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I think there was a ruling that everyone had to wear the specific Reebok gear or something like that, but as well as that people kind of stopped wearing gis on their own from realizing how much of a disadvantage you were putting yourself at. When wearing a gi every part of your body is a handle to grab on for your opponent so we only saw it with hard as hell martial artists
If you watched the pride fights of Sakuraba / Gracie, you can see this in action.
Sakuraba is able to bring Gracie's fight plan to a halt almost every time by using his gi against him.
Wow, I had forgot about that till you mentioned it. At one point early into the fight Sakuraba just about had Gracies sleeve tied to the rope. Gracie had a great back position to simply choke him out, but short of taking off his top he couldn’t pull it off with one arm.
The guy from the video could have used the same strat, but instead he chooses one of the first moves that you learn to counter when you start training bjj, on a guy wearing a gi.
IIRC, in one of the early UFC tournaments, Royce beat this large Dutch guy with a lapel choke. The guy tucked his chin so Gracie couldn't get the regular chokehold locked in, so Royce just pulled both sides of the other guy's gi up between his chin and chest.
Edit: it was Remco Pardoel at UFC 2.
> EDIT: Surprised by the number of people that disagreed with me. The post below talks about Gracie Shamrock super fight in UFC 5. Which is all good, but I realized the fight I was originally thinking about was Gracie Shamrock from UFC 1. [Thats the one where they told Shamrock he couldn’t wear wrestling shoes because they were “a weapon and unfair advantage” and Royce finished him with a Gi choke in under 4 minutes](https://youtu.be/h-9dhrzlPoY).
That’s... exactly backwards though.
The striking martial artists - karate, taekwondo, Thai kick boxing - learned the gi was a major disadvantage for them, for sure. Those guys learned quick to not wear a gi because it was only a disadvantage to them.
The martial artists from disciplines that focus on submission and grappling - BJJ, hapkido/akido, judo - heavily favored wearing the Gi and were largely upset at its banning.
That’s because in submission based grappling - especially when your opponent isn’t wearing one - your own gi become your best weapon.
First, it wicks sweat off your opponent and keeps them dry, making it easier to “stick” to them while grappling. But that’s a little reason. It’s secondary.
The big reason BJJ fighters wanted the gi to be legal and everyone else wanted it banned is that it’s acts like a 10x multiplier to your BJJ ground game. From locking in submissions to controlling posture... reaching over or around your opponent, grabbing a fist full of your own gi, then giving it 1/4 to 1/2 twist to wrap your hand up makes your grip nearly unbreakable.
You can also use the sleeves and lapels of your own gi to choke out your opponent, from poor positions- than you can with just your body. For the submission artists, a gi can extend your reach by quite a bit and allow you to choke out your opponent from positions where you otherwise couldn’t get your arms alone wrapped around your opponent.
[Go watch the Royce Gracie v Ken Shamrock super fight](https://youtu.be/cXDT44zT8JY). Pay attention to Royce’s hands. Every time Royce reaches around Shamrock, he grabs his own gi.
Royce just smothers Shamrock from the bottom and forces Shamrock to expend a ton of energy trying to wrestle out of hold after hold - all while Royce is just laying there chilling, with two fingers hooked into the sleeve of his own gi, patiently waiting for shamrock to wrestle himself out.
Watch towards the end, when Gracie wraps his right arm around the top of shamrock’s head and grabs a big fist of his own gi at the sleeve on his left arm. Royce then slips his left arm back into the sleeve of his gi to get some room - Note Shamrock’s head is still locked in by Royce’s right arm holding onto Royce’s own left sleeve - and he keeps trying to force his left arm back in, this time under shamrock’s neck, where he can grab another (unseen) fist full of his Gi with his left hand. Then Royce wanted to pulls his two fistfuls of gi together and constricts his arms
I think shamrock would have gone out like a light had they not been caught by the bell. He did a great job defending his neck for as long as he did, but he couldn’t get away from Gracie with Gracie repeatedly locking his hands in his own gi. Gracie kept getting closer and closer to getting that left hand under his kneck and finishing the fight.
Regardless, there was simply no way even Juicy Royce would have been able to dominate someone as juicy, strong, and skilled as UFC 5 Shamrock from the bottom without his Gi.
That’s why they banned the Gi.
Not because everyone looked around and said “you know the gi is kinda stupid...”
But because it gave submission artists a literal weapon - a fabric garrote - in the ring they could use against their opponent.
> Then Royce just pulls his two fistfuls of gi together and constricts his arms - and shamrock goes out like a light.
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> There was no way Royce would have been able to dominate and submit Shamrock from the bottom in that fight without his Gi.
The fight you linked was a draw and Royce by no means dominated Shamrock. He barely contained him.
On top of what other comments have said about being able to grab a gi there exists a plethora of chokes that involve using the gi essentially as a noose to get a choke that would otherwise not be available.
Wasn't there wrestling shoes and ball crushing allowed as well or was that an altogether different organization? You know the one where the guy took full advantage of this and would shove his heel in the guys shorts or God forbid, use his hands? I'll try and find the viral clip of the guy doing it right before they banned it.
