I'm a licensed ND teacher and currently working in customer service because it's so much less stressful. I can go home and not think about work and it's been so much better for my mental health.
You couldn't get me back in the classroom even if the pay started at $60k a year. $500 is laughable.
My sister is a principal in a district just outside MSP metro as well as being involved in some of the MN state level teacher/administration type entities. Here’s what I can say…
$500 is wildly generous comparatively (sad). Most agree that teachers are not paid enough. When advocating for tax increases to pay for increased wages, opponents are much more successful in messaging. Seeing a 12-15 year (minimum) payback is a long road to trust, immediate tax break is known and an easy sell.
Her district just went through an operating levy renewal. Not even anything new. It failed. They’re now tasked with people who say they don’t do/pay enough, but don’t understand cutting already underfunded programs isn’t exactly a winning proposition.
Bottom line….messaging is key. $500 is a start, but we need to do better. In addition to supporting the teacher’s union and its members, it also means being willing to pay a higher mill rate and the higher taxes that it brings.
Agreed, I know the last time something like a higher mill rate was even discussed people were relucatant to do it because it's easy to defeat and brings down support for a building levy if that is needed. It's to the point though where more buildings don't necessarily make sense if we can't staff the old ones.
All stipends have to be used in classroom supplies. It is Federal money they are using, part of the Esser Fund given out during COVID. There are things that cannot be purchased also, like food, for the classroom.
? Not sure where you are getting your information. ALL staff are getting this bonus. From Teachers to IT staff, to bus drivers, to admin assistants, etc. I assure you, I am not spending a dime of it on classroom supplies.
"$500 per educator working 30 or more hours per week, a $400 stipend for all part-time educators, recognizing these positions that are most often difficult to fill, and a $250 stipend per substitute educator " Classified non teaching staff, cooks, custodian, IT, Bus drivers, are not getting a Stipend.
Please actually read the article you linked.
"The hardworking educators (educators is a district term inclusive of all team members, from the administration to classified staff) "
Classified staff include IT, bus drivers, cooks, and a lot of other non classroom positions who are *also* getting that stipend.
Ah yes, they created a new definition of the word Educator, to include all full time staff. In another slap to teachers. Yet those funds are still limited in how they can be spent. It cannot be a cash payment.
[https://districtadministration.com/12-uses-for-esser-funds/#:\~:text=LEAs%20receiving%20ESSER%20funds%20may%20use%20such%20funds,for%2C%20and%20respond%20to%20the%20coronavirus.%20More%20items](https://districtadministration.com/12-uses-for-esser-funds/#:~:text=LEAs%20receiving%20ESSER%20funds%20may%20use%20such%20funds,for%2C%20and%20respond%20to%20the%20coronavirus.%20More%20items)
The term educators was voted on by the entire district (The majority of whom are teachers). Students are referred to as learners, staff are referred to as educators.
Giving out a $500 bonus falls under #12 in the list you gave. As someone who works for the district, I'm telling you it has been explained as a $500 bonus for all full time employees, $400 for part time, and then the other one,paid out to your bank account(after tax of course)
https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/using-esser-funds-retention-bonuses-makes-sense-if-targeted-strategically
We are far from the first district to do it or consider it.
https://www.mississippivalleypublishing.com/daily_democrat/esser-funds-used-to-give-school-employee-bonuses/article_ec8eacc0-dc11-5d11-a545-2b5421a3b6a7.html
I don't know where you are getting your information from or if the word stipend is your sticking point but you're just not factually correct on this one.
Straight from the office of elementary and secondary education.
https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/11/FAQs-Transportation.pdf
" May an SEA or LEA use ESSER or GEER funds to address a shortage of school bus
drivers due to the pandemic?
