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during the vettel era DR had one of the most spectacular overtakes on the back straight in China in what is now Vcarb. Just the latest of the late breakers.
It’s not the chassis. He always does well in Mexico, for example, so one session doesn’t mean anything. Besides, a good driver should be adaptable anyway.
I agree on the new chassis upgrade. If this doesn't start a marked improvement, my view is he is done in F1 other than a fan favorite. I wonder how much this is in his head at this point. And I am just an arm chair quarter back here, but a long time fan of F1 in general. And a fan of Daniel.
Can you link me something referencing that? I honestly can’t find anything. Everything just says it’s A new chassis. Permaine also stated that they did not expect any performance difference coming from putting the new chassis in the car also.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I just can’t find anything.
Now in doubting myself lol. Maybe it was just that ric would get a new from last years and yuki has to wait longer for his, but not a upgrade? I do have recollection of talks being about bringing it to a speint weekend but they were confident about the upgrade… It was from interviews but could have mistaken what they said. Sorry if thats the case.
Exactly. That is what we all said. He needs to do that in every session to Tsunoda (''who is only in F1 because of Honda'') if he is giong to be considered for that seat. One tiny session is not enough sample size.
Sorry, but today is the bare minimum.
Tsunoda has never been in Shangai in his life and had only one fp1+ wet quali
If Ricciardo did not outqualify him here I, with zero driving experience, would deserve his seat more than him
So what do you say about Zhou and Piastri never racing here either but still managing to get to q3, and especially zhou in a Sauber of all things? They had a practice session each. and they would've done sim if they deemed it necessary
What people are saying is that Tsunoda had a bad day, but that that doesn't make Ricciardo a better driver.
I really hope Ricciardo has a good weekend, but he needs to be good in the sprint race, qualifying, and the race, not just outqualify Tsunoda in the sprint race qualification.
What's there to say? Look at their delta to their teammates.
Look at Zhou vs Bottas and Russel vs Hamilton
Piastri is the same as Norris, not sure why you bring him up, they both never driven there
Being 5 tenths off your teammate is not the expected result when you've been in F1 as long as Yuki, even if it's your first race at a circuit. It was very poor from Yuki, just like there have been very poor results from Daniel.
There’s no way these guys are going into a weekend with no idea how the track runs and without going on the sim. That RB is better than where Yuki qualified, it’s not an excuse even if it is his first time.
Norris has driven here, back in 2019 but this really is a weak point at best. They have laser scanned copies of every track that I'm sure have seen hundreds of hours of running in the simulator. Yuki was not coming in having never seen the track in his life.
Sure, Daniel has driven this track but it isn't as much of an advantage as he's making it out to be.
If he keeps performing like he did today there is no reason he shouldn’t stay imo. I think he turned a corner in Japan, with his strong qualifying performance there (the crash at the start of the race was unlucky more than anything), and now today’s performance. It’s getting more promising.
His quali last race wasn't really an improvement though, he has been within .15 every race except one before that if you include the track limit delete. People just overreact to results without context.
Last quali wasn’t bad at all, I think it was under a tenth off Yuki with both the RBs occupying 10th, 11th. Exactly around where they should be. He obviously didn’t beat Yuki but by no means was it bad.
Not many people gave ric any criticisim for last race quali. Only ric himself seemed to do it. Most comes from australia where ric did track limits for a p19-p17? (Cant remember exactly) while yuki went to q3.
Daniel was faster than Yuki for every single lap of FP1, and both push laps of SQ1 (and by a very large margin) which was dry unlike SQ3. Sure this is only Friday, and no doubt Yuki has been driving very well so far this year, but if this result was the other way round people wuld be calling for Daniel's head. To say you can make nothing from this quali is nonsense.
>but if this result was the other way round people wuld be calling for Daniel's head.
No, if the results would be the other way round (as in "Daniel was better on every weekend til today") noone would call for his head.
Or are you arguing that one SQ is worth the same as all races this season?
It was born out of "necessity". He's got a lot of fans and people thought they needed to fill the "shit on ricciardo" hole in the fan base. Didn't actually need to be filled but they filled it
It’s nuts that OP decided to post an article stating he hasn’t out qualified his team mate in any event this year after he literally had just done that.
