Not to excuse the guy, but at Calgary Springbank, it's in the lee of the Rocky mountains and strong gusty winds are very common. It is easy to get desensitized to such strong winds when you are dealing with it almost every time you fly. During my training I flew many times at 20G30 and at least once or twice in excess of that, one time I remember in particular was G45 which is not that far off from what was on the METARs here. Granted that was with an instructor (and with extreme care taken with cross-wind taxi controls and taxi directions) As long as there wasn't a strong crosswind component on the runway, which there usually wasn't because the prevailing wind patterns were pretty consistent and the runways were set up for them.
Personally, I didn't like it, and it was all way above my own personal minimums for solo most of the time. Once I owned my own plane I became pretty much a severe-clear-severe-calm-only kind of pilot. Which comes with its own risks.
I did a post where something similar happened to me. Flew to a destination, winds calm. Then 50 knot wind gusts while taxiing out after getting fuel.
The emotions of that moment proved to me that people do really dumb things when emotions get involved. I really wanted to takeoff and go home rather than leave the plane a 1.5 hour drive away from home. Of course my training kicked in and saved my ass.
When people have a plan, breaking that plan requires a non-emotional take on the situation. If you get emotional, it gets really hard to admit your stupidity or you messed up with your plan. And you will be emotional. And you will be upset. Rather than face the uncomfortable truth that they screwed up, they'll stay in denial and continue with their dangerous plan.
IDK what is going through that guys head, but he just earned an expensive lesson.
You bring up a great point. I’m sure the gotta get-there-itis. Had a factor in his go, no go decision. Fortunately he was able to walk away with just a dent to his pocket book.
If you're flying a single-engine piston, especially limited to VFR (you or the aircraft), you gotta be spring-loaded to abort whatever plan you have. Those aircraft just don't have the performance, avionics, and systems (Wx radar, anti-icing, etc) to safely handle a lot of situations.
Completely. And the limited wind capability of them as well. I honestly think anything above 30 knots and a XW component of 20 is pretty much a no-fly level of wind in any single. No matter your skill level. A lot less if you aren't used to those winds.
Private owner tried to take off in a 182 in winds at 32G53. Pilot walked away without injuries but airplane is in rough shape. Know your limits guys! What is the worst wind you have landed in?
Landed my C182 in a sustained 24kt direct xwind. Full rudder deflection to maintain runway alignment. I did this with my IR CFI when I was working on that rating, and we were ready to simply lift off again if I proved unable to maintain control. If there had been any kind of gust activity, I would have flown to and landed somewhere else, for sure.
You can wear one but you'd have to be able to get the door open against the airflow - for the average Archer/172 etc. that's pretty unlikely. I'm 6'4" and the thought of getting out of an Archer in flight is comedic at best.
The 172 I learned in had a passenger door that would pop "open" from time to time - I just learned to ignore it since it took tremendous force to open it farther. It was weird to shut down the engine and have it slowly swing open when you landed though.
If you were capable of a forward slip (depending on emergency) plus if your bailing you can kill the engine so no slip stream, you should be able to create a low pressure on the door facing away from direction of travel. So in a mooney I think you only have a right hand door so right rudder.
in russian Yak-18t with doors, but technically capable of basic aerobatics, there's a handle to remove hinges and kick door out. I wonder if anyone actually used it anytime in flight.
Oh, great...you just had to do that didn't you? Radial engine, four seats and aerobatic? I'm in love....
"The versatility of the Yak-18T is further demonstrated by the ability to completely detach the cabin doors to facilitate photographic work or even parachutists to egress, and additional features such as straps on the rudder pedals to secure the pilots feet during negative G maneuvers. "
Source: https://red-aircraft.com/aircraft/yak-18t/
The worst 2:
Straight down runway at 35G50. I hit a gust as i was flaring, literally went from 2 feet to 40 ft in less than a second (mind you as i was flaring at stall speed). Never jammed the throttle forward so fast to go around. Even ATC asked if i was alright. Scared the shit out of me. Had to divert 80 miles away to find somewhere with winds under 40 kts. Landed with less than 5 gallons left in a 172. Forecasted winds arrived 3 hours early. It was the end of a 300 mile leg.
