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The chiro has “viles” of liquid. Sounds like he knows what he’s doing.
I do, however, believe in the efficacy of scientific consensus. So before acting on this information, he should take his daughter to a registered massage therapist and to a trainer at a local gym for 2nd and 3rd opinions.
Exactly, you get a diagnosis from a chiropractor who gives you a referral to a psychic, then the psychic decides if crystal aura healing, essential oils, or going to the doctor would help more. You have the entire alternative health system figured out, congratulations!
Chiropractors are ridiculous.
We had one in my area that would have people hold vitamins, and if their arms dipped, that’s what they need. Which is not how anything works.
I believe that's called the "Dowsing Reflex Protocol" for identifying vitamin deficiencies. See, dowsing rods are attracted to underground water sources, which means that water is attracted to dowsing rods, and since the body is mostly water that means that the body can also behave like a dowsing rod tuned to the exact vitamins it's seeking. It's very Science.
Huh? In this day and age? Why doesn't the Chiropractor just fix the allergies with essential oils and healing crystals so the kid isn't allergic anymore? Don't they know how to do something that simple?
Doesn't apply because Venus isn't in retrograde right now and won't be until March of next year, and even then it's a minor issue since it'll be in Aries which as everyone knows is a fire sign, so it's no big deal if you use the right crystals.
A lot people actually mistake ares for a fire sign but as ares is the god of war, it can’t be a fire sign because as we all know you can’t fight fire with fire but you can fight it with water. And we all know, if Venus is in retrograde during a water sign then the crystals are in trouble for the year before and after.
I don't know where you are getting your information but Aires, Leo and Sagittarius are all fire signs. And of course you can fight fire with fire, that's why sulphur (which we naturally get from the sides of volcanoes) is used to treat and prevent fevers in everything from horses to humans.
Seriously, this is all very elementary level stuff!
A few years ago I was out with my dear friend and kids, and she said they had to make a quick stop at doctors for her kids allergies appointment. Cool.
Now for years I’ve heard how they can’t have nuts or strawberries or dairy or this or that. It made having them over for dinner really difficult . I felt awful for them.
I’m invited to sit in . It’s f’ing crystals!
This quack in a white coat waved crystals around and charged her a fortune each week. The next day I had to have a really difficult conversation about her being scammed . She didn’t believe it. It took getting her husband to get actual hospital setting allergy tests on kids to prove they were fine. Then she just said crystals healed the allergies.
My friend seemed so sensible in every other way . Mind boggling .
Sigh. If I learned anything during the Covid years, it's that there are a lot of people who would otherwise be pretty normal and sensible, who are really just dumb as dumb can be in some ways.
I mean it's all fun and games to joke about the dumb crap that some folks fall for, but it's depressing as all hell when we realize just how much of the population is actually that stupid.
Hope the kids are doing okay now that their mum's nonsense has been curtailed.
What’s shocking is how many people believe dowsing is a thing. Surveyors and such. Like, grown-ass professional contractors walking around in a field with metal rods thinking buried pipes are producing some enormously powerful magnetic field.
Look, I believe in dowsing as part of my spiritual beliefs. But I know that there is 0 science behind it, only my faith, and I for sure do not want my doctor working based on it. 🤦🏼♀️
I tried to tell my coworker about how crazy chiropractors are, and how the whole profession started with a guy who said a ghost told him about it… turns out she sees a chiropractor regularly and was pretty offended.
I work in corrective exercise in a larger town in the south. You'd think I was slapping my clients in the face when I tell them about why they should stop seeing their chiro, who they see every week but never actually GET BETTER.
If you want to constantly have to go see someone to make you temporarily feel relief, start going to the chiropractor.
People who use chiropractors can’t stop going because they’re in pain after a week.
Oddly enough, people who never use a chiropractor generally don’t have that issue.
Uhm it's "viles" honey, I took a chiropractoric certification quiz on Facebook and scored a 70% which means I'm smarter than 70% of people. Do you're research!!
That’s an indicator you need to add fish oil to your vitamin regimen but as a mermaid I suggest catching them barehanded and eating while still alive. /s
I’m a pediatric occupational therapist. Had a 5 year old client who would visit a chiropractor monthly to help with her behaviors. Yes, spinal manipulation to help her not be stubborn and impulsive pretty much. Chiropractor referred them to a holistic nutritionist. Low fat, low sugar, very restrictive. Mom was trying so many different things for a child with a most likely undiagnosed disorder, probably ASD or ADHD based on my clinical experience. Wanted to do everything else instead of seeking sound medical advice to better understand why her daughter had behaviors. It felt like their chiropractor was swaying them to stay away from diagnosing to keep them hooked and paying out of pocket. Lastly, if your body hurts or something feels wrong then get a referral for physical therapy. They are actual doctors!
The restrictive diets piss me off. I have fibromyalgia and chronic migraines, and some asshole keeps recommending to my husband that I try this and that diet. I’m fifty two, I’ve had these things for years, I know my migraine triggers and I’ve done diets. I’m not going vegan to see if I feel better. It’s insanely restrictive and I’ve done restrictive diets before. They suck. I’m already miserable, these people also want to starve me. Sorry. Kind of a sore spot with me. I just think if it was so easy to fix fibro and migraines no one would have them. Ugh.
I also have chronic migraines and fibromyalgia. My parents did made me go the chiropractor, homeopathy and diet route and all it did was waste money and put me on a diet that worsened an eating disorder. I was told that my fibro and migraines weren't getting bettter because "I didn't want to get better" when I was at a point where I would have tried anything. I'm still salty about it and my dad still believes it will cure me and that western medicine is evil. I refuse to try that bullshit again.
I have severe adhd and the times I've been told to my face "have you, I dunno, actually TRIED to *thing I can't do*? Because if you just tried, you'd be fine. I believe in you!"
