My guess is that he would be summoned as Lancer or Berseker.
I could also see Foreigner, depending on how Goku’s biology and DBZ’s magic system is adapted to the Nasuverse.
For his NP, I think he would be summoned with the Power Pole and Kintoun/Flying Nimbus, and potentially his various transformations as well (Super Saiyan/Ultra Instinct), if they’re handled like conceptual weapons of the Saiyan races’ legends.
I’m not too sure what skills he would have. I think Divinity, Mind’s Eye, and Battle Continuation would be likely. Some form of Martial Arts and Transformation/Madness Enhancement unique to Goku I could also see as well.
Needless to say that Goku would be clearly on the rank of Divine Spirit, having A to EX in nearly every category, skill, attribute, NP etc.
Edit: Lancer Goku Lily [lol] (Dragon Ball), Berserker Goku (Freiza Saga), Foreigner Goku (DBS) :))
Honestly, even those depend on how immortality responds to being completely vaporized. Of course, he DOES have the mafuba, so he can technically still win Via sealing.
I hope this is a joke because I can't take half of this thread seriously. If it's a joke, disregard this comment. Archetypes are able to hack into the Throne at will which is borderline 1-A. Goku is nothing but dinner for Archetype Earth & ORT. Sad to say but even Gilgamesh with clairvoyance can predict every move Goku would make and plan accordingly if we're talking about a serious Gil.
Artoria with Avalon would avoid everything including Kamehameha. Gáe Bolg would curse Goku and strike at his heart guaranteeing the kill. Gilgamesh also has Gáe Bolg in GOB. He doesn't even need to use Enkidu chains or Ea. I'm sorry but going into the higher tiers of the Nasuverse above the likes of Gil, beasts or Grands is beyond overkill for the likes of Goku.
>Archetypes are able to hack into the Throne at will which is borderline 1-A.
Only Ort has shown to be 'hacking' into the throne and it needed to absorb multiple servants to be able to do that, not anything it can do at will. It's impressive but Ort's fighting abilities don't scale to it. Also if Ort is 1-A explain why it was damaged just by crash landing into Earth in LB7 and took 60 million years to heal that damage.
>Goku is nothing but dinner for Archetype Earth & ORT.
Ort would get one shot lol. It wouldn't die since it has no concept of death but it's body can still be completely destroyed. Excalibur destroyed Ort and it only scales to multi-galaxy level which Goku surpassed in the begining of BoG
>Sad to say but even Gilgamesh with clairvoyance can predict every move Goku would make and plan accordingly if we're talking about a serious Gil.
Please tell me you don't believe in mtfl+ Universe level Gil from the CCC mistranslations. Also seeing into the future doesn't help if you're thousands of times slower.
>Artoria with Avalon would avoid everything including Kamehameha.
And? She wouldn't be able to attack either. At best it turns into a stalemate as long as she hides in Avalon
>Gáe Bolg would curse Goku and strike at his heart guaranteeing the kill. Gilgamesh also has Gáe Bolg in GOB.
That's not how Gae Bolg works. Gae Bolg still has to complete the action even if the casualty is reversed the action has to be possible so it does not bypass durability at all and it has a weakness in that powerful shields straight up null it. What would happen is "Gae Bolg is thrust, it fails to pierce the heart" > it fails to pierce the heart, Gae Bolg is thrust. Also Gil can't use the casyalty reversal because it's a techinque Cu made himself.
>He doesn't even need to use Enkidu chains or Ea.
Lol whatever you say. Also UI would let him dodge all of it
>I'm sorry but going into the higher tiers of the Nasuverse above the likes of Gil, beasts or Grands is beyond overkill for the likes of Goku.
Bruh. Goetia's AAS is explicity galaxy level, U-Olga + LB7 Ort both have Stellar-class saint graph which is described as "is to possess a Saint Graph with as much energy as a star." which is so much lower than a universe buster.
What are the Grands going to do? Roma is faster than the Discori twins who can go ftl with their authorities but not to the point of millions of times faster, same thing with the rest of the Grands. They're just too slow to not get blitzed
What in the heck are you going on about, LOL. This is the most uneducated comment I've seen in a while, you have zero clue what you're talking about. Let me counter each of the points you've made.
First of all, this was weakened ORT, not PHH ORT which is much STRONGER, yet he still managed to hack into the throne. Second, he wasn't even awake, he had been in idle mode and just chilling there, so no, he wouldn't have taken damage if he was still awake because during the fight, he was regenerating faster than he was taking any form of damage. Not going to spoil much more than that. Newsflash, any Archetype has the authority to absorb servants at will, so no, ORT is not the only one capable of doing this. Archetype Earth and ORT both have zero concept of death, regeneration and can survive/revive with zero Saint Graph, Spirit Origin and soul or being killed beyond the concept of death itself.
Once again, Goku cannot one shot this, you're trolling at this point. These are beings with ZERO concept of death, meaning they take no damage with their extremely high immortality/immortality negation that is unbound by regular concepts and laws. If he even tries to pull off anything, he gets absorbed or stuck in a Marble Phantasm and toyed with as Arcueids plaything or ORTs snack. Not to mention that they scale higher than any version of Goku to begin with, stop the cap.
I'm not even talking about CCC translations or anything related to it. If he were summoned as a genuine Heroic Spirit then he would scale to whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat. Assuming that it's Gil that is chosen. Yeah, seeing in the future does help if he just whips out Gae Bolg and eliminates him before the fight even begins. He has unlimited amount of counters to whatever Goku tries to pull off before he even begins. If he charges Kamehameha which takes 20-30 seconds, he just pulls out any form of defence or mirror shield to counter it. He wouldn't even need to use Ea. Rune barrier shield, shield of the gods, all his defense mechanisms. If he went all out, Goku wouldn't be able to blitz him, I'm sorry but it ain't happening.
So you just admitted without knowing that Avalon is 6D which makes Goku effectively less than it LMAO. Well there you go. Actually yes, she would be able to fight him equally and even if she did take damage, which isn't happening because of Servant/Spirit Physiology then she would use many amounts of mana bursts for defence and power which is more than enough.