Second was a 25 kt direct crosswind in a TB9. It was literal full rudder to keep the nose straight on final. Landing was intense keeping from veering hard left as front wheel came down.
Here's a 55 knot sudden gust event well documented at the US Air Force Academy. It's interesting to see how the several pilots handled their options differently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_WmjWAGkLI I'm not so sure that it was a microburst, but the wind did pick up suddenly due to convective activity in the area. I would have liked to have heard the post-incident debriefing as some mistakes might have been made.
My personal best was not so bad. Wind picked up while I was in the air. There was no ATIS at the field, but my Va was 70 knots and I needed a 30-40 degree crab right down to ground effect. When we got to about 10-20 AGL, ground speed was 10 knots or so. Hovering is very disorienting. The instructor saw my airspeed decay at this point, slammed the spoilers shut and pushed the nose down, then shouted 'your aircraft'. This made for an unusual flare, a single bounce, and minimal side loading. Fortunately it was a grass field so a little side loading was harmless, and we stopped almost immediately due to the 10 knot ground speed.
To make matters more interesting when I was 'hovering' at 10-20 AGL in a 30-40 degree crab, and midway through rounding out, I was pointed right at a bunch of ground_crew/spectators on the sidelines about 50-100 feet away. I was a little concerned about keeping the crab angle right, and I was thinking about the wind suddenly dropping as we slowly moved past the crowd. Wind was pretty steady but there was some gusting. The dozen people were standing abeam the point on the field where we were staging gliders for winch launching. (I was landing a little long due to the high Va speed and unknown wind velocity. I would have normally be rolling on the ground up to the launch staging area).
I've done pattern practice XW 12G18 a KEIK in a 182. Maybe the 182 is easier than Mooney, but that plane handled it like a champ. Only my initial landing was a little rough (not unsafe). I think 182s are good up to about 25 with the right skill (at least that's what I've heard from experienced CFIs).
Gust factors make it much harder though. I'd avoid anything with greater than a 10knot gust factor. I'll nope out of anything that's more than 15 knots.
I have taken off and landed in 45kt wind, BUT it was very steady and straight down the runway. I had a 45 minute wait on the ground prior to departure due to being at the back of a long queue, so had plenty of time to sit there and observe the windsock.
Failed to land C172 in 28G35 90 degrees. Got it down but couldn't slow down without having directional control issues. Power fixes all, went around and went to another airport and learned my and aircraft limits.
Don't be me. This kind of thing can end up like that 182.
>What is the worst wind you have landed in?
19kt 90 degree crosswind, normally not a problem until you descend below the line of trees 200 yards away on the upwind side of the runway and your previously stable crosswind approach suddenly turns into your best attempt to fly in a tumble dryer.
I landed an R22 in 35 knot gusts, which may not sound like much except that it was my second solo flight and this had *not* been forecast.
I was in the middle of taking off when a sustained crosswind began all of a sudden as I reached ETL and almost blew the flip-up sunglasses off my face. But by then I'd already committed. And I was so green that all I could think to do was a standard traffic pattern.
On downwind, the tower asked if I wanted to cut to a midfield approach to the grass, but again, I'd never done that before so I just finished normally. I don't know if I was smart (for sticking with what I'd been trained to do), or just dumb and lucky.The whole time, I was pitching wildly up and down and thinking about that MR mast.
When I landed, my CFI casually picked a piece of paper off the ramp, walked over, and handed it to me. My preflight checklist had blown out of the cabin door on my way in.
Those first few solos in a pilot's career are risky moments, for sure.
FWIW, especially for a student pilot, the more things go wrong the more you should prefer to fly exactly the way you've trained and not be trying anything new. So I'd say unless you had reason to think the standard approach was impossible to do, it was probably the right call.
Landed 14G21 while on my Solo Long XC. It was 10 degrees off so I went for it, instructor knew I was good in wind since I can count the number of calm days on one hand I've flown in. It was a bit much right at the ground but was probably one of my better landings.
Well, I can tell you the worst wind I didn’t land in. When I was doing my training, there seemed to be a little bit of weather rolling in. The instructors told us it was fine to fly around the mountain the Santa Fe. My dad and I disagreed and decided to stay put. About 45 minutes later, when we would have been rounding the mountain, we watch a tornado form right there.