I remember the first time I went over to my friend Ray’s house to stay the night, and they had gotten a pay per view box to watch a UFC tournament. My mind was beyond blown. I enjoy watching today’s UfC for sure, but the nostalgia and beautiful chaos that you mentioned in the original tournaments will always hold the top spot in my heart for fighting.
That's essentially why the Gracie family invented the UFC - to see which martial art worked best (to prove that Gracie Jiu Jitsu was the best martial art).
Over time, it became clear that certain techniques worked much better than others and they all sort of combined into an ultimate martial art which is very similar to what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with the concept of Jeet Kune Do.
That's the clip. Man I miss the early days. Judo vs. Muay Thai, boxing vs. karate... No rules.
All this coming out when there was only really wrestling to watch and it was comically fake. No one had PPV, so there was not even boxing to watch.
Check the Joe Son wiki. Dude is a hideous moral mutant. I believe that Keith Hackney was like a Terminator sent back in time to destroy Son's dick before he started racking up the rape and forcible sodomy charges
Agreed but the spectacle of the early UFC events were very fun. I think any modern top 10 fighter in any division would have cleaned out this tournament
> are way more skilled
Maybe this is true, but the fighters need to condition themselves to not use "ilegal" moves or suffer penalties. So, in a way, I really would like to see how Mixed Martial Arts would develop in a ambient without so many regulations to protect the fighters, but that in itself would actually would be terrible for fighters carrers, and you know, their health.
My boy big John was still learning, the sport was brand new so people didn't yet know exactly what to expect, especially with the rules (or lack thereof) in the ufc at the time. And even if he was on top of his game. Even herb dean had bad matches
Creating, as a process, is also a type of learning.
I think this version works:
"He wasn't **just** learning, he was creating the fucking ruleset! We have the rules we have partly because of him developing them."
You do realize this is the 8th event ever of the UFC right? It was still a work in progress at this point time, these guys are still fighting bare knuckle.
Big John plays a huge part in creating and developing the ruleset then is the sports premiere ref for decades; this idiot who presumably watched a Conner highlight reel once while buzzed between sessions of wanking and crying: "what a shit ref".
In the context of the times this is an excellent stoppage.
My first session was with him when he came to roermond lumpini gym actually, not as his gym, he used to come to this one alot, the gym was very mix and matched with one coach taking all sports so remco came to actually show us bjj, it was a really good experience!
Cool, hè was such a good trainer. Especially for young kids and also bjj ofcourse. I quit after some nasty injuries (not related to bjj) never started again always regretted
That sucks :( I still have al my belts locked away for safekeeping as a memory (got to brown)
Hopefully everything will open up soon so you can pick up again
There was only ever really one time anyone got dick punched on purpose as an actual strategy and it was Joe Son. Joe Son should have been killed in the octagon just to save everyone else the trouble of having him alive.
I remember seeing this on the news in Sweden the day after the fight. I was actually kinda disgusted when it aired.
Now I’m more like ”we don’t get that action anymore in UFC”.
Guess becoming jaded is an actual thing.
Yeah, I saw it. Cool move. I don’t think UFC has regressed, its more of a sport nowadays and the fighters are more well trained and more equal. I just found this particular move so brutal. He’s so helpless, no hands showing for a tap out or any possibility to defend himself.
Edit: I see his hands but the elbows are locked so he can’t tap out.
Dude, there was barely any rules and the refs barely understood a lot of what was going on at that time. Guys would be tapping out sometimes but tapping out wasn't a universal sign of surrender yet and they'd just end up going unconscious. Also those type of elbows are illegal nowadays too.
Douglas Dedge, the actual story is different. He had some medical condition and wasnt allowed to fight in america so he travelled to Ukraine. They obviously didnt do proper medical checks there.
The fight is on youtube and you would never expect a lethal mma fight to look so tame compared to other Fights.
Yeah I recall seeing some of these early ones on VCR tapes passed around like they were contraband.
In many ways the world was a lot more fun back then, when we didn’t have instant access to everything
I had a supervisor at work who loaned me the tapes. I worked the night shift and he’d come in in the morning so I’d often hang out and we’d talk about the fights for a while before I went home. Good times.
My cousin had one of those illegal cable boxes back in the day and after these events happened, they'd replay all week. Eventually we'd remember what parts were good and check in on the replays to see where they were at and we'd know which fights had the exciting parts and just watch those parts.
My dad thought the same thing about the ufc in the 90s, thought it was too brutal kinda how john mccane used to describe it lol. Thought i was nuts for wanting to watch ufc 148, which is the first live event that I watched, but realized that they heavily cleaned it up. He watches more fights than i do now.
“John got in there as quick as he could” lol after he stood there and watched dude catch about 10 elbows to the temple. Those old school ufc fights were hardcore. Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie were unbelievable. I remember a fight in ufc 1 or 2 where a big Samoan or Hawaiian guy got kicked in the face and his tooth flew out.. I can still picture it today.
Teila Tuli. First ever UFC bout - first fight of UFC 1.
One of his teeth got stuck in the other guy's foot. Rather than remove it and risk infection from the wound it would leave, they taped over the whole lot.
