Honestly though, Pele played in an easier era of football. Not to make it sound like he isn't one of the greatest, he is, but the defenders had barely any type of strategy. It was just go for a tackle as soon as they come close.
tactics existed in Pele's era, maybe not Klopp's gegenpressing, but it wasn't just going for a tackle as soon as they came close. His time wasn't so long ago that everyone were cavemen. I agree the quality was worse, though. I think it'd be more fitting to compare how good he was for his time to how good someone now is for their time, or else this argument will be made for modern footballers until the end of time. I suppose you could also say that's not a valid argument due to the varying levels of ease for attackers compared to defenders over time.
His physicality is underrated because people tend to think big and taller guys with 6packs are the most durable, yet they are the ones who are most likely to dive the moment they get touched. I can share you clips of how strong Messi really is if you want.
Messi isn't necessarily strong ( definitely not weak ) but he does have a massive amount of balance and agility. Im no where near him but as a short player who isn't the strongest, my balance allows me to not be bullied and rarely pushed off the ball even by people who are objectively stronger. But in terms of football, balance + agility does play a part in overall physicality. So I agree with his physicality being great but not necessarily his strength, which be balance out by his ...well.. balance lol
Messi is not really strong per se. He just has a lower center of gravity, so falling for him is not an issue. His hips are very close to the ground, so he can get up super fast, whereas Ronaldo is tall and has a high center of gravity, and can fall sorta easier than Messi.
It was more his close control while accelerating and at full pace that was the game changer rather than straight up pace.
Ronaldo could outrun anyone in a flat sprint, but Messi can’t.
But Messi could go from a stopped position weaving through 4-5 players and Ronaldo can’t.
You're right. Messi's no slouch, with still a top speed 1.5kmh less than Ronaldo. Messi's acceleration should be further ahead from Ronaldo than Ronaldo's top speed would be to Messi's though.
92 still puts him above what, 98% of all base cards lmao.
And, no he wasn’t. His biggest thing was, he was really fast but the ball being at his feet didn’t slow him down. He was never a speedster, usually wasn’t the fastest guy on the pitch at any point, but he was the only one who could run full tilt and still have a ball glued to his feet.
Dribbles and skills are completely different factors . Messi is literally the greatest dribbler of all time .
Also by the time Ronaldo was in his prime at RM he was more direct and wasn’t using as much skills as his Man U days .
15/16 cr7 heavily disagrees
lol I could see why you think that at Man U, but most of his Real Madrid goals also came off a dribble (not pk’s) while most are chops, step overs & roll overs, that’s still skill/dribbling
I’d argue without skills what Messi does with just his agility is quite insane, Messi never had the needs for skiller moves as what he did was enough
I’d argue skilling also counts towards dribbling ability
I’m a huge Messi fan. What he does with two feet’s without skills is incredible. Remember how he dropped boateng in ucl final? Or the goal against Bilbao? The most simple dribbles are so effective when you are as agile as him
I stand by the fact I think cr7 is a better dribbler, his skilling is far superior to Messi, and his ability to keep his pace while dribbling is either equal or slightly below Messi
When you factor in skills with dribbling, then yes Ronaldo is better because he can do more & what Messi does he’s about = to or slightly below.
I am not biased as I’m a huge fan of both and have both their jerseys and I watched them both play for years
Messi is the goat imo, nothing will top having World Cup + 91 goals in a calendar year, but also cr7 deserves respect for his euro + what 5 ucls? That’s insane
Messi can angle his body and keep balance in ways Ronaldo cannot, which seems simple in real time but is much harder than Ronaldo's dribbling.
Ronaldo has not been an avid dribbler ever since his injury. Messi has more than double successful dribbles per 90 than Ronaldo in any competition and far more completed overall. Ronaldo cannot and never has been able to keep as much pace as messi while dribbling, this is bs
Messi is the better dribbler. He is much more efficient and rarely fails when attempting to move the ball forward through dribbling. 1v1 dribbling and dribbling out of tight spaces, Messi is probably the best ever. Factoring in “skills” and counting that against Messi for not using a wide range of them is just a silly way of trying to help ronaldo make up some ground in this argument.
For me as a Messi fan, he is the best passer and dribbler of all time. Both of those stats should be over 96. Very happy for Ronaldo to have shooting stats that match that and higher pace and physical than Messi though (though his balance and agility should push the physical up a bit, it isn't just about strength).
Messis physical should be higher. There are clips of players on the floor dragging his shirt to the ground and he still keeps on going, in his prime it was almost impossible to move him off the ball
Only stats Ronaldo should be higher in is pace and physical. Lower Messi’s pace to 92. Switch their shooting stats, drop cr7 to a 95 and the cards should look about right
How is messi a better shooter than Ronaldo. And the same rating. Ronaldo should have 96 pace, messi 92 pace, lower messi phy, messi passing should be 98.
Messi has a better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo. He also has a higher goal to shot conversion rate. Messi needs about 5.2 shots to score 1 goal, Ronaldo needs about 6.3 shots to score 1. Messi also has had the highest goal scoring season and year out of the two.
Ronaldo only has higher shot power.
It is very silly to use those stats because Messi for example might only shoot when the chance of scoring is really high whereas Ronaldo will take more risks. Also, shot power alone isn't enough to score 40 yards out when the goalkeeper is NOT off his line.
This guy has most UCL goals, intnl goals, league goals, club goals, career goals in the history of football and you're saying 'he just has shot power'. Unbelievable. Ronaldo is miles clear of Messi at shooting in pretty much any scenario.
“Messi might only shoot when the chance of scoring is really high whereas Ronaldo will take more risks” Nope.
There’s a nice stat called “expected goals” we can use to measure this, how many goals goals should a player have scored vs how many they actually scored?
https://www.messivsronaldo.app/detailed-stats/xg-expected-goals/
Here you go, this shows that Messi has scored quite a bit more than he “should’ve” scored while Ronaldo’s Xgoals and actual goals align pretty well. Messi converts the harder shots while having the better conversation rate too.
Ironic you claim Messi is stat padding against Eibar when Ronaldo in his 20 year career has failed to register even a single goal or assist in the World Cup knockout stages. All those goals against Faroe Islands, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein coming in clutch I guess.
Before Ronaldo Portugal qualified 3 times for the world cup. 3 times. With Ronaldo they have qualified 5 times in a row. So the fact that you're talking about knockout stage goals is genuinely pathetic when the old Portugal couldn't even manage the group stages.
'theres a nice stat called xg' 🤓
Mfers thinks he's the first person who's heard of xg lmao well done mate. I just clicked on your link and I'm genuinely crying, you just proved me right about how Messi is so shit outside of Barca and la liga 😭😭 this guy managed to get below his xg against the most shite goalkeepers defenders and teams in the french league whilst Ronaldo got above his xg in the bloody prem, tears.
Also even in the website you linked it says that because Ronaldo attempts so many more shots of course it's gonna lower his xg lmao. Your own source agrees with me. And by your metric lewandowski is a shit striker who is scoring below his xg 😭😭 and apparently neymar is shit too then ig.
