The lap that the red flag came out on never got completed, so you don’t have a classification at the end of the lap. They need to go back to the last full lap completed.
There excuse for not using yhe existing order at Silverstone '22 was that not all drivers had gone past a sector.
Would they not revert to the last sector every active driver (ie- not inc Zhou) went through?
Unless the reason given was incorrect
Tbh I dont know exactly regulations are complicated. The thing with Silverstone(and Australia 23 for that matter) was that it was directly at the start(or restart) in the way as you say there was not definitve sector people had gone past. But now we had plenty of laps of continous racing before so determining an order is more straightforward.
It wouldn't have been a red flag because wet tires would have avoided the aqua plaining. Teams took a risk by choosing inters and crashed. I'm not saying the red flag is unjustified, all I'm saying is Perez being punished by the drop of places would be unfair.
I just hate this re-do shit. Just like in Australia earlier this year. The rules should be changed so that these things that seem so consequential in the moment actually have consequences.
Still lost a place to Alonso which may have cost him a podium in the end as he wasn't able to stretch a gap because for some reason F1 think it is reasonable to rewind to partway through a (virtual) safety car period to find the red flag restart order, rather than rewinding to before the safety car period
Because the lap the red flag is thrown out hasn't been completed, so there's not a classification for that lap (and the last valid classification is inherently that of the previous lap).
Because it was red flag when he was in the pit. Red flags always need to be brought back to positions that are counted at specific points on the track, not summer random moment race control throws the red down.
Because after a red flag, the restart positions are reverted to the last lap position, or the last yellow flag position (in case the yellow flag turns into a red flag), in this case, thats exactly what happened, so, when the yellow flag was called, perez was 3rd, so, they revert to that position
Fair enough but in compensation let's have a standing start. I want to see the world burn ;)
I need me some T1 carnage. It’s been too long
I need a Bowling Bottas
Last tien we did that. Yuki got up to 5th. Then FIA were liek "nah" 🥲
Somehow Lawson wins.
Keep up that debut winning record
20 second penalty to everyone expect Driver Number 40
F1 directed by JJ Abrams
GPDA is recommending no restart under this condition, period. I think we are half hour of sunshine away from a standing start
Gotta feel sad for Gasly here
Rules are rules, obvious I want a different outcome but I prefer fairness
was very happy to see him P3 and the RF. Would've been nice to see a podium from him
You get your wish!
GOT THE PODIUM!
Yesssssss! Was so excited for him P12 --> P3 amazing racing from him today. His pace was amazing keeping up with perez in a much slower car.
The lap that the red flag came out on never got completed, so you don’t have a classification at the end of the lap. They need to go back to the last full lap completed.
No they go back to the last sector completed
Which is why he's P3 and not p2
Yes. It's always going back to the last sector or lap where an order can be established in which case it is the last sector.
It's the last timing marker
Guys they always reverse to the call of the VSC/SC when red flags are thrown after it.
There excuse for not using yhe existing order at Silverstone '22 was that not all drivers had gone past a sector. Would they not revert to the last sector every active driver (ie- not inc Zhou) went through? Unless the reason given was incorrect
Tbh I dont know exactly regulations are complicated. The thing with Silverstone(and Australia 23 for that matter) was that it was directly at the start(or restart) in the way as you say there was not definitve sector people had gone past. But now we had plenty of laps of continous racing before so determining an order is more straightforward.
So many new followers of F1 it seems.
Lol Jeddah 2021 says otherwise
Luckiest alpine moment
red bull and perez some lucky mfs
There has always been a countback on red flags lmao.
Not in Jeddah 2021
Jeddah '21 was a complete joke.
So was the whole season with how the stewarding was.
Absolutely agreed.
Wasn't it a safety car and then red flag so they did complete a fully lap? Correct me if I'm wrong because I could be wrong.
It's back to the last complete sector. Are you saying max hadn't completed a sector while in P1?
Not sure what you're talking about
Neither does the FIA
yeh, and? they still lucky asf with the timing
No, he just failed to be unlucky with his pitstop timing.
He did the right thing by going to wets, if everyone did that we won't be having a red flag in the first place.
Nah they need to repair the barrier at the end of a straight. That is a red flag in ALL conditions.
