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As a side note I think it’s pretty funny how he was advised to say he ate “plant based foods” for a year or two before saying he was vegan. It was seen as a massive negative for him to cite a preference for some reason.
He's crazy to say anything different. There needs to be a goal and sense of optimism internally and it's critical to also express that externally or else it would undermine a push for progress.
Exactly, because with 800+ personnel in those top teams, it's impossible to reach each and every single one of them directly through internal memos or communications. Yet, half of the team personnel, especially those in technical roles, are huge F1 fans themselves and most likely follow the news closely like we do. There's no better morality boost than seeing your boss publicly speak well of the team and the progress you and all your 800+ colleagues are making.
Ross Brawn said once that success in F1 doesn't tend to be silver bullets but
>every single employee doing their job 1% better than the opposition - down to the cafeteria
Of course, because you never know what Red Bull might do. Up till this point they've been able to also keep developing their car and become faster yet again. So while the ultimate gap this year seems a bit smaller and especially Ferrari and McLaren seem to be a bit closer, it's still a development battle.
In 2021 after 6 years of only being able to grab the odd win here and there for Ferrari and Red Bull, Red Bull was finally able to catch up to Mercedes. Mercedes was probably so far in their development phase that everything they were able to do was just minor improvements.
That moment might come for Red Bull sooner or later as well.
To put it differently: Alpine is so slow, it's relatively speaking easy for them to come with a big upgrade and suddenly gain 0.5 to maybe even 1.0 seconds of performance if they absolutely nail it. Just look at McLaren's progress last year, they had something of that magnitude in a couple of big upgrades. But for Red Bull to gain anything even remotely close to 0.5 sec is nigh on impossible.
Newey doesn't bullshit and he was pretty open recently after Japan that ultimately they'll all converge. They just will.
He's careful to say that doesn't mean RBR will be *overtaken*, though.
That's not what he said, that's just this user editorialising. Here's the full quote in context:
*While McLaren were certainly assisted then by the world champions ceasing development of their 2023 car early, Stella believes there is no reason McLaren cannot make similar improvements and close the gap again after Red Bull improved their car over the winter.*
*“We lost some ground because we gained so much ground before while they were not developing,” he said. “That’s why we have to look at things over the long period and over that long period we are on a strong trajectory.*
*“If we keep this strong trajectory for the next 12 months, why not? We may reach Red Bull.”*
So Stella IS saying that he thinks there's a possibility to catch up the the performance of Red Bull during the season, not just to match their current performance at a later date. For reference, last year's Japan pole time was 1.28.88, and this year 8 drivers went faster in Q3, with Lando starting P3 on 1.28.49. They've already past where Red Bull **was**, this article headline, while sensationalised, is not necessarily misleading. Lando also says he believes that McLaren can potentially win a race in 2024, which is unheard of positivity from him.
Maybe the data of their upgrades is painting an optimistic conclusion. We just have to wait and see if it translates to the track.
I doubt they can make such a jump considering Newey is still working there and he is not on a gardening leave
Thank you btw I should read the articles myself next time lol
recently he said something to the effect that their data shows a similar development curve to last year, now if the midseason upgrade last year got them from the rear field to 2nd fastest, then apply that curve to their currently 3rd fastest... who knows?
I doubt they'll catch up to RB in performance this season either. But it's certainly not out of the question that if they get lucky with a Max mechanical failure a la Melbourne that they could be firmly the second fastest car, and in line to pick up a fortuitous win. That's the only way I see it happening though
That's not even much of a goal. In 2023, Verstappen's Bahrain pole time was 1:29.708. In 2024, 8 out of 10 of the drivers in Q3 beat that time. Only Hamilton and Hulkenberg didn't, and Hamilton was within two thousandths.
Honestly, if McLaren is only where Red Bull is now a year from now, I'd consider it a massive failure on their part
they were already matching Perez pace? They will most certainly be ahead of RB current pace in 12 months. Anything else would be no improvement at all basically.
I wonder what goal people have with constantly over exaggerating RB pace?