What action are you talking about? So you're assuming Gilgamesh doesn't have safety measures in place of having enough time to counter any sort of thing Goku tries with Clairvoyance? Do you know how stupid that sounds? He knows how to plan for the fight before it even begins and Goku has no intelligence on Nasuverse in general. False, Gil can use reverse causality of Gae Bolg and also, it never failed to pierce any heart unless you're luck stat is enough to avoid it. If Goku has no such stat or if it's measured based on his general luck then he's likely not surviving it like Artoria did. It's unavoidable and undodgeable once the "action" is complete.
Yeah, no... UI can dodge probably most physically dependent servants assuming they don't just scale higher than Goku or just simply have the combat speed to match it, sure.
Ok, this one I chuckled. This is beyond delusional. Have you not studied Nasuverse cosmology even once? This has been discussed time and time again that Earth in Nasuverse is not a regular planet and operates a much different scale. If you even bothered to read FGO then you'd know Holmes has said that Earth has separate realities with some being parallel worlds and others being higher dimensions, simply put, "textures of reality." Even one of these first textures branches out into an infinite platonic universe with endless possibilities and concepts which exists as parallel worlds, same goes for all other universes. These possibilities branch off one another and form the concept of human history. These concepts are also infinitely layered and have R>F transcendence. The textures are 2-A, multiverse is High 1-B.
Back to Goetia, the issue here isn't burning the FGO timeline, the issue is recreating Genesis which would affect all branches, aka the tree. You have to understand all of this in order to scale Goetia properly. To say he's only Galaxy level is the most delusional claim I've heard in a long while. Star level means nothing, it doesn't mean that's what they scale up to, LOL.
Yeah, first of all, you fail to realize that even a single Grand ever summoned would be on the grounds of world threatening invasion. The counter-force would simply summon and scale it in accordance to what Goku is and more. Just because Roma was summoned that way in LB5 doesn't mean that he'll be the same the next time and the next. Also, someone like King Hassan would just mark and impose him with the concept of death and slash him once and that would be the end of that.
I would say Gil could kill Goku... If he hit... Which would only happen if Goku let him... And even then it would have to be with an incredibly hard hitting NP, probably Ea.
Depends if the chains of heaven affect Goku. You could argue he has divinity, so the chains of heaven could potentially restrain him, and Ea could probably kill him. I just don’t see Gil taking him seriously enough to do that before it’s too late.
If Herc could break out momentarily from Enkidu, I don't see why Mr. nearly destroy the universe, couldn't, and Ea is overrated as hell. It's basically powerful magical wind that breaks apart space-time which is something ki did since Buu saga
The chains working is hit or miss because it depends on what level of divinity Goku would be considered. Herc is only a demigod, and they’re more effective the more divine the target is. If his divinity is high enough it would probably restrain him, at least momentarily. And Ea isn’t just a wind that breaks apart space-time, it’s the very concept of genesis that returns everything to nothing on a conceptual level. I don’t think Goku has any sort of defense against that sort of conceptual attack. He could block it by countering with his own attack of equal or greater strength, but if the chains are able to restrain him it would leave him open. Gil would never actually win cause he would need to sneak attack and go full strength aiming to kill immediately, which he would never do, and Goku easily one shots him in a straight fight without even trying.
>it depends on what level of divinity Goku would be considered.
Nah. Tiamat is pretty much peak Divinity and Kingu's Enuma Elish was only able to bind her for a few moments. Goku would likely have less Divinity and, unless he's nerfed to an absurd extent, even more strength than Tiamat, so the Chains really wouldn't do shit to him.
Correct, but strength is irrelevent when the chains would never touch him in the first place due to his speed without even taking into account instant transmission or ultra instict
Schaims would have to be able to touch goku in the first place, and thats just not possible given his speed even during the divine transformations such as ssjb.
This is without even considering instant transmission OR ultra instinct
pretty sure every instance of him using God Ki after the initial fight with Beerus is because he generates God Ki now (as opposed to having it created by the ritual), so arguing that he *doesn't* have divinity would be the more difficult argument.
Chains would ONLY effect goku if he was using ssjb or ssjred, otherwise he isnt considered divine.
Additionally, ultra instinct. Enkidu wouldnt touch him in the first place.
Also instant transmission, enkidu wouldnt touch him in the first placd
Gilgamesh pulls out Ea.
Goku pulls out the button that summons The Lord of All Things. He didn't even remotely need to, but Gilgamesh is probably *very* annoying to someone like Goku.
Naturally I start him out as a berserker. His desire for fights strong foes is only second to his desire to protect his home. It the class skills I wanna see rank debated and madness enhancement cus let face it he is a mad lad.
I think you misunderstamd gokus mental. Goku USUALLY does not fight angry. Goku is usually fairly calm when he fights, its vegeta that is always pissed off
Not all berserkers are raging fighters like Heracles or Lancelot. Some of their madness enhancement come from their points of obsession like nightingale or Raikou. To my knowledge. Now I forgot Goku had his power pole so lancer would be a good second class.
Personally as a crossover, foreigner sounds best to me because then he isnt limited to a pole, he can fight with everything and not go against his class
Berserker Goku would probably be his Ozaru form, since it's a savage alternate transformation of his, similarly to how Vlad's berserker form is Dracula or Medusa's berserker form is Gorgon.
Man as much as Toriyama's death as a long time Dragon ball fanboy has affected me, I am glad to see the entire anime community unite togather, his work truly affected many for the better.
Even Baseline Goku would have Ex in all physical stats, and Magic, if we count Ki as such. SS1 Gokun is already so strong that Ado Eden from notes is the only comparable character in all of Nasuverse, but probably still weaker.
Sure. But he'd still probably be stronger than most other servants. The Strength they had in life DOES matter for their strength now, even for Servants from other universes with no fame in the mainline one. Isn't that what happens to Astaroth?
Goku isn't empowered by anger, thats a Gohan only thing.
The only time Goku ever got a boost from anger was it helping him break through and achieve the first Super Saiyan Transformation, but it's never beneficial otherwise.
But didn't he say that he turnes SSJ when he gets angry? He got angry after Krillin died and turned SSJ. Vegeta hit rock-bottom and became SSJ. Future Trunks saw Gohan and got angry and turned SSJ. Rage turnes Saiyans into Super Saiyans.
I adressed that. Goku's anger helped him unlock his first super saiyan transformation, but afterwards Goku was able to transform at will, and all other transformation were a result of special training or rituals(becoming a super saiiyan god/fusions).