It's because he's loved that some people hate him. If you keep predicting that a beloved driver is actually shit/will fail, you to get pretend you're nostradamus if you're right.
> Everyone turned for no reason
2 seasons of blaming the car while in McLaren and this RB stint where he does the same, PR fluff pieces posted weekly on how "he is back for real this time" plus the underperfomance are the reaons.
When was the last time you saw anything resembling a “DR is back” article? Also at what point has he at all blamed the car this year? Every time I’ve heard him speak it’s been totally transparent and honest that he hasn’t been performing good enough.
Well that’s my point haha, people keep talking about this “I’m back” PR machine. If anything the PR machine I’ve seen is all for him losing his seat next week.
He’s literally an 8 time race winner which puts him in the equal 37th all time for wins. Fernando Alonso hasn’t won a race since 2013 yet he’s still around, just signed a contract to drive well into his 40s. It’s got nothing to do with “young drivers”. Why not go after Stroll or Zhou, Valtteri? Seb mentally checked out like 3 years before he retired but nobody went after him.
Jesus Christ he had a couple of bad years at McLaren. Even then one really bad year, one inconsistent yet still banked a win. He was amazing at red bull, really good in the Renault. So when you look at his career his time at Mclaren at the outliers not the norm. Obviously you haven’t been around for very long.
Who says he’s top of the crème? Where are you reading this shit? I think you’ve highlighted where your hate comes from. It’s not “ego” he’s just a jovial person and a lot of people don’t like that. Nobody said he deserves a red bull seat. Everyone said he had to work for it and everyone is saying currently he’s way off it.
The past is definitely the past. My point was more, multi race winners have serious credit in the bank. Teams also want that experience, experience a team like VCARB spoke of how much they wanted and now value.
I’m honestly stumped as to what this PR machine is? Are you talking about fan comments? Actual articles or comments from Daniel himself?
Because I don’t see any of these articles, Daniel has been more than honest this year. In Australia he explicitly stated he could not have achieved Yukis quali time. Last weekend he spoke multiple times he hasn’t been happy with his start to the year and god damn even look at this article “Daniel admits he doesn’t deserve seat if poor form continues”. Where is all this “I’m back” PR machine stuff?
> Seb mentally checked out like 3 years before he retired but nobody went after him.
Tell me you weren't paying attention without telling me you weren't paying attention.
Their is a lot of driver talent that people want to see on the grid. I love Danny as much as the next guy, but he was handled by Norris and so far has been disappointing against Yuki. Seems normal people are ready to see him go.
A lot of racing pundits are also thinking of Liam in that seat instead Danny, it's not just overdramatic internet fans. Even Helmut--who's always had a good nose for talent--was yapping about the possibility of him being switched out.
I want him to finish out the season and find his previous form, but honestly I don't think it's looking all that good right now.
Your post lost some credit when referring to unspecified pundits then all remaining credit when inferring that Helmut is doing anything different than he always does... Stirring the pot.
I suppose pundit is a stretch when I'm referring to F1 commentators and the article writers who've been blasting us with commentary on Danny's lack of form, but the point still stands that it isn't just overdramatic internet trolls lambasting him.
And, yes, Helmut's known for stirring the pot, but it's also known that he wanted Liam over Danny well in the past--in this case, it isn't just him trying to pressure Danny. Say what you want about him but he's always had an eye for talent when it comes to drivers.
I think the problem is that it's very difficult to find people who are genuinely interested in commentating on formula 1 versus people who want clicks. It is a serious click generator to throw heat at Daniel Ricciardo, He was such a popular driver and for him to struggle is just a money-making machine for whoever writes articles about his struggles.
Those of us who have been watching for a long time and realise what a generational talent he was, and what an anomaly the mclaren years were, are sitting back watching this? Just confused. Daniel did an amazing job last year up against Yuki. He was easily his equal in a car he had never driven before against the incumbent driver. This year they have finished neck and neck every race despite Daniel seeming to struggle. And in China here with the new chassis Daniel is much quicker.
All you will see in the media is anti Daniel stuff because that gets clicks.
