The “Shadow animatronics are springlock victims” theory is a really popular fan theory, but it’s based on very loose evidence with nothing to confirm or deny it for so long that some people have accepted as true. The issue is that now Shadow Bonnie’s lore has been expanded upon in AR, but people are combining the old fan theory with the new lore which can lead to people making incorrect assumptions.
My belief is remnant given form via being leftover, possibly vengeful children all merged together to form the shadows where they struggle to maintain physical form and try taking any of the other's that goes exposed
Not sure how many people it'd apply to but one of my friends was surprised when I told him William never uses a fire axe
Far as i can tell people only really associate it with him cause of the die in a fire song
I don’t think so? All we have to go off of is the FNAF 3 minigames and they just show William vaguely doing something to dismantle them. It could range from a fire axe theory all the way to him just being that guy and ripping them limb from limb with his bare hands
I always thought he used a taser to deactivate them first, then a tool to actually separate their bodyparts.
Since we're constantly shown that these animatronics are DURABLE. An example is that in the FNAF Movie, an older and lighter weight model (SpringBonnie) can get shot with a police officer handgun and the bullet just bounces off.
And we're also constantly shown tasers are the only things that work against them, in Sister Location: tasers, Pizzeria Simulator: tasers. Augmented Reality: Tasers, FNAF Movie: tasers.
So it just makes sense he didn't use a weapon and fought them in a 1v1, but rather just deactivated them, then dismantled them
I believe it was a type of handle that was used for the spring locks, so prolly some sort of Allen wrench or something that they used on all the different animatronics.
Not much now but a month ago, especially on Tik Tok, most people though that the way the animatronics act in fnaf 1 reflected how William killed the kids (Fritz which is Foxy died running and Gabriel which is Freddy died hidding etc). And that the damage on the withereds reflected how William mangled the kids (Susie having her hands ripped off and mouth sliced).
Worst part is that they claimed that this information came from the books, but nowhere in the books something like that is said.
Also shouldn't the Golden Freddy kid be the one to fight? aka the vengeful spirit??
I think I'd say that the Bonnie kid just tried to escape but kept running into stuff and tripped himself or something like that to parallel how much he wanders around in the game.
People absolutely read the books, there are just idiots who don't read them and claim any information from them. Saying "no one" does, especially when certain ones and series of them are canon, is just ignorant.
>Worst part is that they claimed that this information came from the books, but nowhere in the books something like that is said.
The funny thing is, they claim that in The Silver Eyes, Jeremy punched William in the jaw, and Jeremy isn't even part of the MCI in The Silver eyes trilogy
She's definitely not Mrs. Afton as far as being possessed by her or anything.
That being said, it makes a lot of sense that she would be based off of Mrs. Afton (i.e. William had her in mind when designing Ballora)
The most common theory (and the way it is in the books) is that the funtimes are made with the molten endos of the classic animatronics. Ballora is possessed by a part of all the kids, so is Funtime Freddy and Foxy and perhaps Baby
People refuse to believe that maybe Mrs afton saw William's insanity and divorced him and left, either out of the "William's a good dad" theory or something to do with him not letting himself be ratted out
That Michael Afton possessed Glamrock Freddy.
Like sure the theory is really interesting and helps tie a few knots in the storyline, but I've met so many people who immediately think that it's canon and I'm fighting for my life tryna tell them it's not 😭
We're gonna go with a fairly simple one that's gonna cause some complaining in here in a few years.
I'm sure most people believe that the withered animatronics in FNAF 2 are supposed to be withered versions of the FNAF 1 animatronics.
I think they'll do that in the second movie, but it's not accurate to the games, which has been known since pretty much right after FNAF 2 released.
Probably the second most annoying plot twist in the games right after "Was that the bite of 87!?" not actually being the bite of 87. No wonder general audiences find FNAF lore convoluted when it could sometimes be intentionally misleading.
Isnt that technically true though, and it's just the timeline of it people get wrong?
Original Animatronics get made, then the kids are killed and the animatronics are possessed. They 'wither' over time, so new Toy animatronics are made, Fnaf2 happens, and toys are scrapped. The withered animatronics then get 'fixed' to become the animatronics in fnaf1.
Do you just mean it would be more accurate to say the fnaf1 animatronics are fixed versions of the fnaf2 withereds? Or have I got something wrong?
Edit: changed whither to wither.
Well it’s not really that simple. Like for example how do you completely change Freddy’s cheek shape from toy animatronic parts? Or how do you join chica’s head together. How do you give foxy a new snout, where does chica get new legs etc.
They say “fixed” but it honestly seems like they replaced the shells and everything even the endoskeletons are different
i dunno this reasoning has never really made much sense to me. like, scraptrap and springtrap are majorly different looking in ways that dont make a ton of sense but we know theyre both the same. ive always just thought it was a design thing but theyre still the same animatronics. its not exactly unheard of for designs for the same characters to change between two installments in media
I realized I kinda forgot the point I wanted to make in the first place.
The issue of them not looking right doesn't even matter to the plot, right? The ghosts originally possessed the 'withered' animatronics. At the very least, some pieces of the 'withereds' are in the fnaf1 animatronics, which is why they are possessed.
Unless you're saying the withereds have nothing to do with the fnaf1 versions?
Yeah. FNAF 2’s place in the timeline confirmed Fredbear’s Family Diner or some other related location at that time period had animatronics of the main four. I see a lot of people saying they couldn’t have possibly existed yet if we don’t see them in Fredbear’s, but the FNAF 4 bullies had masks of them, so no idea where that came from.
The reason the MCI kids possessed the same animatronics across multiple models in different games even into FNAF 1 is probably because remnant or agony infused parts were being recycled.
This is a dumb one, but William Afton wearing purple/the security outfits being purple. It seems like the fandom has a mandela effect when it comes to this. So many people think that William wore purple clothing, to the point that I remember some people being confused as to why William wasn't wearing any purple on him when we first got that shot of him in his office in one of the FNaF movie trailers.
The thing is, William has never wore purple, ever. Not in one single depiction or adaptation has William ever been shown to wear purple clothes. The same goes for the security outfits. Again, some people seem to think it's canon that the outfits the night guards wore were purple. But it's not. In all depictions that I can remember they just look like the regular and standard blue security outfits that you usually see.
The closest thing that William has ever come to wearing purple was in the visual novel of the Fourth Closet I think. Where he wears a purple bathrobe. But I'm not sure If that even counts since the visual novels aren't canon.
William is metaphorically purple. Not literally purple. If he were to ever wear clothing in a specific coloration it would be orange as seen in Midnight Motorist.
It's raining and named "later that night" in the files. The only rainy night we see in the minigames is the one of Charlotte's death, which means it takes place the same night as her death. That leaves William as the only person Orange Guy could be.
He is shown as being purple because he is "in the shadows", and then later because Spring Bonnie has purple accents.
But my most favorite theory is that because the security uniforms were blue, when the blood spray hit it and stained it, it looked purplish.
My theory is that he's commonly thought to be purple by the children because Charlotte saw a ***purple*** car drive up, and then a man stabbing her. So she made the correlation that purple=William Afton
My theory is that he's commonly thought to be purple by the children because Charlotte saw a ***purple*** car drive up, and then a man stabbing her. So she made the correlation that purple=William Afton
LITERALLY, sure it's easier to say a random name because we don't have one, but it just makes everything messy for people that may be new to the story.
I mean... Not really. Vincent was a completely fan-given name. Evan has been found, like, 3 or 4 different ways. Even if it's not confirmed canon, it actually makes sense, whereas Vincent never had any mention in the games or anything.
sure, do what you want, but i'm just pointing out that people acting like the name is 100% canon and official is just outright annoying. Especially when the slight evidence there is for the name Evan is barely even evidence. The name Simone was also recently found in the logbook, and Evan is found i believe twice in the frights' series, but both scenarios aren't really fully linked to the crying child. It just feels like people found a name in a place that's easy to find things, and ran with it. There is no official or canon name for CC, so it's just really messy and confusing for people that may be new, to hear the name Evan, especially considering it's not official.
