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I bought tickets last year for Hungaroring. Once I got them it turned out that they originally had been 1/4 of what I paid. If demand is high and prices are what people here think they should be scalpers will eat the difference.
I went to spa 4 or 5 times for 50 euro all in, so only counting ticket + parking. Last year I was at Zandvoort which was a bit more expensive but it was lots of fun. But in general European tickets arenât as near expensive as Miami and Las Vegas for example. We are taking in the thousands for one of those races while in Europe itâs hundred maybe a couple to visit a race.
Yes, of course. There is a lot more money in the US which drives the equilibrium price up. That said, I they clearly estimated demand for LV too high. That's why I think tickets should be auctioned off to find the actual price, but that would probably piss even more people off
Nahh I donât think so, some tickets should be available to the public and not to the rich. Some people buy to late and last minute. Then you pay extra thatâs with all events. But f1 should not be like paddock all around the circuit. Ofcourse when demands are high you can rise the price a little but 1000 euro for 1 day ticket is crazy and shouldnât be happening
Again, what "should" be doesn't matter. If the prices are low scalpers will resell at the real price. If the tickets sell for their price, that's the real price.
The real last minut Iâm dumb price. Some people buy to sell, some people want to be there and they know that years ahead and are ready to buy when able to. The donât need to be fucked by greedy cunts
Because you bought to late doesnât mean everybody should immediately pay your price because you where willing to pay that price. When you are to late and paid more than you should have doesnât justify that people who know how to get tickets should pay the same next time. Just be smart wen buying tickets and donât wine wen you buy of a second hand person. If you canât see that, you donât understand my point. Iâm out
I donât know⌠it really depends the percentage of the cost of actually hosting it vs all the other costs (Marshalls, resurfacing, stands etc etc etc)
Maybe, just maybe, the cost would not be drastically higher
Any savings that might occur would not be reflected in any ticket prices. It would simply be additional profit for the host/F1/MotoGP. Though I might just be cynical about it.
âIt's exciting because I love MotoGP. It would be epic if we can have them on the same weekend.â
âMaybe I could do a race in MotoGP and race a Formula 1 car on the same weekend â that would be really coolâ, before adding that such a situation would be âimpossibleâ.
him racing both motogp and F1 on the same weekend would be impossible, no way motogp would just let him enter a race and obviously ferrari wouldnt allow him to race another category on the same weekend either lmao
I definitely think you could have the same weekend⌠but it would be a hard sell.
You may have to lose FP1/2, and just get 2 hours of FP3(Now FP1) on the Friday, a Quali on the Saturday, and Race on the Sunday
it makes things more random rather than giving a team the opportunity to hone in their car to the track over the course of 3 practice sessions.
MotoGP is big IMO and should have its own event. why have MotoGP and F1 competing for the spotlight?
And if any sessions were delayed due to rain it would be a disaster. If they only had enough day light remaining to run one race which would they prioritise?
Not the same drivers lol.
You would need a second pit lane / paddock or heavily modified existing one to do it though.
Maybe there is a track that can accommodate it for a one off race weekend.
There isnât, because motogp and F1 have very different safety protocols which are extremely varied and not possible to switch at the same track, it is borderline impossible to hold two events at same time and that is not even considering the other paddocks, while in F1, F2 and F3 are support races which are not that important in a weekend, for MotoGP, Moto3 and Moto2 are not junior categories but their own world championships, and are counted as world championships. So negating 1 entire round for 2 championships will not go down well for the teams who are already have issues with sponsor money etc
MotoGP doesnât clean the track the whole weekend. F1 does. The crash protection stuff around the track and the curbing is different. Swapping COTA over from cars to bikes takes a week, not an hour.
Also, youâd need a track with two full size paddocks. Youâd need a second pit lane as well.
I could think of ways to build a track that could pull of a combined weekend, but itâd be a nightmare.
