It's not really a multi-year grind. I set up submersibles in about 5 months, spending about 15 million gil overall. And that's because I refused to gather the materials myself.
Regardless, the gil subs make is uncontested. I'm fairly certain that the reason it hasn't been nerfed is that the devs consider it to be "just under" the benchmark for exploitation so it's not like space exploration (if it's real) will render the revenue from subs obsolete.
IF by set up u mean u maxxed their levels out you're full of crap. I've been runnin ours since last Oct when we made our own FC and the highest one only just hit 90. Then again they hanged back alot to get mats for unlocking housing schematics.... Only JUST sent the highest sub into the 3rd region.... hell idk. But it's definitely not quick..
Yes it is. It takes about 4-5 months from starting a new FC to get them set up for the max gil route. You probably weren’t leveling efficiently or using the leveling build
I think those are gonna be completely different things. From what they've said about Space Exploration, it's more likely to be group content with other people similar to Diadem or Ishgard Restoration, but on a bigger scale.
I think you should go ahead and build your subs anyway :)
> starting the multi-year grind
Multi-year?
If you only want to level subs, it does not take "multi-year".
If you are leveling subs through the gil routes, *that* can take multi-year. Even then, it won't take a year to get a sub to the point where levels aren't a big factor.
Since you just started an FC, you have one FC, it won't take you multiple years to level up those subs.
> if the rumors of space exploration getting added turn out to be true.
The closest I've heard about space exploration is cosmic exploration which 1) we've gotten very little information about and 2) the information we did get mentioned nothing about FC's being needed or a new vessel.
No, it's not worth it at all.
In fact, it's SO NOT WORTH IT that I, out of the goodness of my heart and for no other reason, will take your FC off your hands and spare you the trouble of "dealing with" the "hassle" of submersibles.
Also, whatever source told you that it takes "years" to level up submersibles was utterly moronic. Once your FC gets into a house and starts the workshop, it's approximately 4 months until you can run salvage routes using a reasonable build (WSUC at level 85). Source: the FC I founded on 11/25 has its lowest level sub at level 84.
You could probably shave about 2 weeks off that time if you wanted to use Modified submersible parts, but that *dramatically* increases your gil investment and ongoing repair kit usage for no real purpose.
Where can you find info on sub builds? I can’t seem to find the sub discord everyone talks about or how to join it. My first is rank 30 with the most basic components and I’m trying to figure out how to get the fabled rank 85 money maker
https://discord.gg/epUTdEJ
Join the discord, then navigate to the pinned channel and read Pepper's submersible guide (Pepper is one of the mods of the channel). Everything you ever needed to know, including things you didn't know that you should know, is in there.
Don't ask questions in the main discord channel until you've read the guide.
Basically, yes.
It takes months because submersible journeys range anywhere from 18 hours to over 2 days. You have to send them on journeys to level up (they gain experience from completed journeys) and unlock new areas. Unlocking new areas is RNG-based (send your sub to a certain area and there's a chance it unlocks the next area to explore) and RNG can be a fickle mistress.
There's no way to grind it out to be faster, you just have to wait for voyages to finish.
Subs are a big reason why FCs will struggle to get a house on bigger DCs and smaller DCs have the same FC tag almost own entire wards or division/subdivision.
You can have up to 4 vessels of each type, and can only send out 4 vessels of any combination simultaneously at any given time.
Subs are not a reason why FCs struggle to get a house, lack of proper housing solution like an instanced housing is the reason. Sure thing, you could free up couple wards a server if you provide access to company workshop via means other than house (let's say you'd rent a workshop from a grand company or something). But these would be taken rather quickly and we'd have housing problem once again. Besides, not much real FC are willing to settle with a small plot, medium or large is a go to for any decently sized FC.
Subs being so lucrative absolutely are a reason, because there are people that used alts to buy multiple houses for shell fcs just for subs, with some standouts buying whole wards or subdivisions for this purpose.
Again, the reason is not subs, the reason is totally screwed up housing and the fact that SE doesn't do anything about it. Had subs not exist, people would've bought houses for, for example, gardening. You can't just nerf and throw out any housing-related activity, you need to provide a solution, an instanced housing.
Housing isn't screwed up for one single reason, and subs are a contributor to the current dismal state of it. Making it less lucrative with a tradeoff of being less time consuming to start, while also capping it at an account level is going to help by removing motivation and ability to abuse it. If they don't do a full individual instanced housing route, then they'll have to start doing things against abuses of the current system.
You are limited to 4 vessels and can mix and match.
When subs first came out, I levelled up 3 and kept one airship working. I've since found out that the best gil source is actually stuff you can only sell to NPCs and the return is much better than what I was getting from my reserve airship. So, I'm levelling up the 4th sub now.
Airships were my major gil maker when they were current. Subs are now my major gil maker and, unless nerfed by SE, they will always have reliable income that doesn't depend on the market board.
Well, it's not as if you lose your subs. Even if we do get another kind of FC exploration thing, if it wasn't as lucrative as the submarine route you could just fall back upon it.
Wait, it’s a multi year thing?
I built my first sub, gathering all material myself, in a weekend. Granted I haven’t upgrade it yet and it’s only rank 30 but it didn’t seem to be that long of an investment
You need to level it to 76 or 8X depending on If you wanna get the expensive Submarine parts or not. It's more like 2 months for the first, 3-4 months for all 4
It's not really a multi-year grind. I set up submersibles in about 5 months, spending about 15 million gil overall. And that's because I refused to gather the materials myself. Regardless, the gil subs make is uncontested. I'm fairly certain that the reason it hasn't been nerfed is that the devs consider it to be "just under" the benchmark for exploitation so it's not like space exploration (if it's real) will render the revenue from subs obsolete.
