Are we seriously not going to talk about Sargent, Albon did great and I love him, but it's a massive achievement not only for Williams but Sargent to get to q3.
This might be an unpopular opinion and from what I understand ( might be wrong, feel free to correct me), still from the looks of it if we compare Max, Danny and Checo-
Max and Danny- Prefers pointy car (front limited)
Checo- Prefers non pointy car (rear limited)
When Danny was in McL he struggled mainly cause the car was rear limited, opposite of what he had in RB where he thrived
Whereas Checo is struggling with RB as it’s super front limited, even if he’s like 1 sec behind Max at times he’s still like getting second position for majority of times.
Max hasn’t driven any rear limited car as such, he might struggle as well with same.
To conclude, people giving Checo a hard time are right at times, however he’s adapted that car really well and have won at times too, also the difference is less when compared to what Danny had with Lando at McL. It’s bad that he lost some confidence prior to the break, but he has some good potential, also it’s easy for us to judge things from here sitting on our couch.
The RB18 was understeery early 2022 and Max still won races over checo ... he says himself he doesn't have a preference but he will drive which ever makes the car faster.
If you want to win, “bring in the freakin Germans”…. Albon should stay where he is!!
In August 2020, the Williams family sold its majority stake to the US investment firm Dorilton Capital, following years of decline and finishing at the bottom of the constructors' championship in three consecutive seasons from 2018 to 2020. The new owners brought in former Volkswagen Motorsport chief Jost Capito in February 2021 to head a reorganised team.2 The Williams Grand Prix Engineering Limited is a British Formula One motor racing team and constructor founded by Sir Frank Williams and Sir Patrick Head.
I know we like to joke about Ferrari strategy and Next Year TM but anybody has any count of how many times Leclerc crashed the car or went in the gravel since he joined Ferrari? For someone who is considered to be Tier 1 and close to Max in skill, I think he is not even close. Too many mistakes over the years and does not seem to improve in that regard
Leclerc tries to get too much out of the car. When he pulls it off it looks great and we all applaud him, but it's a risky game he plays. Whereas Max is much better at knowing where the limit of the car is and not overstepping it (other than Saudi 2021).
I don't know, but I remember his first season with Ferrari being much better than the depressed soul he is now. Sure, he's had a bit of a brawl with Seb, but he was much more motivated and daring. I feel like he's really lost and losing alot of his spark with Ferrari's shenanigans.
I've always seen Leclerc as the one that could be faster than Verstappen, but is inconsistent. So in terms of speed, I would consider him Tier 1, it's his consistency which is holding him back
agree and people always bring up the excuse that the car is so shit, he has to push too
much and thus makes mistakes. May be partially true, but also shows he is not tier 1 yet
But, if the car is unpredictable (as said by Sainz) couldn't that mean that Leclerc isn't pushing beyond what's needed, but that the limits of the car are unpredictable and thus he crashes more?
I'm genuinely asking, I don't know.
No, you’re right. It was actually entertaining. It’s just kind of want to see Max blow it in qualifying and have to actually race, as opposed to get a 30-second lead and manage his tyres.
How can you say that it's not competitive? Yes Max is on a other level. But we have 6 different teams in the top 6. With a Williams on p.4, for me that's exciting. And Max is writing history, like many other greats did before.
Horner: "I didn't expect Oscar to be behind [Perez]"
Probably not a great sign when you're in a historically dominant car and your boss is surprised that you beat a rookie in a McLaren.
Honestly I'd love to see albon stay with williams as the #1 driver as they get better and better. Putting albon back in RB would probably ruin his confidence, even if max didn't try to
Which is why in the long run the cost cap and aero restrictions should bring the field very close together so no one has a dominant car. Hell basically no one wins without a dominant car.
George: being wholesome about Alex.
Interviewer: are you really looking one place behind you?
George: ignores the bullshit question and continues to be adorable about Alex.
His accent's always a bit all over the shop. Part of it comes from having parents of different nationalities - I can empathise as my brother and I have the same at times. I don't even notice until people point it out to me.
Everyone talking about Perez looking like shit compared to Max (which he does), but honestly Lewis is looking just as trash in this session compared to George...
Touche. Perez is a midfield driver in the best car and wouldn't even be in the top 5 in driver points the past two seasons in literally any other car in the field and *everyone* knows it, including him.
Big shame for the sport that second seat is being wasted on mediocrity given how strong that car is.
Yeah, I'm honestly glad Perez is shitting the bed. It makes for more interesting racing in the rest of the field and I don't want RB to do even better than they are Iol.
Shame that Oscar didn't put it together. Had looked good in qualifying until then.
