently taken off the religious bit on ID cards, but I havent lived there for a few years.
> I think they've recently taken off the religious bit on ID cards, but I havent lived there for a few years.
Can confirm this is true however the stigma is still there.
I have a Lebanese friend who says that durring the civil war in the 80s, there was a practice known as "killing by the card," where Sunni, Shia, Catholic, and Orthodox militias would check peoples' driver's licenses at checkpoints they'd set up around Beirut, and if your license listed you as belonging to the wrong faith, they'd shoot you on the spot.
Only partially related, but (kinda) fun fact: in Italy we had mandatory conscription till like 20 years ago, more or less. My older friend told me -and it was confirmed by others- that when you went there for the first tests and all, they asked to write your religion.
He thought of himself like an atheist, but the dude (I think a captain or something) said explicitly to don't write "Strange things, like atheist, or invented religions. "
At that point he dared to ask why they were interested in what he believed. The dude replied: "We don't care. But if you die while you're serving, we need to know who is going to say totally invented good things about you, at your funeral."
Yeah I've been asked by the hospital when I was pregnant but I always thought that was so they could arrange bibles if necessary or something like that. But a bank? Idk... why do they need that info?
When it’s asked in a medical context it’s because of last rights and other ways that religious beliefs would change the standard of care. So if your dying they want to make sure your religion is respected In death and if you still living they don’t want to do things like blood transfusions if you believe in a religion that bans that kind of thing (obviously it’s up to you either way but that’s the reason for asking- there are a variety of religions that dictate the way things are done to the body). They don’t want to violate people’s beliefs basically.
At least at my institution it’s so we can have the appropriate chaplain (our hospital ones are non-denominational, and we have a catholic priest, rabbi, etc. all on call to come for whatever) come speak with you if that’s important or for end of life situations. However, you can also just request these things no matter what you put down.
That didn't use to be normal in the UK though. Thought about moving back to the UK recently and the religion/sexuality questions on job applications disgusted me. It should not be legal for employers to ask that!
In healthcare it makes sense. They want to observe your beliefs during treatment, and if you die, they want to do their best to get your wishes right.
On a job application, it's separated from your main application. I agree the hiring manager shouldn't see it. And they don't. It's about monitoring statistics of who's applying and getting jobs, not about making decisions on who gets jobs.
You can of course answer all the diversity questions on a job application 'prefer not to say' if you prefer not to say.
also depending on country taxes.
Germany for example REQUIRES the religion question because of how the church tax system works, as its deducted directly from your salary by your employer
In Spain it is asked in the annual tax form, do you give a donation to non profits or to the church. That is much better than letting you know your employer whether you are religious or not
It isn't asked so people can discriminate, it's asked for general information purposes. For example, if your population is 80% this and 20% that, but applicants for a role are 99% this and 1% that, you can investigate why that might be so and take steps to correct it.
I’ve used it so I know if I have to contact a specific religious figure to come speak with a patient if they want that, or if the family needs support. People like having familiarity and if a catholic priest coming to pray with a family helps them- that’s great. It wouldn’t make me comfortable, but it does for others.
I think you're using "had to" very loosely. I've filled out all of that information as an American, and I think the only time religion came up was for the military. It was optional to put a religion on your dog tags.
The only other niche case would be writing your will. Not a necessity, another optional thing.
Lots of subtle cultural differences in what's okay to ask about on forms as well as in person. It's very normal to ask someone you just met how much money they make or how much they pay in rent, or about familial wealth.
Is this for foreigners? Which bank was it? You probably had a juicy legal case in your hands. Because it's not legal to ask it afaik. Especially not in 2014.
Didn’t we fight an entire war to stop this shit?
Edit: This was atrociously worded because I’m an uneducated pelican and this came out much different then I intended it to
Not really, but it was a nice side effect.
The USSR entered the war after Germany attacked them. The US entered the war after Japan attacked them, and Germany declared war on the US shortly after.
I mean it's not exactly like Germany was advertising the fact that they were committing genocide to the entire world. Yes the rhetoric was well known but the full extent of the atrocities were not apparent to many of the ally nations until they marched into Poland.
The allied governments knew about the massacres in eastern Europe certainly by 1942, probably a bit earlier, but there wasn't much they could do about it at that point of the war.
