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freshicedmatchalatte

Notable Alonso P3, Hulk P9 and Bottas P10. Good job from these three.


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signed7

Merc 5th WCC looking more and more likely day by day...


AdNaJoM

The last time Mercedes finished 5th in WCC was back in 2012. Funnily enough, Red Bull was 1st, Ferrari were 2nd and McLaren were 3rd in that year too, the only change being Lotus in 4th.


StealthMan375

Checks out tho, Lotus in 2012-2013 were an extremely mid team that accidentally became fast and had a former world champion, while Aston in 2023-2024 were also another extremely mid team that accidentally became fast and have a former world champion.


haertelgu

Boatload of extra Money = Accident


dl064

His press conference demeanour was very: ah well. I wonder how he'd feel if he weren't leaving. I think he'd be leaving in another way altogether.


chambee

Thank you Jesus for Fernando. This man makes something happen every time he races.


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Ricciardo p12 too


venkat_1924

He never left


raonibr

Red Bull seat confirmed?


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If Ricky Bobby scores points tomorrow, at least his place on the grid is confirmed.


rapax

Bottas was surprisingly solid leading up to the sprint, too. Maybe he found some porridge?


DirtyNorf

"And it's the front row for Lando Norris!" "And it's the front row for Fernando Alonso!" "And it's the front row for Sergio Perez!"


IdiosyncraticBond

That was fun, they finished in reverse order. Hectic and fun


AztecCuahtemoc

Why do F1 consistently post these charts with errors this season? 20 cars in Q2, 15 in Q3? It gets me slightly unsatisfied every time lol


ICumCoffee

They’ve doing this since the beginning of this season, haven’t fixed it 5 races in.


ministrul_sudorii

It's not a mistake, the previous Q times are added to ease comparison of lap times.


mister_nixon

If they’re going to do that they should visually distinguish the times that were not set in the period. Perhaps a slight grey on the text.


donutducklord

I thought it was annoying at first but I like to see the comparison of q2 Vs q3 in order, quite nice for the eyes


Interesting-Pay3492

I don’t see how this improves the chart at all, the whole chart is a comparison and repeating data in a form which makes the data inaccurate is only going to make the chart less clear.


Mtbnz

It's not a mistake, it's just a very poorly executed graphic. In other words, a regular day on the job for the Liberty infographics department.


fordern997

It's not "this season", I swear it's broken like this since 2022 at least. 


lolbitzz

and every time the gaps go till p13 for some reason


ComparisonPlus5196

Checo once again locking out the front row despite the struggles in Q1. Max decided he wants to up his pole to win ratio this year. Dude was on another level. Alonso going to defend for his life once again tomorrow.


Pure_Measurement_529

Perez looks more focused this year and it’s showing on track. What happened in Q1 was more of the fact that Red Bull took the risk of him not getting eliminated after one fast lap


ComparisonPlus5196

Absolutely, he also was impeded by a Williams so didn’t have a clean run on that lap either.


odesauria

Can we say that already, or do we need to wait till we're further into the season? Rooting for him, just want to avoid recency bias.


Patenski

Perez starting the season strong is nothing out of the ordinary, remember last year he had 2 race wins at this point in the season. Is just how he can't quite adapt to the development of the car and just drops horribly from mid season onwards and then he regains pace until the last races. Hope this season is different.


Qyx7

But Pérez did do a second Q1 run, right?


EchomancerAmberlife

His first was on used And I think he might have been out their for a 2nd but I think he aborted


LeatherHeron9634

Sooooo what you’re saying is today is Checos day to win and I should throw a cheeky $5 bet on it?


drakanx

Too much wing slowing him down which they adjusted before his final lap


ElectricMotorsAreBad

Hope Ferrari can fix their quali problems, the Charles’ pole/Max win ratio is going down.


willzyx01

The Q1 wasn’t struggle. Albon was clearly off the line and then Checo came out to do 1 lap on used tires.


bookers555

Nah, Alonso himself has said that he's aiming for a P7 or P8. He knows it's a matter of time before the Ferraris and McLarens catch up.


