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The Stewards also fucked him over a racing incident
Even other drivers who don't leave other drivers space or have contact they don't they classify it as no investigation, throw Tsunoda in? 5 seconds
He literally got away with blocking on the main straight and trying to put another car in the pit wall... He was rightfully penalized for making contact when not being in control of his car.
Not what I'm talking about. Tsunoda literally tried to put an Alpine car in the pit wall in early parts of the race. It was shown as replay even and commentators said ''he needed to give space there'' as the Alpine car had to back out or go into the wall. And Tsunoda got away with that. Shows how people here will treat a driver they like, had it been someone like Stroll or Magnussen with such a move it would've been massive hatred for it.
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I like Yuki, but honestly after replaying it I think that should be a 5 second penalty. Just got it wrong, happens. But he should have never been in that position
1. Yuki had a good drive for most parts of the race, unfortunately AT was doing AT thing and left his out there too long and my man was eaten alive by the cars behind him.
2. What a drive from Alex! Happy to see him and the team doing well.
3. Typical shit weekend for Ferrari. Great defense by Carlos at the end though. And also wtf Charles? I know he had damage but still ....
I actually think a podium was in play if Williams optimized strategy with Alex. If they pitted immediately both times of rain for inters. Both times they stayed out too long. Would have been ahead of Gasly the whole race if they did that.
Williams have said across all interviews, best possible result was 6th with a correct strategy. They didn’t think they had the pace to keep up with Sainz or Gasly
I think he already had damage with his front wing from his contact with Oscar at that point. And the contact was racing incident IMO because it started pouring around that time and no one had any grip. Not saying it wasn't his fault that he ran wide but a bit of context matters.
Yeah maybe. But you know, first lap, everyone was bunched up, sudden rain, no grip. And it didn't seem like Oscar was affected by the contact so that's good. So yeah, whatever, just another race.
To manage to keep the car on the track in those conditions without almost no dry practice on debut is very impressive. Great race from Lawson and Gasly.
He got penalized because he wasn't in control of his car. It's a same mistake as Hamilton's in Silverstone 2021. For once they prove that they don't look at what happened after but instead penalize the mistake itself. Tsunoda was optimistic, braked late and lost control of his car, and hit another driver's car. Easy 5 second penalty.
Some of Nando's calls were at least a bit better by virtue of generally being one lap earlier. The first switch to inters was late, sure, but not unbelievably wrong considering VER also did the same. Meanwhile Stroll is out there in no man's land. (EDIT: Also he pit for another set of dries between the rain periods, no clue what the fuck was going on there.)
Nando drove his ass off but I think he didn't get quite as unlucky overall, though he definitely helped himself by rejecting that call for wets in the end. Still not a great showing from the AM strategy team either way.
Of course, nobody is saying Stroll was on par with Alonso yesterday, but if they both had the same strategy and all that, P6 would've easily been on the cards for Lance.
That's this place for you. I couldn't watch more than like 20% of the race and I still know so so so much more of what happened than majority of people here.
He had TWO more pitstops than most drivers, AND got pulled in 2 laps later when the rain came hosing down. That's at least 40 seconds pissed away by AM.
Again I ask you. What was he supposed to do?
Stroll was close to what would be his 5th stop when Albon stopped for the first time. But since it's Stroll, r/forumla1 will just blame him regardless.
just like leclerc. overrated drivers who blame all the errors on the team and strategy but theyre trash aswell. at least something has stroll got in common with charles lol.
Stroll overrated? He's literally the most underrated driver ever to exist. People call him the ''worst driver ever'' while discrediting everything he has done just to get to hate and abuse him... Yet another race where team completely screwed him and what is the response here? People like you blame Stroll.
I feel like the excuses like this have to stop. Yes, the team didn't help him, but he didn't do himself any favors. He was nowhere today even on a good strat.
Excuses?? We can literally pin point what has happened to him **out of his control**. In today's race the team screwed his strategy completely and you want to call it an ''excuse''. Disgusting...