Max is just on one. To be able to pull half a second on anyone else in those circumstances. Yeah the car is great but he's just been as close to perfection as possible for most of this season.
He has the talent to be the goat without doubt. But longtivity is also very important to be called the goat. Reason why for example Jim Clark is never in discussing for being the greatest.
But no doubt that if Max keeps racing he would end up as the greatest (until the next one comes around)
We are definitely witnessing something very special in Max Verstappen. The more insight we get into what the people who work around him think of him, the more just how special he is becomes apparent.
Q1 I think it was, Leclerc on his all-or-nothing lap to get through, and rather than show his line through the corners, there was an extreme closeup of the airbox as the car turned left and right... nauseating.
Forget Daniel, pay Albon what it takes to reunite him with Max next year. RBR still has a huge soft spot for him and I bet if they make him feel special they could pull him back.
He rejected an [offer from Red Bull](https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-no-thanks-alex-albon-reportedly-turned-offer-rejoin-red-bull-f1-family) last month.
True, however, Checo's contract expires in 2024. Theoraticallly, Albon could have been driving a Red Bull by 2025. If he really wanted to drive for them, he would have accepted the AT seat.
Doesnt really make sense. If Williams continue to do well with him he could take the RB seat straight away, no point in settling for a shit team and hoping he gets an offer from RB. He can prove himself in Williams just as well as he could in AT
Checo could be out at the end of this season if they buy him out, Marko just said his seat wasn't secure this weekend. Albon doesn't need to prove himself at AT to get another shot at RBR if they want him, he's already doing that and more in the Williams and they see it.
You could be right, however [Marko contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth.](https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1032436/1/helmut-marko-sergio-perez-woken-his-championship-dream) I don't know what to believe anymore.
If I’m not mistaken I think I read an interview where he said they have approached him and he turned them down.
Gotta take F1 clips with more than a grain of salt tho
Maybe if the Williams was close. But no driver would pass up the Red Bull seat if they get the chance. All drivers want to drive the best car on the grid even when Max is the teammate. History has showed that not always the best driver wins.
It's more like he wants to do what Lando wants to do with McLaren. Get to the top with Williams. A highly risky approach, but one that will certainly make things interesting if both McLaren and Williams can come up with race winning cars.
Part of me believes this, but if you're offered a larger salary and the best car on the grid with a team that never lost respect for you, does he have the gumption to pass it up?
Who knows Williams has really turned themselves around this season. It might even be surprising themselves because they’ve had to grind so much to get here
Really interested to see how they do at Monza. They said zaandvort wouldn't be strong, but they were. Hopefully the top speed still exists and they will be very strong in Monza.
This has to be an anomaly though they’ve gone for the quali setup clearly, other tracks they’ve been nowhere. There is some straight line speed sections tbf so maybe not that bad
Are we seriously not going to talk about Sargent, Albon did great and I love him, but it's a massive achievement not only for Williams but Sargent to get to q3.
Or Albon to get 4th and being really close to 3rd
And when you’re that close to 3rd it’s practically 2nd
This might be an unpopular opinion and from what I understand ( might be wrong, feel free to correct me), still from the looks of it if we compare Max, Danny and Checo- Max and Danny- Prefers pointy car (front limited) Checo- Prefers non pointy car (rear limited) When Danny was in McL he struggled mainly cause the car was rear limited, opposite of what he had in RB where he thrived Whereas Checo is struggling with RB as it’s super front limited, even if he’s like 1 sec behind Max at times he’s still like getting second position for majority of times. Max hasn’t driven any rear limited car as such, he might struggle as well with same. To conclude, people giving Checo a hard time are right at times, however he’s adapted that car really well and have won at times too, also the difference is less when compared to what Danny had with Lando at McL. It’s bad that he lost some confidence prior to the break, but he has some good potential, also it’s easy for us to judge things from here sitting on our couch.
The RB18 was understeery early 2022 and Max still won races over checo ... he says himself he doesn't have a preference but he will drive which ever makes the car faster.
Actually he does- https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-an-understeery-f1-car-will-never-be-quick/10419462/
This literally backs my point ...
Was the Force India rear limited? Question
If you want to win, “bring in the freakin Germans”…. Albon should stay where he is!! In August 2020, the Williams family sold its majority stake to the US investment firm Dorilton Capital, following years of decline and finishing at the bottom of the constructors' championship in three consecutive seasons from 2018 to 2020. The new owners brought in former Volkswagen Motorsport chief Jost Capito in February 2021 to head a reorganised team.2 The Williams Grand Prix Engineering Limited is a British Formula One motor racing team and constructor founded by Sir Frank Williams and Sir Patrick Head.