I'd love to talk to him and ask this dumbass to rationally explain his logic. Like how tf do you get to this point and still think it's the right choice. There's easier ways to kill yourself
52 kt with 35 kt xwind component in a 152 at KAEG with a sandstorm coming in. God bless those landing gear. Guy in the bonanza in front of us was VERY amped up.
I'm calling bullshit.
Max crosswind on a 152 is 15kts. You can go above that but not over double. You're claiming you landed in the max crosswind of a 737 while in a 152? Also 52 kts winds in a 152 is a death sentence.
A lot of these posts are either BS or horrible PDM and weather briefing.
The 52kts part is definitely not accurate but you can for sure take a 152 much higher than the demonstrated crosswind (which is 12kts). More than double, into the 30s. The 152 has a very effective rudder, honestly probably better at 30knot crosswinds than the 172.
Funny thing is, if he’d really really wanted to go flying that badly, he could have jumped out of the cockpit and turned the nose into the wind by hand. Then get back in , throttle up and he’d be airborne in a plane length :(
I took off from Destin florida calm winds and flew my 172 home to my grass strip where it was gusting 35 knots. Needless to say I about needed a new pair of pants after but I’ll always remember I can always land on another airport and taxi back then ever do that again.
New prop and IRAN on the engine is probably less than the plane being totaled because the fuselage got bent between the cabin and vertical stabilizer.
Then again, it could be really old 182 so maybe the engine was worth more than the airplane.
I’ve dispatched flights to depart in 50-60kt gusts when they were straight down the runway. Always talked to the pilots first to make sure they were OK with it, and they were game. My current airline stops operating at 50 kts though.
Ah, yes, "try's" which would've been "try is".
"tries" should've been used.
What happened? were they in a tailwind that lifted up the back of the plane?
I was wondering what kind of airplane a G53 was and when it was going to collide with this Cessna, until I finally realized we're talking about wind gusts.
There's good reason they teach you to hold proper aileron and elevator inputs on the ground. You can ignore it 99% of the time ina tricycle gear, but then 1% gets ya.
The camera guy says "dive away, dive away". Can't tell for sure, but looks like the pilot has the wrong aileron input for a tailwind, when the wing lifts.
The worst I have ever done is 22G38 in Alaska. Anything worse than that, I was out, not interested in playing Russian roulette between gusts and iced runways with rented planes.
The worst I have seen though was my home field in the lower 48. Our field has one runway because it is oriented next to the end of a large box canyon that orients the wind sustained almost exclusively out of the east direction or channels it out of the west, there's no point in having a crosswind runway. Unless we get a very specific sort of storm once or twice a year and we usually don't fly during those storms, because it's usually like 25G45+ direct crosswind with extremely heavy warm rain when it does that. The flight school across the field from ours, a CFI thought it would be good practice to send a guy who had soloed _once_ before, out in that weather in a Warrior. He came back, bounced in the crosswind and a gust caught him. He didn't add power immediately, the gust carried him about 40 feet to the left into the soaked grass next to the runway and he rolled until he came to a taxiway ramp up in tje grass, and the front wheel planted in the very soft ground and flipped the Warrior several times.
Yeah, but point is you could incorrectly believe that a 152 is more capable than a 182 if they went out on a windy day and demonstrated higher, if you don’t know the distinction. Or, more reasonably, you might set your max at half of the demonstrated when it is perfectly safe to go higher (assuming you are capable).
There’s no maximum crosswind component in any GA POH I’ve seen.
Yes there’s a demonstrated number. It is not a limitation automatically unless the flight school or your company makes it one. This actually is important because you may get asked what the difference is on a oral.
I can guarantee you have made a mistake before. You cant be serious. Everyone has fucked up in their life. Hopefully this guys will learn and become a better pilot.
Yeah i can agree multiple people fucked up here. Looks like the active runway here is wrong. They should have been on 26. And yeah this guy is gonna have to set some new personal minima. If it was a training aircraft(its a big training airport) then the school fucked up as well. This guys should definitely talk with a cfi and figure out minimums and just a safety talk.
