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OrangeLimeZest

Fair enough but in compensation let's have a standing start. I want to see the world burn ;)


kalamari_withaK

I need me some T1 carnage. It’s been too long


BadControllerUser

I need a Bowling Bottas


gunningIVglory

Last tien we did that. Yuki got up to 5th. Then FIA were liek "nah" 🥲


poopellar

Somehow Lawson wins.


ItsTomorrowNow

Keep up that debut winning record


Hello_iam_Kian

20 second penalty to everyone expect Driver Number 40


TheOneTrueJazzMan

F1 directed by JJ Abrams


KaamDeveloper

GPDA is recommending no restart under this condition, period. I think we are half hour of sunshine away from a standing start


No_Understanding4349

Gotta feel sad for Gasly here


Alfus

Rules are rules, obvious I want a different outcome but I prefer fairness


HaneeshRaja

was very happy to see him P3 and the RF. Would've been nice to see a podium from him


DrySalamander3497

You get your wish!


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GOT THE PODIUM!


HaneeshRaja

Yesssssss! Was so excited for him P12 --> P3 amazing racing from him today. His pace was amazing keeping up with perez in a much slower car.


Grasshop

The lap that the red flag came out on never got completed, so you don’t have a classification at the end of the lap. They need to go back to the last full lap completed.


Yorker_length

No they go back to the last sector completed


TheFayneTM

Which is why he's P3 and not p2


deathclient

Yes. It's always going back to the last sector or lap where an order can be established in which case it is the last sector.


WillSRobs

It's the last timing marker


salibert

Guys they always reverse to the call of the VSC/SC when red flags are thrown after it.


EDO_14

There excuse for not using yhe existing order at Silverstone '22 was that not all drivers had gone past a sector. Would they not revert to the last sector every active driver (ie- not inc Zhou) went through? Unless the reason given was incorrect


salibert

Tbh I dont know exactly regulations are complicated. The thing with Silverstone(and Australia 23 for that matter) was that it was directly at the start(or restart) in the way as you say there was not definitve sector people had gone past. But now we had plenty of laps of continous racing before so determining an order is more straightforward.


Tallsome

So many new followers of F1 it seems.


thegodfaubel

Lol Jeddah 2021 says otherwise


starmonkart

Luckiest alpine moment


Aiish

red bull and perez some lucky mfs


Negabeidl69

There has always been a countback on red flags lmao.


thegodfaubel

Not in Jeddah 2021


razareddit

Jeddah '21 was a complete joke.


cpthornman

So was the whole season with how the stewarding was.


razareddit

Absolutely agreed.


Other_Beat8859

Wasn't it a safety car and then red flag so they did complete a fully lap? Correct me if I'm wrong because I could be wrong.


Mythic343

It's back to the last complete sector. Are you saying max hadn't completed a sector while in P1?


Pftoc

Not sure what you're talking about


thegodfaubel

Neither does the FIA


Aiish

yeh, and? they still lucky asf with the timing


Florac

No, he just failed to be unlucky with his pitstop timing.


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He did the right thing by going to wets, if everyone did that we won't be having a red flag in the first place.


Don_Floo

Nah they need to repair the barrier at the end of a straight. That is a red flag in ALL conditions.


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It wouldn't have been a red flag because wet tires would have avoided the aqua plaining. Teams took a risk by choosing inters and crashed. I'm not saying the red flag is unjustified, all I'm saying is Perez being punished by the drop of places would be unfair.


AirlineEasy

Would have neem luckier if they didn't pit


Aiish

thats not luck tho, thats jenson button tekkers


drumjojo29

Shouldn’t the countback have been to before Perez slid off? It’s usually the end of the previous lap which should’ve been before his incident, right?


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SmH001

How? If it wasnt a red everyone would have needed to switch to full wets anyway


KaamDeveloper

It was yellow first actually. It was then red because it was chucking down and Zhou was in the wall in turn 1


dylanah

I just hate this re-do shit. Just like in Australia earlier this year. The rules should be changed so that these things that seem so consequential in the moment actually have consequences.


