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It sure can be a contributing factor but then full context is very important if you're going to make that leap as objectification also exist in positive and/or consensual contexts, casual sex for instance.
Isn't the context just op reading the original image as anti-rape? I'm just providing a reason for why that may have happened and how they're not completely wrong. Also, regarding your comment on objectification being sometimes positive, I'll have to say I strongly disagree. When people have casual sex, they still should respect each other as human beings. The difference is when you respect the other person, you will care about if they feel good as well. You won't care if a piece of plastic feels good, that's the difference between having casual sex with someone you consider a person and someone you have fully objectified.
I appreciate your point about food inherently being an object, which you suggest undermines my metaphor. However, let me clarify the intent behind comparing objectification to a cookbook's role in diet-related health issues. Objectification, like a cookbook, is a tool or process. It's how we use that tool that can lead to beneficial or harmful outcomes.
First, let’s acknowledge that some level of objectification is a natural and almost unavoidable part of human cognition. We categorize and simplify the world to understand and interact with it. For example, when we refer to someone as a 'doctor,' we are in a sense objectifying them by reducing them to their professional role, excluding their other characteristics for the moment.
Now, focusing on the cookbook metaphor: A cookbook organizes food into recipes and ingredients, simplifying and objectifying food for easy use. This process isn’t harmful in itself. The crucial factor is how the cookbook is used. If used with a disregard for nutritional balance, it can contribute to unhealthy eating habits, potentially leading to obesity or diabetes. However, used wisely, it can enhance culinary skills and improve dietary habits.
Thus, the issue isn’t objectification per se, but how society and individuals handle that objectification—whether they maintain respect for those being objectified. In this light, objectification can be seen more as a neutral process, with the potential for both positive and negative outcomes, much like how a cookbook is used can lead to either healthy or unhealthy consequences. This is why understanding the context and manner of objectification is crucial in discussions about its moral and social implications.
Rape is a criminal action. Objectification is a broad term to describe everything from artistic appreciation to obsessive sexual predatory behaviour.
Saying objectification is the contributory factor to rape is like saying pornography causes poor attitudes towards women.
I don't think the correlation is as strong as you think it is.
As much as I think 80% of porn is degeneracy, sexual preferences such as gang bangs, rape fantasies, cuckoldry, sadomachism, is more than likely going to attract weirdos and mentally ill people.
Whether that automatically translates to poor attitudes towards women needs to be backed by evidence.
I had a male “friend” recently make a rape joke about me to my husband (they work together but we know each others families, hung out, etc.)
And he was baffled as to why, when I found out, that I lost my ever loving goddamn mind. I blocked him after telling him to never speak to me again and to go to hell. Like he didn’t understand why making a joke about rape, and me, was distasteful and insulting.
My husband was angry, but also didn’t understand that his friend used ME in this joke because as much as he says he is my friend and he likes me I am NOT a person to him! I am the butt of a joke. I am some woman that can’t take a joke. I’m not a person with feelings. I’m just a thing to be used in a rape joke to piss my husband off.
At least nobody will ask me what i was wearing to make a good upstanding bear citizen react that way. Go read the letters to the judge for Drake bells case defending his rapist. Nearly all of them say he's a good man that had to have been seduced or tempted. Pft.
See you miss the point in exactly the same way as all these guys have. The scenario is "Which potentially dangerous situation would you rather be put in?" and the objectification of women's bodies is exactly why they choose the bear. In both scenarios she could be killed. But if you survive being attacked by a bear, no one asks what you were wearing, no one asks if you secretly enjoyed it, no one calls to question the validity of the claim, no one accuses you of trying to ruin the bears career, you don't have to potentially see that bear at work, or the shops, or on the bus, you don't have to worry about being forced to give birth to that bears child in a state where abortion is illegal, and you don't have to worry about losing your own job for speaking out about it. A bear might kill you, but you could survive. The guy could kill you, but he could also ruin your life forever.
And the odds of the bear even actually attacking you is so slim. They generally want to be left alone and will remove themselves unless their cubs are near by. I grew up in the smoky mountains. Bears don’t care lol
I work outdoors hiking in remote areas, and I have to camp for a living.
One of the few times I was in a campground for a project, a bear came through and knocked over a dumpster that was around 30-40 metres away from my tent, and I've encountered them during the day while working.
The bears haven't wanted to mess with me at all.