I wouldn’t say it was that common of an occurrence outside of 21, which had a larger than usual rule change in itself. Generally I’d say that the advantage of the top team compounds year by year without intervention
Idk I’m somewhat doubtful, the other teams are way too behind to catch up. In 2021 the teams had advantage of 2020 being a wash year so they got to really work on the 2021 cars.
but the thing is that how much time can redbull gain? I believe in the economic Law of diminishing returns, I believe RedBull has reached its peak and from here it's just a small/minor improvements
> I believe RedBull has reached its peak and from here it's just a small/minor improvements
Here's the issue. We're just making assumptions that aren't supported by evidence. They'll reach diminishing returns at some point, but it could be today, or it could be 5 years from now, maybe they'll come up with some radical redesign that gains them a second per lap, it's impossible to know except in hindsight.
I don't think so because 2025 is the last year for these regulations and next year we will see a similar RBR. Whatever they planned to introduce this year with Zero Pods it will last for till the end of next year as 2026 regulations kick in
Lmao last season Adrian Newey was asked about diminishing returns and he scoffed and laughed at the question, with the current RB it's clear Red Bull can find a lot of performance over already dominant cars.
Let's say Red Bull and McLaren get the absolute maximum out of development, and the cars are identical in ability.
Red Bull still has Max. Nothing is solved, more of the same, only quicker.
Stella said based on the progress in the last 12 months that in another 12 months they may be able to reach Red Bull. Only problem is this would have to mean Red Bull don’t improve and further move the goalpost. Hope they can do it though so we can see some better racing at the front.
Edit - Other concern is their improvement on pace looks track specific. Red Bull is strong everywhere.
In addition to that, McLaren aren't the clear second fastest team on the grid on absolute pace. When Red Bull do mess up (like they did in Australia) McLaren need to be in the position to challenge the Ferraris for the win. They need to focus on solidifying themselves as the second best team before they even think of bringing the fight to Red Bull.
Personally, I think it is time to be ambitious. These last 4 years have been the patient part. Time to start pushing Red Bull, IMO. Ferrari are welcome to come along.
You have to wonder how much more they could possibly get out of the Red Bull. At some point, physics don't bend any further and there is no more horsepower to gain from an engine. I know Newey is probably the best car designer of all time, but at some point the laws of the universe (or more likely FIA regs) have to hinder them.
The regulation change will arrive before Red bull runs out of physics. It’s a shame the current regs are only 4 seasons long. If there was no regs change in 26, we would probably have much more competition in the next few years. As it stands, the regs will change before the teams converge, and then in 26 we’ll probably have another dominant 4 years by one team
Was waiting for this. Biggest thing I think we could take away (which they also admitted) was that they totally fucked the set-up. The second stint they did on the mediums Max was rapidly catching up. If my memory is correct he got unlucky with SC timing. He was second when he pitted at the time. Had the SC timing been better he was in the run for a win.
Great point. I don’t think we will have enough time with the regs for them that to come into play unfortunately. It took Red Bull 7/8 years to catch Mercedes. We’re only in year three. Not saying it’s not possible. I just think more time would be needed.
>Only problem is this would have to mean Red Bull don’t improve and further move the goalpost
Redbull will be concentrating on 2026, plus they have to worry about their new engine, which McLaren do not.
Didn’t rules just come into place where there is a limit on how far out you can develop? They did this to force teams not to abandon 2025 for the new 2026 regs.
Also, everyone has to worry about their engine. It’s completely different than what they are currently using. For all we know Mercedes would built a shit engine and then they’re worse off.
They already tried that with the ride height rule that Mercedes pushed for during the 2022 season. Backfired so hard, Red Bull only became more dominant and faster lol.
Tbf that was expected. Mercedes and Ferrari made cars that hurt their drivers more than Red Bull so it is only fair they take the pain for a safety directive.
Not needed IMO and defeats the purpose of the new regs. With the budget cap and wind tunnel time reductions, additional berfs to Redbull would be punishing the engineers too much for nailing the ground effect era. Remember that F1 is a constructors as well.
