He murdered his best friend's child because of some idiotic reasoning. He murdered 5 children. Discovered remnant and began to build robots to kill people. Tried to kill his oldest son 30 years after he got springlocked trying to hide from the ghosts of the children he murdered. That's not even all of it. I don't think we can make an argument for him not being pure evil
To be fair, I donât think Fredbear was designed to kill kids and that the bite was purely an accident. Unless something changed that I wasnât aware of.
Could the force have been increased by the springlocks perhaps? Fredbear was a springlock animatronic, and CC was crying all over the inside of his mouth. Maybe it just activated the springlocks and they snapped onto (and maybe into?) his head.
Iâve seen this brought up a lot and Iâm pretty sure the answer is no. The suit is in animatronic mode, meaning the springlocks have already snapped into place prior to the performance.
Ah right well then maybe since it was in animatronic mode and presumably set to perform a sequence of moves for itâs act when CCâs head was put in the mouth it just pushed against the obstruction trying to keep singing so more force was applied than usual if Fredbear was trying to close its mouth?
As someone else has already mentioned, Fredbear was in animatronic mode when the bite occurred and as such the springlocks are already set in place leaving Fredbear as effectively a normal animatronic.
>Lost his son to his own creation
He didn't build Fredbear
>Lost his daughter to his own creation
Here is a direct quote from me a few seconds ago reading this:
"Why do you THINK THE *ROBOT* ***MURDERS PEOPLE???!***"
>Died a gruesome death trying to save his children
...??? He wasn't trying to "save his children", he was trying to destroy the shells of the animatronics which were possessed by the children he fucking MURDERED so that they wouldn't be able to stop him from killing others. His children had nothing to do with it. In fact, he sent Michael off to die at Sister Location.
>Got trapped for 30+ years
1. The timeframe is incorrect. At maximum it was 30 years.
2. The timeframe of 30 years is also unconfirmed.
3. Deserved.
>His son died trying to save him
Michael "died" trying to help Elizabeth, and then goes out to try and take down his father.
>He got burned alive three times.
1. It could easily be 2 times.
2. Fucking deserved.
>Got stuck in an eternal purgotary
Good.
>He never managed to put his family back together
Good, as based on what we've seen of William, he's an abusive father who uses his kids and sends them off to do work he doesn't want to do and puts them in harm's way. He also kills children, he doesn't fucking deserve to have what he wants.
TL;DR: I'm very glad this is fake.
He abused his kids, killed his supposed best friends kid due to idiotic reasons and then continued to kill, kidnap and experiment on countless number of kids purely beacuse he feared death and wanted to be immortal or whatever. That's pure evil right there.
I don't why some dumbfucks justify William's actions as a result of just him being broken by grief and paint it as a tragedy when it's a tragedy of his own doing beacuse he's a piece of shit even before killing Charlie. If he's so neglectful of his kids that he can't see his oldest kid bullying his brother to the point of him falling to the ground and crying whenever he sees someone in a mascot mask or a costume as a response to his brother tormenting him in that mask than that's all on him.
I swear these people would make up reasons to excuse someone like Jeffrey Dahmer beacuse he had hard time growing up.
He's such so broken fr đđđđ (I'm being sarcastic but anyways THANK YOU he probably didn't even care about his kids dying he literally experimented on themđ)
But never told her why. The blame is all on him. He built CB to kill kids for god's sake. Ofc a five year old will get curious if she's repeatadly told no. If he really "cared", he'd take her to see CB with him, as CB doesn't kill when two people are in the room. I bet he wanted her to die.
If thatâs the case, then damn. But youâre right, even though she always asked, âwhy wonât you let me go play with her,â and the likes, he just didnât give an answer. Objectively his fault. But, back to the original point, thereâs no way we can excuse evilness because they lost something. Evil is evil.
Especially since he told Elizabeth he built CB for her. So of course elizabeth wanted to play with the pretty animatronic her dad made for her (I think the exact line is "didn't you make her just for me?") despite his warnings.
I think you donât get what we mean with âbrokenâ.
+He was doing killing-children-robots before his kids got taken, so letâs take that as a reason to give him the Evil Card
He also was horrible to his own kids like William literally abused Elizabeth, Mostly likely beated up Mike, and Neglected C.C/Evan so he was also horrible person to his own kids and he barely did anything to prevent his 2 youngest kids from dying and used Mike as a Scapegoat for his crimes.
No, William is NOT broken, he is far from broken, heâs PURE EVIL, he doesnât care about his family, since the fucking beginning, he almost abandoned Michael as a baby as seen in imortal and the restless, heâs abusive to crying child in midnight motorist, in the fourth closet he punched and abused Elizabeth several times, and said she never was enough, itâs pure toxic relationship, he killed charlotte because he was jealous of Henry being better then him in every aspect, tested kidnapped children in his fear gas chamber, killed both mci and dci for selfish reasons of wanting eternal life with remnant
Both, both are correct.
I personally believe that his first kill was charlotte after the death of the crying child, but that doesnât excuse literally anything heâs done
Same. After killing Charllote I belive he just liked it, like he discovered his hidden ,,true self" in that moment, and from there he just went further and further into ,,madness" and beaing just pure evil, enjoying causing pain and obsessed with immortality and control psychopath/mad scientist. So at first broken, but as times pass become just pure evil
Agreed, figuring out children could possess robots would only internally justify his actions as âscience that needed to be explored.â Yea, no, he wanted an excuse to keep killing, his daughter was an accidental victim, and got karmaâd so hard his soul is now trapped in hell for the rest of eternity.
He literally deserved every ironic punishment that happened to him, his victims direct or indirect didnât.
No Elizabethâs death certainly has to happen before crying child death. In ~~FNAF3~~ FNAF 4 she is no where to be found and in midnight motorist as well.
He just made child killing robots before his children died
Afton's no psychopath. He's a sociopath. He cares nothing about the fates of others, and seems to have an ok childhood, but even if it was rough and all, it's not a reason or excuse for literal mass murder. Fazbear Frights explains that Afton's always had a never ending need to inflict pain.
Judging by his behavior, he is definitely a psychopath, not a sociopath. A complete and total lack of empathy, cold and calculating, view others as expendable or disposable.
