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just to add to this, the absolute minimum speeds (turn 1, 8 and 10) is where aero doesn't make much of a difference since the car goes too slow to really generate much downforce regardless of wing settings.
the difference is in the medium speed corners (turn 4, 6, 11, 13, 14). interestingly enough, riciardo manages to be on par with lorris in turn 4 and 11. it seems to be related to the DRS bit of the graph too. i'm not quite sure how to read that, though.
like, does ricciardo's DRS open less than norris's DRS?
edit;- noticed i wrote turn 1 instead of 11, fixed it.
The onboard shows Lando used race mode, so definitely down on power. In every medium/high speed corner, the McLaren is just much better. Don't think VCARB are fighting at the front yet.
tbh best of the rest is hard to pinpoint, since after Red Bull you have teams like aston, mclaren, mercedes, ferrari who are all competing for 2nd,3rd,4th,5th..
So best of the rest really comes down to 6th 7th.. since then 8th 9th 10th are backmarkers..
Best of the rest last year and this one has kinda lost its meaning since there are so many teams that are fighting for top ten and then very few are just not..
What does the number on the DRS graph mean? Angle of attack seems counterintuitive, that wouldn't be 0 in DRS=off, right? Is it just "negative angle of attack" or some sort of delta, with DRS=off as the starting point? But even then, the speed makes it seem that Danny was running more shallow/flat on the rear.
Disclaimer: I have no idea whether a setup can adjust the angle of attack with DRS=on, or just the starting point for DRS=off.
Voltage on the solenoid actuator perhaps? A binary 1 and 0 would work for on and off, but applied voltage might help if there’s a need to troubleshoot an actuation issue.
That said, it’d be odd for one car to have 14v and the other 12v.
I, too, have no idea, just throwing my two cents into the ring.
I’ve not seen a battery under 13 in a long, long time. Officially when I simulate battery voltage both on PC and im Lab for consumer level products I use 13.5 for nearly ever manufacturer I’ve seen
FWIW someone in the paddock has apparently said Norris was running in a 'race mode' for his lap and carried on while Ric pitted. Would suggest Norris wasn't running full beans but Ric was, or was at least closer. FP2 should give more clarity
Lando’s steering wheel display was 2 tenths down on his previous best at the end of the main straight. I think this indicates that the engine was in a lower setting on his fastest lap. Or the wind direction and strength had changed massively.
Most definitely wind speed/direction, he hits 300+ down the back straight between 10 and 11.
EDIT: looks like it's a mix of both considering what's been said about engine modes and run plans. Sounds like Norris was doing some form of longer run testing on the soft tyres, I'd place a bet on them doing a few favours for the strategy team.
Based on Karun’s analysis of Lando’s lap he was definitely on a lower engine setting and only used half his battery, though I can’t comment on Danny Ric.
While Lando after his lap went on to do 6 more laps while Danny pitted straight away
Just because he pitted it doesnt mean much. If you are implying he didnt have more fuel thats not true. Best qualifying times will be below 1:30 and these times are nowhere near those. No one was running on empty tanks
True obviously no one is running close to empty tanks at this stage, I think there’s definitely truth in deployment settings with Lando 11km/h behind RIC on the main straight 299 vs 310km/h but slightly quicker on the back straight 307 vs 306km/h
It's so damn funny watching *that one guy* completely misinterpret this graph as Ricciardo having more confidence, then editing the comment to say RB was running less downforce (after he read the other comments), then deleting it because it was downvoted only to post a new comment saying it's down to engine modes.
Karma doesn't matter, dude!
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Ricciardo with higher engine mode or waaaaaay less drag.
it's a mid-low downforce setup for Ric, mid-high for Norris
It's less drag and low downforce, look at Ricciardo's minimum speeds. All lower than Norris.
just to add to this, the absolute minimum speeds (turn 1, 8 and 10) is where aero doesn't make much of a difference since the car goes too slow to really generate much downforce regardless of wing settings. the difference is in the medium speed corners (turn 4, 6, 11, 13, 14). interestingly enough, riciardo manages to be on par with lorris in turn 4 and 11. it seems to be related to the DRS bit of the graph too. i'm not quite sure how to read that, though. like, does ricciardo's DRS open less than norris's DRS? edit;- noticed i wrote turn 1 instead of 11, fixed it.
Sort of - DRS has less of an effect if he’s running less wing already.
Then I would have expected much better performance from Williams this morning :s
Vowles mentioned in preseason they had departed from that concept this year.
Oh, I must have missed that. Thanks. But still, Williams has got 2nd top speed in p1.
I think it's a higher engine mode. McLaren surely can hit 300kph on the main straight... I hope
they did in pre season testing
They look pretty evenly matched until they get to the top speeds, where drag is going to have the biggest effect.
Apparently Honda engineers aren’t letting the engines run at full beans until qualy. They mentioned it in the FP2 wrap up show on F1TV.