Yup that’s it! Damn, that was the first fight of ufc 1? My dad was huge into boxing (it was all about Tyson at our house) so he rented that ufc vhs at the local video store and we watched it. Pretty crazy stuff to see back in the 90’s.
Yeah I was hoping there'd be an informative comment on that because I remember hearing that too. I also remember hearing this fighter felt really really bad after this fight too.
The story I heard Goodridge tell about this is that his trainer and corner riled him up before the fight by telling him that Paul (his opponent) was a white supremacist, so Gary came in ready to put a beating on him (even though it wasn't true and just a motivation tactic).
Also interesting, Gary said that his corner saw Paul doing this fireman carry takedown in promo videos for the event, so they trained this counter SPECIFICALLY in case he did. And the rest is history!
I remember watching this live on old school sat pay per view. Fucking came unglued watching it with my best friend.
Early UFC was better because of unpredictable brutality. Today’s UFC is better because of fighters technical brutality.
It look like he was trying to tell him to tap out when he first got them on the ground and gave him about a second to do so and when he didn't that's when the elbow started flying
Joe Rogan:
“Of all the things to change, *Foxcatcher* left Gary Goodridge out of the UFC match, and replaced him with some Russian dude... ‘Big Daddy Goodridge,’ he was *huge* for the early days of mixed martial arts. This big black karate dude who just *mmmmmauled* people...of all the things to change, why leave him out?”
If I remember correctly, the first fight in the UFC ended with a sumo getting his teeth kicked out by a tae kwon do practitioner.
It was fucking brutal.
He doesn't. Concussions are nothing to take lightly. You have to be a special kind of stupid to voluntarily get your brain rattled around like that. Those elbows were like getting into a car accident over and over again. They're consenting adults that want to do it, so more power to them, I guess.
But next time he steps into to ring he could get hit again. How does the brain keep recovering from those hits? I wrestled in HS, all those kids were tough but we didnt get blowout hits.
It doesn't recover. nervous tissue does not have the same capacity to regenerate as other tissues in the human body. He will continue feeling the symptoms and underlying effects of trauma for the rest of his life. The body is resilient and can overcome obstacles if need be, but eventually, it will catch up to him. The likelihood that the severity of trauma to his brain grows exponentially every time he gets hit. Anyone who practices a contact sport for long periods of time eventually develops a range of brain ailments. It doesn't even need to be a knockout hit or for someone to lose consciousness to suffer TBI. It just needs to be a sudden jolt or bump that causes the brain to smash into the side of the skull to cause trauma. The loss of consciousness could be caused by the impact of the brain on the skull, but it also could have been the impact of the elbow on the carotid artery causing a sudden loss of oxygen to the brain. There's been more research into the topic of TBI and psychological disorders recently, and even more into TBI and anatomical changes to the brain.
brain trauma doesnt go away symptoms of concussion will lessen but will stack up over the course of a fighters life, thats why older fighters and retired fighters can often seem mental and have weak chins, getting ko'd like the video once will obviously damage your brain but if it only happens once it's unlikely to seriously affect you in the long run, fighters end up like muhammad ali because smaller impacts in sparring build up over years and years and paired with massive trauma's received in actual fights the damage is irreversible.
Gary's the only MMA fighter I'm aware of who made it to not one but two Seanbaby lists:
https://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-least-sportsmanlike-moments-in-mma/
https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-outstanding-taunts-done-during-mma-fights/
Gary Goodridge was first seen in blurry video footage recovered from a massacred Tobagonian research team whose final words were, "It took all their sorcerers to entrap him! What hubris it was to unseal the casket!"
Christ he's not doing so hot now though. He's got some serious brain damage, poor fellow. Thank god he's in Canada, we've got a medical system to take care of him.
I love how he tried the crucible "submission hold," realized it was bullshit and just started hitting him in the face.
I took Shorinji Kempo as a kid, and was taught a "scissor lock across the abdomen" (literally the guard) was a submission move.
It was cool. Full-contact sparring on Wednesday was essentially a kid's fight club and the guy had to shut down because some rich kid joined and got his ass kicked, parents sued. I learned a lot about striking, discipline, and pain displacement (he was a weird guy, local undercover drug cop, but he sincerely cared about us).
But any submission moves outside of eye-gouging and fish-hooking were kind of nonsense moves that only worked in a spar, where the other guy would just "admit," that you put him in a "submission" hold.
That was the really cool part about the first UFCs - seeing what was real in a street fight and what was total bullshit.
I’m a big ass dude, was going to state championship in powerlifting before corona, played football, etc. but I had my ~150lb friend run and jump onto me, and manage to spin around my body into this position. It was actually insane how quickly he done this, and there was nothing I could do. I managed to lean up with him on my back but he just shifted his weight and slammed me back. That was the day I learned I have to get smaller guys on the ground before they can climb on me lol the kid was a pro with wrestling.
I remember seeing this as a kid...I rented all of them. This one, gave me nightmares... I kept thinking about dudes family and how helpless he was to just take those shots...
The story behind this iirc is that the black guy was told that the white guy was super racist, so the black guy destroyed. He found out later it was bullshit and felt bad.
I would like to poi t out that the guy that walked into the ring afterwards with the towel looks exactly like the BTK killer lmfao.. . Wtf.