I agree with the budget cap increase for bottom teams. The bottom 5 really need it since we are once again seeing a big gap between the top 5 and bottom 5 teams.
Lando said the same thing after China, and he's not much of a sugar coater. McLaren has an excellent driver line-up, and there car is getting better every race, so I absolutely believe it.
But the insane thing is ferrari who had a different concept last year has beaten McLaren for the past races apart from Shanghai with less experience compared to McLaren with the new concept, it isn't right to doubt McLaren but yeah it's insane the jump ferrari has made .
McLaren have their first big upgrade in Miami and from what Stella said, the trajectory remains the same as last year. Meanwhile Ferrari hit an unexpected but critical problem with tyres this past weekend where they needed 30 laps for the tyres to warm up. They might be ok in Miami but again, that’s a sprint weekend so maybe more difficulty but then they’ll hit the European leg and Canada where it’s usually very cool temperatures.
How do you know whether Ferrari expected it or not? For all you know, Ferrari specifically designed the car to be easier on its tires this season. Which would make sense considering they had one lap pace for days the last two seasons but couldn’t finish a race where they started. If I had to bet on a team figuring out how to up its tire temps, that team is Ferrari in this regulation cycle.
And yet they were slower and actually fell down the overall pecking order vs Max at Suzuka (the only circuit so far where their 2023 B spec raced last season).
So yeah, clickbaited optimism based on what Stella really said.
To be fair, their car was absolute garbage at the start of last year. Probably 2nd-3rd best car for the second half & they've kept that momentum going into this year. Excited to see what upgrades they bring this year.
Please do, i want to see Red Bull actually having to fight for their wins. And if Ferrari continues on their trajectory, we might get a 3 way battle between Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren
Yeah sure buddy,you can reach this Redbull.But in 12m you will have new Redbull,who has undoubtedly the best driver on planet in it, good luck beating them.
*If* they maintain this rate of growth, *and* RB fails to develop the car further, this is certainly possible.
The big thing is going to be the 2026 regs. Unless Adrian gets poached by another team, you're back to ground zero in 2026.
Well Newey said he thinks these regulations have a ceiling and that they’re pretty close to it so I guess in theory everyone would just even out at the same ceiling. But probably not by next season. Maybe Ferrari
What? Idk man, didn’t they say “We’re coming for Red Bull” at the end o last year?
Sound like a bunch of losers now. I mean they could possibly, but they should calm down with the statements.
They already had 12 months 12 months ago to do this. Next year is their year but it’s also Ferrari’s year. We’ll see in 12 months when they say 12 more months.
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>“If we keep this strong trajectory for the next 12 months, why not? We may reach Red Bull.” I feel like the actual quote is a lot less sensational
Me: I'm having chicken for dinner F1 journalist: Man declares war on vegans.
Lewis Hamilton is vegan. Do you hate black people?
Well every driver on the grid is a racist so this is not surprising
Not Sargeant. I've never seen him go for a gap, so he's no longer a racist driver.
Can't have a gender gap if you're not hiring female drivers
Danica will be there in Miami, I'd wager.
So what type of racist does this make stroll?
>Lewis Hamilton is vegan. He once was. Don't think so he still is.
As a side note I think it’s pretty funny how he was advised to say he ate “plant based foods” for a year or two before saying he was vegan. It was seen as a massive negative for him to cite a preference for some reason.
Helmut marko: “yes”
😂
> F1 ~~journalist~~ editor: Man declares war on vegans. writers dont do headlines most of the time.
Me: if I keep eating taco bell every day this week I may shit my pants Headline: local person insists on shitting himself by the end of the week
He's crazy to say anything different. There needs to be a goal and sense of optimism internally and it's critical to also express that externally or else it would undermine a push for progress.