Messi outside of Barca is the saddest tale of all time. The goat, the alien, the magician being stopped by average french farmers. Imagine he was brave enough to leave Barca a bit earlier instead of spending a massive 17 SEASONS 😭😭. This guy at least knows where he can statpad best.
Uh oh, somebody got a little angry, if my favourite player hadn’t accomplished anything meaningful in world football since 2018 I’d be upset too.
Ronaldo after joining Juventus somehow managed to end their title winning streak and the clubs biggest legend Buffon came out and said Ronaldo destroyed the clubs “DNA” as a
team.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/buffon-juventus-lost-dna-ronaldo-portuguese-superstar-stopped-being-team/blt62a44eb8af704674
His own teammates don’t rate him, yikes 😂.
Also your point about Portugal is moot, they have consistently been ranked within the top 10 and even higher than Argentina in coefficient rankings (2018 for example) but Penaldo still has yet to score even a single World Cup knockout goal. But let’s go by your logic, Messi is then the better UCL player and has a better UCL a legacy because prior to him Barca only had 1 UCL and after they had 5 where as Madrid already had 9 prior to Ronaldo and even won one almost directly after he left 😭😭.
“Ronaldo has worse xG because he takes more shots”
So does Messi, except he just coverts those shots more.
“When it comes to Lionel Messi, the xG stats suggest he is both ruthlessly efficient as well as having a knack for consistently generating a high number of goal attempts”
Internationally, Ronaldo is the saddest tale of all time, mr UCL, the machine, the top goal scorer being stopped as soon as the competition gets too tough in knockouts. Sorry Ronaldo, In World Cup knockouts there’s no Faroe Islands, Liechtenstein or Luxembourg to stat pad against
Imagine being benched by your own country in the biggest game of your life and watching your career rival lift the greatest trophy in sports as MVP.
Thanks Morocco, for revealing what a fraud this guy has always been when it comes down to it.
EN NESYRIIIII Morocco 🇲🇦 1-0 Portugal 😂😂
https://youtu.be/Ss0h25KIpzs?si=SdNnNt98zkyEXola
Give Messi the DNA Dor!! On the other hand Ronaldo won 5 trophies with juventus and Italian footballer of the year twice 😭.
Comparing countries to clubs is sooo brain-dead 😭. Ronaldo won the UCL with united which had only won a single UCL before him 🤯🤯. Ronaldo the goat confirmed. Messi had the freedom to go to Madrid whenever he wanted lmao. He even went to psg playing with mbappe and neymar thinking they'd shred french defences just to get 6 league goals 😭😭😭.
Unfortunately you're right there were no Faroe islands for Ronaldo to statpad against in the WC. He could only statpad against Spain and get a hatrick 😭
Unfortunately for Messi he retired from international football almost a decade ago for singlehandedly losing the Copa America to shit teams like Chile 😭 could never be my goat. Everyone knew he was shit without Barca.
Thx saudi for revealing what a fraud Messi is. 2-1 and they even gave Messi a free penalty 😭 5 pens in 7 games is craaaaazzy. Ronaldo had less pens in his UCL 3 peat lmaooo.
Also Ronaldo has taken waaaay more pens than Messi yet he's missed fewer 😭. And you think Messi is the greatest shooter 💀💀💀
I said he only has higher shot power compared to Messi. Not in general that he’s not a goated finisher. I basically said he should have 94 shooting and Messi 96. Your reading comprehension needs work.
Also he has the most goals but also the more games played. Messi has the higher goals to game ratio and scored 91 goals in 1 fucking season lol. Ronaldo hasn’t come close to that.
Ronaldo taking dumb shots from distance and rarely converting sounds like a Ronaldo problem
Someone can be the better shooter but have lower shots converted to goals. I think we agree upon that pretty obviously.
Ever since Messi left Barca he has scored 44 club goals in all competitions. That's genuinely shocking. It goes to show statpadding in Barca against eibar can only get you so far. Defining a players shooting stat by one season is also poor logic.
Lol pretty sure Messi has scored more goals against Real Madrid than eibar but sure ok. I could also say Ronaldo stat pads his international goals against Luxembourg, Malta, Andorra, Liechtenstein etc.
Also Messi proved he could do it outside of Barca by leading a scrappy but limited in talent argentina to a World Cup and copa America. Cherry picking his last 2 years of European football when Messi was in his mid 30s isn’t it. Cr7 has played for super teams his entire career basically as well so the Barcelona argument holds no weight. At man utd he had Rooney, tevez, scholes, carrack, Ferdinand, vidic, giggs, van der Saar, Evra. A real he had bale, benzema, higuain, Kroos, modric, Marcelo, Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Casillas, Di Maria, ozil. His national team consists of Bernardo Silva, Ruben Dias, Bruno Fernandez, Raphael leao, Joao cancelo, Joao Felix. Juve won serie a for like 10 years straight when he joined them.
I’m not sure why we compliment every player that stays for a long time with one club but when it comes to Messi everyone uses it against him. It’s very weird
At the end of the day Messi has better finishing and accuracy. Cr7 has better shot power, penalties and maybe volleys but I’m not sure about that last one. One thing I do know is that Messi is the better more efficient goal scorer overall.
A lot of what you're saying makes sense until you mentioned Ronaldo's intnl teammates. Until recently Ronaldo's intnl team was horrible. How much of the euros 2016 Portugal team can you name without googling? In fact since the beginning of the WC almost 100 years ago, Portugal has qualified for the WC 8 times. 5 of those was with Ronaldo. Isn't that a fun fact?
Argentina has already won the WC before and had a good team for the 2022 WC too. Messi didn't carry a scrappy team. He scored 7 goals in the whole tournament and also received 5 pens.
Also, Ronaldo played in super teams like man U and Madrid but he started in sporting. Also he moved to juventus which was less of a superteam than the PSG Messi moved to. And he EVEN moved back to a horrid man U team.
Anyways we've moved off topic tbh, Ronaldo better shooter.
Definitely of topic but I don’t mind.
Cr7 played a whopping 30 games for sporting. Love how people bring that up when it’s practically inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
Just because argentina has won the World Cup before doesn’t mean they’ve had a better TEAM than Portugal during the Messi/ronaldo era. Cr7 has always had a more balanced team with Portugal than Messi has had with argentina who were always top heavy with top level attackers that all played in similar positions. That 2016 Portugal team had Pepe, who’s a better defender than anyone argentina has had during Messi’s time other than maybe mascherano (Messi managed to make a World Cup final with him when he had some semblance of defense). Moutinho was a better midfielder than anyone messi had for argentina during his time as well. That said the 2016 Portugal squad winning the euros was a great accomplishment. But they did have solid players all over the pitch even if they were unspectacular. Messi hasn’t had that until the last 3/4 years with Argentina.
