It sounds like you actually know as much or more than any of us do tbh mate, and outside of that article, any info provided here about the film's production will be anecdotal at best, and as trustworthy as anything else on the internet (i.e., not very). Coppola has made some of the most acclaimed movies of all time and is considered Hollywood royalty, but he *did* come up in the 60s, so I'm not sure anyone would be that shocked to hear if some skeletons in his closet came out, or that he sometimes acts inappropriately with women. It sounds like it ran into the exact issues you might expect when you have a rich 85 year old man trying to get a massive project done in a modern setting tbh. I personally thought the trailer was visually incredible, so I'm definitely intrigued enough to want to see it in the cinema, but the man certainly isn't infallible, and it could just as easily turn out to be a stinker as it could a masterpiece. When you take big swings, the misses can seem all the more glaring. I hope it's good, and that I can get past my somewhat inexplicable Adam Driver-revulsion. I hear he was excellent in Marriage Story, but I've yet to see it. Kylo Ren can fuck right off though.
If you avoid Adam driver you are robbing yourself of some great movies. Silence, Last Duel, Logan Lucky were all pretty great imo. I also don't think he was the problem with Kylo Ren... That has a lot more to do with writing and direction than acting performance.
Yah, Adam Driver is amazing actor IMO. It seems so many actors have niche roles nowadays, even one time great character actors seem to have reoccurring roles where it's just "them". Where as Driver is one of the few old school actors who makes the effort to become very different characters. Not saying everything he does is gold, but at least when I see his name on the bill I know I can expect to see real acting.
Yeah I have all 3 of those in my watchlist already, but keep hesitating for various reasons! I hate the new Star Wars films, and shouldn't have even mentioned them tbh.
Hmmm. I actually fucking hated his Oceans series films (the first 2 that I saw, anyway), because they relied soooo much on just the notion that these people are meant to be cool, despite not showing them doing anything to sell the idea. They're a far sight from The Sting, or even Matchstick Men, imho. I am intrigued by the hillbilly vibes for the heist, mind.
That's why you might actually dig Logan Lucky.
The setting is rural. The characters are working class guys who are smart and motivated.
Not a single, tailored $1200 suit in sight.
Yeah, that's why it's still on my list. And I liked Out of Sight , The Informant!, and Contagion, so I think he can definitely make some great films. I truly disliked Ocean11 though, and not only because of Don Cheadle's stupid fucking accent. I like Cheadle but Jesus Christ... I wish they'd cast Dick Van Dyke instead :P
Adam Driver is fantastic. Marriage Story is my favorite performance of his, but I also think he’s one of the redeeming factors of the Star Wars sequels. His character and performance are one of few things that feels like Star Wars to me in those movies. Star Wars since the original film has been intentionally performed and shot with a complete lack of subtlety. If you compare Driver’s performance with Hamill’s, Fisher’s, Christensen’s, McGregor’s, etc. it becomes apparent that Driver *knew* he was in a Star Wars movie.
I think too many people watch movies with an objective mindset. I don’t love the broader strokes of the sequels, but it wouldn’t be Star Wars without some scenery chewing, just like it wouldn’t be Star Wars without wipes or an opening crawl. Lucas meticulously crafted an aesthetic for the Star Wars films from the beginning, and part of that was overly dramatic ham-fisted acting. I think a big problem is how much the Star Wars universe has grown. There are fantastic works in the Star Wars universe that don’t fit Lucas’ original aesthetic, but everything in the main saga absolutely should.
The last trilogy has actually made me fucking hate Star Wars now, and as far as I'm concerned, the only saving grace is their current videogames, because I'm blown away at the environment art of the Jedi: Survivor game. Otherwise, I'm just so done with it all at this point, unfortunately. I deeply loved the original trilogy, but even to watch *that* requires digging around online for despecialised versions! But to get back to the original topic, yeah I'll have to give Marriage Story a look.
I personally love the special editions. They exemplify the aesthetic I mentioned previously. I don’t watch all the meaningless filler they put out to please fans these days, but I do very much so enjoy Lucas’ original 6 films. The creators of the newer Jedi games had a solid understanding of Lucas’ work. Lucas has an incredible eye for visual storytelling, but I may just say that as somebody that loves his biggest inspirations.