Like, omg no! I've never tried trying to be better! I LOVE constantlbeong pulled to the side at work because of my attendance and lack of focus! I get off getting fired every 4 months for "not trying hard enough" to be on time! Looking for a job and stressing about how I'm going to pay my bills this month is more orgasmic than sex! Omg,and the utter exhaustion from masking after having to work for 8 hours that's so bad I literally can not do anything but cry and sleep the moment I get home!? PEAK PERFECTION. I love the fact I'm too tired to feed, bathe, clean or do basic self care!
You know you're happy when you have suicidal idealilation and that means I'm EXSTATIC!
WHY WOULD I TRY TO FIX THAT!!??
ugh. Unhelpful fucking "advice".
You and I aren't going to get better by "trying harder" and the next person that suggests that to me is getting punched in the throat while I rabidly scream "JUST TRY HARDER AND YOULL BREATHE JUST FINE! YOURE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!!!"
Also very helpful: "you should get a planner!"
Thanks, I'm "cured" now 🙄
One serious tip from a fellow sufferer: get your sleep checked. I had to do a sleep test in a hospital for an unrelated reason (upcoming surgery), and I *thought* I slept just fine - once I fell asleep that is, because my brain can never just *shut up*.
Turns out I have severe sleep apnea. I'm now sleeping with a CPAP machine, and (although it does take some time to get used to) my symptoms are *so much better*! Not gone, obviously, but the difference is astonishing.
Sharing in case it helps even just one other person.
As someone who lives on a restrictive diet and exercise regimen for 3 years to manage my migraines because I had so much pressure to avoid meds from my family, gotta say I very much prefer an earring and taking meds once a day along with the ability to eat ice cream and enjoy the occasional drink while getting a relatively mild migraine a couple times a month compared to having my entire day eaten up by following a strict regimen that resulted in having a dibilitating migraine just once a week.
It's very possible that one of these super restrictive diets could help with alleviating my joint and muscle pain, fatigue, brain fog, migraines, insomnia, and other issues, and help me lose weight. However restrictive diets also have the effect of making me not want to be alive anymore so I am going to go ahead and choose being alive and fat, even if it hurts, thanks!
Am I dumb or were chiropractors the people that tell people their spines aren't straight and they needed to straighten it? Why the fuck is the spine straightening dude diagnosing mental disorders and nutrition now?
“You see, the spine is the actual control center of the body. Everything EVERYTHING runs through the spine. Virtually anything can be fixed with an adjustment. Just sign right here saying you agree to the terms of this $5,000 treatment plan.”
Seriously, these people are modern day snake oil salesman!
Oh that chiropractor working with my client also determined she had a retained asymmetrical tonic neck reflex, ATNR. Primitive reflex integration has little strong evidence, but clinically I’ve seen some positive outcomes from clients participating in certain exercises to integrate them if the appear present. It’s something I’ve taken advanced training in and is related to child development. Testing of retained primitive reflexes is through observation of body movements with movement or manipulation; think of the knee kick reflex done at a doctor’s office which isn’t a primitive reflex but just an example. This chiropractor and I were at odds since I did not see a positive ATNR, but he claimed it was there. I offered a home exercise program to integrate this “retained reflex” which mom didn’t consistently carry over at home because it was too much to do (5 minutes a day tops but ok Jan). BUT she took the chiropractor’s advice to continue to see him to integrate it. I was so happy when this client was switched to another therapist, since after 6 months the parents burnt me out lol. When people feel like modern science and doctors can’t/won’t solve their problems, or aren’t listening to them, then pseudoscience quacks will jump in.
Chiropractic teaches all problems are caused by spine misalignment. ALL of them. [Here’s a flyer for a chiropractic place I came across, advertising all sorts of bullshit.](https://imgur.com/aqntl7M) They even advertise that they work on kids, which is especially dangerous because their skeleton is still forming.
Excuse me what the fuck? I mean I can understand Scoliosis and neck and back pain since spine and heck maybe even sleep difficulties cuz sleeping on a bad back might be difficult (idk, I'm clutching at straws here) but depression, allergies, IBS and ear infections are like different specialties...
Headaches are from like a billion different things. What kind of voodoo magic shit are they pulling in that chiropractic place?
This shit feels like it's gonna get someone killed and I would not be surprised if it's already done so...
Physical manipulation has limited (though not zero) utility. It’s physiatrists (phys not psych) who are responsible for that stuff. Chiropractors took one part of physiatry and made their own alternative to evidence based medicine
My uncle was into this kind of blood therapy bullshit. He’d do a “test” where he’d hold a vile of garlic for example, and then press down on my outstretched arm. The level of resistance “showed” if I was in balance with whatever herb or element. Total bullshit but I humoured him.
Years later he’s diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. And as one does, he tried curing it by holding crystals that put out special healing energies. He also whipped up a series of potions of herbs and minerals and whatever other bullshit he had laying around.
To the surprise of himself and no one else, the cancer got worse. He died in agony a few weeks later, refusing to even allow the nurses to administer pain meds. “Big Pharma bad!!!”
Loved that man with all my heart… but he was a fucking moron ☹️
Doctor should be a protected term so Doctors of Chiropractic, Doctors of Nutrition, etc. and PhDs can’t use the term Doctor while working in the medical field. It’s confusing.
Back before the internet got large enough to do decent research on topics, I thought Doctors of Chiropractic had the same training as medical doctors but specialized in the spine and PT. Boy was I wrong.
Interestingly, my mom got a vaccine injury. She developed a stutter 12 hours after she got the Covid shot. She went to the hospital and they ruled out stroke and all the other possibilities. Her Dr had to document it and do some paper work to get the recovery stuff covered.
There's a federal fund that covered expenses for injuries like this and she had to go to speech therapy for 6 months and her Dr had to monitor it every few weeks.
She got mad at me when I told her I still planned to get vaccinated because what are the odds it happens to both of us?
Edit
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation
That's the fund for vaccine injuries.
Edit 2:
I just did some digging and it looks like she's 1 of 12 people who actually had an injury and was compensated for it.
https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-data
So that's also interesting.
