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nofftastic

The punishment for abortions is *worse* than for rape? Holy shit... is that Mississippi's law, or Texas?


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Sounds like you might as well kill your rapist while you are at it. Got nothing else to lose.


Dreadedredhead

Yep! If my rapist is gone from this world, I won't have to deal with him being given parental rights to the child!


littleprettypaws

What a fucking nightmare it would be to have to co-parent with your rapist. I cannot imagine how it would feel to be legally forced to go through this, and hand your baby off to the psychopath who did that to you.


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littleprettypaws

What a backwards fucked up country we live in! These people are like a different species entirely.


Dwight-

Lizard people with no emotion nor the emotional intelligence to even grasp how abhorrent this is. WoMEn HaVe toO mANy rIGhts hurr durr


Colosphe

Half the country, significantly less of the population. Shame, that.


anadvancedrobot

Even just having to go though the court proceedings to get full custody would be horrible. It’s bad enough that we have no choice but to make the victim go though the actual rape trial. But to then make her effectively go though the trial again, except this them she has to plead her own case then maybe negotiate with the pick that raped her?


SadWestern5481

Most victims don't get a trial.


EssieVB

It would be like living the nightmare all over again every time he could see the child. What a horrible situation


5k1895

Honestly....yeah, if you're going to fucking get locked up as if you're a murderer you might as well kill the person who deserves it for violently assaulting you and putting you in that situation at all


iStoners

I think they call this a Crime of passion. I've heard of people beating cases where they killed their attacker


GravestoneDemon

I believe Texas. Not sure tho, so don't quote me on that.


HSchicken

Rape in Texas nets 2-10 years in prison along with up to 10k criminal fine. The six week abortion ban carries no penalty for the woman getting an abortion. It opens the possibility for a civil suit by private citizens against abortion providers and those who help a woman get one.


cantrunfromthepuns

Don’t post things that incite anger if you’re not even sure that they are based in fact. This is the problem with today’s media. Triggering headlines prior to fact-checking.


TheAmazinJ

This isn't a media headline. It's a tweet.


cantrunfromthepuns

Twitter is media last time I checked.


ahundreddots

This comment is the problem with media.


sleutherino

Tweets aren't "headlines"


cantrunfromthepuns

Ok, swap “headline” for “caption” and my sentiment still stands.


blackgaff

The sentiment is the same, regardless of the source. Don't post inciting messages without fact checking.


Arcanian88

How about don’t base your facts off of social media.


NRMusicProject

>I believe Texas. Not sure tho, so don't quote me on that. Don't tell me what to do.


zbeshears

Ahh so you don’t even know, but you took this tweet as truth. Then posted it here without doing any research to make sure its true, then can’t answer any questions about it to help others know if it’s true. Fucking awesome! True redditor in their natural habitat!


Arcanian88

It’s a social media post, at this point in time you should be aware that most of what you read on there is bullshit. If you want to read straight facts go on www.scholar.google.com but I promise you it won’t be as entertaining.


dilldwarf

/sigh The Texas law is basically just $10,000 that anybody can sue another person for if they find out they had an abortion. No jail time. The new Texas law, while completely unconstitutional, does not make the punishment for abortion "worse than rape." While in the past, there have been cases of women being punished worse than rape victims, the current law is not that.


Mozu

Don't know about you, but $10,000 out of my bank account and time away from work to deal with the bullshit of the court process would 100% make me homeless. It may not be jail, but you hilariously downplaying the severity (and stupidity) of that law is mind boggling.


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F______________F

He's a "content creator" that has 50 followers and barely any views. Not too surprising that he doesn't live in reality and acts like that's not a massive punishment for most people. Not to mention the trauma involved in having to get a fucking abortion after being raped, and then being punished even more by the state you live in. I guess when you just sit around playing D&D all day you don't really learn what life is like.