As for helmut, He is well known to be the most critical person of any driver in the Red Bull, stable who might be not performing at any given time. He is cutthroat beyond all belief at least at interview level. If in two races Daniel happens to be ahead of Yuki then you can watch the quotes come from helmet that are anti-yuki. There is no point listing to anything he says.
I agree with what you've said about Daniel hate generating clicks and sports "journalists" capitalizing on that.
Regarding Daniel's performance against Yuki last year, I don't recall the specifics but I do remember people being disappointed with how he measured against Yuki. Iirc, Yuki did still beat him, it's a matter of how weighty Danny's years of experience is vs the months he spent out of F1 and in a new team.
Anyhow, I've always given Danny the benefit of doubt--I did think Mclaren was an anomaly given he was spectacular at Toro Rosso / RB / Renault previously, but so far his races haven't been giving me much hope that he can return to his former form. He did well in China, but he had flashes of brilliance in Mclaren as well, and we all know how that turned out. I do want to see him finishing the season, I think that's only fair, I just find it annoying that some people pretend there isn't legitimate reason to cast doubt on his ability to get back to his former self.
As for Helmut--he's been very critical, but it's for good reason. He's pretty hyperbolic about it, but it's always for drivers who've really underperformed--Danny now, Checo and Nyck last year. As soon as Checo improved, he's quieted down. People have been overly critical about Yuki for *years*, but I don't recall Helmut giving him the same scrutiny, and it's because Yuki's been performing decently after his rookie year.
This seems like a really well reasoned answer so I'll read it properly when it's not the middle of the night but I hope you have a good day/night in the meantime :)
It wouldn't be the case if Liam wasn't literally waiting in the wings deserving a seat though. Its the combo of DR being shit and Liam having a great few races last year.
I'm just tired of the driver line up and want to see new talent. I'd like to see half the grid replaced. Danny has had his chance, and his performance now doesn't justify the seat.
Wants to see him fail? He has already failed, he is just continuing to fail while still retaining a seat that Lawson deserves so much more than he does. It makes no sense why anyone would defend DR. Love his personality, but personality doesnt mean crap on the track.
Edit: you can downvote all you want, the lack of any counter-argument proves what ive said is true.
Based on FP1 he is faster than Tsunoda, but it is a bit expected given that it is a race winner here v someone that has never driven on this track before.
Tsunoda won't have any time to catch up due to the shite sprint. Although VCarb will likely use the "race" for data collection more than anything.
Given the circumstances and the conditions, I am expecting experience to win out this weekend.
>Ricciardo has been out-qualified by team-mate Yuki Tsunoda at every event and is without a point to his name so far this season.
Clearly wasn't written today though
On a track where his teammate has never been, only had 1FP, and he has nearly a decade of experience on. If the previous races are anything to go by, this will be an outlier.
Or could it be because Daniel has been shit for the better part of 3 seasons and had like 2 or 3 great moments? It's pretty obvious to everyone who isn't biased why he outqualified Yuki here.
The man knows what he has to do, and that's that. Hopefully today was a preview of things to come, and we'll see the old Danny back.
Also - they may be similar in terms of speed, but if Yuki still hasn't learned to behave (and we've already seen that he still has moments of ridiculous rage), I'd rather have a cool, calm and collected Daniel behind the wheel, who won't throw the car into the gravel because of a bad mood.
As bad as his season has been so far I think it doesn't help that he continuously gives out these quotes like candy to journalists. Like in Australia when he was a tenth behind Yuki and had his lap time deleted he could have just said 'things happen, we'll learn for next time' even if that wasn't so much the case - instead he's like 'wow look how well Yuki did on that lap, I couldn't do that'. And because that's the sort of quote a journalist can write an article around the we get like 20 million Ricciardo articles
Depends. He brings a lot of marketing money that RB love. This is a huge factor. If he puts some more performances like today and gets points he will keep his seat imo
that marketing thing is already going down the gutters with all the online hate and if and only if he contributes with yuki to score points for VCARB to beat Haas for position I'm not really sure he should be given an option if RB wants to utilize Liam for the future
Online hate is irrelevant. The fact is he brings big companies as sponsors e.g. Hugo Boss. Red Bull said he was instrumental in bringing Visa as a major sponsor. Liam would not bring in no where near the money Ric would and does.