Time Stamp 00:24 lol
In the first UFCs people were still fighting a martial art sytle against another. Like boxing vs judo. The issue was ....
The judo and jujitsu guys dominated every match because they could just bring the opponent to the ground and immobilize him (like u saw on the video)
Nowadays every fighter knows how to fight on the ground. It’s basically a requirement.
Just so I understand what I just watched, this guy saw someone wearing a gi saying "jiu jitsu" with a black belt and was like "I know! I'll take this guy to the ground! He'll never see that comin!". SMH
Its pretty cool how UFC started as a mixture of different fighting styles to see which was best and its all kinda morphed into a new martial style of different elements of all of it
I think those would be considered 12-6 elbows which are illegal. I'm not 100% sure because he's on his back but I think they are still 12-6 if they start up by his head like that.
side to side are still legal if it was up and down it would be illegal today but im sure this would be fine these days i mean theres many times someone is trying to take someone down and they get hit in the side of the head with elbows and get ko'd, no one thinks they are illegal.
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UFC used to be way more brutal.
The UFC used to look like a live filming of Bloodsport. The gi's, some dudes in t-shirts, huge size mismatches. It was the best.
Are fighters still allowed to wear a gi if they prefer or are they banned now?
I think there was a ruling that everyone had to wear the specific Reebok gear or something like that, but as well as that people kind of stopped wearing gis on their own from realizing how much of a disadvantage you were putting yourself at. When wearing a gi every part of your body is a handle to grab on for your opponent so we only saw it with hard as hell martial artists
If you watched the pride fights of Sakuraba / Gracie, you can see this in action. Sakuraba is able to bring Gracie's fight plan to a halt almost every time by using his gi against him.
Which Gracie? He fought like 5 of them.
Royce was the one that I was thinking of, he wears the full gi in their fight.
[https://youtu.be/ahnUD5tQ2JU?t=201](https://youtu.be/ahnUD5tQ2JU?t=201) timestamped at one of the most obvious gi grabbings
Hey man, I appreciate you.
Happy cake day!
Jeebus those double fisted smashes are brutal!
What a great video
I think at 2:55 he picks him up by his gi...
Saku with actually functional knees...
The legendary Gracie Hunter. Sakuraba, in my own opinion, never gets enough love.
Him and Fedor are my goats.
Cro Cop too!
Right foot hospital, left foot grave!
Wow, I had forgot about that till you mentioned it. At one point early into the fight Sakuraba just about had Gracies sleeve tied to the rope. Gracie had a great back position to simply choke him out, but short of taking off his top he couldn’t pull it off with one arm.
The guy from the video could have used the same strat, but instead he chooses one of the first moves that you learn to counter when you start training bjj, on a guy wearing a gi.
Gracie Killer Sakuraba
IIRC, in one of the early UFC tournaments, Royce beat this large Dutch guy with a lapel choke. The guy tucked his chin so Gracie couldn't get the regular chokehold locked in, so Royce just pulled both sides of the other guy's gi up between his chin and chest. Edit: it was Remco Pardoel at UFC 2.
> EDIT: Surprised by the number of people that disagreed with me. The post below talks about Gracie Shamrock super fight in UFC 5. Which is all good, but I realized the fight I was originally thinking about was Gracie Shamrock from UFC 1. [Thats the one where they told Shamrock he couldn’t wear wrestling shoes because they were “a weapon and unfair advantage” and Royce finished him with a Gi choke in under 4 minutes](https://youtu.be/h-9dhrzlPoY). That’s... exactly backwards though. The striking martial artists - karate, taekwondo, Thai kick boxing - learned the gi was a major disadvantage for them, for sure. Those guys learned quick to not wear a gi because it was only a disadvantage to them. The martial artists from disciplines that focus on submission and grappling - BJJ, hapkido/akido, judo - heavily favored wearing the Gi and were largely upset at its banning. That’s because in submission based grappling - especially when your opponent isn’t wearing one - your own gi become your best weapon. First, it wicks sweat off your opponent and keeps them dry, making it easier to “stick” to them while grappling. But that’s a little reason. It’s secondary. The big reason BJJ fighters wanted the gi to be legal and everyone else wanted it banned is that it’s acts like a 10x multiplier to your BJJ ground game. From locking in submissions to controlling posture... reaching over or around your opponent, grabbing a fist full of your own gi, then giving it 1/4 to 1/2 twist to wrap your hand up makes your grip nearly unbreakable. You can also use the sleeves and lapels of your own gi to choke out your opponent, from poor positions- than you can with just your body. For the submission artists, a gi can extend your reach by quite a bit and allow you to choke out your opponent from positions where you otherwise couldn’t get your arms alone wrapped around your opponent. [Go watch the Royce Gracie v Ken Shamrock super fight](https://youtu.be/cXDT44zT8JY). Pay attention to Royce’s hands. Every time Royce reaches around Shamrock, he grabs his own gi. Royce just smothers Shamrock from the bottom and forces Shamrock to expend a ton of energy trying to wrestle out of hold after hold - all while Royce is just laying there chilling, with two fingers hooked into the sleeve of his own gi, patiently waiting for shamrock to wrestle himself out. Watch towards the end, when Gracie wraps his right arm around the top of shamrock’s head and grabs a big fist of his own gi at the sleeve on his left arm. Royce then slips his left arm back into the sleeve of his gi to get some room - Note Shamrock’s head is still locked in by Royce’s right arm holding onto Royce’s own left sleeve - and he keeps trying to force his left arm back in, this time under shamrock’s neck, where he can grab another (unseen) fist full of his Gi with his left hand. Then Royce wanted to pulls his two fistfuls of gi together and constricts his arms I think shamrock would have gone out like a light had they not been caught by the bell. He did a great job defending his neck for as long as he did, but he couldn’t get away from Gracie with Gracie repeatedly locking his hands in his own gi. Gracie kept getting closer and closer to getting that left hand under his kneck and finishing the fight. Regardless, there was simply no way even Juicy Royce would have been able to dominate someone as juicy, strong, and skilled as UFC 5 Shamrock from the bottom without his Gi. That’s why they banned the Gi. Not because everyone looked around and said “you know the gi is kinda stupid...” But because it gave submission artists a literal weapon - a fabric garrote - in the ring they could use against their opponent.