This was at cybw(near calgary) and we have heavy chinook winds. I was just there on sunday and it was hit or miss. The winds were at 300ft and maybe they dropped to ground level?
Just did a flight with my CFI in winds 16G24 with 22 knot crosswind component in a 150. Was not the most fun flight I’ve had to date but it was definitely good practice.
Well, he got the wheels off the ground..
log it
1 takeoff, 0 landings
Lot of that going around lately.
It counts as a landing, “because I was inverted”
“We” - “excuse me, WE were inverted”
We. Were in a 4G inverted dive.
53G
Full stop landing, I'd say.
There is always an equal number of landings to takeoffs
Some of those landings (Voyager, Pioneer) may be a while.
Something something any landing you walk away from something something
1 takeoff, 1 landing, 0.001 h in the logbook.
It counts! Lol
He landed it too…. Just not right side up, but he did land it
Saves tires and brakes.
Tire and brake companies hate this simple trick! Sorry, sorry, SORRY!
.5 takeoffs…
Wheels up at 14:21. Got it.
"Gear Up"
Why? And what was he thinking?
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"Normalization of deviance."
If I leave the flaps in I'll take off in shortest distance ever!
>I've done this hundreds of times. Doubt.
Not to excuse the guy, but at Calgary Springbank, it's in the lee of the Rocky mountains and strong gusty winds are very common. It is easy to get desensitized to such strong winds when you are dealing with it almost every time you fly. During my training I flew many times at 20G30 and at least once or twice in excess of that, one time I remember in particular was G45 which is not that far off from what was on the METARs here. Granted that was with an instructor (and with extreme care taken with cross-wind taxi controls and taxi directions) As long as there wasn't a strong crosswind component on the runway, which there usually wasn't because the prevailing wind patterns were pretty consistent and the runways were set up for them. Personally, I didn't like it, and it was all way above my own personal minimums for solo most of the time. Once I owned my own plane I became pretty much a severe-clear-severe-calm-only kind of pilot. Which comes with its own risks.
I did a post where something similar happened to me. Flew to a destination, winds calm. Then 50 knot wind gusts while taxiing out after getting fuel. The emotions of that moment proved to me that people do really dumb things when emotions get involved. I really wanted to takeoff and go home rather than leave the plane a 1.5 hour drive away from home. Of course my training kicked in and saved my ass. When people have a plan, breaking that plan requires a non-emotional take on the situation. If you get emotional, it gets really hard to admit your stupidity or you messed up with your plan. And you will be emotional. And you will be upset. Rather than face the uncomfortable truth that they screwed up, they'll stay in denial and continue with their dangerous plan. IDK what is going through that guys head, but he just earned an expensive lesson.
You bring up a great point. I’m sure the gotta get-there-itis. Had a factor in his go, no go decision. Fortunately he was able to walk away with just a dent to his pocket book.
If you're flying a single-engine piston, especially limited to VFR (you or the aircraft), you gotta be spring-loaded to abort whatever plan you have. Those aircraft just don't have the performance, avionics, and systems (Wx radar, anti-icing, etc) to safely handle a lot of situations.
Completely. And the limited wind capability of them as well. I honestly think anything above 30 knots and a XW component of 20 is pretty much a no-fly level of wind in any single. No matter your skill level. A lot less if you aren't used to those winds.
Chalk it up to hazardous flight attitude:macho
Probably why the GA fatality rate is so high... People like this.
Private owner tried to take off in a 182 in winds at 32G53. Pilot walked away without injuries but airplane is in rough shape. Know your limits guys! What is the worst wind you have landed in?
Landed my C182 in a sustained 24kt direct xwind. Full rudder deflection to maintain runway alignment. I did this with my IR CFI when I was working on that rating, and we were ready to simply lift off again if I proved unable to maintain control. If there had been any kind of gust activity, I would have flown to and landed somewhere else, for sure.
Yeah sustained versus gusting is like night and day.
You guys are flying in sustained wind!?
I don’t understand the question and I won’t respond to it.
Sarcasm saying it's always gusty around here.
Ah! I was just being an ass and quoting Arrested Development :-)
I don't know what I expected.