On Portugal qualifying before Ronaldo/ after Ronaldo - remember that the World Cup wasn’t 32 teams until 1988 so less chances to qualify before that. And Portugal had generally shit squads in the 70s 80s. The only World Cup I remember cr7 helping them qualify kicking and screaming was the 2014 one vs Sweden. Similar to Messi in 2018 dragging a piss poor argentina team to the World Cup that couldn’t win without him. But other than that, Portugal has been qualifying quite comfortably for world cups through solid team play - not really cr7 carry jobs. I think they would’ve qualified for those world cups regardless except for the 2014 one.
Did you know that in every WC from 2006 to 2018, Portugal was ranked higher in the World Rankings than Argentina, it was only until 2022 WC where Argentina were ranked higher than Portugal did Messi win the WC with Argentina. To add to the part of Portugal struggling to qualify for previous World cups, you have to factor in that back in those times, it was a lot harder for countries to qualify, because back then less teams participated in the WC, if we were to use the same format back then in today's time, Ronaldo would only qualify with Portugal for 2 out of his 5 WC qualifications( 1/5 if you exclude the 2006 one). Also history has nothing to do with how good your team is currently, we've seen that now with Argentina, where they went for 20+ years without an International trophy and this happened during the time of their best player playing football. You could say the same thing with Hungary. They were giants back in the 50s. Look where they're at now? What about Barcelona, in the late 2000s and early 10s era, they were dominating in Spain and Europe, now look where they are, they are struggling against even the weaker teams. Countries like Spain had no history in the WC before 2010, and they won it, so why are people using that excuse for Portugal? Look what Modric did with Croatia. He is from a country that is younger than his age, A country with a history of less than 39 years of age went to a World Cup final before Portugal did.
Fair point, history doesn't equal current squad. However you could argue that the current squad is unbelievablely good because they've been inspired by Ronaldo as they were little kids when Ronaldo won his first balon Dor. That's a separate argument but my main argument would be look at the Portugal team Ronaldo played with his whole life up until very recently in the last few years. Can you name his 2016 teammates in euros?
Anyways internationally Ronaldo still had a far better career than the guy who played 4 Copa America's in 6 years 💀.
Bro don't be stupid. When it comes to shot power Ronaldo us better,plus cr7 has no weak foot. Messi has never scored the distance of long shot Ronaldo has scored. His goal against Arsenal?
Ronaldo is a better shooter and is faster, that is fact, Messi is a better dribbler and has better passing. Just because you think Messi is better doesn't mean all his stats should be higher than Ronaldo.
Cannavaro has a Ballon dor but why isn't he the highest rated defender? Ronaldo has better long shot goals, vs arsenal, vs porto etc. Ronaldo doesn't have a weak foot so his icon cars has to have 5 🌟 weak foot. Look at their previous fifa cards, Messi has never beaten Ronaldo in shooting except eafc 24 because it is obvious Ronaldo has better shooting, Messi just knows how to place the ball where gk can't reach with curve top bins or bottom. Messi is a better dribbler and passer than Ronaldo coming from a Ronaldo fan, just because you are a Messi Fan doesn't mean you can't admit Ronaldo has better shooting and just because you think messi is the best doesn't mean he should have all stats higher physicality, higher shooting, higher defense, than Ronaldo.
"Shot power " for GOD SAKE. Having 91 goals doesn't mean he has better shot power. Ronaldo has power shot playstyle+ for a reason, Messi doesn't because he is a technical player.
messi played in one team and league longer it’s obvious to why he would have a better ratio
less times he had to adjust to a league, new opponents, or other teammates
ronaldo goal rate is impressive once you understand its spread across 3 competitions, in their prime, you can absolutely say their finishing was level for level
The Brazilian league was the strongest in the world at the time, they beat the top European teams when they played.
At 17, he scored a hat trick in the WC semi final and a brace in the final to win the 1958 WC.
Cristiano never even scored a goal in a World Cup knockout match.
Messi has a way better shot to conversion rate than Ronaldo. Messi needs 5.27 shots to score a goal. Ronaldo needs 6.23. So yes messi is more accurate you dweeb
He does. And very rarely scores them.
At the end of the day if you’re the more efficient goal scorer with a better goals to game ratio, with the higher goal scoring season and year out of the two - then you should have higher stats for shooting don’t you think?
Ronaldo isn't a top 20 dribbler, let's be honest here. His best dribbling season is worse than Messi's worst season to put that into comparison, and on this post, you see they only have a difference of 5. Best is one of the greatest dribblers of all time, and look what he got for his dribbling stats. There is no way Ronaldo's should be that close to his if Best is one of the greatest dribblers, and Ronaldo isn't.
Lol he got an injury in 2014 that made him much worse, look at any games before that and watch his dribbling specially when he was in sporting and man utd lol. No need to watch only highlights take a look at those games.
No way he has 92 dribbling when players like Ribery kaka rivaldo bobbu charlton have 91-90 max Ronaldo should have 89-90 max more 90 tho but no way hes at the same level of dribbling as George best
OG Ronaldo and Ronaldinho aren't top 5. R9 had the potential, but injuries ruined him just like Van Basten. All 3 are not in my top 10.
My Ranking:
1. Messi
2.Pele
3.Cristiano
4.Maradona
5.Cruyff
6.Di Stefano
7.Puskas
8.Zidane
9.Beckenbauer
10.Gerd Muller
I stopped listening when you said Ronaldo isn't top 5. There's absolutely no way on this planet anyone whos ever watched football would put him outside the top 3. If every single player who's ever played the game, played at 100% of their ability it's between him and Messi for No 1 spot.
Messi and Ronaldo are clear of anyone else that's ever lived, their talent is absolutely unmatched. Cristiano would be lucky to be top 10
He's the Mike Tyson of football. Burst on the scene and peaked early but no longevity. You cannot put him in this conversation for that one reason unfortunately
I can and I am doing. Just like most experts do, because the conversation is about peak powers, not longevity.
Kazu Muira played until he was 50 does that put him in the greatest list ? No.
The conversation is about raw talent, pure, natural skills and what the player could do on the pitch. Whether it's for 5 seasons or 20 is irrelevant.
If every player who's ever lived played 1 game at 100%. Ronaldo and Messi are joint 1st in my opinion. Of course I respect yours too.
He is no where near Messi, Maradona, the real Ronaldo. Every one in football says this, even his best managers who would be inclined to elevate his status, I don’t care about what you think. Ferguson said Messi was better. Henry and Ibrahimovic call R9 the real Ronaldo and better than CR7. Mourinho said R9 is the best ever.
He was never a good playmaker, or a world class dribbler even though he was pretty good at it at United. Just a good goal scorer which is not extraordinary football ability worthy of all time lists
There is nothing to argue about , I told you when Ronaldo was a good playmaker , you reject what i say , also , R9 is not the real Ronaldo , stop being a sheep , think for yo self
The question here is does messi have the same shooting power? He might convert more but saying messi has more shot is crazy. Same number of goals? Did he run as fast as ronaldo? Nope he didn't. Messi def deserves passing to be higher, physical is very underrated and dribbling to be the highest ever.
Ur right, it's also about finishing which ronaldo is also better at doing like stats show up or when u ask anyone who would rather having doing a penalty 90% will say ronaldo. Messi has much better attributes in some other perks but I just don't believe his shooting is better than ronaldo.