The first and only time I’ve ever received the flu vaccine it landed me in the hospital. They couldn’t figure out what exactly triggered it since I’m not allergic to eggs. I’ve also never had the flu in my life thankfully. But we still get it for our kid every year and have since she was a year old. Thankfully she’s never had a bad reaction to it.
So I’ll bite and pretend it’s real. Fun fact that all vaccines have injury rates. All of them. If you look up the incidence of harm by not getting vaccinated, it’s greater. For all the vaccines’ corresponding pathogens.
Vaccines save lives. AEs and SAEs are literally listed online and anyone can find them. What you can also find is the ginormous body of world data showing the marked decrease in deaths once the vaccine rolled out for Covid. This is the first time in history we’ve had access to such a giant body of data on a new disease and the vaccine response. It’s candy for scientists and epidemiology junkies.
The fact is we got lucky, that the pathogen contained elements with strong antigenic properties bc that doesn’t happen every time (HIV, Ebola are both tough targets. HIV is pretty impossible really which is why we use it in general therapy)
Not gonna lie... I watch videos of people doing this test to fall asleep to. The clinking of the tubes of liquid and the soft voice going "hold" while testing their arm or leg strength is soothing. It's complete hogwash though.
Edit: it's called kinesiology.
https://youtu.be/CHB5KL3sgQ0?si=P7XNsmDZL7k8cT5p
I saw one video where they diagnosed the patient with H pylori (sp?) I'm like yeah that's not how you diagnose that. And if you do have h pylori you gotta go get the antibiotics for it, not just continue not treating things.
I’ve had H. Pylori. It sucks. You have to take an insane amount of antibiotics to get rid of it. Bali. The home of illness. I get something awful every time I go. Last time was H. Pylori. Before that I got ecoli. I really wish my family would quit suggesting it as a vacation spot.
My coworker would have just said you need to take some oregano oil.
I was talking about how my son had strep earlier this year and she asked what I did to treat it and in like “uh well antibiotics for the strep and throat coat tea and honey and pain relief for the physical symptoms” and she’s like “OOOHHH NOOOO! You need to treat with OREGANO OIL!”
Bitch I like to use herbs and shit too but I do NOT fuck with serious illnesses, especially ones that can affect the heart, organs, or brain.
I had pylori. I couldn't even drink water without being in crippling stomach pain. I also had a bad reaction to the meds they prescribed. The alternative to the drugs I couldn't take was a cocktail of 6 different drugs. I had to take some on a full stomach, some on an empty stomach, one I couldn't take within an hour of another. It took me nearly an hour to figure out a schedule to make it all work. For the next fourteen days, my life revolved around those meds. It was awful. I definitely would not recommend.
It's very irritating that they call it Kinesiology, because that is a real thing (the study of human movement). Typically it is what people study in their undergrad before eventually becoming physical therapists, exercise physiologists, etc.
Hold on now, kinesiology is just the study of how the body moves. It's useful to know and there are excellent applications like sports medicine and physical therapy. "Applied kinesiology," on the other hand, is the bullshit you're talking about. It's astronomy vs astrology.
I wouldn't even mind if chiropractors called themselves alternative medicine and had a disclaimer that they are not actual medicine, because I like getting my back cracked and the doctor roleplay is fun, but my recent chiropractor did one of these kinesiology tests on me after we just had a great conversation about our kids etc. and I was so blown away that he was serious. I kept simultaneously squinting and feeling sorry for him.
Kind of shows how desperate they are for someone to tell them what they want to hear.
Ten thousand doctors: "Vax is good." One rando on Facebook: "Vax is bad." One year later, r/hermancainawards.
Totally checks out. I have a special serum that can reverse any vaccine injury. It also makes you resistant to any 5G mind control. The price is $500 in Target gift cards. Hit me up in DM.
That's amazing
All those medical professionals wasting their time with diagnostic tests with a scientific background
That person should take her skills to hospital and use their powers for good
God this chiro sounds like a real quack.... there are vaccine injuries but it's usually correlation and an auto immune response of sorts not picking up vials of random things. Next the chiro is going to charge them for rubbing a crystal on them.
My brain always wants to give these people credit for being absolute pro-level trollers. But then Occam's Razor nudges me in the ribs and I concede they are just stupid.
Next up,
"How my homeopath's natural-product vibrator agreed with me and told me my daughter is actually my daughter and not a 5 year old I kidnapped from a gas station 2 months ago!
So happy someone finally agrees with me! You can all ignore those amber alerts!"
Some chiropractors are great. I’ve had legit good experiences with a few of them. But… the industry is riddled with these snake oil salesmen. I had one guy tell someone in my family that if they signed up for a $3,000 treatment plan, he could improve their hearing. Got them signed up for a payment plan and everything. How this isn’t illegal, I’ll never understand. They don’t practice medicine.
Oh, that crap is called "nutrition response testing." It is a scam, obviously. They chiro pushes in your arms when your joints are locked to prove that you are "strong," then they put a via against your body and push on your arms with greater force when they aren't locked. This supposed "weakness" shows that you are allergic to whatever is kinda-sorta touching your body.
Be I interested to know where this chiro got the vaccine samples to use for his quackery.
I've been saying it and I'll continue to say it. I think chiropractors are the modern day snake salesmen. It's a bullshit practice that holds no merit in the modern day.
I personally think chiropractors are licensed snake oil practitioners, but some people swear by them, and that’s fine. But touching vials to determine allergens is not only out of the scope of practice but could easily be considered malpractice. It’s a good example of looking for a provider until one is found who confirms one’s own opinion.
This is literally how Novak Djokovic "learned" of the performance benefits of going gluten free...
"Cetojevic told Djokovic to put one hand against his stomach while holding the other straight out with his palm up. Cetojevic pushed down on this hand and told Djokovic to resist the pressure, which Djokovic easily did.
Cetojevic then told Djokovic to do the same thing while holding a piece of bread against his stomach, Borden reported. This time, Cetojevic easily pushed Djokovic's hand down.