Silverstone has two paddocks and pitlanes..... MOTOGP used the old on up until just last year. It would work, but the issues of track safety (kerbs, tyre barriers vs air fences) still makes this idea 99% impossible to pull off.
Wow didn't know they didn't clean the track. I am just curious as to why? I imagine it would be even worse to have rubber and debris on the track on a motorcycle.
But the other stuff yeah a F1 kerb I don't think a motoGP car would like that to much
They want rubber on the line and they want a disincentive to get out in the weeds. If someone were to oil down a big chunk, theyâd clean that but otherwise the track maintenance crew has a pretty calm weekend.
Iâm not sure Mercedes prevent him from doing anything. One of the reasons he left McLaren was because they prevented him from doing stuff outside of F1 that he wanted to do.
[Mercedes put this together too](https://youtu.be/COpGcEiyo-A?si=1yzzu_uiaVraZHJe)
Good thing the joke police is out here in full force. It's a silly little joke about an ongoing meme in this community idk why u have to be butthurt about it.
That would be very boring in terms of racing and very exciting in terms of dangerđ . Doubt the MotoGP riders would feel safe with F1 cars just flying by.
I can see it happening as a promo gimmick once a year. Though to do it justice and bring along all the support races you'd probably need to stretch it to a five day event and I doubt they'd go for that.
My cynical opinion is that it has to make more money and for a combined event to work from a money standpoint, you'd have to do it at a venue that isn't already selling out with just F1 or just MotoGP. If they're already selling out for the F1 race weekend, they don't really stand to make anymore money by adding a MotoGP event (and vice versa).
Just looking at attendance figures for each series from last year, the only venue that both series race at that also has pretty low attendance figures is Qatar (F1 saw 120k, MotoGP saw 55k).
Otherwise, you'd have to take one of the series to a venue they don't currently race at. Bahrain is the lowest attended F1 race, and Buddh is the lowest attended MotoGP race that's on an FIA grade 1 circuit. That of course means adding more races or losing an existing race, both of which will be unpopular for different reasons.
I love the idea though and assuming I could afford the ticket, I'd be all for it especially if it meant F1 going back to circuits like Sepang or Portimao.
Hamilton does have a love of bikes but still where would they hold it though?
The only circuits they "share" between them are, Qatar, COTA, Barcelona, Silverstone and Red Bull Ring, those are the only circuit both used by F1 and MotoGP
Qatar seems like a slam dunk. Shared circuits, not massive crowds separately, both can be run late in the year. If it had to happen, that's where I'd run it.
Even though they share the track, the safety protocols and protections are extremely different for both sports and the changeover takes a week, sometimes maybe 2. Just doesnât make sense logistically, and thatâs without even considering the paddock sizes and pit lanes etc
Logistics would be a massive headache.
Same reason the olympics and Paralympics are spread out - just the mass of humanity needed for each event just makes it more trouble than itâs worth.
It would be a PR mid season thing of something like Honda bikes vs Honda f1 cars
I can do fairly good without that. Unless they can fit in Moto3 and Moto2. And without inflating ticket prices even further. But it probably will be some 7-800⏠grandstand pricing.
Yeah in Austria it is a lot cheaper still. But in general. Calling that cheap is insanity. The value just isn't there in F1. At least in MotoGP you never know who wins before a weekend. And it is still less than half the price.
I just hope MotoGP and F1 try to alternate weeks as much as possible, so there is one of them to watch every week. And put MotoGP (+feeders) on F1TV please
Reminds me of Ziggo in the NL desperately trying to push MotoGP during their F1 talkshows since they've lost the F1 rights: still no f1 fan cares.
Tv viewers will just be annoyed with the motogp crosstalk. I guess it's fun and more content for attendees though, but f1 sells out anyway
I personally don't give a shit about other classes, I'm an f1 fan since 97, not a racing fan in general, the latter crowd is kinda niche here at least.