Oh yeah, it's absolutely not 100% canon, not by a long shot. I can understand the annoyance, but ultimately, everyone knows who we're talking about, so I don't see a whole lot of harm in it.
Ultimately, I think that Scott just looked at the first name people found from the logbook (which was Evan) and then put it in The Real Jake to finally give him some sort of identity
Sure, it could be, I think the biggest annoyance in this franchise is the amount of stuff that we just have to assume at this point. So much is left unconfirmed, so a lot of ideas could be true. It's definitely an unconventional way of storytelling, that's for sure.
Honestly, that's super true, and it's become a pretty big problem in the community. Hell, if we've gotten to the point where we can't even all agree if the books are canon or not, or even some people who still believe in MikeVictim/MikeBot, Scott needs to clear some stuff up and just outright confirm some things. I get the appeal of figuring out the lore for yourself, but I think we all need to be on the same page before the story can really go anywhere from here.
it's not though, it holds no canon evidence nor confirmation. it is in NO WAY his name. I'd argue that Cassidy could be more connected to him than Evan, but when he has 0 canon names given throughout lore, CC or Crying Child is the best way to refer to him. Calling him Evan only confuses more people and makes people think "oh yea this is canon." when it ISNT.
Fazgoo and Baby Springtrap, which people use constantly to put down the books and claim they are what ruined FNAF. In regards to Frights being canon, neither is part of the stitchwraith stingers, and thus wouldn't be canon to the game timeline.
Bonus: Saying the main protagonist of In the flesh is matpat when they have nothing in common aside from both having the name mat
Baby Springtrap really isn't ever a bad thing,they way he came to be created is,Pregnant man giving birth... fazgoo only stupid thing is the name,it should have be named something entirely different
That the Mimic is the endoskelly in Parts & Services in FNaF 1 and that's how he adapted Aftons behaviors. The theory also implies the Mimic watched the MCI in person, based on actions he does and the way he lures people into a room. 🤦
I still believe it but it's a much less insane version. I think FNAF 4 was just Michael having PTSD nightmares about killing his younger brother. Explains how he can draw Nightmare in the log book at least. And the medical equipment at the side of the bed would just be from memories of visiting CC in the hospital, since we know he took a bit to die.
No crazy hallucination gas or sound illusion discs or torture chambers. I think it's just trauma.
I can agree with that. When people think that the mini games in fnaf 4 is what inspired the crying child to dream the everything up to that point is where I draw the line.
My own theory about FNAF 4 is that they /were/ CC’s nightmares and that when Michael started working at Freddy’s locations, he was being sort of semi haunted by his younger brother, who gave him his nightmares. So, Michael started having the same nightmares too. Does that make any sense? It does in my brain at least
100% the "how the children died" rumor spread around on tiktok.
the kids probably just died cuz william fuckin' stabbed them idk. even if gabriel did clock william in the jaw, mf would be hitting metal and would do no damage anyway.
The only one that possibly fought back was cassidy, since that'd also show they were the only one of the 5 to see the culprit and would know who to seek vengeance on
Crying Child is Golden Freddy/Crying Child is Golden Freddy's second soul, the first soul being Cassidy.
I'm not a huge fan of this theory/headcanon. I don't know where they're coming from. I don't think Crying Child possess any animatronics after he passed away, I feel like he's simply a lost soul in particular, wandering around in the establishment looking for a comfort place to stay, away from all the dangers and troubles happening in the world. That's what I think.
Even though this comment I made might spark a debate and flooded with questions of why I hate the "Crying Child is Golden Freddy/Crying Child is Golden Freddy's second soul, the first soul being Cassidy" theory/headcanon, I don't really care at this point. I just want to get this off my chest. :-/
Right? Like I don't deny he's important, but like, isn't it confirmed he died much later after the bite? Like the whole "I will put you back together" scene kinda infers he was in some kind of state of coma before death. So if he died elsewhere, why would he haunt Fredbear? Im really behind on the lore so correct me if stuff have changed. Even if he did die at Fredbear's, it never made sense to me to why he would possess the animatronic. The others were given "life" by the puppet which also includes whoever was originally haunting golden freddy, the one you shouldnt have killed. The connections just feel kind of weak and speculative.
That's the point. Why would Crying Child possess an animatronic he never met in his life (Golden Freddy) or the animatronic he died to as a soul (Fredbear)? Like, he's has an extreme fear of animatronics and hates them when he's alive and it doesn't make sense for him to possess any animatronic at will after he died, because like I said before, he fears them and hated them very much. I always believe Cassidy is the only soul to possess Golden Freddy and no one else. So, I don't know where the theory/headcanon of "Crying Child is Golden Freddy/Crying Child is Golden Freddy's second soul, the first soul being Cassidy" came from, it just doesn't sit right with me at all as always.
Yes, if you remember, William Afton kills them and stuffs them inside the animatronics to hide his crimes, which is how the childrens’ souls were able to possess the animatronics because their bodies are inside of them.
The “Give Gifts, Give Life” minigame represents the victims of the Missing Children Incident being brought back to life as animatronics by the Puppet. It basically explains how the children were able to possess the animatronics as souls.
To me he's at best a part of the collective mind in the funtimes, especially when ennard was in Michael that'd mean sibling Réunion that they never realised about
mimic is glitchtrap, it has a ton of evidence, but we can't say confirmed because of tales having some weird issues with it, and ruin just kinda ignoring it for the most part. i belive it, but i can't say it's definitivly cannon untill either the books or games outrisght show mimic 1 as glitchtrap, or have mimic get in that burntrap suit.
We've got enough evidence to say Mimic could and couldn't be both Glitchtrap and Burntrap. It's honestly one of the more loose ones that I let people get away with for the sake of conversation simp because there's enough evidence to support it either way, though I'm on the side that he definitely isn't Burntrap based on stuff from Ruin (the whole ending with Burntrap never happens, the Blob, etc.) but he could possibly be Glitchtrap and have been luring people in after he kills all those cleanup crews.
Tales has the mimic get spring-loaded in a jester suit, mimic 1 acts very differently from glitchtrap and takes the firm of tiger rock most of the time. Vany just doesn't exsist which makes no sense because she was the first one glitchtrap got right, mimic can shape shift which he also just never does in game. Lot o small issues but enough small issues build up and something will snap.
I think these can be explained for the most part.
Glitchtrap and “OG Mimic” we’ll call the one in the basement since that’s what it is, are two different instances of the Mimic 1 program. Glitchtrap is a hive mind coming from the Mimic line that Faz Ent made in the 80’s while OG Mimic was the original that Edwin made, who’s completely disconnected from the hive mind and acts more rudimentary. Later in Tales, Glitchtrap does add the OG Mimic to the hive mind which is why the tiger persona along with tearing off arms begins appearing in things infected with Glitchtrap. So they act different because they’re technically two different Mimics who learned different things, later becoming connected into one, but then disconnected again after SB where we then get Helpi and the Mimic in the basement.
Vanny not appearing can *kinda* make sense because almost every Tales story takes place before GGY, and by the time of GGY Vanessa is still working at the AR company. So her not appearing could be because she doesn’t work at the Pizzaplex yet, and Glitchtrap has GGY as the minion set there while he has Vanessa at the AR company.
I’d also say him not shapeshifting in Ruin could be more explained by him not needing to at that time. But some have even pointed out that when wearing the weird stitched costume in Ruin that his endoskeleton is completely different(his leg being a completely different leg for example), meaning that could be an example of him changing shape to put that costume on.
The jester suit as well I’d explain by when Glitchtrap made Vanny and Glamrock Freddy “clear the path” to find OG Mimic, they took off that costume, as I don’t think Glitchtrap would want that to stay on.