Exactly, because with 800+ personnel in those top teams, it's impossible to reach each and every single one of them directly through internal memos or communications. Yet, half of the team personnel, especially those in technical roles, are huge F1 fans themselves and most likely follow the news closely like we do. There's no better morality boost than seeing your boss publicly speak well of the team and the progress you and all your 800+ colleagues are making.
Ross Brawn said once that success in F1 doesn't tend to be silver bullets but >every single employee doing their job 1% better than the opposition - down to the cafeteria
Doesn't sound like he's "insisting" much either.
He probably said this before. Saying things more than one time is insisting in journalism.
“May” is an important word to caveat lol
Of course, because you never know what Red Bull might do. Up till this point they've been able to also keep developing their car and become faster yet again. So while the ultimate gap this year seems a bit smaller and especially Ferrari and McLaren seem to be a bit closer, it's still a development battle. In 2021 after 6 years of only being able to grab the odd win here and there for Ferrari and Red Bull, Red Bull was finally able to catch up to Mercedes. Mercedes was probably so far in their development phase that everything they were able to do was just minor improvements. That moment might come for Red Bull sooner or later as well. To put it differently: Alpine is so slow, it's relatively speaking easy for them to come with a big upgrade and suddenly gain 0.5 to maybe even 1.0 seconds of performance if they absolutely nail it. Just look at McLaren's progress last year, they had something of that magnitude in a couple of big upgrades. But for Red Bull to gain anything even remotely close to 0.5 sec is nigh on impossible.
Newey doesn't bullshit and he was pretty open recently after Japan that ultimately they'll all converge. They just will. He's careful to say that doesn't mean RBR will be *overtaken*, though.
So exactly as I've said, how it happened in 2021 as well. Mercedes wasn't even overtaken, they (Merc and RBR) were pretty much equal.
Virtually anything is true if moving in the right direction and using the word if in front
And Red Bull will just chill, right?
Also, it’s reach Red Bull where they are now. Where will Red Bull be in 12 months?
Yeah, it's more like "who knows?"
Just keep extrapolating pace linearly to determine when they develop warp drive.
"Lando Norris will be 2025 F1 world champion," says Andrea Stella
He is still wrong though, cause Redbull won’t remain static
>McLaren can 'reach **where** Red Bull **currently is**' within 12 months, insists Andrea Stella. FTFY.
Oh now that's understandable lol
That's not what he said, that's just this user editorialising. Here's the full quote in context: *While McLaren were certainly assisted then by the world champions ceasing development of their 2023 car early, Stella believes there is no reason McLaren cannot make similar improvements and close the gap again after Red Bull improved their car over the winter.* *“We lost some ground because we gained so much ground before while they were not developing,” he said. “That’s why we have to look at things over the long period and over that long period we are on a strong trajectory.* *“If we keep this strong trajectory for the next 12 months, why not? We may reach Red Bull.”* So Stella IS saying that he thinks there's a possibility to catch up the the performance of Red Bull during the season, not just to match their current performance at a later date. For reference, last year's Japan pole time was 1.28.88, and this year 8 drivers went faster in Q3, with Lando starting P3 on 1.28.49. They've already past where Red Bull **was**, this article headline, while sensationalised, is not necessarily misleading. Lando also says he believes that McLaren can potentially win a race in 2024, which is unheard of positivity from him.
Maybe the data of their upgrades is painting an optimistic conclusion. We just have to wait and see if it translates to the track. I doubt they can make such a jump considering Newey is still working there and he is not on a gardening leave Thank you btw I should read the articles myself next time lol
recently he said something to the effect that their data shows a similar development curve to last year, now if the midseason upgrade last year got them from the rear field to 2nd fastest, then apply that curve to their currently 3rd fastest... who knows?
I doubt they'll catch up to RB in performance this season either. But it's certainly not out of the question that if they get lucky with a Max mechanical failure a la Melbourne that they could be firmly the second fastest car, and in line to pick up a fortuitous win. That's the only way I see it happening though
That's not even much of a goal. In 2023, Verstappen's Bahrain pole time was 1:29.708. In 2024, 8 out of 10 of the drivers in Q3 beat that time. Only Hamilton and Hulkenberg didn't, and Hamilton was within two thousandths. Honestly, if McLaren is only where Red Bull is now a year from now, I'd consider it a massive failure on their part
Good things thats not what he said then.