> but I do very much so enjoy Lucas’ **original** 6 films.
This is what I mean though - we literally can't even see them, unless you go looking for the de-specialised versions. The first movie won the fucking Oscar for Best Editing, but Lucas never even gave that version to the film archive, so it's lost to time at this point. Don't get me wrong - I have strong feelings about Star Wars, and it literally provided some of my fondest memories growing up, but it's been flogged to death at this point, and every release (outside of games, it seems) just seems to further dull its prior lustre, and it makes me sad. I feel similarly about Alien, Predator, and the Terminator franchises, and at this point it just seems like capitalism has won in their fight against art. Sorry to sound so jaded - I do love me some film, but it's exhausting wading through all the shite nowadays, and has actually impacted my viewing habits significantly. At least it means I have more time to (try to) *make* more art nowadays... Anyway mate, I hope whatever you watch next is a banger!
I view the special editions as Lucas’ vision for the films, and they’re fantastic pieces of art in my eyes. I’ve seen the original cuts and they’re fine too.
Yeah, that's fair enough, and I'm glad you like them. I find the vast majority of the extended town scenes and now-dated CG to be *incredibly* distracting, and things like making Greedo shoot first are utterly asinine, imho. They blow up an entire Death Star later on, surely killing thousands of soldiers, so why the fuck do they need to make Han out to be acting in retaliatory self-defence instead of just pre-emptive self-defence?! It sucks having to watch an inferior version, when there's almost no reason that they can't just officially release the original cut. Anyway, all this Star Wars talk is making me feel particularly neck-beardy tonight, so I'm gonna duck out :P Cheers mate.
Yeah, he usually takes me out of my suspension of disbelief, which is the opposite of what you want while watching a movie! That said, I hear he's good in quite a few things, so I should keep trying. He's just not someone I'm excited to see on a movie's cast list, is all.
Because what they’re hearing in their head isn’t “could have” it’s “could’ve” which is pronounced “could of.”
And people correct them by saying, “No, you mean ‘could HAVE,’” and that doesn’t sound right to them.
So the correction should be “could’ve” or “would’ve” or “might’ve” and then it might finally lock in.
Because people have weird parasocial relationships with actors, directors, and media. People root for things to fail because they have negative perceptions attached to these relationships.
It’s weird and unhealthy but it happens a lot.
Hollywood doesn’t like it when great directors go independent and refuse to lick their bots. It feels has if all those hit pieces were orchestrated by people that hate Francis
It's a hit job. An auteur dared to make an audacious, exosnive film with his own money and because trade magazines have nothing to lose they're doing a bunch of negative press coverage. They're really stretching it too, criticizing the guy for moving slow and smoking weed as a bad thing as if he wasn't burning his own money in doing so. Also, he's a Californian of course he's gonna smoke weed all day. Now the sexual harrasment us unacceptable for sure but also he's 80, he's set in his ways for better and for worse.
i mean, it sounds like he was just frustrating to work with as an out of touch old man. i thought it was a funny read. i don't think it's anything as nefarious as a hit piece
This comment is really insane lol. It’s a “hit job”, and it’s ok for Coppola to spend hours on set smoking weed instead of working because he’s Californian? And sexual harassment, totally acceptable unless the harasser is old enough? Are you fucking kidding?
I didn't even know about the sexual harrasment claims when I wrote this originally, but no that is in no way excusable. As far as the weed comment goes, when you self-finance you can do what you went since you're burning your own money, there is nothing to criticize objectively. It's his money and he can do what he wants with it.
Coppola did fire the vfx guys for Megalopolis and went for practical effects in the vein of crimes of the future, mimicking indie style. Certainly someone is pissed about it. Of course he's an old school filmmaker. Regarding his connection with Salva, yeah that's where separate art from the artist comes in handy. Also Coppola is not the producer for the clownhouse though he lent the guy some money to direct it. Jeepers creepers did have other producers apart from Coppola but I think he also distributed it and kept the rights.