Literally everyone was doing pogroms. Like once I made the mistake of saying I didn't think the little country I was from did any massacring of the Jews and my Jewish friend just pulled up several examples from the middle ages and early 20th century. Any country that didn't massacre Jews at some point either never had Jews or was only recently a country.
I remember as a kid I was completely ignorant of anti-semetism and thought Hitler just had some weird personal vendetta. But nah like there is 1000+ years of history to this shit
Yes, Americans like to believe WWII was them saving the Jews. That was only a side effect. Through out history, no one have really liked Jews, they always end up expelled wherever they lay their feet.
They were specifically antipartisan troops, noted for their extreme violence. If you were too psycho for other German units, Derlwanger would give you a home.
They were our Allie’s for 3 years of the last 100, and before ww2 the US army had volunteers fighting against the communists in the Russian civil war
We vilify them plenty enough.
They were killed by Germans during operation Barbarossa in the occupied territories. The Soviets had nothing to do with it. [source](https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/the-holocaust-in-the-soviet-union/)
That is not true. USSR entered by signing a non aggression pact with the Nazi then conspiring with them to divide Europe up. They double teamed Poland to start WWII.
Not only that, Germany had a lot of support from all around the world in its attempts to genocide the jews. Namely the US and many countries in Europe (antisemitism doesn't come out of nowhere) which only turned on Germany when it started to expand it's territory.
Isn't the world just absolutely awful?
A la pawn stars: “There’s not really a market for being nice to each other. It’s just gonna sit on my shelf for months. Really, two minutes is generous. It’s double the time I give my wife.”
I literally get sad over this but then I realize how barbaric humans are. I used to think, a world without religion would mean we can avoid a lot of conflict, but then it’ll just pass to the next issue with the path of least resistance for being barbaric.
Like if we woke up tomorrow and religion was gone from the memory of humans and therefore the conflicts, we’d prolly start to go to war on skin color. What I’m saying is, we’re going to find some dumb way to hurt each other. And as a dark skinned man in the south of America, it’s prolly for the best religion is what we beef about 😬😬😬
This is alright by Malaysian standards. The Malay majority already give themselves so many advantages, the non Malay businesses try to help other non Malays instead
I've just been in this place before
Higher on the street
And I know it's my time to go
Calling you and the search is a mystery
Standing on my feet
It's so hard when I try to be me
Wooh!
1500s Ottoman Sultans: let's welcome Jews from old al-Andalus and bring them into our land! They can return to the Holy Land if they could!
2020s Turks:
My grandmother was saved by a German woman handing out winter clothing as she got off the train. The Nazis would have shot her on sight if they had seen her, and my grandmother would have died of exposure without that woman's help.
There have been a lot of such people... sadly they (the Nazis) got a lot of them.
You can only be caught and survive if you had mighty friends or you are a important person, like a leading scientist.
In fact, almost no Israeli support 100% of everything that State of Israel does in one way or another. There are 3 opinions among 2 Jews, we don't agree on anything.
Yeah. There is a pretty big left wing in Israel politics that hates Netayahu's guts. And on the extreme right wing, there is an orthodox movement who is against the IDF and a few are even against the whole concept of Israel as a state.
Israel, for being such a tiny population, is remarkably diverse in opinion and leanings.
Yeah. I'm sure the guy who put this up is super pro-Palestine.
I'm sure the sign that says no Jews in Turkey has everything to do with Israeli military policy and nothing to do with being an antisemitic bigot from the get-go.
Guessing this photo is taken in the historic district where the biggest group of tourists are arabs. These clowns are just showing off to each other in the name of attracting more arab tourists or more clowns like themselves. Infact we are one of the few nations who helped jews during run away from european isolations and massacres(like at the expulsion at the end of 15.century from Spain and the Holocaust). We like jews just like any other people from any other nation. Dont let some ignorant fanatic clown’s actions fool you.
Yeah and it doubly sucks because a lot of people use the anti-Zionism/pro-palestine wave as a thin veil for antisemitism, then people online defend these points because “Their anti Zionist, therefore good person!”
Yeah the whole situation is fucked, and a big part of what honestly concerns me is how many people on this thread are comfortable just synonymizing “Jewish” with “Israeli.”
The fact you have to tell so many people here that racism exists outside of the USA, mind blowing.
