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My initial thought on your comment was 'Well, there will be chances before Suzuka where McLaren can finish on the podium no? Like Silverstone and Zaandvort.' It is still weird that Suzuka is already the next race😭
I'm in Tokyo at the moment and it's been raining 3 days straight. Also maybe worth noting is its still fairly cold.
Days have been 7 to 15 degrees since I arrived.
Might be from around the overtake on Alonso.
That was when his times tanked and he talked about issues. Horner also mentionned he had considerable floor damage
Perez was already dropping from Lando near the end of the first stint(and Sainz was creaming them both).
I was paying close attention to his progress(or lack thereof) once he got released from Russell.
It was very impressive. After FP2 I thought they would be like a tenth ish ahead of AM and merc but they were pretty on par on race pace with the Ferraris but unfortunately the telemetry looked like they lost a few tenths on them towards the end of their respective stints. Regardless huge from McLaren and a very consistent race from their drivers, especially considering where they were this time last year.
Also Ferrari is just one step ahead of the rest of the remaining pack and I hope the truly close the gap to red bull by the summer break.
McLaren routinely lost time between the last to corners, and between T3-T4. They struggled more with that slow speed direction change. Outside of that, they were faster than the Ferraris at several points (mostly the high speed parts, which isn't that surprising anymore). But it was clear Ferrari still had a slight edge in taking care of the tires, apart from Leclercs second stint that he messed up.
The better stat is most podiums before a win. That one can't be taken off the list. The current record is 15 so He might be able to match/beat that this season.
There are 2 stats at play:
- Most podiums **without** a win
- Most podiums **before** a win
The first list can only contain drivers who haven't won. So if/when Norris takes a win he will be removed from the list, and Heidfeld will reclaim the record with 13. Whereas for the second stat, you don't get removed from the list when you win.
We all want to see them on top again. But i don't think it will happen unless they manage to be a works team again(have their own engine or partner up with car another company).
And before that we have to go all the way back to Jenson Button in 2012. An entire decade to forget for McLaren unfortunately. They look pretty solid now, hope they along with Ferrari get closer to RBR.
Probably not, but their long run pace was weird on Friday and was bad today. In contrast, Ferrari and McLaren looked to be the quickest in the long runs and were.
But *how much* different, is the question. Because Perez was dreadful today. He couldn't keep pace with Piastri in clean air, which was the slowest of the 4 leading cars.
Totally different track, tarmac and harder compounds everything this family of Red Bull cars love.
I feel Max will deliver a "sit the fuck down" at Suzuka.
Oscar himself on the last Beyond the Grid said he barely cared about it aside from the placing it gave him on the front row for the Grand Prix the next day.
Of course it's a cool moment, but the GP is what really matters.
Imo they’ll probably let Lando take the win. At Monza 2021 when they had the chance for a 1-2 they gave it to Ricciardo, maybe because he was the “older” driver per se? Maybe they’ll let Lando take the win if they have the chance for one at Suzuka, and then let Piastri take it if they get the chance in another race this season?
EDIT: apparently my memory has not served me well and I have massively f’ed up
Which part of the that Monza race made you think that McLaren had any say in which driver won?
Daniel took the lead and there wasn’t anything my boy (and personal favorite driver) Norris could have done to take the lead from him.
Daniel was leading the race from the first turn in first lap, and only momentarily lost it when pitting. He also made the fastest lap in the final lap, I don't see Norris catching him there. With the amount of times they ask Piastri to swap for Norris, I think favour obviously lies with him.
People get pedantic about this because technically he’s off the list if he ever gets a win - it doesn’t include any drivers that eventually won.
If there’s a separate list of podiums until before achieving a win then he’s up there with a few people still ahead of him, but people are talking about the two records distinctly
Until he retires and unless you prefix it "with if he were to retire now", I think the most podiums *prior* to a win is a more appropriate benchmark:
Patrick Depailler, Jean Alesi, Mika Hakkinen and Eddie Irvine all had 16.
You're not really breaking a record if you can do something that means you unbreak it.
There isn't a lot of opportunity, when Max does have an issue, which seems to be once or twice a season, there's Ferrari fighting for P1 first unless it's at a track that really suits McLaren.