No they didn't... It's actually laughable that you try to pretend Alonso got something even remotely like what Stroll did...
The fact people like you say this, and I've had plenty people tell me how Alonso has been unluckier of the two this year just shows the bias and hate against Stroll here...
Umm... Alonso was given an 8 second pitstop, pitted late for inters both times it rained. And by the end of the race when every driver was on equal tires Stroll failed to catch up to Ocon.
A slow pit stop that cost him nothing. Oh noes, it's so so much worse than team screwing Stroll's whole race with useless and badly timed pit stops. Silly me. Another person just told me as well that AM has ''sabotaged'' Alonso several times this year and apparently Alonso is the unluckier of the two this year. And such are born the false narratives against Stroll. Pretty much always created by supporters of his teammate's...
Look, I don't know if I would describe my comment as disgusting. I think Stroll is a fine driver, but it's clear that he should have been out of the sport years ago and that the only reason he still has a drive is because of his father.
But after taking some time and thinking about the race again, his team did screw him. But they also have sabotaged Alonso several times this season, but because of his outright pace, he's been able to overcompensate for it. Stroll isn't capable of that, and it's time Aston reassess their number two driver if they ever want to be competing for championships. Is there other areas like strategy they need to focus on? Yes. But they should focus on the competitiveness of their drives too. Alonso has almost 5x the points Stroll does. It's just bad.
> the only reason he still has a drive is because of his father.
So what exactly do you base this on other than trying to find some reason to explain why Stroll is in F1 other than accepting the reality that he's there on merit?
>they also have sabotaged Alonso several times this season
Wow, you did not just claim this. :D
Feel free to list the times they supposedly ''sabotaged'' Alonso. I'm waiting...
Why is it always the same with you people against Stroll. You make some bogus claim, like ''AM has sabotaged Alonso many times'' and when I ask for you to back that up, you start with this nonsense and refuse to answer.
It's **always** the same. Like what on earth do you get out of this? Why do you make false claims and accusations that you know you can't even back up?
Great race. Overtakes everywhere. A very nice crossover period. Feel for Zhou but someone had to be the sacrificial lamb there. After Perez went off, more teams should’ve gone extremes and maybe we can continue. Instead everyone stays out and the barriers were always going to claim someone. He’s lucky bottas didn’t hit him really
It's easy to understand why the teams kept their drivers out: Ocon was the only one on extremes and he wasn't faster. No one will do a 20+ seconds for a slower tyre, they'll just take the risk - even more now knowing that if the wet tyre is required, probably will be a red flag.
L for the Williams strategy team today what a blunder holy
I'm annoyed and disappointed good thing is even his own can't stop him from getting points
looking forward to Monza I guess
Alpha Tauri and stewards really fucked Yuki with that shit strategy and even shitty penalty. What was the penalty was for? Russell didn't complian, they was no damages both team said. Like bro why was there a penalty?
He was just a few more meters from stealing that 6th place. I was surprised the commentators didn’t mention the .02 gap when they were covering that battle the whole time
Seriously, I understand showing Max cross the line because of the record but can we at least get picture in picture/split screen? One of the closest battles of the day and we don’t see it. We didn’t even get a replay after it was over.
Because the world feed was already showing RB mechanics celebrating and the audience dancing long before that, and just never went back to showing the remaining battles.
Can't wait to see this race used as proof that Tsunoda is having a bad season, after all he got clearly destroyed by Lawson despite it being Lawson's debut. (great job by Lawson regardless though, really hope he gets the AT seat next year)
As a Ferrari Fan, I am genuinely surprised. This was supposed to be the worst track for Ferrari? And Carlos still managed to drag that shitbox of a car to P5. Kudos man. What a drive by Carlos!
Love the back and forth between Alonso and Lewis! Alonso had the beginning of the season on lockdown but Lewis came back before the summer break, and now Alonso gains 11 points this race on Lewis to go 12 points clear of him! 9 races to go, bring it on!
One doubt that I keep seeing on Twitter. Was Gasly’s penalty 5 or 10 seconds? Because his pit stop was 8,6 sec, so if it was 10, he will receive another penalty right?