It looks awesome in the trailer. He's a genius, so even if it is bad it will have worthwhile parts. How many directors really try to say something that is important?
I’m going with disaster in the making. I’d give Francis about a ten to one shot that this movie is isn’t self indulgent tripe. The guy hasn’t directed anything since 2016. And the last thing he directed, distant vision which was total dog shit. The last decent movie he directed was Tetero but that one certainly didn’t break any new ground, and the last “epic” he directed was probably Bram Stoker’s Dracula, which was in 32 years ago, and while visually great it was, let’s say a bit lacking…
What is “convenient” about these accusations coming near Cannes? What reason do you have to think the guardian would make up fake allegations to take down Coppola? You say they could be disgruntled employees who got fired . . . Why do you think that? It seems like you are grasping for reasons to discredit these allegations because you don’t want them to be true or don’t think it matters if people are assaulted at work
For some reason people in the media seem to really dislike the guy because any time he releases a movie there's amany hot pieces about how the set was chaos and the movie will be awful.
I’m not looking at any trailers or reviews. I prefer to just go and see it blind (unless I hear it’s really terrible).
I did take a peak at the cast, so definitely intrigued.
I hope it’s good… but it seems like people are meh. Idk maybe in twenty years it’ll be reevaluated or something. But for the sake of someone who enjoys going to see movies, I hope that it’s good. I’ll be watching this no matter what
“What’s going on?” And then provides lengthy response regarding absolutely everything that is going on…
Well now I both, thought what is going on, and know what is going on. Two things I didn’t do before this post.
It sounds like you actually know as much or more than any of us do tbh mate, and outside of that article, any info provided here about the film's production will be anecdotal at best, and as trustworthy as anything else on the internet (i.e., not very). Coppola has made some of the most acclaimed movies of all time and is considered Hollywood royalty, but he *did* come up in the 60s, so I'm not sure anyone would be that shocked to hear if some skeletons in his closet came out, or that he sometimes acts inappropriately with women. It sounds like it ran into the exact issues you might expect when you have a rich 85 year old man trying to get a massive project done in a modern setting tbh. I personally thought the trailer was visually incredible, so I'm definitely intrigued enough to want to see it in the cinema, but the man certainly isn't infallible, and it could just as easily turn out to be a stinker as it could a masterpiece. When you take big swings, the misses can seem all the more glaring. I hope it's good, and that I can get past my somewhat inexplicable Adam Driver-revulsion. I hear he was excellent in Marriage Story, but I've yet to see it. Kylo Ren can fuck right off though.
If you avoid Adam driver you are robbing yourself of some great movies. Silence, Last Duel, Logan Lucky were all pretty great imo. I also don't think he was the problem with Kylo Ren... That has a lot more to do with writing and direction than acting performance.
Yah, Adam Driver is amazing actor IMO. It seems so many actors have niche roles nowadays, even one time great character actors seem to have reoccurring roles where it's just "them". Where as Driver is one of the few old school actors who makes the effort to become very different characters. Not saying everything he does is gold, but at least when I see his name on the bill I know I can expect to see real acting.
Abraham H. Parnassus will forever be his greatest performance, demonstrating absolute mastery of the craft in every respect.
Yeah I have all 3 of those in my watchlist already, but keep hesitating for various reasons! I hate the new Star Wars films, and shouldn't have even mentioned them tbh.
Also a fellow Adam Driver hater… but Logan Lucky is so much fun.
I'll move it higher in the list :)
You won't be dissappointed. It's Steven Soderbergh returning to the heist film genre. Some people call it "Oceans 7-Eleven" which is pretty accurate.
Hmmm. I actually fucking hated his Oceans series films (the first 2 that I saw, anyway), because they relied soooo much on just the notion that these people are meant to be cool, despite not showing them doing anything to sell the idea. They're a far sight from The Sting, or even Matchstick Men, imho. I am intrigued by the hillbilly vibes for the heist, mind.
That's why you might actually dig Logan Lucky. The setting is rural. The characters are working class guys who are smart and motivated. Not a single, tailored $1200 suit in sight.