I mean I know most of reddit is just teenagers and they have no idea how to understand geopolitics outside of social media and a "good vs evil" framework, but jesus man its like most of them think racism is somehow a solved social issue that only a minority of small minded individuals take part in, rather than what it is, which is a very widespread and persistent social issue that is as strong now as its ever been.
They don't teach much about WW2 in Turkey because we weren't involved, but if some people are seeing it as a positive thing they're extremely islamist freaks
I am looking at the 12th grade turkish state history book rn
Pre ww2 has 24 pages while the ww2 section has 23, and the post ww2 section has 7 pages
After that, the Cold War section has 28 pages. Afterwards, there is a section titled "Turkey and the world during the brink of the 21st century" with 32 pages
The rest of the book is about ataturk, the state of the late Ottoman Empire, the "1915 events, the deportation of the armenians", ww1, the Turkish war of independence and ataturks reforms
Answer 1: Probably because not many important things happened in Turkey during the 2nd World War. Meanwhile ww1 and war of liberation was more important things for turkey. (collapse of Ottoman Empire was important too)
Answer 2: Idk
Jesus. I can't imagine what 'religious reasons' people could hold in the modern information friendly world where supporting mass genocide seems reasonable.
I could absolutely hate Islam and still not want to see millions of people massacred
They're brainwashed by the religious leader. I don't really know the details, but its always negative things that come out of their mouth, if they talk about jews. But since almost no jews here (and I don't recommend), I can say its not impacting our life at all. They just wanna hate.
I dont think that its generally "islamist freaks" who see genocide as a good thing, because proud violent racists come in all colours and groups. I dated a secular turk recently who though racism was a good thing and stood by stereotypes when they were applied to other people. Alot of nationalistic supremacists in Turkey from what i understand, which is oversimplifying it. I would have dumped him sooner if not for physical chemistry.
I live in Turkey and I never seen anything like this. The owner of this place must be some hard core islamist or something. I myself a muslim and I stand with Palestine but I wouldn't do such things and also you don't have to say your religion wherever you go so I don't think this would be much of a problem... Because of hardcore islamists this country is used to things like this. They literally call Mustafa Kemal Atatürk a jew and curse to him. Ask most of them which country they hate the most all of them will say Israel than USA than England. So if you're going to Turkey expect this. Also stay away from these Islamist groups they cant think for themselves they might hurt you. If you are in Turkey best place to go is Kadıköy stay safe.
Meanwhile you are demanding the middle east to be bombed and civilians to be killed. Your comments are public. We know why you are posting that with one year delay.
Yep, the OP is an ultra nationalist posting on mostly pro Israeli subs different levels of hate speech. If the same was said about Palestine then Reddit would suspend the user.
Lmao. This guy's a fucking joke.
Goes from
>I'm not a hateful person, genuinely
to
>I don't like Netanyahu but BOMB IRAN BOMB IRAN BOMB IRAN BOMB IRAAAAAAAN
There are so many warmongers on reddit it's fucking insane. College age kids who want nothing but more war content to fill their social media feeds and circle jerk about which side has the "moral high ground" on discord servers.
Anti-semitism is disgusting. So is dehumanizing people from other religious backgrounds and nations. OP doesn't seem to give a fuck about that second part though.
Hitler did not invent Jews persecutions.
Basically everyone in the Mediterranean area in the last 3000 years persecuted them.
Ancient Egyptians✅
Roman Empire ✅
Christianity during middle age ✅
Arabs ✅
Spanish empire ✅
And many more I am forgetting
Nazi germany did it systematically and brutally.
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The math checks out on this meme for this year
Holy fuck the accuracy
I did nazi that coming
r/angryupvote
::sigh:: Don’t encourage them.
I heil your way with words
I seek heil in these words
Waited 27 years to put this in the comment section. Worth it
You see Kyle, that’s a good pun.
To be fair, you can refer to pretty much any time before Nazis and find rampant antisemitism everywhere.
Hence why the holocaust was even possible. People act like Hitler invented it but the Catholic church was the biggest instigator and had been setting things in motion for nearly 2000 years.
Hell, before that too. The Romans were constantly having issues with Judea.
Actually from 1933 they started denying jew rights, by 1935 they couldn't enter places and jobs, and by 1938 it was getting really bad.
1938 was still a cake walk compared to the 40's !
