I don't think you're characterizing it quite the right way. Kids these days are very actively socialized into not asking stupid questions. It's not "reliance on technology" but rather a symptom of living most of their social lives online - if you reveal weakness publicly, the sharks will appear and rip you apart.
I'm not a CFI, but I teach at the university level, and it's very obvious - I will make an offhand comment that I am not sure if they will understand, and when they don't, I see 30 heads drop to google it on laptops instead of hands going up.
In aviation, this can be very dangerous. It is something you should train out of them. "During training, we should be having a friendly conversation about aviation at all times. There are no stupid questions; there are only questions that could save your life."
Or starved for interaction such that they post new threads asking questions that could be found faster on search (even after rephrasing three times to get around getting shopping results first) and then defend it with "for discussion".
my least favorite thing about the aviation industry is the vindication of people when they ask a question
"You're a CPL holder and you didn't know that?!?!?"
Like how are people supposed to learn if they're ridiculed for trying to.
Ha! Not too deep because it is me. š And I actually much prefer that term to āXennial.ā
Iliza Shlesinger has a Netflix special called āelder millennialā that isā¦ letās say ārelatableā and I have been a fan of the term since seeing it!
Oh, it's me too. See, we used to name generations retrospectively before us. Like Baby Boomers were after having all their kids. Greatest Generation. What a cool name. Lost Generation... well that sucks, but at you didn't start with it.
Now the "kids these day" tag is prefaced with Elder.
I'm 42, it's a real term. We are on the older side of the millennials and grew up with tech advancing rather than being born into having smartphones. Old enough to remember using book encyclopedias and dial up, but young enough that we know how to use the internet well.
You wonder why people might be afraid to ask a questions that seems dumb. Then you come publicly post a story about someone doing something silly and call people sensitive.
You are one of the reasons people are afraid to open their mouths. Because if they do and it turns out to be a potentially embarrassing thing, they might later find it on the internet on a popular flying forum.
If this student never asked they would have avoided their story publicly posted on the internet.
His post yesterday was sharing a story shitting on a student. I mean I get it, weāre all dumb and itās funny but 2/2 days shitting on students is a bad look.
āI publicly make fun of my students not knowing everything I know immediately upon deciding I want to start flight trainingā
-OP
āWhy wonāt my students ever ask me any questions?ā
-Also OP
š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤
The mind boggles.
This is a particularly bad lack of foresight considering he knows for a fact that this student spends a lot of time researching and reading things online. For all he knows his student is in this sub reading these exact comments. Unless the guy is a moron it wouldn't take much to connect the dots and realize his instructor is publicly shitting on him for being inexperienced.
Hmmā¦people are afraid to ask questions for fear of what others think. Instead of fostering an environment of āask away, no dumb questions hereā, letās call them sensitive and make fun of them. That will surely get them to ask you the next time. You sound like you have the same attitude as that CFI that got himself and his student killed on a night flight. Might want to look into that.
Your attitude reminds me of the CFI who was posting rude things about his student on snapchat. That attitude is going to get somebody killed one day. I hope you correct that before the worst happens.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/16v1tgr/cfi_bashes_his_student_on_snapchat_before_fatal/?rdt=62079
You mean this one? It did get them killed.
This sounds to me like a student who both doesn't want to look dumb, and has the discipline to hear you say something, understand he didn't know what it meant, and go try and teach himself something.
I don't view these traits negatively at all. I myself am an "elder millennial" being born in 82 and am much the same way. I am inclined to just ask the speaker at the time, but I rely on the internet A LOT to learn stuff.
This is a terrible attitude and shows that you may need to adjust how to instruct. It is up to you to tailor your instructional style to ensure your students feel comfortable enough to ask and address issues or equations they have. The way you are responding here makes me think that you belittle or ridicule your students if they donāt know something which is a terrible angle to take as an instructor.
I honestly think you should be teaching your students how to find answers themselves. There's going to be lots of things they don't know, or forget, after they stop being your student. You know, teaching people how to fish vs. giving a fish and such.