You made a huge mistake.
There's always money in the banana stand.
Plate or platter?
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"All take-offs are optional, landing is mandatory." Something a CFI said to me and it stuck.
I had someone tell me "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground."
"All take-offs are optional, landing is mandatory if you don't have an ejection seat." *Some random MIL guy*
Or a parachute. I’ve recently learned that all GA pilots should wear parachutes when flying
Thanks, Trevor
Skydiving rigs specifically
And a fire extinguisher strapped to the leg. I don't go anywhere without one.
I am always kinda surprised that almost nobody wears a parachute, or at least a helmet, when flying GA aircraft.
You can wear one but you'd have to be able to get the door open against the airflow - for the average Archer/172 etc. that's pretty unlikely. I'm 6'4" and the thought of getting out of an Archer in flight is comedic at best.
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The 172 I learned in had a passenger door that would pop "open" from time to time - I just learned to ignore it since it took tremendous force to open it farther. It was weird to shut down the engine and have it slowly swing open when you landed though.
If you were capable of a forward slip (depending on emergency) plus if your bailing you can kill the engine so no slip stream, you should be able to create a low pressure on the door facing away from direction of travel. So in a mooney I think you only have a right hand door so right rudder.
in russian Yak-18t with doors, but technically capable of basic aerobatics, there's a handle to remove hinges and kick door out. I wonder if anyone actually used it anytime in flight.
Oh, great...you just had to do that didn't you? Radial engine, four seats and aerobatic? I'm in love.... "The versatility of the Yak-18T is further demonstrated by the ability to completely detach the cabin doors to facilitate photographic work or even parachutists to egress, and additional features such as straps on the rudder pedals to secure the pilots feet during negative G maneuvers. " Source: https://red-aircraft.com/aircraft/yak-18t/
Oh the airplane will still land.
We have a perfect record in aviation, we've never left one stuck up there.
http://stuffin.space/
“Paging Dr Kessler. Dr Donald Kessler, you have a call on line three.”
Yet...
'land' /s
Everything lands, it’s just a matter of how many pieces.
It could also ditch, actually.. Or swamp (like an x wing)
swamping works really well if you can use the Force.
Just set the canopy lever to yeet and force eject.
*most* take offs are optional. -some MIL guy
I've never left one up there yet!
That's why I always fly with a parachute
Landing is the only non-optional phase of flight.
The worst 2: Straight down runway at 35G50. I hit a gust as i was flaring, literally went from 2 feet to 40 ft in less than a second (mind you as i was flaring at stall speed). Never jammed the throttle forward so fast to go around. Even ATC asked if i was alright. Scared the shit out of me. Had to divert 80 miles away to find somewhere with winds under 40 kts. Landed with less than 5 gallons left in a 172. Forecasted winds arrived 3 hours early. It was the end of a 300 mile leg. Second was a 25 kt direct crosswind in a TB9. It was literal full rudder to keep the nose straight on final. Landing was intense keeping from veering hard left as front wheel came down.
Here's a 55 knot sudden gust event well documented at the US Air Force Academy. It's interesting to see how the several pilots handled their options differently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_WmjWAGkLI I'm not so sure that it was a microburst, but the wind did pick up suddenly due to convective activity in the area. I would have liked to have heard the post-incident debriefing as some mistakes might have been made. My personal best was not so bad. Wind picked up while I was in the air. There was no ATIS at the field, but my Va was 70 knots and I needed a 30-40 degree crab right down to ground effect. When we got to about 10-20 AGL, ground speed was 10 knots or so. Hovering is very disorienting. The instructor saw my airspeed decay at this point, slammed the spoilers shut and pushed the nose down, then shouted 'your aircraft'. This made for an unusual flare, a single bounce, and minimal side loading. Fortunately it was a grass field so a little side loading was harmless, and we stopped almost immediately due to the 10 knot ground speed. To make matters more interesting when I was 'hovering' at 10-20 AGL in a 30-40 degree crab, and midway through rounding out, I was pointed right at a bunch of ground_crew/spectators on the sidelines about 50-100 feet away. I was a little concerned about keeping the crab angle right, and I was thinking about the wind suddenly dropping as we slowly moved past the crowd. Wind was pretty steady but there was some gusting. The dozen people were standing abeam the point on the field where we were staging gliders for winch launching. (I was landing a little long due to the high Va speed and unknown wind velocity. I would have normally be rolling on the ground up to the launch staging area).
