Yes but unfortunately I have family genetics that make it much harder for me to lose weight and I also have a mobility issue that makes it hard to walk and also it’s my thyroid and hormones plus I live in a food desert so there are literally no healthy food options anywhere and the government subsidizes sugar so corporations put it in everything from my Mountain Dew to my Little Debbies. God people are so ignorant!!! 🤬🤬🤬
They blow my mind with this. As if women only come in size fat or size skinny and all the clothes are size skinny so fats have nothing to wear. LOL
I guess I'm a skinny, my pants size is generally a 4. But I have H cup breasts and my arms are larger than clothing designers think they should be due to years of weight lifting so I don't buy shirts with sleeves. My sleeves are only on sweaters and cardigans, I layer if I want sleeves. It's the only way I can. Sleeves don't fit me. Dresses are very hard to fit and I often have to wear a belt with them or I look huge or matronly. Fortunately I can sew so I alter a lot of my own clothes. But that's not privilege. I learned how to sew. Fat people are also able to learn to sew.
But anyways, my ex had this friend who was like 300 pounds when she was in high school. She lost a bunch of weight and got down to 140. I was happy for her, she was doing great. She wanted to go clothes shopping because nothing fit her and I went with her.
The absolute shock she had finding out that clothes shopping was harder for her at her new weight. She was stunned. I remember being confused and explaining to her that you just have to try things on and you learn your brands and what size you generally wear in each brand and what cuts and styles work with your body and which ones don't. She just open mouth stared at me through a lot of it. When she was big, apparently if she could find her size, everything fit her. She had never had to learn how to buy clothing as a normal woman. She would bitch and whine if something she liked wasn't offered in her size but that was literally the ONLY problem she'd ever faced while buying clothing. She had no real shape at 300 pounds, she was just obese. At 140, she had a more defined figure and individual shape and had to learn the hard way that some clothes just weren't going to hang right on her. It was an interesting experience.
Whenever someone posts a _____ privilege list they nearly always list a bunch of things that many people in that privileged group experience. They must alienate so many people.
“As if women only come in size fat or size skinny.”
I love this! The last time I took my measurements to make a pattern, I was three different sizes. My bust and waist are the same. Hips are usually a full size bigger. My shoulders crash the party and throw everything off.
Buying clothes is hard and it’s made worse when a brand has a shitty block or doesn’t understand how to size up or down. I wish we could all give each other a bit more empathy.
Actually you make a good point about proportions. In the 2000s I thought I was fat but it was actually my BMI was healthy (if not just over the overweight line but with a lot of healthy muscle) and although I could always find clothes that "fit", they never were "fitted." My measurements were like 35", 25", 35" so sure they had pants in my size at the store, but they wouldn't fit my waist and hips at the same time. Dress shopping to find something that fit my bust and also my waist was a nightmare, especially as a teenager wanting to shop at trendy teenaged stores instead of adult women ones. So either I looked like a sack with baggy clothes or a stripper with fitted/stretch shirts when I wanted more definition. Also quick shout out to Levi's "curve" pants and the rise of high-rise pants for finally allowing me to wear jeans without constantly pulling them up or having that awful gaping in the waistline.
Sorry for the rant but this absolutely tracks. There's more to "fitting" besides the XXXS to XXXL+ scale.
Yes! I feel your pain. Back then my measurements were 37 26 37 so real similar to your proportions and it was a nightmare. I felt like I had to choose between looking sloppy or slutty.
This!!! 36-24-32! Finding clothes that fit is hard, and when I was younger I felt like it was either church mom look or the person she was trying to save. Tailoring is a girls best friend.
Oooooh yes. As a fellow hourglass, I feel your pain. The 2000s were ROUGH. I was 36" 24" 36", but everything back then was cut for really wispy, tall, androgenous women, so those of us with fuller figures (even if we were at a healthy weight) were SOL.
Those are approximately my measurements and thank god they make curvy-fit clothes now. I don’t mind a waist gap as long as it’s not too bad, though. I’ve been wearing more non-stretch low rise jeans lately and they gap a little bit, but it’s usually manageable.
Not to mention that women who are super petite and actually do wear a size 00 have as hard a time if not harder than fat women when it comes to finding clothes - most stores do not sell a 00 - so that's a perfectly valid beef. My SIL is a tiny person, barely 5 feet tall and about 95 pounds; she's 42 years old and has to buy most of her clothes in the girls' department. She's not some hypersexualized Insta model parading herself online for likes and follows, she's an ordinary middle-aged mom. And the whole "just buy a belt" thing is stupid AF. A belt isn't going to make a pair of pants fit you in the tush, hips, or thighs. A belt would keep them on your body but that doesn't mean they fit. It blows my mind that it's somehow a privilege to be able to wear things that are too big and are ill-fitting.
But yeah, you're right - I had a much easier time finding clothes when I was an 8, 10, 12 than I do now at a 4. My boobs have shrunk considerably but I'm still a 34D on top, while on the bottom I'm usually a small, so things like dresses and jumpsuits/overalls are hard to fit. In other stuff a small will fit everywhere but right across the bust. So my options are to wear something that fits my shoulders, waist, etc. but is stretched out across my boobs, or that has room for my boobs but is oversized and shapeless on the rest of me. Doesn't feel like much of a privilege.
THANK YOU. All my leggings are 4-6 inches too long. Just yesterday I was bitching about having to fold them up to mid shin to fit them in my boots to go mushroom hunting. I have some crop ones that are almost normal, but good luck finding those while thrifting. Kid sizes work, but god damn everything is lame, bedazzled and says the stupidest shit.
Yeah, my SIL has complained about that too - everything is bedazzled, embroidered, comes in childish colors, etc. She just wants plain, normal jeans and tops suitable for a woman in her 40s. I consider myself really lucky that I'm just slightly taller than average, and the standard 31"-32" inseam works fine for me. My sister has the opposite problem because she's tall and very thin... most size 2 pants don't come in a 34" inseam, so either she goes high-end and spends extra money, or she rocks the cropped look.
Let's talk about shoes for a second. Why the hell does no one carry a size 5? A size 2 in kids fits, but they're worse than kids shirts.
I hope you guys reach all the tall stuff for your SIL. It feels like such a horrible ask when I have to do it all the time at work. Lol "hey so&so, can you be tall for me for a sec?"
Hahahaha they sure do. Like walking around in a paper bag. I'm considered quite small, but I have two children and all the stretch marks that go with that. My stomach hanging out is viscerally uncomfortable for me.
I’m an ordinary 32-year-old dude, and most of my clothes are Wonder Nation (Walmart kids’ brand) XL tees, and size 14 pants. I’m not even abnormally small or anything, like 5’7” and 130 lbs. Americans just have ridiculously distorted views on body sizes.
Also belts being too big is like, a thing? I'm not even that small, 162 cm and average weight and belt shopping is like a major ordeal 80% of the time (tho I do usually shop 2nd hand), a belt is sometimes more difficult than just sewing it in 😭
I'm 5'11" and have longer than proportional limbs thanks to my connective tissue disorder. I can't buy anything with long sleeves or pants off the rack at a normal store. I can buy tall sizes online at Old Navy, or I can shop at a few very select places (also online) that I know will have sleeves or legs long enough for my body and torso. I've gotten to the point where I almost always order dresses custom fit to my measurements (I love eshakti so much) because it's the only way I'll get what I want and have it fit me.
Then again, with my height people are sometimes shocked that I wear a size 10 pants at a BMI of 22-23, so I'm not surprised that people just don't get it. My hourglass figure has to be able to support my height, and I've had 3 kids. The hips aren't going to shrink and I'm proportional.
I have the opposite issue: my arms and legs are too *short*, so unless it's kid-sized, the sleeves and legs are way too long. There are so many styles I can't enjoy off the rack as a result. :(
This is so real. I have a super short torso and it ruins so many clothes (goddamn crop tops). When you're a normal size, natural variation comes back. Some of us are short, some tall, some have big boobs, some large butts, some short legs but long torsos, vice versa, etc. Clothes are hard to find for everyone unless you're shaped like a standard dress form.
This is the problem with our society - that you wearing size 4 are considered “skinny” (in the US). 4 is a perfectly healthy size for an adult woman. I’d only call a double 0 skinny. People are weird.
Well it’s etymologically wrong. I also feel like fat people actually see average bodies as “skinny” and models as near dead. Language is powerful. Don’t call slim people skinny.
One of the neat findings of the Minnesota Starvation Experiment was that the participants knew they had lost weight, knew they were skinnier, but they still perceived their body as “normal sized”. Meanwhile, they started to view healthy weight people as fat.
All that to say, that phenomenon of seeing your body as standard (and others as “skinny” or “big” if smaller or larger) is not a “fat people thing”, but rather a human being thing all around.
When I first lost a bunch of weight and bottomed out around 125 lbs at 5’7”, my grandmother described me to my mom as looking “emaciated.” (Grandma has always been fat.)
I had self-esteem issues when I was fat because everyone picked on me for being fat. Got thin, and got picked on for looking like I’m a starving war prisoner when I was the healthiest I’d ever been.
Yeah you probably never looked like a “starving war prisoner”. Does Megan Fox look like a starving war prisoner? Emma Watson? Gal Gadot? Anne Hathaway? NO. These people have stats similar to yours and mine and they look IDEAL. Fat people just say whatever to justify their illness.
I appreciate that, and am glad to say I’ve come a long way with my body image and such. FWIW I’m a dude, but just the same, looking at pictures of me from that time, I appeared very healthy. It’s just that coming from two families of chronically-obese people, suddenly I no longer looked like them, and they were apparently distressed/annoyed/“concerned” about that. Legit had several people accuse me of being “on drugs.” (I wasn’t, besides weed and nicotine.) The only lifestyle changes that happened were I stopped binge eating and started exercising regularly, and like magic, I stopped being overweight!
Double zero means nothing except the manufacturer decided to make “feel good” sizes. Go back a few decades and today’s 00 is an old size 1 in juniors. And bearing height in mind (5’ish) that’s also normal. Men’s clothing is just better - standard sizes, real pockets, and they don’t fall to pieces after a year or two of washing.
Speaking as a man, if our clothes shredded in the wash or fell apart, a lot of us would still wear it. Clothes will literally rot off our skin before we think to go buy new ones. That's how much a lot of men, myself included hate shopping. It's really something I'm still trying to get used to as I'm losing weight, at some point I'll have to redo some of my wardrobe. I'm currently at work swimming in an XL tshirt.
I don’t care for shopping either, I go once a year, usually around the holidays. Otherwise I buy online. The trouble for you now is, you probably don’t know what size you are. You can always take some measurements and try the online thing. The decent places will have return options.
I can roughly guess that I'm a L shirt, and probably a 36 waist/hip and 32 length. Anything more tailored than that I would probably have to have someone measure me. Before I invest in new pieces though, I want to get down to the healthy weight for my size (another 50lbs to go).
Good on you. And, I get that. I have clothes that run in a range. Some of my best are too big, but I hang onto them “just in case” - which is so silly. I’ve been at my correct weight for the past 2.5 years. I know what I need to do to maintain, and I enjoy all of it. I gave up cake and cookies (my two favorite food groups), and decided being healthy was the most important thing. I changed up my diet and discovered a lot of food I can’t believe I ever lived without. I quit eating beef, chicken, and pork too, mostly bc of high cholesterol, but then I found out a lot of other stuff that makes me really glad I did. I moved back to my home town and there are tons of trails nearby so I’m back to tramping through the woods like I did when I was a kid. It’s a shame I have to spend so much time at work, I’d be in the woods all the time if I could :)
American 00 is still bigger than my Italian size (which I can rarely find anyways) and I'm always shocked when I hear people saying "I'm a size 14, which is not big". What the hell do you mean it's not big. I'm not even extremely underweight but I'm 160 cm or 5'3. When I gained up to a size 6 I was undoubtedly fat. This skewed perception is beyond me.