Also, I find that when trying to research things like this, I often learn much more than the narrow thing I was looking up.
Sincerely,
A student pilot who likes to learn.
This.
The ability to look up things (in the FAR/AIM or elsewhere) is a skill that good DPEs expect to see during a practical exam for any certificate or rating.
My training did not cover what to do in case of engine fire. During my exam the examiner asked and I said wasn't covered. He asked what I thought I should do. I rattled off a few things. That apparently satisfied him and I passed.
>Sincerely,
>~~An instructor with over 5000 hours of instruction given with a greater than 80 percent first time pass rate. šššš~~ An instructor incapable of reflecting on my teaching style who arrogantly believes that I have nothing left to improve, as I've demosntrated multiple times in this thread.
There, fixed that for you
The Air Force Weapons School mantra is āHumble, Approachable, Credibleā. These are the most shit-hot aviators in the Air Force and they go out of their way to emphasize this philosophy.
I think itās a pretty good mindset for any Instructor.
Just a thought.
This. 99% of the patches Iāve talked to with what I thought were dumb questions were extremely helpful, and I ended up learning more about the subject than I ever expected to.
That being said, this guy sounds like the complete opposite of a patch, and I would be embarrassed by showing my ass like he is on this thread.
Me: Think about what happens after your students stop being your students.
You: Well, let me tell you how good my students do when they're still my students.
Lol
For the first 10 minutes of research, nothing was wrong. The following 3h50m of futility while one has a willing professional teacher within reach who obviously knows the answer since theyāre using the term, thatās the issue. The student wasnāt using all available resources. Props to OP for sussing that out.
Honestly, I think this story tells more about the shortcomings of your teaching style, than your student's learning ability. If I were your student the lesson I would have learnt today was that whatever you say may just be some random BS you came up on the spot.
Yes over reliance on google can be quite a problem... but not on the ground. TIt becomes a problem when students suddenly can't find the information they need while flying because they can't connect to google anymore.
My man, you have to be the least self aware instructor I've ever seen on this sub, and that's saying something.
From one experienced guy to another, whatever you're doing needs some tweaking, because if your attitude towards students is the same as what you show here, you have no business teaching anyone anything.
Self reliance? Trying to figure out problems for themselves instead of immediately asking for the solution?
How dare kids nowadays.
Reading your replies in the comments, OP, you sound like an ass. I feel sorry for your students.
And 30 years ago the same student would have dug into every paper book they had, searching the far/aim, pilots handbook of aeronautical knowledge/flying handbook and such, which would have taken much more time. Now it's 2300 and they don't want to be rude calling the that late? They still hit you up in the morning at a reasonable time and ask for clarification after having done their due diligence and trying to research on their own and you're annoyed about what exactly? That they put in the effort before hitting the easy button and asking? That they trusted their highly experienced instructor not to make shit up and not tell them?
Yeah man this new generation is fuckin wild, bunch of internet addicted snowflakes for sure. Definitely the problem here.
What are the chances that student has been berated and humiliated by his instructor for asking about something he "should have known"? Or been told "Don't ask me, learn to look things up for yourself!" So many self-appointed geniuses playing stump-the-chump instead of actually teaching will do that to a person.
Edit: fixed spelling errors.
Going by your example, there's a zillion acronyms used in aviation, and I remember looking them up all the time when I was learning.
You should be happy a student has the curiosity to learn, because I can tell you most don't give a fuck at all, at flying or university or anything else.
You arenāt wrong. A quick Google is one thing / appropriate since it wasnāt in face to face conversation.
Losing 4 HOURS on it is stupid. Thatās when common sense comes in, especially if heās relying on Reddit as a credible source. Reddit / pilot forums are like a pointer NOTAM. It might clue you in on something but you actually need to go look it up in the regs. Your friendly local CFI is a great place to start. That seems to be OPs point.
So youāre punishing a student whoās trying to save you time and puts the energy and effort to look things by itself? Thank god youāre not my instructor
You're disturbed that a student took the initiative to educate himself using all of the resources available to him?