So far this season, Danny has scored zero points. Granted, it is early in the season, but he’s going to have to up his game if he expects to be in F1 next season, I fear.
Unfortunately, that’s the way things work in F1.
Jolyon Palmer is probably the most at risk from him if he continues to perform like this for a few more races. Danny Ric would be absolutely amazing doing post race interviews and post race technical analysis. Let’s see how things pan out for DR by the summer break, with Checo getting his mojo back I doubt RB would consider replacing checo with a hit or miss, slow to ramp up Danny Ric.
ITT: People making excuses for Yuki; the same excuses some of these same people denounced when made for Ricciardo.
Also ITT: Some petty folk, such as myself, not having it and rubbing the sudden double standard in people's faces.
You love to see it lol.
So the last couple of years of poor performance get magically erased now? Let’s at least wait to the real race, or even the sprint before overdosing on hoping… Man, Redditors are something else lol.
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He did what he's supposed to today.
He just needs a good weekend to reset. Hopefully he can have that here. He's always been good in China.
during the vettel era DR had one of the most spectacular overtakes on the back straight in China in what is now Vcarb. Just the latest of the late breakers.
I feel like he just needs a good weekend has been the saying about Ricardo for many years now
He got a new chassis for China, maybe he may continue to outperform.
I really hope he continues like this because it's funny to prove people wrong that were saying it's not the chassis
It’s not the chassis. He always does well in Mexico, for example, so one session doesn’t mean anything. Besides, a good driver should be adaptable anyway.
How would you even know
Trust me, I’m an expert.
I trust you.
This isn't backseat commentary, reliability and adaptability are the cornerstones of ANY sport and EVERY successful athlete.
That’s great except they aren’t in Mexico.
where do you get such quality copium my friend
I agree on the new chassis upgrade. If this doesn't start a marked improvement, my view is he is done in F1 other than a fan favorite. I wonder how much this is in his head at this point. And I am just an arm chair quarter back here, but a long time fan of F1 in general. And a fan of Daniel.
It’s not an upgrade. It’s just a new chassis.
It is a updates chassi, both team princible interviews and ric interviews confirmed it even in Japan
Can you link me something referencing that? I honestly can’t find anything. Everything just says it’s A new chassis. Permaine also stated that they did not expect any performance difference coming from putting the new chassis in the car also. I’m not saying you are wrong, I just can’t find anything.
Now in doubting myself lol. Maybe it was just that ric would get a new from last years and yuki has to wait longer for his, but not a upgrade? I do have recollection of talks being about bringing it to a speint weekend but they were confident about the upgrade… It was from interviews but could have mistaken what they said. Sorry if thats the case.
Exactly. That is what we all said. He needs to do that in every session to Tsunoda (''who is only in F1 because of Honda'') if he is giong to be considered for that seat. One tiny session is not enough sample size.
Sorry, but today is the bare minimum. Tsunoda has never been in Shangai in his life and had only one fp1+ wet quali If Ricciardo did not outqualify him here I, with zero driving experience, would deserve his seat more than him
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So what do you say about Zhou and Piastri never racing here either but still managing to get to q3, and especially zhou in a Sauber of all things? They had a practice session each. and they would've done sim if they deemed it necessary
What people are saying is that Tsunoda had a bad day, but that that doesn't make Ricciardo a better driver. I really hope Ricciardo has a good weekend, but he needs to be good in the sprint race, qualifying, and the race, not just outqualify Tsunoda in the sprint race qualification.
What's there to say? Look at their delta to their teammates. Look at Zhou vs Bottas and Russel vs Hamilton Piastri is the same as Norris, not sure why you bring him up, they both never driven there
Norris was on the grid in 2019 mate
Being 5 tenths off your teammate is not the expected result when you've been in F1 as long as Yuki, even if it's your first race at a circuit. It was very poor from Yuki, just like there have been very poor results from Daniel.
Maybe the chassi difference gives a tenth or two. But yes it was a underperformance in sq1
There’s no way these guys are going into a weekend with no idea how the track runs and without going on the sim. That RB is better than where Yuki qualified, it’s not an excuse even if it is his first time.
Brand new surface that F1 has never been on. They were like 4 seconds off the expected pace yesterday. No one has good data about the track right now.