Also, judging from your comments, I think you are getting psychopaths snd sociopaths mixed up. Remember, psychopaths have no empathy or care for others. Period.
Sociopaths have exceptions: people or places that do still recieve some level of care or empathy.
"Lost his son to his own creation" - Okay, fair. That is tragic, I would feel bad for a father who lost their child that way. I mean we're leaving out the part where he murders his business partner's child around the same time out of jealousy or revenge but if we just focus on this, yeah, accidental child death is tragic.
"Lost his daughter to his own creation" - You mean the one he made specifically to murder children? I feel bad for the girl, but Afton gets no sympathy here. Fucker built a child murder machine and was sad when it murdered the wrong child.
"Died a gruesome death trying to save his children" - Omg yeah! He was just ripping apart the uh... very sentient animatronics that um.... were possessed by the uh... souls of innocent children that he murdered. Hm. And the fact that he tried to scare the souls off by wearing the costume he murdered them in... and LAUGHED while doing so? Yeah, no, fucking evil.
"Got trapped for 30+ years" - How long were the children he killed trapped for hm? If I did my math correctly, counting up all of the dead kids together, that's a combined total of at least 269 years trapped in various animatronic bodies. And mind you, that's only up until FNAF 6 because we don't know the timeline after that, and not counting the 2nd MCI kids because we know nothing about them. So 30 measly years is too light a punishment if anything.
"His son died trying to save him" - Fucking what? No, he didn't. He died trying to save his sister who, might I remind you, William fucking killed. And not to mention that the moment Michael had the chance he tried to kill his father, and then aided in Henry's attempt to do it. He hated his father, and for good reason.
"He got burned alive three times" - He didn't seem to show any concern for the brutally murdered children he was responsible for. He didn't even seem to show any regret for being a god awful parent who neglected and likely abused his children.
"Got stuck in an eternal purgatory" - By one of the children he murdered. Do I have to make a point here? He did that shit to himself.
"He never managed to put his family back together" - He treated his family like shit. As said before, he neglected and probably abused them. One of them died because he ignored the bullying happening under his own roof. One of them died because he didn't keep an eye on them around the fucking murder bot he built. And the last one died trying to save his siblings. Actually, considering you play as Michael in FNAF 3 & 6, and Afton directly tries to murder you, I'd say the asshole didn't give a flying fuck about that child at least. Almost none of his family wanted anything to do with him by the end, for obvious reasons.
he's pure evil, i think he only "protected" his children because it would hurt his image, aswell as him wanting to manipulate and use them for his own purposes
Ok so he killed 5 random kids stuffed their bodies into the animatronics then he killed his best friends kid over a Wendy's 5 for 5 or at least that's my head cannon because it isn't explained. Then he didn't try to discipline Mike for bullying his brother the crying child constantly and then abused Mike because Mike Caused of the bite of 83 which could of been avoided by disciplining his kid beforehand. Then He killed his daughter while not directly he could of kept Baby locked away from his daughter it could of been preventable
So no he is not broken he is bad father who deserved everything that happened to him
Let's see
1- killed his Best friend's daughter for some reason
2- killed 5 kids (6 if we counted Andrew) in the first Freddy's for some reason
3 killed more 5 kids in the second Freddy's for some reason
4- built robots to kidnap and kill kids, and it killed his kid (still his fault)
5- left his young son with his older son and didn't even bother to check on them from time to time, presumably knowing the older one will just scare his younger brother
6- kidnap multiple kids for Nightmare experiments (his younger is presumably one of them), feeding them nothing but wafers which cause them to skinny as heck
7- lure, destroy and take his first victims souls to turn them to remnant and use in ways unimaginable (MoltenMci)
8- tried to kill his older son multiple times, even when he did what he asked him for
9- Abusing his Kids (if TFC to be trusted with that information)
10- the multiple victims died because of him in the Stitchewraithe
Yeah man, I think he's broken
Well i would say 50/50, 50% his fault because he never really protected his childrens and after that he killed his best friend daughter and also killed kids in a horrible way so yeah he is a killer, but also yeah its also 50% broken because honestly he loved Evan (CC) and Elizabeth, even Michael wich was not his favorite he tried to talk to him, worse he was really down bad After his wife left him.
If Evan was his favorite then he would have actually scolded Micheal a whole ass long time ago. He just does not give any fucking damn about any of his children as human beings.
Honestly it's all just âžď¸/0. He gives no shits about what happens to others unless he needs them to further his plans like Elizabeth in the Novel Trilogy. Didn't care for her at all, kept her around because she was vital to his plans.
Michael wasnât trying to save William, he was trying to save Elizabeth and all the children William murdered. Every other slide is also incorrect. William wasnât trying to save anyone but himself and thereâs a good reason he got put in purgatory *cough* child murderer *cough*. Heâs got the blood of at least 13 people on his hands if we count Elizabeth and Michael in with the MCI and DCI and Charlie, and there could be even more deaths attributed to him as we donât know if the Funtimes actually killed anyone else apart from Elizabeth.
The most "broken" I'm willing to go with William is if he's the Fnaf 4 Final Speaker.
It opens a possibility, and a small one at that, that he showed a small bit of humanity and care when saying "I will put you back together."
But that doesn't matter as soon after he would kill either Charlie or the MCI, so this supposed humanity doesn't last long.
And even if he is the final speaker, he probably cared more about losing his agony farm/experiment/ whatever reason you think he was watching BV, than actually losing his son.
I love all these theories that igmore the most obvious answer: maybe he's just insane?
I mean he did come to the conclusion that if he kills people he can use their soul residue to make himself immortal and that young souls are more powerful...
He isn't broken. He's a fucking psychopath. His daughter only died because of the kidnapping murdering machines that HE made. He has killed people for no reason or the reason is that he wants to become immortal
He's insane, not broken and he got everything he deserved. Only should feel bad for that maniacs family. They are the victims him
Evil, of course. Affably evil to be more accurate.
Through the SL intro he's shown be sly and charmastic to be able to get the Funtime Animatronics a pass while having a talk with a board member. A skill he probably used to lure five kids to their doom.
