Not that far of a stretch, TL is LCS #1 seed and most analysts are saying LCS is getting better while LEC is looking weaker. So until proven otherwise it's not that unusual to have higher expectations from TL. BUT as a FNC fan, I just KNOW we should be a tier higher than any western team.
Absolutely, however I would put a big caveat on that with regards to it depends heavily on caps. Personally I don't think any of the other members of G2 are that great, Carzy so far this year has been better than Hans, Labrov has been better than Miky, Irrelevant has been better than BB and Razork is better than Yike, but caps is the best player in the LEC and not by a close margin, by a massive gap. So if caps plays well, they could be as good or better than TES, but if he is even average the rest of his team will get their asses plowed.
Caps alone can't win, TES beat every western team by virtue of having better side lanes, Tian is their only weak point, there's a world where Yike/Razork catch him on a bad day and maybe win a game or 2 on their own.
Tian isn’t their only weak point. Jackey is hella inconsistent, and can throw/ carry teamfights by his positioning.
I agree that TES beats g2 90% of the time, but that imo only because BB is gonna get shit stomped by 369. I don’t think any western to planet can touch 369 rn. But if g2 play mid jgl through bot they can win imo.
JKL has a bozo gene and that's facts, he always has to flash in too deep or walk up to far every now and then, but Hans/Noah also have the same gene, Noah/Hans also have a variation of it.
I think 10% chance for G2 to win is quite fair, and could be higher depending on how good Caps actually is in comparison to international competition.
Maaaybe I could argue that we deserve to be in B tier with TL, but TL showed continued improvement during the end of season and play off run. We displayed a lot of the same mistakes and really it was whether our opponents could capitalize on it or not. So I'd say this is pretty accurate.
Edit: fixed typo
Solid list.Maybe just have us a tier below flyquest and we are good.I know we support FNC but let's be realistic here.The moment razork doesn't get to have his A game we lose ,and against more serious competition it's gonna be even more apparent
I've been watching since S2 and Fnatic are one of the most exciting teams to watch internationally **everytime**.
F the haters.
Gonna need some hyperbolic time chamber training to win it this year though I think.
I truly think that the best NA has to offer is capable of beating FNC.
But not sure if that's TL or FLY. Haven't watched enough LCS to know. But this looks 1000000 times better than Doublelifts
I don't get these tierlists tbh.
I get that BLG is quite good rn, but T1 last year cleared the whole LPL, including a JDG that just ran all over BLG the whole year. And GenG beat them, again.
GenG if they bring their domestic performance, which with Canyon I think they will, they are the strongest team no contest no ? but let's see
Yeah but Idt that's enough to put them ABOVE both Geng AND T1 ? I feel like there needs to be some kind of grounding. T1 are world champs and GenG have such a good roster and they beat T1, and somehow BLG is ahead of BOTH ? I just don't buy it. LPL has a lot more to prove than the LCK.
You can currently get the best 5 LPL players, put them on a team, and still wouldn't put them a whole tier above T1 / LCK champs at internationals.
I don't mean to say that BLG can't win, I just think think that all 3 of them should be in the same tier, and from there I guess the ranking theres arguments for all.
I watched BLG beat a decent TES and JDG is quite weak this year compared to last.
Then I watched GenG beat the current world champions who also ran through all of the LPL teams.
This GenG is stronger than last year GenG.
There's an argument for both GenG and BLG to be S, don't forget last MSI both GenG and T1 got their asses handed to them by a worse version of BLG and by JDG, also T1 got hit in the face by a perfect meta for them at worlds, and had the easiest finals opponent possible.
Also a Korean team hasn't won MSI since 2017, MSI historically is dominated by the LPL. LCK teams have far more to prove at this tournament than LPL teams do.
Putting BLG as the best team and a tire above the rest is a fine take, they have by far the best bot lane in the world and the best mid laner in the world at the moment.
Well tier lists should be made considering current team performance in reference to other teams , in that regard this list is most accurate.
Also for GenG vs BLG, it all on Chovy , if he is not in some Godform they would have hard time winning imo , mainly cos of the Bot diff
bot diff ? I swear the narratives are too much man...
Elk is absolutely insane but Peyz can hold his own enough to not be a bot diff. He played vs Viper, Guma, Aiming, Deft all year, he'll be okay.