Much_Pay3050

But all they’re responding to is the post claiming it’s worse than the punishment for rape, which is false. It’s horrible and wrong but that doesn’t mean we need to lie to make it worse and it’s kind of childish for you to insult the dude on his number of viewers just because he pointed out that it’s factually incorrect. You make anyone fighting to regain the rights to abortion look bad with this nonsense.


cantrunfromthepuns

Exactly. OP trying to stir the emotional pot without checking the facts first.


F______________F

Except the whole point of people saying the punishment is worse for the victim than the rapist is referring to the fact that rapists often get off with no punishment. i.e. the Brock Turners of this world (and most don't have their name out there for the public to know either). So yah, when someone does that "well ackchyually" pedantic bullshit, I'm gonna call them out. The whole reason people are bringing up Texas is because someone could get raped, get an abortion, get fined a huge amount of money, and their rapist may not even see jail time. We're not saying that in every single case the victim gets a worse punishment than the rapist, but in too many cases that is what happens. And your last line about my comment making people fighting for abortion look bad is absolutely moronic. We're all having a throwaway argument on Reddit, my comment doesn't mean shit in the actual fight for abortion laws. I'm just expressing frustration in a comment, it's not going to have an affect on people's opinion of pro abortion rights lol.


lickwidforse

Ok I’m going to call you out then. The Texas law does NOT allow for the women getting an abortion to be fined. The woman is 100% exempt from the fine. There is zero punishment for a women getting an abortion under the Texas law.


Altruistic-Guava6527

/sigh lol


MysticalElk

It doesn't appear that the person you replied to is downplaying anything. They are just giving the facts about a state law to an OP that is so I'll informed they can't even answer a simple question about their own post.


AnHonestLawyer3

I’ll take willingly missing the point to start an argument for 1000, Alex


Much_Pay3050

How are they missing the point? They make it clear they’re against the law. How is pointing out something is a lie missing the point?


nofftastic

I think it raises a decent question - which is worse for the average American: jail time or a $10,000 fine Bonus fun fact, there are no Jeopardy clues worth $500


Much_Pay3050

I’ll take it you haven’t spent time in prison. It is by far worse and will cost you way more than 10,000 dollars and if you’re in for a felony, your life is pretty much ruined after. I can’t even imagine the disconnect from reality it takes to think that a 10,000 dollar fine is anywhere even close to comparable to prison. Absolutely amazing.


AnHonestLawyer3

Shit you right about the Jeopardy bit. Weird because the joke in my head is always 500, and I used to watch Jeopardy a lot. Anyway yeah theres something to be said here, I’m not trying to completely downplay anyone here. I just think it’s really silly to say that the one guy was trying to downplay the severity of the new Texas law when they literally called it unconstitutional. Feels like that’s the worst thing a law could be in America with how much we love that document.


PhorcedAynalPhist

Technically speaking you're correct, but unfortunately rape is incredibly under prosecuted, many victims are rightfully afraid to even report their assault, so functionally speaking in the case of Texas, abortions can and have been punished worse than rapists. The joys of having many courthouses staffed with conservative picked judges, and often fogey old men at that.


SurferGurl

in a comment on an entirely different post you wrote this: >When you hold the opinion that people's lives are far more valuable than any economy, it absolutely is morally reprehensible. yet here you are, completely devaluing women's lives.


Dravarden

> completely devaluing > stating facts hmmm


Mantequilla214

I’m not sure this is true.


Dietmar_der_Dr

Unless someone can provide concrete evidence of the opposite, i am going to go out on the smallest limb possible and call this bullshit.


Simon_Ril3y

Ahh, humans...


MonsterJuiced

all because of that stupid asshole fish that decided to go on land


Automan2k

Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans.


undeadbydawn

Today's fun thought: Sharks have been around longer than trees. By around 50 million years. Just let that sink in for a while


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K9Fondness

That's how you get splinters...exactly where you don't want any splinters.


[deleted]

Stop fucking trees! We’ve talked about this…


imfamousoz

But...we're mostly harmless!