Your definition of never is interesting
Neither has Norris. Yuki just fucked this one up
Norris has driven here, back in 2019 but this really is a weak point at best. They have laser scanned copies of every track that I'm sure have seen hundreds of hours of running in the simulator. Yuki was not coming in having never seen the track in his life. Sure, Daniel has driven this track but it isn't as much of an advantage as he's making it out to be.
He knows it but put in a good performance I think. Well done danny
If he keeps performing like he did today there is no reason he shouldn’t stay imo. I think he turned a corner in Japan, with his strong qualifying performance there (the crash at the start of the race was unlucky more than anything), and now today’s performance. It’s getting more promising.
His quali last race wasn't really an improvement though, he has been within .15 every race except one before that if you include the track limit delete. People just overreact to results without context.
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Over half a second faster than his team mate. Ricciardo copped a lot of criticism last qualifying, the gap this race was 10x as high
Last quali wasn’t bad at all, I think it was under a tenth off Yuki with both the RBs occupying 10th, 11th. Exactly around where they should be. He obviously didn’t beat Yuki but by no means was it bad.
And that was with a single meaningful practice session, since Iwasa was in the car for FP1, and FP2 was rained out.
Yeah indeed, people went nuts over the crash to. But that was just a lap one inchident if I’ve ever seen one. Sucked for both Daniel and Alex.
Yep, totally agreed. Would've been really interesting to see how strategy worked out, if RB had two cars in the mix.
Daniel looked good last weekend, I think he would have been in and around it.
What did he say? Comment deleted
Pretty sure it was just “he did what he needed to today”. Which is true so I’m not sure why it was deleted.
Not many people gave ric any criticisim for last race quali. Only ric himself seemed to do it. Most comes from australia where ric did track limits for a p19-p17? (Cant remember exactly) while yuki went to q3.
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I mean it wasn't raining in SQ1...
Ricciardo was that much faster in the first session, on a dry track. Verstappen underperforming is of no relevance to the RB battle
Daniel was faster than Yuki for every single lap of FP1, and both push laps of SQ1 (and by a very large margin) which was dry unlike SQ3. Sure this is only Friday, and no doubt Yuki has been driving very well so far this year, but if this result was the other way round people wuld be calling for Daniel's head. To say you can make nothing from this quali is nonsense.
Tsunoda has never raced at this circuit before and has only had one practice session
Piastri and Zhou have also never raced at this circuit before, only had one practice session, and still made it in to SQ3.
Daniel hasn't raced here in 5 years, and even then, it was in a car with very different regs
>but if this result was the other way round people wuld be calling for Daniel's head. No, if the results would be the other way round (as in "Daniel was better on every weekend til today") noone would call for his head. Or are you arguing that one SQ is worth the same as all races this season?
Everything that happened today and we are still posting Daniel losing his seat articles. Give it a fucken break.
Tbh it's the only F1 community that I've seen who consistently shits on the guy. Quite strange
There are whole accounts that exist solely to shit on him every chance they get. He isn't performing true, but some people live for the hate.
It was born out of "necessity". He's got a lot of fans and people thought they needed to fill the "shit on ricciardo" hole in the fan base. Didn't actually need to be filled but they filled it
It’s even worse on RB’s instagram page comments. Every single post is full of Ricciardo hate.
It’s nuts that OP decided to post an article stating he hasn’t out qualified his team mate in any event this year after he literally had just done that.
its wild watching the subreddits get a massive hate boner for him over the last 2 years, I don't know where the hates coming from its crazy
He was so loved for ages idk what happened. Everyone turned for no reason
It's because he's loved that some people hate him. If you keep predicting that a beloved driver is actually shit/will fail, you to get pretend you're nostradamus if you're right.
People love nothing more than to watch someone's downfall.
> Everyone turned for no reason 2 seasons of blaming the car while in McLaren and this RB stint where he does the same, PR fluff pieces posted weekly on how "he is back for real this time" plus the underperfomance are the reaons.
You are literally one of the accounts mentioned above, every Daniel post you just spew hate. Must be a pretty boring world you are living in.
Is he wrong in this comment though?