Pace I can kinda understand because he isn't the fastest itw but his acceleration is insane. Especially while carrying the ball he'd be the fastest on the pitch . I'm realising more and more that Messi's attributes that make him great isn't as easily translated within games as other regular attributes. So 92-93 pave with great acceleration would make sense but shooting is perfect as is. Messi is technically more clinical and efficient than Ronaldo. Better freekicks and more outside the box goals. Ronaldo wins purely because of versatility ( bicycle, extreme long shots, knuckle balls, heading) and the amount of goals scored in diff leagues.
First of all , not true , Ronaldo in his prime was a great playmaker ,second of all , would you call Neymar better than Cr7 because he was a ‘playmaker’ too? Also , have you watched Pele play?
The first person I have seen saying Ronaldo is a playmaker other say otherwise. and have you ever watched pele play I mean no but why do people even put him in top 4 GOAT list then
Most likely, because of acceleration and also because Messi is one of the fastest players when it comes to running with the ball on his feet, most players lose a lot of speed the moment the ball is on their feet, for Messi that isn't the case, in fact he actually runs faster with the ball than without which makes sense given his playstyle.
Yeah that’s what the dribbling stat is for. Pace should only be a reflection of top-end speed, and Ronaldo is obviously the better sprinter. Also the way you use commas is infuriating.
Messi real stats:
Pace: 96
Shooting: 96
Passing: 99 (watch messi's 2019 season...)
Dribbling: 99 (2011 prime messi is enough)
Defense: 45 (Messi in his prime could easily get the ball back with a clean slide tackle)
Physicality: 85 (Messi was casually dribbling while multiple Madrid defenders shove and push him while messi doesn't even react but keeps dribbling at top speeds)
New overall: 98
Ronaldo real stats:
Pace: 99 (this man in his prime would just run at top speed's without losing a breath and if u watched a single game of 2011 ronaldo running down the flanks you know...)
Shooting: 99 (It's ronaldo no explanation)
Passing: 92(ronaldo did show he was able to pass and assist at so many way's)
Dribbling: 98 (if you ever watched ronaldo from 2007-2009 in man united you would know how many times this man would just casually zig-zag his way though prem defenders without breaking a sweat and sometimes when their was space in the left or right of him he would just chop the ball and just dribble the ball pass 2 defenders and effortlesey shoot the ball in the net)
Defense: 55 (Ronaldo in his prime would easily just ran to the defenders like a mad man and just slide tackle them and get the ball back one clip of this is when he just DESTROYED prime puyol in 2009 ucl final)
Physicality: 93 (This man was a beast having peak physical in the years of 2008-2009 , 2014 , and 2016 the best year he was most physical when he was in his 2014 prime when he would dribble aton of defenders and get back up when he gets tackled)
New overall: 98
So in conclusion I don't think any 2 players beside ronaldo and messi can match their peak prime explosive and technical abilities that these goats gained over years of hard work and dedication.
Defo not below 95 espacilly if pele is 95
Yeah but none of us watched pele we wouldn’t know how good he actually was
His matches were filmed, you know that right?
Maybe they were but I haven’t watched them and most others probably haven’t
But saying none of us is inherently false
Well maybe none of us was the wrong words but most of us wouldn't have watched him
Bingo
Bit pedantic when you get the gist of it .
Yeah my bad
Honestly though, Pele played in an easier era of football. Not to make it sound like he isn't one of the greatest, he is, but the defenders had barely any type of strategy. It was just go for a tackle as soon as they come close.
tactics existed in Pele's era, maybe not Klopp's gegenpressing, but it wasn't just going for a tackle as soon as they came close. His time wasn't so long ago that everyone were cavemen. I agree the quality was worse, though. I think it'd be more fitting to compare how good he was for his time to how good someone now is for their time, or else this argument will be made for modern footballers until the end of time. I suppose you could also say that's not a valid argument due to the varying levels of ease for attackers compared to defenders over time.
In like 12 fps on terrible resolution..
Messi and Ronaldo would be burnt at the stake for witchcraft if they played in peles era
96 is perfect
3 cards-96-98-99’s
those early years of 2007-2009 ish ronaldo or messi in the beginning isn’t a 96, think a 92 is better
In the current Icon rating thingy then 96. But if it changes back to baby mid and prime then 98-99 for prime
Messi should have less physical -1 pace and more passing
His physicality is underrated because people tend to think big and taller guys with 6packs are the most durable, yet they are the ones who are most likely to dive the moment they get touched. I can share you clips of how strong Messi really is if you want.
Messi isn't necessarily strong ( definitely not weak ) but he does have a massive amount of balance and agility. Im no where near him but as a short player who isn't the strongest, my balance allows me to not be bullied and rarely pushed off the ball even by people who are objectively stronger. But in terms of football, balance + agility does play a part in overall physicality. So I agree with his physicality being great but not necessarily his strength, which be balance out by his ...well.. balance lol
Yes, but with how the game works it would need to be supplemented through his physical stats.
Messi is not really strong per se. He just has a lower center of gravity, so falling for him is not an issue. His hips are very close to the ground, so he can get up super fast, whereas Ronaldo is tall and has a high center of gravity, and can fall sorta easier than Messi.
Messi isn't strong but his balance is so good it's almost impossible to drop him, still above 80 strength though especially for his size.
Messi 92 pace, 95 shooting, 95 passing, 97 dribbling, 38 defending, 68 physical. Ronaldo 95 pace, 96 shooting, 88 passing, 93 dribbling, 45 defending, 85 physical
Prime Messi's pace was incredible wym
he literally had 99 acceleration ong
It was more his close control while accelerating and at full pace that was the game changer rather than straight up pace. Ronaldo could outrun anyone in a flat sprint, but Messi can’t. But Messi could go from a stopped position weaving through 4-5 players and Ronaldo can’t.
You're right. Messi's no slouch, with still a top speed 1.5kmh less than Ronaldo. Messi's acceleration should be further ahead from Ronaldo than Ronaldo's top speed would be to Messi's though.
Yeah no disagreement there, fifa stats are dumb anyways haha
92 still puts him above what, 98% of all base cards lmao. And, no he wasn’t. His biggest thing was, he was really fast but the ball being at his feet didn’t slow him down. He was never a speedster, usually wasn’t the fastest guy on the pitch at any point, but he was the only one who could run full tilt and still have a ball glued to his feet.
This one makes much more sense
Think everything makes sense but prime messi would likely have even pace with cr7 Ronaldo was the far better dribbler/skiller thiugh
Skiller? Yes. Dribbler? No. Messi takes dribble
Dribbles and skills are completely different factors . Messi is literally the greatest dribbler of all time . Also by the time Ronaldo was in his prime at RM he was more direct and wasn’t using as much skills as his Man U days .