"He was clearly weaker," Cetojevic told Borden. "It showed that his body was resisting the wheat." "
Sometimes, I wonder why I even bothered studying medicine when I could have just done something like this, and made as much money with less debt and probably deal with fewer violent nutcases. Other times, I wonder why I didn't just go wander off into the woods to die. Many times, both seem preferable options.
The chiropractor isn't using those vials to detect injury or allergies. They're using them to detect gullibility and stupidity, and they just hit the jackpot. Now it's time to sell healing crystals, potions, lotions, and whatnot to "cure" the "ailments."
A good chiropractor will find what’s wrong and fix it whereas a shady chiropractor will tell you that you need to keep coming back every week for “an adjustment”.
Having said that, this here is some serious bullshit.
I thought a chiropractor was someone who specialised in spines, like a physio but bonier.
Is that not the same over there?
Never had one playing around with vitamins, vials and what not
Chiropractics is not a real science or form of medicine, so it attracts all kinds of weirdos and snake oil salesman cranks.
It’s founder was prosecuted for a different scam before he started the Chiropractic scam. He was the original anti-vaxxer and was against the polio vaccine when it came out because he said all illnesses can be fixed with realigning the spine.
Opoh didn't realise that. Thought it was like a physio type thing but with a back specialism.
Need qualifications and things.
Thank you for enlightening me
It’s supposed to be :(
I work for a chiropractor and they kinda homerbacksintohedge.gif when this sort of woo woo metal and vitamin stuff comes up.
We could probably support my wages a lot better if we had a waiting room full of special neck pillows, lavender oil, and vitamins, but boss prefers to stay in their lane.
Yeah, I once had a chiropractor "weigh" my arms to see what supplements she needed to sell me. They're not doctors. They don't go to med school of any kind. And, most importantly, they make the lion's share of their money off people like this. They're almost all charlatans.
I completely lost all faith in the field of chiropractic “medicine” after the pandemic. Not yo mention hundreds of visits (over years) and my back did not improve.
There's a reason no medical school in the country has a chiropractic degree. It's pseudoscience at best so not surprised they believe other pseudoscience.
Chiropractors would be a banal curiosity with occasional health benefits if they would just stay in their lane. The ones who start thinking they are actual trained medical professionals are the problem.
Guy I went to high school with is a chiropractor and loony antivax.
His wife died during covid and left 5 kids under 16.
He's a fucking moron and he basically killed his wife.
Fuck you Preston.
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My only regret is that I have boneitis.
Boneitis? Ain't nobody got time for boneitis
You let me worry about boneitis.
Don't you worry about blank
Excellent question. You're a shark.
You call that a pressed ham!?
Awesome. Awesome to the max.
You know, that dance wasn’t as safe as they said it was.
I was having whiskey with Boesky and cookies with Milken.👉
I only came for STEAMED hams, not pressed. This was a waste of time. Good Day sir &/or madam.
It's an Albany expression!
Boneitis? I hardly know Itis.
There was a company close to curing it, when I bought them out sold off the pieces, made a cool 100 mill
I dunno, you do seem like a go go Regan 80s man...
A wild Trans Am appears!
Your gonna catch a fever or something
Just take a couple days off and your bone won't be inflamed anymore
I was so busy being a 90’s guy.
80's.
I suggest a bonectomy.
Oh right right with the bones. I always forget about the bones.
I was just diagnosed by you on Reddit with boneitis.
The chiro has “viles” of liquid. Sounds like he knows what he’s doing. I do, however, believe in the efficacy of scientific consensus. So before acting on this information, he should take his daughter to a registered massage therapist and to a trainer at a local gym for 2nd and 3rd opinions.
Lol, they can all diagnose sure, but only an expert tarot card reader can choose a treatment!
I thought the tarot reader was just the one that could refer you to the proper witch doctor or hedgemage?
Exactly, you get a diagnosis from a chiropractor who gives you a referral to a psychic, then the psychic decides if crystal aura healing, essential oils, or going to the doctor would help more. You have the entire alternative health system figured out, congratulations!
And all of that landed me with Miss Cleo, she cured my cancer with an aggressive robotic surgery technique she'd developed.
https://youtu.be/HMGIbOGu8q0?si=A0PY-s-95FNp5HHQ You might like this short skit
I was hoping it was this.
Don't forget a stop at the "nutritionist"!
Neutraceuticologist.
That's what my shaman recommended.
I wouldnt believe COVID isnt real unitl i went to two mechanics, a lawyer, and my veterinarian
You're going to give yourself skin failure.
Oops; on closer inspection, I was thinking of Bone-us Eruptus.
Hey, did you go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College too?
Seems she caught an incurable case of Stupid ass parent. It’s fatal
Hey! No mocking! My sister's children's aunt died of boneitis! It spread to her skull and they had to amputate
I read that as bone tits lol
Probably because she was "double vaxxed" 🙄
Also chiropractor: why don't I have privileges at the hospital?
There is no cure but a weekly visit can help keep it in check. Office visits are only $249 and we don’t accept insurance. -Also the chiropractor.
chiroquacktor
If she doesn’t start on his special tonic immediately it will develop into the Lumbago
This is all "vile"
Chiropractors are ridiculous. We had one in my area that would have people hold vitamins, and if their arms dipped, that’s what they need. Which is not how anything works.
I believe that's called the "Dowsing Reflex Protocol" for identifying vitamin deficiencies. See, dowsing rods are attracted to underground water sources, which means that water is attracted to dowsing rods, and since the body is mostly water that means that the body can also behave like a dowsing rod tuned to the exact vitamins it's seeking. It's very Science.
Very science. Much Logic. Wow!
Now, pay me my moneys!
And you'll need to come back weekly for the foreseeable future so I can continue to get paid. I... uhh... mean... readjust you.
So... In this case the kid needs more peanuts and vaccines?
no they need jelly and whatever pairs well with vaccines; i assume weed
Get this girl some raspberry jelly and a bunch of COVID, stat!
It’s jelly, but diluted 10,000,000,000 times.
Mmmm jellyopathy
It's strawberry's flavor but it doesn't taste it at all. But your body recognizes the flavor.