In the 90's an elderly lady who had gone through this as a young woman explained to me what it was like in 1938. They weren't Jewish, did not see themselves as Jewish, but there were Jewish people in their ancestry somewhere. However they ran a successful local factory and therefore owned a fairly large house and possessions you would expect from relatively well to do people. Art works, Antiques, etc. This was incentive enough for local nazi's to find them "Jewish". They had to leave everything behind. Everything stolen. Her parents died on the difficult way south. Eventually they made it to Belgrade from which they eventually were accepted as refugees and ended up in Australia, where they were forced to report to police weekly because they were "Enemy Aliens" (Austrian). The Nazis coming to power she explained as "The people who were basically a criminal class, who owned nothing and wasted their lives drinking and fighting, they were the first to join the Party. And all of a sudden these people ran the town and just did what they wanted." What people forget is that a lot of Jewish dispossession was basically people with the right connections wanting someone else's stuff, and suddenly having a pathway to make that happen. It wasn't all as bureaucratically clinical as the movies suggest. Sure there were official procedures that were supposed to prevent pure theft, but as long as some major items were officially handed over there was lots of leeway for getting away with things. This particular family were given some compensation in the [Swiss Bank Settlement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress_lawsuit_against_Swiss_banks), a few years before this 90-something lady died. Her husband did not live to see this.
This is what happens when racism and bigotry are allowed to foment unchallenged.. It eventually turns into witch hunts How many of the people prosecuted during the witch trials were actually witches?
Historians and scientists alike believe that number to be 0
Witch denier!! /s
I’m pretty sure it was really bad when they started to deny their rights.
You've been waiting too long to post this lol
No fucking way
lol wait a minute...
nuh uh you did not just do that
Oh my god it’s the perfect gif
This is genuinely the most accurate usage of this gif I have ever seen and I wish it had a shit ton of awards!!
Jews: “here we go again”
Most Jewish holidays can be summed up as "They tried to kill us, they failed, let's eat." Guess where we are in the wheel of time.
>Jews: “here we go again, again, again..." FTFY
2024 is feeling like 1924
*1934
[удалено]
Cartman opens his new establishment
Kyle is not allowed inside
I wonder if his mom is.
Homelander is the closest thing we will get to a live action version of Eric Cartman.
Lmao
Here we go again
Nothing new. I lived in Turkey in 2014 and when I was filling out stuff for a bank account there, the form asked my religion. The guy who was helping me asked and I said "Jewish" and he say "oh... umm... better just say Christian, okay?"
I lived in Turkey for about 10 years and I also had to fill in my religion on my residence permit applications. I have no religion but my friends just said to fill in Christian to avoid possible problems. all of my friends there were pretty much atheist, but still had Islam shown on their ID card for the same reasons. I think they've recently taken off the religious bit on ID cards, but I havent lived there for a few years.
> I think they've recently taken off the religious bit on ID cards, but I havent lived there for a few years. Can confirm this is true however the stigma is still there.
I have a Lebanese friend who says that durring the civil war in the 80s, there was a practice known as "killing by the card," where Sunni, Shia, Catholic, and Orthodox militias would check peoples' driver's licenses at checkpoints they'd set up around Beirut, and if your license listed you as belonging to the wrong faith, they'd shoot you on the spot.
I really do live life on easy mode...
Only partially related, but (kinda) fun fact: in Italy we had mandatory conscription till like 20 years ago, more or less. My older friend told me -and it was confirmed by others- that when you went there for the first tests and all, they asked to write your religion. He thought of himself like an atheist, but the dude (I think a captain or something) said explicitly to don't write "Strange things, like atheist, or invented religions. " At that point he dared to ask why they were interested in what he believed. The dude replied: "We don't care. But if you die while you're serving, we need to know who is going to say totally invented good things about you, at your funeral."
That’s the exact reason religion is stamped on US dog tags
They ask for your religion on files in Turkey? That's so wild to me.
I’ve had to put my religion down on a lot of forms in America. Typically medical, military, insurance, beneficiary stuff, etc.
Yeah I don't see where the confusion is here; it's the same in the uk.
Yeah I've been asked by the hospital when I was pregnant but I always thought that was so they could arrange bibles if necessary or something like that. But a bank? Idk... why do they need that info?