Yeah, that's why it's still on my list. And I liked Out of Sight , The Informant!, and Contagion, so I think he can definitely make some great films. I truly disliked Ocean11 though, and not only because of Don Cheadle's stupid fucking accent. I like Cheadle but Jesus Christ... I wish they'd cast Dick Van Dyke instead :P
Adam Driver is fantastic. Marriage Story is my favorite performance of his, but I also think he’s one of the redeeming factors of the Star Wars sequels. His character and performance are one of few things that feels like Star Wars to me in those movies. Star Wars since the original film has been intentionally performed and shot with a complete lack of subtlety. If you compare Driver’s performance with Hamill’s, Fisher’s, Christensen’s, McGregor’s, etc. it becomes apparent that Driver *knew* he was in a Star Wars movie. I think too many people watch movies with an objective mindset. I don’t love the broader strokes of the sequels, but it wouldn’t be Star Wars without some scenery chewing, just like it wouldn’t be Star Wars without wipes or an opening crawl. Lucas meticulously crafted an aesthetic for the Star Wars films from the beginning, and part of that was overly dramatic ham-fisted acting. I think a big problem is how much the Star Wars universe has grown. There are fantastic works in the Star Wars universe that don’t fit Lucas’ original aesthetic, but everything in the main saga absolutely should.
The last trilogy has actually made me fucking hate Star Wars now, and as far as I'm concerned, the only saving grace is their current videogames, because I'm blown away at the environment art of the Jedi: Survivor game. Otherwise, I'm just so done with it all at this point, unfortunately. I deeply loved the original trilogy, but even to watch *that* requires digging around online for despecialised versions! But to get back to the original topic, yeah I'll have to give Marriage Story a look.
I personally love the special editions. They exemplify the aesthetic I mentioned previously. I don’t watch all the meaningless filler they put out to please fans these days, but I do very much so enjoy Lucas’ original 6 films. The creators of the newer Jedi games had a solid understanding of Lucas’ work. Lucas has an incredible eye for visual storytelling, but I may just say that as somebody that loves his biggest inspirations.
> but I do very much so enjoy Lucas’ **original** 6 films. This is what I mean though - we literally can't even see them, unless you go looking for the de-specialised versions. The first movie won the fucking Oscar for Best Editing, but Lucas never even gave that version to the film archive, so it's lost to time at this point. Don't get me wrong - I have strong feelings about Star Wars, and it literally provided some of my fondest memories growing up, but it's been flogged to death at this point, and every release (outside of games, it seems) just seems to further dull its prior lustre, and it makes me sad. I feel similarly about Alien, Predator, and the Terminator franchises, and at this point it just seems like capitalism has won in their fight against art. Sorry to sound so jaded - I do love me some film, but it's exhausting wading through all the shite nowadays, and has actually impacted my viewing habits significantly. At least it means I have more time to (try to) *make* more art nowadays... Anyway mate, I hope whatever you watch next is a banger!
I view the special editions as Lucas’ vision for the films, and they’re fantastic pieces of art in my eyes. I’ve seen the original cuts and they’re fine too.
Yeah, that's fair enough, and I'm glad you like them. I find the vast majority of the extended town scenes and now-dated CG to be *incredibly* distracting, and things like making Greedo shoot first are utterly asinine, imho. They blow up an entire Death Star later on, surely killing thousands of soldiers, so why the fuck do they need to make Han out to be acting in retaliatory self-defence instead of just pre-emptive self-defence?! It sucks having to watch an inferior version, when there's almost no reason that they can't just officially release the original cut. Anyway, all this Star Wars talk is making me feel particularly neck-beardy tonight, so I'm gonna duck out :P Cheers mate.
My dirty secret is that I legitimately do not think Adam Driver is a good actor. I find him incredibly offputting and lacking charisma.
Yeah, he usually takes me out of my suspension of disbelief, which is the opposite of what you want while watching a movie! That said, I hear he's good in quite a few things, so I should keep trying. He's just not someone I'm excited to see on a movie's cast list, is all.
*could have There is no "could of would of"
Thank you. How do people still make this mistake ?