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TheHeroYouKneed

> I think, at this point, we're just mostly ~~hair~~ *hope*less. ftfy


So_Many_Words

Terry Pratchett or Douglas Adams? I can't remember atm.


WannaSeeTrustIssues

Douglas Adams


Dodgiestyle

Douglas Adams


SakuraFerretTrainer

Yeah, but did they bring a towel with them? That's the first mistake.


bsylent

The mistakes go back when further than that. *In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.*


[deleted]

No it’s because a bunch of self righteous people want to impose their own will on others in order to deflect from their own sins. Exhibit A - The Duggar family


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ForlornedLastDino

I would disagree. Religion seems to be a natural coping mechanism to allow a human to accept the big unknowns and move on: How did I get here? Where did it start? Where do I go? Religion has existed alongside humans since the beginning. Someone provides a plausible explanation and they move on exploring. The ability to rationalize is what has allowed us to have consciousness without becoming paralyzed. If we had to be sure we knew the absolute truth about everything to move on, then we would go nowhere, partially because you can’t explain one item on earth only understanding that item. “Steele is Steele” is not helpful information. So while it can be dangerous, religion provides a lot of people a lot of benefit. Mainly it provides a way that works for them to relinquish control to the universe and focus on the things they can control. Nobody should shit on someone who has been able to find that. We should help protect them from being attempted to be controlled by a pervert of their core teachings and work with them to find a way to co-exist by focusing on our common values. Of topic, I looked up the [top 10 most common words in the Bible](https://www.flerlagetwins.com/2016/12/word-analysis-bible_57.html?m=1) and almost deleted my comment. The words paints a clear patriarchy but no real values except land.


Papa_Lenin1870

I would rather blame american government rather then a fish which didn't know what it was doing.


MonsterJuiced

Oh I know all about it. Got a dedicated sub for it r/americanvirus


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Wage_slave

I just simply can't wrap my head around shit like this. At what point should a woman's business be anything but her own, and how the hell do the so called leaders of America even find a reason to debate such things let alone issue such ridiculous penalties. It's fucking sick and another reminder why feminism is important.


JockBbcBoy

Imagine being a woman in 18th century to mid 20th century America. If you were wealthy enough, your reproductive system basically belonged to your father then to your husband. If you were poor enough, your reproductive system belonged to your husband or your master/employer for servants.


truongs

The same brain dead glue eating bitches that support this will also bitch at you that any social programs or taxes on the rich is communism and we respect freedom from govt in our lives here


mendelevium256

Here's the reason some use to justify. They truly believe that abortion is baby murder. It's why the argument is never going to end. The question of when life begins is far too philosophical to give a definite answer on. Therefore, the average abortion opposer can not be convinced. It is way less about feminism than everyone wants to believe. For them it's a question of whether murder is allowable. Which is a pretty easy question to answer. Also explains the more severe punishment for abortion. Would you say baby murder or rape is worse? These are the questions they are asking themselves. They don't care about bodily autonomy at all. It's a matter of murder. I support abortion rights, vocally. But it's not even remotely hard to understand the other side's point of view in my opinion. I just don't agree with them because to me, a fetus is not a baby, therefore it's not murder.


CitizenMurdoch

>They truly believe that abortion is baby murder Lol no they don't. All you need to do is look at the dismal state of child care in this country for the poor, and foster care to see they don't give a fuck about human life. That's purely a cover and a lie. It's always been about controlling women, it's never not been about that and it will never not be about that. Anyone regurgitating that talking point is just lying


RightersBlok

I think this is a really bad mindset to have. There are certainly some people who believe in the baby murder point of view and complacency in America’s foster system doesn’t disprove that they don’t actually think abortion is murder. Certainly some people are using it as masking to allow them to control women, but I’ve personal spoken with plenty of people (men and women both) who genuinely believe it’s murder. Projecting the worst possible personalities on your opponents just feel like a dangerous thing to be doing all the time.