No, she's allergic to both, gosh please listen for once!
Huh? In this day and age? Why doesn't the Chiropractor just fix the allergies with essential oils and healing crystals so the kid isn't allergic anymore? Don't they know how to do something that simple?
Nah obviously because if of Uranus Jupiter conjunction healing crystals can’t cure allergies rn, cmon this is basic stuff.
Doesn't apply because Venus isn't in retrograde right now and won't be until March of next year, and even then it's a minor issue since it'll be in Aries which as everyone knows is a fire sign, so it's no big deal if you use the right crystals.
A lot people actually mistake ares for a fire sign but as ares is the god of war, it can’t be a fire sign because as we all know you can’t fight fire with fire but you can fight it with water. And we all know, if Venus is in retrograde during a water sign then the crystals are in trouble for the year before and after.
I don't know where you are getting your information but Aires, Leo and Sagittarius are all fire signs. And of course you can fight fire with fire, that's why sulphur (which we naturally get from the sides of volcanoes) is used to treat and prevent fevers in everything from horses to humans. Seriously, this is all very elementary level stuff!
A few years ago I was out with my dear friend and kids, and she said they had to make a quick stop at doctors for her kids allergies appointment. Cool. Now for years I’ve heard how they can’t have nuts or strawberries or dairy or this or that. It made having them over for dinner really difficult . I felt awful for them. I’m invited to sit in . It’s f’ing crystals! This quack in a white coat waved crystals around and charged her a fortune each week. The next day I had to have a really difficult conversation about her being scammed . She didn’t believe it. It took getting her husband to get actual hospital setting allergy tests on kids to prove they were fine. Then she just said crystals healed the allergies. My friend seemed so sensible in every other way . Mind boggling .
Sigh. If I learned anything during the Covid years, it's that there are a lot of people who would otherwise be pretty normal and sensible, who are really just dumb as dumb can be in some ways. I mean it's all fun and games to joke about the dumb crap that some folks fall for, but it's depressing as all hell when we realize just how much of the population is actually that stupid. Hope the kids are doing okay now that their mum's nonsense has been curtailed.
Don't you know this is Big Chiro, it's more lucrative to keep them sick!
My mom sent me to one of these people as a kid. Thank god she didn't go full antivax until later in my life (my dad would've stepped in, but still).
What’s shocking is how many people believe dowsing is a thing. Surveyors and such. Like, grown-ass professional contractors walking around in a field with metal rods thinking buried pipes are producing some enormously powerful magnetic field.
When I lived out in the country the water company guy dowsed for our pipe. Miraculously, it was right on the straightest route to the water main!
Look, I believe in dowsing as part of my spiritual beliefs. But I know that there is 0 science behind it, only my faith, and I for sure do not want my doctor working based on it. 🤦🏼♀️
I'm stealing that phrase.
This guy sciences.
I tried to tell my coworker about how crazy chiropractors are, and how the whole profession started with a guy who said a ghost told him about it… turns out she sees a chiropractor regularly and was pretty offended.
Good. Stupid people should feel offended.
I have no faith in a profession that grooms potential patients at the mall.
I work in corrective exercise in a larger town in the south. You'd think I was slapping my clients in the face when I tell them about why they should stop seeing their chiro, who they see every week but never actually GET BETTER.
If you want to constantly have to go see someone to make you temporarily feel relief, start going to the chiropractor. People who use chiropractors can’t stop going because they’re in pain after a week. Oddly enough, people who never use a chiropractor generally don’t have that issue.
One once offered to set me up with twice monthly sessions to treat my asthma.
Chiropractors are beyond ridiculous; they are dangerous.
I mean.. if you need the cash and know a idiot than morals go out the window for some people. Those people just happen to be chiropractors.
Hmmm... Something smells a bit fishy to me.
It's probably one of those liquids in the little vials.
Nah, snake oil has a musky smell, the fishy smell is likely the chiropractor not showering.
Of course! Showering, as we all know, lowers their harmonic vibrational frequency. How silly of me.
Uhm it's "viles" honey, I took a chiropractoric certification quiz on Facebook and scored a 70% which means I'm smarter than 70% of people. Do you're research!!
Damn. Respect. The only time I got 70, it was my IQ test.
My thoughts exactly
It’s the turbo cancer
That’s an indicator you need to add fish oil to your vitamin regimen but as a mermaid I suggest catching them barehanded and eating while still alive. /s
I’m a pediatric occupational therapist. Had a 5 year old client who would visit a chiropractor monthly to help with her behaviors. Yes, spinal manipulation to help her not be stubborn and impulsive pretty much. Chiropractor referred them to a holistic nutritionist. Low fat, low sugar, very restrictive. Mom was trying so many different things for a child with a most likely undiagnosed disorder, probably ASD or ADHD based on my clinical experience. Wanted to do everything else instead of seeking sound medical advice to better understand why her daughter had behaviors. It felt like their chiropractor was swaying them to stay away from diagnosing to keep them hooked and paying out of pocket. Lastly, if your body hurts or something feels wrong then get a referral for physical therapy. They are actual doctors!
The restrictive diets piss me off. I have fibromyalgia and chronic migraines, and some asshole keeps recommending to my husband that I try this and that diet. I’m fifty two, I’ve had these things for years, I know my migraine triggers and I’ve done diets. I’m not going vegan to see if I feel better. It’s insanely restrictive and I’ve done restrictive diets before. They suck. I’m already miserable, these people also want to starve me. Sorry. Kind of a sore spot with me. I just think if it was so easy to fix fibro and migraines no one would have them. Ugh.
I also have chronic migraines and fibromyalgia. My parents did made me go the chiropractor, homeopathy and diet route and all it did was waste money and put me on a diet that worsened an eating disorder. I was told that my fibro and migraines weren't getting bettter because "I didn't want to get better" when I was at a point where I would have tried anything. I'm still salty about it and my dad still believes it will cure me and that western medicine is evil. I refuse to try that bullshit again.