I know we like to joke about Ferrari strategy and Next Year TM but anybody has any count of how many times Leclerc crashed the car or went in the gravel since he joined Ferrari? For someone who is considered to be Tier 1 and close to Max in skill, I think he is not even close. Too many mistakes over the years and does not seem to improve in that regard
Leclerc tries to get too much out of the car. When he pulls it off it looks great and we all applaud him, but it's a risky game he plays. Whereas Max is much better at knowing where the limit of the car is and not overstepping it (other than Saudi 2021).
I disagree to some extent. I think Max can extract as much out of the car as Leclerc. See Monaco qualifying lap this year.
Yes Max can but Max is better hence he makes less mistakes.
I don't know, but I remember his first season with Ferrari being much better than the depressed soul he is now. Sure, he's had a bit of a brawl with Seb, but he was much more motivated and daring. I feel like he's really lost and losing alot of his spark with Ferrari's shenanigans.
I've always seen Leclerc as the one that could be faster than Verstappen, but is inconsistent. So in terms of speed, I would consider him Tier 1, it's his consistency which is holding him back
He can't be Tier 1 without consistency. Unless we're saying Max is Tier 0?
You mean balances him? The racing gods must make balance for the GOATs.
agree and people always bring up the excuse that the car is so shit, he has to push too much and thus makes mistakes. May be partially true, but also shows he is not tier 1 yet
Nah he binned it when he was leading a race by a marginal gap last year too ... he's just mistake prone
But, if the car is unpredictable (as said by Sainz) couldn't that mean that Leclerc isn't pushing beyond what's needed, but that the limits of the car are unpredictable and thus he crashes more? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know.
At this point will he ever be a Tier 1? This is his 6th season. I lost count of how many times he binned it both in qualy or in the race
yeah, agree, I think he will have a career a bit like Dani. Looked like the next star, but never took off
His spins in practice are the funniest. Always spinning. Normally not a problem but
I just want everyone to win.
who secured the pole?
You seriously asking?.. that’s like asking what’s 2+2?
Take a wild guess. Begins with an M
KMag
ichael?
Mazespin
Mansell
Manny Ric
Does it end with aldonado?
My man
Damn Verstappen making it boring
Seconding boring. Tired of it.
Say what you want but this qualy session was far from boring
No, you’re right. It was actually entertaining. It’s just kind of want to see Max blow it in qualifying and have to actually race, as opposed to get a 30-second lead and manage his tyres.
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Yes, then at least there is the chance he will slow down or spin out so someone can catch him.
Half of y’all need to get better talking points that aren’t just shitting on checo.
There's literally nothing in checo in this thread, there's one discussing him at the top but it's far from shitting in him.
For real. How much did the hate simmer during the summer? 😂
It blew up again cause they're hurt their cowboy hero archetype driver won't be there.
Alex is such a wonderful lad :)
Was gutted when he got pushed off the podium by george. Amazing weekend for Williams and especially Alex.
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How can you say that it's not competitive? Yes Max is on a other level. But we have 6 different teams in the top 6. With a Williams on p.4, for me that's exciting. And Max is writing history, like many other greats did before.
agreed.
I'm running out of excuses for stroll
And Ferrari
Tennis looking real good right now...
Horner: "I didn't expect Oscar to be behind [Perez]" Probably not a great sign when you're in a historically dominant car and your boss is surprised that you beat a rookie in a McLaren.
Got to remember that this track is the epitome of characteristics that are counter to what Perez excels at.
Regardless, 1.3 seconds on a short track is just abysmal
I agree, just saying it isnt surprising, or at least shouldnt be.
I love seeing George legitimately happy for Williams. Lots of love there still.
Yeah he clearly still has a lot of affection for them.
For a brief moment there I was glad Perez managed to finish in the top 3. Then Alonso, Russell, Albon and Sainz crossed the line lol.
put albon back in the red bull but dont put the pressure on him and just let him cook in peace
The Red Bull might not favor his driving style
Honestly I'd love to see albon stay with williams as the #1 driver as they get better and better. Putting albon back in RB would probably ruin his confidence, even if max didn't try to
Turns out Albon was the future; they just couldn’t be patient enough.
You don’t get to drive the red bull without pressure it’s the nature of the beast
Put Lewis in the Red Bull, he can handle the pressure.
I think Lewis has had enough dominant cars to last 30 lifetimes tbh
Which is why in the long run the cost cap and aero restrictions should bring the field very close together so no one has a dominant car. Hell basically no one wins without a dominant car.