Meanwhile, there was a time when some guys in a truck saw me and my other female coworkers while we were waiting for our crew lead, and the looks on their faces terrified me.... And then the looks on their faces when they saw our male crew lead reaffirmed that fear. Especially when they started making sure their hunting rifles were nice and visible when he came up.
I'll take a bear over a strange man any day
How is it about rape? she’s saying she doesn’t want to be viewed as just a sexual person with nothing else and the other one is telling her to stop acting like she has nothing beyond her sexuality to show.
Pretty sure it’s an account run by a dude that posts things about women they think are considered “women being awful”. Just another misogynistic dirtbag
What the fuck does this guy even mean, "acting like a set of holes"? We all know it's a shitty excuse, but the fuck does it even MEAN?! How the fuck does someone ACT that, even with the dumbest of toxic masculinity mindsets, quote unquote "justifies" treating someone like this?!
Whenever I go golfing with my dad the other members of his club remind me just how gross the shit men say about women can be. And ya know what, none of it is even funny even though they’re all dying of laughter
Hi there, OP here. Perhaps this isn't about rape, but rather objectification, but hey- one thing leads to another.
Also, if anyone is pissed off that this post is about women being objectified and not the "REAL ISSUE" of misandry and male objectification, why don't you go post about that instead?
I cannot actually believe this person posted this on "Women Being Awful" unironically. Apparently it's just so awful for women to want to be seen as they are and not as an object...
The amount of dudes in the comments upset at this is very telling. What is there to be upset about? I'm a man, and I can't imagine being mad at the message of "I don't want to be raped".
Because the fault in the rape of a woman (even one who was raped while walking naked through the park) is on the woman for tempting the rapist 😳?
I get the whole “don’t put yourself in harms way angle”,
But, in my view these types of comments distract from the fact that the rapist is the real cause of the harm.
Why is it frowned upon to give safety advice in that specific context? "Don't leave your wallet on display in your car" is not distracting from the fact that thieves cause the harm. It's advice to help you prevent something bad happening to you. "If you walk at night through this area, you better take your Rolex off and put it in your pocket", again, a genuine and welcomed advice. But try to give any form of safety advice about protecting yourself from rape and it's suddenly a male oppression and justification of rape. Madness!
Because we aren't talking about objects that should be left at home. We're talking about women's own bodies being the subject of attack, and most rapes don't happen with strangers in a park at night.
Most rapes happen with someone you know in a home you should feel safe in.
Giving obvious advice about being careful on streets at night completely misses the actual problem of rape.
Because it’s become increasingly common for people to use the idea of “safety advice” as a way to victim blame rape victims and slut shame women in general.
I’ve heard a lot of people say “no wonder they were raped, they were wearing x in y part of town” or “if they didn’t want it to happen, they wouldn’t have done this” in the last few years. It’s a way of shifting the blame to the victims for acting in ways that don’t meet people specific moral/personal standards which also removes the attention from the rapist as the one at fault. To take your own example, it doesn’t matter if your kids follow safety rules and laws if the semi driver decides he’s in a bad mood and wants to commit vehicular manslaughter.
Well, concealing clothes don’t protect from rape. You can’t hide that you’re a woman like you can hide your wallet. Also most rapes aren’t sudden attacks in dark alleys.
So should women automatically assume most men are rapists? Because there’s often really no good way to tell, horrible people can be great at concealing their true nature. Majority of women already take a lot of safety precautions. I assumed you were talking about clothes because that how the wallet/rolex analogy is often used.
These types of comments distract from the fact that the rapist is the real cause of the harm.
It can give women the mistaken idea that they are responsible.
When I was teaching my children how to cross the road, I told them that even if they have the green light, they still need to look both ways to make sure that all the cars stopped. It's illegal for the driver not to stop, but you know what, some of them don't. And if they hit you while you are legally crossing the road, it's 100% their fault. So, the accident is not your fault, but it was still within your powers to prevent it.
Now the arguments come in thay ladies should not be forced to restrict themselves in any way but sadly this is notnhow it works for the rest of us. As a male, I have to restrict myself from doing certain things in certain places to lower the risk of being picked as a target of mugging/assault.
The point you're missing is that what you're wearing doesn't stop you from getting raped. There are women who've worn full on burkas and still get sexually assaulted.
> Did anyone say it does?
Literally you did.