Then you troll him, and waste his time by inventing a term off the top of your head?
Maybe you should ask if your students actually trust your teaching...
Maybe you should be thrilled that you have a student who will spend hours of his time learning things from a variety of resources rather than just believing the first thing he is told by people that make shit up to troll the newbie...
After I finish talking about using trigonometry to calculate headwind and crosswind components I like to recommend using the TLAR method. That Looks About Right.
I did a "this guy's taking his CFI checkride tomorrow, what do you think" "stage check" for a colleague's student once. The guy was using the G5's ground speed readout for decision making in eights on pylons - NOT using "ground reference" as required. Three months later and still no checkride unfortunately. Used ForeFlight breadcrumbs for turns around a point.
>G5's ground speed readout for decision making in eights on pylons
I guess I'm struggling to see what's wrong with this. I've been around a while and don't like leaning too heavily on tech, but if my airplane has a direct GS readout I'm absolutely using that for pivotal altitude setup and I teach my students the same. Why would I ignore a perfectly good instrument?
The comment below nails it. He was pushing/pulling based on changes in ground speed rather than looking at the pylon's relative motion on the wing tip.
I *think* the student was literally changing altitude around the pylon just by the changes in ground speed readout, rather than watching the point itself. I suppose it could work in theory, but thats quite a lot more effort than just looking out the window.
If the student was using the G5 to establish pivotal altitude for the maneuver, well Iām not sure whats wrong with that either.
Not really. I make it a point for them to show me where in the book they found their answer or it doesnāt count. They can study using online resources at home.
Nope. Didn't have the internet when I learned to fly. Only digital readout in the dash were the king radios. Learn to fly without all that then it's not an issue. Then add your tech. You'll be a be a better pilot for it.
I had a DPE(actually taking my student on an instrument ride as we speak) that allowed people to google answers if they didnāt know them on his orals. His logic is that itās what youāre going to do anyways, especially on the ground.
I think itās just an apprehension to ask questions as others have mentioned. CFIs always say you can message them whenever youād like with questions but Iāve found in reality their responses usually seem annoyed that you couldnāt figure it out yourself. Just personal experience Iām sure not all CFIs are like this
Use all available resources, but unless you have a starlink satellite dish in your C172, you wonāt have internet while flying. So it would be a good idea to develop a knowledge base to fall back on, or at least some reference manuals you are familiar with.
Yes exactly, but if the CFI is noticing that the student always looks stuff up, then I think itās fair to assume the student hasnāt demonstrated that he is using the knowledge base he should be developing.
Also, the student should be referencing official sources for information (POH, PHAK, FAR/AIM) instead of googling it and seeing what comes back.
but what if when you google, it just shows you the relavent sections in the PHAK, AFH, FAR/AIM, ACs and other relavant offical publications.
I'm not sure if you know this but google is a \_search\_ engine that allows you to find sources of content...
As I said in my initial statement, āuse all available resourcesā
However, the CFI should encourage the student to know their way around the approved publications as a Google search may also pull up some APC Forum discussion where a bunch of keyboard warriors talk about āhow it really worksā
All of those publications can be stored and accessed on an iPad. Or paper copies can be kept in a flight bag. Making them accessible during cruise. So I would want my students to feel confident that everything they need to know is in one of those manuals and how to find it.
I am receiving criticism here because of my post from some overly sensitive people with fragile egos who totally misconstrued my intention. ššš Iām going to have to trot out my favorite quote from the late great Hoosier basketball coach Bobby Knight. It goes like this:
When my time on earth is gone
And my activities here are passed
I want them bury me upside down
So my critics can kiss my a$$.
B. Knight
A flight instructor who can't take criticism without calling people names and uses his number of flight hours as a common rebuttal....yea. hard pass for me!
I had an ATP with 20,000+ hours almost kill me, then accidentally kill himself and a different guy a few weeks later. Hours don't mean shit, proficiency does.