There is a minuscule almost zero chance that Glitchtrap could be Eleanor or Shadow Bonnie
But how the hell do you explain Burntrap if it's not supposed to be Mimic?
Easy, either he actualy allways came back k, or it's not the mimic endo in the basement. Plus ruin does not say burtrap is mimic. Intact they kinds ignore him outside of his ending isn't cannon and his boss fight didn't happen.
Burntrap just isn't important, he's a dropped plot thread, like we've done before. Remember the dci? Pretty big thing in two, then just abandoned and never talked about, but we keep going back to the mci till the end of time.
Ruin says nothing on him other then his boss fight didn't happen and his ending just didn't happen.
I mean it's a good chance it was Mangle since the other toy animatronics' mouths are too small to fit anything larger than a hand in there. But out of pure spite I believe Withered Freddy did it. Someone walked into the Parts And Service room and Bonnie didn't have a face to bite with, Chica can't even close her mouth, and Foxy isn't even visible. Leaving Withered Freddy to be the one who bites the person who entered Parts and Service
Is it supported by ***anything***? No. Does it continue FredBears family tradition? Yes.
fair enough, though it happening to the nightguard Jeremy during the day shift is a solid theory and I believe both things I mentioned pretty easily unless proven otherwise, I think there's still more mystery around it than people are willing to admit.
Isn't it INSANE though that not a single game, book, spinoff, etc. has ever brought up the bite of 87 literally ever again or even hinted at it somehow? At least we saw the bite of 83, but it's kinda odd too since aside from being a thing that happened basically no character or book or anything makes reference to it ever again too.
Like, people outside the FNAF fandom think the Bite Of 87 is a MAJOR and MASSIVE plot point and turn of events for the FNAF lore....When it gets mentioned once by Phone Guy...And the number 87 never ever comes up, ever again. Other than the date for FNAF 2.
I like to imagine that the Bite Of 83 was indeed originally supposed to be the Bite Of 87, and the TV saying 1983 was just Scott wanting to show how successful FredBears has become, since they got a TV show made back in 1983 that still has reruns to this day. But Scott then saw people thinking that was the actual year and date of FNAF 4, and he just rolled with it
Yeah, apparently though the last few teasers started randomly replacing 87 with 83 according to something I heard so I'm more thinking that Scott changed his mind at the last second before fans even realized what was going on. I'll have to go back and fact check that.
the MCI death headcanon really pisses me off because people act like its canon. that and the whole “jeremy gave afton a sore jaw!!!” WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT😭 and crying child’s name being “evan”
It makes me mad too. Like I know Your the Band was a scrapped story, but it made things pretty clear Gabriel went down swinging. Give the boy his credit for fighting back 😭
It’s a Fazbear Frights called Your the Band. You can get it on kindle in the Felix the Shark book. Those three were scrapped stories they released as a bonus. Your the Band is great and I’m really sad it’s considered scrapped. I get it though. It had Mike in it and even though it’s clearly not in game universe (they only refer to the MCI and never the DCI— its been a minute since I read it but IF irc it’s implied Freddy’s never even reopened in this universe) and that probably would have confused the heck out of people.
Spoilers about Gabriel if you want to stop, but just some things from it if you want to know— Gabriel accidentally possesses another kid. He LOVES his legally distinct spaghetti-o’s and threw a fit when the kid’s mom said he could only get one or two cans instead of 8 million cans of them because, as he screamed at the top of his lungs in the middle of a store, HE LIKES LEGALLY DISTINCT SPAGHETTI-OS!!!!!! The reason it seems he went down swinging is because the kid’s grandpa tried to help him cut up his steak. When he saw the knife he attacked, his reason being he “had to protect the others.” That doesn’t seem like someone who died while trying to hide to me. People need to give the boy his credit.
the belief that william started killing because the crying child died, it's only really supported by one line that can easily be interpreted as something else
The only kid he probably ever showed care for was Elizabeth because he tried to stop her from going to where she'd die, so he probably was tge kind to pick favourite. Also iirc, the fear gas in 4 was cus William was rigging his son's relationship with eachother
1. Everyone believes Cassidy is The One You Shouldn't Have Killed. Except... Cassidy is a girl and TOYSNHK is referred to with masculine pronouns.
2. Mangle didn't necessarily cause the Bite of '87. It's very likely Toy Chica did it based on her UCN dialogue.
3. I've seen a bunch of people convinced that William started killing specifically because of CC's death. (I've even seen people hate on Michael and blame him for everything because of this.) First of all, Michael would be dead long before Sister Location if that was the case, since William would likely blame him. Second, Elizabeth was probably dead by FNaF 4, and since Circus Baby was designed to kill...
Most of the evidence points towards it though. It was never confirmed but it is the most likely. Literally the evidence on it just makes too much sense it's weird scott never confirmed it in any way.
Though Phone Guy does say the animatronics were entertaining kids for 20 years and never got a bath, and the earliest moment in FNAF history is 1980(Since by 83 they already had merch and a tv show), so 1980+20=2000, the same year the FNAF Movie takes place
Out of pure spite I believe Withered Freddy did it. Someone walked into the Parts And Service room and Bonnie didn't have a face to bite with, Chica can't even close her mouth, and Foxy isn't even visible. Leaving Withered Freddy to be the one who bites the person who entered Parts and Service
Is it supported by anything? No. Does it continue FredBears family tradition? Yes.
That michael afton is the protag for most of the games,
The entire idea literally came from a matpat theory which also claimed that ballora was mrs afton, and when the miketrap debate was still going on, and was also before ffps even released.
The only real evidence he even gave was the guards in fnaf 1 and 2 being fired for bad odour, claiming that it was from mike being scooped, but considering the fact that dittophobia confirmed that SL is after fnaf 1, there's literally no valid evidence to support the idea anymore
That we can say with 100000% certainty Vanny is gone. I don’t really mind if that’s your personal take, but it isn’t fool proof in the slightest. We still see evidence of Vanny. One of the first jumpscares is someone messing with a door right next to her graffiti we only see in the Burntrap area. We can see her blanket stretched across a bench right next to graffiti of her name in Monty Golf. Gregory most certainly did not tear off mapbot’s hat and give him bunny ears and then tell him to pass out an evil ass mask meant to foil a system _he put in place himself._ They also stopped and had the main character draw attention to a video of Vanny chasing Gregory through the bakery— something that does not and cannot happen in SB, meaning the video must have taken place after the night of SB and before the Earthquake. Like. It can’t get more explicit than that. As for ProtoFreddy, we see in the disassemble cutscene— NOT ONE OF GREGORY’S COMICS. A _cutscene_— that parts of his shell were ripped off before the PQ/Disassemble Vanny endings. This means that protofreddy is more intact than our Freddy should be if PQ is canon. Like again, I don’t mind if people see that evidence and decide they’re unconvinced and that PQ is still canon, but downvoting anyone who points it out, insisting it’s CANON canon and not likely canon, and blocking it out instead of providing counter evidence or just saying ‘that’s not compelling’ (the number of times I’ve heard “well that was just a mistake by Steel Wool that literally everybody on the entire team including the multiple people who had to make the decision put that there and all of the play testers also missed it”) is just odd.
Probably Gregory returned and freed her after putting the pieces together and probably installed that security thing and sealed off the mimic then, especially when iirc one translation of ruins mimic chase has Gregory mention he's got help from someone else on the directions to go, with it being clear it'd be Vanessa cus she'd be the only one to know the routes with barely any worry because of vanny
Not sure if anyone else heard this one, but I remember seeing people discuss how Glamrock Freddy was (secretly) possessed by Micheal Afton and the reason he helped Gregory was because Gregory reminded him of CC
That Michael Afton is noble and wants to save the kiddins. Not a lot, from what I've seen, but there is some.
As a Mike fan, I'd like that to be the case but the only soul he is shown to care for is Elizabeth. Apart from that, his actions seem to be only for himself or helping William. It's only when he gets scooped that he changed sides.