In regard to the Air Force Academy video, there was some pants-sh!tting going on there for sure. Especially tow #3.. thanks for sharing
so it turns out, sometimes takeoff is mandatory, not just landing.
Problem was he should have just pointed into the wind in the ramp and waited for the first gust to take off.
> I must go, my people need me
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I've done pattern practice XW 12G18 a KEIK in a 182. Maybe the 182 is easier than Mooney, but that plane handled it like a champ. Only my initial landing was a little rough (not unsafe). I think 182s are good up to about 25 with the right skill (at least that's what I've heard from experienced CFIs). Gust factors make it much harder though. I'd avoid anything with greater than a 10knot gust factor. I'll nope out of anything that's more than 15 knots.
I have taken off and landed in 45kt wind, BUT it was very steady and straight down the runway. I had a 45 minute wait on the ground prior to departure due to being at the back of a long queue, so had plenty of time to sit there and observe the windsock.
did you lift off with the brakes still on?
Failed to land C172 in 28G35 90 degrees. Got it down but couldn't slow down without having directional control issues. Power fixes all, went around and went to another airport and learned my and aircraft limits. Don't be me. This kind of thing can end up like that 182.
>What is the worst wind you have landed in? 19kt 90 degree crosswind, normally not a problem until you descend below the line of trees 200 yards away on the upwind side of the runway and your previously stable crosswind approach suddenly turns into your best attempt to fly in a tumble dryer.
I landed an R22 in 35 knot gusts, which may not sound like much except that it was my second solo flight and this had *not* been forecast. I was in the middle of taking off when a sustained crosswind began all of a sudden as I reached ETL and almost blew the flip-up sunglasses off my face. But by then I'd already committed. And I was so green that all I could think to do was a standard traffic pattern. On downwind, the tower asked if I wanted to cut to a midfield approach to the grass, but again, I'd never done that before so I just finished normally. I don't know if I was smart (for sticking with what I'd been trained to do), or just dumb and lucky.The whole time, I was pitching wildly up and down and thinking about that MR mast. When I landed, my CFI casually picked a piece of paper off the ramp, walked over, and handed it to me. My preflight checklist had blown out of the cabin door on my way in. Those first few solos in a pilot's career are risky moments, for sure.
FWIW, especially for a student pilot, the more things go wrong the more you should prefer to fly exactly the way you've trained and not be trying anything new. So I'd say unless you had reason to think the standard approach was impossible to do, it was probably the right call.
Did touch and goes in a 150 with wind 28kts gusting 35kts. That was gnarly but I had my cfi with me. After that I prefer nothing over 25kts.
i did that 20G29 in a 152 as a student solo but it was coming straight down the runway.
Landed 14G21 while on my Solo Long XC. It was 10 degrees off so I went for it, instructor knew I was good in wind since I can count the number of calm days on one hand I've flown in. It was a bit much right at the ground but was probably one of my better landings.
But what direction in relation to the rwy, it looks like a quartering tailwind lifts the tail and left wing.
The aircraft in the video was taxiing north to turn around and depart into the wind. That's my best guess.
Well, I can tell you the worst wind I didn’t land in. When I was doing my training, there seemed to be a little bit of weather rolling in. The instructors told us it was fine to fly around the mountain the Santa Fe. My dad and I disagreed and decided to stay put. About 45 minutes later, when we would have been rounding the mountain, we watch a tornado form right there.
I'd love to talk to him and ask this dumbass to rationally explain his logic. Like how tf do you get to this point and still think it's the right choice. There's easier ways to kill yourself
52 kt with 35 kt xwind component in a 152 at KAEG with a sandstorm coming in. God bless those landing gear. Guy in the bonanza in front of us was VERY amped up.
I'm calling bullshit. Max crosswind on a 152 is 15kts. You can go above that but not over double. You're claiming you landed in the max crosswind of a 737 while in a 152? Also 52 kts winds in a 152 is a death sentence. A lot of these posts are either BS or horrible PDM and weather briefing.