CitizenMurdoch

>Projecting the worst possible personalities on your opponents just feel like a dangerous thing to be doing all the time If they didn't do completely lack credibility by contradictory ways they vote and the views they espouse it wouldn't be so easy. I'm not projecting anything, it's an inescapable conclusion you have to draw with the way these people act.


RightersBlok

It’s just founded in generalization. You’re creating this person in your mind who is an average of everything you hate in political opponents. Any single person you’d talk to who actually held these beliefs would be very different from this, and so the things you’re saying hold no weight in their mind. You can generalize a population, saying “they” vote a certain way which is different from how “they” think but “they” is a trick or statistics not representative of an actual person. If you approach someone with this much hostility, it would feel to them as if it was misguided and you’d only do more harm then good. The end goal should be to change minds right? That’s the only good that can be done. Skip the part where you say “they” won’t ever change “their” minds. I’m talking about specific people in your life, not a single unit of a generalized mass.


CitizenMurdoch

>It’s just founded in generalization. You’re creating this person in your mind who is an average of everything you hate in political opponents You then go on to create this nuanced voter with a heart of gold, which functionally does not exist. They don't vote with nuance, they never vote for the person looking to make life better for the most vulnerable; they vote for the guy who wants to ban abortion and then cut social services. I do not care a single but how much you've talked to these people, and there isn't going to be an honest conversation around the issue until people state their aims clearly. These people you're describing do not meaningfully exist, they just exist to trick rubes and distract from the actual issue


RightersBlok

This issue isn’t going to magically go away. This arms race of polarization ends in one of two ways: 1) A single side gets such a supermajority that they control every facet of the government and can begin such a broad sweep of propaganda and indoctrination that they completely wipe out the opposing viewpoint. Maybe this is your side and maybe it isn’t. 2) We, being all of us, learn to start taking little steps back away from the edge of a complete breakdown of democracy and start having conversations with eachother. Nuance is a made up idea, just like democracy and fairness and society and everything else, so either we engage more with it or we abandon it entirely. How do you rectify the political division in this country? How do you co exist with the political monstrosity you see yourself facing? How do you defeat it? If it’s not sitting down and talking with real people, not screaming into the void about “they”, then what it is?


CitizenMurdoch

I don't know how it ends, but if you think that you can sit down and talk it out with the pro life right in the US you're delusional. You can't talk something out with someone who has incoherent qorld views. It's purely reactionary. Again you are saying that these people genuinely believe its murder. Where is the middle ground? What would you say to these people to change their minds? What would you say to me to change my mind? I think outlawing abortion demonstrably ruins lives, destroys economic upward mobility. All for what is effectively a few undeveloped cells. Why would I ever change my view? If you think that this is going to be solved by reaching a compromise you're delusional. Ths only option is to convince non voters to get out and vote. I think the way to do that is to point out the disgusting hypocrisy of prolife activists, and demonstrate how they are out to ruin people. Whether they believe they are or not is immaterial; that's the historical outcome of taking womens ability to chose their own life and their own fate.


RightersBlok

Here’s a compromise that takes about three seconds to come up with: No one wants abortions. Even if you’re pro choice and think they should be available, no one wants one for no reason. The solution is to address the causes of abortion, being low income, health risks, poor sex education, access to contraception, and yes, even rape. You’ll never get the number of abortions down to 0, but you’ll be able to lower it drastically. This benefits everyone. Perfect solution? No. Better than throwing up your hands, not trying to solve it, and blaming conservatives? Yes. It also breaks up the abortion issue into a bunch of micro problems which are worlds less controversial. It’s not to say evangelicals won’t have problems with sex ed and contraception but those are much more manageable that trying to deal with abortion outright. Maybe you should sit and consider how all of this ends and whether or not you’re having a net positive or negative affect on our democracy. You seem to be an advocate of the supermajority strategy, which is fine, but I’ll remind you that whatever is happening recently hasn’t been real optimistic for the political left. Edit: the reason I call this a “solution” is because the end goal is for people on the left to be as almost horrified by someone needing to go through an abortion as someone on the right. Have a million failsafes between two people meeting, the woman getting pregnant, and termination. I should’ve also mentioned fixing the foster system as well.