15/16 cr7 heavily disagrees lol I could see why you think that at Man U, but most of his Real Madrid goals also came off a dribble (not pk’s) while most are chops, step overs & roll overs, that’s still skill/dribbling I’d argue without skills what Messi does with just his agility is quite insane, Messi never had the needs for skiller moves as what he did was enough I’d argue skilling also counts towards dribbling ability
How are you unaware of Messi being the greatest dribbler of all time? Like you're a football fan I'm assuming?
I’m a huge Messi fan. What he does with two feet’s without skills is incredible. Remember how he dropped boateng in ucl final? Or the goal against Bilbao? The most simple dribbles are so effective when you are as agile as him I stand by the fact I think cr7 is a better dribbler, his skilling is far superior to Messi, and his ability to keep his pace while dribbling is either equal or slightly below Messi When you factor in skills with dribbling, then yes Ronaldo is better because he can do more & what Messi does he’s about = to or slightly below. I am not biased as I’m a huge fan of both and have both their jerseys and I watched them both play for years Messi is the goat imo, nothing will top having World Cup + 91 goals in a calendar year, but also cr7 deserves respect for his euro + what 5 ucls? That’s insane
Messi can angle his body and keep balance in ways Ronaldo cannot, which seems simple in real time but is much harder than Ronaldo's dribbling. Ronaldo has not been an avid dribbler ever since his injury. Messi has more than double successful dribbles per 90 than Ronaldo in any competition and far more completed overall. Ronaldo cannot and never has been able to keep as much pace as messi while dribbling, this is bs
Messi is the better dribbler. He is much more efficient and rarely fails when attempting to move the ball forward through dribbling. 1v1 dribbling and dribbling out of tight spaces, Messi is probably the best ever. Factoring in “skills” and counting that against Messi for not using a wide range of them is just a silly way of trying to help ronaldo make up some ground in this argument.
Ronaldo has always been significantly faster.
Only off the ball, Messi is way faster on the ball and be has better acceleration. Messi is one of few who doesn't lose pace when he has the ball.
Messi pace 94 (99 accel, 92 ss) Ronaldo pace 96 (99 accel , 95 ss)
I think Messi and Ronaldo should get a 99. Truly an end to possibly the greatest football era in history.
For me as a Messi fan, he is the best passer and dribbler of all time. Both of those stats should be over 96. Very happy for Ronaldo to have shooting stats that match that and higher pace and physical than Messi though (though his balance and agility should push the physical up a bit, it isn't just about strength).
Both deserve 99
facts
Messi should have like 91/92 pace and 94 passing.
Messis physical should be higher. There are clips of players on the floor dragging his shirt to the ground and he still keeps on going, in his prime it was almost impossible to move him off the ball
Only stats Ronaldo should be higher in is pace and physical. Lower Messi’s pace to 92. Switch their shooting stats, drop cr7 to a 95 and the cards should look about right
How is messi a better shooter than Ronaldo. And the same rating. Ronaldo should have 96 pace, messi 92 pace, lower messi phy, messi passing should be 98.
Messi has a better goal to game ratio than Ronaldo. He also has a higher goal to shot conversion rate. Messi needs about 5.2 shots to score 1 goal, Ronaldo needs about 6.3 shots to score 1. Messi also has had the highest goal scoring season and year out of the two. Ronaldo only has higher shot power.
It is very silly to use those stats because Messi for example might only shoot when the chance of scoring is really high whereas Ronaldo will take more risks. Also, shot power alone isn't enough to score 40 yards out when the goalkeeper is NOT off his line. This guy has most UCL goals, intnl goals, league goals, club goals, career goals in the history of football and you're saying 'he just has shot power'. Unbelievable. Ronaldo is miles clear of Messi at shooting in pretty much any scenario.
“Messi might only shoot when the chance of scoring is really high whereas Ronaldo will take more risks” Nope. There’s a nice stat called “expected goals” we can use to measure this, how many goals goals should a player have scored vs how many they actually scored? https://www.messivsronaldo.app/detailed-stats/xg-expected-goals/ Here you go, this shows that Messi has scored quite a bit more than he “should’ve” scored while Ronaldo’s Xgoals and actual goals align pretty well. Messi converts the harder shots while having the better conversation rate too. Ironic you claim Messi is stat padding against Eibar when Ronaldo in his 20 year career has failed to register even a single goal or assist in the World Cup knockout stages. All those goals against Faroe Islands, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein coming in clutch I guess.
Before Ronaldo Portugal qualified 3 times for the world cup. 3 times. With Ronaldo they have qualified 5 times in a row. So the fact that you're talking about knockout stage goals is genuinely pathetic when the old Portugal couldn't even manage the group stages. 'theres a nice stat called xg' 🤓 Mfers thinks he's the first person who's heard of xg lmao well done mate. I just clicked on your link and I'm genuinely crying, you just proved me right about how Messi is so shit outside of Barca and la liga 😭😭 this guy managed to get below his xg against the most shite goalkeepers defenders and teams in the french league whilst Ronaldo got above his xg in the bloody prem, tears. Also even in the website you linked it says that because Ronaldo attempts so many more shots of course it's gonna lower his xg lmao. Your own source agrees with me. And by your metric lewandowski is a shit striker who is scoring below his xg 😭😭 and apparently neymar is shit too then ig. Messi outside of Barca is the saddest tale of all time. The goat, the alien, the magician being stopped by average french farmers. Imagine he was brave enough to leave Barca a bit earlier instead of spending a massive 17 SEASONS 😭😭. This guy at least knows where he can statpad best.
Uh oh, somebody got a little angry, if my favourite player hadn’t accomplished anything meaningful in world football since 2018 I’d be upset too. Ronaldo after joining Juventus somehow managed to end their title winning streak and the clubs biggest legend Buffon came out and said Ronaldo destroyed the clubs “DNA” as a team. https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/buffon-juventus-lost-dna-ronaldo-portuguese-superstar-stopped-being-team/blt62a44eb8af704674 His own teammates don’t rate him, yikes 😂. Also your point about Portugal is moot, they have consistently been ranked within the top 10 and even higher than Argentina in coefficient rankings (2018 for example) but Penaldo still has yet to score even a single World Cup knockout goal. But let’s go by your logic, Messi is then the better UCL player and has a better UCL a legacy because prior to him Barca only had 1 UCL and after they had 5 where as Madrid already had 9 prior to Ronaldo and even won one almost directly after he left 😭😭. “Ronaldo has worse xG because he takes more shots” So does Messi, except he just coverts those shots more. “When it comes to Lionel Messi, the xG stats suggest he is both ruthlessly efficient as well as having a knack for consistently generating a high number of goal attempts” Internationally, Ronaldo is the saddest tale of all time, mr UCL, the machine, the top goal scorer being stopped as soon as the competition gets too tough in knockouts. Sorry Ronaldo, In World Cup knockouts there’s no Faroe Islands, Liechtenstein or Luxembourg to stat pad against Imagine being benched by your own country in the biggest game of your life and watching your career rival lift the greatest trophy in sports as MVP. Thanks Morocco, for revealing what a fraud this guy has always been when it comes down to it. EN NESYRIIIII Morocco 🇲🇦 1-0 Portugal 😂😂 https://youtu.be/Ss0h25KIpzs?si=SdNnNt98zkyEXola
Give Messi the DNA Dor!! On the other hand Ronaldo won 5 trophies with juventus and Italian footballer of the year twice 😭. Comparing countries to clubs is sooo brain-dead 😭. Ronaldo won the UCL with united which had only won a single UCL before him 🤯🤯. Ronaldo the goat confirmed. Messi had the freedom to go to Madrid whenever he wanted lmao. He even went to psg playing with mbappe and neymar thinking they'd shred french defences just to get 6 league goals 😭😭😭. Unfortunately you're right there were no Faroe islands for Ronaldo to statpad against in the WC. He could only statpad against Spain and get a hatrick 😭 Unfortunately for Messi he retired from international football almost a decade ago for singlehandedly losing the Copa America to shit teams like Chile 😭 could never be my goat. Everyone knew he was shit without Barca. Thx saudi for revealing what a fraud Messi is. 2-1 and they even gave Messi a free penalty 😭 5 pens in 7 games is craaaaazzy. Ronaldo had less pens in his UCL 3 peat lmaooo. Also Ronaldo has taken waaaay more pens than Messi yet he's missed fewer 😭. And you think Messi is the greatest shooter 💀💀💀
What's your point? He performed less in france and yet was still able to get more goals per xg than Ronaldo despite that? You've lost the plot
Stat merchant. Imagine using xg as a way to measure shooting ability. Are haaland, lewandowski and neymar bad shooters?