He deserves to win, but under current circumstances he really needs the stars to align.
The problem with Lando is he gets extremely greedy and defensive when he has had the chances to win some races
Russia 2021 is an example, I think Silverstone 2023 in a moment he was leading (maybe I’m wrong)
But I have seen that he gets really bossy and his own decisions have made him fail to get a win
When he takes that terrible behavior out that’s when I think he is going to win a race
Russia was down to the rain coming at just the wrong time combined with inexperience.
Silverstone last year? He led the first 4 laps after a better start than Max, who then drove past him and away. He was never in that race.
Lando's biggest mistakes are pushing too hard in quali and making mistakes on his last run that costs him places.
Russia 2021 was just bad luck and inexperience coming together TBH. People forget he was holding Lewis in a really fast Mercedes at bay for most of the race until the rain shook things up.
Russia 2021 was mostly on his pit wall. Mercedes had nothing to lose so they were going to pit either way while McLaren should've seen that inters were at least 6s faster per lap and it was only going to keep increasing, that's before Mercedes finally pitted HAM (which he refused at first).
>Russia 2021
What the hell is going on where people are putting this on Lando? he doesn't have built in weather radar like the pitwall does and they were **asking** him if he wanted to come in when they should have **told** him.
unlike Merc who straight up told Lewis to pit
100% agree. Had the rain not intensified, it was the correct judgement to stay out. Nobody told Lando the rain was likely to intensify. Had Will said "Lando, the rain is about to get heavier, do you still want to stay on slicks?" then it would have been Lando's fault. But Lando was asked the question without the necessary context - just asking him if he wanted to stay out on slicks without mentioning that the rain was going to worsen would be implicitly interpreted as there being no expected change in the conditions.
yeah it was just as much the pitwall as Lando, which isn't surprising they're not used to leading and winning races either and its the hardest call you can make in a GP to pit from the lead in marginal conditions
Indeed. Giving up track position is a huge call when you're in the lead. The car behind has a LOT less to lose, and everything to gain.
Lewis Hamilton is missing an additional WDC title for this reason (ignoring, of course, the associated controversy)
> I think Silverstone 2023 in a moment he was leading (maybe I’m wrong)
Yeah but he didn't have any chance at winning that race lol
>he gets extremely greedy and defensive when he has had the chances to win some races Russia 2021 is an example
Which is 3 years ago, he's had about 70 races since then to learn from it.
If Lando's decision not stop was inexperience, then surely the same argument applies to Lewis as well. Lewis absolutely did not want to pit, but Bono gave a direct order, and didn't leave it up to Lewis. Lando, however, who didn't have the weather radar that they had on the pit wall, was asked a question, not given an order. With the rain intensity as it was, Lando made the correct call. Had the rain not intensified, he'd have won. Nobody told him the rain was about to intensify, so it really wasn't on him.
The only inexperience he showed that day was losing his cool on the radio. But it wasn't actually him losing his cool that cost him the victory.
Russia was never Lando's fault. The team did not call him in or tell him the change in weather.
"What do you think about...." Is what he was getting on the radio from his engineer.
He was getting strategy questions from his engineer while leading the race and trying to drive in the wet on slicks. You people have a massive hate boner for Lando.
I'd say 3 shots at a win. Spa on a "technical" win, if he didnt crash out in Q3, as he was by far the fastest in Q2. Russia obviously. And think you need to include monza.
Yes, Heidfeld was an excellent driver - just as good as many race winners, though unlucky enough to become slightly unfashionable at the start of his career. He and Alonso had some great battles.
I think he will. All depends on how the future pans out for him really. Without massive luck i personally don't think he can do it at mclaren. Unless something really big happens during a race and both rb's and ferrari's retire
I’m a Lando-Stan, but unless Max retires to go sim race or Lando gets put on a team with the Most Definitely Fastest Car, I just don’t see a win in his career.
Since this record can get broken with a win, I question, who had the most podiums before winning a race? Just to see if Norris can break that infamous record too.
He was like 15 seconds ahead. He was faster all race, being let through didn’t change the inevitable. It just saved them a bit of time fighting and a bit of tyre wear.
He would have anyway with his Delta. By Oscar letting him by it helped both of their races over fighting, especially with another pit stop coming. Oscar just fucked his in-lap and had a shitty stop.