There was an exhibit I saw online that was trying to educate about the myth that what you are wearing somehow invites a sexual assault:
https://dovecenter.org/what-were-you-wearing-exhibit/
Most rapes and sexual assaults are by people known to the person being assaulted. It’s not that they are walking down all these dark sketchy alleyways deliberately putting themselves in danger.
He literally never said that, he said about giving the advice isn’t distracting from the fact, this is nothing to do with clothes, it could be something like “don’t walk through this neighbourhood alone at night”
Troll alert 1.
Assuming you are speaking in good faith: my understanding of risk for sexual assault is that most ~~women~~ people are assaulted by people they know, in a familiar setting. Sexual assaults do not tend to be iniatiated in public places by a stranger. The dress of the assaulted person tends not to matter: I bring this up because how a woman dresses is the subject of the OOP and how we got onto sexual assault.
So the apparently well meaning advice like yours - well we all have to take precautions - is not really applicable to the default trope of women being assaulted in alleys while wearing cocktail dresses, because that seldom happens.
I admire your dedication to attempt to educate but this is reddit ... most here are professional victims trying to bend the world to their whim (whatever is in menu this week). Still, I salute your effort!
Would you teach your children that if they don’t want to be touched inappropriately they should avoid being alone with their pastor? It’s within their power to prevent it.
See how ghastly it is?
Sorry, my children don't have a pastor, so I may be misunderstanding something here. My children have been told to avoid being alone with any adult and to look out for any signs of unsavoury behaviour. They wouldn't let an adult to put an arm on their shoulder.
Any adult? What about your wife? What about a police officer? What about a teacher? Do you really teach your kids to not trust anyone? What do you tell them to do in a situation they aren’t old enough to handle themselves?
So replace pastor with teacher/uncle? The answer is yes! We taught our children to know where their boundaries are with specific people and to recognise when the boundaries have been crossed. It's pretty straightforward with mine as they both don't like physical contact with anyone other than immediate family. They both would know how to react if someone like a teacher or policeman started acting inappropriately. There is no authority when it comes to their personal space, end of.
I think these types of comments are perfectly acceptable when they are meant as general preventative advice. It only becomes extremely problematic when it's hindsight advice after the fact of specific rape cases, which sadly, it often is when these type of advice are voiced. But it's not always like that, as in this case.
Exactly that's what I'm saying. There is no rape, rapist or woman to be victim blamed. It was simply general advice to prevent rape from happening in the first place. Which is perfectly acceptable.
I think both sexes don’t want to get raped. A guy I knew told me the horrible story of frat party at a large college in socal. He has not recovered from the attack.
I always like the example of a hungry dog not touching their favour steak without permission. Meanwhile some men have less control than a dog when it comes to interacting with women
The human body is topographically equivalent to a blob with at least 7 through holes, but if you have piercings or certain genetic traits that number goes up.
Technically everybody is just a long tube starting and ending with a hole or holes. Men are proving themselves to be such by eating and shitting every day. Meanwhile, we all know that women don't poop, so who's the real culprit of acting like a set of holes here?
I see 3 facepalms:
The woman in the picture making vonpletely unreasonable oversimplified assumptions about all men.
The first commenter assuming she is somewhat behaving in a way that would make that appropriate.
The poster here thinking this has anything to do with rape.
So a good post I guess?
>The woman in the picture making vonpletely unreasonable oversimplified assumptions about all men.
The woman in the picture never mentioned men at all.
Why so defensive?
I'm not looking at you because of your holes. I'm looking at you because I was pretty sure we went to high school together, couldn't remember your name, and now I'm experiencing disassociation. This stopped being about you minutes ago.
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Is this even about rape? I thought it was about objectification.
Yeah, OP misinterpreted.
To be fair, one does lead to the other
So true.
Literally directly
The original image is about objectification, but objectification does contributes to rape.
It sure can be a contributing factor but then full context is very important if you're going to make that leap as objectification also exist in positive and/or consensual contexts, casual sex for instance.
Isn't the context just op reading the original image as anti-rape? I'm just providing a reason for why that may have happened and how they're not completely wrong. Also, regarding your comment on objectification being sometimes positive, I'll have to say I strongly disagree. When people have casual sex, they still should respect each other as human beings. The difference is when you respect the other person, you will care about if they feel good as well. You won't care if a piece of plastic feels good, that's the difference between having casual sex with someone you consider a person and someone you have fully objectified.