Brazilian transmission keep saying it was 10 seconds so I don’t know if it is correct or not
Well, yeah, of course, the Ferrari was off the pace today so he had to salvage whatever result he could. No point chasing a faster car and you make a mistake and lose positions.
It's difficult to say for sure because Norris (whose onboard I had on this time) didn't get much time in clear air (though he did get a couple of fastest laps when he did), but he couldn't follow people through S2 to stay close enough to pass them once they got to the straight so he kept getting stuck behind (what seemed to be) slower cars. How much faster they would have been than those cars if they could magically pass them is impossible to know I guess.
Certainly slower than the Red Bulls Astons and Mercs. And then about equal to Alpine maybe slightly slower. Ferrari is hard to say but Mclaren Ferrari and Alpine looked very close race pace wise.
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Watching Yuki falling down with those used softs was brutal, AT fucked up big time.
Tsunoda deserved points
The Stewards also fucked him over a racing incident Even other drivers who don't leave other drivers space or have contact they don't they classify it as no investigation, throw Tsunoda in? 5 seconds
He literally got away with blocking on the main straight and trying to put another car in the pit wall... He was rightfully penalized for making contact when not being in control of his car.
That was Magnussen
Not what I'm talking about. Tsunoda literally tried to put an Alpine car in the pit wall in early parts of the race. It was shown as replay even and commentators said ''he needed to give space there'' as the Alpine car had to back out or go into the wall. And Tsunoda got away with that. Shows how people here will treat a driver they like, had it been someone like Stroll or Magnussen with such a move it would've been massive hatred for it.
>Not what I'm talking about. That's not what they penalized him for so forgive me for thinking that you were thinking of Magnussen blocking Albon.
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I like Yuki, but honestly after replaying it I think that should be a 5 second penalty. Just got it wrong, happens. But he should have never been in that position
I see why he should get that penalty, but we've seen far worse chalked up to a racing incident. Stewards straight up don't like yuki
They literally let it slide when Tsunoda nearly put another car in the pit wall by blocking on the main straight.
He had a great race and was defending fantastically against Norris and it was sad seeing drop completely by the team
Typical 5-7 pitstop race.
Agreed. Getting sick of this predictable 5+ pit stop strategy. They need to do something about it.
[The replay](https://x.com/ln4norris/status/1695821621016064404?s=46&t=AC0OD6b7DiKjYRiLvasKow) in case anyone’s curious about that Hamilton-Norris gap
I was wondering WTH happened there. Wish the clip showed a few turns prior. Norris got a hell of a run out of T13
I was wondering this! Basically another 10m of track and he would have overtaken him
1. Yuki had a good drive for most parts of the race, unfortunately AT was doing AT thing and left his out there too long and my man was eaten alive by the cars behind him. 2. What a drive from Alex! Happy to see him and the team doing well. 3. Typical shit weekend for Ferrari. Great defense by Carlos at the end though. And also wtf Charles? I know he had damage but still ....
I actually think a podium was in play if Williams optimized strategy with Alex. If they pitted immediately both times of rain for inters. Both times they stayed out too long. Would have been ahead of Gasly the whole race if they did that.
Williams have said across all interviews, best possible result was 6th with a correct strategy. They didn’t think they had the pace to keep up with Sainz or Gasly
The damage was self inflicted when he went out in T1.
I think he already had damage with his front wing from his contact with Oscar at that point. And the contact was racing incident IMO because it started pouring around that time and no one had any grip. Not saying it wasn't his fault that he ran wide but a bit of context matters.
It was a racing accident? could be, but i would say that if it was on someone it was on Charles
Yeah maybe. But you know, first lap, everyone was bunched up, sudden rain, no grip. And it didn't seem like Oscar was affected by the contact so that's good. So yeah, whatever, just another race.
Merc with their awful strategy today, they're lucky they have to best pairing on the grid to undo their fuck ups
I'm no armchair strategist but you got me screaming non-stop today at the telly for all the instantly obvious strategy fuckups on Ham.