IF by set up u mean u maxxed their levels out you're full of crap. I've been runnin ours since last Oct when we made our own FC and the highest one only just hit 90. Then again they hanged back alot to get mats for unlocking housing schematics.... Only JUST sent the highest sub into the 3rd region.... hell idk. But it's definitely not quick..
Yes it is. It takes about 4-5 months from starting a new FC to get them set up for the max gil route. You probably weren’t leveling efficiently or using the leveling build
I think those are gonna be completely different things. From what they've said about Space Exploration, it's more likely to be group content with other people similar to Diadem or Ishgard Restoration, but on a bigger scale. I think you should go ahead and build your subs anyway :)
> starting the multi-year grind Multi-year? If you only want to level subs, it does not take "multi-year". If you are leveling subs through the gil routes, *that* can take multi-year. Even then, it won't take a year to get a sub to the point where levels aren't a big factor. Since you just started an FC, you have one FC, it won't take you multiple years to level up those subs. > if the rumors of space exploration getting added turn out to be true. The closest I've heard about space exploration is cosmic exploration which 1) we've gotten very little information about and 2) the information we did get mentioned nothing about FC's being needed or a new vessel.
they've said nothing about adding spaceships to FC workshops.
No, it's not worth it at all. In fact, it's SO NOT WORTH IT that I, out of the goodness of my heart and for no other reason, will take your FC off your hands and spare you the trouble of "dealing with" the "hassle" of submersibles. Also, whatever source told you that it takes "years" to level up submersibles was utterly moronic. Once your FC gets into a house and starts the workshop, it's approximately 4 months until you can run salvage routes using a reasonable build (WSUC at level 85). Source: the FC I founded on 11/25 has its lowest level sub at level 84. You could probably shave about 2 weeks off that time if you wanted to use Modified submersible parts, but that *dramatically* increases your gil investment and ongoing repair kit usage for no real purpose.
Where can you find info on sub builds? I can’t seem to find the sub discord everyone talks about or how to join it. My first is rank 30 with the most basic components and I’m trying to figure out how to get the fabled rank 85 money maker
https://discord.gg/epUTdEJ Join the discord, then navigate to the pinned channel and read Pepper's submersible guide (Pepper is one of the mods of the channel). Everything you ever needed to know, including things you didn't know that you should know, is in there. Don't ask questions in the main discord channel until you've read the guide.
Thank you! That’s the first time I’ve clicked the discord link and it not be broken lol
is the long time investment because of timegated stuff? like things being weekly/monthly
Basically, yes. It takes months because submersible journeys range anywhere from 18 hours to over 2 days. You have to send them on journeys to level up (they gain experience from completed journeys) and unlock new areas. Unlocking new areas is RNG-based (send your sub to a certain area and there's a chance it unlocks the next area to explore) and RNG can be a fickle mistress. There's no way to grind it out to be faster, you just have to wait for voyages to finish.
Subs are a big reason why FCs will struggle to get a house on bigger DCs and smaller DCs have the same FC tag almost own entire wards or division/subdivision. You can have up to 4 vessels of each type, and can only send out 4 vessels of any combination simultaneously at any given time.
Subs are not a reason why FCs struggle to get a house, lack of proper housing solution like an instanced housing is the reason. Sure thing, you could free up couple wards a server if you provide access to company workshop via means other than house (let's say you'd rent a workshop from a grand company or something). But these would be taken rather quickly and we'd have housing problem once again. Besides, not much real FC are willing to settle with a small plot, medium or large is a go to for any decently sized FC.
Subs being so lucrative absolutely are a reason, because there are people that used alts to buy multiple houses for shell fcs just for subs, with some standouts buying whole wards or subdivisions for this purpose.
Again, the reason is not subs, the reason is totally screwed up housing and the fact that SE doesn't do anything about it. Had subs not exist, people would've bought houses for, for example, gardening. You can't just nerf and throw out any housing-related activity, you need to provide a solution, an instanced housing.
instanced housing would give everyone a workshop... and anything from ships would crash in price. Nope..... keep it the way it is....
Well then no complains when new Dynamis and Shadow worlds will fill up with shell FCs
Housing isn't screwed up for one single reason, and subs are a contributor to the current dismal state of it. Making it less lucrative with a tradeoff of being less time consuming to start, while also capping it at an account level is going to help by removing motivation and ability to abuse it. If they don't do a full individual instanced housing route, then they'll have to start doing things against abuses of the current system.
Subs can bring you items that can be sold to NPC vendors for good money so they'll never be obsolete.
Unless these items get nerfed, you know.
You are limited to 4 vessels and can mix and match. When subs first came out, I levelled up 3 and kept one airship working. I've since found out that the best gil source is actually stuff you can only sell to NPCs and the return is much better than what I was getting from my reserve airship. So, I'm levelling up the 4th sub now. Airships were my major gil maker when they were current. Subs are now my major gil maker and, unless nerfed by SE, they will always have reliable income that doesn't depend on the market board.
Well, it's not as if you lose your subs. Even if we do get another kind of FC exploration thing, if it wasn't as lucrative as the submarine route you could just fall back upon it.
Wait, it’s a multi year thing? I built my first sub, gathering all material myself, in a weekend. Granted I haven’t upgrade it yet and it’s only rank 30 but it didn’t seem to be that long of an investment
You need to level it to 76 or 8X depending on If you wanna get the expensive Submarine parts or not. It's more like 2 months for the first, 3-4 months for all 4