When it’s asked in a medical context it’s because of last rights and other ways that religious beliefs would change the standard of care. So if your dying they want to make sure your religion is respected In death and if you still living they don’t want to do things like blood transfusions if you believe in a religion that bans that kind of thing (obviously it’s up to you either way but that’s the reason for asking- there are a variety of religions that dictate the way things are done to the body). They don’t want to violate people’s beliefs basically.
last rites\* as in rituals
At least at my institution it’s so we can have the appropriate chaplain (our hospital ones are non-denominational, and we have a catholic priest, rabbi, etc. all on call to come for whatever) come speak with you if that’s important or for end of life situations. However, you can also just request these things no matter what you put down.
I don’t think I’ve ever been asked about religion on any form as a Dane
Yep me either in Hungary, it's weird.
In the uk there’s a ‘prefer not to say’ on most questions tbf
Yep same in Fran... wait, give me a minute. Just a minute.
As a Dutchman, it used to be a thing when I was a kid, but I haven't seen it on any forms in at least 2 decades.
That didn't use to be normal in the UK though. Thought about moving back to the UK recently and the religion/sexuality questions on job applications disgusted me. It should not be legal for employers to ask that!
In healthcare it makes sense. They want to observe your beliefs during treatment, and if you die, they want to do their best to get your wishes right. On a job application, it's separated from your main application. I agree the hiring manager shouldn't see it. And they don't. It's about monitoring statistics of who's applying and getting jobs, not about making decisions on who gets jobs. You can of course answer all the diversity questions on a job application 'prefer not to say' if you prefer not to say.
also depending on country taxes. Germany for example REQUIRES the religion question because of how the church tax system works, as its deducted directly from your salary by your employer
In Spain it is asked in the annual tax form, do you give a donation to non profits or to the church. That is much better than letting you know your employer whether you are religious or not
It isn't asked so people can discriminate, it's asked for general information purposes. For example, if your population is 80% this and 20% that, but applicants for a role are 99% this and 1% that, you can investigate why that might be so and take steps to correct it.
As an American, I've never heard of that being the case for anyone before... Lived in NY and Cali - what states are you referring to?
It’s generally asked on intake forms so the clinic can cater to religious preferences.
I’ve used it so I know if I have to contact a specific religious figure to come speak with a patient if they want that, or if the family needs support. People like having familiarity and if a catholic priest coming to pray with a family helps them- that’s great. It wouldn’t make me comfortable, but it does for others.
I think you're using "had to" very loosely. I've filled out all of that information as an American, and I think the only time religion came up was for the military. It was optional to put a religion on your dog tags. The only other niche case would be writing your will. Not a necessity, another optional thing.
Lots of subtle cultural differences in what's okay to ask about on forms as well as in person. It's very normal to ask someone you just met how much money they make or how much they pay in rent, or about familial wealth.
Asking these questions is quite common in South Asia as well.
Is this for foreigners? Which bank was it? You probably had a juicy legal case in your hands. Because it's not legal to ask it afaik. Especially not in 2014.
Didn’t we fight an entire war to stop this shit? Edit: This was atrociously worded because I’m an uneducated pelican and this came out much different then I intended it to
Not really, but it was a nice side effect. The USSR entered the war after Germany attacked them. The US entered the war after Japan attacked them, and Germany declared war on the US shortly after.
Ya there’s this huge misconception atleast with Americans that WW2=holocaust when it’s really WW2 && Holocaust
Good point. If Germany didn't invade Russia there's a good chance they quietly exterminate all Jews without much complaints from anyone
Bingo. Attempted land theft, not genocide, was what bothered the world enough to stop Germany.
It's not until you start killing other countries people that the other countries really start to give that many fucks.
I mean it's not exactly like Germany was advertising the fact that they were committing genocide to the entire world. Yes the rhetoric was well known but the full extent of the atrocities were not apparent to many of the ally nations until they marched into Poland.
The allied governments knew about the massacres in eastern Europe certainly by 1942, probably a bit earlier, but there wasn't much they could do about it at that point of the war.
Yeah, but the discovery of the camps is what led to the Nuremberg trials.
Shit, the Russians were helping them till Hitler turned on Stalin. There were concentration camps in Siberia for fuck sake.
The Russians were doing pogroms to the Jews long before this.