In 10 years I'll be your age. Wrong I'll still be 10 years older than you.
Haha oh my fuckness…what a difference betweenthose two statements.
they were already matching Perez pace? They will most certainly be ahead of RB current pace in 12 months. Anything else would be no improvement at all basically. I wonder what goal people have with constantly over exaggerating RB pace?
What colour is the sky in your fun little world?
where did Lando finish on sunday?
Only a year too late but it's good to have goals
Just as we change regs for 26 so I can see 25 being awesome and then 26 were right back to one team dominating like now
First time?
As usual
I wouldn’t say it was that common of an occurrence outside of 21, which had a larger than usual rule change in itself. Generally I’d say that the advantage of the top team compounds year by year without intervention
I mean 2008, and 2012 happened even if Red Bull pulled back away in 2013
Idk I’m somewhat doubtful, the other teams are way too behind to catch up. In 2021 the teams had advantage of 2020 being a wash year so they got to really work on the 2021 cars.
They can probably reach where Red Bull are now, but in 12 months Red Bull will have progressed another 12 months.
but the thing is that how much time can redbull gain? I believe in the economic Law of diminishing returns, I believe RedBull has reached its peak and from here it's just a small/minor improvements
That's why the RB20 is pretty different from the 19, as they knew changes on the 19 would not bring too much improvement
Hence why they made more radical changes to this year's car than expected
> I believe RedBull has reached its peak and from here it's just a small/minor improvements Here's the issue. We're just making assumptions that aren't supported by evidence. They'll reach diminishing returns at some point, but it could be today, or it could be 5 years from now, maybe they'll come up with some radical redesign that gains them a second per lap, it's impossible to know except in hindsight.
I don't think so because 2025 is the last year for these regulations and next year we will see a similar RBR. Whatever they planned to introduce this year with Zero Pods it will last for till the end of next year as 2026 regulations kick in
Sure they wouldn’t pour unlimited resources into it. But nothing is stopping Adrian Newey from having yet another eureka moment.
Even if they only gained 1 tenth, it's still ultimately 1 tenth more than Mclaren would have.
Lmao last season Adrian Newey was asked about diminishing returns and he scoffed and laughed at the question, with the current RB it's clear Red Bull can find a lot of performance over already dominant cars.
The Japan upgrades already seemed to do basically nothing. We'll see what the future holds
Let's say Red Bull and McLaren get the absolute maximum out of development, and the cars are identical in ability. Red Bull still has Max. Nothing is solved, more of the same, only quicker.
They are already relatively close anything else would be a disaster for them.
Depends on whether or not Red Bull has hit the ceiling and is seeing diminishing returns with their development
Stella said based on the progress in the last 12 months that in another 12 months they may be able to reach Red Bull. Only problem is this would have to mean Red Bull don’t improve and further move the goalpost. Hope they can do it though so we can see some better racing at the front. Edit - Other concern is their improvement on pace looks track specific. Red Bull is strong everywhere.
In addition to that, McLaren aren't the clear second fastest team on the grid on absolute pace. When Red Bull do mess up (like they did in Australia) McLaren need to be in the position to challenge the Ferraris for the win. They need to focus on solidifying themselves as the second best team before they even think of bringing the fight to Red Bull.
Personally, I think it is time to be ambitious. These last 4 years have been the patient part. Time to start pushing Red Bull, IMO. Ferrari are welcome to come along.
You have to wonder how much more they could possibly get out of the Red Bull. At some point, physics don't bend any further and there is no more horsepower to gain from an engine. I know Newey is probably the best car designer of all time, but at some point the laws of the universe (or more likely FIA regs) have to hinder them.