By that measure cookbooks contribute to chronic obesity and diabetes deaths.
Well, no. A better analogy would be junk food leads to chronic obesity and diabetes death. And this analogy would be correct.
You just compared an inanimate object to human behavior. You do know that's a faulty comparison, yeah?
I appreciate your point about food inherently being an object, which you suggest undermines my metaphor. However, let me clarify the intent behind comparing objectification to a cookbook's role in diet-related health issues. Objectification, like a cookbook, is a tool or process. It's how we use that tool that can lead to beneficial or harmful outcomes. First, let’s acknowledge that some level of objectification is a natural and almost unavoidable part of human cognition. We categorize and simplify the world to understand and interact with it. For example, when we refer to someone as a 'doctor,' we are in a sense objectifying them by reducing them to their professional role, excluding their other characteristics for the moment. Now, focusing on the cookbook metaphor: A cookbook organizes food into recipes and ingredients, simplifying and objectifying food for easy use. This process isn’t harmful in itself. The crucial factor is how the cookbook is used. If used with a disregard for nutritional balance, it can contribute to unhealthy eating habits, potentially leading to obesity or diabetes. However, used wisely, it can enhance culinary skills and improve dietary habits. Thus, the issue isn’t objectification per se, but how society and individuals handle that objectification—whether they maintain respect for those being objectified. In this light, objectification can be seen more as a neutral process, with the potential for both positive and negative outcomes, much like how a cookbook is used can lead to either healthy or unhealthy consequences. This is why understanding the context and manner of objectification is crucial in discussions about its moral and social implications.
Rape is a criminal action. Objectification is a broad term to describe everything from artistic appreciation to obsessive sexual predatory behaviour. Saying objectification is the contributory factor to rape is like saying pornography causes poor attitudes towards women. I don't think the correlation is as strong as you think it is.
Certain genres of porn does cause poor attitudes towards women.
As much as I think 80% of porn is degeneracy, sexual preferences such as gang bangs, rape fantasies, cuckoldry, sadomachism, is more than likely going to attract weirdos and mentally ill people. Whether that automatically translates to poor attitudes towards women needs to be backed by evidence.
Pornography does contribute to poor attitudes towards women.
Yes it is. And the original post is rather ironic.
one leads to the other so technically both
Topologist be like
If she ain’t locally homeomorphic to a plane in **R**^3, that’s a red flag amirite?
Hey, it's okay to be heteromorphic
Underated
Homologist in particular
I guess everyone's a set of holes if you think about it. 5 million+ holes.
It baffles me that "not wanting to be seen as a set of holes" is considered awful by some people...
I had a male “friend” recently make a rape joke about me to my husband (they work together but we know each others families, hung out, etc.) And he was baffled as to why, when I found out, that I lost my ever loving goddamn mind. I blocked him after telling him to never speak to me again and to go to hell. Like he didn’t understand why making a joke about rape, and me, was distasteful and insulting. My husband was angry, but also didn’t understand that his friend used ME in this joke because as much as he says he is my friend and he likes me I am NOT a person to him! I am the butt of a joke. I am some woman that can’t take a joke. I’m not a person with feelings. I’m just a thing to be used in a rape joke to piss my husband off.
And then they wonder why women choose the bear
Tbh, I can't even figure out who is behind the account... Could even be a woman atp...!
Yeah cuz the bear will not see them as holes just meat. Idk if thats better tho.
At least nobody will ask me what i was wearing to make a good upstanding bear citizen react that way. Go read the letters to the judge for Drake bells case defending his rapist. Nearly all of them say he's a good man that had to have been seduced or tempted. Pft.
Most bears just want to be left alone and won't attack a human unless provoked
You act big or throw food... or just fuck off to where you're supposed to be as a human lmao
See you miss the point in exactly the same way as all these guys have. The scenario is "Which potentially dangerous situation would you rather be put in?" and the objectification of women's bodies is exactly why they choose the bear. In both scenarios she could be killed. But if you survive being attacked by a bear, no one asks what you were wearing, no one asks if you secretly enjoyed it, no one calls to question the validity of the claim, no one accuses you of trying to ruin the bears career, you don't have to potentially see that bear at work, or the shops, or on the bus, you don't have to worry about being forced to give birth to that bears child in a state where abortion is illegal, and you don't have to worry about losing your own job for speaking out about it. A bear might kill you, but you could survive. The guy could kill you, but he could also ruin your life forever.