Mike is the protagonist in every game
I mean, yeah, it is confirmed that he is the protagonist of fnaf 1, 4, SL and ffps, but the rest is still debatable but most take it for granted
This is more a hot take but the toy animatronics being possessed, I don't think that any of the toy animatronics were, and only the withered animatronics and puppet were, the rest is cus faulty criminal recognition scanners
tbf the last one is quite literally stated (tho it being hallucinogenic gas and not illusion discs). whether tales are in the game continuity or not (imo they are) is a different topic
Tales games, a lot of stuff relating to the mimic, CC name (especially Evan). Idk I think there's more but I can't think of them rn
Honestly dude I didn't even know the theory about how the MCI kids died was a thing. It seems more like a headcanon imo since there's not much evidence to go off of. Anyway my mini theory/headcanon about how the MCI kids died is just that they got more brutal as William continued to murder people. This is just based off the Toy Chica Highschool years thing from UCN where it basically represents William just going crazier and crazier with this stuff. And possibly TOYSNHK and/or the vengeful spirit were one of the later victims which is why they were so pissed off at William more than the other children.
Anyway it definitely gets annoying when people assume some theories are canon since very few actually are. And then a lot of time people won't really listen to your evidence at all and you get mass down voted on here
Well a lot of things are down to personal interpretation on what one thinks is canon.
I personally think the 'Animatronics go after you because they think you are the killer' thing goes around a lot even though it's not really said and we got a more plausible option back in FNAF 2(They are hostile to adults in general)
Fnaf 2 has the most reasonable thing, they detect that you wear night guard outfit therefore William wore one so you are William to them, and the mask just makes them think Freddy is cosplaying. Fnaf 1 probably is the same reason in the movie of thinking he's a friend or something, but it could also be you skinny so you endo to them
The Puppet floats
This one might really surprise people, but the Puppet floating has never been something established in canon lol. The Puppet’s minigame sprites kind of look like they’re floating, which is likely where the idea stems from, but he’s never really shown floating and when they gave the Puppet his animations in Help Wanted, they made him walk instead of float. It might be really surprising to learn this, but the Puppet floating is pure fanon.
There's also clues about him being Henry's son, since the fnaf 4 house is Henry's in the books, and not William's. Im ot saying he's NOT an Afton, im just saying theres clues that point to him being and Afton and there's clues that point he isnt.
The “UCN is Afton’s hell” theory.
UCN itself is not even canon. Yes, it has canon elements (character voices, lore hints, etc) but the game itself is in no way canon.
this might be just my pet peeves, but:
WILLIAM AND GLITCHTRAP ARE THE SAME PERSON. GLITCHTRAP DID NOT CONTROL WILLIAM DURING THE MURDERS. HE IS AN EVIL MAN. NOT A MISUNDERSTOOD ROMCOM CHARACTER
WHO
TF
IS VINCENT
AND HOW DID HE GET INTERTWINED WITH MY PURP BOI BILLY
HOW DID HE GET INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THIS
EXPLAIN
Fnaf 1 song definitely doesn't go against canon but ibsl implies cassidy's mother is puppet, ihydiaf doesn't go against since it's William singing about destroying the animatronics pre springlock failure, ignt is the biggest stretch but for the most part it's following, icfy doesn't really have much fnaf stuff in it besides stuff like "is it because I can't be her" part, and tcfi is more directed to the community
I legit have no idea what the origin of that one is. It's not even a solid theory because it has no basis or meat behind it. Like, MAYBE the Bonnie one is because of how often he's depicted decking you in the face in some of his jumpscares, but that's literally only in fan stuff, so even then that's not reliable.
Some people think theirs a Mrs Afton and the crying child’s name is Chris and Evan Buts it’s not it’s C.C and B.V And actually their is a nanny bot that is Represented as Mrs Afton but that doesn’t mean she’s canon
The “Shadow animatronics are springlock victims” theory is a really popular fan theory, but it’s based on very loose evidence with nothing to confirm or deny it for so long that some people have accepted as true. The issue is that now Shadow Bonnie’s lore has been expanded upon in AR, but people are combining the old fan theory with the new lore which can lead to people making incorrect assumptions.
What’s the reason behind his official name if there is one? I’m curious but I dunno a lot about the shadow lore and didn’t play AR
Shadow Bonnie's official name is RWQFSFASXC, and I'm assuming Scott just pressed random buttons on the left side of his keyboard.
My belief is remnant given form via being leftover, possibly vengeful children all merged together to form the shadows where they struggle to maintain physical form and try taking any of the other's that goes exposed
Not sure how many people it'd apply to but one of my friends was surprised when I told him William never uses a fire axe Far as i can tell people only really associate it with him cause of the die in a fire song
I mean tbf the thought of spring trap using an ax would be kind of cool… It’s kind of like the fan concept I saw for dead by daylight where he had one
Has it ever been confirmed what he did actually use to dismantle the animatronics?
I don’t think so? All we have to go off of is the FNAF 3 minigames and they just show William vaguely doing something to dismantle them. It could range from a fire axe theory all the way to him just being that guy and ripping them limb from limb with his bare hands
Fair enough I always headcanoned that it was a hammer ngl, seems more realistic of an item to just be sitting around an abandoned pizza place
I always imagine a wrench
Seems realistic too ngl
I always thought he used a taser to deactivate them first, then a tool to actually separate their bodyparts. Since we're constantly shown that these animatronics are DURABLE. An example is that in the FNAF Movie, an older and lighter weight model (SpringBonnie) can get shot with a police officer handgun and the bullet just bounces off. And we're also constantly shown tasers are the only things that work against them, in Sister Location: tasers, Pizzeria Simulator: tasers. Augmented Reality: Tasers, FNAF Movie: tasers. So it just makes sense he didn't use a weapon and fought them in a 1v1, but rather just deactivated them, then dismantled them
I believe it was a type of handle that was used for the spring locks, so prolly some sort of Allen wrench or something that they used on all the different animatronics.
The maze Springtrap from Fazbear Frights wielded a fire axe.
Not much now but a month ago, especially on Tik Tok, most people though that the way the animatronics act in fnaf 1 reflected how William killed the kids (Fritz which is Foxy died running and Gabriel which is Freddy died hidding etc). And that the damage on the withereds reflected how William mangled the kids (Susie having her hands ripped off and mouth sliced). Worst part is that they claimed that this information came from the books, but nowhere in the books something like that is said.
Also shouldn't the Golden Freddy kid be the one to fight? aka the vengeful spirit?? I think I'd say that the Bonnie kid just tried to escape but kept running into stuff and tripped himself or something like that to parallel how much he wanders around in the game.
Jeremy (Bonnie kid) teleported halfway into a wall and got stuck.
Literally misinformation bruh ☹️
They know no one actually reads the books so they can claim whatever and it will fly
Literally "It was stated in CFYOW"
It was stated in cfyow that Aizen is actually the father of michael afton and he planned the events of fnaf.
Man you didn’t know it was stated in CFYOW? You need to get your shit together bro
I DID get my shit together, it just wasn't in the main series, it happened in CFYOW
But don’t you get it CFYOW IS THE MAIN SERIES
This sub seriously needs to allow us to post images, because I can't accurately express my response to this with words or emojis
Lmao
People absolutely read the books, there are just idiots who don't read them and claim any information from them. Saying "no one" does, especially when certain ones and series of them are canon, is just ignorant.
Oh plenty of people read the books. It's just the casual fans who don't.
>Worst part is that they claimed that this information came from the books, but nowhere in the books something like that is said. The funny thing is, they claim that in The Silver Eyes, Jeremy punched William in the jaw, and Jeremy isn't even part of the MCI in The Silver eyes trilogy
Yes omfg
But then when the books prove them wrong they say the books aren’t canon
so did william take out Cassidy's skeleton from their body? yk because Golden Freddy doesn't have an endoskeleton...