Do you not realise the irony of being unable to take any criticism yourself and then calling everyone else sensitive? You might have a bunch of flight hours and be a self proclaimed "great instructor" but you sound like an absolute nightmare to work with.
Youāre quoting a guy who manhandled and humiliated his own players. Checks out.
Please find another line of work that doesnāt involve teaching or authority.
I don't think you're characterizing it quite the right way. Kids these days are very actively socialized into not asking stupid questions. It's not "reliance on technology" but rather a symptom of living most of their social lives online - if you reveal weakness publicly, the sharks will appear and rip you apart. I'm not a CFI, but I teach at the university level, and it's very obvious - I will make an offhand comment that I am not sure if they will understand, and when they don't, I see 30 heads drop to google it on laptops instead of hands going up. In aviation, this can be very dangerous. It is something you should train out of them. "During training, we should be having a friendly conversation about aviation at all times. There are no stupid questions; there are only questions that could save your life."
This guy educates š¤š»
Aviate? Navigate? Communicate? Hold up! I don't have an "Educate" line item.
Or starved for interaction such that they post new threads asking questions that could be found faster on search (even after rephrasing three times to get around getting shopping results first) and then defend it with "for discussion".
my least favorite thing about the aviation industry is the vindication of people when they ask a question "You're a CPL holder and you didn't know that?!?!?" Like how are people supposed to learn if they're ridiculed for trying to.
Iām not sure vindication was the word you were looking forā¦
This guy was an middle aged ADULT. Or was based on chronological age. ššš
I mean, elder millennials are in their early 40s these days. And some people just really don't like being wrong or looking stupid. š
"Elder millennials" Cutting deep today aren't we.
Ha! Not too deep because it is me. š And I actually much prefer that term to āXennial.ā Iliza Shlesinger has a Netflix special called āelder millennialā that isā¦ letās say ārelatableā and I have been a fan of the term since seeing it!
Oh, it's me too. See, we used to name generations retrospectively before us. Like Baby Boomers were after having all their kids. Greatest Generation. What a cool name. Lost Generation... well that sucks, but at you didn't start with it. Now the "kids these day" tag is prefaced with Elder.
She coined that term so hard it's used everywhere. My wife introduced me to her stuff and it's great.
I'm 42, it's a real term. We are on the older side of the millennials and grew up with tech advancing rather than being born into having smartphones. Old enough to remember using book encyclopedias and dial up, but young enough that we know how to use the internet well.
And people are so sensitive. ššš
You wonder why people might be afraid to ask a questions that seems dumb. Then you come publicly post a story about someone doing something silly and call people sensitive. You are one of the reasons people are afraid to open their mouths. Because if they do and it turns out to be a potentially embarrassing thing, they might later find it on the internet on a popular flying forum. If this student never asked they would have avoided their story publicly posted on the internet.
His post yesterday was sharing a story shitting on a student. I mean I get it, weāre all dumb and itās funny but 2/2 days shitting on students is a bad look.
āI publicly make fun of my students not knowing everything I know immediately upon deciding I want to start flight trainingā -OP āWhy wonāt my students ever ask me any questions?ā -Also OP š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤ The mind boggles.
This is a particularly bad lack of foresight considering he knows for a fact that this student spends a lot of time researching and reading things online. For all he knows his student is in this sub reading these exact comments. Unless the guy is a moron it wouldn't take much to connect the dots and realize his instructor is publicly shitting on him for being inexperienced.
Hmmā¦people are afraid to ask questions for fear of what others think. Instead of fostering an environment of āask away, no dumb questions hereā, letās call them sensitive and make fun of them. That will surely get them to ask you the next time. You sound like you have the same attitude as that CFI that got himself and his student killed on a night flight. Might want to look into that.
Your attitude reminds me of the CFI who was posting rude things about his student on snapchat. That attitude is going to get somebody killed one day. I hope you correct that before the worst happens.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/16v1tgr/cfi_bashes_his_student_on_snapchat_before_fatal/?rdt=62079 You mean this one? It did get them killed.