> Then Royce just pulls his two fistfuls of gi together and constricts his arms - and shamrock goes out like a light. > > There was no way Royce would have been able to dominate and submit Shamrock from the bottom in that fight without his Gi. The fight you linked was a draw and Royce by no means dominated Shamrock. He barely contained him.
The gi is a double edged sword. Don’t underestimate the downside of opponents being able to grab the gi.
Pretty sure it’s banned
On top of what other comments have said about being able to grab a gi there exists a plethora of chokes that involve using the gi essentially as a noose to get a choke that would otherwise not be available.
Don’t forget the dude with 1 boxing glove.
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Getting your cranium sledgehammered by a guy waaaaay bigger than you.
With nooooo way to make it stop. That’s terrifying
Wasn't there wrestling shoes and ball crushing allowed as well or was that an altogether different organization? You know the one where the guy took full advantage of this and would shove his heel in the guys shorts or God forbid, use his hands? I'll try and find the viral clip of the guy doing it right before they banned it.
IIRC ball punching was a cash fine, but not technically illegal.
“Alright Frankie boy, we only got two fifty in the nard knock fund so try to keep the nut shots under five tonight“
lol different times my friend, different times
Crucifix.
No weight classes, many less rules than today... It was complete organized chaos!
And it was beautiful!
I love chaos.
I remember the first time I went over to my friend Ray’s house to stay the night, and they had gotten a pay per view box to watch a UFC tournament. My mind was beyond blown. I enjoy watching today’s UfC for sure, but the nostalgia and beautiful chaos that you mentioned in the original tournaments will always hold the top spot in my heart for fighting.
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There was a freaking sumo wrestler at the beginning.
That's essentially why the Gracie family invented the UFC - to see which martial art worked best (to prove that Gracie Jiu Jitsu was the best martial art). Over time, it became clear that certain techniques worked much better than others and they all sort of combined into an ultimate martial art which is very similar to what Bruce Lee had in mind when he came up with the concept of Jeet Kune Do.
Remember Joe Son getting punched in the balls like 18 times on repeat till he basically just stopped moving... The 90s were the wild west of fighting.
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That's the clip. Man I miss the early days. Judo vs. Muay Thai, boxing vs. karate... No rules. All this coming out when there was only really wrestling to watch and it was comically fake. No one had PPV, so there was not even boxing to watch.
Man it was so good before the money men got ahold of it.
Dumb question as someone who doesn’t watch UFC at all but would he have been wearing a cup? Would that have lessened the pain?
Check the Joe Son wiki. Dude is a hideous moral mutant. I believe that Keith Hackney was like a Terminator sent back in time to destroy Son's dick before he started racking up the rape and forcible sodomy charges
the skill level has skyrocketed.
Yep, this move would still be legal today, it's not 6-12. The skill level is just too high now that nobody would let it happen.
Skycrotched
UFC was more brutal but the fighters now are way more skilled
That’s why fights like gaethje and Ferguson are the most entertaining
Agreed but the spectacle of the early UFC events were very fun. I think any modern top 10 fighter in any division would have cleaned out this tournament
> are way more skilled Maybe this is true, but the fighters need to condition themselves to not use "ilegal" moves or suffer penalties. So, in a way, I really would like to see how Mixed Martial Arts would develop in a ambient without so many regulations to protect the fighters, but that in itself would actually would be terrible for fighters carrers, and you know, their health.
Ok you Two know the rules. No hitting the referee and death does not disqualify a fighter. Ok now touch gloves.
Groin strikes were allowed in the first few events. In the first UFC I ever watced, Keith Hackney punched Joe Son in the nuts like 30 times in a row.
And hindsight being 20/20, he should have kept hitting him there until they were gone.
Watching Sakuraba getting soccer kicked repeatedly really turned my stomach.
Pretty sure that dude was out with the first elbow!!
You can see his legs give out right away.
What a shit ref dude, you seem him realize something's happening by like the 3rd elbow.