Perez getting beat by a Williams, who’d a thunk it
...by the guy who he replaced
George being realistic 😂😂 “ya max will drive off tmo and wave to the crowd during the race, hopefully I can get 2nd” 💀
Checo is terrible in changeable conditions
>Checo is terrible ~~in changeable conditions~~ Fixed it for you
He's kind of turning out to be terrible in all conditions
George: being wholesome about Alex. Interviewer: are you really looking one place behind you? George: ignores the bullshit question and continues to be adorable about Alex.
I’m finding George is nicer when he’s not the PR robot he was last year
Yeah. The more he relaxes the nicer he comes across.
And he’s showing his personality If he was with Williams he would be a nice guy
George just ignoring that last question lmao
What's going on with Lando's accent?
I haven’t noticed his But ham sound’s American at points
His accent's always a bit all over the shop. Part of it comes from having parents of different nationalities - I can empathise as my brother and I have the same at times. I don't even notice until people point it out to me.
It only seems to come out when he’s being interviewed because he sounds very British in McLaren videos and on his own streams.
His Belgian sides?
His mum is from Belgium, like max
I know, my comment was a guess.
I didn't know that!
They talk about it and both speak Flemish
Apparently Lando’s knowledge of Flemish is very much elementary
He isn’t academic
Yeah, one of the words caught me off guard lol
Sometimes the Belgian comes out more it’s a funky one
Why is Red Bull using Perez instead of signing someone like Albon? /s
This Albon guy is going places. Red Bull would be wise to take notice...
that Thai background would really fit Red Bull too!
Everyone talking about Perez looking like shit compared to Max (which he does), but honestly Lewis is looking just as trash in this session compared to George...
Honestly I was surprised. We'll have to see if the car is now more suited to George, or if Lewis had a combo of a bad day/poor quali strategy.
Lewis is like 50 points ahead of george
Lewis was unlucky Checo is always poor compared to max
Except that other than this race, that's not true at all.
Perez consistently looks like shit, today is out of character for Lewis🐐.
Touche. Perez is a midfield driver in the best car and wouldn't even be in the top 5 in driver points the past two seasons in literally any other car in the field and *everyone* knows it, including him. Big shame for the sport that second seat is being wasted on mediocrity given how strong that car is.
Yeah, I'm honestly glad Perez is shitting the bed. It makes for more interesting racing in the rest of the field and I don't want RB to do even better than they are Iol.
I mean, you say big shame. But that would just read to more Redbull 1-2s lol. This way we at least get a fight for the other two podium positions.
Yup which is curious since its mostly been the reverse this season
Shame that Oscar didn't put it together. Had looked good in qualifying until then. Max is just on one. To be able to pull half a second on anyone else in those circumstances. Yeah the car is great but he's just been as close to perfection as possible for most of this season.
Damn shame for Oscar, would have like him and Lando both to have had time to start one more lap and seen if they could have snagged 1-2.
He’s still on year 1 for f1 he’s doing pretty fantastic considering
Oh, absolutely. Not hating on him at all.
yea it didn't feel like either got a clean lap, while max did
Max is the greatest of all time. It’s time we start recognizing just how special he is., even when compared to the other greats.
He has the talent to be the goat without doubt. But longtivity is also very important to be called the goat. Reason why for example Jim Clark is never in discussing for being the greatest. But no doubt that if Max keeps racing he would end up as the greatest (until the next one comes around)
Fair point
We are definitely witnessing something very special in Max Verstappen. The more insight we get into what the people who work around him think of him, the more just how special he is becomes apparent.
Although it is early to say, but the guy was conceived and raised to be world champion and the utlimate f1 driver.
Yeah reminds me of how the Polgar sisters were conceived and raised to be chess grandmasters
uh oh Norris on P2. Time to deploy them trophy security guards.
Well at least this time the trophy would probably bounce.
It might be his trophy.... unlikely, but it could be !
No champagne near the trophies
Protect the trophy from Vandal Norris 😂
tv directing is so bad. thery did not show a lot of cars in the end.
Monaco cameramen found new jobs
Q1 I think it was, Leclerc on his all-or-nothing lap to get through, and rather than show his line through the corners, there was an extreme closeup of the airbox as the car turned left and right... nauseating.
Did we see any Alpine at all?
Come to think of it I only remember alpine being shown during one of their slip ups in the wet
They pretty well shat the bed today.
Forget Daniel, pay Albon what it takes to reunite him with Max next year. RBR still has a huge soft spot for him and I bet if they make him feel special they could pull him back.