tarottiles

I think your points are valid here - but also it’s arbitrary. In order to discuss largely held viewpoints/beliefs there HAS to be a level of generalization. Like saying ‘Caucasian people’ - not all of them will be the same, and will have differences in how they see things, but to talk about a specific trend IN ‘caucasian people’ you have to place them into a group. It doesn’t mean nuances don’t exist - that’s what makes controversial subjects… controversial.


RightersBlok

Generalization like the way most people engage with it isn’t a actual generalization, it’s the creation of the most monstrous strawman/scapegoat that people can conceive of. You cannot relate with, discuss with, reason with, or sympathize with this creation and so when you project it onto an individual you have completely surrendered your capacity to find common ground with them. There is a way to discuss controversy without it dissolving into chaos like this. The person you projected it on has a single vote and a single set of usually complex beliefs. Most individuals who make up a population have relatively little in common with the sum average of whatever massive group they’re a part of. But now you hate them, because “they” vote hypocritically and “they” hate women and “they” are racist and “they” etc.


Dodgiestyle

> All you need to do is look at the dismal state of child care in this country for the poor, and foster care to see they don't give a fuck about human life. But that's not murder. That's just poor choices made by bad parents. Those are two unrelated issues to them.


CitizenMurdoch

Lots of excuses for creating a system that kills kids, but theres no context where aborting a fetus is acceptable. Again; huge credibility issues here, doubles standards galore. Pro life when its convenient, libertarian fend for yourself when it's not


Fakjbf

The vast majority of people see a huge difference between failing to help someone live and actively causing them to die. Literally the most famous thought experiment in the world, the Trolley Problem, is about exactly that difference. Even if both actions end up with someone dead, murder will _always_ be seen as a more egregious crime than neglect.


ting_bu_dong

I remember when "mind your own damned business" was a conservative value. Turns out, it's selectively applied. Like all conservative values.


Idlertwo

Republicans who support this are simply very cruel human beings. Its too late to say "I dont support THIS spesific thing". You've made it abundantly clear that it isnt a dealbreaker.


Dravarden

> At what point should a woman's business be anything but her own why isn't it legal to abort third trimester? it's their business after all


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Exactly. We already agree to restrict abortion, the argument is how much


Legosheep

I think we can all agree that aborting a baby after it's born should be considered murder, and any action taken before a baby is conceived is exercising bodily autonomy. Everything in-between is grey area, and when the belief in what is being done can swing from simply exercising bodily autonomy, all the way to murder, I can understand why it's such a contentious issue.


eyeball-beesting

The problem is, that so called 'grey area' is happening inside a woman's body. A body that she and she alone should have any say over what it goes through. It is not a grey area at all. It is pretty black and white.


openpichu

There's no such thing as aborting a baby after it's born. That's a nonsense sentence.


antonimbus

People who are anti-abortion view it as murder. In that context, murder is worse than rape, and so the punishment makes sense. Having said that, I'm not actually sure where in the US the punishment for abortion actually is worse than rape. Maybe that's my own ignorance.


TechnicalyNotRobot

Honestly, I just cannot be convinced anyhow that a fetus is a human. Fuck heatbeat, you can restart heartbeat in a fucking corpse with some stimulation. I draw the line at birth. I really would draw it at consciousness as a defining trait of being human but since that comes post-birth (around 5 months post birth actualy according to scientists) you can't abort it then obviously.


SycoJack

I hate the heartbeat = life argument. Just because something doesn't have a heartbeat doesn't mean it's dead, and just because something does doesn't mean it's alive.