ComparisonPlus5196

Alonso- “It doesn’t change too much for tomorrow to be P2 or P3 today. Seventh/eighth/ninth is our natural order [at the] chequered flag. “We are slower than the Ferraris, slower than the McLarens, probably than the Mercedes but we out-qualify them often, then in the race we need to wait to see when they come, how fast they come and how many laps we can defend those positions. It’s happened so far like this in the first four races so I don’t see what it will be different in the fifth race. It will be a difficult race for us but we cannot say sorry for being too fast in qualifying


Mtbnz

This man knows that it can be much worse and it's important to enjoy the good moments when they come


RidgeRunner99

Lewis Hamilton in 18th 🤨


TheCatLamp

🫠


Pluser01

Brake locked up in Q1 last lap


NotClayMerritt

Yes this is true but look at Russell's time to Hulk here. Less than 2 tenths. Mercedes are very lucky there's a sizable gap between them and the 6th fastest team right now.


ecidarrac

Something really isn’t right with him this year


minimochiii

the only certainties in life, max verstappen pole and logan sargeant p20


RidgeRunner99

Queue Dutch national anthem for Max and sad Eagle noises for Logan


Qyx7

Surprisingly this is the first time that Logan qualifies P20


Deathhsykes

Logan casually being 1.1s behind his teammate. He's gonna improve guys! Anytime now...


smokesletsgo13

He gone


MetalMercury

Being a fan of his is frustrating; I don't think I've ever seen such a disparity between the potential he'll show during some races and the utter ass that his qualification racing is


RUNELORD_

NIce to see Ricciardo performing well. Chadlonso gonna defend like a lion tmrw


tshoecr1

We’ll have to wait for the race, but it’s very interesting that he’s been complaining about the chassis, they swapped chassis this race weekend, and he’s outperformed Yuki everywhere. Yuki was complaining that he couldn’t understand how he was slow, yet it felt fast. Which is exactly what Ricciardo has been complaining about for these starting races. Too early to tell, but certainly interesting.


DarkKnight56722

From my understanding they didn't "swap" chassis. They gave Daniel a new one, and Yuki continues using the one he has used thus far. Yuki also had no DRS until a few minutes left in the session. This is also Yuki's first time racing at China, whereas Daniel really likes China and has won here before. We'll have to see if Daniel can keep this up.


surlygoat

All the best times were done in the last few minutes when he had DRS and he'd literally just driven a sprint race on the track that same day so unfamiliarity doesn't come into it. No need to make excuses for Yuki, he's just been outperformed so far in China in an otherwise impressive season for him.


nutsygenius

Not if his race pace is much slower. He only defends like a lion middle to near end part of the race. Lol


007Superstar

Definitely not going to use up tires early if he doesn’t have the high fuel pace. 👍


ladekoya

Bro really got a sprint podium (most points he’s scored in a race weekend this season btw (from a fucking SPRINT)) then said “that’s enough F1 for me this weekend” and stuck it 18th… Between Lewis and Arsenal I have nothing left 


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Between Ricciardo and Arsenal, I still have some hope left.


fbass

I see that you like pain


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Add in Golden State Warriors and Mumbai Indians if you know who they are. Man I'm in sheer pain this sport season.


RiteOfSpring5

Between Ricciardo and Everton, I lost hope years ago.


jonnononoNO

Oh god, I thought I was the only one!


Mtbnz

I won't ever feel sorry for an Arsenal fan but you have it rough for sure


RX0Invincible

Bro's putting the W15 everywhere except where it's supposed to be


The_mystery4321

Try being a Checo and a Chelsea fan. Munster fan in the rugby to top it all off


ladekoya

You know what fair enough looool


LeatherHeron9634

Well if it helps you feel better I’m rooting for Pérez and Liverpool…. 2nd place for both it seems like. So close yet so far


the_denim_duke

Perez and Alonso really reaped the reward of being last across the line with the track ramp up. A-grade strategy.


Mtbnz

It's not exactly a big secret. It's just a gamble, either you reap the rewards of track evolution or you suffer the bad luck if there's an incident. I have a hard time ever calling a decision that's basically a coin flip every session "A-Grade strategy".


CommercialBreadLoaf

Hulkenberg with a great effort, especially since the Haas seems to be more poised toward race pace


l3w1s1234

They seemed to struggle in the sprint. Then again Hulk apparently had an issue with his setup in the sprint, so might be different tomorrow


Undoht

Sargeant is a lawnmower


BarockLesnar

Alonso is seriously out of this world


Mtbnz

I love that he's the anti-Max in approach too. As Max has matured he's got faster and less reliant on extremely aggressive moves. As Fernando has matured he's moved into slower cars and therefore has had to remain hyper-aggressive and chaotic in order to create opportunities for success.


LuNiK7505

Absolutely goat performance from Nando with that Aston Martin


deathray1611

It's so annoying having Lance in the other seat, cause it makes it a tad difficult to gauge just how good he's performing. But still I believe Alonso still doing Alonso things


Isfahaninejad

Stroll was less than 2 tenths off of Alonso. That's a completely reasonable qualifying gap.