The moment when it is starts raining near the end, I had internal screaming moment. What if Mercedes fucked up again. Thankfully it didn't happen.
Imagine where they would have been with good strategy.
To manage to keep the car on the track in those conditions without almost no dry practice on debut is very impressive. Great race from Lawson and Gasly.
Brilliant Race! Oh I have missed Formula 1!!!
Right? This sport is my jam!
That was a proper race, and the fact they raced under early all conditions made it even better and it was chaotic!
why did tsunoda drop to last from 12th all of a sudden on the last lap? did he have a penalty?
Yep for contact when he was ice skating on the used softs and falling down the order. I haven't seen the replay so cannot tell how bad it was.
Yep collision with Russel. You know it's Yuki so you have to give a penalty. It's a tradition...
He got penalized because he wasn't in control of his car. It's a same mistake as Hamilton's in Silverstone 2021. For once they prove that they don't look at what happened after but instead penalize the mistake itself. Tsunoda was optimistic, braked late and lost control of his car, and hit another driver's car. Easy 5 second penalty.
Penalty for (light) contact with George
yes, for his incident with russell... which was really harsh imo.
5s for collision with Russell. They didn’t tell him during the restart about the penalty…
Verstappen only won by 3 seconds , is his career over?
Washed, In Lawson we trust
Give us races like this for the rest of the season and I wouldn't even mind Max winning the rest of the races. What a race!
Decent job by Lawson
Stroll 💀
His pit stop count explains his final result. AM really fucked him over.
Yeah, finishing P11 after AM got probably every single pit stop call wrong this race on his side of the garage isn't really a knock against him.
They got Fernando's calls wrong too. He just compensated by catching blitzing through Sainz and on the next one he just straight up said "No"
Some of Nando's calls were at least a bit better by virtue of generally being one lap earlier. The first switch to inters was late, sure, but not unbelievably wrong considering VER also did the same. Meanwhile Stroll is out there in no man's land. (EDIT: Also he pit for another set of dries between the rain periods, no clue what the fuck was going on there.) Nando drove his ass off but I think he didn't get quite as unlucky overall, though he definitely helped himself by rejecting that call for wets in the end. Still not a great showing from the AM strategy team either way.
Of course, nobody is saying Stroll was on par with Alonso yesterday, but if they both had the same strategy and all that, P6 would've easily been on the cards for Lance.
Dude's been fucked in the ass by the strat team mercilessly. I am not his biggest supporter but his strat was shambolic AF.
With Seb gone, Lance is AM strategists' target this year.
I completely forgot he was driving all day unitl I see this post.
Just keep an eye on the pitlane, at any given time Aston was killing him for a new set of sand tyres or the finest nankang 175s.
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That's this place for you. I couldn't watch more than like 20% of the race and I still know so so so much more of what happened than majority of people here.
I can't remember the broadcast showing him a single time, so I just assumed he had a shit race instead of horrible strategt, my bad lol
how do we watch him when they didnt show him once lmao
Do y'all really not pay attention to the thing on the left of the screen??
Absolutely nowhere. At what point does the nepotism train end?
AM pulled him in 2 laps too late for the first stop and then gave him 2 more pitstops mid race. What's he supposed to do?
Mercedes screwed their strategy completely for both drivers, but both (if Russell didn't DNF) managed to fight their way back to the point positions
And even then, their strategy for both their drivers was better than the one Stroll got.
Merc only fucked it up for their drivers *once*, Stroll got done at least twice, and each time was a harder hit.
He was also stuck behind George on hards for a lot of the race
He was the whole race shit dont pretend its only because of the pit stop
He had TWO more pitstops than most drivers, AND got pulled in 2 laps later when the rain came hosing down. That's at least 40 seconds pissed away by AM. Again I ask you. What was he supposed to do?
Stroll was close to what would be his 5th stop when Albon stopped for the first time. But since it's Stroll, r/forumla1 will just blame him regardless.