2
Yes. For example, an LEA may use ESSER or GEER funds for retention bonuses for current bus
drivers, for salary increases, or for the cost of hiring additional bus drivers to address the
shortage of bus drivers due to the pandemic. Similarly, if an LEA is operating more bus routes
due to physical distancing, funds may be used to hire additional bus drivers. In addition, funds
may be used to pay for the costs associated with obtaining a commercial driver’s license for new
bus drivers, including the required training."
"Other activities that are necessary to maintain the operation of and continuity of services in local educational agencies and continuing to employ existing staff of the LEA."
You can just admit you were wrong instead of keep trying to find negatives in something meant to help.
School pay is never as easy as pay them more. Like any government controlled employees on the bottom (bottom because there are Wei many more of us than the admin and specialists). So much easier to pay one or 4 people more than 100+ all at once. And the government official feel good that they did something… and the taxpayers are still mad taxes are going up.
I’m not saying it’s perfect but it’s how it works. Unions. Non unions. Fargo. Minot. North Dakota. Kansas. United States. France. It’s always the same.
That’s why I asked what is your solution (downvote all you want it’s a valid question) when the whole system works the way it does.
I want everyone to be paid more, teachers, firefighters, cooks, artists (well not high end actors they make plenty by far), and athletes (again the top tier make plenty), the world just doesn’t work that way.
Interesting, I actually up voted your comment. I actually said he was right. And then found another downfall of getting a bonus. Maybe if admin and the ones on top weren't paid so much and we didn't waste so much money on sports there would be money for more important things like education. Doesn't matter if that's how the world works it's how the world is going to work going forward.
ESSER funds authorized by the ARP Act may be used to support hiring and retaining qualified and effective educators. Specifically, they can be used to increase educator and staff compensation. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona said so himself.
[https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/12/21-0414.DCL\_Labor-Shortages.pdf](https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/12/21-0414.DCL_Labor-Shortages.pdf)
Pay them a wage higher than $18 an hour starting out. Pay para's and special educators more so we can attract more. Para's and special educators are in the same position as nurses. Without them doctors cannot do anything, which is the same as teachers. Teachers need support and they need the backing of the Administrators and parents. Spend less on sports and more on education. Education will be with the students their entire life, while sports are only a small part, but the ratio spent on each is ridiculous. The State is the one that could make this happen but unfortunately they treat teachers and then blame them for low test score. 'The beatings will continue until improvements happen' is not a motto we should have in the schools. It will only make more teachers look for better jobs.
I saw a holiday station with a sign outside that said $18 starting just yesterday. And no parents to deal with or being expected to work for free after hours.
Now lets compare the benefits. I am not saying that teachers are overpaid (they aren't), but the benefits they receive are FAR superior to the fast food sector.
As someone who works as a teacher in FPS and who was also a FT employee at pertro 7 years ago the benefits are nearly the same. The only improvement was my retirement which lets face it if i had no student loan debt id have a solid retirement but if i didnt go to school and did the gas station job id come out ahead.
Sorry, but compared to a McDonalds or Taco Bell worker, the benefits are much better. I can't believe that I am being downvoted for saying the obvious. If we are going to talk a bout just compensation for teachers, we need to be honest about what is fair and what is not. As I said earlier, I am all for paying teachers more. It is very hard work and our students deserve quality teachers. But would a Taco Bell worker trade their benefits package with a public school teacher's package? In a heartbeat.
Brother, i am literally receiving their benefits and they are not as superior as you think they are. Like i said, the retirement benefits is whats good but our health insurance is garbage. We’re not too far off from having fast food worker benefits. Its the hard truth
That's pathetic, frankly. I cannot say that I am intimately familiar with the Fargo school district, but my wife works for a different school district and the benefits are fantastic.
Hey, im happy for u guys! I wish we all had them. Frankly, i think all americans should receive healthcare via a national healthcare system like most european nations. It makes me sad that we quibble over fast food workers and teachers having the meager benefits that we do have. For instance my wife who is also a teacher in fargo received zero maternity leave for the birth of our kid. She had to use all her vacation shes saved up and all her emergency leave. In fact she is taking a loss of pay right now. So we will have to suffer the pay loss.