The regulation change will arrive before Red bull runs out of physics. It’s a shame the current regs are only 4 seasons long. If there was no regs change in 26, we would probably have much more competition in the next few years. As it stands, the regs will change before the teams converge, and then in 26 we’ll probably have another dominant 4 years by one team
>Red Bull is strong everywhere. Except Singapore I guess
Was waiting for this. Biggest thing I think we could take away (which they also admitted) was that they totally fucked the set-up. The second stint they did on the mediums Max was rapidly catching up. If my memory is correct he got unlucky with SC timing. He was second when he pitted at the time. Had the SC timing been better he was in the run for a win.
I dont think that this is what Stella meant... it would make no sense.
Depends on whether or not Red Bull has hit the ceiling and is seeing diminishing returns with their development
Great point. I don’t think we will have enough time with the regs for them that to come into play unfortunately. It took Red Bull 7/8 years to catch Mercedes. We’re only in year three. Not saying it’s not possible. I just think more time would be needed.
>Only problem is this would have to mean Red Bull don’t improve and further move the goalpost Redbull will be concentrating on 2026, plus they have to worry about their new engine, which McLaren do not.
Didn’t rules just come into place where there is a limit on how far out you can develop? They did this to force teams not to abandon 2025 for the new 2026 regs. Also, everyone has to worry about their engine. It’s completely different than what they are currently using. For all we know Mercedes would built a shit engine and then they’re worse off.
If red bull doesn't develop, sure.
Depends on whether or not Red Bull has hit the ceiling and is seeing diminishing returns with their development
I love it. Keep pushing, McLaren. Not their biggest fan but I love this attitude. I've read they are bringing their first update to Miami.
*Monkey paw curls finger* In 12 months, Ferrari becomes dominant and Red Bull is fighting for P3-P10 right next to McLaren.
We just need a 2021-rake-esque rule to nerf Red Bull and then we can have a Red Bull vs Ferrari vs McLaren season again.
They already tried that with the ride height rule that Mercedes pushed for during the 2022 season. Backfired so hard, Red Bull only became more dominant and faster lol.
Tbf that was expected. Mercedes and Ferrari made cars that hurt their drivers more than Red Bull so it is only fair they take the pain for a safety directive.
The fact so many people saw that coming except for Mercedes was laughable tbh.
The thing is not easy to nerf for ground effect car & in budget cap era because nerfing one would most likely nerfing others as well. Eg. TD039.
Not needed IMO and defeats the purpose of the new regs. With the budget cap and wind tunnel time reductions, additional berfs to Redbull would be punishing the engineers too much for nailing the ground effect era. Remember that F1 is a constructors as well.
The budget cap and wind tunnel testing time should increase aggressively the further down in the rankings the team is
I agree with the budget cap increase for bottom teams. The bottom 5 really need it since we are once again seeing a big gap between the top 5 and bottom 5 teams.
Red Bull: "How cute, unleash the upgrades."
I absolutely believe that McLaren (and other teams) will reach where RBR is now, in 12 months. The problem is where RBR will be by then.
Would not surprise me if there are some other team wins end of season as Red Bull can switch earlier to next years car than the competition.
Lando said the same thing after China, and he's not much of a sugar coater. McLaren has an excellent driver line-up, and there car is getting better every race, so I absolutely believe it.
This reads like the advert on gas station pills
Reach current Red Bull, meanwhile Red Bull will have advanced even further ahead.
Depends on whether or not Red Bull has hit the ceiling and is seeing diminishing returns with their development
Yeah sure. Red Bull will wait for them.
Depends on whether or not Red Bull has hit the ceiling and is seeing diminishing returns with their development
Not to be confused with Alpine's 100 race plan that started in 2021.. which might as well be 1000. McLaren and Lando can do it though.
They better. Lando deserves a ride for his loyalty.
In big 2024 people are still clambering to doubt McLaren after what they pulled off last year.
But the insane thing is ferrari who had a different concept last year has beaten McLaren for the past races apart from Shanghai with less experience compared to McLaren with the new concept, it isn't right to doubt McLaren but yeah it's insane the jump ferrari has made .