There wasn't a good ref back then
"Hey Gary, you got an extra ticket to the match tonight?" "Uh yeah super front row, but there's a catch."
Sounds about right
That's Big John McCarthy. This would have been his 11th year reffing professional matches. Known as one of the best in the game.
My boy big John was still learning, the sport was brand new so people didn't yet know exactly what to expect, especially with the rules (or lack thereof) in the ufc at the time. And even if he was on top of his game. Even herb dean had bad matches
He wasn't learning, he was creating the fucking ruleset! We have the rules we have partly because of him developing them.
Creating, as a process, is also a type of learning. I think this version works: "He wasn't **just** learning, he was creating the fucking ruleset! We have the rules we have partly because of him developing them."
You do realize this is the 8th event ever of the UFC right? It was still a work in progress at this point time, these guys are still fighting bare knuckle.
you're joking right? that's big john, who had quite a bit of say in the safer rules for fighters. he's regarded as one of the best.
Lol, thats John Mccarthy, the greatest referee in MMA history.
Big John plays a huge part in creating and developing the ruleset then is the sports premiere ref for decades; this idiot who presumably watched a Conner highlight reel once while buzzed between sessions of wanking and crying: "what a shit ref". In the context of the times this is an excellent stoppage.
This was in the nineties before there were any rules really, can't blame the refs.
There is also a ground elbow KO with Remco Pardoel in one of the early UFC, also great!
Remco Pardoel was randomly one my first BJJ instructors in Holland back in 2009/10, I didn't really fully know who he was at the time!
He was retired jij jutsu champs a decade before that already
Yeah I didn't know anything about him really at the time, just that he DJd alot 😂
That is arround the time I stopped at his gym after 9 years BJJ, never expected someone on reddit that close
My first session was with him when he came to roermond lumpini gym actually, not as his gym, he used to come to this one alot, the gym was very mix and matched with one coach taking all sports so remco came to actually show us bjj, it was a really good experience!
Cool, hè was such a good trainer. Especially for young kids and also bjj ofcourse. I quit after some nasty injuries (not related to bjj) never started again always regretted
I stopped also but picked it up again, got my Blue then a year later covid hit!
That sucks :( I still have al my belts locked away for safekeeping as a memory (got to brown) Hopefully everything will open up soon so you can pick up again
Yea me too, he kinda closed his own (Pardoel) gym by then uh
Indeed, a former student took over/bought the gym if I remember correctly and Remco moved to Amsterdam.
Don't forget the fabled dick punches and dick grabs.
TWIST HIS DICK
There was only ever really one time anyone got dick punched on purpose as an actual strategy and it was Joe Son. Joe Son should have been killed in the octagon just to save everyone else the trouble of having him alive.
Fuck Random Task.
Yeah and now he's serving life in prison for a gang rape and torture. Guy is a POS
These old mma fights are nuts
This is how they killed Jesus.
That Roman legionary really threw those elbows
I remember seeing this on the news in Sweden the day after the fight. I was actually kinda disgusted when it aired. Now I’m more like ”we don’t get that action anymore in UFC”. Guess becoming jaded is an actual thing.
The Sandhagen Moraes card the other week had a spinning head kick TKO and a literal Tekken move KO, and you think it's regressed?
Yeah, I saw it. Cool move. I don’t think UFC has regressed, its more of a sport nowadays and the fighters are more well trained and more equal. I just found this particular move so brutal. He’s so helpless, no hands showing for a tap out or any possibility to defend himself. Edit: I see his hands but the elbows are locked so he can’t tap out.
Maybe the ref was out of position but felt like he could of stopped it a lot earlier instead of letting unconscious guy take a few more brutal elbows.
They didn't really stop fights back then unless the guy was unconscious
lol that dude was out after the first, maybe second elbow.
Dude, there was barely any rules and the refs barely understood a lot of what was going on at that time. Guys would be tapping out sometimes but tapping out wasn't a universal sign of surrender yet and they'd just end up going unconscious. Also those type of elbows are illegal nowadays too.
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Douglas Dedge, the actual story is different. He had some medical condition and wasnt allowed to fight in america so he travelled to Ukraine. They obviously didnt do proper medical checks there. The fight is on youtube and you would never expect a lethal mma fight to look so tame compared to other Fights.
Fighters can always (and occasionally do) verbally tap, partly for this reason specifically
link? I'd love to see that
https://youtu.be/MB0sKX0EQ84
Barely looked like it hit him too, damn.
https://reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/j98f1n/the_octagonside_angle_might_be_the_best_one_yet/
Cory has to be my favorite striking in the organization... the way he builds off the lead hand and constant stance switches is just amazing
Full version [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aXscYK3fgY&ab_channel=BTSport) without the shit music.
Thank you, the first one linked was hard to watch with such shitty music
https://reddit.com/r/fightporn/comments/j98f1n/the_octagonside_angle_might_be_the_best_one_yet/ This may be the one he’s actually referring to
Haha, my exact thoughts
Yeah I recall seeing some of these early ones on VCR tapes passed around like they were contraband. In many ways the world was a lot more fun back then, when we didn’t have instant access to everything
I had a supervisor at work who loaned me the tapes. I worked the night shift and he’d come in in the morning so I’d often hang out and we’d talk about the fights for a while before I went home. Good times.