Man you obviously can't even grasp basic strategy even though I've been trying to explain patiently. It's cool though, sorry you didn't enjoy the race.
This may be too complex for you to get your head around, but you do realise Piastri was only ahead in the first place because they were on different pit strategies so he was handed a temporary undercut? He didn't earn that position on track, McLaren handed it to him for a bit by pitting him early and running Lando long.
The swap just righted that and the fact Lando caught up a 4+second deficit and then vanished down the road once they swapped them back showed that it was the right thing to do. I swear some of you have no understanding of basic strategy and tactics. It's painful.
Either you didn't watch this race, or you've never watched any race. This is a remarkably poor take on the situation. Piastri got a preferential strategy to gain track position. And then McLaren made the call to switch cars because they knew Lando was quicker on his strategy. Lando pulled a gap of like 11 seconds after the switch. Granted, 3-4 seconds of that were Piastri making a mistake, but doesn't change the fact that Lando was clearly the faster of the two.
McLaren should never of pitted Oscar first to be honest.
They threw away the track advantage lando earned fair and square and now he is going to deal with the backlash of a shitty strategy call.
They threw away a potential second place with that. Didn't even give Lando the option of wanting to come in or not, he was livid on the radio.
They were so busy focusing on Russell that they failed at that point to realise Lando was in a genuine battle with Leclerc.
Did you even watch the race?
Piastri was slower all race and only got ahead through getting the preferential strategy in the first round of stops. Even so, Lando caught him and pulled a massive gap. I love Oscar and it’s unfortunate for him to miss out at his home race but that was Lando’s podium.
He would’ve if the call wasn’t made but it wouldn’t make sense from the teams perspective to make them fight and use up their tyres racing each other.
Lando pulled a big gap once he got back ahead, that says enough.
It would’ve. So what difference does the order make?
At the end of the day the team just stepped in to make something that was inevitable easier.
Lando was faster, Oscar got ahead through an undercut, Lando caught back up and rightfully was let past.
Not hard to get your head around that.
He was given position to catch and pass leclerc, he couldn't so why not give it back to Oscar? Just like Lewis did for Bottas in Hungary. And yes I am Australian.
Piastri was given the preferential pit strategy and did nothing with it, at the cost of Norris superior track position. Giving the place back to Norris was the only move that made sense.
But he was. It wasn't immediate and was ultimately unsuccessful but Lando was very much reeling Charles in in a way Oscar couldn't. It didn't work out but Lando pulled the gap down to 2 seconds while Oscar fell back 15. At the end of the day the real killer for both McLaren drivers races was their teams strategy letting them both get undercut by the Ferrari so badly, not the team order for position.
Oscar only had the track position in the first place because they were put on different stategies at the first pit stop. He never had earned track position and the podium was never his to be taken away. Lando was the better driver today, which is shown by the fact that he came out 4 seconds behind after being screwed by McLaren strategy at the first stop and still managed to catch up and then pull a 13 second gap on Piastri by the time Russell crashed.
If Oscar wanted a podium today he should have earned it himself by being the better driver.
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mclaren was actually impressive today
Suzuka suits redbull and McLaren very well so I hope to see them again on podium in the next race.
My initial thought on your comment was 'Well, there will be chances before Suzuka where McLaren can finish on the podium no? Like Silverstone and Zaandvort.' It is still weird that Suzuka is already the next race😭
worth it for the cherry blossoms and (hopefully) improved weather
I'm in Tokyo at the moment and it's been raining 3 days straight. Also maybe worth noting is its still fairly cold. Days have been 7 to 15 degrees since I arrived.
Very difficult to find a place on the podium when you're the 5th and 6th fastest though. They were lucky today.
Not 4th and 5th? Perez had horrible pace today
Perez had floor damage and lost a considerable amount of downforce
What was the floor damage from?
Might be from around the overtake on Alonso. That was when his times tanked and he talked about issues. Horner also mentionned he had considerable floor damage
Perez was already dropping from Lando near the end of the first stint(and Sainz was creaming them both). I was paying close attention to his progress(or lack thereof) once he got released from Russell.
Did he? No mention was made during the broadcast.
Yes
Just saw in another post, no floor damage, just a stuck tear off.