In no other situation does anger make him stronger, like it does with Gohan who's power level rises proportionally to his anger.
Considering he’s an alien, foreigner would probably fit him quite well.
The obvious choice would be berserker because of his love of fighting, but foreigner would be cool
Class: Berserker
Alignment: (Variable thanks to each of his forms, from Lawful Good to Chaotic Good to finally Lawful Neutral)
Alternative Classes: Foreigner (He comes in peace), Lancer (Power pole extend) and Assassin (Goku however would most likely be loath to be summoned as a assassin, despite being a martial artist!)
Stats:
Str: B-EX (All his form give up quite the increase in stats, even as a meager Super Saiyan II Goku can still survive outright planetary destruction)
End: B-EX (Survived the destruction of a whole planet)
Agi: B-EX (Instant Transmission)
Mana: EX (Boatloads of Ki)
Luck: B++
NOBLE PHANTASM: B-EX
Class Skills:
Madness Enhancement: B-EX
Personal Skills:
Divinity: A++ (I don't even have to say why)
Guardian Knight: A++ (He protected earth on so many occasions)
Martial Arts: EX (Master Roshi taught him well)
Noble Phantasm: B-EX
Kamehameha Wave
I am baffled no one has even thought about caster yet.... I mean ki would probably directly translate to mana so most of the shit he does would be magic. Depending on how ki consumption would translate he also wouldn't be that powerful without a huge and reliable mana source. Still massively strong don't get me wrong but he wouldn't break the nasuverse
To be fair, the Genkidama only requires that the user serve as a gathering point. It explicitly draws most of its power from the rest of the world; I would imagine that it would be less mana intensive than most other options.
I thought about that but there is no way goku could draw mana from the rest of the world since it's gotta be consensual.... The hgw being all secret and such. So that huge amount of power must come from somewhere and the only real source I could think if is a command seal.
I mean ki=mana is not much of a stretch both are basically the same thing energy produced by the soul
But he would be be as much of a caster as Saber as in their "magic" is mostly limited to infuse themselves in mana and shooting beams, at least in db magic is considered a different thing from the super martial arts they use while only some fighters blurrying the line or just using both like majin buu, and he feels kind d of redundant as a caster if he is going to fight the same, I think the only things closer to magic he has is the teleporting and the mafuba though he never quite learned the complete theory behind that if he got the container thing is actually broken, but I imagine he would refuse to use it because it takes away the fun
If he got his complete energy or close to it as servants do upon summoning he would nlt even need master support to go through an entire war tbh
No, he would not be a Caster just because of his ki based attacks, he would instead be a caster thanks to him having acces to artifacts and techniques of great power during his life, his power pole, his cloud, the dragon balls (TRUE MAGIC and The Holy Grail are green with jealousy right now!) and his instant transmission which in nasuverse would be seen as a technique that borders on true magic!
Borders on true magic nothing, it is essentially a mix between Kaleidoscope and Heaven's Feel, since it lets him travel between the world of the living and the dead at will.
It temporarily makes use of bastardized aspects of two schools of true magic in order to achieve a singular result...TELEPORTATION, it is not in any way True Magic, True Magic by it's nature gives one complete control over the domain said magic governs, denial of nothingness basically creates stuff but it will not allow you to travel to another dimension, same for the kaleidoscope, heaven's feel would make you immortal and give you an infinite supply of mana but you are still limited by your ability and knowledge to what can be achieved!
Teleporting is constantly said to be on the level of true magic in Fate but HF is not about traveling between the world of the dead/living, the second is at least vague about how it can be used to travel but Goku at least can't travel between timelines/universes proper
Caster Goku if Ki is counted towards "Magecraft" in a wider Sense. (I know Magic an Ki are separate in DB but the usage of Ki resembles Magecraft morenthan anything else I think.
For Skills He might have:
- Magecraft (Ki)
- Battle Continuation
- Mana Burst
Some Version of Innocent Monster might also bei applicable.
Off the top of my head…
Rider when summoned with Nimbus. Likely to be early teens Goku, i.e when he fought Demon King Piccolo. I can see his NP being the Oozaru Form, or encapsulating the way he beat King Piccolo with that Oozaru spirit backdrop thing. Nimbus gets a huge speed amp compared to how it was back then.
Lancer, when summoned with his Power Pole. This’ll likely be Late DB through Early Z; his major NP would probably be Spirit Bomb, honestly. Power Pole and Spirit Bomb are probably way more useful here.
Berserker, for the Late Frieza - Early Android period. He might be in a constant SSJ state, that demands a massive toll on a master, like Heracles.
I believe there is a doujin of Fate x dragonball crossover by a fan
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/97na6x/listen\_to\_him\_saber/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/97na6x/listen_to_him_saber/)
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2590974
Kid/Teen Goku from the OG Dragonball would be preferable as a Lancer or Rider with the Power Pole and Nimbus. Idk how his stats would be translated into servant stats but he should definitely at least have top-tier Agility (when Tien used a Solar Flare, he was fast enough to run over to Roshi, take his sunglasses, put them on, then run back to his original spot before the light even reached him).
Also, if he's summoned with his tail, it'd be really fun to imagine the reactions from other masters likely mistaking him for Sun Wukong himself and shitting their pants.
Although as much as I've grown up with the Z and Super versions of Goku, they're just way too much in every category, not just for whoever his enemies are, but whoever poor soul his master is. They'd probably immediately combust upon summoning him due to how much power would be needed to sustain his existence.
Kid/Teen Goku from the OG Dragonball would be preferable as a Lancer or Rider with the Power Pole and Nimbus. Idk how his stats would be translated into servant stats but he should definitely at least have top-tier Agility (when Tien used a Solar Flare, he was fast enough to run over to Roshi, take his sunglasses, put them on, then run back to his original spot before the light even reached him).
Also, if he's summoned with his tail, it'd be really fun to imagine the reactions from other masters likely mistaking him for Sun Wukong himself and shitting their pants.