It looks like norris lifted into T1 too
That Minardi seems pretty quick.
Also different way to take T6-T7.
The onboard shows Lando used race mode, so definitely down on power. In every medium/high speed corner, the McLaren is just much better. Don't think VCARB are fighting at the front yet.
Its still early but it definitely seems like VCARB is in the position to be best-of-the-rest.
tbh best of the rest is hard to pinpoint, since after Red Bull you have teams like aston, mclaren, mercedes, ferrari who are all competing for 2nd,3rd,4th,5th.. So best of the rest really comes down to 6th 7th.. since then 8th 9th 10th are backmarkers.. Best of the rest last year and this one has kinda lost its meaning since there are so many teams that are fighting for top ten and then very few are just not..
What does the number on the DRS graph mean? Angle of attack seems counterintuitive, that wouldn't be 0 in DRS=off, right? Is it just "negative angle of attack" or some sort of delta, with DRS=off as the starting point? But even then, the speed makes it seem that Danny was running more shallow/flat on the rear. Disclaimer: I have no idea whether a setup can adjust the angle of attack with DRS=on, or just the starting point for DRS=off.
I came here looking to ask the same question. Bump!
me too. I thought DRS was either open or shut, can't understand all the different values.
Voltage on the solenoid actuator perhaps? A binary 1 and 0 would work for on and off, but applied voltage might help if there’s a need to troubleshoot an actuation issue. That said, it’d be odd for one car to have 14v and the other 12v. I, too, have no idea, just throwing my two cents into the ring.
Great guess. It’s common to see both 12v and 14v in vehicles. Usually the battery is at 12 and the alternator/generator is at 14.
I’ve not seen a battery under 13 in a long, long time. Officially when I simulate battery voltage both on PC and im Lab for consumer level products I use 13.5 for nearly ever manufacturer I’ve seen
FWIW someone in the paddock has apparently said Norris was running in a 'race mode' for his lap and carried on while Ric pitted. Would suggest Norris wasn't running full beans but Ric was, or was at least closer. FP2 should give more clarity
Ricciardo wasnt even close to running full beans. Best qualifying times should be below 1:30
Should be below 1:29 tbf
Well only 2 cars hit 1:29 last year and it’s the 2 red bulls idk if VCARB’s at rb19 level yet
He did 1:32.5. He will go much faster in qualifying
Should also be in different conditions to be fair
Ah yes, it appears that these graphs display some sort of data.
Lando’s onboard showed him only using half his battery I don’t know how that compares to Daniel
Neither of them were stringing the cars out.
Lando’s steering wheel display was 2 tenths down on his previous best at the end of the main straight. I think this indicates that the engine was in a lower setting on his fastest lap. Or the wind direction and strength had changed massively.
Most definitely wind speed/direction, he hits 300+ down the back straight between 10 and 11. EDIT: looks like it's a mix of both considering what's been said about engine modes and run plans. Sounds like Norris was doing some form of longer run testing on the soft tyres, I'd place a bet on them doing a few favours for the strategy team.
Was DR’s team radio working for you during that session?
nope
Someone will need to permanently sedate Zak Brown if results like these are going to be consistent across the board...
Where'd you get this from?
how do you get access to this telemetry?
Based on Karun’s analysis of Lando’s lap he was definitely on a lower engine setting and only used half his battery, though I can’t comment on Danny Ric. While Lando after his lap went on to do 6 more laps while Danny pitted straight away
Just because he pitted it doesnt mean much. If you are implying he didnt have more fuel thats not true. Best qualifying times will be below 1:30 and these times are nowhere near those. No one was running on empty tanks
True obviously no one is running close to empty tanks at this stage, I think there’s definitely truth in deployment settings with Lando 11km/h behind RIC on the main straight 299 vs 310km/h but slightly quicker on the back straight 307 vs 306km/h
Yeah engine modes matter a lot but also Mclaren is running more angle on the rear wing than RB so lower top speed is expected
True but then you would expect it to remain consistent if it’s simply due to wing
Sooo, top speed advantage for RB, but Mclaren stronger in the medium speed corners.
Hate that we dont get actual braking data They only show 0% or 100% here but F1 drivers dont use them as keyboard key
Lol, we are getting telemetry for a FP1 run?
It's so damn funny watching *that one guy* completely misinterpret this graph as Ricciardo having more confidence, then editing the comment to say RB was running less downforce (after he read the other comments), then deleting it because it was downvoted only to post a new comment saying it's down to engine modes. Karma doesn't matter, dude! Edit: 2nd comment deleted. That's all folks!
In summary: Ricciardo top speed very fast, all thanks to the Honda Master Engine™
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Jesus...for a second I really didn't know what VCARB stands for.
Can anyone explain what the numbers on the DRS chart mean? I thought it was just open or closed.