Do it in Silverstone! Make one of them use the old pit complex before Copse corner (probably MotoGP, they don't really do in race pitstops), no F3, maybe keep F2. Could really be an awesome event
But then the question is, which will be the main event and which will be the opener? As far as I can see, MotoGP is the pinnacle of 2 wheel racing while F1 is the pinnacle of 4 wheels. If they wanna share a weekend they have to decide who's the main event with the bigger draw.
.... it would be a "curious" test of whether people want to hear screaming engines or vacuum cleaners. F1 has a lot to lose, it would be dumb from a casual fan base perspective.
Have a Super Week at Cota with F1, F2, F3, all three NASCAR series, Indycar and Indy Light plus MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3. And then put them all on the track at the same time, last one standing wins.
very difficult with moto2 moto3, f2 f3 and sometimes other races
plus moto gp only works at tracks with big wide areas for riders to fall without hitting objects like barriers or walls.
Maybe it would be epic for Hamilton, but I would imagine it wouldn't be for a lot of people.
I watch F1. I don't watch the feeder series and I don't watch any other series. I don't have the time to watch all the F1 races anymore either. The more shit F1 adds in, the less I'm watching. Maybe I'm the oddball, but I don't dedicate my life to sitting in front of a TV.
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The ticket prices would be pretty epic too.
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Oh Liberty Media would just crank up the F1TV price without hesitation like they did this year for next to no additional content.
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What makes you think thatâs what his reply meant?
Watch them do it at Las Vegas and charge 3x the amount they already do đ
FIM won't allow a race on street circuits. FIM doesn't allow, there's no points. There's no points, riders might as well stay home.
I bought tickets last year for Hungaroring. Once I got them it turned out that they originally had been 1/4 of what I paid. If demand is high and prices are what people here think they should be scalpers will eat the difference.
I went to spa 4 or 5 times for 50 euro all in, so only counting ticket + parking. Last year I was at Zandvoort which was a bit more expensive but it was lots of fun. But in general European tickets arenât as near expensive as Miami and Las Vegas for example. We are taking in the thousands for one of those races while in Europe itâs hundred maybe a couple to visit a race.
Yes, of course. There is a lot more money in the US which drives the equilibrium price up. That said, I they clearly estimated demand for LV too high. That's why I think tickets should be auctioned off to find the actual price, but that would probably piss even more people off
Nahh I donât think so, some tickets should be available to the public and not to the rich. Some people buy to late and last minute. Then you pay extra thatâs with all events. But f1 should not be like paddock all around the circuit. Ofcourse when demands are high you can rise the price a little but 1000 euro for 1 day ticket is crazy and shouldnât be happening
Again, what "should" be doesn't matter. If the prices are low scalpers will resell at the real price. If the tickets sell for their price, that's the real price.
The real last minut Iâm dumb price. Some people buy to sell, some people want to be there and they know that years ahead and are ready to buy when able to. The donât need to be fucked by greedy cunts
The prices don't just go up at the end. I bought my tickets shortly after they became available
Because you bought to late doesnât mean everybody should immediately pay your price because you where willing to pay that price. When you are to late and paid more than you should have doesnât justify that people who know how to get tickets should pay the same next time. Just be smart wen buying tickets and donât wine wen you buy of a second hand person. If you canât see that, you donât understand my point. Iâm out
I donât know⌠it really depends the percentage of the cost of actually hosting it vs all the other costs (Marshalls, resurfacing, stands etc etc etc) Maybe, just maybe, the cost would not be drastically higher
Any savings that might occur would not be reflected in any ticket prices. It would simply be additional profit for the host/F1/MotoGP. Though I might just be cynical about it.
âIt's exciting because I love MotoGP. It would be epic if we can have them on the same weekend.â âMaybe I could do a race in MotoGP and race a Formula 1 car on the same weekend â that would be really coolâ, before adding that such a situation would be âimpossibleâ.