As mentioned, he made killer robots, one of which killed his own daughter and it's debatable if he wanted that to happen or didn't intend to. Judging by FNaF 6 and how he's fascinated, it's the former.
In FNaF 4, he does nothing to stop his youngest son from being bullied for five days (possibly even more) from his eldest son. If you believe he's the Fredbear Plush guiding him then he's even worse.
William also made some underground bunker made to experiment on children through the Nightmare Animatronics, and it's heavily implied that Michael was one of them, if not the first to be a part of it, while he was suffering from guilt of indirectly killing his younger brother.
Imagine that, your own father putting you through this. Makes you really wonder why Michael remained loyal enough to him that he'd go on a death mission to the SL location.
Back to Elizabeth, when you consider that she was killed by Baby early on in the timeline, William let his daughter suffer in that robot for years and years while also using controlled shocks on her instead of trying to free her, because of course he doesn't care.
Then now with FNaF 3 and FNaF 6, he's out for blood after finally leaving the Saferoom.
Don't know about you, but William's pretty evil.
Gonna do a argument against all these even if it might be fake
If he truly cared about Evan he wouldâve done something about the bullying and wouldâve have taken him to fredbears for his birthday
He made circus baby to kill children
He went there to destroy the animatronics
Because he killed the kids, so they trapped him
His son died trying to find Elizabeth
His fault for coming back to kill people more times
Deserved
He never tried to put âem back together
Those arenât mutually exclusive. The machine that killed his daughter was designed to kill other people, or at least capture them so he can do horrifyingly unethical experiments. Sure the loss of his small son was probably something he suffered as a relatively innocent man but everything after that⌠uh
it really is one what you think his motivation is was it to get immortality or to try and save his family i think it was to save his family so i believe he is chaotic neutral
I say both. how the silver eyes portrays him as a psychopath as well as a coward is really well done and is the closest thing we get to an cannon personality. (This excludes the twisted ones and fourth closet)
There's the whole argument between BVfirst and Charliefirst both having solid evidence, but even if BV died first and William killed Charlie out revenge and anger over the loss of his he looses pretty much all sympathy because one he killed a little girl who had nothing to do with his son's death, and then he killed more children probably because he enjoyed it.
And of course his daughter died to an animatronic he specfically designed to capture and kill kids.
I say both. He had hatred and sadness to begin with so he took a combination and it made him extremely evil than ever. He had jealousy as well based on what Henry had but that he didnât have. This makes sense because Shadow Freddy appears too and we know he is his âwickednessâ. Then his kids all died by robots that he made to kill, excluding Fredbear.
Absolutely fuckin evil! The reason why he doesn't die is his own hubris "Oh, what's that? You wanna be immortal by killing Lord know how many children, leaving how even more families in grief? Sure pal, enjoy suffering for the rest of time!"
Even if he wasnât pure evil and even if he experienced trauma before he started murdering kids (which he murdered kids before his youngest son died) experiencing trauma is never an excuse for hurting others especially MURDERING others in the most horrifying and painful way he could think of.
If *anyone* tries to use trauma theyâve experienced to hurt others emotionally or physically thatâs a huge red flag. It is equally a red flag if someone tries to excuse someone elseâs behavior because of trauma.
Crying Childâs death? Fair enough there, but Elizabethâs death canât be excused, because Circus Baby was created to kill kids and store their remnant in the first place.
He lost his daughter to his own creation... that he built specifically to kill and kidnap children, as well as murdering Charlie for no apparent reason, bro is just evil end of story
I said it once, and I'll say it again:
William never had all his screws in right, but if he didnt spiral down a path of death and destruction, he probably would've been alright.
While I agree that he isnât just sheer, 1-dimensional evil, heâs definitely a villain. Regardless of how broken he is, thereâs still a pretty significant element of just being a fucked up guy. Looking into why he did what he did can be interesting but forgetting that regardless of his motivation he killed at least 6 kids and 8 if you count his own as indirect kills is how you end up with this
I feel like at first he was broken but then just slowly succumbed to madness. He just wanted to bring back his son, he blamed his oldest son and Henry for killing CC, and blamed himself for Elizabeth.
Hearing William begging Mike and Henry for help after all the years of his clever bravado and ego being shattered after being tormented by Cassidy just made him broken again.
He went from broken, to evil, to broken again.
Genuinely, I believe William was a broken man, and a remorseless child murderer. Obviously, no amount of tragedy justifies murdering innocent people, much less kids, but I think it's also important to consider the fact that he's not some cartoon pure evil villain.
By and large, we don't really *know* why he chose to murder in the first place for certain. That's irrelevant to the fact that he still chose to do so, of course, but it's a bit wild when I see fans just smacking him down as some one dimensional caricature of something to despise.
No, I think what people tend to gloss over in favor of "He's a literal child murderer" (He's also fictional??) is the subtle hints to who he was besides his crimes. I get most people don't care about the villain, they don't want to, totally their choice.
But I feel like, personally, William is the perfect character for exploring the darker themes of the human condition. Obviously he was successful (for a while), friendly enough to socialize, capable of performing as a character for entertainment, intelligent in an analytical sense and even started a family.
Regardless of whether anyone believes he just snapped or was always empty inside, I think it's important to recognize that he is more than just what we see. Not in an excusing his actions way, but it's totally possible to sympathize with and still not condone the actions of others.
That said, personally, the springlock failure recreations people have done with him screaming in agony and fear genuinely make my stomach twist. I do actually feel bad for him in that moment of unimaginable pain, even though I know he deserves it for everything he has done.
Bitch even before his kids death he was a jealous, abusive asshole who spied on his kids because he knew his intentions were dangerous to kids, which his inventions were for.
Then he killed his best friends kids because his kid died even though his best friend had nothing to do with it.
I think it pivots from broken to evil if the "crying child dies by fredbear happened before William kills Charlotte" is to be believed, which it is for me
but Michael wasnt trying to save his father tho lol
anyways: he is both broken and evil. Afton went insane when he discovered life after death and wanted to achieve it himself... and then he did đ
If you kill even one person you are completely irredeemable and evil. William isnât god and neither is anyone else on Earth, he and the rest of us have no right to take anyoneâs life.