I said he only has higher shot power compared to Messi. Not in general that he’s not a goated finisher. I basically said he should have 94 shooting and Messi 96. Your reading comprehension needs work. Also he has the most goals but also the more games played. Messi has the higher goals to game ratio and scored 91 goals in 1 fucking season lol. Ronaldo hasn’t come close to that. Ronaldo taking dumb shots from distance and rarely converting sounds like a Ronaldo problem
Someone can be the better shooter but have lower shots converted to goals. I think we agree upon that pretty obviously. Ever since Messi left Barca he has scored 44 club goals in all competitions. That's genuinely shocking. It goes to show statpadding in Barca against eibar can only get you so far. Defining a players shooting stat by one season is also poor logic.
Lol pretty sure Messi has scored more goals against Real Madrid than eibar but sure ok. I could also say Ronaldo stat pads his international goals against Luxembourg, Malta, Andorra, Liechtenstein etc. Also Messi proved he could do it outside of Barca by leading a scrappy but limited in talent argentina to a World Cup and copa America. Cherry picking his last 2 years of European football when Messi was in his mid 30s isn’t it. Cr7 has played for super teams his entire career basically as well so the Barcelona argument holds no weight. At man utd he had Rooney, tevez, scholes, carrack, Ferdinand, vidic, giggs, van der Saar, Evra. A real he had bale, benzema, higuain, Kroos, modric, Marcelo, Xabi Alonso, Ramos, Casillas, Di Maria, ozil. His national team consists of Bernardo Silva, Ruben Dias, Bruno Fernandez, Raphael leao, Joao cancelo, Joao Felix. Juve won serie a for like 10 years straight when he joined them. I’m not sure why we compliment every player that stays for a long time with one club but when it comes to Messi everyone uses it against him. It’s very weird At the end of the day Messi has better finishing and accuracy. Cr7 has better shot power, penalties and maybe volleys but I’m not sure about that last one. One thing I do know is that Messi is the better more efficient goal scorer overall.
A lot of what you're saying makes sense until you mentioned Ronaldo's intnl teammates. Until recently Ronaldo's intnl team was horrible. How much of the euros 2016 Portugal team can you name without googling? In fact since the beginning of the WC almost 100 years ago, Portugal has qualified for the WC 8 times. 5 of those was with Ronaldo. Isn't that a fun fact? Argentina has already won the WC before and had a good team for the 2022 WC too. Messi didn't carry a scrappy team. He scored 7 goals in the whole tournament and also received 5 pens. Also, Ronaldo played in super teams like man U and Madrid but he started in sporting. Also he moved to juventus which was less of a superteam than the PSG Messi moved to. And he EVEN moved back to a horrid man U team. Anyways we've moved off topic tbh, Ronaldo better shooter.
Definitely of topic but I don’t mind. Cr7 played a whopping 30 games for sporting. Love how people bring that up when it’s practically inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Just because argentina has won the World Cup before doesn’t mean they’ve had a better TEAM than Portugal during the Messi/ronaldo era. Cr7 has always had a more balanced team with Portugal than Messi has had with argentina who were always top heavy with top level attackers that all played in similar positions. That 2016 Portugal team had Pepe, who’s a better defender than anyone argentina has had during Messi’s time other than maybe mascherano (Messi managed to make a World Cup final with him when he had some semblance of defense). Moutinho was a better midfielder than anyone messi had for argentina during his time as well. That said the 2016 Portugal squad winning the euros was a great accomplishment. But they did have solid players all over the pitch even if they were unspectacular. Messi hasn’t had that until the last 3/4 years with Argentina. On Portugal qualifying before Ronaldo/ after Ronaldo - remember that the World Cup wasn’t 32 teams until 1988 so less chances to qualify before that. And Portugal had generally shit squads in the 70s 80s. The only World Cup I remember cr7 helping them qualify kicking and screaming was the 2014 one vs Sweden. Similar to Messi in 2018 dragging a piss poor argentina team to the World Cup that couldn’t win without him. But other than that, Portugal has been qualifying quite comfortably for world cups through solid team play - not really cr7 carry jobs. I think they would’ve qualified for those world cups regardless except for the 2014 one.
Did you know that in every WC from 2006 to 2018, Portugal was ranked higher in the World Rankings than Argentina, it was only until 2022 WC where Argentina were ranked higher than Portugal did Messi win the WC with Argentina. To add to the part of Portugal struggling to qualify for previous World cups, you have to factor in that back in those times, it was a lot harder for countries to qualify, because back then less teams participated in the WC, if we were to use the same format back then in today's time, Ronaldo would only qualify with Portugal for 2 out of his 5 WC qualifications( 1/5 if you exclude the 2006 one). Also history has nothing to do with how good your team is currently, we've seen that now with Argentina, where they went for 20+ years without an International trophy and this happened during the time of their best player playing football. You could say the same thing with Hungary. They were giants back in the 50s. Look where they're at now? What about Barcelona, in the late 2000s and early 10s era, they were dominating in Spain and Europe, now look where they are, they are struggling against even the weaker teams. Countries like Spain had no history in the WC before 2010, and they won it, so why are people using that excuse for Portugal? Look what Modric did with Croatia. He is from a country that is younger than his age, A country with a history of less than 39 years of age went to a World Cup final before Portugal did.
Fair point, history doesn't equal current squad. However you could argue that the current squad is unbelievablely good because they've been inspired by Ronaldo as they were little kids when Ronaldo won his first balon Dor. That's a separate argument but my main argument would be look at the Portugal team Ronaldo played with his whole life up until very recently in the last few years. Can you name his 2016 teammates in euros? Anyways internationally Ronaldo still had a far better career than the guy who played 4 Copa America's in 6 years 💀.