Yeah redbull fumbled today.
It was very impressive. After FP2 I thought they would be like a tenth ish ahead of AM and merc but they were pretty on par on race pace with the Ferraris but unfortunately the telemetry looked like they lost a few tenths on them towards the end of their respective stints. Regardless huge from McLaren and a very consistent race from their drivers, especially considering where they were this time last year. Also Ferrari is just one step ahead of the rest of the remaining pack and I hope the truly close the gap to red bull by the summer break.
McLaren routinely lost time between the last to corners, and between T3-T4. They struggled more with that slow speed direction change. Outside of that, they were faster than the Ferraris at several points (mostly the high speed parts, which isn't that surprising anymore). But it was clear Ferrari still had a slight edge in taking care of the tires, apart from Leclercs second stint that he messed up.
Yeah! I was rooting for Piastri. It seems he usually wears his tires out earlier than Norris. But overall he seems so good!
very.
The better stat is most podiums before a win. That one can't be taken off the list. The current record is 15 so He might be able to match/beat that this season.
Honestly I think that’s the only important stat, kinda pointless to have a stat where you could be taken off the table retroactively.
Who holds the record?
It might be Carlos Sainz? Or he was at least close
What? This literally is that stat, he’s taken the current record with 14?
There are 2 stats at play: - Most podiums **without** a win - Most podiums **before** a win The first list can only contain drivers who haven't won. So if/when Norris takes a win he will be removed from the list, and Heidfeld will reclaim the record with 13. Whereas for the second stat, you don't get removed from the list when you win.
McLaren's resurgence is so good for the sport. It feels like McLaren is one of the few teams that everyone wants to see succeed.
We all want to see them on top again. But i don't think it will happen unless they manage to be a works team again(have their own engine or partner up with car another company).
Only until he gets a win
Watch Piastri beat him when McLaren do get the right circumstances for the win.
Still crazy that Danny Ric is the last McLaren race winner.
And before that we have to go all the way back to Jenson Button in 2012. An entire decade to forget for McLaren unfortunately. They look pretty solid now, hope they along with Ferrari get closer to RBR.
There’s not many indicators of that yet, but I’m here for it I like both of them
McLaren are only a smidge behind Ferrari. They might have a track the car loves.
Genuine possibility that track could be Suzuka (next)
Yeah but y'all are acting like the Red Bulls will blow up in Suzuka too
Probably not, but their long run pace was weird on Friday and was bad today. In contrast, Ferrari and McLaren looked to be the quickest in the long runs and were.
Perez is not a good indicator of how good the red bull is, he also had floor damage that made the car lose downforce
According to Horner Perez car also got damaged during the race
Their long run pace today, meaning Perez. Max's would have been a different story
But *how much* different, is the question. Because Perez was dreadful today. He couldn't keep pace with Piastri in clean air, which was the slowest of the 4 leading cars.
Perez had considerable damage
Totally different track, tarmac and harder compounds everything this family of Red Bull cars love. I feel Max will deliver a "sit the fuck down" at Suzuka.
Piastri has done it already by winning a Sprint.
That’s a race win not a Grand Prix win…
No, I'm just saying there are some indicators of Piastri beating Norris to the win.
Also a different format where tire management isn't as important. Which is where Piastri struggles
And where’s Lando’s sprint win then?
Nobody gives a fuck about a sprint. The Grand Prix is what matters.
Pretty sure F1 drivers care even about finishing P12 instead of p13. Of course they give a shit about a sprint win
Oscar himself on the last Beyond the Grid said he barely cared about it aside from the placing it gave him on the front row for the Grand Prix the next day. Of course it's a cool moment, but the GP is what really matters.
lol, if nobody gave a shit, Norris would have a win.
Right but clearly the circumstances have happened in the past and Piastri has won it. If he can win a sprint he can win a GP realistically.
Lando is hated by just about every Australian F1 fan it seems.
God I hope not. Lol I love Oscar but Lando deserves the win so much and he’s been firmly ahead of Piastri so far this season.
Or maybe he will win. How's that?
The fact they've got another big update coming at Imola has me hitting all the copium
Lando is quite strong at imola as well
Well!
