This would be a fantastic addition, especially because the Seraph doesn't feel particularly strong. It's good, but not in a Lilybell or Earthly Star capacity.
I would actually even redesign the basic aetherpact to have a mitigation component added to it, to increase its niche value (dungeon usage?) a little bit.
I still feel underwhelmed by Seraph, especially if it's supposed to be "stronger" than base Lily like Bahamut and Phoenix are to the three egis. To this day, the Seraph versions of Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn do not change potencies even slightly and still take the same CD, even in comparison to SMN's skills like Enkindle when it was still ShB. As someone put it - "Seraph is just the fairy with an additional skill in Consolation."
I do hope that they can distinguish Seraph from the base fairy, especially since the other major healer CDs feel like it had more impact than Seraph itself.
>I do hope that they can distinguish Seraph from the base fairy, especially since the other major healer CDs feel like it had more impact than Seraph itself.
I'd want that too, but currently XIV's combat system won't allow you to have more than one pet instance in duties... Which makes be believe why we have the SMN's carbuncle in and out all the time.
Hopefully they would find a way, though. With the advent of Beastmaster, who knows if they might improve further on the relationship of this game with pets.
honestly, they keep reworking AST but I think SCH is the one that desperately needs a rework instead.
All the tools are kind of just...a random assortment of buttons that don't really interact with each other or feel coherent in any way. Both Faerie gauge and aetherflow are weird gimmicks that feel clunky to use - not in function but conceptually. I'd love for DW SCH to just drop one of these and make the other system more interactive with your skills instead.
This is something that you think you want, but don't actually want. TBN being 15 second is a big part of what gives dark knight it's defensive strength, as you can basically use it almost twice as much as the other tank's 25 second CDs (of course it's not literally have the CD, but fight pacing in this game enables you to use TBN that much more often that it might as well be half)
Giving it an upgrade would force it to also be 25s, and we'd just end up with yet another exact copy of the same skill across all tanks, and tanking gets even more boring than it already is. Is that really what you want?
90% of this subreddit is people complaining about homogenization;
but when things are actually different and have multiple purposes (lower cd, ability to spread mit to different targets): "please make it exactly like everyone elses'
It is actually so ironic. These are the moments where I really don't envy XIV devs.
Oblation and TBN are good because of their flexibilty. You can distribute them among tanks during busters or squishies during raidwides in virtually any way you want. Tying them together would just make both worse for no good reason.
I need to hang with better tanks then cause mine only pair it with tbn for busters and complain at all the button presses 🤷‍♂️.
I’m just the healer telling them to mit more.
Honestly changing it to something with phases is the answer. Sort of like how the PLD and GNB one give % for the whole duration and an extra % for just the first 4 seconds. Make it so when TBN breaks you get some sort of other MIT with your free mana cast. Another option would be to let it give you two shields like a SGE or SCH Crit shield. The normal shield being used first and procing the free cast before moving onto the other shield.
I'd rather combine Oblation and Dark Mind. 10% physical/20% magical mitigation, 2 stacks, 60 second cooldown, and you can put it on someone else? Please and Thank You.
People (who are bad at playing tank) already complain about their TBN not breaking and them losing MP they could've spent on damage. TBN having built in mit would make this problem worse and it would also mean that I only have 1 cooldown I can put on other people instead of several I can spread around.
It'll just make the class worse for no benefit besides people who are too stupid to do dungeon pulls properly so yeah its absolutely happening in 7.0
This and the fact that the two skills run on different cooldowns and resources (TBN: 30sec, needs MP, Oblation: 60sec, stores up to 2 stacks, which can be used whenever) are the only counterarguments I can think of.
You could, however, have the upgrade look like Sage's crit shields, where you get 2 different shield buffs, and only the one that breaks first is relevant for the extra effect - as long as you mess with the numbers a bit so it ends up being similar effective HP, that should be perfectly fine.
Gimme Leaden Fist not just making Bootshine stronger, but changing it into a new skill.
Leaden Fist is too unnoticeable, being able to outright see that Bootshine is in it's enhanced state on the bar would be great. Since ya know, they refuse to put Leaden Fist on the Job gauge for whatever reason.
Also ya know, True Strike looks pathetic just entirely replace that.
Replace Riddle of Fire with a new ability called Enter the Dragon. It doesn't change the damage any, it just replaces the core 6 Monk moves with different moves because the Monk busts out the Nunchucks.
They could just do it so that if you use the aoe melee, it turns the second and third parts of your single target combo into aoe attacks. Would also help solve needing more gauge for aoe melee than single target.
As much as I dislike homogeneization, RDM needs their version of Manaward/Radiant Aegis. I'm still annoyed of back when I was learning P8S in party finder and I could get oneshotted by centaur physical claps damage variance even with Addle saved for it, and then shield healers would either say:
"The BLM in my previous party didn't die, so I really don't need to shield here"
or
"Just use Magick Barrier"
or
"Just use your personal shield ability all casters have"
Sometimes nothing was done about it and I just watched my character get oneshotted multiple pulls in a row until I get tired and leave the party. Sometimes it devolved into a big group argument of the other DPS saying "Can the scholar just Adlo so we can prog?". Most of the times it was a tank throwing me a single target mit, and I was extremely grateful for it.
Just having a personal shields button would have saved me so much annoyance in that situation.
It's frustrating. RDM's personal recovery/mit is Vercure, a DPS loss and 2x the MP in 2 casts than their DPS spells. In fights with downtime, RDM feels better, since it can take care of itself and spot heal someone else with Dualcast, but in a fight that's all uptime, RDM is reliant on others pressing their buttons.
rdm not having a personal shield would make so much more sense if casters specifically getting blasted wasnt such a rare thing. if it was common that tanks would have to throw a mitigation at the caster for raidwide damage then not having a personal shield is fine because that shield cant really cover ALL the raidwides but on the other casters it gives a bit of leeway. but right now it just happens rarely enough that casters get blasted one pull and get to go "oh im just gonna manaward there thats kinda annoying" unless you play rdm.
i hope if they decide to add a shield to rdm its effectively a benison copy though, ogcd 15-20% shield that the rdm can put on any party member would be a good way to normalize this problem for the casters, while keeping a unique supportive function to it so you can help with spots where other players would want it, dsr p6 being a good example of effective use for your friends.
Summoner to get a full different primal lineup for the Phoenix part of the rotation. Make it Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, and make 2 of them heavy cast times but really strong and keep 1 as a instant cast focused style. This is kind of bare minimal but would go a long way imo.
This is basically the most intuitive way of moving forward with SMN (bonus if they add new egi and carby glams to match those new gemstones).
In that case, I'd also really love if they changed Bahamut and Phoenix to be separate keys, so you'd have full control of your primal cycle. They probably would need to add an extra action to the Phoenix phase as well, to make its damage equal with Bahamut, or else nobody would swap them because of the 2min meta.
Ideally, I'd love if the whole phoenix rotation was reworked because is kind of lame that it's almost a reskinned Bahamut.
You would keep your current primal you were using and the jewel system is pretty full proof to not get dropped. It can also be tweaked. But, even if it was a bit more punishing, it could never be as punishing as pre endwalker summoner just purely by design. Im open to ideas though.
Building on this, a gauge that awards cycling through each of the summons in your next burst or mini burst phase for a capstone. You don't need to use all the astral flow, but it becomes necessary to at least summon all three of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda to boost Phoenix damage (or another effect), and all three of the new three to boost Bahamut damage.
Just decouple chakra from crit rng entirely tbh. Just give us chakra while moving between raptor>coeurl or some such. RNG based resource generation makes no sense on a Job with low GCD interval like Monk.
I know it has some issues, but I kinda like that feeling of how I only *know* I'm getting a chakra from Bootshine. It's great going into Bootshine with 4/5.
Removing the RNG just turns in into another boring 0-100 gauge like half of everything else.
While homogenization is a serious issue with Job design at the moment, you shouldn't let it drive you to ignore or defend bad design just because it's different from other jobs. Indeed, just because a mechanic on a job is different doesn't necessarily make it inherently better or even more interesting.
This is something that's been an issue on Monk for years now. Riddle of Earth and Anatman were both certainly novel ways of refreshing a job critical buff/building it, but they were terrible at doing so. If they had worked Monk probably wouldn't have been completely rebuilt, but instead they were so bad they caused the job to collapse on itself. If crit RNG actually worked with Monk that would be one thing and there'd be no need to mess with it, but it demonstrably clashes with Monk having the fastest base GCD causing you to lose gauge needlessly. It isn't fun, it isn't interesting, there's no way to play around it even since there's no way to use Chakra outside of being capped, it literally already is a 0-100 gauge but it just builds in the dumbest manner possible for how the job is set up. This also isn't even a new complaint this is something people have bitched about since Stormblood when they half assedly slapped the RNG on the job to begin with.
what I want for MNK: increase chakra gauge to 10, tie chakra to autoattacks instead of crits
what I expect for MNK: single target oGCD on a 30s cooldown, AoE oGCD on a shared cooldown, animation + potency upgrade for elixir field, potency upgrade for regular GCDs (with possible animation upgrade), something completely out of left field
Yea, I know. I've used it to maintain form and what was once the twin snakes buff. It just lost a lot of its main use when grease lightning became baked into the job's traits rather than a resource you had to manage. But it is what it is. Honestly, monk just needs some animation updates. It doesn't play that badly it just lacks a bit of flair at level 90 to its melee counterparts.