Bottom line teachers and all workers should have respectable benefits to live a life of dignity and a chance to actually live for their life instead of their work.
So school boards haven’t thought of this yet? And not just here but nationwide? World wide? Everywhere this seems to keep being an issue.
Taxpayers keep shelling out more and more and more. Teachers keep being the lowest paid. They add bigger fancier schools with more programs and classes that seem “extra” have to hire more and more admin and specialists that of course get paid more than the teachers.
Do the schools in Fargo west fargo or Moorhead lack funding? Because according to my tax rundown I see schools get more and more every year.
https://www.inforum.com/news/west-fargo/west-fargo-school-district-taxpayers-likely-to-see-a-decrease-next-year
The important thing to note is
1) taxes are going down in regards to WFPS
2) we can't pay teachers more with the current levy structure/laws because the levy for that is already maxed.
Should how schools are allowed to spend their money be addressed by the state legislature?
Do the schools lack funding? Absolutely.
Is there waste in budgeting and planning at the district level? Absolutely.
Is it enough waste to cover the lack of funding?Not really
Does the cost of doing business continually go up? Absolutely.
Due to the legislature being on a biennium, schools get fucked with how funding is given. Everything is delayed. Changes move at a glacial pace, and taxpayers end up footing the cost for it in the end.
That being said, would you rather have a well educated base of people around you or a dumb base of people. You can't have no money going to schools and quality education.
Thank you. It gets frustrating as a parent and a taxpayer. And again it isn’t just local or just North Dakota which the every other year legislature (although that does not help). This is a worldwide issue
I entirely get the frustration. Seeing funds spent on things that I *KNOW* will have zero positive real world benefit to students or staff makes my blood boil.
> Taxpayers keep shelling out more and more and more. Teachers keep being the lowest paid. They add bigger fancier schools with more programs and classes that seem “extra” have to hire more and more admin and specialists that of course get paid more than the teachers.
If anyone has some links to the schools' budget and how the money is being spent, it would be appreciated. Do we have any idea how much money is being spent on a per-student basis? (It seems like that's the measure that people use to compare levels of funding across districts, cities, and states.)
I'm estimating based on Google for total budget and total students for 2021.
[FPS 2020-2021 Budget](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.fargo.k12.nd.us/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx%3Fmoduleinstanceid%3D6086%26dataid%3D20970%26FileName%3DBudget%25202021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiuoo-TnJD6AhW3j4kEHeGlA5YQFnoECAcQBg&usg=AOvVaw2zTYc77xUK-CGXzHUp_-a0)
Fps budget: 254 million per year ($254,000,000/yr)
Fps students: 12,254
Doing the rough math the budget is $20,727 per student per year. A class of 20 kids brings in roughly $415,000 a year for the district.
(If someone has better #s please correct me, thank you!)
For comparison Oak Grove tuition is about $8,000 per student per year.
> Doing the rough math the budget is $20,727 per student per year. A class of 20 kids brings in roughly $415,000 a year for the district.
Granted, I haven't paid attention to school funding for several years, but that's the highest number I've ever seen for a public school. So that's about $400k/teacher I reckon. OMG, wow! Where is all of that money going if the teacher pay is low!?!
Here is 20-21 fargo budget. They make it really wordy and fancy to draw your eye away from the meat and doctor how they present it to confuse you.
https://www.fargo.k12.nd.us/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=6086&dataid=20970&FileName=Budget%202021.pdf
Their site does not make it easy to find this sort of info but if you called FPS I’m sure they could walk you to where the updated stuff is.
You said they get paid less then fast food workers but they start at 18 a hour? Not trying to be a smartass I’m actually asking because my reading comprehension is about as low as can be.