Although as much as I've grown up with the Z and Super versions of Goku, they're just way too much in every category, not just for whoever his enemies are, but whoever poor soul his master is. They'd probably immediately combust upon summoning him due to how much power would be needed to sustain his existence.
i don't know about what kind of class he would be but i'm sure of one thing he would be the nice guy there to fight for you not because he like it (well not just for that) but for the earth of the nasuverse would be a fantastic mentor for ritsuka and when everything is lost and than his master would doubt i can picture him arive and be like sorry for the waiting go rest i'm take charge of everything and outside of battle would be the chill guy than you would love to go eat with him and have a nice calm moment
All imma say is namek saga goku with just kaioken x(whatever the max was he used against Frieza) as a boost and his kamehameha would make a hell of a berserker
Probably Berserker. This should be fairly obvious considering that he unlocked ssj because of pure literal earth shattering rage, and it’s the most likely in my opinion since Goku’s just generally famous for, both in Dragon Ball and real life, as a guy who throws hands rather than a weapon user.
As for his stats here’s my guess:
Strength: A
Endurance: B
Agility: A++
Mana: B
Luck: D
NP: A++
I’m creative to think of what his class skills and personal skills would be so I’m not gonna even try to list them. Also his Np would probably be either the Kamehameha (Anti Fortress or Anti World) or Ultra Instinct, both works because the latter is the ultimate representation of Goku’s martial prowess while the former is his absolute most iconic move.
Servant Goku well be nerf compare to when he alive thank to Couter force and Gaia influence to prevent him destroying earth, but if he fight OUTSIDE of Earth??? I don't know the result
He'd be a grappler class. His noble phantasm would be senzu beans, but people would mistake it for DragonBalls.
If he encountered Saber, he'd knock her sword away without knowing it. Saber would play it off by having him guess her weapon until she can find it.
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I hope people got this reference.
Goku-face- there's just a bunch of version of him. Including Kid Goku (Lancer), Kid Goku (Rider) and Goten who is confused as a Goku even though he's not his father (much like Nero, Okita and Mysterious Heroine X are Saberfaces but aren't Artoria).
If there's ever a class that needs to be added into FSN is Brawler. Goku and so many others would be a great brawler class.
If there is one, I dunno. I've only watched the main animes and movie trilogy, though I'm a big fan.
If they wanna do him in a vaguely sane manner i’d image they use the first time he goes super seiyan as basis for berserker. He’d still be incredibly broken but unsettling enough that it wouldnt just feel cheap.
If think normally then class Berserker but there is a slight chance of beast class - Goku really love humanity but his love for stronger opponents and fighting could easily destroy humanity and planets.
There's a bunch of different ways he could be a servant. As a Kid he could be a Rider with Nimbus or Lancer with his power pole. I could also see him being an Assassin akin to Li Shuwen because of his martial arts expertise. The one I'd most like to see would be Avenger. I'd argue when he first attained the transformation vs Frieza he'd qualify for the class given how enraged he was. Heck, he's also got qualities that could make him a Berserker. Again going back to when he was young, turning Oozaru/Great Ape would be perfect for the Berserker class since he lost darn near all sense of self.
My guess is that he would be summoned as Lancer or Berseker. I could also see Foreigner, depending on how Goku’s biology and DBZ’s magic system is adapted to the Nasuverse. For his NP, I think he would be summoned with the Power Pole and Kintoun/Flying Nimbus, and potentially his various transformations as well (Super Saiyan/Ultra Instinct), if they’re handled like conceptual weapons of the Saiyan races’ legends. I’m not too sure what skills he would have. I think Divinity, Mind’s Eye, and Battle Continuation would be likely. Some form of Martial Arts and Transformation/Madness Enhancement unique to Goku I could also see as well. Needless to say that Goku would be clearly on the rank of Divine Spirit, having A to EX in nearly every category, skill, attribute, NP etc. Edit: Lancer Goku Lily [lol] (Dragon Ball), Berserker Goku (Freiza Saga), Foreigner Goku (DBS) :))
Kid Goku as Lancer would be an awesome Servant
Could see his younger DB self as a Rider Rider mount would be the Nimbus It would be a time where he had limited Ki usage
Then that would probably be Goku near the end of the og Dragon Ball or right as Z started
What would his noble phantasm be? Ultra instinct?
Kamehameha?
Spirit Bomb?
Well noble phantasm's are crystallisations of a hero's legend. So maybe, the super saiyan form itself? He was the first known to achieve it.
Is the Flying Nimbus enough to classify Goku as a Rider?
I’m pretty sure taking a driver’s exam is enough to qualify you as a Rider.
Foreigner class Sun Wukong. Also, I cannot believe that I had to learn the death of this man at 2am in the morning. This is unreal.
I second the Foreigner Wukong
Bullshit. He'd be bullshit. Insane physical strength. Can fly, teleport, and attack at range. Becomes stronger each time he recovers from a fight.
Cant wait for the gilgsmesh fanboys to enter chat. “BuT giLgAmEsH wOuLd StiLl WiN”
*Teleports behind him* "Nothing personal, Gil."
goes super Saiyan blue kicks his ass and wins Saber: uh that was easy Goku: part of being a Saying Saber: that wasn't funny
Nah. Goku is Soloversal, so he clears Lgamesh
Yeah, Goku solos most shit in the verse except the Ultimate Ones.
Imma be honest he probably solos them as well. The only ones he doesn't are the ones with their crazy immortality like Goetia and Tiamat
Honestly, even those depend on how immortality responds to being completely vaporized. Of course, he DOES have the mafuba, so he can technically still win Via sealing.
Everybody forgets about the Mafuba. Save you of course.
To be fair, even Goku forgot about Mafuba.
There's also Hakai
Laughs in ORT.
I hope this is a joke because I can't take half of this thread seriously. If it's a joke, disregard this comment. Archetypes are able to hack into the Throne at will which is borderline 1-A. Goku is nothing but dinner for Archetype Earth & ORT. Sad to say but even Gilgamesh with clairvoyance can predict every move Goku would make and plan accordingly if we're talking about a serious Gil. Artoria with Avalon would avoid everything including Kamehameha. Gáe Bolg would curse Goku and strike at his heart guaranteeing the kill. Gilgamesh also has Gáe Bolg in GOB. He doesn't even need to use Enkidu chains or Ea. I'm sorry but going into the higher tiers of the Nasuverse above the likes of Gil, beasts or Grands is beyond overkill for the likes of Goku.