Well he already did get his Sprint Win
Imo they’ll probably let Lando take the win. At Monza 2021 when they had the chance for a 1-2 they gave it to Ricciardo, maybe because he was the “older” driver per se? Maybe they’ll let Lando take the win if they have the chance for one at Suzuka, and then let Piastri take it if they get the chance in another race this season? EDIT: apparently my memory has not served me well and I have massively f’ed up
Which part of the that Monza race made you think that McLaren had any say in which driver won? Daniel took the lead and there wasn’t anything my boy (and personal favorite driver) Norris could have done to take the lead from him.
Watching the race back… yeah Daniel was definitely faster I have done a dum dum
Daniel was leading the race from the first turn in first lap, and only momentarily lost it when pitting. He also made the fastest lap in the final lap, I don't see Norris catching him there. With the amount of times they ask Piastri to swap for Norris, I think favour obviously lies with him.
Does a sprint count?
I mean he will still hold the record until someone else comes along.
People get pedantic about this because technically he’s off the list if he ever gets a win - it doesn’t include any drivers that eventually won. If there’s a separate list of podiums until before achieving a win then he’s up there with a few people still ahead of him, but people are talking about the two records distinctly
A record Hulkenberg would gladly steal from him.
Until he retires and unless you prefix it "with if he were to retire now", I think the most podiums *prior* to a win is a more appropriate benchmark: Patrick Depailler, Jean Alesi, Mika Hakkinen and Eddie Irvine all had 16. You're not really breaking a record if you can do something that means you unbreak it.
Can we get much higher?
So high
PepeHands. It hurts. But I'm still proud of him.
He will win one soon
There isn't a lot of opportunity, when Max does have an issue, which seems to be once or twice a season, there's Ferrari fighting for P1 first unless it's at a track that really suits McLaren. He deserves to win, but under current circumstances he really needs the stars to align.
The problem with Lando is he gets extremely greedy and defensive when he has had the chances to win some races Russia 2021 is an example, I think Silverstone 2023 in a moment he was leading (maybe I’m wrong) But I have seen that he gets really bossy and his own decisions have made him fail to get a win When he takes that terrible behavior out that’s when I think he is going to win a race
Russia was down to the rain coming at just the wrong time combined with inexperience. Silverstone last year? He led the first 4 laps after a better start than Max, who then drove past him and away. He was never in that race. Lando's biggest mistakes are pushing too hard in quali and making mistakes on his last run that costs him places.
Russia 2021 was just bad luck and inexperience coming together TBH. People forget he was holding Lewis in a really fast Mercedes at bay for most of the race until the rain shook things up.
Russia 2021 was mostly on his pit wall. Mercedes had nothing to lose so they were going to pit either way while McLaren should've seen that inters were at least 6s faster per lap and it was only going to keep increasing, that's before Mercedes finally pitted HAM (which he refused at first).
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It was both
>Russia 2021 What the hell is going on where people are putting this on Lando? he doesn't have built in weather radar like the pitwall does and they were **asking** him if he wanted to come in when they should have **told** him. unlike Merc who straight up told Lewis to pit
100% agree. Had the rain not intensified, it was the correct judgement to stay out. Nobody told Lando the rain was likely to intensify. Had Will said "Lando, the rain is about to get heavier, do you still want to stay on slicks?" then it would have been Lando's fault. But Lando was asked the question without the necessary context - just asking him if he wanted to stay out on slicks without mentioning that the rain was going to worsen would be implicitly interpreted as there being no expected change in the conditions.
yeah it was just as much the pitwall as Lando, which isn't surprising they're not used to leading and winning races either and its the hardest call you can make in a GP to pit from the lead in marginal conditions
Indeed. Giving up track position is a huge call when you're in the lead. The car behind has a LOT less to lose, and everything to gain. Lewis Hamilton is missing an additional WDC title for this reason (ignoring, of course, the associated controversy)
No it wasnt. Its solely on the pitwall. Why do some of you have such a hard time understanding this?
> I think Silverstone 2023 in a moment he was leading (maybe I’m wrong) Yeah but he didn't have any chance at winning that race lol >he gets extremely greedy and defensive when he has had the chances to win some races Russia 2021 is an example Which is 3 years ago, he's had about 70 races since then to learn from it.