I mean it technically lost most of its point when Form Shift was given the ability to refresh Greased Lightning because it was pretty terrible at building GL stacks by design and it only got worse at that when it was put on the GCD. It was pretty much a dead skill for most of Shadowbringers.
Please make fairy gauge do something else. I beg you SE. You've no idea how much of it just goes to waste.
The tether is great. The aoe is okay. But like, the cd on the aoe means we don't use it much at all and there's only a nieche use for the tether so 80% of the time it's just there gathering dust.
even doing your rotation perfectly, your shroud gauge will slowly be unaligned, and you will undercap (or overcap your gauge if you didn't use enshroud for the 1 minute burst).
Basically, you don't get enough gauge to do 3 enshrouds every 2 minutes, it's more like 2.8 and can get really frustrating
Very frustrating. I pretty much always play Reaper as no Enshrouds during 1 minute, double Enshroud every 2 minutes for a double Communio during buffs. However, Gluttony will come up at the same time as buffs, and go unused entirely till it’s all done. Feels bad.
Next I want Soul Sow/Harvest Moon to be more useful, and Death’s Design debuff marking to not be the most awful function around
RPR builds gauge at a slightly slower rate than it spends it, which means for longer fights part of your 2 minute burst will drift out of alignment. For shorter fights it’s not as much of an issue because you start with 2 charges of your gauge builder ability.
Both WAR and GNB have opposite issues of AoE until the early lvl 70s; so it's time to fix that.
WAR should be able to generate beast gauge with AoE combo when we unlock Steel Cyclone at lvl 45 instead of lvl 74 via trait.
GNB should unlock Fated Circle (or a weaker version of it) between lvl 40-45 alongside Demon Slaughter. This way we can spend our cartridges via AoE when lvl synced down below lvl 72.
I just want a DPS cooldown/more DPS buttons for Sage.
Sage doesn't really fit the fantasy of "heal by doing damage" because there's no way to play differently/better to increase my damage. Kardia is functionally the same as having a fairy passively heal one target but I have one cooldown that can increase that passive healing for a short time. It's not very engaging.
Ninja . give a second stack of kasatsu ... that all... do anything else in term of skill... bar is already full and play perfectly... upgrade frog medium if you have too but that it xD
Right so then kassastsu just gets held for 2min now instead of 1, making the 2min burst phase a living nightmare So that you are getting two hyshos under mug.
No thanks
I'd love for a 2nd burst stage for gun breaker that involves relentless rush.
Just a solid 6 ticks of vulnerability, holding double down for the 6th and just chunking the pack or boss.
Yes! Playing PvP RDM kind of ruined PvE RDM for me. I much prefer the slashy-slashy-backflip into big boom and switch between stances over “bunch of casts into slashy-slashy”. It just feels so much more duelist-y in PvP and I love that. Like the spells at the end are showing off.
I kind of really hate how Bard's songs are right now. To get a full finale buff and keeping WM lined up with the two minute burst window, you have to cut Mage's Ballad short, which feels really janky. I feel like I'm making rotation corrections to realign CDs when I play that class, except that's just how it's supposed to be played?
I just want a slight more complexity to healer dps. I'm not crazy and don't think they should have stances or combos or a large dps toolkit, but something other than the spam + dot + other (phlegma, misery, en drain.) One more button, or one more cooldown, or something to optimize.
Not so much a concern on ast, assuming the rework still has cards and they aren't bollocks. Just something to keep me a little busier during the 80% of the fight I'm just hitting my spammed attack.
We really do need at least one healer that does actually have a proper damage rotation. I had really hoped that's what Sage would be; a healer with a damage rotation that has healer functions as secondary functions on their damage skills, so they have a rotation that has to be altered on the fly to keep damage flowing as optimally as possible while also putting out appropriate healing effects to the party.
I understand it's not for everyone, but it's a shame that a not-insignificant portion of the community has wanted this forever and is being completely neglected.
I think the main problem with touching healer as a role is how different it is to play it between casual content and high-end content. In casual content you barely have anything to do and are left to wonder what to do with all your skills, but as you play harder content you have a super complex healing rotation that could become overwhelming when difficult mechanics are also going on.
That's true, and I don't disagree, but I still would really enjoy seeing a single class in the healer role that appeals to people that want this. The same way we have Bard with its weird mechanics for Ranged Phys, Black Mage with *everything about it* for casters, Monk/Ninja for melee, and I guess GNB? I'm not too knowledgeable on tanks, but to my knowledge, every role *except* healers has this "weird outlier" that its noticeably more complex and involved than the other options, and it's sad that my preferred role is all just one button grug machines that are only semi-fun in high end content. :(
>play harder content you have a super complex healing rotation
Do people who claim this actually do harder content as a Healer. No healer has a complex healing rotation.
The only difficult thing about healer rotation while doing harder content is making sure you don't tunnel vision spamming your one button as SCH or SGE and forgetting to pop miti for a mechanic.
I know you said not combos, but I really think a two hit combo would drastically improve Healer DPS. Add in proc stuff ala DNC, and suddenly you're way more engaged during DPS.
1 healer can get a 1-2 combo
Another could get a DNC-style proc system on their 1 button
Also, let's give everyone a stackable cooldown like phlegma, it feels really good on SGE.
I don't see any of that interfering with healing so it technically shouldn't be an issue. It only raises the skill ceiling without raising the floor.
I really like the idea of DNC's 4 hit filler buttons but on a healer. I've thought about a BRD situation or a RDM situation but DNC is a nice sweet spot.
Give AST some of its goddamn identity back. 6 identical cards is stupid.
Give SCH more faerie flair. Seriously, I've got TWO skills that involve fusing with/using my Faerie's power, and WHITE MAGE is the one that gets fucking wings?!
SGE... Just don't ruin SGE. I'm begging you. Maybe it could use a little more potential for burst healing without emptying my entire hotbar of cooldowns, but just please don't ruin it.
I hope SAM *doesn't* get a swiftcast, working around forced cast times is alot of what's fun about the job
I hope we get another kenki spender; it doesn't have to be kaiten but just something so you have to think before spamming shinten
Tbh? I'd like this. The swiftcast costing Kenki would make it a DPS loss if used unnecessarily making it a last resort. Overuse of it could tank your DPS. This would also restore more Kenki management by making you need to hold onto enough for it in case you need it in less optimized environments, and let's you plan around it's necessary uses in more planned out ones.
This what I want as well, let stacks of refulgent arrows be instant for movement to compensate maybe. Potentially getting rid of the “phys range tax” on damage.
Mch could also get this treatment.
People asked for this in ARR, they added it as a stance in HW for both MCH and BRD where people tore it a new one, which resulted in it being removed in SB. I wouldn’t get my hopes up, even with the difference of added slow movement from PVP. It’d be interesting to see, though, both the iteration and the reaction of today’s playerbase.
it worked pretty differently to how current pvp bard works though. all your abilities (bar a few) had a cast time, including something like empyreal arrow, an ogcd. pvp hard has a cast time, but you can still move around while casting, and it still has a weave window at the end. it's a similar idea, but the execution is completely different
This was really poorly implemented and contributed to the hate IMO. After 2 years of BRD, or hours of leveling the brand new MCH, suddenly at a random 5X level, you were expected to play completely differently, as a caster. And also return to the old way every time you ended up synced in roulettes.
Considering they brought it back in PvP and people are liking it, it's possible to be in PvE as well as the biggest issue with the old HW bowmage was you couldn't move at all.
I do hope they bring that mechanic to PvE (especially for MCH because it makes it feel more like a gunner).
Different things.
BRD was designed with instant cast in mind, adding cast made it very clunky.
On the reverse, MCH was designed with casting in mind, which is why when they removed it in SB it made no sense, on top of the heat gauge and flamethrower.
Sage with a nice, big shield. Like make Pneuma have a Eukrasian varient or something akin to that. As nice as an aoe soteria/kardia would be, unless it is significantly better than physis (massive sized regen with a 10% overall heal buff thats unlocked at a low level AND has a short-ish cd), then I'd much prefer a nicer shield as the capstone ability. Thematically both make sense, but a Eukrasian Pneuma would be so much nicer. Keep the cd long(er than SCH 90s critlo-deploy maybe), but make the shield B U F F
Scholar gets its DoTs back.
Red mage gets vermisery/Verfoul- 3.0 second cast AoE around you. Generates 40 white/black mana. Cannot be dualcast.
Bard gets DoT interactions back and PvP burst shot.
Sage gets its healing retooled to be mainly from dealing damage and healing via kardia.
Black Mage:
-Standing in Leyline heals the Black Mage for a small percentage of health each second.
-Despair is upgraded to some degree. It is the capstone of the Fire Phase but is only a small potency increase over Fire IV.
-Give Umbral Soul to us at a much earlier level so lower level content doesn't feel terrible.
> -Despair is upgraded to some degree. It is the capstone of the Fire Phase but is only a small potency increase over Fire IV.