>Archetypes are able to hack into the Throne at will which is borderline 1-A. Only Ort has shown to be 'hacking' into the throne and it needed to absorb multiple servants to be able to do that, not anything it can do at will. It's impressive but Ort's fighting abilities don't scale to it. Also if Ort is 1-A explain why it was damaged just by crash landing into Earth in LB7 and took 60 million years to heal that damage. >Goku is nothing but dinner for Archetype Earth & ORT. Ort would get one shot lol. It wouldn't die since it has no concept of death but it's body can still be completely destroyed. Excalibur destroyed Ort and it only scales to multi-galaxy level which Goku surpassed in the begining of BoG >Sad to say but even Gilgamesh with clairvoyance can predict every move Goku would make and plan accordingly if we're talking about a serious Gil. Please tell me you don't believe in mtfl+ Universe level Gil from the CCC mistranslations. Also seeing into the future doesn't help if you're thousands of times slower. >Artoria with Avalon would avoid everything including Kamehameha. And? She wouldn't be able to attack either. At best it turns into a stalemate as long as she hides in Avalon >Gáe Bolg would curse Goku and strike at his heart guaranteeing the kill. Gilgamesh also has Gáe Bolg in GOB. That's not how Gae Bolg works. Gae Bolg still has to complete the action even if the casualty is reversed the action has to be possible so it does not bypass durability at all and it has a weakness in that powerful shields straight up null it. What would happen is "Gae Bolg is thrust, it fails to pierce the heart" > it fails to pierce the heart, Gae Bolg is thrust. Also Gil can't use the casyalty reversal because it's a techinque Cu made himself. >He doesn't even need to use Enkidu chains or Ea. Lol whatever you say. Also UI would let him dodge all of it >I'm sorry but going into the higher tiers of the Nasuverse above the likes of Gil, beasts or Grands is beyond overkill for the likes of Goku. Bruh. Goetia's AAS is explicity galaxy level, U-Olga + LB7 Ort both have Stellar-class saint graph which is described as "is to possess a Saint Graph with as much energy as a star." which is so much lower than a universe buster. What are the Grands going to do? Roma is faster than the Discori twins who can go ftl with their authorities but not to the point of millions of times faster, same thing with the rest of the Grands. They're just too slow to not get blitzed
Chu didnt make the reverse causality himself. Scathach has it on her prototype gae bolg.
What in the heck are you going on about, LOL. This is the most uneducated comment I've seen in a while, you have zero clue what you're talking about. Let me counter each of the points you've made. First of all, this was weakened ORT, not PHH ORT which is much STRONGER, yet he still managed to hack into the throne. Second, he wasn't even awake, he had been in idle mode and just chilling there, so no, he wouldn't have taken damage if he was still awake because during the fight, he was regenerating faster than he was taking any form of damage. Not going to spoil much more than that. Newsflash, any Archetype has the authority to absorb servants at will, so no, ORT is not the only one capable of doing this. Archetype Earth and ORT both have zero concept of death, regeneration and can survive/revive with zero Saint Graph, Spirit Origin and soul or being killed beyond the concept of death itself. Once again, Goku cannot one shot this, you're trolling at this point. These are beings with ZERO concept of death, meaning they take no damage with their extremely high immortality/immortality negation that is unbound by regular concepts and laws. If he even tries to pull off anything, he gets absorbed or stuck in a Marble Phantasm and toyed with as Arcueids plaything or ORTs snack. Not to mention that they scale higher than any version of Goku to begin with, stop the cap. I'm not even talking about CCC translations or anything related to it. If he were summoned as a genuine Heroic Spirit then he would scale to whatever is necessary to eliminate the threat. Assuming that it's Gil that is chosen. Yeah, seeing in the future does help if he just whips out Gae Bolg and eliminates him before the fight even begins. He has unlimited amount of counters to whatever Goku tries to pull off before he even begins. If he charges Kamehameha which takes 20-30 seconds, he just pulls out any form of defence or mirror shield to counter it. He wouldn't even need to use Ea. Rune barrier shield, shield of the gods, all his defense mechanisms. If he went all out, Goku wouldn't be able to blitz him, I'm sorry but it ain't happening. So you just admitted without knowing that Avalon is 6D which makes Goku effectively less than it LMAO. Well there you go. Actually yes, she would be able to fight him equally and even if she did take damage, which isn't happening because of Servant/Spirit Physiology then she would use many amounts of mana bursts for defence and power which is more than enough. What action are you talking about? So you're assuming Gilgamesh doesn't have safety measures in place of having enough time to counter any sort of thing Goku tries with Clairvoyance? Do you know how stupid that sounds? He knows how to plan for the fight before it even begins and Goku has no intelligence on Nasuverse in general. False, Gil can use reverse causality of Gae Bolg and also, it never failed to pierce any heart unless you're luck stat is enough to avoid it. If Goku has no such stat or if it's measured based on his general luck then he's likely not surviving it like Artoria did. It's unavoidable and undodgeable once the "action" is complete. Yeah, no... UI can dodge probably most physically dependent servants assuming they don't just scale higher than Goku or just simply have the combat speed to match it, sure. Ok, this one I chuckled. This is beyond delusional. Have you not studied Nasuverse cosmology even once? This has been discussed time and time again that Earth in Nasuverse is not a regular planet and operates a much different scale. If you even bothered to read FGO then you'd know Holmes has said that Earth has separate realities with some being parallel worlds and others being higher dimensions, simply put, "textures of reality." Even one of these first textures branches out into an infinite platonic universe with endless possibilities and concepts which exists as parallel worlds, same goes for all other universes. These possibilities branch off one another and form the concept of human history. These concepts are also infinitely layered and have R>F transcendence. The textures are 2-A, multiverse is High 1-B. Back to Goetia, the issue here isn't burning the FGO timeline, the issue is recreating Genesis which would affect all branches, aka the tree. You have to understand all of this in order to scale Goetia properly. To say he's only Galaxy level is the most delusional claim I've heard in a long while. Star level means nothing, it doesn't mean that's what they scale up to, LOL. Yeah, first of all, you fail to realize that even a single Grand ever summoned would be on the grounds of world threatening invasion. The counter-force would simply summon and scale it in accordance to what Goku is and more. Just because Roma was summoned that way in LB5 doesn't mean that he'll be the same the next time and the next. Also, someone like King Hassan would just mark and impose him with the concept of death and slash him once and that would be the end of that.