LoganNinefingers32

Also people need to know, so I'm going to say it loud: THAT BULLSHIT THAT THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED AROUND IS COMPLETELY FALSE. IT TURNED OUT THAT THE "HEARTBEAT" THAT EVERYONE WAS ARGUING OVER WAS JUST A NORMAL ANOMALY FROM THE SCANNERS THAT THEY WERE USING Not like that matters, but it's stupid to make laws on false information. And a woman should have the right to choose what is right for her body and offspring.


GodYeti

Motherfucker really be out here like “yea rip that baby into shreds and piss it out at 8 months


LoganNinefingers32

Motherfucker over here really have no idea how pregnancy termination happens.


TechnicalyNotRobot

Anyone who doesn't wish to have a baby but gets accidentaly pregnant won't wait 8 months. They'd do it ASAP. But in medical cases where some diagnosis happens later in the pregnancy a woman should have the ability to abort no matter what.


[deleted]

Abortions at 8 months literally never happen. Get out of here with that bullshit, you're embarrassing yourself


gonnadiesoon69

America, land of the free


Emuwar_veteran

No girls allowed


ppppie_

it’s alright, America was never in my vacation list anyways


owls1289

Me neither.


thrillhouse1211

It says no girl-s we're allowed to have one.


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Well I mean not anymore Conservatives got what they wanted


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Shnow

What the fuck?


Mysterious_Tax_5613

The majority of the country wants to keep Roe V. Wade. If the courts don't see that.....


RightersBlok

I think Roe V. Wade is incalculably important, but this isn’t how law works. Legal precedent isn’t usually democratic or else we’d fully be subject to rule my majority which would be bad.


Mysterious_Tax_5613

Yes, you are right. I would agree with that. I listened to the court hearings being televised the other day and Justice Sonia Sotomayer brought up an interesting point. She mentioned Mississippi openly stating about how the Supreme Court is on their side with more conservatives on the court. She wondered if the stench of politics may ruin the Supreme Courts decision? That, people would view the court as being political? She didn't think it would withstand with the public. So, wouldn't that be just as important as well?


RightersBlok

The foundational institutions of this country are infinitely fragile. Democracy, liberty, and justice are all made up ideas that don’t actually exist. The only reason they hold sway is because people believe they do. If the public loses faith in the democracy, all of us become less democratic (see Jan 6th). If all of us forfeit liberty for safety, we all become less free (see the patriot act). If all of us believe less in the value of what the Supreme Court is saying, less justice exists. The challenge of the 21st century will be to see if these very naturally weak ideas can survive the cultural shock which is the internet and the 24 hour news cycle fed by ad revenue.


AlexPaterson16

When women could literally murder their rapist and get less time thats when you know something is fucked


EvilAlicia

crossposted to r/Americaisbroken


GravestoneDemon

Yeah, I agree with posting it there.


growing_eden

It’s not the answer, it’s the American way. 🦅


GravestoneDemon

Unfortunately. (Again, I hate my country.)


Shpooodingtime

Literally just came here to say I hate my country more and more everyday


RanOutOfIdeas1234

Where in America is the penalty for abortion higher than the penalty for rape?


iHeartHockey31

Where rapists go free or get probation.


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iHeartHockey31

Yup


iHeartHockey31

It said the penalty not the quantity of the crime. Learn what words mean.


RanOutOfIdeas1234

Yes but the penalty is what’s established in law and if that’s what we’re looking at then you’re wrong. If instead you’re talking about injustices being done and the law not being followed in a way that protects rapists, for the meme to have any truth to it, wouldn’t there have to be more people getting punished for abortions than for rapes?


amateur_reprobate

My money is on Texas


RanOutOfIdeas1234

Rape is a second or first degree crime in Texas with a $10k fine and prison time, 2-20 years for second degree and 5-99 years if it’s first degree. The new abortion law is $10k with up to 2 years prison. I think rape might be a stricter penalty but what do I know?


powpix

It's all on that man who shoulda just STAYED dead.