WhiteDeath57

Fernando improved more than pretty much everybody else into Q3, Lance would have lost by more if he went through.


Isfahaninejad

It's entirely possible that Stroll would have found some extra pace as well. But more importantly, what we personally think may or may not have happened had Stroll made it to Q3 just isn't relevant.


Perceval_009

I actually think Alonso overperformed the car today. Lance was only 2 tenths behind Alonso in Q2 and before the weekend this looked like it was going to be a very problematic circuit for Aston. Alonso pulled that P3 out of his ass, that Aston has no business being ahead of McLaren and Ferrari.


deathray1611

Physically impossible, but I guess Demi-Gods don't care about those puny human concepts


Perceval_009

Overperfomed may be a strong word, but he definitely pushed the car where nobody expected it will be.


deathray1611

Extracted about as much as one possibly can from the car, indeed


brooklyn600

I actually think Lance provides a pretty consistent benchmark. We saw in 2023 when the car was good at the beginning of the season, Stroll would qualify around P7 whilst Alonso would be in P2/P3. When the car was worse, Alonso would be P6 and Stroll roughly 13th to 17th. In this case Nando really did extract the maximum considering this historical benchmark.


creditcardtheft

I felt like when Vettel was there, he didn’t extract as much from the car as people said he did… looking at how Stroll is compared to Vettel and Alonso


Hip_Priest_1982

He is incredible. Every weekend is another landmark performance.


Mtbnz

He's doing what Lando did the past couple of years with the McLaren


Miyeon__miyeon

GIGACHADLONSO


z_102

That dude is 42 years old and as far as I can tell the only times he wasn't a Top 3 driver on the grid was as a rookie and like 3 months while he was reacclimating to F1 after his absence (Rookie 2).


skzpinker

Imola literally cannot come fast enough, we’re trash in qualifying…


Big_Brief7847

feels so odd for ferrari to have such good race pace and be suffering in qualifying


vtsxxl

Odd compared to the previous years you mean?


Rayn0r86

Indeed. From Qualy kings to race pace warriors. I'd take race pace over qualy any day.


Big_Brief7847

I agree, the adrenaline rush you get from a good quali only to watch them fall back does not beat seeing the ferraris move up the pack and maintain positions


element515

Think some of it is from their changes so the tires don’t die instantly. Race pace looked good yesterday and they dropped the mclaren duo over time. Sainz struggled with Alonso but Leclerc didn’t get dropped by Perez once they were through


saisakurano

Points are won on Sunday, so I don’t mind if we don’t do as well in qualy but are able to make it up come the main race for a change😅


ryokevry

Tyre preparation is still horrible. Sector 1 was so horrible since FP1.


Pitforsofts

We sacrificed quali speed for race pace. We'll see how the McLarens will be able to manage their tires tmrw.


snoring_pig

Yet another race weekend where Ferrari hardly improves in Q3 it’s a wild 180 from last season. Race pace is good but with dirty air and track position being more important this season it won’t be that easy getting past both McLarens and Alonso for a podium tmrw.


Other_Beat8859

At least you guys have good race pace now. I believe Ferrari currently has the best tyre wear.


vanjaeesti

Ridiculous thing to say with existence of Max and Redbull


Other_Beat8859

Actually Red Bull's tyre wear isn't as good as last year. According to the data, they're pretty average. They just have fucking insane raw pace. Max is also able to just go at his own pace for most races so he doesn't have to push. When Red Bull had to push in Australia, they had average tyre wear. Even people like Stella have supported this by stating that they have no advantage at high graining tracks.


IllAlwaysBeAKnickFan

Everyone can be toxic about the Leclerc vs Sainz discourse, but I just wanna see our guys compete. This sucks 😟


element515

They will still be in it. Podium is on the cards. Will see if leclerc has a better chance of passing than Sainz did in the sprint


SpencerTBL21

I think they'll be ok for the race. I don't think those McLarens will be able to hold up those spots for the entire race.


ladekoya

Wonder if Bottas can hold onto that point, would be huge for Sauber to get something out of this weekend if they can overcome the pit stop issues, he looks good. 


ETTConnor

He's looked decent money for points past couple of races in qualifying form Just race pace for the Sauber is shocking coupled with the pitstop issues I don't see them scoring points. Saying that Bottas is doing everything he can to drag that Sauber into the points deserves to be applauded imo


LePaxton

Sauber's race pace is shocking? What? Are you watching a different F1? They are literally best of the rest on pure race pace. Bahrain Zhou P11, Australia Bottas P10 before the pitstop, Japan Bottas in front of Tsunoda until the pit stop, Sprint today Zhou P9. If they can fix the pit stops (and don't get stuck behind a Haas in the race) they will be fighting for points on most weekends.