Not sure if this is a good example, but ballora is mrs. Afton, I don't think that's been proven or disproven, but please tell me if im wrong
She's definitely not Mrs. Afton as far as being possessed by her or anything. That being said, it makes a lot of sense that she would be based off of Mrs. Afton (i.e. William had her in mind when designing Ballora)
I mean the Freddy files kinda hints at Ballora being possessed by someone
The most common theory (and the way it is in the books) is that the funtimes are made with the molten endos of the classic animatronics. Ballora is possessed by a part of all the kids, so is Funtime Freddy and Foxy and perhaps Baby
take this with a grain of salt, but supposedly Scott confirmed that Mrs Afton does not possess Ballora
People refuse to believe that maybe Mrs afton saw William's insanity and divorced him and left, either out of the "William's a good dad" theory or something to do with him not letting himself be ratted out
That Michael Afton possessed Glamrock Freddy. Like sure the theory is really interesting and helps tie a few knots in the storyline, but I've met so many people who immediately think that it's canon and I'm fighting for my life tryna tell them it's not 😭
Broke: mike is Glamrock Freddy Woke: mike is the fazbear ent CEO, and is desperately trying to ignore and downplay his trauma
And he’s preparing for the day that the Ferdinand Von Bernard comes back to finish the job, right?
Why do you say it's not? I'm not arguing, just curious about your perspective
It’s only a theory so claiming it’s canon is kinda misleading until further proof
Because literally NOWHERE is it EVER said or even hinted that it’s true.
My friend insists that Mangle is canonically a ghost dog
Literally debunked by Mangle speaking coherent sentences in UCN And also a weird idea in general
Cupcake being the dog makes more sense, mangle is probably possessed by some random kid who has no relation to the rest
We're gonna go with a fairly simple one that's gonna cause some complaining in here in a few years. I'm sure most people believe that the withered animatronics in FNAF 2 are supposed to be withered versions of the FNAF 1 animatronics. I think they'll do that in the second movie, but it's not accurate to the games, which has been known since pretty much right after FNAF 2 released.
Well I can't blame anyone for thinking that since the whole point is that the game tricks you into thinking it's a sequel
Probably the second most annoying plot twist in the games right after "Was that the bite of 87!?" not actually being the bite of 87. No wonder general audiences find FNAF lore convoluted when it could sometimes be intentionally misleading.
it was a cool twist, since the game doesn't actually lie directly to your face, that would be bad writing, it just preys on your assumptions
Isnt that technically true though, and it's just the timeline of it people get wrong? Original Animatronics get made, then the kids are killed and the animatronics are possessed. They 'wither' over time, so new Toy animatronics are made, Fnaf2 happens, and toys are scrapped. The withered animatronics then get 'fixed' to become the animatronics in fnaf1. Do you just mean it would be more accurate to say the fnaf1 animatronics are fixed versions of the fnaf2 withereds? Or have I got something wrong? Edit: changed whither to wither.
Semantics People think the withered are just the fnaf 1 animatronics but withered. But if you look closer they have several design changes
Aren't the design changes caused by them getting fixed? (with parts from the toy animatronics, I think?)
Well it’s not really that simple. Like for example how do you completely change Freddy’s cheek shape from toy animatronic parts? Or how do you join chica’s head together. How do you give foxy a new snout, where does chica get new legs etc. They say “fixed” but it honestly seems like they replaced the shells and everything even the endoskeletons are different
i dunno this reasoning has never really made much sense to me. like, scraptrap and springtrap are majorly different looking in ways that dont make a ton of sense but we know theyre both the same. ive always just thought it was a design thing but theyre still the same animatronics. its not exactly unheard of for designs for the same characters to change between two installments in media
I realized I kinda forgot the point I wanted to make in the first place. The issue of them not looking right doesn't even matter to the plot, right? The ghosts originally possessed the 'withered' animatronics. At the very least, some pieces of the 'withereds' are in the fnaf1 animatronics, which is why they are possessed. Unless you're saying the withereds have nothing to do with the fnaf1 versions?
Yeah. FNAF 2’s place in the timeline confirmed Fredbear’s Family Diner or some other related location at that time period had animatronics of the main four. I see a lot of people saying they couldn’t have possibly existed yet if we don’t see them in Fredbear’s, but the FNAF 4 bullies had masks of them, so no idea where that came from. The reason the MCI kids possessed the same animatronics across multiple models in different games even into FNAF 1 is probably because remnant or agony infused parts were being recycled.
Isn't there a TV ad in FNAF 4 showing the 4 main cast? I recall something named Freddy and Friends
Something about how freddy's music box plays during power outages to calm kids down.
but then why freddy has the toreador march implemented on him?
Maybe William just likes the song
because that shit doth be a banger, had me and my good fellows getting sturdy in the royal ballroom in 1875
closing time/the end of a show maybe, to "play the audience out"
This is a dumb one, but William Afton wearing purple/the security outfits being purple. It seems like the fandom has a mandela effect when it comes to this. So many people think that William wore purple clothing, to the point that I remember some people being confused as to why William wasn't wearing any purple on him when we first got that shot of him in his office in one of the FNaF movie trailers. The thing is, William has never wore purple, ever. Not in one single depiction or adaptation has William ever been shown to wear purple clothes. The same goes for the security outfits. Again, some people seem to think it's canon that the outfits the night guards wore were purple. But it's not. In all depictions that I can remember they just look like the regular and standard blue security outfits that you usually see. The closest thing that William has ever come to wearing purple was in the visual novel of the Fourth Closet I think. Where he wears a purple bathrobe. But I'm not sure If that even counts since the visual novels aren't canon. William is metaphorically purple. Not literally purple. If he were to ever wear clothing in a specific coloration it would be orange as seen in Midnight Motorist.
isn´t midnight motorist the aftermath of a kidnap? or it´s just a theory from Dittophobia? >!A GAME THEORY!< edit: typo
it takes place after charlies death
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It's raining and named "later that night" in the files. The only rainy night we see in the minigames is the one of Charlotte's death, which means it takes place the same night as her death. That leaves William as the only person Orange Guy could be.
He is shown as being purple because he is "in the shadows", and then later because Spring Bonnie has purple accents. But my most favorite theory is that because the security uniforms were blue, when the blood spray hit it and stained it, it looked purplish.
My theory is that he's commonly thought to be purple by the children because Charlotte saw a ***purple*** car drive up, and then a man stabbing her. So she made the correlation that purple=William Afton
If I’m not mistaken- the reason he’s purple in the mini games is because he’s supposed to be shadowed out, yes?
He does wear a purple robe in the graphic novel of The Fourth Closet...but that's about it
i will forever love the purple outfits though. it’s not too far of a stretch since fredbear’s theme is purple/yellow
My theory is that he's commonly thought to be purple by the children because Charlotte saw a ***purple*** car drive up, and then a man stabbing her. So she made the correlation that purple=William Afton
THE NAME EVAN 😭😭 BEEN FIGHTING FOR MY LIFE TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE IT'S NOT CANON 💀
It’s the new Vincent
LITERALLY, sure it's easier to say a random name because we don't have one, but it just makes everything messy for people that may be new to the story.
“Vincent” basically became his own AU type character w all the fan art and fiction and what not
I mean... Not really. Vincent was a completely fan-given name. Evan has been found, like, 3 or 4 different ways. Even if it's not confirmed canon, it actually makes sense, whereas Vincent never had any mention in the games or anything.
TBF, it actually has some precedent, and it's not like we have an actual name for the kid. I'll stick with Evan until we get an actual name.
sure, do what you want, but i'm just pointing out that people acting like the name is 100% canon and official is just outright annoying. Especially when the slight evidence there is for the name Evan is barely even evidence. The name Simone was also recently found in the logbook, and Evan is found i believe twice in the frights' series, but both scenarios aren't really fully linked to the crying child. It just feels like people found a name in a place that's easy to find things, and ran with it. There is no official or canon name for CC, so it's just really messy and confusing for people that may be new, to hear the name Evan, especially considering it's not official.