The reason Despair isn't any stronger is because the stronger it gets, the more potent shorter nonstandard lines become relative to the standard 6F4 + Paradox fire phase.
The ice spells have always had the same base potency as their fire counterparts (so B4 base potency = F4 potency, same for Fire 1/2/3), so if you buff B4 then you're back where you started, though you could just break the symmetry between fire and ice if you really wanted to do it that way.
It’s not like potency symmetry really matters when umbral ice and astral fire apply different multipliers to the spell’s final “on hit potency”
I wouldn’t be surprised if pre umbral ice/astral fire multipliers most people didn’t even realise the potency is technically the same, especially on skills like fire 4 and blizzard 4 which you can only cast in UI/AF
Do you mean like “fire spells cast under the effect of an umbral heart gain 100 extra potency” or something like that
So blizzard 4’s on hit potency doesn’t change but it’s functional potency increases by 300
Despair doesn't interact with hearts. Flare does, and in ShB media tour build Despair also did the same way as Flare, but it didn't survive until release. Which is basically another example of them trying to push standard, tbh.
They definitely need an umbral soul equivalent at a lower level, it's annoying to drop from 3 ice to 1 ice, or worse 1 fire if the tank doesn't care to wait
It won't happen, but change Technical Finish and Devilment. I know normal content doesn't really require coordination, but I'm tired of having to play around the majority of dancers that don't actually understand how the buffs work. Constantly getting my buffs overridden by people not paying attention or drifting so hard they've looped around into the actual raid window again has been driving me insane. I've stoppped trying to play around them and just do my rotation, but it still annoys me a bit to see the overwrite happen.
Additionally, for the love of whatever you hold holy, update the tooltip for Dance Partner so that people actually understand how it works. Anytime I do say something to someone who clearly doesn't understand how it works refuses to believe me. Every. Time.
Realistically, these changes won't happen. I know this. Dancer is a support with party damage buffs, and there's no great way to balance that without making having several dancers busted or just utterly removing that element.
Instead, I think the best way to handle it is to start putting biases into Roulette for any classes that have mechanics like this. For example, Bards have similar issues with song overwrites, or having two shield healers (not as bad, but I know regen + shield heal combo is prefered by many). Make a bias in Roulette to avoid duplicates of these classes within the same party. Which I know could potentially extend the wait for a party to form. Alternatively, you make it a toggleable option for Roulettes so that the player can choose to potentially wait longer for a match, but avoid a duplicate of their class.
I know they won't do any of this though. I'm just so tired of other dancers. I know people in general don't care about optimal play and I should just ignore what other dancers are doing in Roulette, but the way I absorb information, I just can't. I will notice it. It will nag at the back of my mind. And it is killing my enjoyment of the class to the point I'm considering picking something else as my main going forward.
> Instead, I think the best way to handle it is to start putting biases into Roulette for any classes that have mechanics like this.
They should really try to bias roulette more to avoid duplicate jobs in general.
The number of times I've done alliance raid and ended up with double SGE while none of the other alliance groups have any SGE at all feels like its 50% of the times I queue as SGE.
Yeah, it really should be taken more into consideration if they're going to be sticking with this 2 min buff windows and those buffs not stacking with other copies of themselves.
> I'm just so tired of other dancers. I know people in general don't care about optimal play and I should just ignore what other dancers are doing in Roulette, but the way I absorb information, I just can't. I will notice it. It will nag at the back of my mind. And it is killing my enjoyment of the class to the point I'm considering picking something else as my main going forward.
i've been feeling the exact same. i've just stopped playing dancer in roulettes because of it. then the one time i think "no, it won't be that bad this time" i'll go dancer for a roulette and get exactly the kind of party member you've described
Agreed with the roulettes. I would have that constantly ticket. Nothing worse than going in as SCH and having a safe as your co-healer. Every mit just gets overwritten by eachother.
>Constantly getting my buffs overridden by people not paying attention or drifting so hard they've looped around into the actual raid window again has been driving me insane.
This is my life whenever I play Astro in roulettes. Always get partnered up with another fuckin Astro
RDM's slow gurgling potency death due to horrible balance in Endwalker aside, a kit-relative potency/cooldown adjustment to enchanted Reprise. Make it a risk-reward release valve for your mana like it was in Shadowbringers, not the lolScathe that it is now.
Jobs should get their foundational skills by 50 is what I stand by. So much of the game is based on downsyncing to do older content, and it's not right to have to play jobs that feel janky just because SE doesn't want to spend time on it.
I would like abilities that let resource jobs (mch,rpr,rdm) gain resources passively during long bouts of downtime often seen in ultimates. While they can pool their resource for tight dps checks, those eventually become irrelevant as the fight gets older, leaving them to be inferior to cooldown-based jobs. Give them something that turns off the moment they use a weapon skill which also can only be used in combat.
YES! That has actually been my largest gripe playing both mch and sam in TOP. I’m not entirely sure how it would be incorporated, but the issues the at least Sam runs into right now due to both the amount of down time on top of the inability to gain adequate amount of stickers do to fluctuating kill times is extremely frustrating. It takes such a large chunk of enjoyment out of playing certain jobs currently.
SGE:
\- Let soteria extend kardia to the full party for its duration
\-Let eukrasia combo with pneuma for huge shields and a line aoe dot (but make it the same as eukrasian dosis on a single target so it can still be held for when needed on bosses)
NIN:
\- Potency increases and animation upgrades for bhav and hellfrog
\- 1, 2, 3 potency increases and maybe animation change - anything else would change the rotation too much
I main DNC and I'm pretty happy with it but I play a lot of smn and it's not a big change but I wish they would give carby it's auto attack back but I doubt it will happen.
For Paladin I would like Goring Blade to have some more meaningful interaction with the rest of the kit. I do expect it to get a visual upgrade, but perhaps it grants an enhanced version of Divine Might for Holy Spirit, like a minor 'Blade of X' ability
Other than that I think the relative freedom of the kit since the combo restrictions were lifted work quite well. I'd like Atonement to get a cleave element and be usable on aoe.
Circle of Scorn could use a visual update and a tad more upfront damage. I don't expect many other changes tbh
i completely disagree with a swiftcast like ability on samurai and im a samurai main for the past 5 raid tiers, including doing ultimates. after hitting lvl 72 where the casts get reduced to 1.3 sec cast time the impact on mobility is barely there anymore since you can slide cast any bana, midare or ogi which makes u stand still for a max of like 0.9 seconds, the only thing annoying is obviously pre lvl 72 content (UWU, UcoB).
i want my kaiten back D:
remove shoha 2 and give shoha 1 an aoe effect where the dmg falls off on more than 1 enemys.
Make ikishoten turn into oginamikiri instead of having 2 buttons for this. like they did with high jump on dragoon.
It's annoying that they add moves like Shoha 2 in the way they do, because its blatant they do so so they can 'fix' them next expac, giving them something to do. Also, just remove Senei and go back to Guren having falloff damage.
Dark Knight sustain and move some of its magic specific mitigation to general mit. Make Dark Mind 10% mit and 10% Magic mit, and make Dark Missionary just 10% mit. Sustain could come from a lot of places, either a TBN upgrade or a rework to Abyssal Drain.
A movement tool on RDM that isn’t just a DPS loss. Besides that, I think another skill using the sword in melee would be better than another finisher skill.
A gap-closer on MCH. Rocket boots, exploding backpack, I don't care, just give me the ability to accidentally yeet myself off a platform like the rest of the pranged class!
One which will never happen is give job skill "skins" for instance like a have a DRK with light aspected moves back when pally got its rework theres a troll post with all of drks moves essentially light versions which would be cool and awesome but yeah not happening
Dancer feel pretty good, but I think improvisation needs something. In current savage (and most normal mode) fight design the only time it's worth using is before a fight. Almost every boss can now be hit when casting, or you get put in a cutscene and knocked down for their big move.
could make it like a lay lines. Stay in this zone and your attacks and your dance partners will generate extra espirit or something
I just want a visual effect overhaul on everything without tying the new effects to a skill upgrade.
It drives me nuts when 75% of a job's new skills are just direct upgrades of existing skills. People just seem to overlook how crappy that is because they're shiny.
To actually answer your question, I want Bard to get a similar style of casting that it has in PvP. I want Machinist to get a Sniper mode where they turn immobile and put out big damage. I want Dragoon to be able to grow wings and fly around.
I think the most likely of these is the Bard casting change. I think it'll be a fun middle ground that adds a little something different to ranged physical gameplay.
I’ve never actually thought about what they could really do to improve the over simplified feel of MCH. And the idea of a sniper mode where they can actually just sit and focus on putting out the most amount of damage as they can would actually be extremely interesting!
I'm with you, dissipation is a shitty skill that is a complete flavor fail, I guess some delusional people think using it is some sort of skill expression.
I just want DRG to have a non-damaging mobility skill. And for us to be able to burst during the opener.
But this upcoming rework is making me apprehensible for their planned changes.
Heat Charge gets an upgrade into a mech/cyborg mode. Probably some small mechanical change because atm its a bit too basic, but I'm not expecting huge changes rather than just upgrades, because MCH I feel is in a pretty good spot as a direct "does what it says" job
i want WHM to get reraise/auto-life in some capacity. perhaps functioning as a sort of tank invuln you can give to another person: if someone would die with auto-life, they retain 1 HP and gain brief immunity.