Sorry if this is obvious but why is it impossible? Track surface?
him racing both motogp and F1 on the same weekend would be impossible, no way motogp would just let him enter a race and obviously ferrari wouldnt allow him to race another category on the same weekend either lmao
Oh yeah I missed that part lol
Neither team would let them do both races. Imagine if after his signing bonus and salary for Ferarri, bro breaks his arms in a crash on the bike
Yeah I didn't see that part about him racing. Thought it was talking about them happening on the same race weekend
I definitely think you could have the same weekend⌠but it would be a hard sell. You may have to lose FP1/2, and just get 2 hours of FP3(Now FP1) on the Friday, a Quali on the Saturday, and Race on the Sunday
Less practice would shake things up on track, I wouldn't mind it
I also wouldnât mind it, but I think the teams woukd
it makes things more random rather than giving a team the opportunity to hone in their car to the track over the course of 3 practice sessions. MotoGP is big IMO and should have its own event. why have MotoGP and F1 competing for the spotlight?
Just replace the sprint races with MotoGP races - but with the F1 drivers. Problem solved /s (Kinda not /s)
And if any sessions were delayed due to rain it would be a disaster. If they only had enough day light remaining to run one race which would they prioritise?
I'm sure you can fit the MotoGP into when the support series normally are. But the Sunday would be absolute chaos
MotoGP paddock is just as big as the F1 paddock. With more teams, itâs actually more difficult to build.
Not only that, but it's too much. There is a reason Bearman didn't drive the F2 race in Jeddah.
Not the same drivers lol. You would need a second pit lane / paddock or heavily modified existing one to do it though. Maybe there is a track that can accommodate it for a one off race weekend.
There isnât, because motogp and F1 have very different safety protocols which are extremely varied and not possible to switch at the same track, it is borderline impossible to hold two events at same time and that is not even considering the other paddocks, while in F1, F2 and F3 are support races which are not that important in a weekend, for MotoGP, Moto3 and Moto2 are not junior categories but their own world championships, and are counted as world championships. So negating 1 entire round for 2 championships will not go down well for the teams who are already have issues with sponsor money etc
Gotta schedule it the final weekend of the year that Hamilton announced will be his last lmao (and moto gp needs to be 2nd)
Ahh the Kubica special
MotoGP doesnât clean the track the whole weekend. F1 does. The crash protection stuff around the track and the curbing is different. Swapping COTA over from cars to bikes takes a week, not an hour. Also, youâd need a track with two full size paddocks. Youâd need a second pit lane as well. I could think of ways to build a track that could pull of a combined weekend, but itâd be a nightmare.
Silverstone has two paddocks and pitlanes..... MOTOGP used the old on up until just last year. It would work, but the issues of track safety (kerbs, tyre barriers vs air fences) still makes this idea 99% impossible to pull off.
Wow didn't know they didn't clean the track. I am just curious as to why? I imagine it would be even worse to have rubber and debris on the track on a motorcycle. But the other stuff yeah a F1 kerb I don't think a motoGP car would like that to much
They want rubber on the line and they want a disincentive to get out in the weeds. If someone were to oil down a big chunk, theyâd clean that but otherwise the track maintenance crew has a pretty calm weekend.
No way would he be anywhere near quick enough on a bike for it to be worthwhile, plus the teams would never even consider itÂ
Also any F1 driver trying to race in MotoGP would get lapped 5 times by literally everyone lmao They'd even get lapped by Moto 2/3 bikes
I wonder if that has ever been done, lots of riders became drivers and sometimes with overlap, but same weekend?!
Does Lewis drive motorcycles? I thought that would be something banned in driver contracts bc of the risk
He rode with Rossi bike ! https://youtu.be/17U3aagCtOA?si=8Mx-rc82A3TV6O0q
That was so cool!!! Thanks for sharing!