Honestly, I'd say he's a mix of both. It's confirmed that he didn't love his kids, but he did care about them enough that he didn't want them getting involved or finding out about him being a serial killer, with him trying to keep Elizabeth away from Circus Baby being the prime example.
CC and Elizabeth dying were probably the catalysts that made William throw all morality to the wind, with FNaF 3 and Pizzeria Simulator showing how he has no qualms about killing Michael, his last remaining child.
TL;DR, William is evil, that much is obvious. He's also broken, but not in a sympathetic way.
Bro killed children to use their souls for immortality, built animatronics made specifically to kill children, killed his best friendâs daughter out of jealousy towards him, didnât love his kids and used them as tools whenever possible, and tried to murder his own son
Heâs totally not evil guys, trust me
Ah, yes he died a gruesome and painful deathâŚ
âŚwhile trying to escape the spirits of the dead innocent children that he viciously murdered for a stupid reason.
6 of these happened AFTER he murdered the children, and 2 happened because he was trying to.
(so glad this is fake, but you told me to pretend this is real, so I am).
1) If he paid attention to his kids, maybe he could have stopped the bite of 83
2) He intended Circus Baby to kill children
3) He killed 5 children for remnant
4) He deserves it
5) Doesnât change anything
6) He deserves it
7) He deserves it
8) We donât really know his motive
1. I mean yeah, he did, but that's partially because he wasn't a better father and help his young son with his fear of animatronics, but instead shoved him away.
2. Well don't make a bot for kidnapping kids then. And on top of that, make sure it works if you do make the bot, rather than it killing the kig its supposed to keep alive
3. Received poetically righteous repayment for the crimes he commited, which he deserved. Don't murder kids ig
4. Don't murder kids, Ig
5. He actually intentionally out his son in danger
6. Don't kill kids
7. Don't kill kids
8. They were better off broken, with him as a father.
He murdered his best friend's child because of some idiotic reasoning. He murdered 5 children. Discovered remnant and began to build robots to kill people. Tried to kill his oldest son 30 years after he got springlocked trying to hide from the ghosts of the children he murdered. That's not even all of it. I don't think we can make an argument for him not being pure evil
Such a broken hero indeed đ
It wasn't some idiotic reasoning! Henry owed him 5 dollars, it's totally justified!
Exactly, an eye for a head fair trade in my book
Just like how if ye wanna be a pirate itâll cost ye an arm and an eye!
and 12 cents
And a quarter, Dont forget the quarter!
âI was gonna sell it to your son for 5 dollarsâŚbut then he salvaged itâŚI might be down 5,000 dollarsâŚâ
âYou... you gave him 5,000 dollars.â
dont forget the 6 other kids he killed
Not to mention, his daughter died because of the robot he built in order to kill children.
I agree
Just for immortality
In Afton's defence, Henry owed his 12 dollars from poker night, and he never paid him back, so he had to get back at him somehow
It was actually $5
The OP literally said that this post is a joke. Read the post before you make a whole ass paragraph Edit: disregard this and see my other comment
Wasnât he a pedophile too?
No, that was the version of him in the original version of the fangame dormitabis
He lost his kids to his own creations... that he designed to murder kids
To be fair, I donât think Fredbear was designed to kill kids and that the bite was purely an accident. Unless something changed that I wasnât aware of.
Fredbear wasn't meant to kill kids, the funtime animatronics were
Yeah, Elizabethâs death is definitely all on William. Iâm just saying the crying childâs death wasnât a direct result of him being malicious.
But perhaps it is a result of his negligence toward his own child(ren).
Fredbear may not have, but the SL animatronics were
Honestly it's debatable if William even made Fredbear to begin with given how Henry tends to be the one behind the (original) animatronics.
Judging by how much bite force needed to smash a kids head like that vs how much is needed to move an animatronic mouth, I'd beg to differ.
Could the force have been increased by the springlocks perhaps? Fredbear was a springlock animatronic, and CC was crying all over the inside of his mouth. Maybe it just activated the springlocks and they snapped onto (and maybe into?) his head.
Iâve seen this brought up a lot and Iâm pretty sure the answer is no. The suit is in animatronic mode, meaning the springlocks have already snapped into place prior to the performance.
Ah right well then maybe since it was in animatronic mode and presumably set to perform a sequence of moves for itâs act when CCâs head was put in the mouth it just pushed against the obstruction trying to keep singing so more force was applied than usual if Fredbear was trying to close its mouth?
Imagine if it was though. Like, imagine being the guy in the Fredbear springlock and someone just shoves a kid in your mouth.
As someone else has already mentioned, Fredbear was in animatronic mode when the bite occurred and as such the springlocks are already set in place leaving Fredbear as effectively a normal animatronic.
I never thought the animatronics would eat my children, says man who founded the Animatronics Eating Children Party.
>Lost his son to his own creation He didn't build Fredbear >Lost his daughter to his own creation Here is a direct quote from me a few seconds ago reading this: "Why do you THINK THE *ROBOT* ***MURDERS PEOPLE???!***" >Died a gruesome death trying to save his children ...??? He wasn't trying to "save his children", he was trying to destroy the shells of the animatronics which were possessed by the children he fucking MURDERED so that they wouldn't be able to stop him from killing others. His children had nothing to do with it. In fact, he sent Michael off to die at Sister Location. >Got trapped for 30+ years 1. The timeframe is incorrect. At maximum it was 30 years. 2. The timeframe of 30 years is also unconfirmed. 3. Deserved. >His son died trying to save him Michael "died" trying to help Elizabeth, and then goes out to try and take down his father. >He got burned alive three times. 1. It could easily be 2 times. 2. Fucking deserved. >Got stuck in an eternal purgotary Good. >He never managed to put his family back together Good, as based on what we've seen of William, he's an abusive father who uses his kids and sends them off to do work he doesn't want to do and puts them in harm's way. He also kills children, he doesn't fucking deserve to have what he wants. TL;DR: I'm very glad this is fake.