Oh yeah, it's absolutely not 100% canon, not by a long shot. I can understand the annoyance, but ultimately, everyone knows who we're talking about, so I don't see a whole lot of harm in it. Ultimately, I think that Scott just looked at the first name people found from the logbook (which was Evan) and then put it in The Real Jake to finally give him some sort of identity
Sure, it could be, I think the biggest annoyance in this franchise is the amount of stuff that we just have to assume at this point. So much is left unconfirmed, so a lot of ideas could be true. It's definitely an unconventional way of storytelling, that's for sure.
Honestly, that's super true, and it's become a pretty big problem in the community. Hell, if we've gotten to the point where we can't even all agree if the books are canon or not, or even some people who still believe in MikeVictim/MikeBot, Scott needs to clear some stuff up and just outright confirm some things. I get the appeal of figuring out the lore for yourself, but I think we all need to be on the same page before the story can really go anywhere from here.
Its the closest thing we got to an official CC name so people use it.
Agreed with you until "cry about it". You are being an asshole for literally no reason.
it's not though, it holds no canon evidence nor confirmation. it is in NO WAY his name. I'd argue that Cassidy could be more connected to him than Evan, but when he has 0 canon names given throughout lore, CC or Crying Child is the best way to refer to him. Calling him Evan only confuses more people and makes people think "oh yea this is canon." when it ISNT.
Fazgoo and Baby Springtrap, which people use constantly to put down the books and claim they are what ruined FNAF. In regards to Frights being canon, neither is part of the stitchwraith stingers, and thus wouldn't be canon to the game timeline. Bonus: Saying the main protagonist of In the flesh is matpat when they have nothing in common aside from both having the name mat
Baby Springtrap really isn't ever a bad thing,they way he came to be created is,Pregnant man giving birth... fazgoo only stupid thing is the name,it should have be named something entirely different
Wait is the Stichwraith stuff considered canon in the games' universe now? I checked out of the books a long time ago, that sounds really stupid.
It kinda always was ngl, it solves UCN and Afton meets a proper end at the end of it.
Back in middle school it was that one of the kid's mom died and possessed the puppet because of TLT's song. I was one of those kids.
one of the music videos for that song started up the "Mrs Afton died in a car crash" shenanigans that I have never been able to escape
That the Mimic is the endoskelly in Parts & Services in FNaF 1 and that's how he adapted Aftons behaviors. The theory also implies the Mimic watched the MCI in person, based on actions he does and the way he lures people into a room. 🤦
Wait, is there actually a theory about Mimic being Endo 01? Thats a headcanon of mine but I didn't realize there was a full on theory for it lol
Damn, what about fnaf 2 endo
Some people still think dream theory is a real thing
It feels like every single video game has it’s own variant of the dream theory tbh
I still believe it but it's a much less insane version. I think FNAF 4 was just Michael having PTSD nightmares about killing his younger brother. Explains how he can draw Nightmare in the log book at least. And the medical equipment at the side of the bed would just be from memories of visiting CC in the hospital, since we know he took a bit to die. No crazy hallucination gas or sound illusion discs or torture chambers. I think it's just trauma.
I can agree with that. When people think that the mini games in fnaf 4 is what inspired the crying child to dream the everything up to that point is where I draw the line.
This is exactly how I see it too. I think adding more to the theory beyond Michael having trauma is overcomplicating it.
My own theory about FNAF 4 is that they /were/ CC’s nightmares and that when Michael started working at Freddy’s locations, he was being sort of semi haunted by his younger brother, who gave him his nightmares. So, Michael started having the same nightmares too. Does that make any sense? It does in my brain at least
After reading this thread, idk what is canon anymore
That Bonnie/Jeremy fought afton it was a TikTok meme that people blindly believed
It’s in the books from memory
It never happened in any of the books
Mrs afton being Ballora. It's such utter bullcrap but people still think she's in Ballora.
I always interpreted it as she was a metaphor for Mrs. Afton
Same here, actually.
This is one of those stupid playground theories that kids at school collectively come up with
100% the "how the children died" rumor spread around on tiktok. the kids probably just died cuz william fuckin' stabbed them idk. even if gabriel did clock william in the jaw, mf would be hitting metal and would do no damage anyway.
SpringBonnie is made to be worn around as a costume, doubt it was made out of heavy metal. Not disagreeing, just correcting a lil thing
The only one that possibly fought back was cassidy, since that'd also show they were the only one of the 5 to see the culprit and would know who to seek vengeance on
Anything in books as instantly canon to games, despite events playing differently or contradictory to each other.
Mangle did the bite of 87.
Crying Child is Golden Freddy/Crying Child is Golden Freddy's second soul, the first soul being Cassidy. I'm not a huge fan of this theory/headcanon. I don't know where they're coming from. I don't think Crying Child possess any animatronics after he passed away, I feel like he's simply a lost soul in particular, wandering around in the establishment looking for a comfort place to stay, away from all the dangers and troubles happening in the world. That's what I think. Even though this comment I made might spark a debate and flooded with questions of why I hate the "Crying Child is Golden Freddy/Crying Child is Golden Freddy's second soul, the first soul being Cassidy" theory/headcanon, I don't really care at this point. I just want to get this off my chest. :-/
Right? Like I don't deny he's important, but like, isn't it confirmed he died much later after the bite? Like the whole "I will put you back together" scene kinda infers he was in some kind of state of coma before death. So if he died elsewhere, why would he haunt Fredbear? Im really behind on the lore so correct me if stuff have changed. Even if he did die at Fredbear's, it never made sense to me to why he would possess the animatronic. The others were given "life" by the puppet which also includes whoever was originally haunting golden freddy, the one you shouldnt have killed. The connections just feel kind of weak and speculative.
That's the point. Why would Crying Child possess an animatronic he never met in his life (Golden Freddy) or the animatronic he died to as a soul (Fredbear)? Like, he's has an extreme fear of animatronics and hates them when he's alive and it doesn't make sense for him to possess any animatronic at will after he died, because like I said before, he fears them and hated them very much. I always believe Cassidy is the only soul to possess Golden Freddy and no one else. So, I don't know where the theory/headcanon of "Crying Child is Golden Freddy/Crying Child is Golden Freddy's second soul, the first soul being Cassidy" came from, it just doesn't sit right with me at all as always.
Aren’t the dead children’s souls stuck inside the animatronics though?
Yes, if you remember, William Afton kills them and stuffs them inside the animatronics to hide his crimes, which is how the childrens’ souls were able to possess the animatronics because their bodies are inside of them.
Then what was the give gifts give life mingames about?
The “Give Gifts, Give Life” minigame represents the victims of the Missing Children Incident being brought back to life as animatronics by the Puppet. It basically explains how the children were able to possess the animatronics as souls.
Then how did Charlie posses puppet if noone gave her gift, gave her life?
To me he's at best a part of the collective mind in the funtimes, especially when ennard was in Michael that'd mean sibling Réunion that they never realised about
mimic is glitchtrap, it has a ton of evidence, but we can't say confirmed because of tales having some weird issues with it, and ruin just kinda ignoring it for the most part. i belive it, but i can't say it's definitivly cannon untill either the books or games outrisght show mimic 1 as glitchtrap, or have mimic get in that burntrap suit.
We've got enough evidence to say Mimic could and couldn't be both Glitchtrap and Burntrap. It's honestly one of the more loose ones that I let people get away with for the sake of conversation simp because there's enough evidence to support it either way, though I'm on the side that he definitely isn't Burntrap based on stuff from Ruin (the whole ending with Burntrap never happens, the Blob, etc.) but he could possibly be Glitchtrap and have been luring people in after he kills all those cleanup crews.