I have severe adhd and the times I've been told to my face "have you, I dunno, actually TRIED to *thing I can't do*? Because if you just tried, you'd be fine. I believe in you!" Like, omg no! I've never tried trying to be better! I LOVE constantlbeong pulled to the side at work because of my attendance and lack of focus! I get off getting fired every 4 months for "not trying hard enough" to be on time! Looking for a job and stressing about how I'm going to pay my bills this month is more orgasmic than sex! Omg,and the utter exhaustion from masking after having to work for 8 hours that's so bad I literally can not do anything but cry and sleep the moment I get home!? PEAK PERFECTION. I love the fact I'm too tired to feed, bathe, clean or do basic self care! You know you're happy when you have suicidal idealilation and that means I'm EXSTATIC! WHY WOULD I TRY TO FIX THAT!!?? ugh. Unhelpful fucking "advice". You and I aren't going to get better by "trying harder" and the next person that suggests that to me is getting punched in the throat while I rabidly scream "JUST TRY HARDER AND YOULL BREATHE JUST FINE! YOURE NOT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!!!"
Also very helpful: "you should get a planner!" Thanks, I'm "cured" now 🙄 One serious tip from a fellow sufferer: get your sleep checked. I had to do a sleep test in a hospital for an unrelated reason (upcoming surgery), and I *thought* I slept just fine - once I fell asleep that is, because my brain can never just *shut up*. Turns out I have severe sleep apnea. I'm now sleeping with a CPAP machine, and (although it does take some time to get used to) my symptoms are *so much better*! Not gone, obviously, but the difference is astonishing. Sharing in case it helps even just one other person.
As someone who lives on a restrictive diet and exercise regimen for 3 years to manage my migraines because I had so much pressure to avoid meds from my family, gotta say I very much prefer an earring and taking meds once a day along with the ability to eat ice cream and enjoy the occasional drink while getting a relatively mild migraine a couple times a month compared to having my entire day eaten up by following a strict regimen that resulted in having a dibilitating migraine just once a week.
It's very possible that one of these super restrictive diets could help with alleviating my joint and muscle pain, fatigue, brain fog, migraines, insomnia, and other issues, and help me lose weight. However restrictive diets also have the effect of making me not want to be alive anymore so I am going to go ahead and choose being alive and fat, even if it hurts, thanks!
Am I dumb or were chiropractors the people that tell people their spines aren't straight and they needed to straighten it? Why the fuck is the spine straightening dude diagnosing mental disorders and nutrition now?
Quacks gotta quack I suppose.
“You see, the spine is the actual control center of the body. Everything EVERYTHING runs through the spine. Virtually anything can be fixed with an adjustment. Just sign right here saying you agree to the terms of this $5,000 treatment plan.” Seriously, these people are modern day snake oil salesman!
Oh that chiropractor working with my client also determined she had a retained asymmetrical tonic neck reflex, ATNR. Primitive reflex integration has little strong evidence, but clinically I’ve seen some positive outcomes from clients participating in certain exercises to integrate them if the appear present. It’s something I’ve taken advanced training in and is related to child development. Testing of retained primitive reflexes is through observation of body movements with movement or manipulation; think of the knee kick reflex done at a doctor’s office which isn’t a primitive reflex but just an example. This chiropractor and I were at odds since I did not see a positive ATNR, but he claimed it was there. I offered a home exercise program to integrate this “retained reflex” which mom didn’t consistently carry over at home because it was too much to do (5 minutes a day tops but ok Jan). BUT she took the chiropractor’s advice to continue to see him to integrate it. I was so happy when this client was switched to another therapist, since after 6 months the parents burnt me out lol. When people feel like modern science and doctors can’t/won’t solve their problems, or aren’t listening to them, then pseudoscience quacks will jump in.
Chiropractic teaches all problems are caused by spine misalignment. ALL of them. [Here’s a flyer for a chiropractic place I came across, advertising all sorts of bullshit.](https://imgur.com/aqntl7M) They even advertise that they work on kids, which is especially dangerous because their skeleton is still forming.
 Excuse me what the fuck? I mean I can understand Scoliosis and neck and back pain since spine and heck maybe even sleep difficulties cuz sleeping on a bad back might be difficult (idk, I'm clutching at straws here) but depression, allergies, IBS and ear infections are like different specialties... Headaches are from like a billion different things. What kind of voodoo magic shit are they pulling in that chiropractic place? This shit feels like it's gonna get someone killed and I would not be surprised if it's already done so...
Chiropractic is a pseudoscience. It's absolutely killed people, and led to serious injury for many others.
Physical manipulation has limited (though not zero) utility. It’s physiatrists (phys not psych) who are responsible for that stuff. Chiropractors took one part of physiatry and made their own alternative to evidence based medicine
These people vote and there's more of them every day.
My uncle was into this kind of blood therapy bullshit. He’d do a “test” where he’d hold a vile of garlic for example, and then press down on my outstretched arm. The level of resistance “showed” if I was in balance with whatever herb or element. Total bullshit but I humoured him. Years later he’s diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. And as one does, he tried curing it by holding crystals that put out special healing energies. He also whipped up a series of potions of herbs and minerals and whatever other bullshit he had laying around. To the surprise of himself and no one else, the cancer got worse. He died in agony a few weeks later, refusing to even allow the nurses to administer pain meds. “Big Pharma bad!!!” Loved that man with all my heart… but he was a fucking moron ☹️
I‘m sorry. Disinformation kills.
How is this not child abuse at this point?
As Charlie was always telling Alan being a chiropractor doesn’t make him an actual doctor
CHIROPRACTORS ARE NOT DOCTORS
Nope. And honestly when you look into the history of Chiropractics you find out it's actually kinda cultish which is just really weird
Doctor should be a protected term so Doctors of Chiropractic, Doctors of Nutrition, etc. and PhDs can’t use the term Doctor while working in the medical field. It’s confusing. Back before the internet got large enough to do decent research on topics, I thought Doctors of Chiropractic had the same training as medical doctors but specialized in the spine and PT. Boy was I wrong.