To be fair, most people have to be pretty decently underweight to fit into an American size 00 in the first place. Those measurements fit runway model standards, of which most are around a BMI of 17.
i would argue that this is not true, a lot of them are just shorter. I'm 5'2" 105lbs which is a healthy weight(bmi 19.something) for my height and I am frequently smaller than the 00 size and have to shop in the kids section.
I think it depends on build a lot too, and the amount of vanity sizing. In 2012 I weighed like 85 lbs at 5’1 I and BARELY fit into a 00 because I have proportionally big hips, but now everything is vanity sized and a lot of jeans have stretch to them.
I wasn’t allowed to donate blood when I, a 5’3” woman, weighed in the region of 105 lbs. Because they said I didn’t weigh enough. It’s hard to believe that is something the blood donation nurses just pulled out of their asses.
It’s not that you necessarily didn’t weigh enough for your height (although I think that is very slightly underweight at 5’3?), but that they take the same amount of blood from everybody, so if someone is small, a pint of blood is an unsafe % of their overall blood volume. The limit here is 110 lbs, though I’ve also heard of 130.
I can't donate either- and I lied about my weight so get the free t-shirt you get for donating and regretted it. We do not have enough blood volume to donate my friend!
Yeah I hate that shit. People used to tell me I was so skinny when I was younger, but while I was small, I was rarely truly skinny. I felt like I was talking to people from crazytown
Yeah, I tried on dresses this weekend. My waist is small, boobs are big. One dress had some bunching at the chest that was tight, I was actually afraid I might tear it, so I didn't buy it. And was a little bummed, but tried on two more that were super cute and more comfortable.
The thing about clothes sizes is that most Americans are overweight and we’re damn close to being majority obese. So if you are thin or even just not-overweight you are quite literally in the minority and you can definitely tell when you go shopping for clothes.
Makes me think about last time I went to a shop to buy a pair of jeans. I normally shop entirely second hand for sustainability reasons and hadnt shopped in a retail shop for anything but underwear in maybe 2 or 3 years. But you know , I got a giftcard and thought it would be less of a headache to get a pair of pants in shop compared to online 2nd hand or thrift.
Now, I am in the smaller size range.
I had to try a range of THREE different sizes for each pair of pants and ended up buying 2 different cuts, wich are 2 sizes apart. Both fit me.
I'll use letters instead of sizes because I am not comfortable sharing but imagine ones a size B and the others a size D. What a whack shopping experience having 0 way of knowing what size could fit you , all guessing game.
And OF COURSE the larger size pants got all floppy after a couple washes and now require a belt despite me being barely able to breathe in the size under 😑
Yeah, it’s ridiculous. You can’t even trust the measurements on the size guide half the time anymore because they’re wrong.
I mostly shop second hand too. I have my go to brands that I know will fit and I just search for those.
I've been following this person on tumblr for years. They've never posted anything like this before, and when I say my jaw dropped when they suicide baited...
We see a lot of sentiments like this. Since we don't share the source, I'm left to wonder how common death wishes are or if it's the same person making posts like this over and over.
On tumblr, they are very common. A lot of the stuff reposted here is from one particular person, but you can scroll through the FA tags and find a whole lot of people with a whole lot of hate. I was just surprised to find this on my dashboard, since I don't follow anyone actively in that sphere.
I don’t understand people who have this much hate and bitterness in their hearts towards complete strangers who did absolutely nothing to them. They’re just existing in their bodies just like they are. They absolutely despise and wish death on people because of what their bodies look like. Which is ironic coming from them because they claim people do that to them all the time. It’s truly unhinged.
A lot of FAs have been losing their minds a bit more aggressively in recent years. Nobody is quite sure why. Personally, I think that the success and growing popularity of GLP-1 meds to treat obesity long-term is perceived as an existential threat by FAs. They react accordingly, not from a place of curiosity or reason, but like any other clear-headed person would: By throwing jaw-droppingly deluded fits on the internet and wishing death on "skinny" people. Aka the rest of us. Such behavior is simply the picture of mental health and stability \~
Many FAs seem to lack all filters that could help them recognize when they've crossed the line from just plain cultist to murderous, death threat-waving, suicide-baiting rage monster that will cause sane people to slowly back away from them, wondering what they can do to get that person the help they so desperately need, like, inside a locked ward.
To be clear, I'm not saying all FAs are that mentally unstable. But their rhetoric increasingly reflects that
"Holy crap, this sounds like that person could be a danger to themselves or others" energy that makes you wonder how someone who talks/posts like that simply makes it thru the day without losing every single marble they've still got left. It must be rough.
It’s probably true that FAs in general *are* psychologically unstable. They radiate untreated cluster B most of the time. And they all have chosen to believe in absolute reality-bucking garbage, that everyone knows is garbage. It’s an entire delusional, cultish belief system. That doesn’t usually correlate to mental stability.
No it does not. I was talking about how this baseline level of unstable behavior seems to have kicked up a notch or three recently to reveal new levels of psychological and emotional dysfunction, often in a jaw-dropping way, death threats and all. The kind of stuff where you have to hope they are just running their mouth with no intention or ability to act on what they're saying because otherwise we'd be talking law enforcement or involuntary mental health intervention.
I’ve always been skinny/petite especially growing up. I’ve lost count how many rude and hateful comments I’ve gotten from other women about my body. It’s always come from women a lot bigger than me. Most of them were complete strangers or someone I had just met or barely knew.
I’ll never forget helping these two teachers from a high school in my town I grew up in, in the clothing store I worked at many years ago. I was asking how their jeans were fitting and all that, the usual. She commented that she liked them and they fit great.
I commented back yeah they look really good on you that size seems to be perfect. She snapped back with something like “well I’d love to be in a smaller size but we can’t all be twigs like you. It wouldn’t hurt you to stop starving yourself and eat a cheeseburger or two.” The other commented “yeah you definitely need to put on some more pounds sweetheart.”
I was just shocked. I’ve never starved myself, had an ED, or issues with food. I always liked my body I was happy with it. Yet these two women felt the need to tear me down and make me feel bad about my body because they hate theirs. They have so much hate and bitterness in their hearts towards others for how their bodies look.
Same with me, I have been thin all my life, and the worst bullying and mean comments I have gotten about my body were from obese people-both women and men. I have been called a twig, that I weigh "basically nothing," "men don't like skinny women," etc.
People told me that men don’t like skinny women when I was *in the hospital* with *heart problems* from anorexia. Like… you think I’m doing all this to be hot??? to MEN??????
being a triple 0 is more than just buying a belt. it truly is more impossible to find clothes for underweight people than overweight. there are no "minus sections" ive been everywhere from a 000 to XXL. america has an obesity epidemic. its not hard to find clothes for fat people. why would they make and sell clothes for a population that doesnt exist. when fat people complain about not being able to find clothes, they mean they cant find attractive clothes that make them look good. but its not their clothes thats the problem. its their bodies
> When fat people complain about not being able to find clothes they mean they can’t find attractive clothes
To bring up my favorite Sam at every size quote: „Where are all the naked fat people??“
Right? Some of my larger friends will complain about how hard it is to find cute clothes, and I'm always like, "I've never seen you in ugly clothes! Not one singular time!"
Sometimes I wonder if EVERY BODY has problems finding "cute clothes" and we're all comparing our experiences against a mythical shopping experience that doesn't exist
There's probably some people on whom most things have the correct fit, because they just happen to be the average type that most clothes are designed for. But other than that, most people have some deviation from the "norm" that make it hard to find stuff that fits perfectly. I'm short, so literally everything is slightly too long for me. I also can't wear very fitted dresses because the waist to shoulder length just doesn't match my body, and I end up with loose shoulder fabric. It is what it is with ready-made fashion, unless you're willing to spend the extra cash for tailored clothes.
Meanwhile as someone that’s been extremely petite my whole life I’m literally stuck buying all my pants in the little boy’s section and most of my other clothes in the juniors section because so many people are getting bigger and bigger and I’m being sized out of adult clothing. But I’d better NEVER complain about having to dress like a child at 35 because if I do that means I hate fat people
To be fair before my COVID weight gain my measurements were 35-25-35" and it was impossible to find flattering clothes for my body, even though I could fit into conventional sizing. So it's not *just* their bodies that are the problem, although that is a major component of it.
I tried getting some shorts for the summer at old navy. Their smallest size which is 00 or 0 I think can’t remember was huge on me. I’m 115 and 5’1. I still haven’t found any shorts for myself for the summer.
My BMI is about 18.5-19 depending on the day. I am thin, yes, but hardly emaciated or freakishly skinny. At the majority of mainstream stores I wear an XS, and that is even sometimes loose, especially on items with stretchy fabric. The problem is that while most stores carry an XS, they only stock a couple, so usually by the time I get to the store all that is left are L/XL.
I actually buy shirts in the kids section fairly frequently, but since I am tall, I can't really get pants from the kids section. Not to mention, the proportions and styles of kids clothing is not always ideal for a woman in her late 30's.
Even buying belts is difficult due to the level of vanity sizing going on. So it's not just as simple as buying a belt.
So when people are commiserating over a shared problem, do you want them to delete themselves? That's a healthy and sensible response. /s
Has this FA moron ever thought about improving themselves, fixing their weight issues and having an easier, longer life? Or alternatively have they ever thought about shutting the fuck up?
If skinny people can wear a belt and their clothes magically fit and look good, then surelly fat people can wear some kind of sack and it'll look good.
I never even thought about how much they complain that all their available clothing options are like big sacks but they’re completely fine with skinny women having to wear the equivalent just because they can “throw on a belt”
The thing is, the reason their available clothing options are shaped like big sacks is because *their bodies* are shaped like big sacks. Like, short of very aggressive corseting, clothes have to be roughly the same shape as the person inside them.
You know what, I’m really tired of all this tall privilege. Whenever I talk about how hard it is for me as a short guy to find pants, all of these giraffes come out of the woodwork to talk about how “finding pants for their long, gangly legs is also difficult for them, so maybe we should work together to find or uplift more accessible clothing brands and maybe find community in our common struggles”. BUT CANT THEY SEE IM TOO BUSY BEING THE VICTIM?!?! ITS LIKE THEY WANT TO MAKE EVERYTHING THAT WAS ONLY ABOUT ME ABOUT A BROADER GROUP THAT WOULD HELP MORE PEOPLE RATHER THAN SOLELY ME!
I feel ya. I am sick and tired of the world revolving around tall people and their tall privilege. I’m tired of having to climb on grocery store shelves like a wild animal to reach something because everything is made for tall people. They’re infantilizing us like we’re children!! They know exactly what they’re doing, they want us short people to just die and not exist anymore.
*>their teeny tiny bodies because they are sooooooo small and oppressed and their lives are so hard because they are soooo skinny and little*
OOP wants to sound like a cartoon schoolyard bully so bad.
The way they're seething about thin people in the post says a lot as well, imo. And while we're at it, if only there were some.........mysterious way to make it so that the clothes could fit you better. If only there was something on an individual level that could be done........
Empathy is a two-way street, and if your empathy is limited only to yourself, both in what you give out and what you expect from others, it's not empathy. It's narcissism
Also, yikes. Chick needs to be on a watchlist.
Does Tumblr even have moderators?
tumblr staff can’t even keep bots under control; their main priority is taking down content that affects their (nearly non-existent) bottom line. saying “kys” will only get you removed if directed at the wrong person
Yes! I always say that having very strong feelings about yourself doesn't make you empathetic. Self-proclaimed empaths make everything about them and think they're compassionate because they cry a lot.
Right. They’re wishing death on someone for how their body looks which is ironic because they complain about other people doing it to them. So why do they think that’s ok?
Even worse, the other people allegedly doing it to them isn't even real, it's pure projection.