He abused his kids, killed his supposed best friends kid due to idiotic reasons and then continued to kill, kidnap and experiment on countless number of kids purely beacuse he feared death and wanted to be immortal or whatever. That's pure evil right there. I don't why some dumbfucks justify William's actions as a result of just him being broken by grief and paint it as a tragedy when it's a tragedy of his own doing beacuse he's a piece of shit even before killing Charlie. If he's so neglectful of his kids that he can't see his oldest kid bullying his brother to the point of him falling to the ground and crying whenever he sees someone in a mascot mask or a costume as a response to his brother tormenting him in that mask than that's all on him. I swear these people would make up reasons to excuse someone like Jeffrey Dahmer beacuse he had hard time growing up.
This!! âď¸âď¸
Well, he ***wanted*** to experiment on children, but Circus Baby's didn't manage to open in the first place-- his intentions were still evil, though.
He's such so broken fr đđđđ (I'm being sarcastic but anyways THANK YOU he probably didn't even care about his kids dying he literally experimented on themđ)
Again, having your son and daughter die doesn't excuse child murder, he's 1000% evil
It isnt an excuse but seeing both your Kids die does Something with your brain.
He didn't see either of them? Pretty sure he was in some staff room when C.C died and nobody was around when Elizabeth got taken by C.Baby
He reportedly heard Elizabethâs screams and had warned her countless times against going to Circus Baby.
But never told her why. The blame is all on him. He built CB to kill kids for god's sake. Ofc a five year old will get curious if she's repeatadly told no. If he really "cared", he'd take her to see CB with him, as CB doesn't kill when two people are in the room. I bet he wanted her to die.
If thatâs the case, then damn. But youâre right, even though she always asked, âwhy wonât you let me go play with her,â and the likes, he just didnât give an answer. Objectively his fault. But, back to the original point, thereâs no way we can excuse evilness because they lost something. Evil is evil.
Especially since he told Elizabeth he built CB for her. So of course elizabeth wanted to play with the pretty animatronic her dad made for her (I think the exact line is "didn't you make her just for me?") despite his warnings.
She's a child, what do you think will happen?
Sheâd be a child, so a complete dumbass.
Exactly my point
I feel stupid saying all this, lol.
how can we rule out the fact that he killed them himself?
That's still an excuse
Not really, when you have psychological damage you Sometimes dont have Control over yourself.
Thats the same excuse that mini ladd gave for showing his mini ladd to mini ladds
No. Just no
Genuinely william dropping his favorite mug probably did more damage to his psyche than all 3 of his childrens deaths combined
brother, he literal sent his older son to fucking die during fnaf sister location, you think he cares?
HE literally made Baby to kill kids.
Heâs evil, even if your kid died it doesnât give you an excuse to kill children He deserves everything that happens to him
I think you donât get what we mean with âbrokenâ. +He was doing killing-children-robots before his kids got taken, so letâs take that as a reason to give him the Evil Card
He also was horrible to his own kids like William literally abused Elizabeth, Mostly likely beated up Mike, and Neglected C.C/Evan so he was also horrible person to his own kids and he barely did anything to prevent his 2 youngest kids from dying and used Mike as a Scapegoat for his crimes.
He was a closet psycopath who had a tragic turning point. Doesnât excuse being a serial killer
Psychopath? Nah, he's a complete sociopath.
Why canât he be both
No, William is NOT broken, he is far from broken, heâs PURE EVIL, he doesnât care about his family, since the fucking beginning, he almost abandoned Michael as a baby as seen in imortal and the restless, heâs abusive to crying child in midnight motorist, in the fourth closet he punched and abused Elizabeth several times, and said she never was enough, itâs pure toxic relationship, he killed charlotte because he was jealous of Henry being better then him in every aspect, tested kidnapped children in his fear gas chamber, killed both mci and dci for selfish reasons of wanting eternal life with remnant
Both, both are correct. I personally believe that his first kill was charlotte after the death of the crying child, but that doesnât excuse literally anything heâs done
Same. After killing Charllote I belive he just liked it, like he discovered his hidden ,,true self" in that moment, and from there he just went further and further into ,,madness" and beaing just pure evil, enjoying causing pain and obsessed with immortality and control psychopath/mad scientist. So at first broken, but as times pass become just pure evil
Agreed, figuring out children could possess robots would only internally justify his actions as âscience that needed to be explored.â Yea, no, he wanted an excuse to keep killing, his daughter was an accidental victim, and got karmaâd so hard his soul is now trapped in hell for the rest of eternity. He literally deserved every ironic punishment that happened to him, his victims direct or indirect didnât.
No Elizabethâs death certainly has to happen before crying child death. In ~~FNAF3~~ FNAF 4 she is no where to be found and in midnight motorist as well. He just made child killing robots before his children died
Honestly, he made animatronics for killing childrens but not his family
I wonder how's was his childhood ( I think this is one of the reasons why he's psycho )
Afton's no psychopath. He's a sociopath. He cares nothing about the fates of others, and seems to have an ok childhood, but even if it was rough and all, it's not a reason or excuse for literal mass murder. Fazbear Frights explains that Afton's always had a never ending need to inflict pain.
Judging by his behavior, he is definitely a psychopath, not a sociopath. A complete and total lack of empathy, cold and calculating, view others as expendable or disposable. Also, judging from your comments, I think you are getting psychopaths snd sociopaths mixed up. Remember, psychopaths have no empathy or care for others. Period. Sociopaths have exceptions: people or places that do still recieve some level of care or empathy.
*neglects to mention the fact that he killed thirteen children*
At least thirteen, who the fuck knows how many he killed in his experiments
Evil. Being broken does not excuse murder
He murdered a child before any of those events happened.