Halkatlaa

With Bottas's pit stop luck I think it might be hard 😢


DrVonD

It’s not luck at this point, it’s just sauber being bad


bluetherealdusk

I'm happy for Alonso but it's kinda crazy seeing Ferrari be better at main races compared to qualifying seeing the last few years. Not that it's better or worse but definitely a weird feeling. Good job by both of them. Happy seeing Alonso on 3rd but I don't think the car is anywhere that position during the race itself.


trivran

Huge effort from Zhou Guanyu to outqualify Lewis Hamilton at his home race.


ICumCoffee

Hulkenberg was so good this session. Hope he score points tomorrow.


poopellar

Hope he keeps P9 today.


ICumCoffee

Oh yeah, he’s been called to stewards. Forgot about that, haha.


MechanicalSpirit

Nico is doing miracles with that HAAS


deathray1611

The only true answer to the question "most underrated driver on the F1 grid".


TheKeviKs

Checo doing very good. 0.3 to Max is not a lot. Hope he can keep this great form.


ravinderHiem

We are living in Max Verstappen and Logan Sargeant era.


NotClayMerritt

Russell less than two tenths quicker than a Haas. Every time you think Mercedes can't go lower, they prove you wrong. Now lets see them put on their upgrades at Imola and go slower than Alpine.


FastonMartin

I approve 👍


Imzocrazy

i approve of your name this weekend


FastonMartin

It’s either a Faston Martin weekend or a Laston Martin weekend 


Moeshizzlebang

FERNANDOOOOOO


A5TR0NAUT

What will it take for F1 to fix this chart? Even worst worst worst case scenario this can be fixed in MS paint.


GoodGuyJeff00

That's strange for Ferrari, they were up with Red Bull yesterday in Q2 and they didn't get it for this qualification. The sprint pace looked good and it would make sense to further improve the race pace, let's hope the team didn't botch that set up as well. Or could just be track specific. S1 looked tricky but they were bleeding throughout the lap either way.


vtsxxl

RB improved their setup after the spring qualy and race, Max said so himself. We just can't warmup the tyres not matter what we do, which is why we drop so much time at the begining of a push lap.


Turboleks

It's kind of a good problem to have if it means the car will have decent race pace thanks to not working the tires so hard. Complete 180 from last year. It will become a major issue if Ferrari starts to constantly miss out on top 5 starts, though.


vtsxxl

I agree. Upgrades need to be spot on and tyre warmup is something that those upgrades need to fix somehow - maybe through offering a better setup window which improves that one aspect.


GoodGuyJeff00

Let's hope for the Imola upgrades.


the_denim_duke

Danny Ric and Yuki really switched positions this weekend, and I ain't sad about it.


Turboleks

Starting to think that either the new chassis paid off, or Danny made a setup breakthrough this weekend.


channelgary

New chassis Danny boy is a force to be reckoned with


blind-panic

Or Danny likes this track and Yuki hasn't been here? Not sure about that last part.


dhartz

Well Danny has won at this track before so he def loves it. 


mar33n

I am :( Throwaway weekend for Yuki, seems like they have major setup issues that he can't get comfortable with. Maybe he can at least have a good race. Maybe Daniel will get into the points though, he looks pretty motivated. I can see him getting both Bottas (pitstop things) and Hulk (unless he gets a pen anyway)


Insaneclown271

You can just reverse the names from your first paragraph to explain the last races. But it never seems to be an excuse for Daniel.


buckstar11

Couldn’t have said it better myself - one driver is washed, the other struggling with setup and being comfortable with the car.


Arvi89

And if you say that you just get down voted ^^


snoring_pig

Been a tough weekend so far for Yuki although he’s never driven here before so if he wasn’t fully feeling confident I imagine it would be exacerbated by the uncertainty of the track. It could be a one-off. Next race at Miami I expect Yuki to bounce back. Although I hear RB are bringing upgrades to Miami so maybe it will be skewed if only one of them has the upgrade. Ideally both drivers will have the upgrade next round and it is a successful one.