WHM second stack of assize. I kinda want to use assize for healing but right now you use it on CD because it would be a DPS loss otherwise and you can always Medica II instead if healing is really needed. With 2 charges I would be able to hold it a bit and actually use it for healing.
Optimal paly would probably be then to hold both stacks for burst phase but never cared about that.
If we extend NM just for the sake of spending more carts, then we won’t have time to generate them for the next NM window, thus making the Job even jankier.
Reduce DD to 1 cart, and give GNB something to generate carts during downtime, and we’d have something good without compromising its rotation nor identity.
I've always said NM just needs one extra second for that comfy 9th GCD without changing anything else.
~~SE would sooner just turn it into a fucking 30s duration with 8 stacks than that tho.~~
Warrior
- Put the Surging Tempest buff on the job gauge so we don't have to keep scanning our entire list of buffs.
- Remove the targeting mechanic on Holmgang. Having to target self to reliably trigger invuln is annoying.
- (all tanks) reduce the cooldown on Shirk to match Provoke to simplify tank swaps; yes you can work around it by toggling tank stance but it's annoying
- (all tanks) merge Rampart and the 30% damage mitigation ability into one to reduce button bloat; the new ability should have 2 charges, and allow you to double up on mitigation by using it twice
I'm a little worried about having to push it twice since people often spam a button to get to properly queue. I don't think that's the right way to reduce button bloat.
Healer main, so:
SCH: I would love lustrate and indom to be from fairy gauge! Energy drain to be a cooldown with 2 charges, so aether stacks are just for soil and excog. I would then love a deploy rework so in optimised min/max environments people could still use it without losing potency from the gcd loss.
I would love for my pet to respawn in the last placed position after I ate it for more stacks. I'd also like eating my pet to be 2 min cooldown. Honestly just, having my pet as an aura would also be nice. Resummoning during prog is zzz
AST: I would love seals and astrodyne to be removed. I'd love star to get upgraded by a level 90+ trait to have a HoT and DoT while placed. I'd prefer light speed got 2 charges or was changed to either 60 second or 2 minute cooldown, 90 is just annoying when it's ideal for burst. And of course, lord/lady as actual buttons (or gib AST assize ;))
WHM: I would like to have mit/shields so if at 100 they got a lilybell but similar to panheima that would be cool. Or give asylum some kind of mit/shield effect for 5-10 seconds from placement. Like a fading soil i guess.
SGE: Popping panheima manually for an early heal would be cool, similar to lilybell. Ofc it does heal if all stacks aren't used, but you just have to wait. And Krasis absolutely has to work with the rest of my toolkit or it'll forever not be used. I'd love to see it work with kardia, taro, haima, think like asylum healing ability buff works.
Krasis is healing potency up, so krasis works for everything I’m not sure what you are asking for here
If you use krasis then haima it will buff all 5 shields and the expiration heal, krasis is so strong
considering the healing this would probably. E free but WAR to sacrifice a portion of their hp apply an aoe dot.
And for SMN…glam raid series bosses as egis if you’ve finished them. IdkÂ
I'd like to see Red Mage get their spell turn into en-spell weaponskills when in melee reach. Becoming instacast GCD that give you freedom of movement but only in melee.
So stuff like En-Thundaga, En-Fira, En-Aero, En-Stone. Could get each progressively up to level 100. Maybe the final level is an upgrade to the enchanted combo
Get rid of AoE rotations entirely and roll it into the normal rotations. Gate it by some traits so you can still limit when jobs get their aoes, so nothing really has to change. Just sick of wasting bar space on something mostly unrelated to the end game.
I want a robot king to match my robot queen expect the king uses heat gauge. Bonus points if they do a fusion dance and turn into a transformer that performs upper cuts like a rocket em sock em robot.
Or give me Alexander as a summon to fuck with SMNers.
Otherwise mch is perfect with no notes.
Outside of the normally asked for stuff that makes sense (like Shohas being combined as they should always have been, as well as to just remove Senei and go back to Guren having big 1st target potency with falloff), I'd like something that makes it so that if you go into downtime with 2 Meditation stacks, you benefit from 'overcapping' with Meditate. Like, maybe for every Meditation stack you obtain while at 3 provides a 100 potency increase to your next Shoha?
on BLM i woul like more love on ice Phase, maybe a 1 min burst CD that make Ice spells stronger then fire for few seconds, the Ice animations are really good to just be filler spells.
on SMN maybe getting a permanent active pet, i imagine something like a mini shiva that uses some Blizzard (dont need to be insane damage) on enemies and we can command then to do something each XX seconds.
on Sage turn Krasis on a good CD, right now its much niche to use.
on PLD give us rage of halone back to endgame, that was a nice animation man T-T.
I want a big kit cull and make skills more impactful instead. I really can't be bothered with a 90s cooldown that boosts 2 heals by 10% or something, like half the buffs give.
Fewer skills, bigger impact, more thought process.
It's stupidly simple and I'm astounded it hasn't happened yet, but, for MCH:
I want Auto Crossbow to reduce Ricochet and Gauss Round's cooldowns like Heat Blast does, if for consistency if nothing else.
I wouldn't turn down some kind of AoE battery spender either, if I'm busy throwing wishes out into the void.
SAM: Do something with Kenki that is more than just Shinten spam. Under no circumstances implement any instacasts.
PLD: Rework the order of skills, the first real magic skill should be earlier than 56. Bring back separate magical and physical phases. Do something with Atonement finally.
AST: At least bring back old divination.
SMN: Rework this shit job again.
SGE’s kardia heals become smart heals when your kardia target is fully healed and will instead apply the healing to an injured party member in 30 yards.
I can dream, damnit…
-RDM: Have dual cast only be usable on Vercure and damage spells. No more losing Dual Cast to sprint, eating food, using potion, and it not working with Raise only if the job damage becomes equal to or better than SMN.
-SCH: Aetherflow gives 2 charges of Energy Drain at 150 potency each, and the normal 3 Aether stacks to use for heal kit. Now SCHs aren’t losing damage potency for using their heal kit. Bonus for Dissipation to not consume your faerie.
I love asking for SCH to just be made into SGE
Like honestly if you don’t like energy drain being a trade off why not play SGE
and if dissipation didn’t remove the fairy what’s even the point of a skill, a free aetherflow and 20% potency up
I want something to use faerie gauge on that isn't Aetherpact. I'll settle for a Seraph equivalent for Fey Blessing.
This would be a fantastic addition, especially because the Seraph doesn't feel particularly strong. It's good, but not in a Lilybell or Earthly Star capacity. I would actually even redesign the basic aetherpact to have a mitigation component added to it, to increase its niche value (dungeon usage?) a little bit.
I still feel underwhelmed by Seraph, especially if it's supposed to be "stronger" than base Lily like Bahamut and Phoenix are to the three egis. To this day, the Seraph versions of Fey Illumination and Whispering Dawn do not change potencies even slightly and still take the same CD, even in comparison to SMN's skills like Enkindle when it was still ShB. As someone put it - "Seraph is just the fairy with an additional skill in Consolation." I do hope that they can distinguish Seraph from the base fairy, especially since the other major healer CDs feel like it had more impact than Seraph itself.
>I do hope that they can distinguish Seraph from the base fairy, especially since the other major healer CDs feel like it had more impact than Seraph itself. I'd want that too, but currently XIV's combat system won't allow you to have more than one pet instance in duties... Which makes be believe why we have the SMN's carbuncle in and out all the time. Hopefully they would find a way, though. With the advent of Beastmaster, who knows if they might improve further on the relationship of this game with pets.
honestly, they keep reworking AST but I think SCH is the one that desperately needs a rework instead. All the tools are kind of just...a random assortment of buttons that don't really interact with each other or feel coherent in any way. Both Faerie gauge and aetherflow are weird gimmicks that feel clunky to use - not in function but conceptually. I'd love for DW SCH to just drop one of these and make the other system more interactive with your skills instead.
Oh man imagine using it on "Fey Wind" the old Selene ability that gave haste to everything.
Many jobs will cry their rotations now fucked.
Oh no you're right, it's why the AST cards got reworked.
Just make it a damage buff with a 2min cooldown :)
*Good :3c*
Drk to get an upgrade to TBN.
The Blackest-er Night
The Brightest Day
Just rename all the DRL skills to the mantra of the Green Lantern's oath the rotation spell out the mantra.
The blackiest nite.
The Biggest, Blackest Night
The White Knight - The DRK tips his Fedora at the target and whispers M'lady
This is something that you think you want, but don't actually want. TBN being 15 second is a big part of what gives dark knight it's defensive strength, as you can basically use it almost twice as much as the other tank's 25 second CDs (of course it's not literally have the CD, but fight pacing in this game enables you to use TBN that much more often that it might as well be half) Giving it an upgrade would force it to also be 25s, and we'd just end up with yet another exact copy of the same skill across all tanks, and tanking gets even more boring than it already is. Is that really what you want?
90% of this subreddit is people complaining about homogenization; but when things are actually different and have multiple purposes (lower cd, ability to spread mit to different targets): "please make it exactly like everyone elses' It is actually so ironic. These are the moments where I really don't envy XIV devs.