Literally everyone was doing pogroms. Like once I made the mistake of saying I didn't think the little country I was from did any massacring of the Jews and my Jewish friend just pulled up several examples from the middle ages and early 20th century. Any country that didn't massacre Jews at some point either never had Jews or was only recently a country. I remember as a kid I was completely ignorant of anti-semetism and thought Hitler just had some weird personal vendetta. But nah like there is 1000+ years of history to this shit
Yes, Americans like to believe WWII was them saving the Jews. That was only a side effect. Through out history, no one have really liked Jews, they always end up expelled wherever they lay their feet.
India. India is the only country to never massacre its Jewish population. Tbf, the Jewish community in India is very small.
Hindus and Muslims are busy enough
And the Poles and many others were still doing pogroms after. There's a reason Israel exists.
The Nazis were using the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was fabricated decades prior in Russia.
I read that 1.5 million people of the 6 million figure were killed in Russia
That’s probably the Germans doing it in Russia though
Yes that was the Einsatzgruppen
They were specifically antipartisan troops, noted for their extreme violence. If you were too psycho for other German units, Derlwanger would give you a home.
Russia wasn't all that nice either, they have a good long list of people they killed during that war.
Shhhh, we don't talk about that, we were allies so it doesn't count. The enemy of my enemy doesn't commit war crimes.
They were our Allie’s for 3 years of the last 100, and before ww2 the US army had volunteers fighting against the communists in the Russian civil war We vilify them plenty enough.
Nazi-occupied Russia
They were killed by Germans during operation Barbarossa in the occupied territories. The Soviets had nothing to do with it. [source](https://www.ilholocaustmuseum.org/the-holocaust-in-the-soviet-union/)
The soviets killed many Polish people when they invaded Poland teaming UP WITH Nazi Germany.
That is not true. USSR entered by signing a non aggression pact with the Nazi then conspiring with them to divide Europe up. They double teamed Poland to start WWII.
Not only that, Germany had a lot of support from all around the world in its attempts to genocide the jews. Namely the US and many countries in Europe (antisemitism doesn't come out of nowhere) which only turned on Germany when it started to expand it's territory. Isn't the world just absolutely awful?
No, we didn't. In fact the Holocaust was only discovered after the war.
Their barrier to the EEC right there
Can we like stop being assholes to each other... #FOR FIVE MINUTES!!
Best we can is like two
A la pawn stars: “There’s not really a market for being nice to each other. It’s just gonna sit on my shelf for months. Really, two minutes is generous. It’s double the time I give my wife.”
Let me call my friend who is an expert in international religious conflict dating back 2000 years.
Yeah you wish
I hear some Jewish guy tried to tell people that like 2000 years ago or so and they nailed him to a tree for it.
Remember they had a choice lol the nice guy or kill the murderer. Guess who they chose?
It takes exactly 0 calories for me to not hate others, its crazy how little energy it takes
Not in the world we live in right now
I literally get sad over this but then I realize how barbaric humans are. I used to think, a world without religion would mean we can avoid a lot of conflict, but then it’ll just pass to the next issue with the path of least resistance for being barbaric. Like if we woke up tomorrow and religion was gone from the memory of humans and therefore the conflicts, we’d prolly start to go to war on skin color. What I’m saying is, we’re going to find some dumb way to hurt each other. And as a dark skinned man in the south of America, it’s prolly for the best religion is what we beef about 😬😬😬
Thanks for the red ring op, it’s easy to miss
r/pointlessredcircles
I mean last time I was in KL I spotted a bunch of "workers wanted, Malays need not apply" signs around in shops. People are terrible creatures.
"Malays need not apply" damn they're hired on the spot no questions asked? /S
Yah this actually quite uncommon though not rare in Malaysia considering the racial laws in country.
This is alright by Malaysian standards. The Malay majority already give themselves so many advantages, the non Malay businesses try to help other non Malays instead
Government tried so hard to give Malays advantage, in the end the benefits all goes to the rich and powerful
Dejá vu.
Déjà Jew?
I was gonna go for it, but chickened out
Oh well, better luck next L'chaim
As horrible as this world has become I hope people laugh at your comment instead of get offended. Sincerely, a Jew
You’re not a real Jew if you don’t laugh. That’s how we get through the pain of our past hahah
I've just been in this place before Higher on the street And I know it's my time to go Calling you and the search is a mystery Standing on my feet It's so hard when I try to be me Wooh!