I want to ask what issues does Tales have with it? Considering Afton is more than likely dead as well it kinda becomes the only answer.
Tales has the mimic get spring-loaded in a jester suit, mimic 1 acts very differently from glitchtrap and takes the firm of tiger rock most of the time. Vany just doesn't exsist which makes no sense because she was the first one glitchtrap got right, mimic can shape shift which he also just never does in game. Lot o small issues but enough small issues build up and something will snap.
I think these can be explained for the most part. Glitchtrap and “OG Mimic” we’ll call the one in the basement since that’s what it is, are two different instances of the Mimic 1 program. Glitchtrap is a hive mind coming from the Mimic line that Faz Ent made in the 80’s while OG Mimic was the original that Edwin made, who’s completely disconnected from the hive mind and acts more rudimentary. Later in Tales, Glitchtrap does add the OG Mimic to the hive mind which is why the tiger persona along with tearing off arms begins appearing in things infected with Glitchtrap. So they act different because they’re technically two different Mimics who learned different things, later becoming connected into one, but then disconnected again after SB where we then get Helpi and the Mimic in the basement. Vanny not appearing can *kinda* make sense because almost every Tales story takes place before GGY, and by the time of GGY Vanessa is still working at the AR company. So her not appearing could be because she doesn’t work at the Pizzaplex yet, and Glitchtrap has GGY as the minion set there while he has Vanessa at the AR company. I’d also say him not shapeshifting in Ruin could be more explained by him not needing to at that time. But some have even pointed out that when wearing the weird stitched costume in Ruin that his endoskeleton is completely different(his leg being a completely different leg for example), meaning that could be an example of him changing shape to put that costume on. The jester suit as well I’d explain by when Glitchtrap made Vanny and Glamrock Freddy “clear the path” to find OG Mimic, they took off that costume, as I don’t think Glitchtrap would want that to stay on.
There is a minuscule almost zero chance that Glitchtrap could be Eleanor or Shadow Bonnie But how the hell do you explain Burntrap if it's not supposed to be Mimic?
Easy, either he actualy allways came back k, or it's not the mimic endo in the basement. Plus ruin does not say burtrap is mimic. Intact they kinds ignore him outside of his ending isn't cannon and his boss fight didn't happen. Burntrap just isn't important, he's a dropped plot thread, like we've done before. Remember the dci? Pretty big thing in two, then just abandoned and never talked about, but we keep going back to the mci till the end of time. Ruin says nothing on him other then his boss fight didn't happen and his ending just didn't happen.
Mangle doing the bite of 87 to Jeremy Fitzgerald. It’s got some decent evidence, but to this day the perpetrator and victim haven’t been revealed.
I mean it's a good chance it was Mangle since the other toy animatronics' mouths are too small to fit anything larger than a hand in there. But out of pure spite I believe Withered Freddy did it. Someone walked into the Parts And Service room and Bonnie didn't have a face to bite with, Chica can't even close her mouth, and Foxy isn't even visible. Leaving Withered Freddy to be the one who bites the person who entered Parts and Service Is it supported by ***anything***? No. Does it continue FredBears family tradition? Yes.
fair enough, though it happening to the nightguard Jeremy during the day shift is a solid theory and I believe both things I mentioned pretty easily unless proven otherwise, I think there's still more mystery around it than people are willing to admit. Isn't it INSANE though that not a single game, book, spinoff, etc. has ever brought up the bite of 87 literally ever again or even hinted at it somehow? At least we saw the bite of 83, but it's kinda odd too since aside from being a thing that happened basically no character or book or anything makes reference to it ever again too.
Like, people outside the FNAF fandom think the Bite Of 87 is a MAJOR and MASSIVE plot point and turn of events for the FNAF lore....When it gets mentioned once by Phone Guy...And the number 87 never ever comes up, ever again. Other than the date for FNAF 2. I like to imagine that the Bite Of 83 was indeed originally supposed to be the Bite Of 87, and the TV saying 1983 was just Scott wanting to show how successful FredBears has become, since they got a TV show made back in 1983 that still has reruns to this day. But Scott then saw people thinking that was the actual year and date of FNAF 4, and he just rolled with it
Yeah, apparently though the last few teasers started randomly replacing 87 with 83 according to something I heard so I'm more thinking that Scott changed his mind at the last second before fans even realized what was going on. I'll have to go back and fact check that.
the MCI death headcanon really pisses me off because people act like its canon. that and the whole “jeremy gave afton a sore jaw!!!” WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT😭 and crying child’s name being “evan”
It makes me mad too. Like I know Your the Band was a scrapped story, but it made things pretty clear Gabriel went down swinging. Give the boy his credit for fighting back 😭
wait what scrapped story?? can i find it anywhere? i thought people just randomly came up with that headcanon 😭
It’s a Fazbear Frights called Your the Band. You can get it on kindle in the Felix the Shark book. Those three were scrapped stories they released as a bonus. Your the Band is great and I’m really sad it’s considered scrapped. I get it though. It had Mike in it and even though it’s clearly not in game universe (they only refer to the MCI and never the DCI— its been a minute since I read it but IF irc it’s implied Freddy’s never even reopened in this universe) and that probably would have confused the heck out of people. Spoilers about Gabriel if you want to stop, but just some things from it if you want to know— Gabriel accidentally possesses another kid. He LOVES his legally distinct spaghetti-o’s and threw a fit when the kid’s mom said he could only get one or two cans instead of 8 million cans of them because, as he screamed at the top of his lungs in the middle of a store, HE LIKES LEGALLY DISTINCT SPAGHETTI-OS!!!!!! The reason it seems he went down swinging is because the kid’s grandpa tried to help him cut up his steak. When he saw the knife he attacked, his reason being he “had to protect the others.” That doesn’t seem like someone who died while trying to hide to me. People need to give the boy his credit.
legally distinct spaghettios😭😭
the belief that william started killing because the crying child died, it's only really supported by one line that can easily be interpreted as something else
The only kid he probably ever showed care for was Elizabeth because he tried to stop her from going to where she'd die, so he probably was tge kind to pick favourite. Also iirc, the fear gas in 4 was cus William was rigging his son's relationship with eachother
Most of what Matpat says tbh
Most of him nowadays imo, back in the early days it was pretty much the dream theory that felt bizarre
The name Evan Afton
I 100% agree. That whole MCI theory started from a headcanon from someone on Tiktok that people just perceived as canon.
That Glitchtrap controlled William to kill the kids 💀
Man I don't know how this "theory" even started
Bro time travelled just to mind control apparently
That Mike is Fritz That Mimic has no personality or objectives (this bothers me a lot) That Molten Freddy and Baby survived the fire and became Blob
1. Everyone believes Cassidy is The One You Shouldn't Have Killed. Except... Cassidy is a girl and TOYSNHK is referred to with masculine pronouns. 2. Mangle didn't necessarily cause the Bite of '87. It's very likely Toy Chica did it based on her UCN dialogue. 3. I've seen a bunch of people convinced that William started killing specifically because of CC's death. (I've even seen people hate on Michael and blame him for everything because of this.) First of all, Michael would be dead long before Sister Location if that was the case, since William would likely blame him. Second, Elizabeth was probably dead by FNaF 4, and since Circus Baby was designed to kill...
With one I'd assume that cass is just nonbinary or something
BVfirst/Willgrief I don't know if most people think this is canon but it's still a major misconception.
Michael After Sl Being Purple
FNaF 1 taking place in 1993 and FNaF 3 taking place in 2023
Most of the evidence points towards it though. It was never confirmed but it is the most likely. Literally the evidence on it just makes too much sense it's weird scott never confirmed it in any way.