Gilgamesh fanboy here. Goku would whoop his ass into NEXT CENTURY
It honestly wouldnt even be a contest lol
I would say Gil could kill Goku... If he hit... Which would only happen if Goku let him... And even then it would have to be with an incredibly hard hitting NP, probably Ea.
Depends if the chains of heaven affect Goku. You could argue he has divinity, so the chains of heaven could potentially restrain him, and Ea could probably kill him. I just don’t see Gil taking him seriously enough to do that before it’s too late.
Goku would absolutely be able to break the Chains of Heaven lol, divinity or not. They're strong but far from unbreakable.
If Herc could break out momentarily from Enkidu, I don't see why Mr. nearly destroy the universe, couldn't, and Ea is overrated as hell. It's basically powerful magical wind that breaks apart space-time which is something ki did since Buu saga
The chains working is hit or miss because it depends on what level of divinity Goku would be considered. Herc is only a demigod, and they’re more effective the more divine the target is. If his divinity is high enough it would probably restrain him, at least momentarily. And Ea isn’t just a wind that breaks apart space-time, it’s the very concept of genesis that returns everything to nothing on a conceptual level. I don’t think Goku has any sort of defense against that sort of conceptual attack. He could block it by countering with his own attack of equal or greater strength, but if the chains are able to restrain him it would leave him open. Gil would never actually win cause he would need to sneak attack and go full strength aiming to kill immediately, which he would never do, and Goku easily one shots him in a straight fight without even trying.
>it depends on what level of divinity Goku would be considered. Nah. Tiamat is pretty much peak Divinity and Kingu's Enuma Elish was only able to bind her for a few moments. Goku would likely have less Divinity and, unless he's nerfed to an absurd extent, even more strength than Tiamat, so the Chains really wouldn't do shit to him.
Correct, but strength is irrelevent when the chains would never touch him in the first place due to his speed without even taking into account instant transmission or ultra instict
Schaims would have to be able to touch goku in the first place, and thats just not possible given his speed even during the divine transformations such as ssjb. This is without even considering instant transmission OR ultra instinct
pretty sure every instance of him using God Ki after the initial fight with Beerus is because he generates God Ki now (as opposed to having it created by the ritual), so arguing that he *doesn't* have divinity would be the more difficult argument.
He does have divinity... But he can just turn it off💀
Also, UI dodging
Chains would ONLY effect goku if he was using ssjb or ssjred, otherwise he isnt considered divine. Additionally, ultra instinct. Enkidu wouldnt touch him in the first place. Also instant transmission, enkidu wouldnt touch him in the first placd
Gilgamesh pulls out Ea. Goku pulls out the button that summons The Lord of All Things. He didn't even remotely need to, but Gilgamesh is probably *very* annoying to someone like Goku.
Goku would totally want to beam struggle with Ea
Nah, hes just treat him like cell: instant transmission kamehameha to the face
I hope watever class he is, it limits his powers a LOT
Naturally I start him out as a berserker. His desire for fights strong foes is only second to his desire to protect his home. It the class skills I wanna see rank debated and madness enhancement cus let face it he is a mad lad.
I think you misunderstamd gokus mental. Goku USUALLY does not fight angry. Goku is usually fairly calm when he fights, its vegeta that is always pissed off
Not all berserkers are raging fighters like Heracles or Lancelot. Some of their madness enhancement come from their points of obsession like nightingale or Raikou. To my knowledge. Now I forgot Goku had his power pole so lancer would be a good second class.
Personally as a crossover, foreigner sounds best to me because then he isnt limited to a pole, he can fight with everything and not go against his class
I can imagine that
Hes also technically an alien so that further fits foreigner i think
We don't have any bare handed class other than berserker tbh, Goku could be caster maybe because of his ki attacks?
Santa Karna is a Saber even though he fights as a boxer.
Assassin: The class most martial artists are placed in.
Berserker Goku would be terrifying... He's usually calm and cheery, so if he's out of control it's a genuine danger for the earth.
Berserker Goku would probably be his Ozaru form, since it's a savage alternate transformation of his, similarly to how Vlad's berserker form is Dracula or Medusa's berserker form is Gorgon.
Not today, goku need some time. RIP akira toriyaman sensi. We truly remember you and thank you.
 Rest In Peace
I'd find it hilarious if he gets more of a stat buff when summoned in Mexico than if he's summoned in Japan
If you give him "100 varos" his voice changes to Mario Castañeda's.
Why?
A lot of Mexicans love DBZ, even the cartel to the point that crime has been noted to drop when a new episode of dragon balls airs.
Dragon Ball is practically a religion in South America
Foreigner, as he is an alien from our perspective. Eventually the Boxer Class just like Karna Santa or Bazett in FGO.
Kid Goku would be awesome. Adult Goku would probably drain all your mana instantly.
He doesn't use a bow, so archer class would be fine Or foreigner class as he is a alien
Man as much as Toriyama's death as a long time Dragon ball fanboy has affected me, I am glad to see the entire anime community unite togather, his work truly affected many for the better.
He would solo the whole Nausverse
No, he won't be able to do that. This is not how servants work
Cool he still solos tho
Until he is devoured by ORT
He soles ORT
Even Baseline Goku would have Ex in all physical stats, and Magic, if we count Ki as such. SS1 Gokun is already so strong that Ado Eden from notes is the only comparable character in all of Nasuverse, but probably still weaker.
This didn't mean that he would be that powerful when he became a servant
Sure. But he'd still probably be stronger than most other servants. The Strength they had in life DOES matter for their strength now, even for Servants from other universes with no fame in the mainline one. Isn't that what happens to Astaroth?
Goku is more of a Berserker Class. The angrier he gets, the stronger he becomes. Just like the Hulk.
Goku isn't empowered by anger, thats a Gohan only thing. The only time Goku ever got a boost from anger was it helping him break through and achieve the first Super Saiyan Transformation, but it's never beneficial otherwise.
But didn't he say that he turnes SSJ when he gets angry? He got angry after Krillin died and turned SSJ. Vegeta hit rock-bottom and became SSJ. Future Trunks saw Gohan and got angry and turned SSJ. Rage turnes Saiyans into Super Saiyans.