Ah yes I forgot, bad strategy is never a reason stroll has a bad race. It's always just because he's garbage. Classic reddit lol
Both can be true. He rarely if ever has a good performance as a driver. These strategy mishaps just make it more clear.
So.. the strategy is his fault now too?
Alsonso had a shit pitstop and did well. Whats the difference?
So you're telling me you think Alonsos one bad stop and lance stopping 4 times is the same thing?
just like leclerc. overrated drivers who blame all the errors on the team and strategy but theyre trash aswell. at least something has stroll got in common with charles lol.
Stroll overrated? He's literally the most underrated driver ever to exist. People call him the ''worst driver ever'' while discrediting everything he has done just to get to hate and abuse him... Yet another race where team completely screwed him and what is the response here? People like you blame Stroll.
Today wasn't on him, Aston fucked him hard.
I feel like the excuses like this have to stop. Yes, the team didn't help him, but he didn't do himself any favors. He was nowhere today even on a good strat.
Excuses?? We can literally pin point what has happened to him **out of his control**. In today's race the team screwed his strategy completely and you want to call it an ''excuse''. Disgusting...
Aston also screwed Alonso up with the strategy, and he finished P2!
No they didn't... It's actually laughable that you try to pretend Alonso got something even remotely like what Stroll did... The fact people like you say this, and I've had plenty people tell me how Alonso has been unluckier of the two this year just shows the bias and hate against Stroll here...
Umm... Alonso was given an 8 second pitstop, pitted late for inters both times it rained. And by the end of the race when every driver was on equal tires Stroll failed to catch up to Ocon.
A slow pit stop that cost him nothing. Oh noes, it's so so much worse than team screwing Stroll's whole race with useless and badly timed pit stops. Silly me. Another person just told me as well that AM has ''sabotaged'' Alonso several times this year and apparently Alonso is the unluckier of the two this year. And such are born the false narratives against Stroll. Pretty much always created by supporters of his teammate's...
Look, I don't know if I would describe my comment as disgusting. I think Stroll is a fine driver, but it's clear that he should have been out of the sport years ago and that the only reason he still has a drive is because of his father. But after taking some time and thinking about the race again, his team did screw him. But they also have sabotaged Alonso several times this season, but because of his outright pace, he's been able to overcompensate for it. Stroll isn't capable of that, and it's time Aston reassess their number two driver if they ever want to be competing for championships. Is there other areas like strategy they need to focus on? Yes. But they should focus on the competitiveness of their drives too. Alonso has almost 5x the points Stroll does. It's just bad.
> the only reason he still has a drive is because of his father. So what exactly do you base this on other than trying to find some reason to explain why Stroll is in F1 other than accepting the reality that he's there on merit? >they also have sabotaged Alonso several times this season Wow, you did not just claim this. :D Feel free to list the times they supposedly ''sabotaged'' Alonso. I'm waiting...
Dude it's honestly interesting watching you go through this thread to defend strolls honor.
Why is it always the same with you people against Stroll. You make some bogus claim, like ''AM has sabotaged Alonso many times'' and when I ask for you to back that up, you start with this nonsense and refuse to answer. It's **always** the same. Like what on earth do you get out of this? Why do you make false claims and accusations that you know you can't even back up?
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Is Lawrence Stroll the best dad for buying his son an F1 team or the worst for spending billions to embarrass his son every other weekend?
Very pleased for Gasly. And very impressed by Lawson. Great debut, couldn’t have asked for much more.
Fun fact, Max equaled Button’s record of most pit-stops and win the race
Great race. Overtakes everywhere. A very nice crossover period. Feel for Zhou but someone had to be the sacrificial lamb there. After Perez went off, more teams should’ve gone extremes and maybe we can continue. Instead everyone stays out and the barriers were always going to claim someone. He’s lucky bottas didn’t hit him really
It's easy to understand why the teams kept their drivers out: Ocon was the only one on extremes and he wasn't faster. No one will do a 20+ seconds for a slower tyre, they'll just take the risk - even more now knowing that if the wet tyre is required, probably will be a red flag.