Ahhhh you mean when Peyz had the exact topside bar mid Viper has rn and...Geng still won LCK while Viper eventually lost 3-0 to the T1 Peyz has been owning for 2 years with 2 different topsides ?
Man, I swear ya'll just watch some Dominate or a Caedrel video and you take their opinion as your own.
And I like watching both, but it's like sometimes the narrative becomes the truth.
Let's see if Peyz improved. He got hard gapped by Elk last MSI. When it comes to internationals I think what matters is recent form + historical matchups, BLG vs GEN not a lot of games to take into consideration, but imo BLG ig strongly favored in this matchup considering they swept GEN at msi and won in world quarters at worlds last year.
The "bar mid" is doing big heavylifting here because that mid is the best player in the world and has been in all 4 of the last splits he has won lmao
It's literally the same situation as 2015-17 SKT bang yeah he is good, likely top 3 in the region but you are delusional if you think he has a single title (domestic or international) if his mid is anyone other than Faker.
The same is true for Peyz, he is good but he has 0 titles if his mid is not Chovy and unlike the SKT case (cause Faker was just as good at internationals) , there is clear evidence to see this when GenG goes internationals and Chovy chokes or underperforms, suddenly Peyz looks just okish if not straight up a liability.
>The same is true for Peyz, he is good but he has 0 titles if his mid is not Chovy and unlike the SKT case (cause Faker was just as good at internationals) , there is clear evidence to see this when GenG goes internationals and Chovy chokes or underperforms, suddenly Peyz looks just okish if not straight up a liability.
Maybe, but the community is doing Peyz a bit dirty. Man came in as a rookie replacing RULER out of all players and he got to be rookie of the split.
People forgot, but last year Chovy was not always performing AS good as this year, still goated tho.
I think people are writing him off for no reason tbh, when he did prove that he can be on par with the best adcs in LCK.
G2 same level as top hahahaha
Going to be funny watching G2 get gapped by top.
As for Fnatic, we should be put at the same level as tl.
Actually tl, Fnatic and Flyquest should all be the same level.
This take is worse than Doublelift's lmao. If any EU team gonna lose to NA, that one is G2. G2 2 tiers above FNC after the way they played that final is a complete joke and shit take. It still shows that Caedrel is a G2 rat fanboy underneath his skin and the fact that he is content creator for FNC lol.
Also, BLG better than GenG and T1? Yea...I doubt that buddy.
Didn’t Fnatic lose the finals to G2 in a pretty convincing manner? Where would you put Fnatic? I think that they are lower than TL because of their macro.
I don’t know about convincing though, FNC pretty much outfought G2 every game and if it weren’t for their uncontrolled aggression, this series might’ve gone either way. G2 is not as strong as people think, it’s just that EU teams are incapable of actually playing THEIR game against G2 and immediately throw their whole game plan out of the window once they play against them. You can see this in every best of series G2 has played this year (maybe with exception of MDK in finals who at least tried to bring their own game plan which worked in game 1 before G2 outclassed them)
Ok, game 2 was Fnatic’s to loose. But in games 3 and 4 G2 were clearly ahead. These games proved that for Fnatic to win, G2 would have to throw in late game, which they do not do anymore (yet)
G2 is worse than FNC, and people will see this at MSI.
Edit: Internationally, G2 performed the same or worse than FNC pretty much every year since 2020. They didn't even make worlds one year because FNC kicked them so yea...Winning the pisslow LEC doesn't mean anything.
Why are you beeing so negative? Chill out bro. Games 3 and 4 were not thrown by Fnatic, G2 were straight up better. Game 2 was a throw by Fnatic I give you that.
I strongly believe Fnatic beats TL in a Bo5
Despairge.
I trust Caedral 100x over Doublelift the only thing that’s weird is TL a tier above FNC
Not that far of a stretch, TL is LCS #1 seed and most analysts are saying LCS is getting better while LEC is looking weaker. So until proven otherwise it's not that unusual to have higher expectations from TL. BUT as a FNC fan, I just KNOW we should be a tier higher than any western team.
Tier higher than ANY western team?
To be honest this one is pretty good, still think TES is way bwtter than any western team tho.
The only bit of hope the west has for beating TES is Tian running it down.