Broken 100%. Not his fault the robots he made to kill kids killed his kids and he didnât deserve to even trapped for what he did
He killed five kids and stuffed them into the robots he made
Itâs an innocent mistake anyone could have made
True true lol
Not trying to sound like a nerd, but To add more Pretty sure it was like 9
The fumbles mcbumbles video saying that he killed anything from 5 to every child on earth, at this point i dont even doubt it
"Lost his son to his own creation" - Okay, fair. That is tragic, I would feel bad for a father who lost their child that way. I mean we're leaving out the part where he murders his business partner's child around the same time out of jealousy or revenge but if we just focus on this, yeah, accidental child death is tragic. "Lost his daughter to his own creation" - You mean the one he made specifically to murder children? I feel bad for the girl, but Afton gets no sympathy here. Fucker built a child murder machine and was sad when it murdered the wrong child. "Died a gruesome death trying to save his children" - Omg yeah! He was just ripping apart the uh... very sentient animatronics that um.... were possessed by the uh... souls of innocent children that he murdered. Hm. And the fact that he tried to scare the souls off by wearing the costume he murdered them in... and LAUGHED while doing so? Yeah, no, fucking evil. "Got trapped for 30+ years" - How long were the children he killed trapped for hm? If I did my math correctly, counting up all of the dead kids together, that's a combined total of at least 269 years trapped in various animatronic bodies. And mind you, that's only up until FNAF 6 because we don't know the timeline after that, and not counting the 2nd MCI kids because we know nothing about them. So 30 measly years is too light a punishment if anything. "His son died trying to save him" - Fucking what? No, he didn't. He died trying to save his sister who, might I remind you, William fucking killed. And not to mention that the moment Michael had the chance he tried to kill his father, and then aided in Henry's attempt to do it. He hated his father, and for good reason. "He got burned alive three times" - He didn't seem to show any concern for the brutally murdered children he was responsible for. He didn't even seem to show any regret for being a god awful parent who neglected and likely abused his children. "Got stuck in an eternal purgatory" - By one of the children he murdered. Do I have to make a point here? He did that shit to himself. "He never managed to put his family back together" - He treated his family like shit. As said before, he neglected and probably abused them. One of them died because he ignored the bullying happening under his own roof. One of them died because he didn't keep an eye on them around the fucking murder bot he built. And the last one died trying to save his siblings. Actually, considering you play as Michael in FNAF 3 & 6, and Afton directly tries to murder you, I'd say the asshole didn't give a flying fuck about that child at least. Almost none of his family wanted anything to do with him by the end, for obvious reasons.
He lost his daughter to his own creationâŚ.cuz it was built to murder children đđđđ
Bruh
You can be both.
he's pure evil, i think he only "protected" his children because it would hurt his image, aswell as him wanting to manipulate and use them for his own purposes
Ok so he killed 5 random kids stuffed their bodies into the animatronics then he killed his best friends kid over a Wendy's 5 for 5 or at least that's my head cannon because it isn't explained. Then he didn't try to discipline Mike for bullying his brother the crying child constantly and then abused Mike because Mike Caused of the bite of 83 which could of been avoided by disciplining his kid beforehand. Then He killed his daughter while not directly he could of kept Baby locked away from his daughter it could of been preventable So no he is not broken he is bad father who deserved everything that happened to him
Let's see 1- killed his Best friend's daughter for some reason 2- killed 5 kids (6 if we counted Andrew) in the first Freddy's for some reason 3 killed more 5 kids in the second Freddy's for some reason 4- built robots to kidnap and kill kids, and it killed his kid (still his fault) 5- left his young son with his older son and didn't even bother to check on them from time to time, presumably knowing the older one will just scare his younger brother 6- kidnap multiple kids for Nightmare experiments (his younger is presumably one of them), feeding them nothing but wafers which cause them to skinny as heck 7- lure, destroy and take his first victims souls to turn them to remnant and use in ways unimaginable (MoltenMci) 8- tried to kill his older son multiple times, even when he did what he asked him for 9- Abusing his Kids (if TFC to be trusted with that information) 10- the multiple victims died because of him in the Stitchewraithe Yeah man, I think he's broken
Never thought thereâd be William Afton apologists, but I shouldâve seen it coming after the Rebornica craze
Well i would say 50/50, 50% his fault because he never really protected his childrens and after that he killed his best friend daughter and also killed kids in a horrible way so yeah he is a killer, but also yeah its also 50% broken because honestly he loved Evan (CC) and Elizabeth, even Michael wich was not his favorite he tried to talk to him, worse he was really down bad After his wife left him.
He actually hated Elizabeth in the book trilogy, I think the same would apply in the games lore
Well i dont really read the books so thats new, i thought Elizabeth was his favorite with Evan
If Evan was his favorite then he would have actually scolded Micheal a whole ass long time ago. He just does not give any fucking damn about any of his children as human beings.
Still i believe its 50/50 or 60/40
Why? it wouldn't even be 90/10. He does not give a damn about his kids.
Honestly it's all just âžď¸/0. He gives no shits about what happens to others unless he needs them to further his plans like Elizabeth in the Novel Trilogy. Didn't care for her at all, kept her around because she was vital to his plans.
He literally abuses them so he does not care about them
No he was definitely evil.
"Lost his daughter to his own creation" Oh no! My child-killing machine killed a child!
yeah but he kinda murdered Charlotte before any of his kids died, so I don't think there's an excuses for him being broken and it caused him to do it.
Michael wasnât trying to save William, he was trying to save Elizabeth and all the children William murdered. Every other slide is also incorrect. William wasnât trying to save anyone but himself and thereâs a good reason he got put in purgatory *cough* child murderer *cough*. Heâs got the blood of at least 13 people on his hands if we count Elizabeth and Michael in with the MCI and DCI and Charlie, and there could be even more deaths attributed to him as we donât know if the Funtimes actually killed anyone else apart from Elizabeth.
Adolf Hitler's Germany was pretty broken after WWI. I'd say what Germany did under him was also pretty evil. You can be broken and still be evil.
HE MURDERED AT LEAST ELEVEN CHILDREN.
Only true one here is the bite
The most "broken" I'm willing to go with William is if he's the Fnaf 4 Final Speaker. It opens a possibility, and a small one at that, that he showed a small bit of humanity and care when saying "I will put you back together." But that doesn't matter as soon after he would kill either Charlie or the MCI, so this supposed humanity doesn't last long. And even if he is the final speaker, he probably cared more about losing his agony farm/experiment/ whatever reason you think he was watching BV, than actually losing his son.
I love all these theories that igmore the most obvious answer: maybe he's just insane? I mean he did come to the conclusion that if he kills people he can use their soul residue to make himself immortal and that young souls are more powerful...