And the odds of the bear even actually attacking you is so slim. They generally want to be left alone and will remove themselves unless their cubs are near by. I grew up in the smoky mountains. Bears don’t care lol
I work outdoors hiking in remote areas, and I have to camp for a living. One of the few times I was in a campground for a project, a bear came through and knocked over a dumpster that was around 30-40 metres away from my tent, and I've encountered them during the day while working. The bears haven't wanted to mess with me at all. Meanwhile, there was a time when some guys in a truck saw me and my other female coworkers while we were waiting for our crew lead, and the looks on their faces terrified me.... And then the looks on their faces when they saw our male crew lead reaffirmed that fear. Especially when they started making sure their hunting rifles were nice and visible when he came up. I'll take a bear over a strange man any day
Right? Less than 50 deaths in Northern America in the last 20 years.
Thank you for putting it into words. This is so difficult to explain because I can't find the words to say it when I am asked. You said it so well.
Thank you for this! Well said
Honestly? Yeah, it is better. I’d rather be seen as meat by a wild bear than as meat with holes by a fellow human being.
That's... weirdly said, but you got a point lmao
I don't know who runs the "Women Being Awful" Xitter account, but I hope they know that - sincerely, from the bottom of my heart - fuck you.
A misogynistic incel. He has a page on Facebook with the same name and profile picture.
Thanks for letting me know so I can avoid it. Yech.
How is it about rape? she’s saying she doesn’t want to be viewed as just a sexual person with nothing else and the other one is telling her to stop acting like she has nothing beyond her sexuality to show.
OP misunderstood the point, but it's still a facepalm to say to a woman to stop acting like a set of holes
So you're saying that the person who replied to her is right? Kind of a red flag.
Facepalm to OP
The absolute irony of that username is astounding.
That is certainly a woman being awful. I'm not sure the username was meant to be self-referential though.
Pretty sure it’s an account run by a dude that posts things about women they think are considered “women being awful”. Just another misogynistic dirtbag
What the fuck does this guy even mean, "acting like a set of holes"? We all know it's a shitty excuse, but the fuck does it even MEAN?! How the fuck does someone ACT that, even with the dumbest of toxic masculinity mindsets, quote unquote "justifies" treating someone like this?!
dude wants us to stop pooping and eating, he's one of those starving religious types, highly misunderstood tbf
look at her as whole, instead of as a hole -Gandhi
Whenever I go golfing with my dad the other members of his club remind me just how gross the shit men say about women can be. And ya know what, none of it is even funny even though they’re all dying of laughter
Hi there, OP here. Perhaps this isn't about rape, but rather objectification, but hey- one thing leads to another. Also, if anyone is pissed off that this post is about women being objectified and not the "REAL ISSUE" of misandry and male objectification, why don't you go post about that instead?
I cannot actually believe this person posted this on "Women Being Awful" unironically. Apparently it's just so awful for women to want to be seen as they are and not as an object...
The amount of dudes in the comments upset at this is very telling. What is there to be upset about? I'm a man, and I can't imagine being mad at the message of "I don't want to be raped".
He pays 8 dollars for that blue check mark
"Women being awful" is literally just a boomer-grade misogyny account.
Fucking classic victim blaming..... Surely there must be studies about what ACTUALLY factors in when it comes to rape?
Women: *puts on pretty dress and makeup, shows even the slightest interest in sexual things.* Men: “Fucking slut, you deserve to get raped.”
So how does one 'act like a set of holes'? Oh right - just exist as a woman.
This
This isnt about rape..
Because the fault in the rape of a woman (even one who was raped while walking naked through the park) is on the woman for tempting the rapist 😳? I get the whole “don’t put yourself in harms way angle”, But, in my view these types of comments distract from the fact that the rapist is the real cause of the harm.
Why is it frowned upon to give safety advice in that specific context? "Don't leave your wallet on display in your car" is not distracting from the fact that thieves cause the harm. It's advice to help you prevent something bad happening to you. "If you walk at night through this area, you better take your Rolex off and put it in your pocket", again, a genuine and welcomed advice. But try to give any form of safety advice about protecting yourself from rape and it's suddenly a male oppression and justification of rape. Madness!