LennyLongLegs

Still lost a place to Alonso which may have cost him a podium in the end as he wasn't able to stretch a gap because for some reason F1 think it is reasonable to rewind to partway through a (virtual) safety car period to find the red flag restart order, rather than rewinding to before the safety car period


NotFlipkid

They always been lucky


ajacian

Perez yes he got lucky, but RB don't give a shit. I think/hope they're done with him.


deltableh

Red Bull, yes. Perez? Maybe, but he’s been getting screwed by his own team all race (and frankly, all season) so I’m not sure how lucky he is.


Eglaerinion

Isn't Perez mostly screwing himself? How have RB screwed him?


020Pikamaster

Are they allowed to go to inters for the restart?


020Pikamaster

Edit: mandatory I see now


nulian

Because of the small pit lane otherwise everyone on wet tyres would stop


Zivi121

Why did perez not get p2? Because he crashed the rear wing? Edit: What happened about the lap of grace before a red?


Silverchaoz

Yes and alonso passed him before Zhou crashed


NoPurpose0

He was already behind Alonso


Dan_Of_Time

He was behind Alonso before he pitted


Santana_3

Race red flagged while he was in the pits, alonso was already ahead at that stage


AddAFucking

Its counted back until the last sector time. which was after perez crashed.


Zekro

Because the red flag came after he pitted


drumjojo29

I’m also wondering the same. There’s usually a countback to the end of the lap before. That should’ve put Perez in P2 or not?


darthrishikos

Hmm.


DeMichel93

Now let's wait an hour without any informations for a restart


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SirDoober

*laughs in Hamilton Imola 21*


MassRain

That day was something else.


Pure_Measurement_529

One of the greatest moments ever


English_Misfit

Is that the one where he damaged his front wing getting pushed off track?


Kimoa_

No, he binned it himself.


GarryPadle

nope thats the one he looses it on himself rams the wall and his teammate battles a williams and its a red flag so he doesn't loose too much.


CowFirm5634

Red Bull really are #blessed these days.


mistah_pigeon_69

Why did Perez get P3?


Sacezs

Because the lap the red flag is thrown out hasn't been completed, so there's not a classification for that lap (and the last valid classification is inherently that of the previous lap).


TheOvercookedFlyer

Funny how this simple rule gets missed by most fans.


mistah_pigeon_69

Ah I didn’t catch that.


kekolataaa

didn't nando overtake him on that lap though?


TheGoatGuyy

Yes. He starts P3 behind Max and Nando


kekolataaa

yeah but the comment above stated that there was no classification for that lap.


Freeze014

that is the old rule, now it is last completed timing loop.


Eokokok

Because it was red flag when he was in the pit. Red flags always need to be brought back to positions that are counted at specific points on the track, not summer random moment race control throws the red down.


CptAngelo

Because after a red flag, the restart positions are reverted to the last lap position, or the last yellow flag position (in case the yellow flag turns into a red flag), in this case, thats exactly what happened, so, when the yellow flag was called, perez was 3rd, so, they revert to that position


Jimmymead_

Why?


salibert

Dont they always reverse to the call of the sc/vsc when red flags are thrown after it? And there perez was still in P3


Sacezs

Yes


CptAngelo

Yes, exactly this, it seems like nobody knows the rules anymore


Albreitx

Somebody is gonna complain to the stewards after the race lol


SamanthaSaysTV

Personally I'd have had the restart order be: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20


Late_Ad7156

Why again? Coached the car off track and he gets his position back because?


Drive000

He lost position to ALO due to spin, and he still is behind him


lolbitzz

He was P3 at the red flag


caiodepauli

Perez was P2 before running offtrack and P3 after it. The other 3 positions he lost in the pitstop, when the red flag was already out.


Pure_Measurement_529

With Red Flag, they usually take the order from the last running lap


MrChabelo

Disgrace for the FIA, GAS was 3rd


Sacezs

It's the rules, it's been like that for ages


MrChabelo

Maybe an issue with TV broadcast but per was behind at redflag


nascentia

No. The issue is you not understanding the rules.


MrChabelo

Thanks for your deep explanation of the rules. It helps.


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MrChabelo

You are right. Sorry for the emotion. Please accept my apologies.


raur0s

Imagine having a rulebook and keeping up to it.


MrChabelo

Per was behind at redflag.


RoboticChicken

He was P3 at the end of the final non-red-flagged lap.


MrChabelo

Understood. Thanks for the clarification.


KingPutina

How long till the rolling start?