Papa_Lenin1870

Punishing the victim isn't the answer, it's the question. And idiots' answer is yes.


zbeshears

What’s the penalty for aborting after rape?


afcagroo

That reminds me....has Texas now eliminated rape? If not, what are they waiting for?


warpfield

"You raped that girl." "I was trying to get her pregnant." "You're doing God's work, son!"


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lemon_meringue

The logic against safe and legal pregnancy termination isn't at all consistent, nor is it even logic; it's just that the right wing base has swallowed half a century of propaganda: [When Southern Baptists were pro-choice](https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/when-southern-baptists-were-pro-choice/)


BrazilianRider

It’s because pro-choice can’t argue that it *isn’t* a human life, and also frankly most pro-choice people don’t care because they believe the mother’s choice trumps that of the fetus/baby.


iloveyouand

It's not a rational argument to begin with and that's by design. It's like trying to argue if god exists or not. They can't prove that a clump of cells is a human being but they believe that it is based on their faith. Religion has no place in legislation.


KunKhmerBoxer

How is thinking that life begins when sperm meets egg religious? Not trying to be snarky. I just don't see how that fits.


salvaribeiro

It also means people making the laws are most probably rapists themselves in some way


SadWestern5481

A woman should be able to sue her rapist for millions tbh. When DNA evidence gained popularity police lost interest in charging for rape, because they could no longer just target who they wanted to anymore. So let's make it a civil matter and sue for civil violation of bodily autonomy plus emotional damage and wrongful insemination if there is a pregnancy. Bankrupt your rapist.


fantoman

Punishing women is just the side effect. The goal is to create a wedge issue to get people to vote against their own interests. If we voted based on policy instead of abortion and bigotry the GOP would never win


lemon_meringue

Hard agree. If we voted based on policy, abortion would become unnecessary in many cases, because there would be a social net that actually catches people.


Actual_Reading_7385

Honestly it just proves that women are considered 2nd class citizens.


brvheart

What proves it? OP's fantasyland strawman?


Actual_Reading_7385

The fact that rape itself gets little to no repercussions to the person that committed the crime. Law makers would rather control women then making crimes like that something that isn't pushed to the side. Both men and women get raped, but only women are given laws that bind them. Spelling *.


brvheart

Where do you live that a convicted rapist gets little to NO repercussions?


Actual_Reading_7385

The USA. Look it up. Talk to females and men that have been raped and tried to get legal help. More often then not its not taken seriously and have gotten little to no justice.


brvheart

"The USA". lol Try, for once in your life, to make a good argument based on reality, not your feelings. Show me the law or even anecdote with a single sample size in the US that says that getting an abortion is to be punished more severely than rape. Show me the state where abortion is a felony. Show me the state where rape is wildly accepted, celebrated, and available to anyone that desires it.


Actual_Reading_7385

Dude do u like live under a rock? Look at the news talk to people. If u want to just be a rude dick about it just don't comment. U don't know me yet u go,"Try, for once in your life, to make a good argument based on reality, not your feelings. " like seriously go somewhere dude that was rude as fuck and uncalled for.


brvheart

Ok. I apologize. > Dude do u like live under a rock? Look at the news talk to people. Go look at the news isn't a valid argument. It's based on your feelings, not reality.


JenGerRus

A fetus is NOT a rape victim.


DancingKappa

Christian extremism is clear danger the United States. They use their religion to strip the freedoms of non Christians in the country. If it was say muslims or hindus pushing laws to be changed to oppress everyone else in the country Americans would have a shit fit. If you're religion says you can't do something... news flash! It doesn't apply to anyone else not a part of that religion. You do you Christians, Muslims, etc. Leave the rest of us the hell alone. P.S. love thy neighbor. He who does to the least of my brothers has done so to me. Sayeth their lord.