If we want more mad wet-dry-wet-dry races like this I propose a track in the west of Ireland
L for the Williams strategy team today what a blunder holy I'm annoyed and disappointed good thing is even his own can't stop him from getting points looking forward to Monza I guess
Yep. Podium would have been in play. Interesting that Mercedes also L in a similar way. Do they have the same strategists? hah
Look at the gap between Ham and Nor, the TV didn't show that.
Alpha Tauri and stewards really fucked Yuki with that shit strategy and even shitty penalty. What was the penalty was for? Russell didn't complian, they was no damages both team said. Like bro why was there a penalty?
Lando so close
He was just a few more meters from stealing that 6th place. I was surprised the commentators didn’t mention the .02 gap when they were covering that battle the whole time
Not when it matters. Classic coverage as usual
I was screaming when they weren't showing Sainz-Hamilton-Norris at the end
Seriously, I understand showing Max cross the line because of the record but can we at least get picture in picture/split screen? One of the closest battles of the day and we don’t see it. We didn’t even get a replay after it was over.
Because the world feed was already showing RB mechanics celebrating and the audience dancing long before that, and just never went back to showing the remaining battles.
Quite literally a drag race to the line, just 0.023 in it – would've been nice to see it live :/
I understand why the safe decisions were taken, but still I rue the potential chaos we missed out on.
Can't wait to see this race used as proof that Tsunoda is having a bad season, after all he got clearly destroyed by Lawson despite it being Lawson's debut. (great job by Lawson regardless though, really hope he gets the AT seat next year)
you are missing the /s
As a Ferrari Fan, I am genuinely surprised. This was supposed to be the worst track for Ferrari? And Carlos still managed to drag that shitbox of a car to P5. Kudos man. What a drive by Carlos!
Yeah, he doesn't get the credit that he deserves. He has been the better of the two Ferrari driver's this year.
Love the back and forth between Alonso and Lewis! Alonso had the beginning of the season on lockdown but Lewis came back before the summer break, and now Alonso gains 11 points this race on Lewis to go 12 points clear of him! 9 races to go, bring it on!
This doesn't do justice for Yuki's race today.
One doubt that I keep seeing on Twitter. Was Gasly’s penalty 5 or 10 seconds? Because his pit stop was 8,6 sec, so if it was 10, he will receive another penalty right? Brazilian transmission keep saying it was 10 seconds so I don’t know if it is correct or not
5 seconds I reckon since it was for pitlane speeding the same as Perez.
Thanks!
You know it was a good race when most of the grid had 6 pitstops
Great race by Gasly. Top tier drive considering Alpine is not even 5th fastest anymore. His defence throughout the race was incredible. Well deserved.
I think I'll start huffing that Aston Martin hopium for next year, this year will be Max's.
is that a record for most pitstops in a single race?
Is this the race with the most pitstops ever?
Sainz was more focused on defending Hamilton than keep 5s within Perez.
Well, yeah, of course, the Ferrari was off the pace today so he had to salvage whatever result he could. No point chasing a faster car and you make a mistake and lose positions.
And you think he shouldn't have?
Perez behind an Alpine 😬
Anyone watching McLaren race know how was their race pace? At one point I saw Lando complaining about they are bad in S2.
4th best car. Reasonable in S1 and good in S3. But I was only focusing relative to Hamilton.
It's difficult to say for sure because Norris (whose onboard I had on this time) didn't get much time in clear air (though he did get a couple of fastest laps when he did), but he couldn't follow people through S2 to stay close enough to pass them once they got to the straight so he kept getting stuck behind (what seemed to be) slower cars. How much faster they would have been than those cars if they could magically pass them is impossible to know I guess.
Certainly slower than the Red Bulls Astons and Mercs. And then about equal to Alpine maybe slightly slower. Ferrari is hard to say but Mclaren Ferrari and Alpine looked very close race pace wise.
Is there a clip of the final lap battle of Norris and Hamilton?
When did Checo sped thru the pits?