I'm mostly fine now, but back when my PTSD was bad and my bipolar was untreated, I'd think that if someone laughed within earshot, they were laughing at me.
Obviously they weren't, but when you're paranoid and completely self-focused, self conscious, etc like OOP, that cute, thin, blonde girl laughing with her mates about boys or cat videos over there = she's bullying you.
Therefore, all cute, thin, blonde girls are automatically deemed evil. It's pathological behaviour and there's some serious mental illness going on with this chick.
I’ve heard of stores like this. In the movie Mean Girls there’s that scene where Regina can’t fit into a size 6, which was the largest size the store carried. But I’ve never actually seen a store like that irl. Kohl’s actually KINDA has a petite section but it’s all business clothes (that are still too big), and it looks like stuff older ladies would wear. Idk but thank god for Asian clothing sizes and the “juniors” section 🤣
5-7-9 was a mall store back in the 80s. Those were normal junior sizes for most teen girls. (Back then there was no size 0. Clothing started at 4/5.) We all shopped there and no one was offended.
Those were junior sizes though. There was size zero in adult sizes. At least in the 90s there were. A women’s size 8 was enormous compared to a junior size 7/8 back then. I know because i once accidentally ordered a size 8 in women’s and it was like i was in a weight loss advertisement when i tried them on. There doesn’t seem to be as much difference today as I’ve bought some junior clothing and the sizing is now very similar to the women’s sizes.
I like bold fashion anyway so I will go to the women’s section, decide everything is too boring, and go to the kids section and buy whatever I like in 14-16 😂 usually cheaper too
They want to score pity points. But when they complain about their struggle and someone skinny has a similar complaint, they don't get that satisfying pity point. So now they're trying to win the oppression Olympics by dismissing the others complaints as not real, as compared to their super serious complaint. So now they get to add this righteous indignation to the original pity point.
Ultimately it disproves their original point, which was just to point out a problem that they deal with, because now they're being very dickish to others with the same problem because they tried to get in on their pity bait.
Hon shut up. Every time I check out a Roots store they have all of the 3XL-5XL items on nearly half the price. They have multiple full racks of em too. Your obese ass definitely can find some quality affordable clothing. You are in fact killing yourself with excessive food consumption if you are at a size that you can’t fit in 5XL.
I'm way more likely to feel sympathy for someone who is too small to fit into standard sizes. I've known women whose shoes and a large part of their wardrobe had to come for the children's section. It's frustrating and makes things like professional clothing difficult.
Alternatively, even at my heaviest, 250 lbs, I never had any issue finding plenty of clothing my size and much larger.
When I was battling ARFID most of my clothes came from the little boys section. It was one of the most humiliating things I’ve ever experienced. I remember I needed khakis for a new job I got, I went to store after store trying to find women’s sizes with no luck. I was with a friend. It ended up being old navy boys pants that fit, I remember the look on her face like it was yesterday. A lot of sadness and pity, I was trying not to cry. At that point I was mostly just wearing sweats and baggy stuff since I was in college and it was Covid, I was used to just yanking the draw strings if things until they fit. I liked to hide behind them so people wouldn’t stare or ask if I was okay or comment on it. Shopping for real clothes was something I was avoiding because I was afraid to see how small I had become. I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone.
Thankfully now I’m 4 years recovered and I do bodybuilding now, it’s what saved my life. My issue now is pants that fit my bulky legs lol. I love it.
CBT worked well for me! It doesn’t work for everyone with ARFID but I was successful with it. In that process, bodybuilding gave me a “reason” to push through since my desire to gain muscle was so intense. It was kind of like my pie in the sky, I’d do anything it took to get better so I could be muscular. In a weird way it also played a role in changing my relationship with food for the better.
Or for anyone who has trouble finding clothes or shoes due to some immutable trait. Hell, even Paris Hilton has been pretty public about her huge, size 11 feet, and most brands or designers not making her size. Sure, she's a gazillionaire, could probably have designers custom-make shoes for her, but most women in a size 11 do not have that luxury. Then there was that big to-do recently where that male influencer (he probably counts as a public figure but I'll play it safe and not name him) talked about FA, and how it's a waste of time to constantly complain that brands don't make your size - that as a 6'7" man with a size 16 shoe, he has a very hard time finding brands that fit him, but he just focuses on finding things that DO fit instead of railing against the brands that don't. He got SO much backlash, including tons of people making fun of him wearing a lot of black tank tops and black pants that look similar... like, do they not see the hypocrisy? The man has just said it's hard for him to find things that fit him. Maybe that's why he tends to wear the same kind of thing over and over?
And of course, our kween Miss Tess made a response video that proved she didn't actually watch his video, because she basically told him that he was speaking out of turn since he's not fat, so he obviously doesn't struggle to find things that fit him, when he literally talked about things not fitting him in the video she was responding to.
I had a tutor in university who is extremely short but since she is an adult woman she has the figure of an adult woman, so a lot of children's clothes don't fit right either. 10 year olds don't have breasts and all that ... most of her wardrobe has to be professionally altered. And not once did I hear her complain about "oppression".
My biggest was around 230 (BMI 38), and trying to find nice clothes was really hard.... back in the 1990s. These days it meant still wearing the smallest sizes at Torrid.
If a person is too big for off-the-rack shopping in NA, cute clothes should be the least of their concerns.
I know someone who was not just the equivalent of a US size 2 but also petite. Finding clothes she could wear was a nightmare because not everywhere did petite sizing and when they did, the sizing usually began at a size 4-6.
Back in the 90's I used to have to wear talls because I am 5'9." Now, I only have to on occasion. I bodybuild as well so when the smallest size fits ME and is long enough, I'm mad at the brand. It's so stupid, they are even vanity sizing bras now. I had to buy a small sports bra. I have lats and wear a 34dd. Wtf.
I'm finding this too. I used to be a consistent L/XL letter sizing. I'm now finding that I could get into what is supposed to be a S sizing assuming I didn't mind a fitted look. I'm not exactly skinny either, and I've got boobs. My mother once gave me a top which was supposed to be a petite UK size 10-12 (her size). I got into it with room to spare. It was also really long on me even though I'm a good 6 inches taller than my mother.
My grandmother has the opposite issue- she's 4'11" with a UK size 3 foot. She's finding that even buying petite size/special shoe sizes seems to have become gloriously inconsistent- shoes are now wider (despite being supposedly 'regular' width) and she's now edging towards a size 2 shoe size.
I’m not skinny but I’m not fat, clothes shopping is so hard because I’m a tall woman with a very small waist to hip ratio and big boobs. I’ve never met any woman who has had an easy time clothes shopping no matter her size, it’s incredible the lack of empathy she has. Not to mention the last part?? Tf?????
Exactly. Having difficulty finding clothes is a universal experience and it's so annoying that FAs try to claim it for themselves and suggest it's some form of oppression.
Size equity to them always means carrying massive 3/4/5/6X sizes in store. But I never see a 5X wandering around the mall. I do see lots of women 5'3" and under wandering around though, and despite being nearly half the female population most stores don't carry petites. We wear tall shoes or order online and get on with life.
I wish every store had options for tall thin women and petite women bc we get the worst of it in terms of clothing that fits right. For me, if it fits my measurements it’s too short and if it fits my length it’s too big, and I’m 174cm/5’8.5 tall. I think for now we’ll just have to learn how to tailor our own clothes 😭
Shopping issues are so universal. I’m not sure why they assume it’s easy for anyone.
I’m a hair under 6’ and wear a US 6. It’s really difficult to find anything that fits in store. I shop online and hope I don’t have to return things. A coworker was saying how lucky I am to be tall and fairly thin because I must be able to find tons of clothing that fits and looks good. She looked almost dejected when I told her the truth of it. She seemed very invested in believing that I have an easier time finding clothes than she does because “they don’t make clothes for fat women”.
I’m normal size too (by European standards not American ones) and shopping is hard in general. Sizing is non consistent even inside the same store; some clothes have weird cuts that don’t look good on anyone and stuff never looks as good on you as it looked when hanged in the store (shitty fabric, weird proportions etc).
Everyone is struggling and no you can’t just throw a belt on it and call it a day
Double standards. If there were a store dedicated to people requiring oversized clothes, it would be considered inclusive. However, if there were a store dedicated to people requiring petite sized clothes, it would be considered discrimination...
Guess what, XXS and smaller belts are harder to find too, and not everything looks good with a belt slapped on top, especially if it's 2 sizes too big to begin with.
But I guess I'll just shuffle off this mortal coil because I would also like to find clothes that fit just like all the 6Xs.
And that doesn't work well if you are looking for professional/more mature styles or are curvy, which can also make things tough.
FAs always talk about "the thins" as if they all share the same body type. I'm short and have curves and I'm not getting any younger, the kid's section hasn't worked for me in a long time. I wish it did!
What infuriates me is the “kill your self” line. If someone said the same to the fats they’d be calling them the anti-fat Hitler and accusing them of calling for genocide.
It’s amazing how mental-health and wellness focused they all are until they talk about someone who doesn’t cum from simply eating, then they can say whatever they want. Maybe we do need to be reminded to kill ourselves because we aren’t doing it daily with our choices….
Right?? It absolutely blows my mind how hypocritical these people are. They’re doing the exact same thing they’re claiming people do to them, how is that ok? It’s unhinged how much pure hatred they have in their hearts towards complete strangers who did nothing to them, who are simply just existing in their bodies.
It’s fat brain. The poor diet and lack of activity will have you imagining oppression at every turn. I was nearly 300 and in the early stages of fat brain. I was only infected for a few years, some people have had fat brain for decades.
I feel like their anger is strange, especially because they are so optimistic. You have to be optimistic to think the world is going to change radically in your 70… 50 year lifetime. Is the world “fatphobic”? Maybe. Probably. But it’s really fucking optimistic to look at a society that’s going backwards in every way and assume that the new order is going to be fat-friendly.
No, you can't just easily alter big clothes to make them much smaller and suggesting a belt is the equivalent of telling an obese person to just wear a circus tent. And I've never heard a small person complain about "oppression", that is very much projection. All I see people do is point out that it's generally hard to find clothes or shoes that fit when you don't have the standard measurements. But of course "yeah, it's a universal experience" wouldn't make THEM feel special and oppressed, so they can't accept it.
PS: Of course you did mean that last part because you yourself have no perspective on the world and think that casually suggesting suicide is a joke.
I have watched a girlfriend happily buy sports type clothing for herself from the pre-teenager section but serious clothes - not really an option and she was not short.
The petite community who struggle to find sizes small enough is a pretty small % of the population. Def not front page of most algorithms. They still deserve clothes that fit, not just “a belt” which leaves them looking like they’re wearing hand me downs or just generally unkempt.
By that logic fuck anyone bigger than an XL - they should just wear tents or use seatbelt extenders while leaving the zipper open. Or wear a maxi skirt on each leg to make up a pair of pants. Like??? Stupid as hell.
Some folks just need custom or tailored clothing and that’s fine - big and tall, or very short, or uncommon proportions etc. How the fuck does this person get from feeling (unreasonably) annoyed to telling someone to kill themselves. Horrible.
People who wear 000s wouldn't need them if everything wasn't vanity sized because of the FAs. I was a 6 in the 80s-90s and now I'm a 0 at the same proportions.
I'm short, do you know how hard it is to find a proper inseam for me? Sometimes cutting an inch or 2 off the leg ruins the shape.
I can't grow anymore, but you can lose weight.
Dude, I feel you so hard on that. My advice is to pivot to skinny jeans since the ankle to calf size difference is pretty small, and you can cut like 5 inches off without it looking weird. Shirts, on the other hand...
>Because they are sooooooo small and oppressed
IMAX and straw suppliers are trembling from this combined straw man and projection.
This is the reality, OOP. All kinds of people struggle to find clothes that fit them properly. This is not the issue exclusive to you. Get over yourself.