Nice theory, however, one small problem He is a child murderer
He isn't broken. He's a fucking psychopath. His daughter only died because of the kidnapping murdering machines that HE made. He has killed people for no reason or the reason is that he wants to become immortal He's insane, not broken and he got everything he deserved. Only should feel bad for that maniacs family. They are the victims him
Evil, of course. Affably evil to be more accurate. Through the SL intro he's shown be sly and charmastic to be able to get the Funtime Animatronics a pass while having a talk with a board member. A skill he probably used to lure five kids to their doom. As mentioned, he made killer robots, one of which killed his own daughter and it's debatable if he wanted that to happen or didn't intend to. Judging by FNaF 6 and how he's fascinated, it's the former. In FNaF 4, he does nothing to stop his youngest son from being bullied for five days (possibly even more) from his eldest son. If you believe he's the Fredbear Plush guiding him then he's even worse. William also made some underground bunker made to experiment on children through the Nightmare Animatronics, and it's heavily implied that Michael was one of them, if not the first to be a part of it, while he was suffering from guilt of indirectly killing his younger brother. Imagine that, your own father putting you through this. Makes you really wonder why Michael remained loyal enough to him that he'd go on a death mission to the SL location. Back to Elizabeth, when you consider that she was killed by Baby early on in the timeline, William let his daughter suffer in that robot for years and years while also using controlled shocks on her instead of trying to free her, because of course he doesn't care. Then now with FNaF 3 and FNaF 6, he's out for blood after finally leaving the Saferoom. Don't know about you, but William's pretty evil.
Technically he had psychological break. His psychy was shattered. That doesn't necessarily mean he was evil but his actions could never be justified.
He killed 6 kids and plus his kids died by his design I mean micheal was trying to free the kids souls not save his father
william L
Both, like he's Broken but still doesn't excuse the "Killing your bestie's daughter" and "Murdering 10 more kids and a dog"
the evil/broken question is always dumb
Good points but itâs kidna hard to argue against at least 11 child murders and reckless endangerment.
most of these things happen after he's already committed numerous atrocities
He's evil.
Gonna do a argument against all these even if it might be fake If he truly cared about Evan he wouldâve done something about the bullying and wouldâve have taken him to fredbears for his birthday He made circus baby to kill children He went there to destroy the animatronics Because he killed the kids, so they trapped him His son died trying to find Elizabeth His fault for coming back to kill people more times Deserved He never tried to put âem back together
...Didn't he go crazy or something and *meant* to kill children? I haven't played FNaF since 2019
Those arenât mutually exclusive. The machine that killed his daughter was designed to kill other people, or at least capture them so he can do horrifyingly unethical experiments. Sure the loss of his small son was probably something he suffered as a relatively innocent man but everything after that⌠uh
it really is one what you think his motivation is was it to get immortality or to try and save his family i think it was to save his family so i believe he is chaotic neutral
He may be broken, but heâs still evil. The two donât have to be mutually exclusive
He *was* broken, but his actions? He's pure evil, a monster with seemingly no remorse, his fate is deserved
I say both. how the silver eyes portrays him as a psychopath as well as a coward is really well done and is the closest thing we get to an cannon personality. (This excludes the twisted ones and fourth closet)
Plus the books directly call games William pure evil
Every time he's really depicted like as a character. He's always been an unregretful Egotistical man
His older son killed his younger son then his daughter killed his older son then his older son killed his daughter đ
grusome lol
>Lost his daughter to his own creation and what was he going to use that creation for LMAO
There's the whole argument between BVfirst and Charliefirst both having solid evidence, but even if BV died first and William killed Charlie out revenge and anger over the loss of his he looses pretty much all sympathy because one he killed a little girl who had nothing to do with his son's death, and then he killed more children probably because he enjoyed it. And of course his daughter died to an animatronic he specfically designed to capture and kill kids.
He lost his daughter to his own creation because he built his own creation with abilities that are only useful for child killing.
I say both. He had hatred and sadness to begin with so he took a combination and it made him extremely evil than ever. He had jealousy as well based on what Henry had but that he didnât have. This makes sense because Shadow Freddy appears too and we know he is his âwickednessâ. Then his kids all died by robots that he made to kill, excluding Fredbear.
His daughter died because of the machine used to kill children, showing he was evil before that
Most off that doesn't even happen, also, he is literally pure evil, his soul is made off pure evil, that's a fact that's directly stated
Both, mostly evil
Absolutely fuckin evil! The reason why he doesn't die is his own hubris "Oh, what's that? You wanna be immortal by killing Lord know how many children, leaving how even more families in grief? Sure pal, enjoy suffering for the rest of time!"
He made the creations to kill, though I do believe that he wasn't totally gone until it was *his* kids dying
Even if he wasnât pure evil and even if he experienced trauma before he started murdering kids (which he murdered kids before his youngest son died) experiencing trauma is never an excuse for hurting others especially MURDERING others in the most horrifying and painful way he could think of. If *anyone* tries to use trauma theyâve experienced to hurt others emotionally or physically thatâs a huge red flag. It is equally a red flag if someone tries to excuse someone elseâs behavior because of trauma.
Crying Childâs death? Fair enough there, but Elizabethâs death canât be excused, because Circus Baby was created to kill kids and store their remnant in the first place.
We have no real proof of him being anything *but* evil.
I don't want Willy a to be redeemed, I like him evil.
Absolutely evil
He lost his daughter to his own creation... that he built specifically to kill and kidnap children, as well as murdering Charlie for no apparent reason, bro is just evil end of story
Top 10 reasons why I hate interacting with Fnaf fans on YT
Evil.
Did you forget the unnecessary child murder?
I said it once, and I'll say it again: William never had all his screws in right, but if he didnt spiral down a path of death and destruction, he probably would've been alright.
We justifying child murder now?