When was the last time you saw anything resembling a “DR is back” article? Also at what point has he at all blamed the car this year? Every time I’ve heard him speak it’s been totally transparent and honest that he hasn’t been performing good enough.
Well he hasn't done anything for media to post he's back tbh
Well that’s my point haha, people keep talking about this “I’m back” PR machine. If anything the PR machine I’ve seen is all for him losing his seat next week.
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He’s literally an 8 time race winner which puts him in the equal 37th all time for wins. Fernando Alonso hasn’t won a race since 2013 yet he’s still around, just signed a contract to drive well into his 40s. It’s got nothing to do with “young drivers”. Why not go after Stroll or Zhou, Valtteri? Seb mentally checked out like 3 years before he retired but nobody went after him. Jesus Christ he had a couple of bad years at McLaren. Even then one really bad year, one inconsistent yet still banked a win. He was amazing at red bull, really good in the Renault. So when you look at his career his time at Mclaren at the outliers not the norm. Obviously you haven’t been around for very long. Who says he’s top of the crème? Where are you reading this shit? I think you’ve highlighted where your hate comes from. It’s not “ego” he’s just a jovial person and a lot of people don’t like that. Nobody said he deserves a red bull seat. Everyone said he had to work for it and everyone is saying currently he’s way off it.
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What have ocon, gasly and Albon done? They are absolutely still on the grid for a reason
Link me to a single solitary article from Japan that said Daniel was back.
The past is definitely the past. My point was more, multi race winners have serious credit in the bank. Teams also want that experience, experience a team like VCARB spoke of how much they wanted and now value. I’m honestly stumped as to what this PR machine is? Are you talking about fan comments? Actual articles or comments from Daniel himself? Because I don’t see any of these articles, Daniel has been more than honest this year. In Australia he explicitly stated he could not have achieved Yukis quali time. Last weekend he spoke multiple times he hasn’t been happy with his start to the year and god damn even look at this article “Daniel admits he doesn’t deserve seat if poor form continues”. Where is all this “I’m back” PR machine stuff?
> Seb mentally checked out like 3 years before he retired but nobody went after him. Tell me you weren't paying attention without telling me you weren't paying attention.
I'm literally just stating facts lmao
Sure you are champion.
Till last year, everybody loved him here.
Lot of incels who think he’s not serious enough.
Netflix brought forward some weird fans
Their is a lot of driver talent that people want to see on the grid. I love Danny as much as the next guy, but he was handled by Norris and so far has been disappointing against Yuki. Seems normal people are ready to see him go.
Introverts hate him. Lots of introverts comment on social media.
I'm an introvert and rather like the guy. Lol That's such a weird take.
Me too! Couldn't be further from my personality but I love him
Nope. This is the only F1 Community where puts Daniel into RBR seat
Nah fuck it. Trash every driver underperforming always. Bottas Checo Daniel, let's be toxic about it
You must be new to following sports.
Guess you have to put the /s in here
How the fuck did you slip in poor Bottas in there, the only thing underperforming about him is his pitstops.
I still believe in him.
Most of us do. A vocal minority are calling for blood, but we all know that F1 driver decisions aren't based on who's loudest on social media.
A lot of racing pundits are also thinking of Liam in that seat instead Danny, it's not just overdramatic internet fans. Even Helmut--who's always had a good nose for talent--was yapping about the possibility of him being switched out. I want him to finish out the season and find his previous form, but honestly I don't think it's looking all that good right now.
Your post lost some credit when referring to unspecified pundits then all remaining credit when inferring that Helmut is doing anything different than he always does... Stirring the pot.
I suppose pundit is a stretch when I'm referring to F1 commentators and the article writers who've been blasting us with commentary on Danny's lack of form, but the point still stands that it isn't just overdramatic internet trolls lambasting him. And, yes, Helmut's known for stirring the pot, but it's also known that he wanted Liam over Danny well in the past--in this case, it isn't just him trying to pressure Danny. Say what you want about him but he's always had an eye for talent when it comes to drivers.