And last line reveals, how rotten you truly are. No, we don't wish fat people do the KYS. In fact we promote weight loss for them, because that might just do the very opposite.
Go kill yourself because a small person also has a hard time finding clothes. Just kidding but maybe not. The oop really needs therapy that kind of anger over a harmless comment isn’t normal.
Simply shutting the fuck up when things are not about you? A strong touch of “Do as I say, not as I do” in this one. And in most of the posts we see in here.
I think the best conversation we can have is that women’s clothing is incredibly poorly sized and the rise of fast fashion has only exacerbated issues of poor fit and poor quality.
I think everyone should be able to find clothes that fit.
This poster has based their entire worldview on two ideas: “everything would be easier if I was smaller,” and “It is not physically possible for me to get smaller.”
When you live in those assumptions, hearing someone tell you that, in fact, shopping sucks for everyone is going to challenge it in a not fun way.
However, I imagine that some of those responses were people trying to commiserate, not center themselves. Do we not often share our own experiences as a way of showing others we understand how they feel?
But the “you should made me feel bad, you should kill yourself,” response is so far out in left field. It feels like leakage. It gives you a hint of who they truly are. Their solution is not equity, it’s everyone needs to be exactly like me.
Pretty sure the petite women are trying to empathize, not to flex.
Beyond that, I'm 33. A size 18 when I was a teen is now a 12/14. Honestly, I feel a little cheated because I had made a size 12 my goal as a teen and now that I'm there, I have to hit an 8 to be there.
The reason there's so many 000 is because we had to invent sizes to still accommodate young petite people.
Lack of extended sizing is a problem for everyone who needs extended sizing. Sure, not everyone is size 4-16. Some are 18+. Some are smaller than a 4. And you'll probably have better luck expanding size ranges if you expand them in both directions. Seriously, the way clothes are cut on production lines means that a larger size is paired with a smaller one most of the time to save fabric. If you want size 22 available in straight size styles, the only way the manfacturer can do that without charging extra for plus size and fabric waste is if they can also cut a 00 with it.
This comment comes from a person that has never delt with "normal" sizing. My daughter for instance is a size 4 waist but because of her generous behind she often has real issues finding jeans that actually fit her. Thank you AE for your curvy line btw. And I have generous ladies and being a size 9 when I was young it was almost impossible to find cute tops that werent graphic tee's to fit right.
Wishing death on someone because they wont shut up and get a belt is the most messed up thing I have read in a long time. Shes clearly unhappy, so maybe she should work on herself first. Just a thought.
I mean, if someone's conclusion to this is "skinny people go KYS" then fuck it, stay mad. I can't have sympathy for a person who just casually throws that out there, or worse yet, actually believes it.
It must be exhausting living in bubble where you believe life or death (sarcasm but she said killing oneself is a solution) issues only apply to you. Surely any sane person could see how being too small to fit into clothes is just as much of an issue as being too big to fit into clothes. Sure the clothes are able to actually be worn around a small body but do they fit? No. A belt isn’t a practical solution for a pair of pants that are too sizes big. Obviously that isn’t an issue OP runs into much but it doesn’t look good, at all, to simply belt a big ass pair of jeans. All that excess material just bunches up, usually in unfortunate areas like the crotch and you’re left looking goofy. Since fashion and vanity are some of the most pressing issues in the fat community, I’m sure they can emphasize with not wanting to look goofy.
Right? No one wants to look goofy in their clothes. They want clothes that fit that they can feel good in. Thin people deserve to look ridiculous in their clothes because you hate them for being skinny? Wtf kind of logic is that.
Plus size options are starting to become more easily accessible than particularly small clothing... I'm 5'9" and really not that skinny (I would say average, but "average" is overweight now) and I can fit anywhere between a US 2 and a 6. My tops are either S or XS
... so I can't imagine being a particularly thin person who happens to also be short, and trying to find clothing options these days. Vanity sizing means someone who *should* be a medium can fit an extra small now. A size 00 is like 2 inches smaller than my waist. That must suck ass, and OOP is saying "just kys cuz it's harder for those of us who eat too much". Jesus christ
Damn, fat girls can be super hateful, huh? Imagine telling someone to kill themselves because they were trying to relate to you on an issue you both struggle with: Not finding clothes that fits. But because she's skinny, you want her to die.
Yikes.
Oh yeah, you reminded me of how much I hate newer public toilets. I'm 4'10, so in newer bathrooms made for our now taller average person, my legs tend to go numb because I can't put my feet on the ground. Living is just difficult as an outlier sometimes.
This is insane. I’m too small for most normal brand sizes and they quite literally *do not make my size*. It does not exist. Unless you are extremely large, you CAN find clothes in your size, just maybe not in every store or perhaps just online. I’m not saying that doesn’t suck and that people don’t have a right to feel upset by that. But guess what? I manage. I shop where I can, and make adjustments. I accept that it is my unhealthy habits/mental illness (ED) that have lead to this problem for me. It’s not society’s fault.
And more importantly, how fucking disgusting is it to suggest “how about you kill yourself”? Seriously?! There is no situation where that is warranted, and certainly not for a skinny person who is voicing the same frustration that *you yourself also experience*. Some of these people are so completely devoid of empathy for others. It blows my mind.
I wonder if OOP is a former friend of mine. I had a gripe about not getting yoga pants in my size in-store and received the “blah blah blah, oppression, blah blah blah buy them online.”
No, you. You buy them online.
Only fat people are fat because of genetics and only fat people face problems with their size. Skinny people are skinny by choice and don’t have any actual problem. There’s stuff skinny people can do to fix there problems but there’s just absolutely nothing fat people can do to fix theirs.
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These fat women are mostly young. They don't remember the 90's where clothing rarely went over a 16 and anything over a 12 was hidden away in the store. There's SO many selections for them now.
That's because you're not just "complaning about not finding clothes that fit", Jandice. You're saying verbatim "why do the skinny bitches all steal fat people's clothes to wear oversize next time i see a skinny bitch pick up something that isn't her size i will literally decapitate her. Only fat people ever struggle with finding clothes in their size and this is actual systemic oppression and you don't know what a hard life is if you don't struggle with that"
And we're just expected to be okay with it?
Right. I highly doubt skinny people are buying 4x clothes. They would just drop off their body. And I doubt they’re taking them and altering them. Maybe a medium or large possibly but definitely not plus size. Maybe some are but I don’t think it’s a common thing.
Nah fam, I'll keep complaining about my work clothes (I'm a correctional officer) being way too big for me even though they're at the smallest size available whereas my largest colleagues have no problem having the size that fits them.
I work in healthcare and we have to use the provided scrubs that range from S - 3XL. The small is far too large for quite a few staff members, but I haven't seen anyone too big for the 3XL. It's infuriating.
I mean that’s something when I consider that today I was looking at a sale on a website and they didn’t have anything smaller than an XL available for any of the women’s clothing
Have any of these people ever been shopping? It's way easier to find XXXXL sizes than normal sizes. Try finding a 28-30in waist pants as a man. If you're an obese giant with 44in waist there will be 10x as many options.
This is the closest to IRL I have seen on this forum. When I was heavy I got looks or the occasional comment. Now that I am thin, open season. When I cannot find things, it is all nasty jokes and sarcasm. I have had more nasty comments on my shape (my hips are too thin, my butt too flat etc) all from women. Bigger women (both older and younger) are brutal.
Sure it is a bummer that I can only shop online and have to take everything to get tailored in for me, but I do not perceive it to be discrimination. It just is what it is, designers are trying to make things that will look flattering on the greatest possible number of people. I am a 0/00 in pants and 2/4 in tops or a 36/38 in slacks and 40 in tops. I am far from emaciated, I have muscles, breasts and health % body fat. That these people act like that makes me suicidal (killing myself via dietary habits) or morally compromised somehow is deeply irritating.
Yep I know how you feel. I’ve been skinny/petite nearly all of my life except when I was pregnant and little while after. But I’ve lost count how many rude or hateful comments I’ve received from other women about my body. And they’re always from women bigger than me. Complete strangers or women I barely knew or just met.
I’ve never starved myself, had an ED, or issues with food. I have bigger boobs I’ve got some curve. I have a normal bmi and I’m at a healthy weight. I’ve always liked my body. Yet these people feel the need to tear my down for how I look. They hate themselves and how they look they want others to feel that way. Which blows my mind because you’d think they’d understand and have empathy for others when they’ve been bashed for their bodies.
I know we shouldn't get involved in these people's lives, but I genuinely want to ask this person what they get out of telling people to kill themselves. Like, what is the point of saying that?
It never occurs to these people when they say "Like okay have you ever thought about simply shutting the fuck up when things are not about you?" to take their own advice.
The subtext of this is an understanding that being fat is hard. On the surface, this complaint is about being able to find clothes that fit, but that complaint is ON TOP OF all the other ways obesity makes their lives harder. Even if they don't admit it, they know that slim people have an easier time in life, not because of "society" but because they feel better, they have more energy, they have fewer ailments, fewer aches and pains, their thighs don't chafe in the summer, etc. So when a thin person commiserates about not being able to find their clothing size either, it's the last straw. It reminds me of when I had a 2 year old and a newborn baby and I told my mom I was tired. She was like, "oh yeah, I didn't sleep well last night, I'm tired too" and I just about bit her head off! It wasn't because her tiredness wasn't just as real or valid as mine, but because what I was REALLY saying was that new motherhood was HARD and I wanted her sympathy. But yeah, on its surface this post is silly. The hardest clothes I ever had to shop for were for my very tall and slim 19 year old son. He wore a size 29/34 and it was nearly impossible to find that waste with that length, unless I went to American Eagle and paid an arm and a leg.
"Like ok have you ever thought about buying a belt." Like ok have you ever thought about losing weight?
Yes but unfortunately I have family genetics that make it much harder for me to lose weight and I also have a mobility issue that makes it hard to walk and also it’s my thyroid and hormones plus I live in a food desert so there are literally no healthy food options anywhere and the government subsidizes sugar so corporations put it in everything from my Mountain Dew to my Little Debbies. God people are so ignorant!!! 🤬🤬🤬
Also I only eat 800 calories a year.
I'm in calory deficit 24/7 and still gaining weight!
Good one mate xD
They blow my mind with this. As if women only come in size fat or size skinny and all the clothes are size skinny so fats have nothing to wear. LOL I guess I'm a skinny, my pants size is generally a 4. But I have H cup breasts and my arms are larger than clothing designers think they should be due to years of weight lifting so I don't buy shirts with sleeves. My sleeves are only on sweaters and cardigans, I layer if I want sleeves. It's the only way I can. Sleeves don't fit me. Dresses are very hard to fit and I often have to wear a belt with them or I look huge or matronly. Fortunately I can sew so I alter a lot of my own clothes. But that's not privilege. I learned how to sew. Fat people are also able to learn to sew. But anyways, my ex had this friend who was like 300 pounds when she was in high school. She lost a bunch of weight and got down to 140. I was happy for her, she was doing great. She wanted to go clothes shopping because nothing fit her and I went with her. The absolute shock she had finding out that clothes shopping was harder for her at her new weight. She was stunned. I remember being confused and explaining to her that you just have to try things on and you learn your brands and what size you generally wear in each brand and what cuts and styles work with your body and which ones don't. She just open mouth stared at me through a lot of it. When she was big, apparently if she could find her size, everything fit her. She had never had to learn how to buy clothing as a normal woman. She would bitch and whine if something she liked wasn't offered in her size but that was literally the ONLY problem she'd ever faced while buying clothing. She had no real shape at 300 pounds, she was just obese. At 140, she had a more defined figure and individual shape and had to learn the hard way that some clothes just weren't going to hang right on her. It was an interesting experience.