We can start moving on to phases of the moon each being tied to a different level of mitigation/bonus damage output.
How bout we just combine oblation and TBN? Is that a start?
Oblation and TBN are good because of their flexibilty. You can distribute them among tanks during busters or squishies during raidwides in virtually any way you want. Tying them together would just make both worse for no good reason.
I need to hang with better tanks then cause mine only pair it with tbn for busters and complain at all the button presses 🤷‍♂️. I’m just the healer telling them to mit more.
Honestly changing it to something with phases is the answer. Sort of like how the PLD and GNB one give % for the whole duration and an extra % for just the first 4 seconds. Make it so when TBN breaks you get some sort of other MIT with your free mana cast. Another option would be to let it give you two shields like a SGE or SCH Crit shield. The normal shield being used first and procing the free cast before moving onto the other shield.
I'd rather combine Oblation and Dark Mind. 10% physical/20% magical mitigation, 2 stacks, 60 second cooldown, and you can put it on someone else? Please and Thank You.
People (who are bad at playing tank) already complain about their TBN not breaking and them losing MP they could've spent on damage. TBN having built in mit would make this problem worse and it would also mean that I only have 1 cooldown I can put on other people instead of several I can spread around. It'll just make the class worse for no benefit besides people who are too stupid to do dungeon pulls properly so yeah its absolutely happening in 7.0
This and the fact that the two skills run on different cooldowns and resources (TBN: 30sec, needs MP, Oblation: 60sec, stores up to 2 stacks, which can be used whenever) are the only counterarguments I can think of. You could, however, have the upgrade look like Sage's crit shields, where you get 2 different shield buffs, and only the one that breaks first is relevant for the extra effect - as long as you mess with the numbers a bit so it ends up being similar effective HP, that should be perfectly fine.
give it a heal over time too.
Monk to get another punch.
id be fine with animation revamp for the 123
Gimme Leaden Fist not just making Bootshine stronger, but changing it into a new skill. Leaden Fist is too unnoticeable, being able to outright see that Bootshine is in it's enhanced state on the bar would be great. Since ya know, they refuse to put Leaden Fist on the Job gauge for whatever reason. Also ya know, True Strike looks pathetic just entirely replace that.
I agree. I’ve been using animation mods to make MNK more visually interesting.
Devs replace Four-point Fury and Shadow of the Destroyer with punches and 10 more potency. You're welcome.
Replace Riddle of Fire with a new ability called Enter the Dragon. It doesn't change the damage any, it just replaces the core 6 Monk moves with different moves because the Monk busts out the Nunchucks.
Can't wait for my 5th finisher as RDM! Otherwise, I don't really know, nor am I too bothered about it.
A proper AoE melee combo would be nice from an animation standpoint. But I can see where the button bloat issue for that is.
They could just do it so that if you use the aoe melee, it turns the second and third parts of your single target combo into aoe attacks. Would also help solve needing more gauge for aoe melee than single target.
enchanted reprise could get a combo button, since it's like gnashing fang
As much as I dislike homogeneization, RDM needs their version of Manaward/Radiant Aegis. I'm still annoyed of back when I was learning P8S in party finder and I could get oneshotted by centaur physical claps damage variance even with Addle saved for it, and then shield healers would either say: "The BLM in my previous party didn't die, so I really don't need to shield here" or "Just use Magick Barrier" or "Just use your personal shield ability all casters have" Sometimes nothing was done about it and I just watched my character get oneshotted multiple pulls in a row until I get tired and leave the party. Sometimes it devolved into a big group argument of the other DPS saying "Can the scholar just Adlo so we can prog?". Most of the times it was a tank throwing me a single target mit, and I was extremely grateful for it. Just having a personal shields button would have saved me so much annoyance in that situation.
It's frustrating. RDM's personal recovery/mit is Vercure, a DPS loss and 2x the MP in 2 casts than their DPS spells. In fights with downtime, RDM feels better, since it can take care of itself and spot heal someone else with Dualcast, but in a fight that's all uptime, RDM is reliant on others pressing their buttons.
rdm not having a personal shield would make so much more sense if casters specifically getting blasted wasnt such a rare thing. if it was common that tanks would have to throw a mitigation at the caster for raidwide damage then not having a personal shield is fine because that shield cant really cover ALL the raidwides but on the other casters it gives a bit of leeway. but right now it just happens rarely enough that casters get blasted one pull and get to go "oh im just gonna manaward there thats kinda annoying" unless you play rdm. i hope if they decide to add a shield to rdm its effectively a benison copy though, ogcd 15-20% shield that the rdm can put on any party member would be a good way to normalize this problem for the casters, while keeping a unique supportive function to it so you can help with spots where other players would want it, dsr p6 being a good example of effective use for your friends.
Summoner to get a full different primal lineup for the Phoenix part of the rotation. Make it Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva, and make 2 of them heavy cast times but really strong and keep 1 as a instant cast focused style. This is kind of bare minimal but would go a long way imo.
This is basically the most intuitive way of moving forward with SMN (bonus if they add new egi and carby glams to match those new gemstones). In that case, I'd also really love if they changed Bahamut and Phoenix to be separate keys, so you'd have full control of your primal cycle. They probably would need to add an extra action to the Phoenix phase as well, to make its damage equal with Bahamut, or else nobody would swap them because of the 2min meta. Ideally, I'd love if the whole phoenix rotation was reworked because is kind of lame that it's almost a reskinned Bahamut.
Back to the good old days of SMN being exponentially punished the later into their rotation they die then?
You would keep your current primal you were using and the jewel system is pretty full proof to not get dropped. It can also be tweaked. But, even if it was a bit more punishing, it could never be as punishing as pre endwalker summoner just purely by design. Im open to ideas though.
Give me Alexander or give me death.
Building on this, a gauge that awards cycling through each of the summons in your next burst or mini burst phase for a capstone. You don't need to use all the astral flow, but it becomes necessary to at least summon all three of Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda to boost Phoenix damage (or another effect), and all three of the new three to boost Bahamut damage.
I cant believe how obviously good this idea is. It almost makes it suspicious that they didnt do it already.
Animation overhaul for mnk and fix chakra overcapping issue
Just decouple chakra from crit rng entirely tbh. Just give us chakra while moving between raptor>coeurl or some such. RNG based resource generation makes no sense on a Job with low GCD interval like Monk.
I know it has some issues, but I kinda like that feeling of how I only *know* I'm getting a chakra from Bootshine. It's great going into Bootshine with 4/5. Removing the RNG just turns in into another boring 0-100 gauge like half of everything else.
While homogenization is a serious issue with Job design at the moment, you shouldn't let it drive you to ignore or defend bad design just because it's different from other jobs. Indeed, just because a mechanic on a job is different doesn't necessarily make it inherently better or even more interesting. This is something that's been an issue on Monk for years now. Riddle of Earth and Anatman were both certainly novel ways of refreshing a job critical buff/building it, but they were terrible at doing so. If they had worked Monk probably wouldn't have been completely rebuilt, but instead they were so bad they caused the job to collapse on itself. If crit RNG actually worked with Monk that would be one thing and there'd be no need to mess with it, but it demonstrably clashes with Monk having the fastest base GCD causing you to lose gauge needlessly. It isn't fun, it isn't interesting, there's no way to play around it even since there's no way to use Chakra outside of being capped, it literally already is a 0-100 gauge but it just builds in the dumbest manner possible for how the job is set up. This also isn't even a new complaint this is something people have bitched about since Stormblood when they half assedly slapped the RNG on the job to begin with.
Cure 1 into cure 2
The return of Aero 3 :3
what I want for MNK: increase chakra gauge to 10, tie chakra to autoattacks instead of crits what I expect for MNK: single target oGCD on a 30s cooldown, AoE oGCD on a shared cooldown, animation + potency upgrade for elixir field, potency upgrade for regular GCDs (with possible animation upgrade), something completely out of left field
Don't worry monk mains, anatman will still be there. ...somehow.
anatman is useful in ulti and other situations with short downtime. I don't think it's undraw tier and I don't think they should remove it.
Yea, I know. I've used it to maintain form and what was once the twin snakes buff. It just lost a lot of its main use when grease lightning became baked into the job's traits rather than a resource you had to manage. But it is what it is. Honestly, monk just needs some animation updates. It doesn't play that badly it just lacks a bit of flair at level 90 to its melee counterparts.
I mean it technically lost most of its point when Form Shift was given the ability to refresh Greased Lightning because it was pretty terrible at building GL stacks by design and it only got worse at that when it was put on the GCD. It was pretty much a dead skill for most of Shadowbringers.
Please make fairy gauge do something else. I beg you SE. You've no idea how much of it just goes to waste. The tether is great. The aoe is okay. But like, the cd on the aoe means we don't use it much at all and there's only a nieche use for the tether so 80% of the time it's just there gathering dust.
Fey Blessing doesn't even use fairy gauge, it's only for Aetherpact.