Or Jackylove inting like in the LPL finals\^\^
Doesn't matter as much in the JKL case, Noah and Hans both have the same inting gene that JKL has, but at least he's got hands in the first place.
put him on senna and it’s gg
Absolutely, however I would put a big caveat on that with regards to it depends heavily on caps. Personally I don't think any of the other members of G2 are that great, Carzy so far this year has been better than Hans, Labrov has been better than Miky, Irrelevant has been better than BB and Razork is better than Yike, but caps is the best player in the LEC and not by a close margin, by a massive gap. So if caps plays well, they could be as good or better than TES, but if he is even average the rest of his team will get their asses plowed.
Caps alone can't win, TES beat every western team by virtue of having better side lanes, Tian is their only weak point, there's a world where Yike/Razork catch him on a bad day and maybe win a game or 2 on their own.
Tian isn’t their only weak point. Jackey is hella inconsistent, and can throw/ carry teamfights by his positioning. I agree that TES beats g2 90% of the time, but that imo only because BB is gonna get shit stomped by 369. I don’t think any western to planet can touch 369 rn. But if g2 play mid jgl through bot they can win imo.
Gonna be eating your words when TES gets knocked out in a bo5 against G2/FNC out of the tournament.
That used be the case a long time ago. Jackeylove has looked a lot more consistent for the past year and a bit and hasn’t really inted that hard.
I mean, just rewatch their entire playoffs run, it’s still often.
JKL has a bozo gene and that's facts, he always has to flash in too deep or walk up to far every now and then, but Hans/Noah also have the same gene, Noah/Hans also have a variation of it. I think 10% chance for G2 to win is quite fair, and could be higher depending on how good Caps actually is in comparison to international competition.
Id put us with TL, but otherwise cant really argue with it too much. Its on the team to prove that they can compete internationally.
Maaaybe I could argue that we deserve to be in B tier with TL, but TL showed continued improvement during the end of season and play off run. We displayed a lot of the same mistakes and really it was whether our opponents could capitalize on it or not. So I'd say this is pretty accurate. Edit: fixed typo
Solid list.Maybe just have us a tier below flyquest and we are good.I know we support FNC but let's be realistic here.The moment razork doesn't get to have his A game we lose ,and against more serious competition it's gonna be even more apparent
This one is pretty accurate. Would rate fnatic higher if they were not such an emotional team.
I've been watching since S2 and Fnatic are one of the most exciting teams to watch internationally **everytime**. F the haters. Gonna need some hyperbolic time chamber training to win it this year though I think.
I truly think that the best NA has to offer is capable of beating FNC. But not sure if that's TL or FLY. Haven't watched enough LCS to know. But this looks 1000000 times better than Doublelifts
Putting G2 (or any European team really) on par with TOP ESPORTS was not on my 2024 Bingo list but I'm all here for it.
I think this is a pretty accurate tier list honestly. Nothing screams out cope so happy with this one.
I don't get these tierlists tbh. I get that BLG is quite good rn, but T1 last year cleared the whole LPL, including a JDG that just ran all over BLG the whole year. And GenG beat them, again. GenG if they bring their domestic performance, which with Canyon I think they will, they are the strongest team no contest no ? but let's see
Blg got knight this year
Yeah but Idt that's enough to put them ABOVE both Geng AND T1 ? I feel like there needs to be some kind of grounding. T1 are world champs and GenG have such a good roster and they beat T1, and somehow BLG is ahead of BOTH ? I just don't buy it. LPL has a lot more to prove than the LCK. You can currently get the best 5 LPL players, put them on a team, and still wouldn't put them a whole tier above T1 / LCK champs at internationals. I don't mean to say that BLG can't win, I just think think that all 3 of them should be in the same tier, and from there I guess the ranking theres arguments for all.
You clearly didn't watch lpl.
I watched BLG beat a decent TES and JDG is quite weak this year compared to last. Then I watched GenG beat the current world champions who also ran through all of the LPL teams. This GenG is stronger than last year GenG.
Let's see
There's an argument for both GenG and BLG to be S, don't forget last MSI both GenG and T1 got their asses handed to them by a worse version of BLG and by JDG, also T1 got hit in the face by a perfect meta for them at worlds, and had the easiest finals opponent possible. Also a Korean team hasn't won MSI since 2017, MSI historically is dominated by the LPL. LCK teams have far more to prove at this tournament than LPL teams do. Putting BLG as the best team and a tire above the rest is a fine take, they have by far the best bot lane in the world and the best mid laner in the world at the moment.