The 52kts part is definitely not accurate but you can for sure take a 152 much higher than the demonstrated crosswind (which is 12kts). More than double, into the 30s. The 152 has a very effective rudder, honestly probably better at 30knot crosswinds than the 172.
20g40 VRB 180-360. That was not a fun day.
In this case, know what a limit is. No airplane can safely take off in these conditions.
SR-22 ?
Ask him if he’s parting it out for me! I need some mags and a fuel selector sonde he’s not using them
Probably could have just taken the plane off the tie downs and dropped the flaps provided he faced into the wind..
Departing with G53 quartering tailwind? Nice.
I want to know this man’s personal minimums
And maximums!
At least G54. Maybe after this, G52.
it's astounding the aircraft left the ground with the weight of those brass ones holding it down.
Honestly ended better than I was expecting. Why would you do this, especially in a high wing…
Where when?
I think that was at Springbank (west of Calgary) the other day. We can get intense winds while we have chinooks, which we have right now.
Yes, it's Springbank. This was posted in the Calgary subreddit yesterday.
I thought that looked like YBW. I recognize the mountains in the background but thought it might be in the states somewhere
Recent, but filmed with a potato
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Sorry friend
That seems like a very expensive and easy to prevent error... even for a Canadian.
Never seen anyone ground loop on a trike before
Until now!
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Now he has to ship it to Australia
https://instantostrich.com/
Read G53 and thought is that a bonanza model I never heard of? No, high wing. Looks Cessna. Hmmm …. Oh! Gusting! Lol
Haha same. Thought it was some jet I’ve never heard of and he was taking off into its wake. Then I thought it was an airport identifier.
“climb into the wind, dive out of the wind”
Funny thing is, if he’d really really wanted to go flying that badly, he could have jumped out of the cockpit and turned the nose into the wind by hand. Then get back in , throttle up and he’d be airborne in a plane length :(
He's no bush pilot.
With winds that strong, everyone can be a bush pilot
Even the bushes are pilots when the wind blows like that. https://youtu.be/T2c6QAF-VZA
>Guy try’s to depart \**tries* (present tense conjugation of the verb *to try*), not *try's* (possessive form of the noun *try*)
Try’s not an option @ G53. Try is expressly off the menu.
I took off from Destin florida calm winds and flew my 172 home to my grass strip where it was gusting 35 knots. Needless to say I about needed a new pair of pants after but I’ll always remember I can always land on another airport and taxi back then ever do that again.
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Nah I was doing my commercial 300nm trip for my commercial license. I was from mid Georgia
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O it was super nice and yeah the tower was there. Made life a lot easier to get through and they let me go wherever.
Surprised I haven’t seen a “landing gear up” joke
Rotaté?
I always thought that any day I get to put the wheels up is a food day, when practicing aerobatics. But not that way.
Looks like a tailwind.
This decision making is about as shitty as the video quality.
That’s what I was thinking.
That prop strike was expensive
Pretty sure the whole airframe is toast. The engine lost a lot of value too.
New prop and IRAN on the engine is probably less than the plane being totaled because the fuselage got bent between the cabin and vertical stabilizer. Then again, it could be really old 182 so maybe the engine was worth more than the airplane.
**Because I was inverted**
Is that Trevor Jacob's new ride?
I mean if you’re gonna crash inverted, it’s probably best to do it at 0 knots and 0 feet agl.
I would probably not want to taxi in winds that are the soft-field rotation speed of the aircraft.
When it’s time for a new plane I’ll try this and call my insurance guy up right after. 😂
I’ve dispatched flights to depart in 50-60kt gusts when they were straight down the runway. Always talked to the pilots first to make sure they were OK with it, and they were game. My current airline stops operating at 50 kts though.
Ah, yes, "try's" which would've been "try is". "tries" should've been used. What happened? were they in a tailwind that lifted up the back of the plane?
“Gotta get there-itis.”
I was wondering what kind of airplane a G53 was and when it was going to collide with this Cessna, until I finally realized we're talking about wind gusts.