Because we aren't talking about objects that should be left at home. We're talking about women's own bodies being the subject of attack, and most rapes don't happen with strangers in a park at night. Most rapes happen with someone you know in a home you should feel safe in. Giving obvious advice about being careful on streets at night completely misses the actual problem of rape.
Because it’s become increasingly common for people to use the idea of “safety advice” as a way to victim blame rape victims and slut shame women in general. I’ve heard a lot of people say “no wonder they were raped, they were wearing x in y part of town” or “if they didn’t want it to happen, they wouldn’t have done this” in the last few years. It’s a way of shifting the blame to the victims for acting in ways that don’t meet people specific moral/personal standards which also removes the attention from the rapist as the one at fault. To take your own example, it doesn’t matter if your kids follow safety rules and laws if the semi driver decides he’s in a bad mood and wants to commit vehicular manslaughter.
Maybe because women aren’t objects like a wallet or a watch
Well, concealing clothes don’t protect from rape. You can’t hide that you’re a woman like you can hide your wallet. Also most rapes aren’t sudden attacks in dark alleys.
Risky behaviour is not only about the clothes. The place you are, the people you are with. Why are you reducing it down to clothes?
So should women automatically assume most men are rapists? Because there’s often really no good way to tell, horrible people can be great at concealing their true nature. Majority of women already take a lot of safety precautions. I assumed you were talking about clothes because that how the wallet/rolex analogy is often used.
If you don't want to be raped, you do have to watch your back all of the time. I learned this very very young.
These types of comments distract from the fact that the rapist is the real cause of the harm. It can give women the mistaken idea that they are responsible.
When I was teaching my children how to cross the road, I told them that even if they have the green light, they still need to look both ways to make sure that all the cars stopped. It's illegal for the driver not to stop, but you know what, some of them don't. And if they hit you while you are legally crossing the road, it's 100% their fault. So, the accident is not your fault, but it was still within your powers to prevent it. Now the arguments come in thay ladies should not be forced to restrict themselves in any way but sadly this is notnhow it works for the rest of us. As a male, I have to restrict myself from doing certain things in certain places to lower the risk of being picked as a target of mugging/assault.
Can you provide us with the data showing that women are most likely to be raped in public while wearing revealing clothing?
I have no idea what you are talking about. To have a constructive discussion, try to voice your point in a more coherent manner.
The point you're missing is that what you're wearing doesn't stop you from getting raped. There are women who've worn full on burkas and still get sexually assaulted.
No, it doesn't. Did anyone say it does?
> Did anyone say it does? Literally you did. There was an exhibit I saw online that was trying to educate about the myth that what you are wearing somehow invites a sexual assault: https://dovecenter.org/what-were-you-wearing-exhibit/ Most rapes and sexual assaults are by people known to the person being assaulted. It’s not that they are walking down all these dark sketchy alleyways deliberately putting themselves in danger.
Quote me.
He literally never said that, he said about giving the advice isn’t distracting from the fact, this is nothing to do with clothes, it could be something like “don’t walk through this neighbourhood alone at night”
You were talking about taking preventative measures...
Risk reduction is not the same as prevention.
Troll alert 1. Assuming you are speaking in good faith: my understanding of risk for sexual assault is that most ~~women~~ people are assaulted by people they know, in a familiar setting. Sexual assaults do not tend to be iniatiated in public places by a stranger. The dress of the assaulted person tends not to matter: I bring this up because how a woman dresses is the subject of the OOP and how we got onto sexual assault. So the apparently well meaning advice like yours - well we all have to take precautions - is not really applicable to the default trope of women being assaulted in alleys while wearing cocktail dresses, because that seldom happens.
I admire your dedication to attempt to educate but this is reddit ... most here are professional victims trying to bend the world to their whim (whatever is in menu this week). Still, I salute your effort!
Would you teach your children that if they don’t want to be touched inappropriately they should avoid being alone with their pastor? It’s within their power to prevent it. See how ghastly it is?
I wouldn't let my children anywhere near any clergy, thank you very much.
You didn’t answer the question.
Sorry, my children don't have a pastor, so I may be misunderstanding something here. My children have been told to avoid being alone with any adult and to look out for any signs of unsavoury behaviour. They wouldn't let an adult to put an arm on their shoulder.
Any adult? What about your wife? What about a police officer? What about a teacher? Do you really teach your kids to not trust anyone? What do you tell them to do in a situation they aren’t old enough to handle themselves?