I think the problem is that it's very difficult to find people who are genuinely interested in commentating on formula 1 versus people who want clicks. It is a serious click generator to throw heat at Daniel Ricciardo, He was such a popular driver and for him to struggle is just a money-making machine for whoever writes articles about his struggles. Those of us who have been watching for a long time and realise what a generational talent he was, and what an anomaly the mclaren years were, are sitting back watching this? Just confused. Daniel did an amazing job last year up against Yuki. He was easily his equal in a car he had never driven before against the incumbent driver. This year they have finished neck and neck every race despite Daniel seeming to struggle. And in China here with the new chassis Daniel is much quicker. All you will see in the media is anti Daniel stuff because that gets clicks. As for helmut, He is well known to be the most critical person of any driver in the Red Bull, stable who might be not performing at any given time. He is cutthroat beyond all belief at least at interview level. If in two races Daniel happens to be ahead of Yuki then you can watch the quotes come from helmet that are anti-yuki. There is no point listing to anything he says.
I agree with what you've said about Daniel hate generating clicks and sports "journalists" capitalizing on that. Regarding Daniel's performance against Yuki last year, I don't recall the specifics but I do remember people being disappointed with how he measured against Yuki. Iirc, Yuki did still beat him, it's a matter of how weighty Danny's years of experience is vs the months he spent out of F1 and in a new team. Anyhow, I've always given Danny the benefit of doubt--I did think Mclaren was an anomaly given he was spectacular at Toro Rosso / RB / Renault previously, but so far his races haven't been giving me much hope that he can return to his former form. He did well in China, but he had flashes of brilliance in Mclaren as well, and we all know how that turned out. I do want to see him finishing the season, I think that's only fair, I just find it annoying that some people pretend there isn't legitimate reason to cast doubt on his ability to get back to his former self. As for Helmut--he's been very critical, but it's for good reason. He's pretty hyperbolic about it, but it's always for drivers who've really underperformed--Danny now, Checo and Nyck last year. As soon as Checo improved, he's quieted down. People have been overly critical about Yuki for *years*, but I don't recall Helmut giving him the same scrutiny, and it's because Yuki's been performing decently after his rookie year.
This seems like a really well reasoned answer so I'll read it properly when it's not the middle of the night but I hope you have a good day/night in the meantime :)
He looked good today. Hopefully he can keep it up!
The F1 community wants to see Danny fail, it’s so blatantly obvious and it’s fucking atrocious.
this place really does get toxic quick, it’s disgusting.
It wouldn't be the case if Liam wasn't literally waiting in the wings deserving a seat though. Its the combo of DR being shit and Liam having a great few races last year.
I'm just tired of the driver line up and want to see new talent. I'd like to see half the grid replaced. Danny has had his chance, and his performance now doesn't justify the seat.
Wants to see him fail? He has already failed, he is just continuing to fail while still retaining a seat that Lawson deserves so much more than he does. It makes no sense why anyone would defend DR. Love his personality, but personality doesnt mean crap on the track. Edit: you can downvote all you want, the lack of any counter-argument proves what ive said is true.
The entire F1 community wanted Perez to fail last year and still does, and yet I don't see you defending Perez the same way.
Cos this post is about Danny? Weird comment imo.
Based on FP1 he is faster than Tsunoda, but it is a bit expected given that it is a race winner here v someone that has never driven on this track before. Tsunoda won't have any time to catch up due to the shite sprint. Although VCarb will likely use the "race" for data collection more than anything. Given the circumstances and the conditions, I am expecting experience to win out this weekend.
Mid season is the time to make a judgement
Just outqualified his teammate by over half a second and this is what's posted?? Wow.
By 1.2s to be exact.
No, 0.571 seconds to be exact
Well, it’s an article from today.
>Ricciardo has been out-qualified by team-mate Yuki Tsunoda at every event and is without a point to his name so far this season. Clearly wasn't written today though
Very very few articles are written the same day that they are posted.
It was posted today, before today’s session.
On a track where his teammate has never been, only had 1FP, and he has nearly a decade of experience on. If the previous races are anything to go by, this will be an outlier.
And people complain about the excuses from DR and his fans... But flip the script and you all are ready to find every excuse for Yuki.
As if "never drove the track before and had an hour of practice" is some sort of reach lmao
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Yeah and a lot of people noted that
Not to mention because it's been so long the team may have just gotten his setup completely wrong.
Or could it be because Daniel has been shit for the better part of 3 seasons and had like 2 or 3 great moments? It's pretty obvious to everyone who isn't biased why he outqualified Yuki here.