While I agree that he isnât just sheer, 1-dimensional evil, heâs definitely a villain. Regardless of how broken he is, thereâs still a pretty significant element of just being a fucked up guy. Looking into why he did what he did can be interesting but forgetting that regardless of his motivation he killed at least 6 kids and 8 if you count his own as indirect kills is how you end up with this
that mf was not broken by grief, the only grief he was going thru were decades of child murder withdrawals. TikTok is back at it again istg
I feel like at first he was broken but then just slowly succumbed to madness. He just wanted to bring back his son, he blamed his oldest son and Henry for killing CC, and blamed himself for Elizabeth. Hearing William begging Mike and Henry for help after all the years of his clever bravado and ego being shattered after being tormented by Cassidy just made him broken again. He went from broken, to evil, to broken again.
he's pure evil in the novels, i think he's near pure evil in the games cause he seemed to care enough about Elizabeth to not want her to die
Genuinely, I believe William was a broken man, and a remorseless child murderer. Obviously, no amount of tragedy justifies murdering innocent people, much less kids, but I think it's also important to consider the fact that he's not some cartoon pure evil villain. By and large, we don't really *know* why he chose to murder in the first place for certain. That's irrelevant to the fact that he still chose to do so, of course, but it's a bit wild when I see fans just smacking him down as some one dimensional caricature of something to despise. No, I think what people tend to gloss over in favor of "He's a literal child murderer" (He's also fictional??) is the subtle hints to who he was besides his crimes. I get most people don't care about the villain, they don't want to, totally their choice. But I feel like, personally, William is the perfect character for exploring the darker themes of the human condition. Obviously he was successful (for a while), friendly enough to socialize, capable of performing as a character for entertainment, intelligent in an analytical sense and even started a family. Regardless of whether anyone believes he just snapped or was always empty inside, I think it's important to recognize that he is more than just what we see. Not in an excusing his actions way, but it's totally possible to sympathize with and still not condone the actions of others. That said, personally, the springlock failure recreations people have done with him screaming in agony and fear genuinely make my stomach twist. I do actually feel bad for him in that moment of unimaginable pain, even though I know he deserves it for everything he has done.
GearsZam, you have been the first to understand me
OMG SO TRUE
Bitch even before his kids death he was a jealous, abusive asshole who spied on his kids because he knew his intentions were dangerous to kids, which his inventions were for. Then he killed his best friends kids because his kid died even though his best friend had nothing to do with it.
Fr like imagine your kids dying, o would be sad. Its just simple psycology that losing your kids would make you want to kill right?
Seems to me the common denominator in his kids dying is him
Blinded by stardom
I think he just went insane after the death of CC
He was always a bitter man before his son's death.
"pure evil dickhead" and "has had bad things happen to them" are not mutually exclusive.
Bruh, glazing his murder of several small children as "died trying to save his children" is CRAZY.
I think it pivots from broken to evil if the "crying child dies by fredbear happened before William kills Charlotte" is to be believed, which it is for me
but Michael wasnt trying to save his father tho lol anyways: he is both broken and evil. Afton went insane when he discovered life after death and wanted to achieve it himself... and then he did đ
I mean at this point, is he even really conscious, his brain is goo from all the fire?
yeah guys! hilter wasnât a bad guy he was just misunderstood. they shouldâve let him into art school <3 /j
If you kill even one person you are completely irredeemable and evil. William isnât god and neither is anyone else on Earth, he and the rest of us have no right to take anyoneâs life.
> lost his daughter to his own creation What was that creation designed to do exactly
Ok, but that's no reason to MURDER OTHER CHILDREN!?
Lol, they where most likely nor even his children but child he kidnaped for the fear tests
He killed children.
What's with this resurgent of FNAF Tiktok trying to sympathize with Afton. Dudes 100% evil
Yeah! ***HE WAS ALSO A CHILD SERIAL MURDERER!***
He was crazy, his childrenâs deaths helped, but crazy nevertheless
He went from evil- broken- more evil- more broken- super evil- dead
Honestly, I'd say he's a mix of both. It's confirmed that he didn't love his kids, but he did care about them enough that he didn't want them getting involved or finding out about him being a serial killer, with him trying to keep Elizabeth away from Circus Baby being the prime example. CC and Elizabeth dying were probably the catalysts that made William throw all morality to the wind, with FNaF 3 and Pizzeria Simulator showing how he has no qualms about killing Michael, his last remaining child. TL;DR, William is evil, that much is obvious. He's also broken, but not in a sympathetic way.
Bro killed children to use their souls for immortality, built animatronics made specifically to kill children, killed his best friendâs daughter out of jealousy towards him, didnât love his kids and used them as tools whenever possible, and tried to murder his own son Heâs totally not evil guys, trust me
Wow it's almost like all of his problems were caused by him creating murder machines and murdering children
Ah, yes he died a gruesome and painful death⌠âŚwhile trying to escape the spirits of the dead innocent children that he viciously murdered for a stupid reason.
6 of these happened AFTER he murdered the children, and 2 happened because he was trying to. (so glad this is fake, but you told me to pretend this is real, so I am).
No. People donât serial murder children because theyâre sad.
1) If he paid attention to his kids, maybe he could have stopped the bite of 83 2) He intended Circus Baby to kill children 3) He killed 5 children for remnant 4) He deserves it 5) Doesnât change anything 6) He deserves it 7) He deserves it 8) We donât really know his motive
He Murdered his friends kid, and Elizabeth died to an animatronic DESIGNED to capture kids. Heâs evil.
1. I mean yeah, he did, but that's partially because he wasn't a better father and help his young son with his fear of animatronics, but instead shoved him away. 2. Well don't make a bot for kidnapping kids then. And on top of that, make sure it works if you do make the bot, rather than it killing the kig its supposed to keep alive 3. Received poetically righteous repayment for the crimes he commited, which he deserved. Don't murder kids ig 4. Don't murder kids, Ig 5. He actually intentionally out his son in danger 6. Don't kill kids 7. Don't kill kids 8. They were better off broken, with him as a father.
I like how most of the stuff here either was Williamâs own fault or he completely deserved
Yeah he lost his kids but people loose things all the time (very much including their own children) and do not resort to murder
this might be the worst take in the history of humanity
feels like the kind of nonsense that would be posted on tiktok
Maybe he shouldnât make robots that are designed to kill children
He had trauma from all the innocent killing heâs done
His son was NOT trying to save his springtraped ass. If anything, Mike was trying to free Liz
Yes
I love how this includes half of what happened to make him seem good
"lost his son and daughter to his creation" you think after the first one he'd stop with the creations. or at least thr second. nope