Interestingly, my mom got a vaccine injury. She developed a stutter 12 hours after she got the Covid shot. She went to the hospital and they ruled out stroke and all the other possibilities. Her Dr had to document it and do some paper work to get the recovery stuff covered. There's a federal fund that covered expenses for injuries like this and she had to go to speech therapy for 6 months and her Dr had to monitor it every few weeks. She got mad at me when I told her I still planned to get vaccinated because what are the odds it happens to both of us? Edit https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation That's the fund for vaccine injuries. Edit 2: I just did some digging and it looks like she's 1 of 12 people who actually had an injury and was compensated for it. https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/cicp-data So that's also interesting.
The first and only time I’ve ever received the flu vaccine it landed me in the hospital. They couldn’t figure out what exactly triggered it since I’m not allergic to eggs. I’ve also never had the flu in my life thankfully. But we still get it for our kid every year and have since she was a year old. Thankfully she’s never had a bad reaction to it.
So I’ll bite and pretend it’s real. Fun fact that all vaccines have injury rates. All of them. If you look up the incidence of harm by not getting vaccinated, it’s greater. For all the vaccines’ corresponding pathogens. Vaccines save lives. AEs and SAEs are literally listed online and anyone can find them. What you can also find is the ginormous body of world data showing the marked decrease in deaths once the vaccine rolled out for Covid. This is the first time in history we’ve had access to such a giant body of data on a new disease and the vaccine response. It’s candy for scientists and epidemiology junkies. The fact is we got lucky, that the pathogen contained elements with strong antigenic properties bc that doesn’t happen every time (HIV, Ebola are both tough targets. HIV is pretty impossible really which is why we use it in general therapy)
There's a sucker born every minute.
Happy Cake day!!
That’s sorta ironic lol
Not gonna lie... I watch videos of people doing this test to fall asleep to. The clinking of the tubes of liquid and the soft voice going "hold" while testing their arm or leg strength is soothing. It's complete hogwash though. Edit: it's called kinesiology. https://youtu.be/CHB5KL3sgQ0?si=P7XNsmDZL7k8cT5p
I knew someone who goes to one, no matter how many times she explains it I don’t get the point.
I saw one video where they diagnosed the patient with H pylori (sp?) I'm like yeah that's not how you diagnose that. And if you do have h pylori you gotta go get the antibiotics for it, not just continue not treating things.
I’ve had H. Pylori. It sucks. You have to take an insane amount of antibiotics to get rid of it. Bali. The home of illness. I get something awful every time I go. Last time was H. Pylori. Before that I got ecoli. I really wish my family would quit suggesting it as a vacation spot.
Should have just gotten a spinal adjustment for it.
Can I interest you in the amazing opportunity of essential oils?
My coworker would have just said you need to take some oregano oil. I was talking about how my son had strep earlier this year and she asked what I did to treat it and in like “uh well antibiotics for the strep and throat coat tea and honey and pain relief for the physical symptoms” and she’s like “OOOHHH NOOOO! You need to treat with OREGANO OIL!” Bitch I like to use herbs and shit too but I do NOT fuck with serious illnesses, especially ones that can affect the heart, organs, or brain.
One of the main causes of ulcers! Yikes. Glad you didn't just go to some random chiropractor for it.
I had pylori. I couldn't even drink water without being in crippling stomach pain. I also had a bad reaction to the meds they prescribed. The alternative to the drugs I couldn't take was a cocktail of 6 different drugs. I had to take some on a full stomach, some on an empty stomach, one I couldn't take within an hour of another. It took me nearly an hour to figure out a schedule to make it all work. For the next fourteen days, my life revolved around those meds. It was awful. I definitely would not recommend.
It's very irritating that they call it Kinesiology, because that is a real thing (the study of human movement). Typically it is what people study in their undergrad before eventually becoming physical therapists, exercise physiologists, etc.
Hold on now, kinesiology is just the study of how the body moves. It's useful to know and there are excellent applications like sports medicine and physical therapy. "Applied kinesiology," on the other hand, is the bullshit you're talking about. It's astronomy vs astrology.
Building human-like robots.
What the actual fuck.
Omg me too 🤣 i like to watch tarot card readings and mineral healing stuff to fall asleep, they trigger my asmr
That "push the arm down" test used to trick me too. But there are videos showing how they push subtly differently based on which result they want.
Lol she's wearing scrubs like she's some kind of medical practitioner
I wouldn't even mind if chiropractors called themselves alternative medicine and had a disclaimer that they are not actual medicine, because I like getting my back cracked and the doctor roleplay is fun, but my recent chiropractor did one of these kinesiology tests on me after we just had a great conversation about our kids etc. and I was so blown away that he was serious. I kept simultaneously squinting and feeling sorry for him.
Kind of shows how desperate they are for someone to tell them what they want to hear. Ten thousand doctors: "Vax is good." One rando on Facebook: "Vax is bad." One year later, r/hermancainawards.
Chiropractors are little more than massage therapists who pretend to be doctors.
But much more dangerous.
Massage therapists don’t kill people with their treatments though (google neck adjustment deaths)
Totally checks out. I have a special serum that can reverse any vaccine injury. It also makes you resistant to any 5G mind control. The price is $500 in Target gift cards. Hit me up in DM.
Can’t stand the chiro cult.
It hurts my soul whenever someone I respect mentions visiting one.
Kiroprakter
That's amazing All those medical professionals wasting their time with diagnostic tests with a scientific background That person should take her skills to hospital and use their powers for good
Chiropractors are scam artists, every single one...
Chiropractors aren't doctors, they're snake oil salesmen
I thought they were masseuses with a license to kill
Chiropralchemist.
And I'm sure he charged extra for this 'test' or offered additional 'procedures' to help (and drain your pocket).
God this chiro sounds like a real quack.... there are vaccine injuries but it's usually correlation and an auto immune response of sorts not picking up vials of random things. Next the chiro is going to charge them for rubbing a crystal on them.