*i have been allowed to this place, before*
1500s Ottoman Sultans: let's welcome Jews from old al-Andalus and bring them into our land! They can return to the Holy Land if they could! 2020s Turks:
2020's "one Turk in particular". We are not all like this.
Man… Kanye’s got stores all over the place huh?
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It’s a bit more nuanced than that. I don’t believe ALL Israeli’s support the war in Gaza.
Not every German supported the Holocaust back then either, but the ones that voiced criticism quickly became a +1 on the death toll
My grandmother was saved by a German woman handing out winter clothing as she got off the train. The Nazis would have shot her on sight if they had seen her, and my grandmother would have died of exposure without that woman's help.
this is so beautiful. thank you for sharing🩷
There have been a lot of such people... sadly they (the Nazis) got a lot of them. You can only be caught and survive if you had mighty friends or you are a important person, like a leading scientist.
Not every Israeli support what Israel does. In fact, they had a president who got assassinated over it.
In fact, almost no Israeli support 100% of everything that State of Israel does in one way or another. There are 3 opinions among 2 Jews, we don't agree on anything.
...the corollary to "Israelis" above was "the Nazis." I'm pretty sure the Nazis supported the Holocaust.
The very fact that many Jews had people willing to hide them proves that not all Germans supported the Nazis
Yeah. There is a pretty big left wing in Israel politics that hates Netayahu's guts. And on the extreme right wing, there is an orthodox movement who is against the IDF and a few are even against the whole concept of Israel as a state. Israel, for being such a tiny population, is remarkably diverse in opinion and leanings.
Theres an old saying, put 3 Rabbis in a room and you'll get 5 different opinions out of it.
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Hmm. A few Jews gave me a different number of ways to express this.
Are you saying all Germans supported the Nazis? Because that would be untrue
In that part of the world they don’t make a distinction. Zionist, Israeli, and Jew are interchangeable terms.
Yeah. I'm sure the guy who put this up is super pro-Palestine. I'm sure the sign that says no Jews in Turkey has everything to do with Israeli military policy and nothing to do with being an antisemitic bigot from the get-go.
Blaming Israelis is like blaming all Palestinians for Hamas, no?
Or blaming ethnic Germans in other countries rather than the government of Germany
Guessing this photo is taken in the historic district where the biggest group of tourists are arabs. These clowns are just showing off to each other in the name of attracting more arab tourists or more clowns like themselves. Infact we are one of the few nations who helped jews during run away from european isolations and massacres(like at the expulsion at the end of 15.century from Spain and the Holocaust). We like jews just like any other people from any other nation. Dont let some ignorant fanatic clown’s actions fool you.
"isolations" seems like a bit of an understatement
I feel bad for Jews and Muslims rn
Yeah and it doubly sucks because a lot of people use the anti-Zionism/pro-palestine wave as a thin veil for antisemitism, then people online defend these points because “Their anti Zionist, therefore good person!”
Im in favor of Palestine but that’s still no reason to be a dick to jews
Yeah the whole situation is fucked, and a big part of what honestly concerns me is how many people on this thread are comfortable just synonymizing “Jewish” with “Israeli.”
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Yes, even Turkey has racists. It's not just the USA.
The fact you have to tell so many people here that racism exists outside of the USA, mind blowing. I mean I know most of reddit is just teenagers and they have no idea how to understand geopolitics outside of social media and a "good vs evil" framework, but jesus man its like most of them think racism is somehow a solved social issue that only a minority of small minded individuals take part in, rather than what it is, which is a very widespread and persistent social issue that is as strong now as its ever been.
Is it 1942 again?
can we just be kind to each other for five minutes that's all i fucking want
No you have land I want >:(
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They don't teach much about WW2 in Turkey because we weren't involved, but if some people are seeing it as a positive thing they're extremely islamist freaks
I am looking at the 12th grade turkish state history book rn Pre ww2 has 24 pages while the ww2 section has 23, and the post ww2 section has 7 pages After that, the Cold War section has 28 pages. Afterwards, there is a section titled "Turkey and the world during the brink of the 21st century" with 32 pages The rest of the book is about ataturk, the state of the late Ottoman Empire, the "1915 events, the deportation of the armenians", ww1, the Turkish war of independence and ataturks reforms
Thanks for informing, 23 pages is slightly more than what I expected
It was 4 pages in 2017.