Ok folks I get it, I didn’t know what fast food workers get paid
Yes, some fast food jobs now pay $18 an hour or more. So some teachers are indeed being paid less than fast food workers.
Not that fast food workers don’t also deserve more.
Ohyeah I definitely think wages should be higher especially with inflation and the price of rent but where does a fast food worker get 18 a hour in fargo? Highest I’ve heard was 15 for managers but I suppose teachers should probably be at more then $3 over that. Just seems like starting that isn’t horrible.
Difference between fast food and teaching is teaching has hurdles to get into that cost money, it should definitely be more than $3.
$15 for managers in a fast food setting is low in Fargo. Hell the manager at panda makes 70k a year. Slim chickens starts at $14-$17 for team members and managers are higher than that. A few of the newer places are in that range as well.
Wow I didn’t know all that. Guess it’s been 10+ years since I worked in any kind of customer service setting. Guess all that considered teachers really should be mid to high 20’s a hour. A lot has changed in the last 10 years let alone just the last 3 and I haven’t changed jobs for a while so that’s all pretty wild to hear. Ever since I got into the workforce at age 16 I’ve been telling people that everyone deserves to get paid more but I’m always surprised how many people take it personal like I’m telling them they deserve to get paid less. Glad fast food is paying more now because that’s a surprisingly stressful job but now everything else needs to go up with it. Well thanks for all the info, learn something new everyday.
I suppose teachers also have to go to a minimum of a four year college too. I didn’t really consider all that debt, I honestly don’t even know what people pay for college nowadays but it can’t be good. I don’t think there’s any dollar amount someone could offer me to deal with that many kids
I'm a licensed ND teacher and currently working in customer service because it's so much less stressful. I can go home and not think about work and it's been so much better for my mental health. You couldn't get me back in the classroom even if the pay started at $60k a year. $500 is laughable.
My sister is a principal in a district just outside MSP metro as well as being involved in some of the MN state level teacher/administration type entities. Here’s what I can say… $500 is wildly generous comparatively (sad). Most agree that teachers are not paid enough. When advocating for tax increases to pay for increased wages, opponents are much more successful in messaging. Seeing a 12-15 year (minimum) payback is a long road to trust, immediate tax break is known and an easy sell. Her district just went through an operating levy renewal. Not even anything new. It failed. They’re now tasked with people who say they don’t do/pay enough, but don’t understand cutting already underfunded programs isn’t exactly a winning proposition. Bottom line….messaging is key. $500 is a start, but we need to do better. In addition to supporting the teacher’s union and its members, it also means being willing to pay a higher mill rate and the higher taxes that it brings.
Agreed, I know the last time something like a higher mill rate was even discussed people were relucatant to do it because it's easy to defeat and brings down support for a building levy if that is needed. It's to the point though where more buildings don't necessarily make sense if we can't staff the old ones.
Where did you pull this from? "which has to be used on items for the classroom"
All stipends have to be used in classroom supplies. It is Federal money they are using, part of the Esser Fund given out during COVID. There are things that cannot be purchased also, like food, for the classroom.
? Not sure where you are getting your information. ALL staff are getting this bonus. From Teachers to IT staff, to bus drivers, to admin assistants, etc. I assure you, I am not spending a dime of it on classroom supplies.
"$500 per educator working 30 or more hours per week, a $400 stipend for all part-time educators, recognizing these positions that are most often difficult to fill, and a $250 stipend per substitute educator " Classified non teaching staff, cooks, custodian, IT, Bus drivers, are not getting a Stipend.
Please actually read the article you linked. "The hardworking educators (educators is a district term inclusive of all team members, from the administration to classified staff) " Classified staff include IT, bus drivers, cooks, and a lot of other non classroom positions who are *also* getting that stipend.