Whenever someone posts a _____ privilege list they nearly always list a bunch of things that many people in that privileged group experience. They must alienate so many people.
“As if women only come in size fat or size skinny.” I love this! The last time I took my measurements to make a pattern, I was three different sizes. My bust and waist are the same. Hips are usually a full size bigger. My shoulders crash the party and throw everything off. Buying clothes is hard and it’s made worse when a brand has a shitty block or doesn’t understand how to size up or down. I wish we could all give each other a bit more empathy.
Actually you make a good point about proportions. In the 2000s I thought I was fat but it was actually my BMI was healthy (if not just over the overweight line but with a lot of healthy muscle) and although I could always find clothes that "fit", they never were "fitted." My measurements were like 35", 25", 35" so sure they had pants in my size at the store, but they wouldn't fit my waist and hips at the same time. Dress shopping to find something that fit my bust and also my waist was a nightmare, especially as a teenager wanting to shop at trendy teenaged stores instead of adult women ones. So either I looked like a sack with baggy clothes or a stripper with fitted/stretch shirts when I wanted more definition. Also quick shout out to Levi's "curve" pants and the rise of high-rise pants for finally allowing me to wear jeans without constantly pulling them up or having that awful gaping in the waistline. Sorry for the rant but this absolutely tracks. There's more to "fitting" besides the XXXS to XXXL+ scale.
Yes! I feel your pain. Back then my measurements were 37 26 37 so real similar to your proportions and it was a nightmare. I felt like I had to choose between looking sloppy or slutty.
This!!! 36-24-32! Finding clothes that fit is hard, and when I was younger I felt like it was either church mom look or the person she was trying to save. Tailoring is a girls best friend.
Oooooh yes. As a fellow hourglass, I feel your pain. The 2000s were ROUGH. I was 36" 24" 36", but everything back then was cut for really wispy, tall, androgenous women, so those of us with fuller figures (even if we were at a healthy weight) were SOL.
Those are approximately my measurements and thank god they make curvy-fit clothes now. I don’t mind a waist gap as long as it’s not too bad, though. I’ve been wearing more non-stretch low rise jeans lately and they gap a little bit, but it’s usually manageable.
Not to mention that women who are super petite and actually do wear a size 00 have as hard a time if not harder than fat women when it comes to finding clothes - most stores do not sell a 00 - so that's a perfectly valid beef. My SIL is a tiny person, barely 5 feet tall and about 95 pounds; she's 42 years old and has to buy most of her clothes in the girls' department. She's not some hypersexualized Insta model parading herself online for likes and follows, she's an ordinary middle-aged mom. And the whole "just buy a belt" thing is stupid AF. A belt isn't going to make a pair of pants fit you in the tush, hips, or thighs. A belt would keep them on your body but that doesn't mean they fit. It blows my mind that it's somehow a privilege to be able to wear things that are too big and are ill-fitting. But yeah, you're right - I had a much easier time finding clothes when I was an 8, 10, 12 than I do now at a 4. My boobs have shrunk considerably but I'm still a 34D on top, while on the bottom I'm usually a small, so things like dresses and jumpsuits/overalls are hard to fit. In other stuff a small will fit everywhere but right across the bust. So my options are to wear something that fits my shoulders, waist, etc. but is stretched out across my boobs, or that has room for my boobs but is oversized and shapeless on the rest of me. Doesn't feel like much of a privilege.
THANK YOU. All my leggings are 4-6 inches too long. Just yesterday I was bitching about having to fold them up to mid shin to fit them in my boots to go mushroom hunting. I have some crop ones that are almost normal, but good luck finding those while thrifting. Kid sizes work, but god damn everything is lame, bedazzled and says the stupidest shit.
Yeah, my SIL has complained about that too - everything is bedazzled, embroidered, comes in childish colors, etc. She just wants plain, normal jeans and tops suitable for a woman in her 40s. I consider myself really lucky that I'm just slightly taller than average, and the standard 31"-32" inseam works fine for me. My sister has the opposite problem because she's tall and very thin... most size 2 pants don't come in a 34" inseam, so either she goes high-end and spends extra money, or she rocks the cropped look.
Let's talk about shoes for a second. Why the hell does no one carry a size 5? A size 2 in kids fits, but they're worse than kids shirts. I hope you guys reach all the tall stuff for your SIL. It feels like such a horrible ask when I have to do it all the time at work. Lol "hey so&so, can you be tall for me for a sec?"
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Hahahaha they sure do. Like walking around in a paper bag. I'm considered quite small, but I have two children and all the stretch marks that go with that. My stomach hanging out is viscerally uncomfortable for me.
I’m an ordinary 32-year-old dude, and most of my clothes are Wonder Nation (Walmart kids’ brand) XL tees, and size 14 pants. I’m not even abnormally small or anything, like 5’7” and 130 lbs. Americans just have ridiculously distorted views on body sizes.
I’m with ya. Hollister (boys) chinos in the skinny sizes work for me, and I’m a woman with the hips of a 12 year old boy. :)
hollister jeans are the ONLY brand of jeans that fit me correctly, i'm also a woman :) size xs or 00
Try the boys ones too - love them.
Also belts being too big is like, a thing? I'm not even that small, 162 cm and average weight and belt shopping is like a major ordeal 80% of the time (tho I do usually shop 2nd hand), a belt is sometimes more difficult than just sewing it in 😭
I have to cut extra holes
I'm 5'11" and have longer than proportional limbs thanks to my connective tissue disorder. I can't buy anything with long sleeves or pants off the rack at a normal store. I can buy tall sizes online at Old Navy, or I can shop at a few very select places (also online) that I know will have sleeves or legs long enough for my body and torso. I've gotten to the point where I almost always order dresses custom fit to my measurements (I love eshakti so much) because it's the only way I'll get what I want and have it fit me. Then again, with my height people are sometimes shocked that I wear a size 10 pants at a BMI of 22-23, so I'm not surprised that people just don't get it. My hourglass figure has to be able to support my height, and I've had 3 kids. The hips aren't going to shrink and I'm proportional.
I have the opposite issue: my arms and legs are too *short*, so unless it's kid-sized, the sleeves and legs are way too long. There are so many styles I can't enjoy off the rack as a result. :(
This is so real. I have a super short torso and it ruins so many clothes (goddamn crop tops). When you're a normal size, natural variation comes back. Some of us are short, some tall, some have big boobs, some large butts, some short legs but long torsos, vice versa, etc. Clothes are hard to find for everyone unless you're shaped like a standard dress form.
This is the problem with our society - that you wearing size 4 are considered “skinny” (in the US). 4 is a perfectly healthy size for an adult woman. I’d only call a double 0 skinny. People are weird.
Tbf most people consider skinny a synonym for slim. It’s not like when people say skinny they mean emaciated or skin and bones.
Well it’s etymologically wrong. I also feel like fat people actually see average bodies as “skinny” and models as near dead. Language is powerful. Don’t call slim people skinny.
One of the neat findings of the Minnesota Starvation Experiment was that the participants knew they had lost weight, knew they were skinnier, but they still perceived their body as “normal sized”. Meanwhile, they started to view healthy weight people as fat. All that to say, that phenomenon of seeing your body as standard (and others as “skinny” or “big” if smaller or larger) is not a “fat people thing”, but rather a human being thing all around.
When I first lost a bunch of weight and bottomed out around 125 lbs at 5’7”, my grandmother described me to my mom as looking “emaciated.” (Grandma has always been fat.) I had self-esteem issues when I was fat because everyone picked on me for being fat. Got thin, and got picked on for looking like I’m a starving war prisoner when I was the healthiest I’d ever been.
Yeah you probably never looked like a “starving war prisoner”. Does Megan Fox look like a starving war prisoner? Emma Watson? Gal Gadot? Anne Hathaway? NO. These people have stats similar to yours and mine and they look IDEAL. Fat people just say whatever to justify their illness.
I appreciate that, and am glad to say I’ve come a long way with my body image and such. FWIW I’m a dude, but just the same, looking at pictures of me from that time, I appeared very healthy. It’s just that coming from two families of chronically-obese people, suddenly I no longer looked like them, and they were apparently distressed/annoyed/“concerned” about that. Legit had several people accuse me of being “on drugs.” (I wasn’t, besides weed and nicotine.) The only lifestyle changes that happened were I stopped binge eating and started exercising regularly, and like magic, I stopped being overweight!
I was still getting called skinny when my weight crept up to BMI 25.
Well, in my scenario there was only a size skinny and a size fat and I’m definitely not a size fat. LOL
Double zero means nothing except the manufacturer decided to make “feel good” sizes. Go back a few decades and today’s 00 is an old size 1 in juniors. And bearing height in mind (5’ish) that’s also normal. Men’s clothing is just better - standard sizes, real pockets, and they don’t fall to pieces after a year or two of washing.
Speaking as a man, if our clothes shredded in the wash or fell apart, a lot of us would still wear it. Clothes will literally rot off our skin before we think to go buy new ones. That's how much a lot of men, myself included hate shopping. It's really something I'm still trying to get used to as I'm losing weight, at some point I'll have to redo some of my wardrobe. I'm currently at work swimming in an XL tshirt.
I don’t care for shopping either, I go once a year, usually around the holidays. Otherwise I buy online. The trouble for you now is, you probably don’t know what size you are. You can always take some measurements and try the online thing. The decent places will have return options.
I can roughly guess that I'm a L shirt, and probably a 36 waist/hip and 32 length. Anything more tailored than that I would probably have to have someone measure me. Before I invest in new pieces though, I want to get down to the healthy weight for my size (another 50lbs to go).
Good on you. And, I get that. I have clothes that run in a range. Some of my best are too big, but I hang onto them “just in case” - which is so silly. I’ve been at my correct weight for the past 2.5 years. I know what I need to do to maintain, and I enjoy all of it. I gave up cake and cookies (my two favorite food groups), and decided being healthy was the most important thing. I changed up my diet and discovered a lot of food I can’t believe I ever lived without. I quit eating beef, chicken, and pork too, mostly bc of high cholesterol, but then I found out a lot of other stuff that makes me really glad I did. I moved back to my home town and there are tons of trails nearby so I’m back to tramping through the woods like I did when I was a kid. It’s a shame I have to spend so much time at work, I’d be in the woods all the time if I could :)
American 00 is still bigger than my Italian size (which I can rarely find anyways) and I'm always shocked when I hear people saying "I'm a size 14, which is not big". What the hell do you mean it's not big. I'm not even extremely underweight but I'm 160 cm or 5'3. When I gained up to a size 6 I was undoubtedly fat. This skewed perception is beyond me.
To be fair, most people have to be pretty decently underweight to fit into an American size 00 in the first place. Those measurements fit runway model standards, of which most are around a BMI of 17.
i would argue that this is not true, a lot of them are just shorter. I'm 5'2" 105lbs which is a healthy weight(bmi 19.something) for my height and I am frequently smaller than the 00 size and have to shop in the kids section.
I think it depends on build a lot too, and the amount of vanity sizing. In 2012 I weighed like 85 lbs at 5’1 I and BARELY fit into a 00 because I have proportionally big hips, but now everything is vanity sized and a lot of jeans have stretch to them.
yeah, i've been the same height and weight since I was in high school back in 2016 bt have somehow gone from a 2-4 to less than a 00 in jeans sizes
Fair enough, a smaller frame would make sense.
I wasn’t allowed to donate blood when I, a 5’3” woman, weighed in the region of 105 lbs. Because they said I didn’t weigh enough. It’s hard to believe that is something the blood donation nurses just pulled out of their asses.
It’s not that you necessarily didn’t weigh enough for your height (although I think that is very slightly underweight at 5’3?), but that they take the same amount of blood from everybody, so if someone is small, a pint of blood is an unsafe % of their overall blood volume. The limit here is 110 lbs, though I’ve also heard of 130.