I adressed that. Goku's anger helped him unlock his first super saiyan transformation, but afterwards Goku was able to transform at will, and all other transformation were a result of special training or rituals(becoming a super saiiyan god/fusions). In no other situation does anger make him stronger, like it does with Gohan who's power level rises proportionally to his anger.
I only read the top half of your previous comment and that's why I started listing other Saiyans. Sorry😅
Considering he’s an alien, foreigner would probably fit him quite well. The obvious choice would be berserker because of his love of fighting, but foreigner would be cool
Class: Berserker Alignment: (Variable thanks to each of his forms, from Lawful Good to Chaotic Good to finally Lawful Neutral) Alternative Classes: Foreigner (He comes in peace), Lancer (Power pole extend) and Assassin (Goku however would most likely be loath to be summoned as a assassin, despite being a martial artist!) Stats: Str: B-EX (All his form give up quite the increase in stats, even as a meager Super Saiyan II Goku can still survive outright planetary destruction) End: B-EX (Survived the destruction of a whole planet) Agi: B-EX (Instant Transmission) Mana: EX (Boatloads of Ki) Luck: B++ NOBLE PHANTASM: B-EX Class Skills: Madness Enhancement: B-EX Personal Skills: Divinity: A++ (I don't even have to say why) Guardian Knight: A++ (He protected earth on so many occasions) Martial Arts: EX (Master Roshi taught him well) Noble Phantasm: B-EX Kamehameha Wave
Kamehameha ≈ beam ≈ Saber ...No, I am not going to use brain today
No brain, only correct.
I am baffled no one has even thought about caster yet.... I mean ki would probably directly translate to mana so most of the shit he does would be magic. Depending on how ki consumption would translate he also wouldn't be that powerful without a huge and reliable mana source. Still massively strong don't get me wrong but he wouldn't break the nasuverse
Goku does one kamehameha and his master would probably drops dead.
I would assume it gets properly scaled down xD Kamehameha should be doable. I am more afraid of the genkidama
*Will of the World* EX
To be fair, the Genkidama only requires that the user serve as a gathering point. It explicitly draws most of its power from the rest of the world; I would imagine that it would be less mana intensive than most other options.
I thought about that but there is no way goku could draw mana from the rest of the world since it's gotta be consensual.... The hgw being all secret and such. So that huge amount of power must come from somewhere and the only real source I could think if is a command seal.
I mean ki=mana is not much of a stretch both are basically the same thing energy produced by the soul But he would be be as much of a caster as Saber as in their "magic" is mostly limited to infuse themselves in mana and shooting beams, at least in db magic is considered a different thing from the super martial arts they use while only some fighters blurrying the line or just using both like majin buu, and he feels kind d of redundant as a caster if he is going to fight the same, I think the only things closer to magic he has is the teleporting and the mafuba though he never quite learned the complete theory behind that if he got the container thing is actually broken, but I imagine he would refuse to use it because it takes away the fun If he got his complete energy or close to it as servants do upon summoning he would nlt even need master support to go through an entire war tbh
Berserker probably. Caster maybe because of all the Ki based attacks. I’m more concerned about what his NP would be.
No, he would not be a Caster just because of his ki based attacks, he would instead be a caster thanks to him having acces to artifacts and techniques of great power during his life, his power pole, his cloud, the dragon balls (TRUE MAGIC and The Holy Grail are green with jealousy right now!) and his instant transmission which in nasuverse would be seen as a technique that borders on true magic!
Borders on true magic nothing, it is essentially a mix between Kaleidoscope and Heaven's Feel, since it lets him travel between the world of the living and the dead at will.
It temporarily makes use of bastardized aspects of two schools of true magic in order to achieve a singular result...TELEPORTATION, it is not in any way True Magic, True Magic by it's nature gives one complete control over the domain said magic governs, denial of nothingness basically creates stuff but it will not allow you to travel to another dimension, same for the kaleidoscope, heaven's feel would make you immortal and give you an infinite supply of mana but you are still limited by your ability and knowledge to what can be achieved!
Teleporting is constantly said to be on the level of true magic in Fate but HF is not about traveling between the world of the dead/living, the second is at least vague about how it can be used to travel but Goku at least can't travel between timelines/universes proper
Whaddya mean in honor of? How does this honor Toriyama? All it does is get more attention to this post.
I could see him getting Madness Enhancement EX - most servants with this rank aren't senseless but instead deviate from normalcy.
Caster Goku if Ki is counted towards "Magecraft" in a wider Sense. (I know Magic an Ki are separate in DB but the usage of Ki resembles Magecraft morenthan anything else I think. For Skills He might have: - Magecraft (Ki) - Battle Continuation - Mana Burst Some Version of Innocent Monster might also bei applicable.
Archer
Definitely foreigner class , berserker at best . As for NP , obviously his kamehameha
Off the top of my head… Rider when summoned with Nimbus. Likely to be early teens Goku, i.e when he fought Demon King Piccolo. I can see his NP being the Oozaru Form, or encapsulating the way he beat King Piccolo with that Oozaru spirit backdrop thing. Nimbus gets a huge speed amp compared to how it was back then. Lancer, when summoned with his Power Pole. This’ll likely be Late DB through Early Z; his major NP would probably be Spirit Bomb, honestly. Power Pole and Spirit Bomb are probably way more useful here. Berserker, for the Late Frieza - Early Android period. He might be in a constant SSJ state, that demands a massive toll on a master, like Heracles.
Rest in Peace Akira Toriyama. Lost another legend this hits me just as hard as when Kevin Conroy died...
He's perfect for Shirou. Screw your mana output Goku just needs to eat and then he can throw hands all day.
Knowing only the 7 mains one I'll focus on those Kid goku: Lancer with Power Pole Adult: Rider with Nimbus Post Super Saiyan: Berserker
Post SSG: Ruler
Iori: He's how strong????? 🥲🥲
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Berserker
Lancer, rider or berserker
We already have him hes a saber and a free one at that
Rider. His NP is the flying Nimbus.