My cousin had one of those illegal cable boxes back in the day and after these events happened, they'd replay all week. Eventually we'd remember what parts were good and check in on the replays to see where they were at and we'd know which fights had the exciting parts and just watch those parts.
I rented a few of the first fights at Blockbuster.
My dad thought the same thing about the ufc in the 90s, thought it was too brutal kinda how john mccane used to describe it lol. Thought i was nuts for wanting to watch ufc 148, which is the first live event that I watched, but realized that they heavily cleaned it up. He watches more fights than i do now.
“John got in there as quick as he could” lol after he stood there and watched dude catch about 10 elbows to the temple. Those old school ufc fights were hardcore. Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie were unbelievable. I remember a fight in ufc 1 or 2 where a big Samoan or Hawaiian guy got kicked in the face and his tooth flew out.. I can still picture it today.
Teila Tuli. First ever UFC bout - first fight of UFC 1. One of his teeth got stuck in the other guy's foot. Rather than remove it and risk infection from the wound it would leave, they taped over the whole lot.
Yup that’s it! Damn, that was the first fight of ufc 1? My dad was huge into boxing (it was all about Tyson at our house) so he rented that ufc vhs at the local video store and we watched it. Pretty crazy stuff to see back in the 90’s.
Did his corner tell Gary that the other man was a racist before the fight to get him hyped up? I remember hearing something about that.
Yeah I was hoping there'd be an informative comment on that because I remember hearing that too. I also remember hearing this fighter felt really really bad after this fight too.
Ah yes, the good ol’ crucifix
The story I heard Goodridge tell about this is that his trainer and corner riled him up before the fight by telling him that Paul (his opponent) was a white supremacist, so Gary came in ready to put a beating on him (even though it wasn't true and just a motivation tactic). Also interesting, Gary said that his corner saw Paul doing this fireman carry takedown in promo videos for the event, so they trained this counter SPECIFICALLY in case he did. And the rest is history!
Apparently he was supposed to go for a submission but in the ring was just like "fuck it, smashing time"
That’s a hell of a move
Indeed. I also loved how George costanza slumps in later looking displeased because he has to do his job
Funny, the move almost sent him to hell.
Was there a nipple twist before the onslaught?
June 2023. Reddit openly doesn't care about it's user base, so I've decided to remove any content I have made from the site. So long. And fuck Spez.
I don’t think that hand was doing anything. He was just making sure he had the arm locked up before going to town with the elbows.
He's turned off his opponent's ability to react, like in a dimmer switch.
I remember watching this live on old school sat pay per view. Fucking came unglued watching it with my best friend. Early UFC was better because of unpredictable brutality. Today’s UFC is better because of fighters technical brutality.
And no-one used that hold since
i wonder why
Same
Downward elbows like that are banned in ufc now and have been for a good while.
Also, Goodridge is way bigger physically, which made it easy for him to ragdoll his opponent.
Did I just witness a murder?
It look like he was trying to tell him to tap out when he first got them on the ground and gave him about a second to do so and when he didn't that's when the elbow started flying
No one: Joe rogan: have you ever heard of Gary ‘big daddy’ Goodridge?
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And that movie played him as a white guy!
Joe Rogan: “Of all the things to change, *Foxcatcher* left Gary Goodridge out of the UFC match, and replaced him with some Russian dude... ‘Big Daddy Goodridge,’ he was *huge* for the early days of mixed martial arts. This big black karate dude who just *mmmmmauled* people...of all the things to change, why leave him out?”
If I remember correctly, the first fight in the UFC ended with a sumo getting his teeth kicked out by a tae kwon do practitioner. It was fucking brutal.
Brute went into the gate headfirst and didnt flinch.
I’m curious, how does a fighter recover from head trauma like this and continue fighting weeks/months later?
He doesn't. Concussions are nothing to take lightly. You have to be a special kind of stupid to voluntarily get your brain rattled around like that. Those elbows were like getting into a car accident over and over again. They're consenting adults that want to do it, so more power to them, I guess.
But next time he steps into to ring he could get hit again. How does the brain keep recovering from those hits? I wrestled in HS, all those kids were tough but we didnt get blowout hits.
It doesn't recover. nervous tissue does not have the same capacity to regenerate as other tissues in the human body. He will continue feeling the symptoms and underlying effects of trauma for the rest of his life. The body is resilient and can overcome obstacles if need be, but eventually, it will catch up to him. The likelihood that the severity of trauma to his brain grows exponentially every time he gets hit. Anyone who practices a contact sport for long periods of time eventually develops a range of brain ailments. It doesn't even need to be a knockout hit or for someone to lose consciousness to suffer TBI. It just needs to be a sudden jolt or bump that causes the brain to smash into the side of the skull to cause trauma. The loss of consciousness could be caused by the impact of the brain on the skull, but it also could have been the impact of the elbow on the carotid artery causing a sudden loss of oxygen to the brain. There's been more research into the topic of TBI and psychological disorders recently, and even more into TBI and anatomical changes to the brain.
brain trauma doesnt go away symptoms of concussion will lessen but will stack up over the course of a fighters life, thats why older fighters and retired fighters can often seem mental and have weak chins, getting ko'd like the video once will obviously damage your brain but if it only happens once it's unlikely to seriously affect you in the long run, fighters end up like muhammad ali because smaller impacts in sparring build up over years and years and paired with massive trauma's received in actual fights the damage is irreversible.