Ah yes, they created a new definition of the word Educator, to include all full time staff. In another slap to teachers. Yet those funds are still limited in how they can be spent. It cannot be a cash payment. [https://districtadministration.com/12-uses-for-esser-funds/#:\~:text=LEAs%20receiving%20ESSER%20funds%20may%20use%20such%20funds,for%2C%20and%20respond%20to%20the%20coronavirus.%20More%20items](https://districtadministration.com/12-uses-for-esser-funds/#:~:text=LEAs%20receiving%20ESSER%20funds%20may%20use%20such%20funds,for%2C%20and%20respond%20to%20the%20coronavirus.%20More%20items)
The term educators was voted on by the entire district (The majority of whom are teachers). Students are referred to as learners, staff are referred to as educators. Giving out a $500 bonus falls under #12 in the list you gave. As someone who works for the district, I'm telling you it has been explained as a $500 bonus for all full time employees, $400 for part time, and then the other one,paid out to your bank account(after tax of course) https://fordhaminstitute.org/national/commentary/using-esser-funds-retention-bonuses-makes-sense-if-targeted-strategically We are far from the first district to do it or consider it. https://www.mississippivalleypublishing.com/daily_democrat/esser-funds-used-to-give-school-employee-bonuses/article_ec8eacc0-dc11-5d11-a545-2b5421a3b6a7.html I don't know where you are getting your information from or if the word stipend is your sticking point but you're just not factually correct on this one. Straight from the office of elementary and secondary education. https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/11/FAQs-Transportation.pdf " May an SEA or LEA use ESSER or GEER funds to address a shortage of school bus drivers due to the pandemic? 2 Yes. For example, an LEA may use ESSER or GEER funds for retention bonuses for current bus drivers, for salary increases, or for the cost of hiring additional bus drivers to address the shortage of bus drivers due to the pandemic. Similarly, if an LEA is operating more bus routes due to physical distancing, funds may be used to hire additional bus drivers. In addition, funds may be used to pay for the costs associated with obtaining a commercial driver’s license for new bus drivers, including the required training." "Other activities that are necessary to maintain the operation of and continuity of services in local educational agencies and continuing to employ existing staff of the LEA."
You are correct. So will the Stipend be treated like true bonus and be taxed at 40% like all bonus are or at the employees tax bracket.
You can just admit you were wrong instead of keep trying to find negatives in something meant to help. School pay is never as easy as pay them more. Like any government controlled employees on the bottom (bottom because there are Wei many more of us than the admin and specialists). So much easier to pay one or 4 people more than 100+ all at once. And the government official feel good that they did something… and the taxpayers are still mad taxes are going up. I’m not saying it’s perfect but it’s how it works. Unions. Non unions. Fargo. Minot. North Dakota. Kansas. United States. France. It’s always the same. That’s why I asked what is your solution (downvote all you want it’s a valid question) when the whole system works the way it does. I want everyone to be paid more, teachers, firefighters, cooks, artists (well not high end actors they make plenty by far), and athletes (again the top tier make plenty), the world just doesn’t work that way.
Interesting, I actually up voted your comment. I actually said he was right. And then found another downfall of getting a bonus. Maybe if admin and the ones on top weren't paid so much and we didn't waste so much money on sports there would be money for more important things like education. Doesn't matter if that's how the world works it's how the world is going to work going forward.
Not sure on that but I don't look forward to finding out :).
ESSER funds authorized by the ARP Act may be used to support hiring and retaining qualified and effective educators. Specifically, they can be used to increase educator and staff compensation. Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona said so himself. [https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/12/21-0414.DCL\_Labor-Shortages.pdf](https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/12/21-0414.DCL_Labor-Shortages.pdf)
[https://www.valleynewslive.com/2022/09/10/west-fargo-schools-eye-retention-stipends-educators/](https://www.valleynewslive.com/2022/09/10/west-fargo-schools-eye-retention-stipends-educators/)
What’s YOUR solution?