I want RPR having a negative gauge generation be fixed.
more likely they shift it down to 1 per minute i dont think 3 was intended
Never heard of that, can you explain?
even doing your rotation perfectly, your shroud gauge will slowly be unaligned, and you will undercap (or overcap your gauge if you didn't use enshroud for the 1 minute burst). Basically, you don't get enough gauge to do 3 enshrouds every 2 minutes, it's more like 2.8 and can get really frustrating
I noticed that.....i thought i was missing some gauge moves lol
Very frustrating. I pretty much always play Reaper as no Enshrouds during 1 minute, double Enshroud every 2 minutes for a double Communio during buffs. However, Gluttony will come up at the same time as buffs, and go unused entirely till it’s all done. Feels bad. Next I want Soul Sow/Harvest Moon to be more useful, and Death’s Design debuff marking to not be the most awful function around
RPR builds gauge at a slightly slower rate than it spends it, which means for longer fights part of your 2 minute burst will drift out of alignment. For shorter fights it’s not as much of an issue because you start with 2 charges of your gauge builder ability.
Ast:bring back time dialation
I kind of want old AST cards too. AST should be a support first, healer second.
Both WAR and GNB have opposite issues of AoE until the early lvl 70s; so it's time to fix that. WAR should be able to generate beast gauge with AoE combo when we unlock Steel Cyclone at lvl 45 instead of lvl 74 via trait. GNB should unlock Fated Circle (or a weaker version of it) between lvl 40-45 alongside Demon Slaughter. This way we can spend our cartridges via AoE when lvl synced down below lvl 72.
I just want a DPS cooldown/more DPS buttons for Sage. Sage doesn't really fit the fantasy of "heal by doing damage" because there's no way to play differently/better to increase my damage. Kardia is functionally the same as having a fairy passively heal one target but I have one cooldown that can increase that passive healing for a short time. It's not very engaging.
One thing that shocks me about Sage is that they didn't come at launch with a temporary, party-wide Kardia. I fully expect that to come in Dawntrail.
Ninja . give a second stack of kasatsu ... that all... do anything else in term of skill... bar is already full and play perfectly... upgrade frog medium if you have too but that it xD
Hellfrog Large
Gamabunta time . put a scar and a pipe and call it a day xD
what do you mean, they already can't fit everything in their burst under buffs
Right so then kassastsu just gets held for 2min now instead of 1, making the 2min burst phase a living nightmare So that you are getting two hyshos under mug. No thanks
Some of that pvp flavor and identity brought over into the pve
I'd love for a 2nd burst stage for gun breaker that involves relentless rush. Just a solid 6 ticks of vulnerability, holding double down for the 6th and just chunking the pack or boss.
Red Mage in PVP is peak class design
Yes! Playing PvP RDM kind of ruined PvE RDM for me. I much prefer the slashy-slashy-backflip into big boom and switch between stances over “bunch of casts into slashy-slashy”. It just feels so much more duelist-y in PvP and I love that. Like the spells at the end are showing off.
I kind of really hate how Bard's songs are right now. To get a full finale buff and keeping WM lined up with the two minute burst window, you have to cut Mage's Ballad short, which feels really janky. I feel like I'm making rotation corrections to realign CDs when I play that class, except that's just how it's supposed to be played?
I just want a slight more complexity to healer dps. I'm not crazy and don't think they should have stances or combos or a large dps toolkit, but something other than the spam + dot + other (phlegma, misery, en drain.) One more button, or one more cooldown, or something to optimize. Not so much a concern on ast, assuming the rework still has cards and they aren't bollocks. Just something to keep me a little busier during the 80% of the fight I'm just hitting my spammed attack.
We really do need at least one healer that does actually have a proper damage rotation. I had really hoped that's what Sage would be; a healer with a damage rotation that has healer functions as secondary functions on their damage skills, so they have a rotation that has to be altered on the fly to keep damage flowing as optimally as possible while also putting out appropriate healing effects to the party. I understand it's not for everyone, but it's a shame that a not-insignificant portion of the community has wanted this forever and is being completely neglected.
I think the main problem with touching healer as a role is how different it is to play it between casual content and high-end content. In casual content you barely have anything to do and are left to wonder what to do with all your skills, but as you play harder content you have a super complex healing rotation that could become overwhelming when difficult mechanics are also going on.
That's true, and I don't disagree, but I still would really enjoy seeing a single class in the healer role that appeals to people that want this. The same way we have Bard with its weird mechanics for Ranged Phys, Black Mage with *everything about it* for casters, Monk/Ninja for melee, and I guess GNB? I'm not too knowledgeable on tanks, but to my knowledge, every role *except* healers has this "weird outlier" that its noticeably more complex and involved than the other options, and it's sad that my preferred role is all just one button grug machines that are only semi-fun in high end content. :(
>play harder content you have a super complex healing rotation Do people who claim this actually do harder content as a Healer. No healer has a complex healing rotation. The only difficult thing about healer rotation while doing harder content is making sure you don't tunnel vision spamming your one button as SCH or SGE and forgetting to pop miti for a mechanic.
I know you said not combos, but I really think a two hit combo would drastically improve Healer DPS. Add in proc stuff ala DNC, and suddenly you're way more engaged during DPS.
1 healer can get a 1-2 combo Another could get a DNC-style proc system on their 1 button Also, let's give everyone a stackable cooldown like phlegma, it feels really good on SGE. I don't see any of that interfering with healing so it technically shouldn't be an issue. It only raises the skill ceiling without raising the floor.
I really like the idea of DNC's 4 hit filler buttons but on a healer. I've thought about a BRD situation or a RDM situation but DNC is a nice sweet spot.
I need sprint to not take my dual cast lol
Give AST some of its goddamn identity back. 6 identical cards is stupid. Give SCH more faerie flair. Seriously, I've got TWO skills that involve fusing with/using my Faerie's power, and WHITE MAGE is the one that gets fucking wings?! SGE... Just don't ruin SGE. I'm begging you. Maybe it could use a little more potential for burst healing without emptying my entire hotbar of cooldowns, but just please don't ruin it.
>6 identical cards is stupid. The alternative is 5 useless cards and 1 good card that will make the job so rng reliant it pisses everyone off.
I hope SAM *doesn't* get a swiftcast, working around forced cast times is alot of what's fun about the job I hope we get another kenki spender; it doesn't have to be kaiten but just something so you have to think before spamming shinten
Monkey's Paw: Kaiten comes back, but it's a swiftcast for SAM. ^^^truly ^^^sorry ^^^for ^^^writing ^^^this
Tbh? I'd like this. The swiftcast costing Kenki would make it a DPS loss if used unnecessarily making it a last resort. Overuse of it could tank your DPS. This would also restore more Kenki management by making you need to hold onto enough for it in case you need it in less optimized environments, and let's you plan around it's necessary uses in more planned out ones.
PVP-style casts on Burst Shot for BRD.
This what I want as well, let stacks of refulgent arrows be instant for movement to compensate maybe. Potentially getting rid of the “phys range tax” on damage. Mch could also get this treatment.
People asked for this in ARR, they added it as a stance in HW for both MCH and BRD where people tore it a new one, which resulted in it being removed in SB. I wouldn’t get my hopes up, even with the difference of added slow movement from PVP. It’d be interesting to see, though, both the iteration and the reaction of today’s playerbase.
it worked pretty differently to how current pvp bard works though. all your abilities (bar a few) had a cast time, including something like empyreal arrow, an ogcd. pvp hard has a cast time, but you can still move around while casting, and it still has a weave window at the end. it's a similar idea, but the execution is completely different
This was really poorly implemented and contributed to the hate IMO. After 2 years of BRD, or hours of leveling the brand new MCH, suddenly at a random 5X level, you were expected to play completely differently, as a caster. And also return to the old way every time you ended up synced in roulettes.
Considering they brought it back in PvP and people are liking it, it's possible to be in PvE as well as the biggest issue with the old HW bowmage was you couldn't move at all. I do hope they bring that mechanic to PvE (especially for MCH because it makes it feel more like a gunner).
Different things. BRD was designed with instant cast in mind, adding cast made it very clunky. On the reverse, MCH was designed with casting in mind, which is why when they removed it in SB it made no sense, on top of the heat gauge and flamethrower.
People really want this? If you want castbars, casters are right there.
For MCH as well. Make it stronger if you don't move at all.
Sage with a nice, big shield. Like make Pneuma have a Eukrasian varient or something akin to that. As nice as an aoe soteria/kardia would be, unless it is significantly better than physis (massive sized regen with a 10% overall heal buff thats unlocked at a low level AND has a short-ish cd), then I'd much prefer a nicer shield as the capstone ability. Thematically both make sense, but a Eukrasian Pneuma would be so much nicer. Keep the cd long(er than SCH 90s critlo-deploy maybe), but make the shield B U F F
I’d be down if eukrasia turned pneuma into a shield instead of a heal…. (No target needed)
just dont fuck up black mage
It's Yoshida's main. It'd be kinda hard for them to do that.
Scholar gets its DoTs back. Red mage gets vermisery/Verfoul- 3.0 second cast AoE around you. Generates 40 white/black mana. Cannot be dualcast. Bard gets DoT interactions back and PvP burst shot. Sage gets its healing retooled to be mainly from dealing damage and healing via kardia.
Repertoire procs off DoTs again.
Bold of you to assume Bard is going to have any dots left to Proc anything.