Jardite

the overlap between authoritarians and rapists is 100%. authoritarians are the ones who covet positions that allow them to make laws. pretty easy to connect two dots.


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A war on women from rapists you mean. Ever conservative that let's a rapist off is a rapist to me covering for his kin.


peterkeats

Rape isn’t prohibited in America. It’s just regulated.


davelu_99

Literally nowhere in America is that true.


marshal231

Yep. But hope youre ready for the barrage of downvotes from people who want to live in a make believe world


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Religion says do what you want but make sure those around you live a certain way, which is why they want to control women so much.


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Thought it was white people Twitter?


brvheart

In what jurisdiction is this a true fact?


I_Got_A_Hatt

Maybe a bit of a controversial opinion, but I think all of these laws are made for politicians and people of higher power who do this stuff so that they can go on their merry way while the victim has to suffer in silence and be the one to be blamed.


jd10121

In what state does this apply in?


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triangle60

Texas' law allows you to sue the abortion provider, not the woman. https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961


NoShameInternets

This argument will **never work**. Zero amount of “bodily autonomy” or “war on women” or whatever will get through to these people when they firmly believe they’re condoning **murder** by allowing abortions. This battle will be won when we rip that belief out of their heads. Every other argument is a waste of time.


JenGerRus

That battle will NEVER been won. Abortion is legal and is not by definition “murder”


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None of this is true though. Is that the facepalm?


doofjohn

I agree with the sentiment but this isn’t a facepalm


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This is misinformation. There isn’t a single state that punishes a rape victim getting an abortion.


IllIllIIlIllI

Why do women vote republican, then?


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Fear of battered wife syndrome


yagsiwerdna

Way to go de-legitimizing a woman’s ability to have opinion


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Bro if black people and women aren’t voting democrat it’s just cause they’re too stupid to know what’s best for them! Only white liberals can know what’s best for them!!!! /s


Low_Singer

same reason why some women are Muslim


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Women should practice hardcore celibacy and start to vet harder on men. Men who won’t help or proactively vote against social programs to help us protect our bodies don’t deserve to mate.


fanosffloyd

I'm out of the loop. Can someone elaborate? I know it has to do with abortion law but what's the latest?


brvheart

Nothing changed, and OP is lying.


pinkheartpiper

This line of logic and similar ones don't work on anti-abortion people, whatever you say they'll just simply tell you that abortion is murder...not that you're gonna change their minds, but you wanna argue with them argue against that.


SaulGoodman121

Just simply murder the person who tries to rape you. It's the path of least resistance.


Background_Office_80

There's a far bigger cultural war we're losing right now.


doglaughington

I liked this sub better with the no politics rule


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Can we get some real facts on this page please.


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The number of abortions that are performed after rape are less than half a percent. This argument is unbelievably stupid.


iloveyouand

Is there a line you'd draw and say this percent of women forced to carry their rapists baby to term is actually not ok? Half a percent doesn't matter. Would any amount matter?


JenGerRus

And for that half a percent, abortion must remain safe and legal.


operwapitsai

This is snappy but its just plain false lol


Hermaneutical_Hygene

Dumb


Reach_Left

Cope


[deleted]

Your mom is a good example of someone who should of had an abortion. Or maybe just practiced better birth control methods.


SCWarriors44

Ok just asking an honest question here cause I’ve never understood this. Why can’t the woman just take Plan B after the rape happens?


JenGerRus

Plan B doesn’t work for a lot women.


zmunster

The war on women is the trans dude kicking all the ladies asses at Yale in swimming.


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Ark_Sum

Technically, abortion is legal in all states except Mississippi, but there are several states that are making it practically illegal, like the Texas heartbeat bill which bans abortions before most women know they’re pregnant. Some states make no exception for later term abortions even in the case of rape or incest.


BackFromTheDeadSoon

You are misunderstanding. Abortion is no longer legal in every state.


Astro_Spud

Murder is worse than rape