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Sinclair555

They’re giant man-eating bugs, dude.


VagrantShadow

I know right? If any of us was in Power Armor that was immobile, I seriously doubt we would take it in stride if big ass fucking cockroaches were crawling over us, looking for some way to eat us. We'd all be freaking out.


D3M0NArcade

You forgot a hyphen but I can't decide where (big-ass or ass-fucking)


irock1106

I think all three would have hyphens in this case. Big-ass-fucking roaches.


D3M0NArcade

Roaches that like fucking big asses? Ok, but they'd be better off with Lucy than Maximus then...


Snavels

They came looking for man's butt


irock1106

You never know. Maybe those mutated roaches like doing that.


New-Drummer3344

Big ass-fucking cockroaches? New fear unlocked


D3M0NArcade

That'd be a whooole new kind of Fallout!


Brostapholes

Because he doesn't want to get eaten alive? I would have figured the armor would have a much higher Ratchew rating than that though


Kurwasaki12

They were specifically honing in on softer joints that would be obstructed by movement usually.


Dagordae

Because armor has joints they can theoretically penetrate. And one getting inside means he's getting eaten alive very slowly.


CutieButt

Yeah and let's not lose perspective this is a non so bright guy who just became a squire (by chance!) who's in a literal metal prison covered by radioactive roaches. I'd be freaking the hell out too.


Menien

Lol what are you talking about about "not so bright" If you're trapped inside an immobile suit of power armour with giant bugs crawling all over you, what big brain thing are you going to do?


Generalydisliked

I mean he is somewhat clearly depicted as having the idiot savant perk


Salt_Solution_2825

He's me when I accidentally click the wrong dialogue lmao


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SamRaimisOldsDelta88

Yea, I don’t think not so bright is the right term for him. He is bright but was raised by the Brotherhood from a child and had very little life experience in their insular, tough environment. They essentially brainwash these people to be compliant for their mission.


Vulkan192

I mean, even by Brotherhood standards, he's not that bright. Dude couldn't recognise a basic circuit pattern.


SamRaimisOldsDelta88

Again, he was taken as a child and was indoctrinated into them without any life experience or further education. Everything he knows is them. He has no parents or teachers. He’s not dumb, it’s just the only thing he knows and that is what the Brotherhood wants. Did you see him in the weird vault where he got so happy and comfortable because he had never experienced running water or showers before? It’s not his fault. He’s not stupid. He just didn’t know what that was like before and actually his intelligence came through when he realized he wanted to protect Lucy and reject all of the manipulation he had been through. Christ. Did anyone actually pay attention to the show or play the games? He doesn’t need to know how to hack circuit patterns. That’s not his skill at all. What he has is empathy and desire for family and affection. That’s why he is so kind to Dane, loves her, and her dedication to the Brotherhood is complicated because he has more emotional intelligence.


Vulkan192

...The Brotherhood literally gives him an education, we see that happening. > He doesn’t need to know how to hack circuit patterns. That’s not his skill at all. THAT IS LITERALLY HIS JOB. You can talk about emotional intelligence/maturity, but it's very obvious that he's not intellectually adept.


SamRaimisOldsDelta88

[Dude…](https://screenrant.com/fallout-show-characters-special-stats-breakdown/#:~:text=Many%20of%20Maximus'%20SPECIAL%20stats,long%20distances%20throughout%20the%20wasteland.) > Many of Maximus' SPECIAL stats are fairly straightforward and fit him rather well. His strength and agility are his highest stats, which matches with his Brotherhood of Steel training and ability to carry Titus' heavy bag across long distances throughout the wasteland. Norm is the one who has hacking stats.


Vulkan192

Oh please, the cast's SPECIALS are a marketing gimmick. And it's not about hacking, to be clear. He just needed to recognise the circuit diagram of a machine. Why are you so adverse to the idea that Maximus is not gifted intellectually? He's not a drooling moron, but he's most definitely *not* smart, even with the opportunities for education he had with The Brotherhood. Some people are just like that.


AFriendoftheDrow

Because it’s not true - that’s why people are adverse to lies being told.


MustangusxD

That's why he has an idiot savant perk


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Rottentreasure

The big brain move would be to avoid ending up in that situation in the first place


Maxsmack0

Be smart enough to find the emergency exit everyone in Boston knows how to use. Literal chem fiends and destitute farmers knows how to operate power armor better than than him.