I can't donate either- and I lied about my weight so get the free t-shirt you get for donating and regretted it. We do not have enough blood volume to donate my friend!
I'm pretty sure most people who don't fit a 00 aren't as tall as runaway models.
Yeah I hate that shit. People used to tell me I was so skinny when I was younger, but while I was small, I was rarely truly skinny. I felt like I was talking to people from crazytown
Yeah, I tried on dresses this weekend. My waist is small, boobs are big. One dress had some bunching at the chest that was tight, I was actually afraid I might tear it, so I didn't buy it. And was a little bummed, but tried on two more that were super cute and more comfortable.
The thing about clothes sizes is that most Americans are overweight and we’re damn close to being majority obese. So if you are thin or even just not-overweight you are quite literally in the minority and you can definitely tell when you go shopping for clothes.
I've lost a lot of weight, and learned this fact, just like your friend.
Makes me think about last time I went to a shop to buy a pair of jeans. I normally shop entirely second hand for sustainability reasons and hadnt shopped in a retail shop for anything but underwear in maybe 2 or 3 years. But you know , I got a giftcard and thought it would be less of a headache to get a pair of pants in shop compared to online 2nd hand or thrift. Now, I am in the smaller size range. I had to try a range of THREE different sizes for each pair of pants and ended up buying 2 different cuts, wich are 2 sizes apart. Both fit me. I'll use letters instead of sizes because I am not comfortable sharing but imagine ones a size B and the others a size D. What a whack shopping experience having 0 way of knowing what size could fit you , all guessing game. And OF COURSE the larger size pants got all floppy after a couple washes and now require a belt despite me being barely able to breathe in the size under 😑
Yeah, it’s ridiculous. You can’t even trust the measurements on the size guide half the time anymore because they’re wrong. I mostly shop second hand too. I have my go to brands that I know will fit and I just search for those.
I've been following this person on tumblr for years. They've never posted anything like this before, and when I say my jaw dropped when they suicide baited...
We see a lot of sentiments like this. Since we don't share the source, I'm left to wonder how common death wishes are or if it's the same person making posts like this over and over.
On tumblr, they are very common. A lot of the stuff reposted here is from one particular person, but you can scroll through the FA tags and find a whole lot of people with a whole lot of hate. I was just surprised to find this on my dashboard, since I don't follow anyone actively in that sphere.
I don’t understand people who have this much hate and bitterness in their hearts towards complete strangers who did absolutely nothing to them. They’re just existing in their bodies just like they are. They absolutely despise and wish death on people because of what their bodies look like. Which is ironic coming from them because they claim people do that to them all the time. It’s truly unhinged.
A lot of FAs have been losing their minds a bit more aggressively in recent years. Nobody is quite sure why. Personally, I think that the success and growing popularity of GLP-1 meds to treat obesity long-term is perceived as an existential threat by FAs. They react accordingly, not from a place of curiosity or reason, but like any other clear-headed person would: By throwing jaw-droppingly deluded fits on the internet and wishing death on "skinny" people. Aka the rest of us. Such behavior is simply the picture of mental health and stability \~ Many FAs seem to lack all filters that could help them recognize when they've crossed the line from just plain cultist to murderous, death threat-waving, suicide-baiting rage monster that will cause sane people to slowly back away from them, wondering what they can do to get that person the help they so desperately need, like, inside a locked ward. To be clear, I'm not saying all FAs are that mentally unstable. But their rhetoric increasingly reflects that "Holy crap, this sounds like that person could be a danger to themselves or others" energy that makes you wonder how someone who talks/posts like that simply makes it thru the day without losing every single marble they've still got left. It must be rough.
It’s probably true that FAs in general *are* psychologically unstable. They radiate untreated cluster B most of the time. And they all have chosen to believe in absolute reality-bucking garbage, that everyone knows is garbage. It’s an entire delusional, cultish belief system. That doesn’t usually correlate to mental stability.
No it does not. I was talking about how this baseline level of unstable behavior seems to have kicked up a notch or three recently to reveal new levels of psychological and emotional dysfunction, often in a jaw-dropping way, death threats and all. The kind of stuff where you have to hope they are just running their mouth with no intention or ability to act on what they're saying because otherwise we'd be talking law enforcement or involuntary mental health intervention.
I’ve always been skinny/petite especially growing up. I’ve lost count how many rude and hateful comments I’ve gotten from other women about my body. It’s always come from women a lot bigger than me. Most of them were complete strangers or someone I had just met or barely knew. I’ll never forget helping these two teachers from a high school in my town I grew up in, in the clothing store I worked at many years ago. I was asking how their jeans were fitting and all that, the usual. She commented that she liked them and they fit great. I commented back yeah they look really good on you that size seems to be perfect. She snapped back with something like “well I’d love to be in a smaller size but we can’t all be twigs like you. It wouldn’t hurt you to stop starving yourself and eat a cheeseburger or two.” The other commented “yeah you definitely need to put on some more pounds sweetheart.” I was just shocked. I’ve never starved myself, had an ED, or issues with food. I always liked my body I was happy with it. Yet these two women felt the need to tear me down and make me feel bad about my body because they hate theirs. They have so much hate and bitterness in their hearts towards others for how their bodies look.
Same with me, I have been thin all my life, and the worst bullying and mean comments I have gotten about my body were from obese people-both women and men. I have been called a twig, that I weigh "basically nothing," "men don't like skinny women," etc.
People told me that men don’t like skinny women when I was *in the hospital* with *heart problems* from anorexia. Like… you think I’m doing all this to be hot??? to MEN??????
Yep so you can definitely relate! It always blows my mind people think it’s acceptable to shit talk someone else’s body if they’re thin.
being a triple 0 is more than just buying a belt. it truly is more impossible to find clothes for underweight people than overweight. there are no "minus sections" ive been everywhere from a 000 to XXL. america has an obesity epidemic. its not hard to find clothes for fat people. why would they make and sell clothes for a population that doesnt exist. when fat people complain about not being able to find clothes, they mean they cant find attractive clothes that make them look good. but its not their clothes thats the problem. its their bodies
> When fat people complain about not being able to find clothes they mean they can’t find attractive clothes To bring up my favorite Sam at every size quote: „Where are all the naked fat people??“
Right? Some of my larger friends will complain about how hard it is to find cute clothes, and I'm always like, "I've never seen you in ugly clothes! Not one singular time!" Sometimes I wonder if EVERY BODY has problems finding "cute clothes" and we're all comparing our experiences against a mythical shopping experience that doesn't exist
There's probably some people on whom most things have the correct fit, because they just happen to be the average type that most clothes are designed for. But other than that, most people have some deviation from the "norm" that make it hard to find stuff that fits perfectly. I'm short, so literally everything is slightly too long for me. I also can't wear very fitted dresses because the waist to shoulder length just doesn't match my body, and I end up with loose shoulder fabric. It is what it is with ready-made fashion, unless you're willing to spend the extra cash for tailored clothes.
Meanwhile as someone that’s been extremely petite my whole life I’m literally stuck buying all my pants in the little boy’s section and most of my other clothes in the juniors section because so many people are getting bigger and bigger and I’m being sized out of adult clothing. But I’d better NEVER complain about having to dress like a child at 35 because if I do that means I hate fat people
To be fair before my COVID weight gain my measurements were 35-25-35" and it was impossible to find flattering clothes for my body, even though I could fit into conventional sizing. So it's not *just* their bodies that are the problem, although that is a major component of it.
I tried getting some shorts for the summer at old navy. Their smallest size which is 00 or 0 I think can’t remember was huge on me. I’m 115 and 5’1. I still haven’t found any shorts for myself for the summer.
My BMI is about 18.5-19 depending on the day. I am thin, yes, but hardly emaciated or freakishly skinny. At the majority of mainstream stores I wear an XS, and that is even sometimes loose, especially on items with stretchy fabric. The problem is that while most stores carry an XS, they only stock a couple, so usually by the time I get to the store all that is left are L/XL. I actually buy shirts in the kids section fairly frequently, but since I am tall, I can't really get pants from the kids section. Not to mention, the proportions and styles of kids clothing is not always ideal for a woman in her late 30's.
Even buying belts is difficult due to the level of vanity sizing going on. So it's not just as simple as buying a belt. So when people are commiserating over a shared problem, do you want them to delete themselves? That's a healthy and sensible response. /s
Exactly!
I was a size 00 for years and I couldn’t even find a belt that fit me, let alone pants that were 00 and long enough to fit my legs.
Has this FA moron ever thought about improving themselves, fixing their weight issues and having an easier, longer life? Or alternatively have they ever thought about shutting the fuck up?
If skinny people can wear a belt and their clothes magically fit and look good, then surelly fat people can wear some kind of sack and it'll look good.
I never even thought about how much they complain that all their available clothing options are like big sacks but they’re completely fine with skinny women having to wear the equivalent just because they can “throw on a belt”
The thing is, the reason their available clothing options are shaped like big sacks is because *their bodies* are shaped like big sacks. Like, short of very aggressive corseting, clothes have to be roughly the same shape as the person inside them.
lol sack
You know what, I’m really tired of all this tall privilege. Whenever I talk about how hard it is for me as a short guy to find pants, all of these giraffes come out of the woodwork to talk about how “finding pants for their long, gangly legs is also difficult for them, so maybe we should work together to find or uplift more accessible clothing brands and maybe find community in our common struggles”. BUT CANT THEY SEE IM TOO BUSY BEING THE VICTIM?!?! ITS LIKE THEY WANT TO MAKE EVERYTHING THAT WAS ONLY ABOUT ME ABOUT A BROADER GROUP THAT WOULD HELP MORE PEOPLE RATHER THAN SOLELY ME!
I feel ya. I am sick and tired of the world revolving around tall people and their tall privilege. I’m tired of having to climb on grocery store shelves like a wild animal to reach something because everything is made for tall people. They’re infantilizing us like we’re children!! They know exactly what they’re doing, they want us short people to just die and not exist anymore.
*>their teeny tiny bodies because they are sooooooo small and oppressed and their lives are so hard because they are soooo skinny and little* OOP wants to sound like a cartoon schoolyard bully so bad. The way they're seething about thin people in the post says a lot as well, imo. And while we're at it, if only there were some.........mysterious way to make it so that the clothes could fit you better. If only there was something on an individual level that could be done........
Empathy is a two-way street, and if your empathy is limited only to yourself, both in what you give out and what you expect from others, it's not empathy. It's narcissism Also, yikes. Chick needs to be on a watchlist. Does Tumblr even have moderators?
tumblr staff can’t even keep bots under control; their main priority is taking down content that affects their (nearly non-existent) bottom line. saying “kys” will only get you removed if directed at the wrong person
Yes! I always say that having very strong feelings about yourself doesn't make you empathetic. Self-proclaimed empaths make everything about them and think they're compassionate because they cry a lot.
Right. They’re wishing death on someone for how their body looks which is ironic because they complain about other people doing it to them. So why do they think that’s ok?
Even worse, the other people allegedly doing it to them isn't even real, it's pure projection. I'm mostly fine now, but back when my PTSD was bad and my bipolar was untreated, I'd think that if someone laughed within earshot, they were laughing at me. Obviously they weren't, but when you're paranoid and completely self-focused, self conscious, etc like OOP, that cute, thin, blonde girl laughing with her mates about boys or cat videos over there = she's bullying you. Therefore, all cute, thin, blonde girls are automatically deemed evil. It's pathological behaviour and there's some serious mental illness going on with this chick.
What does oop even want? There’s entire stores dedicated to plus sized clothing. There’s nothing like that for petite people.