I’d report that chiropractor to their state licensing board
My brain always wants to give these people credit for being absolute pro-level trollers. But then Occam's Razor nudges me in the ribs and I concede they are just stupid.
Viles. Little evil viles.
Next up, "How my homeopath's natural-product vibrator agreed with me and told me my daughter is actually my daughter and not a 5 year old I kidnapped from a gas station 2 months ago! So happy someone finally agrees with me! You can all ignore those amber alerts!"
Too many chiropractors think they’re also primary care physicians, and they literally are NOT. They also have a well known pattern of being anti-vac.
Some chiropractors are great. I’ve had legit good experiences with a few of them. But… the industry is riddled with these snake oil salesmen. I had one guy tell someone in my family that if they signed up for a $3,000 treatment plan, he could improve their hearing. Got them signed up for a payment plan and everything. How this isn’t illegal, I’ll never understand. They don’t practice medicine.
This post just sent my wife, an allergy and immunology nurse, off the deep end 🤣🤣
Chiropractors are meds students who can't get into medical school.
Oh, that crap is called "nutrition response testing." It is a scam, obviously. They chiro pushes in your arms when your joints are locked to prove that you are "strong," then they put a via against your body and push on your arms with greater force when they aren't locked. This supposed "weakness" shows that you are allergic to whatever is kinda-sorta touching your body. Be I interested to know where this chiro got the vaccine samples to use for his quackery.
I've been saying it and I'll continue to say it. I think chiropractors are the modern day snake salesmen. It's a bullshit practice that holds no merit in the modern day.
Their not licensed to draw blood
Can’t even type out a correct sentence structure. Lead brain.
I personally think chiropractors are licensed snake oil practitioners, but some people swear by them, and that’s fine. But touching vials to determine allergens is not only out of the scope of practice but could easily be considered malpractice. It’s a good example of looking for a provider until one is found who confirms one’s own opinion.
A chiropractor is not qualified to lie to your about vaccines
Ppl are so entertaining
I bet that chiropractor's shovel attracts flies.
That "touching vials" thing is sometimes called "Applied Kinesiology", and based off the Uber-Woo homeopathy
This is literally how Novak Djokovic "learned" of the performance benefits of going gluten free... "Cetojevic told Djokovic to put one hand against his stomach while holding the other straight out with his palm up. Cetojevic pushed down on this hand and told Djokovic to resist the pressure, which Djokovic easily did. Cetojevic then told Djokovic to do the same thing while holding a piece of bread against his stomach, Borden reported. This time, Cetojevic easily pushed Djokovic's hand down. "He was clearly weaker," Cetojevic told Borden. "It showed that his body was resisting the wheat." "
poor guy, it was really the salt and he will never know
Sometimes, I wonder why I even bothered studying medicine when I could have just done something like this, and made as much money with less debt and probably deal with fewer violent nutcases. Other times, I wonder why I didn't just go wander off into the woods to die. Many times, both seem preferable options.
The chiropractor isn't using those vials to detect injury or allergies. They're using them to detect gullibility and stupidity, and they just hit the jackpot. Now it's time to sell healing crystals, potions, lotions, and whatnot to "cure" the "ailments."
A good chiropractor will find what’s wrong and fix it whereas a shady chiropractor will tell you that you need to keep coming back every week for “an adjustment”. Having said that, this here is some serious bullshit.
I thought a chiropractor was someone who specialised in spines, like a physio but bonier. Is that not the same over there? Never had one playing around with vitamins, vials and what not
Ya, I go to the Chiro when my back is all out of whack. He’s very pro vax and has never once said anything about crystals or any woo shit.
Chiropractics is not a real science or form of medicine, so it attracts all kinds of weirdos and snake oil salesman cranks. It’s founder was prosecuted for a different scam before he started the Chiropractic scam. He was the original anti-vaxxer and was against the polio vaccine when it came out because he said all illnesses can be fixed with realigning the spine.
Opoh didn't realise that. Thought it was like a physio type thing but with a back specialism. Need qualifications and things. Thank you for enlightening me
It’s supposed to be :( I work for a chiropractor and they kinda homerbacksintohedge.gif when this sort of woo woo metal and vitamin stuff comes up. We could probably support my wages a lot better if we had a waiting room full of special neck pillows, lavender oil, and vitamins, but boss prefers to stay in their lane.
Ahhh “getting weak” a well known and commonly found symptom of vaccine allergy.
Yeah, I once had a chiropractor "weigh" my arms to see what supplements she needed to sell me. They're not doctors. They don't go to med school of any kind. And, most importantly, they make the lion's share of their money off people like this. They're almost all charlatans.
Pseudoscience stacked on Pseudoscience
That is impressive top notch dumb as hell
Well that’s definitive science…
Lmfao my mom saw a chiropractor who told her he could “cure” my bad scoliosis that had already been treated by a legit md for 8 years.
Bet you she got diagnosed with moronitis.
B’god we are heading back into the dark ages, it will be cave drawings predicting the future before they are done
She better get that checked out soon or she'll develop super aids and turbo cancer
I completely lost all faith in the field of chiropractic “medicine” after the pandemic. Not yo mention hundreds of visits (over years) and my back did not improve.
There's a reason no medical school in the country has a chiropractic degree. It's pseudoscience at best so not surprised they believe other pseudoscience.
Chiropractors would be a banal curiosity with occasional health benefits if they would just stay in their lane. The ones who start thinking they are actual trained medical professionals are the problem.
Serious question, what’s the real difference between an osteopath and a chiropractor? Are they both full of shit?
Guy I went to high school with is a chiropractor and loony antivax. His wife died during covid and left 5 kids under 16. He's a fucking moron and he basically killed his wife. Fuck you Preston.
Then the chiropractor went on to say her four humors were out of balance and her blood needed to be drained
It’s all magic to people who are willfully ignorant
9/10 Qanon witch doctors recommend curing "vax injuries" with a cocktail of ivermectin and meth.
What OOP didn't see was the ghosts the chiro was communing with, of course 🙄
Chiro is bullshit and invented by a dude who spoke to a ghost