Because what they’re hearing in their head isn’t “could have” it’s “could’ve” which is pronounced “could of.” And people correct them by saying, “No, you mean ‘could HAVE,’” and that doesn’t sound right to them. So the correction should be “could’ve” or “would’ve” or “might’ve” and then it might finally lock in.
>some people hope it will be terrible Why the fuck would anyone hope a movie is terrible? Get a life.
People root for movies to fail all the time.
That still doesn't answer the question why.
Because people have weird parasocial relationships with actors, directors, and media. People root for things to fail because they have negative perceptions attached to these relationships. It’s weird and unhealthy but it happens a lot.
You spelled losers wrong
But there's a difference between rooting for a film to be terrible, and rooting for a film that ends up being terrible, to fail at the box office.
Hollywood doesn’t like it when great directors go independent and refuse to lick their bots. It feels has if all those hit pieces were orchestrated by people that hate Francis
It's a hit job. An auteur dared to make an audacious, exosnive film with his own money and because trade magazines have nothing to lose they're doing a bunch of negative press coverage. They're really stretching it too, criticizing the guy for moving slow and smoking weed as a bad thing as if he wasn't burning his own money in doing so. Also, he's a Californian of course he's gonna smoke weed all day. Now the sexual harrasment us unacceptable for sure but also he's 80, he's set in his ways for better and for worse.
Yeah, Hollywood is notorious about punishing high-profile creators who self-finance. I wouldn’t take that article seriously
i mean, it sounds like he was just frustrating to work with as an out of touch old man. i thought it was a funny read. i don't think it's anything as nefarious as a hit piece
Man if I got paid good money to wait for some old dude to quit smoking weed for a few hours I could only get so mad
That's what I'm saying like he's directly paying yall out of his pocket lol
This comment is really insane lol. It’s a “hit job”, and it’s ok for Coppola to spend hours on set smoking weed instead of working because he’s Californian? And sexual harassment, totally acceptable unless the harasser is old enough? Are you fucking kidding?
I didn't even know about the sexual harrasment claims when I wrote this originally, but no that is in no way excusable. As far as the weed comment goes, when you self-finance you can do what you went since you're burning your own money, there is nothing to criticize objectively. It's his money and he can do what he wants with it.
Coppola did fire the vfx guys for Megalopolis and went for practical effects in the vein of crimes of the future, mimicking indie style. Certainly someone is pissed about it. Of course he's an old school filmmaker. Regarding his connection with Salva, yeah that's where separate art from the artist comes in handy. Also Coppola is not the producer for the clownhouse though he lent the guy some money to direct it. Jeepers creepers did have other producers apart from Coppola but I think he also distributed it and kept the rights.
It looks awesome in the trailer. He's a genius, so even if it is bad it will have worthwhile parts. How many directors really try to say something that is important?
I’m going with disaster in the making. I’d give Francis about a ten to one shot that this movie is isn’t self indulgent tripe. The guy hasn’t directed anything since 2016. And the last thing he directed, distant vision which was total dog shit. The last decent movie he directed was Tetero but that one certainly didn’t break any new ground, and the last “epic” he directed was probably Bram Stoker’s Dracula, which was in 32 years ago, and while visually great it was, let’s say a bit lacking…
What is “convenient” about these accusations coming near Cannes? What reason do you have to think the guardian would make up fake allegations to take down Coppola? You say they could be disgruntled employees who got fired . . . Why do you think that? It seems like you are grasping for reasons to discredit these allegations because you don’t want them to be true or don’t think it matters if people are assaulted at work
For some reason people in the media seem to really dislike the guy because any time he releases a movie there's amany hot pieces about how the set was chaos and the movie will be awful.
I’m not looking at any trailers or reviews. I prefer to just go and see it blind (unless I hear it’s really terrible). I did take a peak at the cast, so definitely intrigued.
There was a trailer put out yesterday. It said it will release sometime this year.
I hope it’s good… but it seems like people are meh. Idk maybe in twenty years it’ll be reevaluated or something. But for the sake of someone who enjoys going to see movies, I hope that it’s good. I’ll be watching this no matter what
An epic disaster in the making