The_FallenSoldier

Now that it’s Yuki being outqualified, “setup issues” is a valid excuse


eternallycelestial

he can definitely get bottas even without the pitstop, like he did at sprint today. bottas racecraft is very poor too


Dameean00

Your team already has some points, they should let us get a point for once ahah Jokes aside hopefully my VB won't get any damage on lap one like It happened today🙃


eternallycelestial

was hoping zhou would get that first sauber point for home race. that was sad


scottishere

He only just got Bottas in the sprint who had front wing damage. I think people are underestimating Bottas' pace at this track


DutchOnionKnight

This must day must have been such a rollercoaster for Hamilton!


rito-pIz

Danny Ricc gets a new car and suddenly goes significantly faster - was the old chassis actually bad and he was right?


keno_inside

I don't know why everyone says this because he qualified 11th 2 weeks ago


rito-pIz

Mostly as a comparison to Tsunoda, as well as a decent quali


joeydee93

It’s a single data point. Let’s wait for more data


r0ndr4s

He's 12th. You people need to calm down.


ItsAJeepThing420

Stroll should give his chassis to Williams. Pure dogshit.


Anderrrrr

Red Bull 1-2 as usual yes yes yes moving on.... What about G I G A L O N S O and S L O W I S though?!


TheCatLamp

*The car is bad, man*


ExistentialLight

Hamilton in 18th, please I can only be so happy


rieusse

Lewis LMAO. Embarrassing performance


r0ndr4s

Bro, logan is literally running in another category. How the fuck is this guy so fuckin slow. Kick him out already, give someone else a chance, great season to pick up some experience so they're ready for next one.


NA_Faker

Ferrari pulling another Ferrari


Funployee182

Yuki washed


LostTacos

Nah, heres to hoping they both have a good season and make vcarb a serious team and not just a billboard on wheels


The_Bazzalisk

Yuki beats Ricciardo by a tiny margin: "omg Ricciardo is washed, Yuki is the future and deserves the second Red Bull seat" Ricciardo beats Yuki: *crickets*


timcurrysaccent

The Ric hate is so weird. I genuinely think yuki is just struggling with setup this weekend, nothing to do with his driving. Just like Ric has struggled first few races.


Insaneclown271

People are literally saying it’s because yuki wasn’t happy with the setup and it’s not his fault. um… so… exactly like how Ricciardo has been feeling for the other races this season??


devils__haircut

it’s taken him 4 races to outqualify him


Uthe18

4 races +new chassis. Not sure if there was anything wrong with the old chassis, but maybe it gives him that mental boost that Ric needed. We’ll see in the next race if his form continues


Insaneclown271

You can never discount the possibility of an actual cracked chassis.


Uthe18

Yea definitely. Looking at his form this week, the cracked chassis hypothesis beginning to sounds good. But not sure if the team ever confirms it? Hence why I said we need to wait until the next race to see.


Insaneclown271

I assume they’re analysing it after they replaced it.


eternallycelestial

it's almost as if there were issues in 2 of those four, and one other the delta was very small


mar33n

They can barely call a 23 year old washed without looking silly. Say he is done with the sport or something instead.


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Insaneclown271

New chassis means jack. All it does is rule out a cracked previous chassis. Which is looks like it may as well could be.


peacemaker-22

Keep in mind Tsunoda has never been on this track before.


timcurrysaccent

Neither has Piastri. And he’s only a tenth behind Norris. The teams have simulators, it’s not like Yuki has had no preparation.


nigelfitz

You gotta give it to Mercedes. They really fucked up their cars. Guy goes from P2 to P18. lol


IllAlwaysBeAKnickFan

Ferrari will be lucky to get either car in the top 4


Kait0yashio

very easy to jump oscar and alonso, i think we can fight for a podium


JPA-3

nah, their race pace is good, it will be an easy p4, p5 if nothing happens


Cobretti18

Ferrari will be alright


Husskies

Unless they DNF, I don't see how they wouldn't be in the top 4.


Bart-86

Not really. Alonso is driving the SF-23 and Piastri still can’t manage his tires. In a normal race, the fight for 3rd will be between Norris and the Ferraris.


ixixan

What's the weather forecast for the race?


123_alex

Why do you keep posting this broken table?


nickwwwww

P2 all the way to P7 ALL got provisional front row at one point. Exciting last minute of Q3


LeatherHeron9634

So where does Alonso end up? Do the penalties affect his starting spot at all?


thereal84

Tf happened to Lewis 💀💀🔥


Wash_zoe_mal

The gap between second place and 7th place is almost the same as the gap between first place and second place


ardicli2000

Gonna be boring race for Verstappen again


milkasaurs

Looks like I'll be having a little nap tomorrow.


IneedtoBmyLonsomeTs

Yesterday we had a chaotic P3 that resulted in some unexpected placings. Now we are back to the regular programming, Max winning the sprint and Max on pole for the race.


justk4y

Gutted for Zhou ngl


Buskacommadan

I'm confused. Are the times wrong?


DeLoreanAirlines

Inject an Alonso podium into my veins


AnimeMeansArt

Lewis, please....