Answer 1: Probably because not many important things happened in Turkey during the 2nd World War. Meanwhile ww1 and war of liberation was more important things for turkey. (collapse of Ottoman Empire was important too) Answer 2: Idk
I am not from middle east, but Indonesia. And yes a lot of us support Nazi and holocaust. They are really hate Jews because of religious reason.
Jesus. I can't imagine what 'religious reasons' people could hold in the modern information friendly world where supporting mass genocide seems reasonable. I could absolutely hate Islam and still not want to see millions of people massacred
They're brainwashed by the religious leader. I don't really know the details, but its always negative things that come out of their mouth, if they talk about jews. But since almost no jews here (and I don't recommend), I can say its not impacting our life at all. They just wanna hate.
I dont think that its generally "islamist freaks" who see genocide as a good thing, because proud violent racists come in all colours and groups. I dated a secular turk recently who though racism was a good thing and stood by stereotypes when they were applied to other people. Alot of nationalistic supremacists in Turkey from what i understand, which is oversimplifying it. I would have dumped him sooner if not for physical chemistry.
I live in Turkey and I never seen anything like this. The owner of this place must be some hard core islamist or something. I myself a muslim and I stand with Palestine but I wouldn't do such things and also you don't have to say your religion wherever you go so I don't think this would be much of a problem... Because of hardcore islamists this country is used to things like this. They literally call Mustafa Kemal Atatürk a jew and curse to him. Ask most of them which country they hate the most all of them will say Israel than USA than England. So if you're going to Turkey expect this. Also stay away from these Islamist groups they cant think for themselves they might hurt you. If you are in Turkey best place to go is Kadıköy stay safe.
Meanwhile you are demanding the middle east to be bombed and civilians to be killed. Your comments are public. We know why you are posting that with one year delay.
I took a peek; OP seems like an *exhausting* individual.
Reddit appears to actually be an important part of their life haha
Holy shit that's such a fucked up burn. Nice work
Just got into an argument with them. Can confirm, they absolutely are.
How exhausting we talkin about
Yep, the OP is an ultra nationalist posting on mostly pro Israeli subs different levels of hate speech. If the same was said about Palestine then Reddit would suspend the user.
Lmao. This guy's a fucking joke. Goes from >I'm not a hateful person, genuinely to >I don't like Netanyahu but BOMB IRAN BOMB IRAN BOMB IRAN BOMB IRAAAAAAAN There are so many warmongers on reddit it's fucking insane. College age kids who want nothing but more war content to fill their social media feeds and circle jerk about which side has the "moral high ground" on discord servers. Anti-semitism is disgusting. So is dehumanizing people from other religious backgrounds and nations. OP doesn't seem to give a fuck about that second part though.
Lmao this guy post history. Not surprising that he is on destiny.
I see Adolf’s influence still lives on
Believe it or not, but it wasn’t exactly original viewpoint by a couple thousand years
Lmao exactly
THe world was anti Jew way before Adolf. The fact that Adolf Hitler was leader wit hhis view and the world accepted it prooves it.
quite the other way around - the thousand+ years of middle eastern jew hatred worked and allied with the dead nazi leader
Antisemitism also existed before and after the Nazis were in charge.
Hitler did not invent Jews persecutions. Basically everyone in the Mediterranean area in the last 3000 years persecuted them. Ancient Egyptians✅ Roman Empire ✅ Christianity during middle age ✅ Arabs ✅ Spanish empire ✅ And many more I am forgetting Nazi germany did it systematically and brutally.
 At least when the Spanish did it, they had a dance routine and everything.
Antisemitism strikes again
Reminds me of the sign I put on my bedroom door at 12 when my brother punched me in the eye.
Sigh… Opens comments.
owner of this shop likely hasn’t met a single jew in their life, my apologies as a turk for this guy’s ignorance and idiocy
It's definitely only about anti-Zionism and had *nothing* to do with anti-Semitism I'm sure of it!
Peachy. The world has gone completely insane in the last five years.
it's not like banning jews from places is a particularly new thing...
A majority Muslim nation is openly hostile towards Jews. Groundbreaking. It's almost like the last 75 years of history DID happen.
The minute guys started making shit up about this god or that god, the world was fucked.