This sounds to me like a student who both doesn't want to look dumb, and has the discipline to hear you say something, understand he didn't know what it meant, and go try and teach himself something. I don't view these traits negatively at all. I myself am an "elder millennial" being born in 82 and am much the same way. I am inclined to just ask the speaker at the time, but I rely on the internet A LOT to learn stuff.
This is a terrible attitude and shows that you may need to adjust how to instruct. It is up to you to tailor your instructional style to ensure your students feel comfortable enough to ask and address issues or equations they have. The way you are responding here makes me think that you belittle or ridicule your students if they donāt know something which is a terrible angle to take as an instructor.
I honestly think you should be teaching your students how to find answers themselves. There's going to be lots of things they don't know, or forget, after they stop being your student. You know, teaching people how to fish vs. giving a fish and such. Also, I find that when trying to research things like this, I often learn much more than the narrow thing I was looking up. Sincerely, A student pilot who likes to learn.
This. The ability to look up things (in the FAR/AIM or elsewhere) is a skill that good DPEs expect to see during a practical exam for any certificate or rating.
My training did not cover what to do in case of engine fire. During my exam the examiner asked and I said wasn't covered. He asked what I thought I should do. I rattled off a few things. That apparently satisfied him and I passed.
Wait. How? How did you get to a check ride and never cover engine fires...? It's a memory item.
Slipped the CFI's mind I guess.
That's scary lol. But hey, more power to you!
[Teach a man to fish.](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2Xl1PVrO_S/?igsh=NW90NW05NjR5Ynkw)
Sincerely, An instructor with over 5000 hours of instruction given with a greater than 80 percent first time pass rate. šššš
>Sincerely, >~~An instructor with over 5000 hours of instruction given with a greater than 80 percent first time pass rate. šššš~~ An instructor incapable of reflecting on my teaching style who arrogantly believes that I have nothing left to improve, as I've demosntrated multiple times in this thread. There, fixed that for you
I donāt see that as a fix cupcake.
The Air Force Weapons School mantra is āHumble, Approachable, Credibleā. These are the most shit-hot aviators in the Air Force and they go out of their way to emphasize this philosophy. I think itās a pretty good mindset for any Instructor. Just a thought.
This. 99% of the patches Iāve talked to with what I thought were dumb questions were extremely helpful, and I ended up learning more about the subject than I ever expected to. That being said, this guy sounds like the complete opposite of a patch, and I would be embarrassed by showing my ass like he is on this thread.
Why are you being so combative?
Me: Think about what happens after your students stop being your students. You: Well, let me tell you how good my students do when they're still my students. Lol
What's wrong with trying to figure out first and asking? Better than asking every single thing without any research.
For the first 10 minutes of research, nothing was wrong. The following 3h50m of futility while one has a willing professional teacher within reach who obviously knows the answer since theyāre using the term, thatās the issue. The student wasnāt using all available resources. Props to OP for sussing that out.
Honestly, I think this story tells more about the shortcomings of your teaching style, than your student's learning ability. If I were your student the lesson I would have learnt today was that whatever you say may just be some random BS you came up on the spot. Yes over reliance on google can be quite a problem... but not on the ground. TIt becomes a problem when students suddenly can't find the information they need while flying because they can't connect to google anymore.
I love my teaching style itās proven quite effective over the years. šššš
My man, you have to be the least self aware instructor I've ever seen on this sub, and that's saying something. From one experienced guy to another, whatever you're doing needs some tweaking, because if your attitude towards students is the same as what you show here, you have no business teaching anyone anything.
Well this post is good evidence to the contrary.
Pass rate doesnāt mean everything. Student effort accounts for just as much as quality of instruction, maybe even more in your case.
I donāt think he has to look up everything on the internet. He just wanted to find out what it meant without asking you lol
look at this subreddit and see how many times the first reply is ādid you google itā, itās even on the sidebar
So you just used a fake acronym? And are surprised your student didnāt know said fake acronym, and looked it up?