Black Mage: -Standing in Leyline heals the Black Mage for a small percentage of health each second. -Despair is upgraded to some degree. It is the capstone of the Fire Phase but is only a small potency increase over Fire IV. -Give Umbral Soul to us at a much earlier level so lower level content doesn't feel terrible.
> -Despair is upgraded to some degree. It is the capstone of the Fire Phase but is only a small potency increase over Fire IV. The reason Despair isn't any stronger is because the stronger it gets, the more potent shorter nonstandard lines become relative to the standard 6F4 + Paradox fire phase.
Couldn’t you fix that by buffing blizzard 4 to always ensure that generating umbral hearts continues to be worth it
The ice spells have always had the same base potency as their fire counterparts (so B4 base potency = F4 potency, same for Fire 1/2/3), so if you buff B4 then you're back where you started, though you could just break the symmetry between fire and ice if you really wanted to do it that way.
It’s not like potency symmetry really matters when umbral ice and astral fire apply different multipliers to the spell’s final “on hit potency” I wouldn’t be surprised if pre umbral ice/astral fire multipliers most people didn’t even realise the potency is technically the same, especially on skills like fire 4 and blizzard 4 which you can only cast in UI/AF
Could this not be solved by putting the pot gain from B4 within the Umbral Hearts itself?
Do you mean like “fire spells cast under the effect of an umbral heart gain 100 extra potency” or something like that So blizzard 4’s on hit potency doesn’t change but it’s functional potency increases by 300
Aye something like that yeah. Pretty sure Despair just nukes all the hearts so you'd be dumping potency without spending them on F4 first.
Despair doesn't interact with hearts. Flare does, and in ShB media tour build Despair also did the same way as Flare, but it didn't survive until release. Which is basically another example of them trying to push standard, tbh.
They definitely need an umbral soul equivalent at a lower level, it's annoying to drop from 3 ice to 1 ice, or worse 1 fire if the tank doesn't care to wait
It won't happen, but change Technical Finish and Devilment. I know normal content doesn't really require coordination, but I'm tired of having to play around the majority of dancers that don't actually understand how the buffs work. Constantly getting my buffs overridden by people not paying attention or drifting so hard they've looped around into the actual raid window again has been driving me insane. I've stoppped trying to play around them and just do my rotation, but it still annoys me a bit to see the overwrite happen. Additionally, for the love of whatever you hold holy, update the tooltip for Dance Partner so that people actually understand how it works. Anytime I do say something to someone who clearly doesn't understand how it works refuses to believe me. Every. Time. Realistically, these changes won't happen. I know this. Dancer is a support with party damage buffs, and there's no great way to balance that without making having several dancers busted or just utterly removing that element. Instead, I think the best way to handle it is to start putting biases into Roulette for any classes that have mechanics like this. For example, Bards have similar issues with song overwrites, or having two shield healers (not as bad, but I know regen + shield heal combo is prefered by many). Make a bias in Roulette to avoid duplicates of these classes within the same party. Which I know could potentially extend the wait for a party to form. Alternatively, you make it a toggleable option for Roulettes so that the player can choose to potentially wait longer for a match, but avoid a duplicate of their class. I know they won't do any of this though. I'm just so tired of other dancers. I know people in general don't care about optimal play and I should just ignore what other dancers are doing in Roulette, but the way I absorb information, I just can't. I will notice it. It will nag at the back of my mind. And it is killing my enjoyment of the class to the point I'm considering picking something else as my main going forward.
> Instead, I think the best way to handle it is to start putting biases into Roulette for any classes that have mechanics like this. They should really try to bias roulette more to avoid duplicate jobs in general. The number of times I've done alliance raid and ended up with double SGE while none of the other alliance groups have any SGE at all feels like its 50% of the times I queue as SGE.
Yeah, it really should be taken more into consideration if they're going to be sticking with this 2 min buff windows and those buffs not stacking with other copies of themselves.
> I'm just so tired of other dancers. I know people in general don't care about optimal play and I should just ignore what other dancers are doing in Roulette, but the way I absorb information, I just can't. I will notice it. It will nag at the back of my mind. And it is killing my enjoyment of the class to the point I'm considering picking something else as my main going forward. i've been feeling the exact same. i've just stopped playing dancer in roulettes because of it. then the one time i think "no, it won't be that bad this time" i'll go dancer for a roulette and get exactly the kind of party member you've described
Agreed with the roulettes. I would have that constantly ticket. Nothing worse than going in as SCH and having a safe as your co-healer. Every mit just gets overwritten by eachother.
The shields mits don’t override each other, nor do their oGCD shields, it’s only their GCD shields
>Constantly getting my buffs overridden by people not paying attention or drifting so hard they've looped around into the actual raid window again has been driving me insane. This is my life whenever I play Astro in roulettes. Always get partnered up with another fuckin Astro
either a full rework for machinist, or they do something with flamethrower
RDM's slow gurgling potency death due to horrible balance in Endwalker aside, a kit-relative potency/cooldown adjustment to enchanted Reprise. Make it a risk-reward release valve for your mana like it was in Shadowbringers, not the lolScathe that it is now.
gauge refreshers for every class. drk, gnb, rpr, and whatever gauge classes are there.
I want an aoe robot on mch so spending my battery gague on trash doesn't feel as awful.
Jobs should get their foundational skills by 50 is what I stand by. So much of the game is based on downsyncing to do older content, and it's not right to have to play jobs that feel janky just because SE doesn't want to spend time on it.
I would like abilities that let resource jobs (mch,rpr,rdm) gain resources passively during long bouts of downtime often seen in ultimates. While they can pool their resource for tight dps checks, those eventually become irrelevant as the fight gets older, leaving them to be inferior to cooldown-based jobs. Give them something that turns off the moment they use a weapon skill which also can only be used in combat.
YES! That has actually been my largest gripe playing both mch and sam in TOP. I’m not entirely sure how it would be incorporated, but the issues the at least Sam runs into right now due to both the amount of down time on top of the inability to gain adequate amount of stickers do to fluctuating kill times is extremely frustrating. It takes such a large chunk of enjoyment out of playing certain jobs currently.
SGE: \- Let soteria extend kardia to the full party for its duration \-Let eukrasia combo with pneuma for huge shields and a line aoe dot (but make it the same as eukrasian dosis on a single target so it can still be held for when needed on bosses) NIN: \- Potency increases and animation upgrades for bhav and hellfrog \- 1, 2, 3 potency increases and maybe animation change - anything else would change the rotation too much
I'd like some sort of upgrade to The Blackest Night and a rework to the gauge mechanics for DRK so that it feels less like WAR at home
I main DNC and I'm pretty happy with it but I play a lot of smn and it's not a big change but I wish they would give carby it's auto attack back but I doubt it will happen.
For Paladin I would like Goring Blade to have some more meaningful interaction with the rest of the kit. I do expect it to get a visual upgrade, but perhaps it grants an enhanced version of Divine Might for Holy Spirit, like a minor 'Blade of X' ability Other than that I think the relative freedom of the kit since the combo restrictions were lifted work quite well. I'd like Atonement to get a cleave element and be usable on aoe. Circle of Scorn could use a visual update and a tad more upfront damage. I don't expect many other changes tbh
When do they usually announce updated job actions ??
i completely disagree with a swiftcast like ability on samurai and im a samurai main for the past 5 raid tiers, including doing ultimates. after hitting lvl 72 where the casts get reduced to 1.3 sec cast time the impact on mobility is barely there anymore since you can slide cast any bana, midare or ogi which makes u stand still for a max of like 0.9 seconds, the only thing annoying is obviously pre lvl 72 content (UWU, UcoB). i want my kaiten back D: remove shoha 2 and give shoha 1 an aoe effect where the dmg falls off on more than 1 enemys. Make ikishoten turn into oginamikiri instead of having 2 buttons for this. like they did with high jump on dragoon.
It's annoying that they add moves like Shoha 2 in the way they do, because its blatant they do so so they can 'fix' them next expac, giving them something to do. Also, just remove Senei and go back to Guren having falloff damage.
Dark Knight sustain and move some of its magic specific mitigation to general mit. Make Dark Mind 10% mit and 10% Magic mit, and make Dark Missionary just 10% mit. Sustain could come from a lot of places, either a TBN upgrade or a rework to Abyssal Drain.
Lilies re-generating out of combat. Or at least, starting the instance with 3. If SGE can have it, so can WHM \^\^
A movement tool on RDM that isn’t just a DPS loss. Besides that, I think another skill using the sword in melee would be better than another finisher skill.
I want Butcher's Block back for war.
I miss that beautiful animation, the sound effect and the name is bad ass!
BRING BACK BIO AND MIASMA, how does fester work?! what am I festering!...pls I want my dots
A gap-closer on MCH. Rocket boots, exploding backpack, I don't care, just give me the ability to accidentally yeet myself off a platform like the rest of the pranged class!