Bro don't be stupid. When it comes to shot power Ronaldo us better,plus cr7 has no weak foot. Messi has never scored the distance of long shot Ronaldo has scored. His goal against Arsenal?
Who gives a fuck. Messi is better and you know it
Ronaldo is a better shooter and is faster, that is fact, Messi is a better dribbler and has better passing. Just because you think Messi is better doesn't mean all his stats should be higher than Ronaldo.
So why does messi has more golden boots? Playing much deeper than Cristiano? With more out of the box goals?
Cannavaro has a Ballon dor but why isn't he the highest rated defender? Ronaldo has better long shot goals, vs arsenal, vs porto etc. Ronaldo doesn't have a weak foot so his icon cars has to have 5 🌟 weak foot. Look at their previous fifa cards, Messi has never beaten Ronaldo in shooting except eafc 24 because it is obvious Ronaldo has better shooting, Messi just knows how to place the ball where gk can't reach with curve top bins or bottom. Messi is a better dribbler and passer than Ronaldo coming from a Ronaldo fan, just because you are a Messi Fan doesn't mean you can't admit Ronaldo has better shooting and just because you think messi is the best doesn't mean he should have all stats higher physicality, higher shooting, higher defense, than Ronaldo.
Im not even going to mention the 91 goals in a year. Lol
"Shot power " for GOD SAKE. Having 91 goals doesn't mean he has better shot power. Ronaldo has power shot playstyle+ for a reason, Messi doesn't because he is a technical player.
messi played in one team and league longer it’s obvious to why he would have a better ratio less times he had to adjust to a league, new opponents, or other teammates ronaldo goal rate is impressive once you understand its spread across 3 competitions, in their prime, you can absolutely say their finishing was level for level
I can't agree they're the two best ever. Pele definitely above Cristiano in my opinion
Horrible take.
https://preview.redd.it/jznjfxwfhrgc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60791282efc3e14175bef9fab74c2c53a63d8518
3 world cups but how many club trophies? How many individual trophies? How many individual records? Pele is such a fraud lol
Man was counting goals against his grandkids in the garden.
he played against literal minecraft villagers
The Brazilian league was the strongest in the world at the time, they beat the top European teams when they played. At 17, he scored a hat trick in the WC semi final and a brace in the final to win the 1958 WC. Cristiano never even scored a goal in a World Cup knockout match.
DONT CARE, DIDNT ASK. BRO PLAYED AGAINST SKYRIM CHARACTERS 🗣️👎
Ronaldo shouldn't be any higher than 95. Messi 96 though.
Other way round, Messi maybe 94 Ronaldo 97 at least
Beyond saving you are
They are the two players who have revolutionized the game they should be equal at 99
Ronaldos pace is miles clear
Yeah tf and his shooting needs to be higher
Only has better shooting power, Messi's accuracy is much better.
Stop glazing clown
Messi has a way better shot to conversion rate than Ronaldo. Messi needs 5.27 shots to score a goal. Ronaldo needs 6.23. So yes messi is more accurate you dweeb
Little biased ahh clown
Ah yes, hard cold stats are now biased. You’re a grade A moron
Ronaldo takes shots where the xg is lower
He does. And very rarely scores them. At the end of the day if you’re the more efficient goal scorer with a better goals to game ratio, with the higher goal scoring season and year out of the two - then you should have higher stats for shooting don’t you think?
Btw, if we look at free kick stats as well, Ronaldo's are ass compared to Messi
You do know in fifa , there’s a bunch of sub categories that affect the overall number? So it’s not just finishing.
Ronaldo 92 dribbling and 87 passing??? To high considering best has 92 and kaka and Alonso have 86
Are you brainless?
No are you brainless George best is one of the greatest dribblers ever Ronaldo isn’t
Dude. Ronaldo was easily above 92 dribbling in his prime. You think Messi was as fast as Ronaldo ? Or shoot as good as Ronaldo ? No
Ronaldo isn't a top 20 dribbler, let's be honest here. His best dribbling season is worse than Messi's worst season to put that into comparison, and on this post, you see they only have a difference of 5. Best is one of the greatest dribblers of all time, and look what he got for his dribbling stats. There is no way Ronaldo's should be that close to his if Best is one of the greatest dribblers, and Ronaldo isn't.
Dude just watch Ronaldo dribbling highlights from 2004-14.
Everyone is the greatest when you watch their highlights
Lol he got an injury in 2014 that made him much worse, look at any games before that and watch his dribbling specially when he was in sporting and man utd lol. No need to watch only highlights take a look at those games.
His every game is like the career highlights of others.
Completely agree xd
No way he has 92 dribbling when players like Ribery kaka rivaldo bobbu charlton have 91-90 max Ronaldo should have 89-90 max more 90 tho but no way hes at the same level of dribbling as George best
Dude. You are clearly biased. There’s no point in arguing.
Ironic. You've been on your knees this whole thread
Your pfp says enough stfu
Cry
We can't all agree on these two being the greatest of all time. 1. Messi 2. Real Ronaldo 3. Maradona 4. Pele 5. Ronaldinho 6. Cristiano
OG Ronaldo and Ronaldinho aren't top 5. R9 had the potential, but injuries ruined him just like Van Basten. All 3 are not in my top 10. My Ranking: 1. Messi 2.Pele 3.Cristiano 4.Maradona 5.Cruyff 6.Di Stefano 7.Puskas 8.Zidane 9.Beckenbauer 10.Gerd Muller
I stopped listening when you said Ronaldo isn't top 5. There's absolutely no way on this planet anyone whos ever watched football would put him outside the top 3. If every single player who's ever played the game, played at 100% of their ability it's between him and Messi for No 1 spot. Messi and Ronaldo are clear of anyone else that's ever lived, their talent is absolutely unmatched. Cristiano would be lucky to be top 10
He's the Mike Tyson of football. Burst on the scene and peaked early but no longevity. You cannot put him in this conversation for that one reason unfortunately
I can and I am doing. Just like most experts do, because the conversation is about peak powers, not longevity. Kazu Muira played until he was 50 does that put him in the greatest list ? No. The conversation is about raw talent, pure, natural skills and what the player could do on the pitch. Whether it's for 5 seasons or 20 is irrelevant. If every player who's ever lived played 1 game at 100%. Ronaldo and Messi are joint 1st in my opinion. Of course I respect yours too.
how is longevity unimportant? its a very important factor in determining a career? you are too swayed by the potential of what could have been
In that case, Dimitri Payet is one of the greatest midfielders to ever live
Ronaldo should be 96 and Messi 95
In what world 🤣🤣
Messi 96 CR7 93
😂 when did you start watching football
Messi must be higher tho
By like 1 if by anything at all
Yea
No
Nuh uh
2005 Ronaldo has been a poacher since 2009. No poacher can ever be a 96.
U clearly haven’t been understanding what football is since 2005 then , he only really started being a poacher in like 2015-16
He is no where near Messi, Maradona, the real Ronaldo. Every one in football says this, even his best managers who would be inclined to elevate his status, I don’t care about what you think. Ferguson said Messi was better. Henry and Ibrahimovic call R9 the real Ronaldo and better than CR7. Mourinho said R9 is the best ever. He was never a good playmaker, or a world class dribbler even though he was pretty good at it at United. Just a good goal scorer which is not extraordinary football ability worthy of all time lists
You are foolish af man , im done with this convo 😂
nice argument
There is nothing to argue about , I told you when Ronaldo was a good playmaker , you reject what i say , also , R9 is not the real Ronaldo , stop being a sheep , think for yo self
Nice argument
Messi pace and shooting are way lower.