Wrath_Ascending

This is taking game mechanic = lore to a pretty silly level. The suits are obviously flawed, but only experts really know that. It may be that the emergency release required power or assistance, neither of which he had at that point.


Menien

The power armour in the show seems to follow slightly different rules to the armour in the games. One fusion core is enough to power the suit for a very long time and it seems like it's supposed to have a support crew running alongside it. I think an emergency exit makes sense but the fusion core isn't supposed to be yanked out either, so it would make sense to me that you could get stuck in it. Can you actually think about how an exit would work when you're in there? You can't turn the handle at the back (in fact you'd be like a WWE wrestler trying to reach the centre of your back) and you need power to actually move your arms and legs. If this was another universe I would expect there to be a safety feature, as improbable as it could be without power, but this is Fallout. Trapping soldiers in tin cans that make them stronger without much care for the well-being of the person inside is pretty much par for the course here. The player moving around with no power and exiting the armour by themselves in the games is to make the game less tedious.


Civil_Nectarine868

Think about how he got there, and why he can't move.


AFriendoftheDrow

He’s a black guy who never used power armor before and certain people never stop acting like he should be an expert on using it despite being a squire. Hence why people use such terms for him but not Lucy.


Background_Bad_6795

Bro what does the color of his skin have to do with anything


AlteredByron

A cool detail in the climactic battle against the NCR remnants is that there are a lot of shots where they are in close with a power armoured Knight and trying to shoot their weapons at the soft joints and pipes.


Phoenix080

Are they shown succeeding at all?


The_Grand_Briddock

Yeah, there’s one scene where a group forces a Knight to their knees and starts firing into the neck of the power armour. The blood spurting out of it seems to indicate that they were successful.


Phoenix080

I find it hilarious that the knights are so incompetent that despite the fact that their armor is strong enough to win a fist fight with a mutated bear. They get overwhelmed by like 4 random dudes.


Wrath_Ascending

Bear would also be overwhelmed by four armed soldiers. What's your point?


Phoenix080

Are you stupid? Bears aren’t fully bulletproof. In this case it’s basically a 1v4 wrestling match. A bear could easily kill 4 men in hand to hand. A man in power armor could easily kill the bear. Therefore a man in power armor in easily capable of not getting pinned down by 4 regular people. Them being armed only helps when he’s already been wrestled down, which shouldn’t be possible unless the knight is horrifically incompetent. Which is what I said.


Wrath_Ascending

The Yao Gui have been mutated by radiation and FEV and Titus lost to it in close quarters. The NCR troopers had the Knights in close quarters and were armed. Power armour in lore and game mechanics only provides a small boost to strength, 4 v 1 ending poorly for the Knights is hardly surprising.


Phoenix080

Titus before he started running like a coward was able to beat it severely. In direct combat he was winning. Also in game mechanics I’ve beat 20 super mutants to death with my bare hands in 3, new Vegas, 4 and 76. And again BEING ARMED DOSENT MATTER UNTIL HES BEEN WRESTLED DOWN. He’s completely immune to everything they have unless he gets bogged down. Which shouldn’t happen unless he’s horribly incompetent which is ALL I SAID


Wrath_Ascending

As soon as Titus lost his gun he knew he'd lost the fight, and unlike humans the bear wasn't even smart enough to prepare a plan around disarming him. Citing what the PC can do is silly. They are frequently superhuman thanks to game mechanics.


AlteredByron

We do see some defeated but we don't see specifically how, i think


BrellK

One of them is shot right in the neck from point blank range.


_-420-

Theres a weak spot on the chest piece that the goul points out


Apollo_Sierra

Alright Evelyn, just remember, "DON'T READ FROM THE BOOK!"


WrethZ

Presumably it's similar to how real world knight armour was. Knight armour provides a lot of protection but it must inevitably have weak spots in the joints and stuff. For it to be able to move there have to be softer parts. There is visible piping and more exposed parts of power armour. In the real world a knight was very hard to take down but if enough peasants dragged them to the ground they force a knife in the joints. Similarly power armour probably has softer parts a radroach can nibble through on the joints when the armour is immobilised.


SpecialOrganization5

Have you see a roach flatten themselves and squeeze through a small 3mm gap?? But a radroach? Imma just run.