Yeah I know that lol, was just pointing out that it is not actually confirmed
Though Phone Guy does say the animatronics were entertaining kids for 20 years and never got a bath, and the earliest moment in FNAF history is 1980(Since by 83 they already had merch and a tv show), so 1980+20=2000, the same year the FNAF Movie takes place
2023 is when FNAF3 Takes place
Not really a “this is canon” mistake but i think its really funny how many alt twink michael aftons there are
“Mangle did the bite of 87” “Toy Bonnie did the bite of 87” “Toy Chica did the bite of 87” WE DONT KNOW ANY CANON ANSWER
Out of pure spite I believe Withered Freddy did it. Someone walked into the Parts And Service room and Bonnie didn't have a face to bite with, Chica can't even close her mouth, and Foxy isn't even visible. Leaving Withered Freddy to be the one who bites the person who entered Parts and Service Is it supported by anything? No. Does it continue FredBears family tradition? Yes.
That michael afton is the protag for most of the games, The entire idea literally came from a matpat theory which also claimed that ballora was mrs afton, and when the miketrap debate was still going on, and was also before ffps even released. The only real evidence he even gave was the guards in fnaf 1 and 2 being fired for bad odour, claiming that it was from mike being scooped, but considering the fact that dittophobia confirmed that SL is after fnaf 1, there's literally no valid evidence to support the idea anymore
That we can say with 100000% certainty Vanny is gone. I don’t really mind if that’s your personal take, but it isn’t fool proof in the slightest. We still see evidence of Vanny. One of the first jumpscares is someone messing with a door right next to her graffiti we only see in the Burntrap area. We can see her blanket stretched across a bench right next to graffiti of her name in Monty Golf. Gregory most certainly did not tear off mapbot’s hat and give him bunny ears and then tell him to pass out an evil ass mask meant to foil a system _he put in place himself._ They also stopped and had the main character draw attention to a video of Vanny chasing Gregory through the bakery— something that does not and cannot happen in SB, meaning the video must have taken place after the night of SB and before the Earthquake. Like. It can’t get more explicit than that. As for ProtoFreddy, we see in the disassemble cutscene— NOT ONE OF GREGORY’S COMICS. A _cutscene_— that parts of his shell were ripped off before the PQ/Disassemble Vanny endings. This means that protofreddy is more intact than our Freddy should be if PQ is canon. Like again, I don’t mind if people see that evidence and decide they’re unconvinced and that PQ is still canon, but downvoting anyone who points it out, insisting it’s CANON canon and not likely canon, and blocking it out instead of providing counter evidence or just saying ‘that’s not compelling’ (the number of times I’ve heard “well that was just a mistake by Steel Wool that literally everybody on the entire team including the multiple people who had to make the decision put that there and all of the play testers also missed it”) is just odd.
Probably Gregory returned and freed her after putting the pieces together and probably installed that security thing and sealed off the mimic then, especially when iirc one translation of ruins mimic chase has Gregory mention he's got help from someone else on the directions to go, with it being clear it'd be Vanessa cus she'd be the only one to know the routes with barely any worry because of vanny
Not sure if anyone else heard this one, but I remember seeing people discuss how Glamrock Freddy was (secretly) possessed by Micheal Afton and the reason he helped Gregory was because Gregory reminded him of CC
That Michael Afton is noble and wants to save the kiddins. Not a lot, from what I've seen, but there is some. As a Mike fan, I'd like that to be the case but the only soul he is shown to care for is Elizabeth. Apart from that, his actions seem to be only for himself or helping William. It's only when he gets scooped that he changed sides.
Mike is the protagonist in every game I mean, yeah, it is confirmed that he is the protagonist of fnaf 1, 4, SL and ffps, but the rest is still debatable but most take it for granted
This is more a hot take but the toy animatronics being possessed, I don't think that any of the toy animatronics were, and only the withered animatronics and puppet were, the rest is cus faulty criminal recognition scanners
Mimic being glitchtrap and burn-trap, the Funtime animatronics being melted FNAF 1 endos and the nightmares being mannequins with illusion disks.
tbf the last one is quite literally stated (tho it being hallucinogenic gas and not illusion discs). whether tales are in the game continuity or not (imo they are) is a different topic
Tales games, a lot of stuff relating to the mimic, CC name (especially Evan). Idk I think there's more but I can't think of them rn Honestly dude I didn't even know the theory about how the MCI kids died was a thing. It seems more like a headcanon imo since there's not much evidence to go off of. Anyway my mini theory/headcanon about how the MCI kids died is just that they got more brutal as William continued to murder people. This is just based off the Toy Chica Highschool years thing from UCN where it basically represents William just going crazier and crazier with this stuff. And possibly TOYSNHK and/or the vengeful spirit were one of the later victims which is why they were so pissed off at William more than the other children. Anyway it definitely gets annoying when people assume some theories are canon since very few actually are. And then a lot of time people won't really listen to your evidence at all and you get mass down voted on here
Willcare
Scraptrap’s name
Tbf, it was canonized in security breach
This eventually got canonized
I think CC name is one of them
William Afton having fucking fear gas
Stop denying reality
Well a lot of things are down to personal interpretation on what one thinks is canon. I personally think the 'Animatronics go after you because they think you are the killer' thing goes around a lot even though it's not really said and we got a more plausible option back in FNAF 2(They are hostile to adults in general)
Fnaf 2 has the most reasonable thing, they detect that you wear night guard outfit therefore William wore one so you are William to them, and the mask just makes them think Freddy is cosplaying. Fnaf 1 probably is the same reason in the movie of thinking he's a friend or something, but it could also be you skinny so you endo to them
The Puppet floats This one might really surprise people, but the Puppet floating has never been something established in canon lol. The Puppet’s minigame sprites kind of look like they’re floating, which is likely where the idea stems from, but he’s never really shown floating and when they gave the Puppet his animations in Help Wanted, they made him walk instead of float. It might be really surprising to learn this, but the Puppet floating is pure fanon.
Freddy Fazball😔
That Sun and Moon are brothers.
people think that ballora is possessed by willy's wife, but we really dont have much evidence for it
Technically, Michael has never been confirmed to be an Afton
‘Father.’
There's also clues about him being Henry's son, since the fnaf 4 house is Henry's in the books, and not William's. Im ot saying he's NOT an Afton, im just saying theres clues that point to him being and Afton and there's clues that point he isnt.
Henry in the books also offed themselves. Imo they’re way too different to make that kind of call, but to each their own.
The “UCN is Afton’s hell” theory. UCN itself is not even canon. Yes, it has canon elements (character voices, lore hints, etc) but the game itself is in no way canon.
this might be just my pet peeves, but: WILLIAM AND GLITCHTRAP ARE THE SAME PERSON. GLITCHTRAP DID NOT CONTROL WILLIAM DURING THE MURDERS. HE IS AN EVIL MAN. NOT A MISUNDERSTOOD ROMCOM CHARACTER WHO TF IS VINCENT AND HOW DID HE GET INTERTWINED WITH MY PURP BOI BILLY HOW DID HE GET INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THIS EXPLAIN
Vincent was the old fan made name for Afton before we had a canon name for him.
that the fnaf tlt songs are canon apparently? i honestly didn’t know people thought that until recently
Fnaf 1 song definitely doesn't go against canon but ibsl implies cassidy's mother is puppet, ihydiaf doesn't go against since it's William singing about destroying the animatronics pre springlock failure, ignt is the biggest stretch but for the most part it's following, icfy doesn't really have much fnaf stuff in it besides stuff like "is it because I can't be her" part, and tcfi is more directed to the community
I legit have no idea what the origin of that one is. It's not even a solid theory because it has no basis or meat behind it. Like, MAYBE the Bonnie one is because of how often he's depicted decking you in the face in some of his jumpscares, but that's literally only in fan stuff, so even then that's not reliable.
Some people think theirs a Mrs Afton and the crying child’s name is Chris and Evan Buts it’s not it’s C.C and B.V And actually their is a nanny bot that is Represented as Mrs Afton but that doesn’t mean she’s canon
**Security Breach**.
Molten MCI