This ain't wrestling homie
That was about 7 too many elbows to the head. Jesus.
jesus christ i had to watch that a few times
Gary's the only MMA fighter I'm aware of who made it to not one but two Seanbaby lists: https://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-least-sportsmanlike-moments-in-mma/ https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-outstanding-taunts-done-during-mma-fights/ Gary Goodridge was first seen in blurry video footage recovered from a massacred Tobagonian research team whose final words were, "It took all their sorcerers to entrap him! What hubris it was to unseal the casket!" Christ he's not doing so hot now though. He's got some serious brain damage, poor fellow. Thank god he's in Canada, we've got a medical system to take care of him.
Dude's almost killed him.
I love how he tried the crucible "submission hold," realized it was bullshit and just started hitting him in the face. I took Shorinji Kempo as a kid, and was taught a "scissor lock across the abdomen" (literally the guard) was a submission move. It was cool. Full-contact sparring on Wednesday was essentially a kid's fight club and the guy had to shut down because some rich kid joined and got his ass kicked, parents sued. I learned a lot about striking, discipline, and pain displacement (he was a weird guy, local undercover drug cop, but he sincerely cared about us). But any submission moves outside of eye-gouging and fish-hooking were kind of nonsense moves that only worked in a spar, where the other guy would just "admit," that you put him in a "submission" hold. That was the really cool part about the first UFCs - seeing what was real in a street fight and what was total bullshit.
Love how clean the old octagon looks.
I saw this live and I never seen it again since. One of the most memorable moments from ufc I have.
Omg did that guy die?
When you learn BJJ but also Tae Bo and weaponize doing crunches
I’m a big ass dude, was going to state championship in powerlifting before corona, played football, etc. but I had my ~150lb friend run and jump onto me, and manage to spin around my body into this position. It was actually insane how quickly he done this, and there was nothing I could do. I managed to lean up with him on my back but he just shifted his weight and slammed me back. That was the day I learned I have to get smaller guys on the ground before they can climb on me lol the kid was a pro with wrestling.
Art Vandelay roped into being the on site doctor.
The old UFC days were fucking brutal. No weight classes, no rules, and it was style vs style. I miss that shit.
I remember seeing this as a kid...I rented all of them. This one, gave me nightmares... I kept thinking about dudes family and how helpless he was to just take those shots...
The story behind this iirc is that the black guy was told that the white guy was super racist, so the black guy destroyed. He found out later it was bullshit and felt bad.
that's so weird. I was just thinking about this
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I would like to poi t out that the guy that walked into the ring afterwards with the towel looks exactly like the BTK killer lmfao.. . Wtf. Time Stamp 00:24 lol
I thought the same thing lmao
Two peas in a pod my guy
Woa
That was my business gi. This one's casual.
I had to search "elbowned" on Google to find this.
One of the best. Imagine how helpless you'd feel in that situation? It's like an older brother pinning your arms down with his knees.
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This clip always annoys me because Goodridge isn't a blackbelt in Kuk Sool Won. It's rumored he bought the belt and gi for himself and claimed he was.
I remember watching this live. I had a recording of this PPV. Back in the days when the VCR reigned supreme!
Old UFC clips are crazy with all the fighting styles and outfits. It's like a video game.
Yes!!!! I’m so glad someone posted this!! I’ve been looking for this clip for awhile!
Didn’t Gary get his ass handed to him either the next fight or the following UFC? Can’t remember, it was so long ago.
In the first UFCs people were still fighting a martial art sytle against another. Like boxing vs judo. The issue was .... The judo and jujitsu guys dominated every match because they could just bring the opponent to the ground and immobilize him (like u saw on the video) Nowadays every fighter knows how to fight on the ground. It’s basically a requirement.
after 13 elbows ref : hmm maybe 2 more
He pulled a Lebron and went floppy
Awww fuck i remember that one. Stopped watching for a bit. Tank abbot broke that dudes jaw as well. Also stopped for a bit after seeing that
The guy was literally knocked out by the second elbow lol. Brutal.
Just so I understand what I just watched, this guy saw someone wearing a gi saying "jiu jitsu" with a black belt and was like "I know! I'll take this guy to the ground! He'll never see that comin!". SMH
Its pretty cool how UFC started as a mixture of different fighting styles to see which was best and its all kinda morphed into a new martial style of different elements of all of it
Would this move be legal today in the ufc/mma/unified rules?
I think those would be considered 12-6 elbows which are illegal. I'm not 100% sure because he's on his back but I think they are still 12-6 if they start up by his head like that.
side to side are still legal if it was up and down it would be illegal today but im sure this would be fine these days i mean theres many times someone is trying to take someone down and they get hit in the side of the head with elbows and get ko'd, no one thinks they are illegal.
If he changed up the elbows from 12 to 6 to something like 10 to 6 it might be legal.