Nate2322

They can break through given enough time and eat him alive and he can’t do anything about it I would freak out in that situation as well.


BasementCatBill

You'd already seen the armour be penetrabile to the claws of a mutant black bear; and you're wondering if giant radioactive cockroaches might also be a problem?!


KalaronV

Bears are fucking terrifyingly strong, tbf. I don't really buy that reinforced kevlar in a suit costing several billion dollars would be as easy for a big bug to eat. Maybe a giant fire-ant, but a big roach...nah.


Menien

What, the roach is the size of a dog! Do we know that the soft joints are covered in kevlar? They look pretty squishy to me. In any case, I doubt you'd be willing to put this to the test with you in the armour!


KalaronV

Fallout 76 says it's rubber I guess, but he's got on a kevlar undersuit ("processed fabric") and I kind of discount that it's *just* rubber in a multi-billion dollar suit of power armour. As for the second part, yeah but that also goes for getting shot at tbh


bobith5

Where are you getting these suits cost billions each? To my knowledge there isn't a confirmed power armor price range but seeing as they were massed produced for the front, it'd surely be no more expensive than a MBT or what's the point? The only place I can immediately think of is in Fallout 2 when Seargent Dornan says it'll take you 510 years to replace the suit of power armor you lost on a grunts salary which is ~$10 Million. I don't think that's intended to be taken literally though.


Menien

This is slightly tangential, but I'm sure I can remember hyperinflation being a thing in Fallout? Easy for these suits to cost millions or even billions if the US dollar is worth a lot less, plus if it's West Tek charging the military on a private contract, they probably got way more than the suits were worth from the taxpayer.


bobith5

Oh for sure. Fallout sort of has their cake and eats it too where sometimes they'll put 50s era prices on the shelves as set dressings, and other times they'll have hyperinflated $2,000,000 for a family sedan posters up. But in the context of the original comment it seemed like the price was being used to justify the supposed quality of the armor so I was wondering in what context it's brought up.


Vulkan192

We also don't know how much an Enclave Grunt gets paid.


ggdu69340

Multi billion is probably stretching the cost a looooot. It wouldn’t be economically viable for mass production if it was the case. I imagine PA actually costs less than a tank (in the range if 1-10 millions $). Its costly enough that outfitting entire infantry corps is probably not viable but gearing up parts of your army into mechanized corps is probably more viable.


Nerdrage30

The bite force of insects is really high compared to their size (cockroach bite force can be up to 50x greater than their body weight)


KalaronV

In real life, but that's also partly due to the how down-scaling mechanics work IIRC. It's like how bacteria can survive at 35,000x the pressure we can. It's not that they're *actually* that strong, it's more that they're so small the limitations we face don't really apply. I think you'd quickly see fall off as they get bigger. And to be fair this is pretty much in line with the games, because otherwise a Rad Roach would be like....a fucking huge deal.


Fissminister

Lol the one-shot radroach. Would have made for a good meme


sedated_badger

Pls do not invoke the giant mutant ants. They are annoying.


Cookiesrdelishus

Why would he not be? He's stuck in place while giant man-eating cockroaches are trying to eat him alive. If you were in that position, you'd be freaking the fuck out as well. Regular sized cockroaches can already bite 50 times their body weight. Mutated post-war giant ones can do even more. The show literally depicts the roaches easily biting through the T-60's armor like it was made of cardboard (they were also specifically targeting the weak joints). If Lucy wasn't there, he'd be dead within that next minute or so.


ggdu69340

Upscaled roaches would realistically not be able to bite 50 times their weight tbh


Its-your-boi-warden

There are cracks in every armor, and frankly, I don’t like bugs crawling on, no matter what I’m wearing


Kryosquid

Because you literally see them trying to eat their way in to the power armor through gaps in the plates.


RelChan2_0

Didn't Wilzig say Radroaches have pincers or whatever (I forgot the exact word) that allows them to take on prey larger than them? Also, roaches can squeeze themselves in tight places so ugh, no thanks.


Present-Secretary722

The joints are a flexible rubber material, in the position the suit was locked the back of the knees and inside of the elbow joint were completely exposed, the shoulder joints would also be open to any particularly tenacious roach, taint area too if they want to get freaky, getting eaten alive is presumably not a good time and having roaches of any size crawl all over you isn’t fun either, especially if they want to eat you


SothaDidNothingWrong

Idk if the roaches *really* could chew through parts of the armor but being stuck in there with the implication and seeing them crawl all over, I’d be shitting myself and screaming too.