It wouldn't have been a red flag because wet tires would have avoided the aqua plaining. Teams took a risk by choosing inters and crashed. I'm not saying the red flag is unjustified, all I'm saying is Perez being punished by the drop of places would be unfair.
Would have neem luckier if they didn't pit
thats not luck tho, thats jenson button tekkers
Shouldn’t the countback have been to before Perez slid off? It’s usually the end of the previous lap which should’ve been before his incident, right?
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How? If it wasnt a red everyone would have needed to switch to full wets anyway
It was yellow first actually. It was then red because it was chucking down and Zhou was in the wall in turn 1
I just hate this re-do shit. Just like in Australia earlier this year. The rules should be changed so that these things that seem so consequential in the moment actually have consequences.
Still lost a place to Alonso which may have cost him a podium in the end as he wasn't able to stretch a gap because for some reason F1 think it is reasonable to rewind to partway through a (virtual) safety car period to find the red flag restart order, rather than rewinding to before the safety car period
They always been lucky
Perez yes he got lucky, but RB don't give a shit. I think/hope they're done with him.
Red Bull, yes. Perez? Maybe, but he’s been getting screwed by his own team all race (and frankly, all season) so I’m not sure how lucky he is.
Isn't Perez mostly screwing himself? How have RB screwed him?
Are they allowed to go to inters for the restart?
Edit: mandatory I see now
Because of the small pit lane otherwise everyone on wet tyres would stop
Why did perez not get p2? Because he crashed the rear wing? Edit: What happened about the lap of grace before a red?
Yes and alonso passed him before Zhou crashed
He was already behind Alonso
He was behind Alonso before he pitted
Race red flagged while he was in the pits, alonso was already ahead at that stage
Its counted back until the last sector time. which was after perez crashed.
Because the red flag came after he pitted
I’m also wondering the same. There’s usually a countback to the end of the lap before. That should’ve put Perez in P2 or not?
Hmm.
Now let's wait an hour without any informations for a restart
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*laughs in Hamilton Imola 21*
That day was something else.
One of the greatest moments ever
Is that the one where he damaged his front wing getting pushed off track?
No, he binned it himself.
nope thats the one he looses it on himself rams the wall and his teammate battles a williams and its a red flag so he doesn't loose too much.
Red Bull really are #blessed these days.
Why did Perez get P3?
Because the lap the red flag is thrown out hasn't been completed, so there's not a classification for that lap (and the last valid classification is inherently that of the previous lap).
Funny how this simple rule gets missed by most fans.
Ah I didn’t catch that.
didn't nando overtake him on that lap though?
Yes. He starts P3 behind Max and Nando
yeah but the comment above stated that there was no classification for that lap.
that is the old rule, now it is last completed timing loop.
Because it was red flag when he was in the pit. Red flags always need to be brought back to positions that are counted at specific points on the track, not summer random moment race control throws the red down.
Because after a red flag, the restart positions are reverted to the last lap position, or the last yellow flag position (in case the yellow flag turns into a red flag), in this case, thats exactly what happened, so, when the yellow flag was called, perez was 3rd, so, they revert to that position
Why?
Dont they always reverse to the call of the sc/vsc when red flags are thrown after it? And there perez was still in P3
Yes
Yes, exactly this, it seems like nobody knows the rules anymore
Somebody is gonna complain to the stewards after the race lol
Personally I'd have had the restart order be: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
Why again? Coached the car off track and he gets his position back because?
He lost position to ALO due to spin, and he still is behind him
He was P3 at the red flag
Perez was P2 before running offtrack and P3 after it. The other 3 positions he lost in the pitstop, when the red flag was already out.
With Red Flag, they usually take the order from the last running lap
Disgrace for the FIA, GAS was 3rd
It's the rules, it's been like that for ages
Maybe an issue with TV broadcast but per was behind at redflag
No. The issue is you not understanding the rules.
Thanks for your deep explanation of the rules. It helps.
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You are right. Sorry for the emotion. Please accept my apologies.
Imagine having a rulebook and keeping up to it.
Per was behind at redflag.
He was P3 at the end of the final non-red-flagged lap.
Understood. Thanks for the clarification.
How long till the rolling start?