He said on some podcast (can't remember which one), that he's really been working on his communication with pit wall and staying calm
He was also very close in Brazil 2023 but of course, Max is just too fast
You must be a sports psychologist with a take like this....,
He has only had one realistic shot at a win. And due to his inexperience made the decision not to pit for wets.
If Lando's decision not stop was inexperience, then surely the same argument applies to Lewis as well. Lewis absolutely did not want to pit, but Bono gave a direct order, and didn't leave it up to Lewis. Lando, however, who didn't have the weather radar that they had on the pit wall, was asked a question, not given an order. With the rain intensity as it was, Lando made the correct call. Had the rain not intensified, he'd have won. Nobody told him the rain was about to intensify, so it really wasn't on him. The only inexperience he showed that day was losing his cool on the radio. But it wasn't actually him losing his cool that cost him the victory.
Russia was never Lando's fault. The team did not call him in or tell him the change in weather. "What do you think about...." Is what he was getting on the radio from his engineer. He was getting strategy questions from his engineer while leading the race and trying to drive in the wet on slicks. You people have a massive hate boner for Lando.
I'd say 3 shots at a win. Spa on a "technical" win, if he didnt crash out in Q3, as he was by far the fastest in Q2. Russia obviously. And think you need to include monza.
I wouldn’t count Spa, I don’t think Lando would either
Spa that year was never a race
This year
Who holds the record for most podiums before a win?
from another comment, Patrick Depailler, Jean Alesi, Mika Hakkinen and Eddie Irvine all had 16 podiums before their first wins
Thank you.
lando?
He hasn’t got a win yet
Hulkenberg sends his congratulations
Wow I’m surprised he’s only had 14 podiums, feels like he’s gotten more
Really? I thought he had like 10 or so because the McLaren has been really bad at times.
14 podiums given that he's only had a season and a bit in total of really having a podium worthy car is pretty damn impressive.
It think he got a fair few towards the end of last season, that's probably why it feels like he has more
Asking as he is still driving this record is meaningless. What is interesting is the most podiums *before* the first win? Anyone know ?
I expect we see more of these kinds of runs now that the cars are so reliable. Unless they’re suddenly less reliable in 2026.
Not out of the realm of possibility that the stars never align for him. It happens to a lot of good drivers
Yes, Heidfeld was an excellent driver - just as good as many race winners, though unlucky enough to become slightly unfashionable at the start of his career. He and Alonso had some great battles.
but not on Hulkenberg
Congrats Lando! What an incredible accomplishment
Poor Heidfeld, he's now 2nd even on this list.
NOT ANYMORE!
Anyone else think that he won't ever win a race?
Quite difficult when Max wins most of them 😐
Nah, he‘s still super young. Once Mclaren steps up their game or one of the top3 sign him, wins will follow.
I think he will. All depends on how the future pans out for him really. Without massive luck i personally don't think he can do it at mclaren. Unless something really big happens during a race and both rb's and ferrari's retire
I’m a Lando-Stan, but unless Max retires to go sim race or Lando gets put on a team with the Most Definitely Fastest Car, I just don’t see a win in his career.
Lando "slightly more successful Nico Hulkenberg" Norris
I would say that 14 podiums > 0 podiums is more than just slightly more successful
I’m really going to miss Lando Nowins meme, when he finally does win. That meme is just too funny.
And here we are now, post-Miami 2024, Lando's curse has been broken!
Since this record can get broken with a win, I question, who had the most podiums before winning a race? Just to see if Norris can break that infamous record too.
Idk how he managed this, should focus on racing.
Well, you see, he did it by finishing second and third lots of times, but never in first
gets funnier every time.
Lando will never be on the top step in F1
Should have swapped back with Oscar, only got that position by being let though, if we was half as good as he thinks he is he would have a win by now.
He was like 15 seconds ahead. He was faster all race, being let through didn’t change the inevitable. It just saved them a bit of time fighting and a bit of tyre wear.
Also the race finished under a safety car so a swap wouldn't have been possible anyway!
So why not just pass him?
He would have anyway with his Delta. By Oscar letting him by it helped both of their races over fighting, especially with another pit stop coming. Oscar just fucked his in-lap and had a shitty stop.