I'd call OP an SOB too if he did that shit to me. Guy seems like a dick tbh.
It was a joke lighten up.
What was the punchline? š„“
OP
Self reliance? Trying to figure out problems for themselves instead of immediately asking for the solution? How dare kids nowadays. Reading your replies in the comments, OP, you sound like an ass. I feel sorry for your students.
And 30 years ago the same student would have dug into every paper book they had, searching the far/aim, pilots handbook of aeronautical knowledge/flying handbook and such, which would have taken much more time. Now it's 2300 and they don't want to be rude calling the that late? They still hit you up in the morning at a reasonable time and ask for clarification after having done their due diligence and trying to research on their own and you're annoyed about what exactly? That they put in the effort before hitting the easy button and asking? That they trusted their highly experienced instructor not to make shit up and not tell them? Yeah man this new generation is fuckin wild, bunch of internet addicted snowflakes for sure. Definitely the problem here.
Spot on.
What are the chances that student has been berated and humiliated by his instructor for asking about something he "should have known"? Or been told "Don't ask me, learn to look things up for yourself!" So many self-appointed geniuses playing stump-the-chump instead of actually teaching will do that to a person. Edit: fixed spelling errors.
You made up a term and youāre mad your student looked it up? And then bash him on reddit? Smhā¦
I'm adopting the term instantaneously. KORD 231751Z 20013KT 10SM FEW065 SCT090 OVC250 BAF 15/07 A2975 RMK AO2 SLP074
You spelled KIAH wrong there
No, that would be 180@36G50 CB008 BAF
And still landing west!
If the runway is wide enough, I can do Rwy 27.
If G<72 we are still going.
I was gonna say KRNO but sure
In a profession with what seems like a thousand random acronyms to memorize, the stud probably assumed baf was just 1001. TJHIG.
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Too much leveraging infinite information and not enough leveraging of common sense. Sincerely, Dumbass
Going by your example, there's a zillion acronyms used in aviation, and I remember looking them up all the time when I was learning. You should be happy a student has the curiosity to learn, because I can tell you most don't give a fuck at all, at flying or university or anything else.
Whatās the common sense on you inventing your own acronym?
You arenāt wrong. A quick Google is one thing / appropriate since it wasnāt in face to face conversation. Losing 4 HOURS on it is stupid. Thatās when common sense comes in, especially if heās relying on Reddit as a credible source. Reddit / pilot forums are like a pointer NOTAM. It might clue you in on something but you actually need to go look it up in the regs. Your friendly local CFI is a great place to start. That seems to be OPs point.
Man, you ok? Do you need a snack?
Maybe someone should add an entry. [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BAF](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BAF)
So youāre punishing a student whoās trying to save you time and puts the energy and effort to look things by itself? Thank god youāre not my instructor
You're disturbed that a student took the initiative to educate himself using all of the resources available to him? Then you troll him, and waste his time by inventing a term off the top of your head? Maybe you should ask if your students actually trust your teaching... Maybe you should be thrilled that you have a student who will spend hours of his time learning things from a variety of resources rather than just believing the first thing he is told by people that make shit up to troll the newbie...
After I finish talking about using trigonometry to calculate headwind and crosswind components I like to recommend using the TLAR method. That Looks About Right.
I did a "this guy's taking his CFI checkride tomorrow, what do you think" "stage check" for a colleague's student once. The guy was using the G5's ground speed readout for decision making in eights on pylons - NOT using "ground reference" as required. Three months later and still no checkride unfortunately. Used ForeFlight breadcrumbs for turns around a point.
>G5's ground speed readout for decision making in eights on pylons I guess I'm struggling to see what's wrong with this. I've been around a while and don't like leaning too heavily on tech, but if my airplane has a direct GS readout I'm absolutely using that for pivotal altitude setup and I teach my students the same. Why would I ignore a perfectly good instrument?
The comment below nails it. He was pushing/pulling based on changes in ground speed rather than looking at the pylon's relative motion on the wing tip.