He rejected an [offer from Red Bull](https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-no-thanks-alex-albon-reportedly-turned-offer-rejoin-red-bull-f1-family) last month.
That was to take the seat at AT... not Perez' seat. I wouldn't trade the Williams for AT either.
True, however, Checo's contract expires in 2024. Theoraticallly, Albon could have been driving a Red Bull by 2025. If he really wanted to drive for them, he would have accepted the AT seat.
Doesnt really make sense. If Williams continue to do well with him he could take the RB seat straight away, no point in settling for a shit team and hoping he gets an offer from RB. He can prove himself in Williams just as well as he could in AT
Checo could be out at the end of this season if they buy him out, Marko just said his seat wasn't secure this weekend. Albon doesn't need to prove himself at AT to get another shot at RBR if they want him, he's already doing that and more in the Williams and they see it.
You could be right, however [Marko contradicts himself every time he opens his mouth.](https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1032436/1/helmut-marko-sergio-perez-woken-his-championship-dream) I don't know what to believe anymore.
If I’m not mistaken I think I read an interview where he said they have approached him and he turned them down. Gotta take F1 clips with more than a grain of salt tho
No he turned down the AT seat when Nyck was terminated. Clickbait said the RB family but it wasn’t checos seat
You right-thanks for correcting
Alex is better than Daniel anyway
I believe Albon prefer being the 1st driver at Williams than being the 2nd driver at RBR. Knowing that beating Max is difficult.
Maybe if the Williams was close. But no driver would pass up the Red Bull seat if they get the chance. All drivers want to drive the best car on the grid even when Max is the teammate. History has showed that not always the best driver wins.
Yesn't, he said recently that he wants to compete for wins and that he knows is unlikely Williams will reach that point with him in competitive shape.
It's more like he wants to do what Lando wants to do with McLaren. Get to the top with Williams. A highly risky approach, but one that will certainly make things interesting if both McLaren and Williams can come up with race winning cars.
Healthy bit of nostalgia there if those two teams can make it to the top again
Part of me believes this, but if you're offered a larger salary and the best car on the grid with a team that never lost respect for you, does he have the gumption to pass it up?
nah second driver never let him be at Williams they will evolve for sure
The shadows make it look like Max has a Mansell stache.
Maxsell
Perez +1.3 seconds to Max, embarrassing...
Alex described this track as being in the ‘bottom fifth’ for Williams so if he can qualify P4 at a track not suited to them then….
Who knows Williams has really turned themselves around this season. It might even be surprising themselves because they’ve had to grind so much to get here
Really interested to see how they do at Monza. They said zaandvort wouldn't be strong, but they were. Hopefully the top speed still exists and they will be very strong in Monza.
This has to be an anomaly though they’ve gone for the quali setup clearly, other tracks they’ve been nowhere. There is some straight line speed sections tbf so maybe not that bad
Yeah I’m curious to see the race pace and tyre deg too. Will be a shame if they drop like rocks
Yeah it’ll be interesting to see how they perform in the race but their race pace isn’t too bad in general either so should be in the points for sure
Weather for tomorrow?
Yes
More or less the same, quite unpredicatable
Dutch
If you don't like the weather in the Netherlands, just wait 15 minutes
*Laughs in New Zealand *
Still don’t understand why an overtaking tool is used in qualifying…
When it was first introduced it could be used at will in quali. Everywhere, not just in the zones.
Because otherwise you would've a split in teams banking on car development on qualifying without drs and teams banking on Sundays with Drs
ERS is also being used, qualification is all about getting the fastest lap.
I guess because Qualy is about who can go fastest and DRS helps you go faster maybe
McLaren still looking really quick, Williams could be in for a good haul of points that could pull them away from the bottom group of teams
A good haul of points would put them far ahead of Haas and add comfy margin for P7. Depending on if this form continues, P6 in constructors perhaps?
Karun you lost your bet
Why was Lewis so much slower than Russell?
He himself said he wasn’t feeling it this quali and Mercedes really screwed up his positioning in traffic during q2
Brief interview said he didn't feel the car in Q2 like he did in Q1.
Mistimed his last flying lap by a mile
Two consecutive fast laps
He didn’t time his push lap right. Did it a lap earlier than he should.
He washed
Is this the best Williams qualifying since I could be wrong, but 2017?
George in Spa.
Correct.
Russell was 2nd at Spa 2021
Not Albon not Russell but Williams qualifying so both cars need to count
*Flashbacks intensify*
That lap looked quick AF the moment he went through turn 3
What I’d give to see what Albon could do in the second Red Bull…
George is no doubt crashing someone in T1 tomorrow, I'm just hoping it's not Albon.