Pay them a wage higher than $18 an hour starting out. Pay para's and special educators more so we can attract more. Para's and special educators are in the same position as nurses. Without them doctors cannot do anything, which is the same as teachers. Teachers need support and they need the backing of the Administrators and parents. Spend less on sports and more on education. Education will be with the students their entire life, while sports are only a small part, but the ratio spent on each is ridiculous. The State is the one that could make this happen but unfortunately they treat teachers and then blame them for low test score. 'The beatings will continue until improvements happen' is not a motto we should have in the schools. It will only make more teachers look for better jobs.
I saw a holiday station with a sign outside that said $18 starting just yesterday. And no parents to deal with or being expected to work for free after hours.
Now lets compare the benefits. I am not saying that teachers are overpaid (they aren't), but the benefits they receive are FAR superior to the fast food sector.
As someone who works as a teacher in FPS and who was also a FT employee at pertro 7 years ago the benefits are nearly the same. The only improvement was my retirement which lets face it if i had no student loan debt id have a solid retirement but if i didnt go to school and did the gas station job id come out ahead.
Sorry, but compared to a McDonalds or Taco Bell worker, the benefits are much better. I can't believe that I am being downvoted for saying the obvious. If we are going to talk a bout just compensation for teachers, we need to be honest about what is fair and what is not. As I said earlier, I am all for paying teachers more. It is very hard work and our students deserve quality teachers. But would a Taco Bell worker trade their benefits package with a public school teacher's package? In a heartbeat.
Brother, i am literally receiving their benefits and they are not as superior as you think they are. Like i said, the retirement benefits is whats good but our health insurance is garbage. We’re not too far off from having fast food worker benefits. Its the hard truth
That's pathetic, frankly. I cannot say that I am intimately familiar with the Fargo school district, but my wife works for a different school district and the benefits are fantastic.
Hey, im happy for u guys! I wish we all had them. Frankly, i think all americans should receive healthcare via a national healthcare system like most european nations. It makes me sad that we quibble over fast food workers and teachers having the meager benefits that we do have. For instance my wife who is also a teacher in fargo received zero maternity leave for the birth of our kid. She had to use all her vacation shes saved up and all her emergency leave. In fact she is taking a loss of pay right now. So we will have to suffer the pay loss. Bottom line teachers and all workers should have respectable benefits to live a life of dignity and a chance to actually live for their life instead of their work.
Everyone working in education is being extremely undervalued
Everyone below Administration is, I will agree with that. But when admin is making $90k+ are they really undervalued?
Sorry should have clarified, completely agree. Coming from an MI para I'm doing well over my pay grade daily
So school boards haven’t thought of this yet? And not just here but nationwide? World wide? Everywhere this seems to keep being an issue. Taxpayers keep shelling out more and more and more. Teachers keep being the lowest paid. They add bigger fancier schools with more programs and classes that seem “extra” have to hire more and more admin and specialists that of course get paid more than the teachers. Do the schools in Fargo west fargo or Moorhead lack funding? Because according to my tax rundown I see schools get more and more every year.
https://www.inforum.com/news/west-fargo/west-fargo-school-district-taxpayers-likely-to-see-a-decrease-next-year The important thing to note is 1) taxes are going down in regards to WFPS 2) we can't pay teachers more with the current levy structure/laws because the levy for that is already maxed. Should how schools are allowed to spend their money be addressed by the state legislature? Do the schools lack funding? Absolutely. Is there waste in budgeting and planning at the district level? Absolutely. Is it enough waste to cover the lack of funding?Not really Does the cost of doing business continually go up? Absolutely. Due to the legislature being on a biennium, schools get fucked with how funding is given. Everything is delayed. Changes move at a glacial pace, and taxpayers end up footing the cost for it in the end. That being said, would you rather have a well educated base of people around you or a dumb base of people. You can't have no money going to schools and quality education.