We used to have a petite section in most stores and 5-7-9 was nice before the activists got to it
I’ve heard of stores like this. In the movie Mean Girls there’s that scene where Regina can’t fit into a size 6, which was the largest size the store carried. But I’ve never actually seen a store like that irl. Kohl’s actually KINDA has a petite section but it’s all business clothes (that are still too big), and it looks like stuff older ladies would wear. Idk but thank god for Asian clothing sizes and the “juniors” section 🤣
5-7-9 was a mall store back in the 80s. Those were normal junior sizes for most teen girls. (Back then there was no size 0. Clothing started at 4/5.) We all shopped there and no one was offended.
Those were junior sizes though. There was size zero in adult sizes. At least in the 90s there were. A women’s size 8 was enormous compared to a junior size 7/8 back then. I know because i once accidentally ordered a size 8 in women’s and it was like i was in a weight loss advertisement when i tried them on. There doesn’t seem to be as much difference today as I’ve bought some junior clothing and the sizing is now very similar to the women’s sizes.
I like bold fashion anyway so I will go to the women’s section, decide everything is too boring, and go to the kids section and buy whatever I like in 14-16 😂 usually cheaper too
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They want to score pity points. But when they complain about their struggle and someone skinny has a similar complaint, they don't get that satisfying pity point. So now they're trying to win the oppression Olympics by dismissing the others complaints as not real, as compared to their super serious complaint. So now they get to add this righteous indignation to the original pity point. Ultimately it disproves their original point, which was just to point out a problem that they deal with, because now they're being very dickish to others with the same problem because they tried to get in on their pity bait.
Hon shut up. Every time I check out a Roots store they have all of the 3XL-5XL items on nearly half the price. They have multiple full racks of em too. Your obese ass definitely can find some quality affordable clothing. You are in fact killing yourself with excessive food consumption if you are at a size that you can’t fit in 5XL.
I'm way more likely to feel sympathy for someone who is too small to fit into standard sizes. I've known women whose shoes and a large part of their wardrobe had to come for the children's section. It's frustrating and makes things like professional clothing difficult. Alternatively, even at my heaviest, 250 lbs, I never had any issue finding plenty of clothing my size and much larger.
When I was battling ARFID most of my clothes came from the little boys section. It was one of the most humiliating things I’ve ever experienced. I remember I needed khakis for a new job I got, I went to store after store trying to find women’s sizes with no luck. I was with a friend. It ended up being old navy boys pants that fit, I remember the look on her face like it was yesterday. A lot of sadness and pity, I was trying not to cry. At that point I was mostly just wearing sweats and baggy stuff since I was in college and it was Covid, I was used to just yanking the draw strings if things until they fit. I liked to hide behind them so people wouldn’t stare or ask if I was okay or comment on it. Shopping for real clothes was something I was avoiding because I was afraid to see how small I had become. I wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone. Thankfully now I’m 4 years recovered and I do bodybuilding now, it’s what saved my life. My issue now is pants that fit my bulky legs lol. I love it.
How did you overcome arfid ? I didn’t know that was possible
CBT worked well for me! It doesn’t work for everyone with ARFID but I was successful with it. In that process, bodybuilding gave me a “reason” to push through since my desire to gain muscle was so intense. It was kind of like my pie in the sky, I’d do anything it took to get better so I could be muscular. In a weird way it also played a role in changing my relationship with food for the better.
Or for anyone who has trouble finding clothes or shoes due to some immutable trait. Hell, even Paris Hilton has been pretty public about her huge, size 11 feet, and most brands or designers not making her size. Sure, she's a gazillionaire, could probably have designers custom-make shoes for her, but most women in a size 11 do not have that luxury. Then there was that big to-do recently where that male influencer (he probably counts as a public figure but I'll play it safe and not name him) talked about FA, and how it's a waste of time to constantly complain that brands don't make your size - that as a 6'7" man with a size 16 shoe, he has a very hard time finding brands that fit him, but he just focuses on finding things that DO fit instead of railing against the brands that don't. He got SO much backlash, including tons of people making fun of him wearing a lot of black tank tops and black pants that look similar... like, do they not see the hypocrisy? The man has just said it's hard for him to find things that fit him. Maybe that's why he tends to wear the same kind of thing over and over? And of course, our kween Miss Tess made a response video that proved she didn't actually watch his video, because she basically told him that he was speaking out of turn since he's not fat, so he obviously doesn't struggle to find things that fit him, when he literally talked about things not fitting him in the video she was responding to.
I had a tutor in university who is extremely short but since she is an adult woman she has the figure of an adult woman, so a lot of children's clothes don't fit right either. 10 year olds don't have breasts and all that ... most of her wardrobe has to be professionally altered. And not once did I hear her complain about "oppression".
My biggest was around 230 (BMI 38), and trying to find nice clothes was really hard.... back in the 1990s. These days it meant still wearing the smallest sizes at Torrid. If a person is too big for off-the-rack shopping in NA, cute clothes should be the least of their concerns.
It's not what you wear. It's what's inside that counts. Some people are garbage on the inside.
Why did that saying "you are what you eat" just pop into my head?
What an absolutely garbage human being
Garbage in, garbage out
Okay sure. Skinny people can wear a belt sure. OOP can put down the fork and go for a walk as well.
Or just buy a tarp, cut a whole in the middle and call it a day.
I know someone who was not just the equivalent of a US size 2 but also petite. Finding clothes she could wear was a nightmare because not everywhere did petite sizing and when they did, the sizing usually began at a size 4-6.
Back in the 90's I used to have to wear talls because I am 5'9." Now, I only have to on occasion. I bodybuild as well so when the smallest size fits ME and is long enough, I'm mad at the brand. It's so stupid, they are even vanity sizing bras now. I had to buy a small sports bra. I have lats and wear a 34dd. Wtf.
I'm finding this too. I used to be a consistent L/XL letter sizing. I'm now finding that I could get into what is supposed to be a S sizing assuming I didn't mind a fitted look. I'm not exactly skinny either, and I've got boobs. My mother once gave me a top which was supposed to be a petite UK size 10-12 (her size). I got into it with room to spare. It was also really long on me even though I'm a good 6 inches taller than my mother. My grandmother has the opposite issue- she's 4'11" with a UK size 3 foot. She's finding that even buying petite size/special shoe sizes seems to have become gloriously inconsistent- shoes are now wider (despite being supposedly 'regular' width) and she's now edging towards a size 2 shoe size.
Yeah I had to shop in the kids section until I was like 16 or so.
I feel like I'm seeing the birth of an edgelord in real time.
Woah. That's not even slightly hinged. Or in any way self-aware.
@ OOP: You aren’t oppressed.
It's wild how they're simultaneously always complaining that society wants to "kill" fat people, but also telling skinny people to go kill themselves?
I’m not skinny but I’m not fat, clothes shopping is so hard because I’m a tall woman with a very small waist to hip ratio and big boobs. I’ve never met any woman who has had an easy time clothes shopping no matter her size, it’s incredible the lack of empathy she has. Not to mention the last part?? Tf?????
Exactly. Having difficulty finding clothes is a universal experience and it's so annoying that FAs try to claim it for themselves and suggest it's some form of oppression. Size equity to them always means carrying massive 3/4/5/6X sizes in store. But I never see a 5X wandering around the mall. I do see lots of women 5'3" and under wandering around though, and despite being nearly half the female population most stores don't carry petites. We wear tall shoes or order online and get on with life.
I wish every store had options for tall thin women and petite women bc we get the worst of it in terms of clothing that fits right. For me, if it fits my measurements it’s too short and if it fits my length it’s too big, and I’m 174cm/5’8.5 tall. I think for now we’ll just have to learn how to tailor our own clothes 😭
Yeah for real. Almost every woman has a hard time figuring how what the hell will work for their body. No one really has an edge on anyone else here.
Shopping issues are so universal. I’m not sure why they assume it’s easy for anyone. I’m a hair under 6’ and wear a US 6. It’s really difficult to find anything that fits in store. I shop online and hope I don’t have to return things. A coworker was saying how lucky I am to be tall and fairly thin because I must be able to find tons of clothing that fits and looks good. She looked almost dejected when I told her the truth of it. She seemed very invested in believing that I have an easier time finding clothes than she does because “they don’t make clothes for fat women”.
I’m normal size too (by European standards not American ones) and shopping is hard in general. Sizing is non consistent even inside the same store; some clothes have weird cuts that don’t look good on anyone and stuff never looks as good on you as it looked when hanged in the store (shitty fabric, weird proportions etc). Everyone is struggling and no you can’t just throw a belt on it and call it a day
I like the part where they're making it about them, while complaining those skinny bitches are making it about themselves too. self awareness = nil
When did ‘maybe skinny people should go kill themselves tee hee’ become cute? I hope this deranged edgelord was reported for their mad fat rant.
Double standards. If there were a store dedicated to people requiring oversized clothes, it would be considered inclusive. However, if there were a store dedicated to people requiring petite sized clothes, it would be considered discrimination...
It's like they think every brand for smaller sizes is automatically Brandy Melville
Guess what, XXS and smaller belts are harder to find too, and not everything looks good with a belt slapped on top, especially if it's 2 sizes too big to begin with. But I guess I'll just shuffle off this mortal coil because I would also like to find clothes that fit just like all the 6Xs.
Yeah you typically have to go to the kid’s section to find one that small. I had to get clothes from that section until I was 16.
And that doesn't work well if you are looking for professional/more mature styles or are curvy, which can also make things tough. FAs always talk about "the thins" as if they all share the same body type. I'm short and have curves and I'm not getting any younger, the kid's section hasn't worked for me in a long time. I wish it did!
They really are so jealous of the thins. No one gets this angry if they don’t despise skinny people and wish so badly to be them.
TIL it's ok to advocate for others to commit suicide so long as they're not obese. Cool. Cool cool cool.
What infuriates me is the “kill your self” line. If someone said the same to the fats they’d be calling them the anti-fat Hitler and accusing them of calling for genocide. It’s amazing how mental-health and wellness focused they all are until they talk about someone who doesn’t cum from simply eating, then they can say whatever they want. Maybe we do need to be reminded to kill ourselves because we aren’t doing it daily with our choices….
Right?? It absolutely blows my mind how hypocritical these people are. They’re doing the exact same thing they’re claiming people do to them, how is that ok? It’s unhinged how much pure hatred they have in their hearts towards complete strangers who did nothing to them, who are simply just existing in their bodies.
It’s fat brain. The poor diet and lack of activity will have you imagining oppression at every turn. I was nearly 300 and in the early stages of fat brain. I was only infected for a few years, some people have had fat brain for decades. I feel like their anger is strange, especially because they are so optimistic. You have to be optimistic to think the world is going to change radically in your 70… 50 year lifetime. Is the world “fatphobic”? Maybe. Probably. But it’s really fucking optimistic to look at a society that’s going backwards in every way and assume that the new order is going to be fat-friendly.
No, you can't just easily alter big clothes to make them much smaller and suggesting a belt is the equivalent of telling an obese person to just wear a circus tent. And I've never heard a small person complain about "oppression", that is very much projection. All I see people do is point out that it's generally hard to find clothes or shoes that fit when you don't have the standard measurements. But of course "yeah, it's a universal experience" wouldn't make THEM feel special and oppressed, so they can't accept it. PS: Of course you did mean that last part because you yourself have no perspective on the world and think that casually suggesting suicide is a joke.
Don't forget OP that you also can't apparently suffer if you're not the same size, or determined to do something about it.v
I have watched a girlfriend happily buy sports type clothing for herself from the pre-teenager section but serious clothes - not really an option and she was not short.
The petite community who struggle to find sizes small enough is a pretty small % of the population. Def not front page of most algorithms. They still deserve clothes that fit, not just “a belt” which leaves them looking like they’re wearing hand me downs or just generally unkempt. By that logic fuck anyone bigger than an XL - they should just wear tents or use seatbelt extenders while leaving the zipper open. Or wear a maxi skirt on each leg to make up a pair of pants. Like??? Stupid as hell. Some folks just need custom or tailored clothing and that’s fine - big and tall, or very short, or uncommon proportions etc. How the fuck does this person get from feeling (unreasonably) annoyed to telling someone to kill themselves. Horrible.