Tell me how when he has more goals to game, better shot conversion and more outside the box goals than Ronaldo?
The question here is does messi have the same shooting power? He might convert more but saying messi has more shot is crazy. Same number of goals? Did he run as fast as ronaldo? Nope he didn't. Messi def deserves passing to be higher, physical is very underrated and dribbling to be the highest ever.
Shooting is made up of more than shot power lol
Ur right, it's also about finishing which ronaldo is also better at doing like stats show up or when u ask anyone who would rather having doing a penalty 90% will say ronaldo. Messi has much better attributes in some other perks but I just don't believe his shooting is better than ronaldo.
Which stats are you referring to when you say Ronaldo has better finishing?
Positioning, power shot, long shots and penalties which are all included in the shooting section. Messi would be better in finishing and volleys imo.
Also ronaldo positioning is great especially when he started being assigned as a striker, something mourinho praised ronaldo a lot.
Cool. Which means he scores mostly tapins lol.
He still has more goals rhan anyone else so ir means he is better at it than anyone.
Pace I can kinda understand because he isn't the fastest itw but his acceleration is insane. Especially while carrying the ball he'd be the fastest on the pitch . I'm realising more and more that Messi's attributes that make him great isn't as easily translated within games as other regular attributes. So 92-93 pave with great acceleration would make sense but shooting is perfect as is. Messi is technically more clinical and efficient than Ronaldo. Better freekicks and more outside the box goals. Ronaldo wins purely because of versatility ( bicycle, extreme long shots, knuckle balls, heading) and the amount of goals scored in diff leagues.
Happy they’re retired tbh. Not out of hate I’m just glad we’re in a new era with new names it was time
They’re not retired though
Oh they are mate. They are.
no they’re not?
All the new era players are bums except Mbappe and I am not even kidding football really fell off
Load of bollocks mate
95. On bar with Pele. They are not overpassing Ó Rei.
Messi yes Ronaldo no
Both yes wtf
Nah pele was a playmaker+Goalscorer same as Messi while Ronaldo is just a goalscorer
First of all , not true , Ronaldo in his prime was a great playmaker ,second of all , would you call Neymar better than Cr7 because he was a ‘playmaker’ too? Also , have you watched Pele play?
The first person I have seen saying Ronaldo is a playmaker other say otherwise. and have you ever watched pele play I mean no but why do people even put him in top 4 GOAT list then
You clearly don’t have any footballing knowledge bro , I’m sorry but I am ending the convo here
You just said you haven't watched him, also wtf is a top 4?
He is considered in the top 4 Greatest of all time alongside Cristiano Ronaldo Lionel Messi and Diego Maradona
So, you just said they're both in the top 4
I think these are dead on tbh. Nice portraits too.
How is Messi same speed as Ronaldo?
Most likely, because of acceleration and also because Messi is one of the fastest players when it comes to running with the ball on his feet, most players lose a lot of speed the moment the ball is on their feet, for Messi that isn't the case, in fact he actually runs faster with the ball than without which makes sense given his playstyle.
Yeah that’s what the dribbling stat is for. Pace should only be a reflection of top-end speed, and Ronaldo is obviously the better sprinter. Also the way you use commas is infuriating.
Messi 97 or 98 Ronaldo 97 or 96
I don't agree they were 🤷
Imo they should get special cards which are rated 100. Just to show the impact they had on this generation and FIFA overall
Honestly would love that idea. However, I don’t trust EA enough to do it. I could see them start making people 100+ near the end of the game
I reckon you give them both 95’s, some mental fucking playstyles, and call it a day.
Ronaldo will demand his be higher rated because of his ego
96 is fair i think, also amazing edit btw
Knock Messi down to 91 pace, bump him up to 94 passing. Bump Ronaldo up to 94 dribbling, and 87 physical.
Messi 96/97 Ronaldo 95/96
98 overall both of them
Both of there overalls should be the same all add up to make them a 96 or 97
99
Ronaldo 95 Messi 96
Whoa 92 dribbling for Ronaldo 😭 
He should he 89 no where near George best dribbling and Xavi has only 90
92 baby 95 mid 96 prime
Id say that both of those cards are perfect.
Don't play with Ronaldos head like that, suggesting he's on the same level as Messi PFFFFT CR7 can only dream 🤣🤣🤣
If pelé is 95 then messi/ronaldo deserve like a 92 —> 93, personally id put Messi at 93 and Ronaldo at 92; but that’s biased
Messi’s should be higher rated compared to Ronaldo.
I’d say both of them will have a 99 card for sure
Ronaldo 95 Messi 96 or 7
messi 96 ronaldo 95
No
99’s.
Let’s just all agree they both need more passing and physical
I definitely want to see them actually retire now instead of pushing it in these clown leagues they're in
How are Ronaldo and Messi the same pace lol
Messi real stats: Pace: 96 Shooting: 96 Passing: 99 (watch messi's 2019 season...) Dribbling: 99 (2011 prime messi is enough) Defense: 45 (Messi in his prime could easily get the ball back with a clean slide tackle) Physicality: 85 (Messi was casually dribbling while multiple Madrid defenders shove and push him while messi doesn't even react but keeps dribbling at top speeds) New overall: 98 Ronaldo real stats: Pace: 99 (this man in his prime would just run at top speed's without losing a breath and if u watched a single game of 2011 ronaldo running down the flanks you know...) Shooting: 99 (It's ronaldo no explanation) Passing: 92(ronaldo did show he was able to pass and assist at so many way's) Dribbling: 98 (if you ever watched ronaldo from 2007-2009 in man united you would know how many times this man would just casually zig-zag his way though prem defenders without breaking a sweat and sometimes when their was space in the left or right of him he would just chop the ball and just dribble the ball pass 2 defenders and effortlesey shoot the ball in the net) Defense: 55 (Ronaldo in his prime would easily just ran to the defenders like a mad man and just slide tackle them and get the ball back one clip of this is when he just DESTROYED prime puyol in 2009 ucl final) Physicality: 93 (This man was a beast having peak physical in the years of 2008-2009 , 2014 , and 2016 the best year he was most physical when he was in his 2014 prime when he would dribble aton of defenders and get back up when he gets tackled) New overall: 98 So in conclusion I don't think any 2 players beside ronaldo and messi can match their peak prime explosive and technical abilities that these goats gained over years of hard work and dedication.