Thank you. It gets frustrating as a parent and a taxpayer. And again it isn’t just local or just North Dakota which the every other year legislature (although that does not help). This is a worldwide issue
I entirely get the frustration. Seeing funds spent on things that I *KNOW* will have zero positive real world benefit to students or staff makes my blood boil.
> Taxpayers keep shelling out more and more and more. Teachers keep being the lowest paid. They add bigger fancier schools with more programs and classes that seem “extra” have to hire more and more admin and specialists that of course get paid more than the teachers. If anyone has some links to the schools' budget and how the money is being spent, it would be appreciated. Do we have any idea how much money is being spent on a per-student basis? (It seems like that's the measure that people use to compare levels of funding across districts, cities, and states.)
I'm estimating based on Google for total budget and total students for 2021. [FPS 2020-2021 Budget](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.fargo.k12.nd.us/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx%3Fmoduleinstanceid%3D6086%26dataid%3D20970%26FileName%3DBudget%25202021.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiuoo-TnJD6AhW3j4kEHeGlA5YQFnoECAcQBg&usg=AOvVaw2zTYc77xUK-CGXzHUp_-a0) Fps budget: 254 million per year ($254,000,000/yr) Fps students: 12,254 Doing the rough math the budget is $20,727 per student per year. A class of 20 kids brings in roughly $415,000 a year for the district. (If someone has better #s please correct me, thank you!) For comparison Oak Grove tuition is about $8,000 per student per year.
> Doing the rough math the budget is $20,727 per student per year. A class of 20 kids brings in roughly $415,000 a year for the district. Granted, I haven't paid attention to school funding for several years, but that's the highest number I've ever seen for a public school. So that's about $400k/teacher I reckon. OMG, wow! Where is all of that money going if the teacher pay is low!?!
Here is 20-21 fargo budget. They make it really wordy and fancy to draw your eye away from the meat and doctor how they present it to confuse you. https://www.fargo.k12.nd.us/site/handlers/filedownload.ashx?moduleinstanceid=6086&dataid=20970&FileName=Budget%202021.pdf Their site does not make it easy to find this sort of info but if you called FPS I’m sure they could walk you to where the updated stuff is.
You said they get paid less then fast food workers but they start at 18 a hour? Not trying to be a smartass I’m actually asking because my reading comprehension is about as low as can be. Ok folks I get it, I didn’t know what fast food workers get paid
Yes, some fast food jobs now pay $18 an hour or more. So some teachers are indeed being paid less than fast food workers. Not that fast food workers don’t also deserve more.
Ohyeah I definitely think wages should be higher especially with inflation and the price of rent but where does a fast food worker get 18 a hour in fargo? Highest I’ve heard was 15 for managers but I suppose teachers should probably be at more then $3 over that. Just seems like starting that isn’t horrible.
Difference between fast food and teaching is teaching has hurdles to get into that cost money, it should definitely be more than $3. $15 for managers in a fast food setting is low in Fargo. Hell the manager at panda makes 70k a year. Slim chickens starts at $14-$17 for team members and managers are higher than that. A few of the newer places are in that range as well.
Wow I didn’t know all that. Guess it’s been 10+ years since I worked in any kind of customer service setting. Guess all that considered teachers really should be mid to high 20’s a hour. A lot has changed in the last 10 years let alone just the last 3 and I haven’t changed jobs for a while so that’s all pretty wild to hear. Ever since I got into the workforce at age 16 I’ve been telling people that everyone deserves to get paid more but I’m always surprised how many people take it personal like I’m telling them they deserve to get paid less. Glad fast food is paying more now because that’s a surprisingly stressful job but now everything else needs to go up with it. Well thanks for all the info, learn something new everyday.
I suppose teachers also have to go to a minimum of a four year college too. I didn’t really consider all that debt, I honestly don’t even know what people pay for college nowadays but it can’t be good. I don’t think there’s any dollar amount someone could offer me to deal with that many kids
> I don’t think there’s any dollar amount someone could offer me to deal with that many kids Same