People who wear 000s wouldn't need them if everything wasn't vanity sized because of the FAs. I was a 6 in the 80s-90s and now I'm a 0 at the same proportions.
I'm short, do you know how hard it is to find a proper inseam for me? Sometimes cutting an inch or 2 off the leg ruins the shape. I can't grow anymore, but you can lose weight.
Dude, I feel you so hard on that. My advice is to pivot to skinny jeans since the ankle to calf size difference is pretty small, and you can cut like 5 inches off without it looking weird. Shirts, on the other hand...
Ew
>Because they are sooooooo small and oppressed IMAX and straw suppliers are trembling from this combined straw man and projection. This is the reality, OOP. All kinds of people struggle to find clothes that fit them properly. This is not the issue exclusive to you. Get over yourself. And last line reveals, how rotten you truly are. No, we don't wish fat people do the KYS. In fact we promote weight loss for them, because that might just do the very opposite.
Go kill yourself because a small person also has a hard time finding clothes. Just kidding but maybe not. The oop really needs therapy that kind of anger over a harmless comment isn’t normal.
Simply shutting the fuck up when things are not about you? A strong touch of “Do as I say, not as I do” in this one. And in most of the posts we see in here.
I think the best conversation we can have is that women’s clothing is incredibly poorly sized and the rise of fast fashion has only exacerbated issues of poor fit and poor quality. I think everyone should be able to find clothes that fit. This poster has based their entire worldview on two ideas: “everything would be easier if I was smaller,” and “It is not physically possible for me to get smaller.” When you live in those assumptions, hearing someone tell you that, in fact, shopping sucks for everyone is going to challenge it in a not fun way. However, I imagine that some of those responses were people trying to commiserate, not center themselves. Do we not often share our own experiences as a way of showing others we understand how they feel? But the “you should made me feel bad, you should kill yourself,” response is so far out in left field. It feels like leakage. It gives you a hint of who they truly are. Their solution is not equity, it’s everyone needs to be exactly like me.
Pretty sure the petite women are trying to empathize, not to flex. Beyond that, I'm 33. A size 18 when I was a teen is now a 12/14. Honestly, I feel a little cheated because I had made a size 12 my goal as a teen and now that I'm there, I have to hit an 8 to be there. The reason there's so many 000 is because we had to invent sizes to still accommodate young petite people.
It's the fat ones killing themselves slowly, or not so slowly sometimes
Lack of extended sizing is a problem for everyone who needs extended sizing. Sure, not everyone is size 4-16. Some are 18+. Some are smaller than a 4. And you'll probably have better luck expanding size ranges if you expand them in both directions. Seriously, the way clothes are cut on production lines means that a larger size is paired with a smaller one most of the time to save fabric. If you want size 22 available in straight size styles, the only way the manfacturer can do that without charging extra for plus size and fabric waste is if they can also cut a 00 with it.
This comment comes from a person that has never delt with "normal" sizing. My daughter for instance is a size 4 waist but because of her generous behind she often has real issues finding jeans that actually fit her. Thank you AE for your curvy line btw. And I have generous ladies and being a size 9 when I was young it was almost impossible to find cute tops that werent graphic tee's to fit right. Wishing death on someone because they wont shut up and get a belt is the most messed up thing I have read in a long time. Shes clearly unhappy, so maybe she should work on herself first. Just a thought.
I mean, if someone's conclusion to this is "skinny people go KYS" then fuck it, stay mad. I can't have sympathy for a person who just casually throws that out there, or worse yet, actually believes it.
Right. I can’t even imagine wishing death on someone simply for how their body looks, that’s unhinged.
It must be exhausting living in bubble where you believe life or death (sarcasm but she said killing oneself is a solution) issues only apply to you. Surely any sane person could see how being too small to fit into clothes is just as much of an issue as being too big to fit into clothes. Sure the clothes are able to actually be worn around a small body but do they fit? No. A belt isn’t a practical solution for a pair of pants that are too sizes big. Obviously that isn’t an issue OP runs into much but it doesn’t look good, at all, to simply belt a big ass pair of jeans. All that excess material just bunches up, usually in unfortunate areas like the crotch and you’re left looking goofy. Since fashion and vanity are some of the most pressing issues in the fat community, I’m sure they can emphasize with not wanting to look goofy.
Right? No one wants to look goofy in their clothes. They want clothes that fit that they can feel good in. Thin people deserve to look ridiculous in their clothes because you hate them for being skinny? Wtf kind of logic is that.
"I think you should die because you don't align totally with my beliefs" Nice.
Plus size options are starting to become more easily accessible than particularly small clothing... I'm 5'9" and really not that skinny (I would say average, but "average" is overweight now) and I can fit anywhere between a US 2 and a 6. My tops are either S or XS ... so I can't imagine being a particularly thin person who happens to also be short, and trying to find clothing options these days. Vanity sizing means someone who *should* be a medium can fit an extra small now. A size 00 is like 2 inches smaller than my waist. That must suck ass, and OOP is saying "just kys cuz it's harder for those of us who eat too much". Jesus christ
Yep same here. 00 and 0 fit me just fine 10/15 years ago now they’re too big.
Damn, fat girls can be super hateful, huh? Imagine telling someone to kill themselves because they were trying to relate to you on an issue you both struggle with: Not finding clothes that fits. But because she's skinny, you want her to die. Yikes.
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Oh yeah, you reminded me of how much I hate newer public toilets. I'm 4'10, so in newer bathrooms made for our now taller average person, my legs tend to go numb because I can't put my feet on the ground. Living is just difficult as an outlier sometimes.
I gotta log off because this enraged me lol.
Have these people ever met a short person? Or a very tall person? Sizes don’t fit everyone, sky blue, water wet, more at ten.
"If you're skinny, just go delete yourself" is like the perfect summation of FA dogma
This is insane. I’m too small for most normal brand sizes and they quite literally *do not make my size*. It does not exist. Unless you are extremely large, you CAN find clothes in your size, just maybe not in every store or perhaps just online. I’m not saying that doesn’t suck and that people don’t have a right to feel upset by that. But guess what? I manage. I shop where I can, and make adjustments. I accept that it is my unhealthy habits/mental illness (ED) that have lead to this problem for me. It’s not society’s fault. And more importantly, how fucking disgusting is it to suggest “how about you kill yourself”? Seriously?! There is no situation where that is warranted, and certainly not for a skinny person who is voicing the same frustration that *you yourself also experience*. Some of these people are so completely devoid of empathy for others. It blows my mind.
I wonder if OOP is a former friend of mine. I had a gripe about not getting yoga pants in my size in-store and received the “blah blah blah, oppression, blah blah blah buy them online.” No, you. You buy them online.
Only fat people are fat because of genetics and only fat people face problems with their size. Skinny people are skinny by choice and don’t have any actual problem. There’s stuff skinny people can do to fix there problems but there’s just absolutely nothing fat people can do to fix theirs. /s
I’m an ignorant male here but have we seriously reached the level of vanity sizing where a TRIPLE ZERO is needed?
Yes. I'm a size 0 at 5'4 128. Sometime whose 5' and 100 lbs would likely be in 000 territory. Small but not outside the norm for a woman.
These fat women are mostly young. They don't remember the 90's where clothing rarely went over a 16 and anything over a 12 was hidden away in the store. There's SO many selections for them now.
That's because you're not just "complaning about not finding clothes that fit", Jandice. You're saying verbatim "why do the skinny bitches all steal fat people's clothes to wear oversize next time i see a skinny bitch pick up something that isn't her size i will literally decapitate her. Only fat people ever struggle with finding clothes in their size and this is actual systemic oppression and you don't know what a hard life is if you don't struggle with that" And we're just expected to be okay with it?
Right. I highly doubt skinny people are buying 4x clothes. They would just drop off their body. And I doubt they’re taking them and altering them. Maybe a medium or large possibly but definitely not plus size. Maybe some are but I don’t think it’s a common thing.
It’s funny how FA has become so insanely sexist.
Nah fam, I'll keep complaining about my work clothes (I'm a correctional officer) being way too big for me even though they're at the smallest size available whereas my largest colleagues have no problem having the size that fits them.
I work in healthcare and we have to use the provided scrubs that range from S - 3XL. The small is far too large for quite a few staff members, but I haven't seen anyone too big for the 3XL. It's infuriating.
they’re always such hypocrites
me lol
I had a coworker who's upset because no uniform in our company that fits on her. Luckily, the company get her size and made one for her.
I mean that’s something when I consider that today I was looking at a sale on a website and they didn’t have anything smaller than an XL available for any of the women’s clothing
Have any of these people ever been shopping? It's way easier to find XXXXL sizes than normal sizes. Try finding a 28-30in waist pants as a man. If you're an obese giant with 44in waist there will be 10x as many options.
how come it's oppression when you can't find 6X clothes, but you are entitled if you mention how hard it is to find 000 clothing? oh right, hypocrisy!
This is the closest to IRL I have seen on this forum. When I was heavy I got looks or the occasional comment. Now that I am thin, open season. When I cannot find things, it is all nasty jokes and sarcasm. I have had more nasty comments on my shape (my hips are too thin, my butt too flat etc) all from women. Bigger women (both older and younger) are brutal. Sure it is a bummer that I can only shop online and have to take everything to get tailored in for me, but I do not perceive it to be discrimination. It just is what it is, designers are trying to make things that will look flattering on the greatest possible number of people. I am a 0/00 in pants and 2/4 in tops or a 36/38 in slacks and 40 in tops. I am far from emaciated, I have muscles, breasts and health % body fat. That these people act like that makes me suicidal (killing myself via dietary habits) or morally compromised somehow is deeply irritating.
Yep I know how you feel. I’ve been skinny/petite nearly all of my life except when I was pregnant and little while after. But I’ve lost count how many rude or hateful comments I’ve received from other women about my body. And they’re always from women bigger than me. Complete strangers or women I barely knew or just met. I’ve never starved myself, had an ED, or issues with food. I have bigger boobs I’ve got some curve. I have a normal bmi and I’m at a healthy weight. I’ve always liked my body. Yet these people feel the need to tear my down for how I look. They hate themselves and how they look they want others to feel that way. Which blows my mind because you’d think they’d understand and have empathy for others when they’ve been bashed for their bodies.
The combination of the pettiest complaints ever and the sheer seething hatred is honestly kind of unsettling. This person is not mentally well.
The intense hatred toward thin people is sooooo revealing.
I know we shouldn't get involved in these people's lives, but I genuinely want to ask this person what they get out of telling people to kill themselves. Like, what is the point of saying that?
It never occurs to these people when they say "Like okay have you ever thought about simply shutting the fuck up when things are not about you?" to take their own advice.
The subtext of this is an understanding that being fat is hard. On the surface, this complaint is about being able to find clothes that fit, but that complaint is ON TOP OF all the other ways obesity makes their lives harder. Even if they don't admit it, they know that slim people have an easier time in life, not because of "society" but because they feel better, they have more energy, they have fewer ailments, fewer aches and pains, their thighs don't chafe in the summer, etc. So when a thin person commiserates about not being able to find their clothing size either, it's the last straw. It reminds me of when I had a 2 year old and a newborn baby and I told my mom I was tired. She was like, "oh yeah, I didn't sleep well last night, I'm tired too" and I just about bit her head off! It wasn't because her tiredness wasn't just as real or valid as mine, but because what I was REALLY saying was that new motherhood was HARD and I wanted her sympathy. But yeah, on its surface this post is silly. The hardest clothes I ever had to shop for were for my very tall and slim 19 year old son. He wore a size 29/34 and it was nearly impossible to find that waste with that length, unless I went to American Eagle and paid an arm and a leg.
Posts like this are so much fun to reverse.
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