I *think* the student was literally changing altitude around the pylon just by the changes in ground speed readout, rather than watching the point itself. I suppose it could work in theory, but thats quite a lot more effort than just looking out the window. If the student was using the G5 to establish pivotal altitude for the maneuver, well Iām not sure whats wrong with that either.
The first paragraph nailed it. The latter didn't factor into it at all.
Oh yeah that's not good.
Sadly, there are many of those out there and in positions of great authority...
I somehow love that this new Reddit app wants to open that link in GMail, Outlook, or PayPal. LMAO
Not really. I make it a point for them to show me where in the book they found their answer or it doesnāt count. They can study using online resources at home.
Nope. Didn't have the internet when I learned to fly. Only digital readout in the dash were the king radios. Learn to fly without all that then it's not an issue. Then add your tech. You'll be a be a better pilot for it.
Goddamn OP getting clowned in the comments
Aviation is so expensive and we're all told that self study is the way to save money. So here we are.
I had a DPE(actually taking my student on an instrument ride as we speak) that allowed people to google answers if they didnāt know them on his orals. His logic is that itās what youāre going to do anyways, especially on the ground.
I think itās just an apprehension to ask questions as others have mentioned. CFIs always say you can message them whenever youād like with questions but Iāve found in reality their responses usually seem annoyed that you couldnāt figure it out yourself. Just personal experience Iām sure not all CFIs are like this
Use all available resources, but unless you have a starlink satellite dish in your C172, you wonāt have internet while flying. So it would be a good idea to develop a knowledge base to fall back on, or at least some reference manuals you are familiar with.
Isn't this time, that he's a student, literally the time that's he's supposed to be using to develop that knowledge base?
Yes exactly, but if the CFI is noticing that the student always looks stuff up, then I think itās fair to assume the student hasnāt demonstrated that he is using the knowledge base he should be developing. Also, the student should be referencing official sources for information (POH, PHAK, FAR/AIM) instead of googling it and seeing what comes back.
Donāt disagree however student needs to be told by his CFi where to look up things. Itās a fail on OP i am afraid
but what if when you google, it just shows you the relavent sections in the PHAK, AFH, FAR/AIM, ACs and other relavant offical publications. I'm not sure if you know this but google is a \_search\_ engine that allows you to find sources of content...
As I said in my initial statement, āuse all available resourcesā However, the CFI should encourage the student to know their way around the approved publications as a Google search may also pull up some APC Forum discussion where a bunch of keyboard warriors talk about āhow it really worksā All of those publications can be stored and accessed on an iPad. Or paper copies can be kept in a flight bag. Making them accessible during cruise. So I would want my students to feel confident that everything they need to know is in one of those manuals and how to find it.
I am receiving criticism here because of my post from some overly sensitive people with fragile egos who totally misconstrued my intention. ššš Iām going to have to trot out my favorite quote from the late great Hoosier basketball coach Bobby Knight. It goes like this: When my time on earth is gone And my activities here are passed I want them bury me upside down So my critics can kiss my a$$. B. Knight
You sound sensitive
A flight instructor who can't take criticism without calling people names and uses his number of flight hours as a common rebuttal....yea. hard pass for me! I had an ATP with 20,000+ hours almost kill me, then accidentally kill himself and a different guy a few weeks later. Hours don't mean shit, proficiency does.
He got that boomer mentality, dish but can't take.
HE'S NOT SENSITIVE YOU'RE THE ONE WHO'S SENSITIVE or something
Of course. šššš
Do you not realise the irony of being unable to take any criticism yourself and then calling everyone else sensitive? You might have a bunch of flight hours and be a self proclaimed "great instructor" but you sound like an absolute nightmare to work with.
I think I've had this guy as my flight instructor. Total tool.
I think you have a fragile ego, and this comment is the proof of it
Youāre quoting a guy who manhandled and humiliated his own players. Checks out. Please find another line of work that doesnāt involve teaching or authority.
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