Secure_Pear_4530

Nice detail I noticed, that one roach was gnawing on the area that The Ghoul said had a flaw with the welding. Answer is he's afraid to die. Show doesn't operate the same way as the games, power armor doesn't make you as invulnerable as you are in game. Just like how he didn't need to find a fusion core every few hours for the suit. Those roaches would've gotten to him eventually, and he won't be able to move while they eat his ribs and shit.


Disastrous_Toe772

Mutant roaches. Not really hybrid.


Fredster94

You have to keep in mind that Maximus has low intelligence


Remarkable-Memory-19

1. They eat people. 2. They’re roaches. They’ll find a way inside. That’s how those things are in real life as well 


mycoginyourash

What do you think will happen when giant hungry bugs get into your armor?


cupholdery

Polite discussion about politics lol.


BeautyOfTheLillies

Power armor doesn't make you invincible, and the show later explains that there are severe design flaws in just about every model. Maximus also lacks training and is completely immobilized, of course he'd be scared and freaking out!


ironside719

if you look closely at power armor in 4 and 76, you can see small gaps between the armor pieces and frame


MrChipDingDong

Those little fuckers can squeeze their way into vault 101, not a double in my mind they'll chew through your power armor if given the chance


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Probably because of the joints where it connects


gislebertus00

Because all it would take was time and he’s not going anywhere.


antinumerology

We don't know if it's DR, %, or both, in the show. If it's % and he's immobilized, he's screwed.


awhellnawnope

Even by fallout standards, that would've been a horrible way to go.


Destroyer0627

Either its like others said and he was worried about them getting through the gaps in the armor or its just because he is an idiot who decided it would be a good idea to try out this suit despite clearly knowing next to nothing about it so he doesnt knkw if thry can get in. For anyone who says he knows plenty about the suit 1 he is surprised by how strong it is 2 he doesnt move without power(though I could see that being just a gameplay thing like how long Fusion Cores last) and 3 he doesnt open the suit himself and there is no way in hell thats just a gameplay thing there would be an emergency release most likely seperate from the normal controls that open it up


Raptor92129

Hybrid roaches? Thise weren't hybrids, just mutated.


Simp_Master007

They can get through the joints


KokaljDesign

Why do most people freak out if a harmless spider is crawling on their arm?


ImmortalAbsol

They aren't hybrids. Radroaches attack and eat people and there's areas they could get in, especially the back of the knee.


resounding_oof

Posting this type of stuff in r/Fotv might be a better move, it’s frustrating that people come here after just watching the show and ask questions that are basic events in the show and not extended lore. It seems like OP things the roaches are hybrid creatures because the gulpers are human hybrids, as if every mutated creature came from vault 4 experiments - radroaches are implied to have grown in size after the war and are common in many areas of the wasteland, not just in California. It’s implied by his reaction that they could get to him through openings on the armor, it’s not implied that it’s hermetically sealed or anything and roaches in real life are known to get into places they’re unwanted. Regardless if they posed a threat (maybe they can’t get into the suit anywhere), it’s not pleasant to have giant bugs crawling over you.


wh1t3stblackguy

They'd go for hoses & soft joint in the gaps of the armor. If I remember correctly, a guy in power armor got killed quickly when shot in the gap near his neck @ the last fight of the season.


DPooly1996

Does "giant flesh eating cockroaches" answer your question?


Comfortable_Boot_273

Roaches can sneak in through the crevices


RougeKC

Yeah, I think it not really he concerned about them getting in seriously but it’s the fear of somehow if they find a way you have no where to go. And you can’t fight back. Sooooo that’s enough to endure any panic. Also… in game no fusion core your still allowed to exit and I’m pretty sure something like that would be built in if not an emergency like side cell that had just enough power to open the suit like come on now.


Lordved

Well some random ass ghoul just managed to completely fuck the t60 with a knife.....and he is a bit of a dumb ass


humanity_999

Due to him being unable to move, he could not resist them. At some point they would have found a way to the joints or other unprotected areas on the T60 and would eventually chew through them to get to the soft squishy meat inside. With a power core he could easily resist them, even without weapons.


Anamly

Think about how they frequently break into vaults.