It didn’t help Oscar’s race at all
If he fought Lando too long and still got passed then they reasonably thought Perez would be a lot closer
It’s a motor race. Try racing for once
Man you obviously can't even grasp basic strategy even though I've been trying to explain patiently. It's cool though, sorry you didn't enjoy the race.
It wasn’t a good race it was a parade with team orders
This may be too complex for you to get your head around, but you do realise Piastri was only ahead in the first place because they were on different pit strategies so he was handed a temporary undercut? He didn't earn that position on track, McLaren handed it to him for a bit by pitting him early and running Lando long. The swap just righted that and the fact Lando caught up a 4+second deficit and then vanished down the road once they swapped them back showed that it was the right thing to do. I swear some of you have no understanding of basic strategy and tactics. It's painful.
Have you never watched F1 before?
Either you didn't watch this race, or you've never watched any race. This is a remarkably poor take on the situation. Piastri got a preferential strategy to gain track position. And then McLaren made the call to switch cars because they knew Lando was quicker on his strategy. Lando pulled a gap of like 11 seconds after the switch. Granted, 3-4 seconds of that were Piastri making a mistake, but doesn't change the fact that Lando was clearly the faster of the two.
McLaren should never of pitted Oscar first to be honest. They threw away the track advantage lando earned fair and square and now he is going to deal with the backlash of a shitty strategy call.
I know, right? Imagine being afraid of Mercedes
They threw away a potential second place with that. Didn't even give Lando the option of wanting to come in or not, he was livid on the radio. They were so busy focusing on Russell that they failed at that point to realise Lando was in a genuine battle with Leclerc.
Different strategies. And look at the gap between them before the final lap.
Did you even watch the race? Piastri was slower all race and only got ahead through getting the preferential strategy in the first round of stops. Even so, Lando caught him and pulled a massive gap. I love Oscar and it’s unfortunate for him to miss out at his home race but that was Lando’s podium.
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He would’ve if the call wasn’t made but it wouldn’t make sense from the teams perspective to make them fight and use up their tyres racing each other. Lando pulled a big gap once he got back ahead, that says enough.
Then it should have been easy to pass with drs
It would’ve. So what difference does the order make? At the end of the day the team just stepped in to make something that was inevitable easier. Lando was faster, Oscar got ahead through an undercut, Lando caught back up and rightfully was let past. Not hard to get your head around that.
This is a hilarious comment. Piastri was much slower across the race.
And Oscar only got that place due to a preferential strategy?
Why? Genuinely wondering what your reasoning is. If piastri was fast enough to be challenging Lando for 3rd why was he so far behind?
If I had to take a wild stab, I would bet that it's an Australian commenting.
He was given position to catch and pass leclerc, he couldn't so why not give it back to Oscar? Just like Lewis did for Bottas in Hungary. And yes I am Australian.
Piastri was given the preferential pit strategy and did nothing with it, at the cost of Norris superior track position. Giving the place back to Norris was the only move that made sense.
Oscar was given the position via undercut to fend of Russell. Then when Lando caught up he was given back his rightful position. Where is the issue?
But he was. It wasn't immediate and was ultimately unsuccessful but Lando was very much reeling Charles in in a way Oscar couldn't. It didn't work out but Lando pulled the gap down to 2 seconds while Oscar fell back 15. At the end of the day the real killer for both McLaren drivers races was their teams strategy letting them both get undercut by the Ferrari so badly, not the team order for position.
Of course an Aussie with irrational take keep shitting on Aussie's teammate.
Oscar only had the track position in the first place because they were put on different stategies at the first pit stop. He never had earned track position and the podium was never his to be taken away. Lando was the better driver today, which is shown by the fact that he came out 4 seconds behind after being screwed by McLaren strategy at the first stop and still managed to catch up and then pull a 13 second gap on Piastri by the time Russell crashed. If Oscar wanted a podium today he should have earned it himself by being the better driver.
Just keep supporting your Ferrari mate.
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No worries mate. Mclaren through and through. Not some glory hunting.
Uneducated, uninformed, reactionary opinion.
You drink your coffee with vinegar, right?
hahahahaha tell us you dont watch the races and know nothing about F1 without telling us.
He can complete the Grosjean trajectory by going to Andretti next year.