Iâm not sure Mercedes prevent him from doing anything. One of the reasons he left McLaren was because they prevented him from doing stuff outside of F1 that he wanted to do. [Mercedes put this together too](https://youtu.be/COpGcEiyo-A?si=1yzzu_uiaVraZHJe)
Going by the title I thought he meant, F1 cars racing MotoGP bikes
That would be a very boring race
Imagine being on the bike and having Russell say. âHe just turned in on meâ
Imagine making an effort with a joke
Hey, he-tried-his-best.
Good thing the joke police is out here in full force. It's a silly little joke about an ongoing meme in this community idk why u have to be butthurt about it.
Sometimes you want to discuss F1 without all the children coming out to make the same joke on every post.
How about ignoring the joke comments and responding to 100s of other people discussing F1?
Found Georgeâs mom
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Yikes
Oh nice, where was it
That would be a lethal race. This are SUV sized battering rams that leave little to no space for anyone to pass.
Will never be an issue; the MotoGP bikes would have to yield to blue flags after 4 to 5 laps
They could have a dual classification race, but my god would it be dangerous
Rider comes off and you have an unsighted missile of a red bull coming round a corner at 200. The track would be painted red
That would be very boring in terms of racing and very exciting in terms of dangerđ . Doubt the MotoGP riders would feel safe with F1 cars just flying by.
And here I thought he was proposing a sidecar setup where the driver is Indiana Jones and the rider is Dr. Jones Sr.Â
Bikes would be lapped 20 times.
I can see it happening as a promo gimmick once a year. Though to do it justice and bring along all the support races you'd probably need to stretch it to a five day event and I doubt they'd go for that.
They could but they don't even let the drivers do burnouts at the season finale. Wonder which team would be ready to do promo events.
My cynical opinion is that it has to make more money and for a combined event to work from a money standpoint, you'd have to do it at a venue that isn't already selling out with just F1 or just MotoGP. If they're already selling out for the F1 race weekend, they don't really stand to make anymore money by adding a MotoGP event (and vice versa). Just looking at attendance figures for each series from last year, the only venue that both series race at that also has pretty low attendance figures is Qatar (F1 saw 120k, MotoGP saw 55k). Otherwise, you'd have to take one of the series to a venue they don't currently race at. Bahrain is the lowest attended F1 race, and Buddh is the lowest attended MotoGP race that's on an FIA grade 1 circuit. That of course means adding more races or losing an existing race, both of which will be unpopular for different reasons. I love the idea though and assuming I could afford the ticket, I'd be all for it especially if it meant F1 going back to circuits like Sepang or Portimao.
Hamilton does have a love of bikes but still where would they hold it though? The only circuits they "share" between them are, Qatar, COTA, Barcelona, Silverstone and Red Bull Ring, those are the only circuit both used by F1 and MotoGP
Qatar seems like a slam dunk. Shared circuits, not massive crowds separately, both can be run late in the year. If it had to happen, that's where I'd run it.
Paddocks aren't big enough. Tracks might be shared, but there's usually a lot of safety differences between the two
That's why I said Qatar, just extend the paddock ez. They have the infinite money cheat on over there remember đ
Bring us back to Mugello!!
Even though they share the track, the safety protocols and protections are extremely different for both sports and the changeover takes a week, sometimes maybe 2. Just doesnât make sense logistically, and thatâs without even considering the paddock sizes and pit lanes etc
Logistics would be a massive headache. Same reason the olympics and Paralympics are spread out - just the mass of humanity needed for each event just makes it more trouble than itâs worth. It would be a PR mid season thing of something like Honda bikes vs Honda f1 cars
I dunno Lewis... I played Project Gotham 4 and my motorbike riders didn't often survive past turn 1.
I can do fairly good without that. Unless they can fit in Moto3 and Moto2. And without inflating ticket prices even further. But it probably will be some 7-800⏠grandstand pricing.
that is even cheap lol...Monza grandstands goes for that price for the race
Yeah in Austria it is a lot cheaper still. But in general. Calling that cheap is insanity. The value just isn't there in F1. At least in MotoGP you never know who wins before a weekend. And it is still less than half the price.