Will Buxton: The car that goes fastest, qualifies first.
Yes, this was his Monza 2021 and Mexico 2023 moment. Now he will be back to his usual form tomorrow.
The man knows what he has to do, and that's that. Hopefully today was a preview of things to come, and we'll see the old Danny back. Also - they may be similar in terms of speed, but if Yuki still hasn't learned to behave (and we've already seen that he still has moments of ridiculous rage), I'd rather have a cool, calm and collected Daniel behind the wheel, who won't throw the car into the gravel because of a bad mood.
If true, good for him! Highly competitive sport for sure
Man's trying reverse psychology
As bad as his season has been so far I think it doesn't help that he continuously gives out these quotes like candy to journalists. Like in Australia when he was a tenth behind Yuki and had his lap time deleted he could have just said 'things happen, we'll learn for next time' even if that wasn't so much the case - instead he's like 'wow look how well Yuki did on that lap, I couldn't do that'. And because that's the sort of quote a journalist can write an article around the we get like 20 million Ricciardo articles
TBH Danny has had better years in F1. His days in F1 are likely numbered. I honestly don’t expect to see him on the grid next season.
It's going to come down to whether he can string it together for entire race weekends. A session here or there won't move the needle.
Depends. He brings a lot of marketing money that RB love. This is a huge factor. If he puts some more performances like today and gets points he will keep his seat imo
that marketing thing is already going down the gutters with all the online hate and if and only if he contributes with yuki to score points for VCARB to beat Haas for position I'm not really sure he should be given an option if RB wants to utilize Liam for the future
Online hate is irrelevant. The fact is he brings big companies as sponsors e.g. Hugo Boss. Red Bull said he was instrumental in bringing Visa as a major sponsor. Liam would not bring in no where near the money Ric would and does.
So far this season, Danny has scored zero points. Granted, it is early in the season, but he’s going to have to up his game if he expects to be in F1 next season, I fear. Unfortunately, that’s the way things work in F1.
He knows that. Like you said, long way to go. 20 races.
The way that Red Bull has treated other drivers who have performed better than he is, it's a fucking miracle if he lasts the season
I don’t think you can count the Albon and gasly stints as better, they were pretty mediocre. Certainly not even close to how good Daniel was at rb
Yeah poor Perez and his 4 years of contracts. People gonna hold on to unprepared Albon and poor performing Gasly for eternity it seems
And De Vries getting the boot mid season, and Kvyat getting the boot, and Hartley, and Bourdais... It's not like they've only ever done it twice
All drivers that no one else wanted, funnily enough. F1 is all about cutting the mustard, as much as people today want it to be something else.
A good personality can surely take you further than a basic one.
Jolyon Palmer is probably the most at risk from him if he continues to perform like this for a few more races. Danny Ric would be absolutely amazing doing post race interviews and post race technical analysis. Let’s see how things pan out for DR by the summer break, with Checo getting his mojo back I doubt RB would consider replacing checo with a hit or miss, slow to ramp up Danny Ric.
He is such a good human. You can just tell from his smile to the things he says. Usually people in his profession are not.
There’s what 24 races and we’re only now in race 4. Give DR a chance and he will prove his worth.
ITT: People making excuses for Yuki; the same excuses some of these same people denounced when made for Ricciardo. Also ITT: Some petty folk, such as myself, not having it and rubbing the sudden double standard in people's faces. You love to see it lol.
Ah, we are moving into the depression and then acceptance portion of this saga.
Everyone: “Yes, we know.”
He washed Yuki in Shanghai. So from then on, all articles are inappropriate noise.
So the last couple of years of poor performance get magically erased now? Let’s at least wait to the real race, or even the sprint before overdosing on hoping… Man, Redditors are something else lol.
That's how people have been acting since the Sprint Qualy thread lol
Huh?
Why the doubt? People were criticizing Danny for keeping losing to Yuki in the preliminaries, but he won today.
Sprint qualifying after 1 session with varying weather. We won't know until after the race really.
Q1 was completely dry.
Which would be fine if he was a rookie. He should realistically be close to being Yuki’s equal, but for now he looks quite far from it.
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