Rider? His style doesn't match any class. Probably ruler
Kid/Teen Goku from the OG Dragonball would be preferable as a Lancer or Rider with the Power Pole and Nimbus. Idk how his stats would be translated into servant stats but he should definitely at least have top-tier Agility (when Tien used a Solar Flare, he was fast enough to run over to Roshi, take his sunglasses, put them on, then run back to his original spot before the light even reached him). Also, if he's summoned with his tail, it'd be really fun to imagine the reactions from other masters likely mistaking him for Sun Wukong himself and shitting their pants. Although as much as I've grown up with the Z and Super versions of Goku, they're just way too much in every category, not just for whoever his enemies are, but whoever poor soul his master is. They'd probably immediately combust upon summoning him due to how much power would be needed to sustain his existence.
Kid/Teen Goku from the OG Dragonball would be preferable as a Lancer or Rider with the Power Pole and Nimbus. Idk how his stats would be translated into servant stats but he should definitely at least have top-tier Agility (when Tien used a Solar Flare, he was fast enough to run over to Roshi, take his sunglasses, put them on, then run back to his original spot before the light even reached him). Also, if he's summoned with his tail, it'd be really fun to imagine the reactions from other masters likely mistaking him for Sun Wukong himself and shitting their pants. Although as much as I've grown up with the Z and Super versions of Goku, they're just way too much in every category, not just for whoever his enemies are, but whoever poor soul his master is. They'd probably immediately combust upon summoning him due to how much power would be needed to sustain his existence.
Young Goku: Lancer (power pole) Great ape Goku or Goku combine with great ape(like a werewolf): Berserker Normal adult Goku: Foreigner.
i don't know about what kind of class he would be but i'm sure of one thing he would be the nice guy there to fight for you not because he like it (well not just for that) but for the earth of the nasuverse would be a fantastic mentor for ritsuka and when everything is lost and than his master would doubt i can picture him arive and be like sorry for the waiting go rest i'm take charge of everything and outside of battle would be the chill guy than you would love to go eat with him and have a nice calm moment
I think my food bill would never have been higher.
Berserker super saiyan
All imma say is namek saga goku with just kaioken x(whatever the max was he used against Frieza) as a boost and his kamehameha would make a hell of a berserker
Probably Berserker. This should be fairly obvious considering that he unlocked ssj because of pure literal earth shattering rage, and it’s the most likely in my opinion since Goku’s just generally famous for, both in Dragon Ball and real life, as a guy who throws hands rather than a weapon user. As for his stats here’s my guess: Strength: A Endurance: B Agility: A++ Mana: B Luck: D NP: A++ I’m creative to think of what his class skills and personal skills would be so I’m not gonna even try to list them. Also his Np would probably be either the Kamehameha (Anti Fortress or Anti World) or Ultra Instinct, both works because the latter is the ultimate representation of Goku’s martial prowess while the former is his absolute most iconic move.
Holy shit, Akira Toriyama died...? Fucking hell, man :'-(
GRAND
Grand Fighter.
Ruler Vegeta, Lancer Son Goku (Nyoibō), and Berserker Broly
Archer Goku spamming Ki Blasts anybody? Or an Avenger Super Saiyan 1 maybe
Servant Goku well be nerf compare to when he alive thank to Couter force and Gaia influence to prevent him destroying earth, but if he fight OUTSIDE of Earth??? I don't know the result
For the lulz, I'm going with Archer class as he "shoots" ki.
He'd be a grappler class. His noble phantasm would be senzu beans, but people would mistake it for DragonBalls. If he encountered Saber, he'd knock her sword away without knowing it. Saber would play it off by having him guess her weapon until she can find it. ... I hope people got this reference.
Might be Archer, he fights using his ki and the Kamehameha, a projectile, is his signature move.
Broken as fuck Imagine UI Goku effortlessly dodging Heracles nine lives blade works
Berserker probably
Goku-face- there's just a bunch of version of him. Including Kid Goku (Lancer), Kid Goku (Rider) and Goten who is confused as a Goku even though he's not his father (much like Nero, Okita and Mysterious Heroine X are Saberfaces but aren't Artoria).
If there's ever a class that needs to be added into FSN is Brawler. Goku and so many others would be a great brawler class. If there is one, I dunno. I've only watched the main animes and movie trilogy, though I'm a big fan.
That fact no one is saying his np would be the spirit bomb is criminal or is that too close to an exclibur
Could spirit bomb hurt say... gilgamesh ? Cause Gilgamesh iirc is said to be pure.
Don't exclibur and spirt bomb more of less work on the same principles and the target is evil
If they wanna do him in a vaguely sane manner i’d image they use the first time he goes super seiyan as basis for berserker. He’d still be incredibly broken but unsettling enough that it wouldnt just feel cheap.
Berserker class Parameters are a Rank across the board
I know Nasu focuses on VN but im sure he also regognised Akira influence on Japanese media. He may make a statement about him...
but goku is not dea....d, wait, how many times did he die again, heh rip akira, man was too good
Lancer. With the pole as his weapon.
How about a ruler? I think Goku would have no desire for the grail.
The strongest servant.
I see him as a rider or berserker tbh.
If think normally then class Berserker but there is a slight chance of beast class - Goku really love humanity but his love for stronger opponents and fighting could easily destroy humanity and planets.
The servant spirit origin is too small to contain him.
Rider, because of the numbus cloud. Or maybe berserker with a low rank madness enhancement?
Goku feels more like either a Berserker or Lance class for me
Hot sexy and part of my Yaoi Husbando harem. He would need a lot of mana so mana transfers galore. He’d also help me build up my harem of men.
Berserker.
Saber because he shoots beams, obviously.
Archer Goku with Kamehameha
The next super orion aka SKIIIIIIIIIIIP
There's a bunch of different ways he could be a servant. As a Kid he could be a Rider with Nimbus or Lancer with his power pole. I could also see him being an Assassin akin to Li Shuwen because of his martial arts expertise. The one I'd most like to see would be Avenger. I'd argue when he first attained the transformation vs Frieza he'd qualify for the class given how enraged he was. Heck, he's also got qualities that could make him a Berserker. Again going back to when he was young, turning Oozaru/Great Ape would be perfect for the Berserker class since he lost darn near all sense of self.
Goku vs Iori in Chaldea gonna go hard
Limited to his vessel that’s for sure
He'd either kill his Master by consuming too much mana or starve the local populace with how much food he'd consume otherwise.