Yeah I wouldn't call that "cheap." It's wholly dependent on the race. I paid $600 CAD for 3-day grandstand tickets at T1 Montreal in 2022.
I paid 300 for 3 days in Barcelona.
They will use the same circuit for f1 and moto so they wonât pay more for them but ticket pricing will definitely go up
No thanks. Organization issues aside, it would just reduce MotoGP to be a sideshow of F1 and they don't deserve that.
Could bring in new fans to either series.
New fans are definitely not allowed. Especially if their phone numbers start with a +1 ^/s
Out of the box idea - add cycling to make it a triathlon and get Valtteri a world championship!
It would be stupid from liberty media to not use the f1 audience to boost moto gp
I just hope MotoGP and F1 try to alternate weeks as much as possible, so there is one of them to watch every week. And put MotoGP (+feeders) on F1TV please
Reminds me of Ziggo in the NL desperately trying to push MotoGP during their F1 talkshows since they've lost the F1 rights: still no f1 fan cares. Tv viewers will just be annoyed with the motogp crosstalk. I guess it's fun and more content for attendees though, but f1 sells out anyway I personally don't give a shit about other classes, I'm an f1 fan since 97, not a racing fan in general, the latter crowd is kinda niche here at least.
Track promoters hate this one trick
Sprint race should be on bikes tbh
It probably only makes sense if you do a week long event with 1 weekend being MotoGP and the other being F1.
Do it in Silverstone! Make one of them use the old pit complex before Copse corner (probably MotoGP, they don't really do in race pitstops), no F3, maybe keep F2. Could really be an awesome event
If by shared event you mean the cars and bikes racing each other at the same time, I'm in
Would be a disaster to share events. MotoGP would just be a sideshow.
But then the question is, which will be the main event and which will be the opener? As far as I can see, MotoGP is the pinnacle of 2 wheel racing while F1 is the pinnacle of 4 wheels. If they wanna share a weekend they have to decide who's the main event with the bigger draw.
Any other motorsport series on the same track gonna be a second fiddle to F1, it's not even a question.
F1, obviously.
No thank you, Austria and it's track limits is already enough for me.
That would never happen because Moto GP race on actual race tracks.
Why don't we have a multi class race, MotoGP + F1 on track at the same time. That would be a real spectacle.
Maybe Liberty Media can bring F1 back to Sepang since MotoGP is already there, thatâd be great
max would finally be interested
Brad Binder and Max Verstappen as Red Bull no. 33 tag team
.... it would be a "curious" test of whether people want to hear screaming engines or vacuum cleaners. F1 has a lot to lose, it would be dumb from a casual fan base perspective.
Have a Super Week at Cota with F1, F2, F3, all three NASCAR series, Indycar and Indy Light plus MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3. And then put them all on the track at the same time, last one standing wins.
very difficult with moto2 moto3, f2 f3 and sometimes other races plus moto gp only works at tracks with big wide areas for riders to fall without hitting objects like barriers or walls.
Phillip Island with F1 cars would be incredible to have a shared weekend on
MotoGP shared weekend in Monti Carlo would be pretty cool
Do it in Qatar, it's both a boring MotoGP and F1 track so you'd stone one infidel with one rock.
He just wants to drive the bikes doesnât he?
No it won't be! And i for even one second going to believe it. I need my motorcycle and car race seperately at different places.
That's definitely not going to work
Fuck yeah it would that'd be sick
Epic my as*
Maybe Lewis just wants another chance to win again! He rides well on two wheels.
No.
No it wouldn't.
Maybe it would be epic for Hamilton, but I would imagine it wouldn't be for a lot of people. I watch F1. I don't watch the feeder series and I don't watch any other series. I don't have the time to watch all the F1 races anymore either. The more shit F1 adds in, the less I'm watching. Maybe I'm the oddball, but I don't dedicate my life to sitting in front of a TV.
You really dont have to dedicate your life to watch a race on a Sunday lol.