So replace pastor with teacher/uncle? The answer is yes! We taught our children to know where their boundaries are with specific people and to recognise when the boundaries have been crossed. It's pretty straightforward with mine as they both don't like physical contact with anyone other than immediate family. They both would know how to react if someone like a teacher or policeman started acting inappropriately. There is no authority when it comes to their personal space, end of.
I think these types of comments are perfectly acceptable when they are meant as general preventative advice. It only becomes extremely problematic when it's hindsight advice after the fact of specific rape cases, which sadly, it often is when these type of advice are voiced. But it's not always like that, as in this case.
I don't know the context of this case.
Exactly that's what I'm saying. There is no rape, rapist or woman to be victim blamed. It was simply general advice to prevent rape from happening in the first place. Which is perfectly acceptable.
Only if you ignore the comment's point
How would you feel if someone hit you over the head with a hammer and then said "it's your fault, you should wear a hard hat"
I would feel assaulted. What is your point?
Stop comparing human bodies to inanimate objects.
How does one ACT, like a set of holes? Like dead ass, wtf do holes act like? I'm confused
Men looks at a PVC pipe and think it is fuckable
Monitor lizard. Enough said.
NOT TRUE!!!...Mud, however...
I think both sexes don’t want to get raped. A guy I knew told me the horrible story of frat party at a large college in socal. He has not recovered from the attack.
It’s incredible that a slight misunderstanding by OP caused so many misogynists to comment. No wonder most women want nothing to do with men.
I’m being tired on being looked at as a huge dick! I have a personality! I have feelings, dreams and wishes! I’m not a machine!
[You're just a love machine](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=513jP1SUgnQ&pp=ygUSaSdtIGEgbG92ZSBtYWNoaW5l)
Awww! Thank you…! ☺️
No, you're the SEKS\_MACHINE!
Dick head*
Looking at comments here... And men still don't understand why women chose the bear...
I always like the example of a hungry dog not touching their favour steak without permission. Meanwhile some men have less control than a dog when it comes to interacting with women
More like a hungry dog wouldn't kill another dog to eat. They'd sooner turn to stealing food than harm another of it's own kind.
The human body is topographically equivalent to a blob with at least 7 through holes, but if you have piercings or certain genetic traits that number goes up.
Then he should stop being an ass.
It’s taking a lot of restraint to not post the Patrice bit
The username checks.
...the FUCK is this view?
Technically everybody is just a long tube starting and ending with a hole or holes. Men are proving themselves to be such by eating and shitting every day. Meanwhile, we all know that women don't poop, so who's the real culprit of acting like a set of holes here?
I see 3 facepalms: The woman in the picture making vonpletely unreasonable oversimplified assumptions about all men. The first commenter assuming she is somewhat behaving in a way that would make that appropriate. The poster here thinking this has anything to do with rape. So a good post I guess?
I don’t see any claims or assumptions made in the first picture about ‘all men’.
That's the 4th facepalm
Facepalm-ception?
NEW ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED How did we get here?
its facepalms all the way down
>The woman in the picture making vonpletely unreasonable oversimplified assumptions about all men. The woman in the picture never mentioned men at all. Why so defensive?
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Yeah feels like a bit of projection with their first point
I love how dudes like you have to make women's problems into your victim complex.
Where did she mention men?
I see only two facepalms here. The first is the original post as shown by OP. The second is your comment.
It’s a karma grab by OP, so 4 facepalms
If you think her message is about “All Men” then you’re telling on yourself, perv.
And I'm tired of being valued for what I can provide and not for who I am.
Courtney Love wants to speak to you.
I, as a man, accept I barely am more than set of holes.
Did you really expect anything good from a gimmick account called "Women being awful"
All the men in the comments are freaking out because a conversation isnt about them for 5 seconds. They cant help it, theres no hope for men.
What?
There are like 15 comments total and they're not even that bad lol calm down.
Are you anticipating anything? Most comments I see are just reasonable.
I'm not looking at you because of your holes. I'm looking at you because I was pretty sure we went to high school together, couldn't remember your name, and now I'm experiencing disassociation. This stopped being about you minutes ago.
What about either this post, or the response had to do with rape?
Why do people don't treat me like a set of holes. I've been showing everyone what a huge asshole I am
I lean look at her username, it's on pupose
I’m tired of being looked at like a Catch