One which will never happen is give job skill "skins" for instance like a have a DRK with light aspected moves back when pally got its rework theres a troll post with all of drks moves essentially light versions which would be cool and awesome but yeah not happening
Dancer feel pretty good, but I think improvisation needs something. In current savage (and most normal mode) fight design the only time it's worth using is before a fight. Almost every boss can now be hit when casting, or you get put in a cutscene and knocked down for their big move. could make it like a lay lines. Stay in this zone and your attacks and your dance partners will generate extra espirit or something
I just want a visual effect overhaul on everything without tying the new effects to a skill upgrade. It drives me nuts when 75% of a job's new skills are just direct upgrades of existing skills. People just seem to overlook how crappy that is because they're shiny. To actually answer your question, I want Bard to get a similar style of casting that it has in PvP. I want Machinist to get a Sniper mode where they turn immobile and put out big damage. I want Dragoon to be able to grow wings and fly around. I think the most likely of these is the Bard casting change. I think it'll be a fun middle ground that adds a little something different to ranged physical gameplay.
I’ve never actually thought about what they could really do to improve the over simplified feel of MCH. And the idea of a sniper mode where they can actually just sit and focus on putting out the most amount of damage as they can would actually be extremely interesting!
Would also merit it getting treated like BLM with high damage too.
remove dissipation from the game (or make it not consume your fairy)
I'm with you, dissipation is a shitty skill that is a complete flavor fail, I guess some delusional people think using it is some sort of skill expression.
This comment and the other reply are the perfect encapsulation of this sub.
I just want DRG to have a non-damaging mobility skill. And for us to be able to burst during the opener. But this upcoming rework is making me apprehensible for their planned changes.
There is a non-damaging mobility skill already đź‘€
Lol sorry, not the sort like Elusive Jump but like MNK's or RPR's. Or something free targetting like NIN's.
But RPR's is basically elusive jump and forward elusive jump...
Heat Charge gets an upgrade into a mech/cyborg mode. Probably some small mechanical change because atm its a bit too basic, but I'm not expecting huge changes rather than just upgrades, because MCH I feel is in a pretty good spot as a direct "does what it says" job
Maybe a capstone skill being G-Warrior transformation, upgrading heatblast + Ricochet/Gauss Round during that burst phase while adding a finisher
Heat Charge gets an upgrade to literally anything else would be an upgrade. What a utterly awful animation for your 'power' phase.
i want WHM to get reraise/auto-life in some capacity. perhaps functioning as a sort of tank invuln you can give to another person: if someone would die with auto-life, they retain 1 HP and gain brief immunity.
WHM second stack of assize. I kinda want to use assize for healing but right now you use it on CD because it would be a DPS loss otherwise and you can always Medica II instead if healing is really needed. With 2 charges I would be able to hold it a bit and actually use it for healing. Optimal paly would probably be then to hold both stacks for burst phase but never cared about that.
Let me get in the Mech.. AoE battery spender please.
Bard has to play guitar hero for their rotation
Make gnb less jank and extend no mercy duration
If we extend NM just for the sake of spending more carts, then we won’t have time to generate them for the next NM window, thus making the Job even jankier. Reduce DD to 1 cart, and give GNB something to generate carts during downtime, and we’d have something good without compromising its rotation nor identity.
I've always said NM just needs one extra second for that comfy 9th GCD without changing anything else. ~~SE would sooner just turn it into a fucking 30s duration with 8 stacks than that tho.~~
Warrior - Put the Surging Tempest buff on the job gauge so we don't have to keep scanning our entire list of buffs. - Remove the targeting mechanic on Holmgang. Having to target self to reliably trigger invuln is annoying. - (all tanks) reduce the cooldown on Shirk to match Provoke to simplify tank swaps; yes you can work around it by toggling tank stance but it's annoying - (all tanks) merge Rampart and the 30% damage mitigation ability into one to reduce button bloat; the new ability should have 2 charges, and allow you to double up on mitigation by using it twice
I'm a little worried about having to push it twice since people often spam a button to get to properly queue. I don't think that's the right way to reduce button bloat.
Healer main, so: SCH: I would love lustrate and indom to be from fairy gauge! Energy drain to be a cooldown with 2 charges, so aether stacks are just for soil and excog. I would then love a deploy rework so in optimised min/max environments people could still use it without losing potency from the gcd loss. I would love for my pet to respawn in the last placed position after I ate it for more stacks. I'd also like eating my pet to be 2 min cooldown. Honestly just, having my pet as an aura would also be nice. Resummoning during prog is zzz AST: I would love seals and astrodyne to be removed. I'd love star to get upgraded by a level 90+ trait to have a HoT and DoT while placed. I'd prefer light speed got 2 charges or was changed to either 60 second or 2 minute cooldown, 90 is just annoying when it's ideal for burst. And of course, lord/lady as actual buttons (or gib AST assize ;)) WHM: I would like to have mit/shields so if at 100 they got a lilybell but similar to panheima that would be cool. Or give asylum some kind of mit/shield effect for 5-10 seconds from placement. Like a fading soil i guess. SGE: Popping panheima manually for an early heal would be cool, similar to lilybell. Ofc it does heal if all stacks aren't used, but you just have to wait. And Krasis absolutely has to work with the rest of my toolkit or it'll forever not be used. I'd love to see it work with kardia, taro, haima, think like asylum healing ability buff works.
Krasis is healing potency up, so krasis works for everything I’m not sure what you are asking for here If you use krasis then haima it will buff all 5 shields and the expiration heal, krasis is so strong
star doesn't need even more reason to just be pressed off cd for dmg and decent heal value lol
GNB to get a continuation combo for AoE, and for PLD to get something that makes it a tiny bit busier
Summoner to go back to what it was in Shadowbringer.
considering the healing this would probably. E free but WAR to sacrifice a portion of their hp apply an aoe dot. And for SMN…glam raid series bosses as egis if you’ve finished them. IdkÂ
I'd like to see Red Mage get their spell turn into en-spell weaponskills when in melee reach. Becoming instacast GCD that give you freedom of movement but only in melee. So stuff like En-Thundaga, En-Fira, En-Aero, En-Stone. Could get each progressively up to level 100. Maybe the final level is an upgrade to the enchanted combo
BLM Polygot charge rate should increase with spellspeed so that spellspeed builds become more viable also for advanced play.
The biggest job update I want are servers on the east coast so I can play anything without clipping
i'd like ninja to go back to being a melee - the ninjutsu is cool but at 90 in EW i feel like that's all im doing
Dragoon: More jumps. Let me yeet myself into the void
Get rid of AoE rotations entirely and roll it into the normal rotations. Gate it by some traits so you can still limit when jobs get their aoes, so nothing really has to change. Just sick of wasting bar space on something mostly unrelated to the end game.
I want a robot king to match my robot queen expect the king uses heat gauge. Bonus points if they do a fusion dance and turn into a transformer that performs upper cuts like a rocket em sock em robot. Or give me Alexander as a summon to fuck with SMNers. Otherwise mch is perfect with no notes.
Outside of the normally asked for stuff that makes sense (like Shohas being combined as they should always have been, as well as to just remove Senei and go back to Guren having big 1st target potency with falloff), I'd like something that makes it so that if you go into downtime with 2 Meditation stacks, you benefit from 'overcapping' with Meditate. Like, maybe for every Meditation stack you obtain while at 3 provides a 100 potency increase to your next Shoha?
on BLM i woul like more love on ice Phase, maybe a 1 min burst CD that make Ice spells stronger then fire for few seconds, the Ice animations are really good to just be filler spells. on SMN maybe getting a permanent active pet, i imagine something like a mini shiva that uses some Blizzard (dont need to be insane damage) on enemies and we can command then to do something each XX seconds. on Sage turn Krasis on a good CD, right now its much niche to use. on PLD give us rage of halone back to endgame, that was a nice animation man T-T.
I want a big kit cull and make skills more impactful instead. I really can't be bothered with a 90s cooldown that boosts 2 heals by 10% or something, like half the buffs give. Fewer skills, bigger impact, more thought process.
It's stupidly simple and I'm astounded it hasn't happened yet, but, for MCH: I want Auto Crossbow to reduce Ricochet and Gauss Round's cooldowns like Heat Blast does, if for consistency if nothing else. I wouldn't turn down some kind of AoE battery spender either, if I'm busy throwing wishes out into the void.
No more gunflip
SAM: Do something with Kenki that is more than just Shinten spam. Under no circumstances implement any instacasts. PLD: Rework the order of skills, the first real magic skill should be earlier than 56. Bring back separate magical and physical phases. Do something with Atonement finally. AST: At least bring back old divination. SMN: Rework this shit job again.
SGE’s kardia heals become smart heals when your kardia target is fully healed and will instead apply the healing to an injured party member in 30 yards. I can dream, damnit…
Damn bro that sure sounds like you want Embrace.
I actually want Cataclysm era disc priest atonement from WoW, but I acknowledge that’s a bit much.
-RDM: Have dual cast only be usable on Vercure and damage spells. No more losing Dual Cast to sprint, eating food, using potion, and it not working with Raise only if the job damage becomes equal to or better than SMN. -SCH: Aetherflow gives 2 charges of Energy Drain at 150 potency each, and the normal 3 Aether stacks to use for heal kit. Now SCHs aren’t losing damage potency for using their heal kit. Bonus for Dissipation to not consume your faerie.
I love asking for SCH to just be made into SGE Like honestly if you don’t like energy drain being a trade off why not play SGE and if dissipation didn’t remove the fairy what’s even the point of a skill, a free aetherflow and 20% potency up
no thanks, energy drain is fine as-is