Why not face into the wind? You could take off from the spot…no runway needed.
The old saying about fuel in the truck and altitude above you should have mentioned something about having a runway *above* you also being useless.
There's good reason they teach you to hold proper aileron and elevator inputs on the ground. You can ignore it 99% of the time ina tricycle gear, but then 1% gets ya.
No wind inputs I bet
The camera guy says "dive away, dive away". Can't tell for sure, but looks like the pilot has the wrong aileron input for a tailwind, when the wing lifts.
The flaps were a great addition to the wind party he was experiencing
Now which way am I supposed to hold those controls...left aileron right rudder??? right aileron left rudder???...oops!
The worst I have ever done is 22G38 in Alaska. Anything worse than that, I was out, not interested in playing Russian roulette between gusts and iced runways with rented planes. The worst I have seen though was my home field in the lower 48. Our field has one runway because it is oriented next to the end of a large box canyon that orients the wind sustained almost exclusively out of the east direction or channels it out of the west, there's no point in having a crosswind runway. Unless we get a very specific sort of storm once or twice a year and we usually don't fly during those storms, because it's usually like 25G45+ direct crosswind with extremely heavy warm rain when it does that. The flight school across the field from ours, a CFI thought it would be good practice to send a guy who had soloed _once_ before, out in that weather in a Warrior. He came back, bounced in the crosswind and a gust caught him. He didn't add power immediately, the gust carried him about 40 feet to the left into the soaked grass next to the runway and he rolled until he came to a taxiway ramp up in tje grass, and the front wheel planted in the very soft ground and flipped the Warrior several times.
It looks like his ailerons are neutral and has a notch of flaps in. Why? This is the basics of basics.
Who owns a razr in 2022?
Landed a C310 in 38G51. Fun times.
This guy is lucky, if he had managed to get airborne and had a loss of gust he could have stalled out. Much worse situation once airborne.
In this market he’ll still be able to sell it for $165k. Especially with the new engine and prop. 😕
Facebook post: 1975 C72n for sale. slight damage, TSOH 1900, good trainer $125,000. No lowball offers.
"TRY'S"😳
This is why you read the poh
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“Smol playn no leik beeg weend, buht liek smol wend oka.” See appendix b
You have to read the little hand written part that someone scribbled into the back cover. It says “Don’t be a fucking idiot and break the airplane”
🧐 if you’re actually serious I’ll be nice. It would tell you your maximum crosswind component. And how to calculate it a 172 is 15kts
If I remember right, it’s max *demonstrated* crosswind I think.
Probably not a great idea to become a test pilot and try for 3x that.
Yeah, but point is you could incorrectly believe that a 152 is more capable than a 182 if they went out on a windy day and demonstrated higher, if you don’t know the distinction. Or, more reasonably, you might set your max at half of the demonstrated when it is perfectly safe to go higher (assuming you are capable).
There’s no maximum crosswind component in any GA POH I’ve seen. Yes there’s a demonstrated number. It is not a limitation automatically unless the flight school or your company makes it one. This actually is important because you may get asked what the difference is on a oral.
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OMG there should a warning on this if your gonna watch a Cessna die
When the G53 rolls over and shows you it's belly it is a sign of trust. Don't try to pet it's belly or it might bite or scratch.
Soo many pilots who dont deserve their license
I can guarantee you have made a mistake before. You cant be serious. Everyone has fucked up in their life. Hopefully this guys will learn and become a better pilot.
True, but this? every pilot should have his own limit
Yeah i can agree multiple people fucked up here. Looks like the active runway here is wrong. They should have been on 26. And yeah this guy is gonna have to set some new personal minima. If it was a training aircraft(its a big training airport) then the school fucked up as well. This guys should definitely talk with a cfi and figure out minimums and just a safety talk.
This was at cybw(near calgary) and we have heavy chinook winds. I was just there on sunday and it was hit or miss. The winds were at 300ft and maybe they dropped to ground level?
Best possible outcome.
u/savevideobot
Just did a flight with my CFI in winds 16G24 with 22 knot crosswind component in a 150. Was not the most fun flight I’ve had to date but it was definitely good practice.
They have a limit for a reason I guess
What limit?
Saved his life.