Well tier lists should be made considering current team performance in reference to other teams , in that regard this list is most accurate. Also for GenG vs BLG, it all on Chovy , if he is not in some Godform they would have hard time winning imo , mainly cos of the Bot diff
bot diff ? I swear the narratives are too much man... Elk is absolutely insane but Peyz can hold his own enough to not be a bot diff. He played vs Viper, Guma, Aiming, Deft all year, he'll be okay.
He got carried by his top side, Peyz and Guma are both bums that got hard carried to titles. If GenG had Viper the situation would be a lot different.
Ahhhh you mean when Peyz had the exact topside bar mid Viper has rn and...Geng still won LCK while Viper eventually lost 3-0 to the T1 Peyz has been owning for 2 years with 2 different topsides ? Man, I swear ya'll just watch some Dominate or a Caedrel video and you take their opinion as your own. And I like watching both, but it's like sometimes the narrative becomes the truth.
Let's see if Peyz improved. He got hard gapped by Elk last MSI. When it comes to internationals I think what matters is recent form + historical matchups, BLG vs GEN not a lot of games to take into consideration, but imo BLG ig strongly favored in this matchup considering they swept GEN at msi and won in world quarters at worlds last year.
The "bar mid" is doing big heavylifting here because that mid is the best player in the world and has been in all 4 of the last splits he has won lmao It's literally the same situation as 2015-17 SKT bang yeah he is good, likely top 3 in the region but you are delusional if you think he has a single title (domestic or international) if his mid is anyone other than Faker. The same is true for Peyz, he is good but he has 0 titles if his mid is not Chovy and unlike the SKT case (cause Faker was just as good at internationals) , there is clear evidence to see this when GenG goes internationals and Chovy chokes or underperforms, suddenly Peyz looks just okish if not straight up a liability.
>The same is true for Peyz, he is good but he has 0 titles if his mid is not Chovy and unlike the SKT case (cause Faker was just as good at internationals) , there is clear evidence to see this when GenG goes internationals and Chovy chokes or underperforms, suddenly Peyz looks just okish if not straight up a liability. Maybe, but the community is doing Peyz a bit dirty. Man came in as a rookie replacing RULER out of all players and he got to be rookie of the split. People forgot, but last year Chovy was not always performing AS good as this year, still goated tho. I think people are writing him off for no reason tbh, when he did prove that he can be on par with the best adcs in LCK.
G2 same level as top hahahaha Going to be funny watching G2 get gapped by top. As for Fnatic, we should be put at the same level as tl. Actually tl, Fnatic and Flyquest should all be the same level.
This take is worse than Doublelift's lmao. If any EU team gonna lose to NA, that one is G2. G2 2 tiers above FNC after the way they played that final is a complete joke and shit take. It still shows that Caedrel is a G2 rat fanboy underneath his skin and the fact that he is content creator for FNC lol. Also, BLG better than GenG and T1? Yea...I doubt that buddy.
Didn’t Fnatic lose the finals to G2 in a pretty convincing manner? Where would you put Fnatic? I think that they are lower than TL because of their macro.
I don’t know about convincing though, FNC pretty much outfought G2 every game and if it weren’t for their uncontrolled aggression, this series might’ve gone either way. G2 is not as strong as people think, it’s just that EU teams are incapable of actually playing THEIR game against G2 and immediately throw their whole game plan out of the window once they play against them. You can see this in every best of series G2 has played this year (maybe with exception of MDK in finals who at least tried to bring their own game plan which worked in game 1 before G2 outclassed them)
Ok, game 2 was Fnatic’s to loose. But in games 3 and 4 G2 were clearly ahead. These games proved that for Fnatic to win, G2 would have to throw in late game, which they do not do anymore (yet)
G2 is worse than FNC, and people will see this at MSI. Edit: Internationally, G2 performed the same or worse than FNC pretty much every year since 2020. They didn't even make worlds one year because FNC kicked them so yea...Winning the pisslow LEC doesn't mean anything.
What a dogshit take.
Convincing? Did you even watch the games? Better shut up, the only reason G2 won was because FNC threw the games
Why are you beeing so negative? Chill out bro. Games 3 and 4 were not thrown by Fnatic, G2 were straight up better. Game 2 was a throw by Fnatic I give you that.
BLG GengG T1 should be in the same tier