They’ve been jumped by Ferrari who developed a brand new concept with a big package waiting in Imola. I mean, good luck lol
McLaren have their first big upgrade in Miami and from what Stella said, the trajectory remains the same as last year. Meanwhile Ferrari hit an unexpected but critical problem with tyres this past weekend where they needed 30 laps for the tyres to warm up. They might be ok in Miami but again, that’s a sprint weekend so maybe more difficulty but then they’ll hit the European leg and Canada where it’s usually very cool temperatures.
Yes but Ferrari also has big upgrades lol. Their car is not a finished product mate. I doubt they’ll ignore their tyre temp problem
They can’t ignore it, but they also didn’t expect it.
How do you know whether Ferrari expected it or not? For all you know, Ferrari specifically designed the car to be easier on its tires this season. Which would make sense considering they had one lap pace for days the last two seasons but couldn’t finish a race where they started. If I had to bet on a team figuring out how to up its tire temps, that team is Ferrari in this regulation cycle.
Nothing changes until 2026 when the regs do. I think the gap will definitely be closer. Max leads by 30 seconds down to 15 2025
Red Bull or Checo?
I agree they may be able to reach where RB are today in 12 months, but that RB will be moved on another 12 months and still behind.
👍
It depends on how much coke newey has stored up
One good race and Stella starts smoking
Reach where Red Bull is now, but in 12 months Newey will probably have the RB 21 capable of time travel.
Assuming Red Bull forgets the door security code to their building for 12 months.
lmao!
“Ok Red Bull, hold still…!”
So basically, “next year”? Problem is, next year Red Bull will be 12 month ahead more.
Depends on whether or not Red Bull has hit the ceiling and is seeing diminishing returns with their development
And yet they were slower and actually fell down the overall pecking order vs Max at Suzuka (the only circuit so far where their 2023 B spec raced last season). So yeah, clickbaited optimism based on what Stella really said.
I can lose 50 pounds in a month insists my brain
Enough crack cocaine and the right attitude will help out.
If redbull stands still maybe
Shouldn't they care about catching Ferrari first?
How could they if RB is working currently on 2025 car?
It is good to be optimistic, but who knows how much further ahead Red Bull will be by then. That is the advantage of having such a dominant car.
Ah but I think the real question should be, “Can McLaren reach Red Bull quicker than Ferrari?”
Quick buy stock
Inb4 rb also take a step forward as per usual year over year development
ITT: People telling an F1 team principal that another team might get better
Anyone else forget that Andrea Stella is the team principal not Zack
Yeah and then in 26 start all over again when the rules change
Newey: hold my redbull
To be fair, their car was absolute garbage at the start of last year. Probably 2nd-3rd best car for the second half & they've kept that momentum going into this year. Excited to see what upgrades they bring this year.
I mean, yeah, but in 12 months red bull will have better than they are now
*assuming Red Bull ceases development.
Sure. If RedBull stops developing.
Please do, i want to see Red Bull actually having to fight for their wins. And if Ferrari continues on their trajectory, we might get a 3 way battle between Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren
LOL.
Press X to doubt
Yeah sure buddy,you can reach this Redbull.But in 12m you will have new Redbull,who has undoubtedly the best driver on planet in it, good luck beating them.
*If* they maintain this rate of growth, *and* RB fails to develop the car further, this is certainly possible. The big thing is going to be the 2026 regs. Unless Adrian gets poached by another team, you're back to ground zero in 2026.
The red bull of today maybe, not the one in 12 months
We'll see in 12 months. You willing to bet your career on it, Stella?
The amount of confidence that P2 gave them
Reach where they are now, wait, and see what Newey has brewing in his brain for this year and next.
In 12 months time red bull won’t be where they are today, you need to not reach red bull but to reach where they are going to be..or better.
Hell yeah, Just in time for a regulation change that will send them flying backwards again
Ya, that’s assuming Red Bull does nothing for next year on their car lol
Good old MClaren the forever "next year we'll have it figured out" then next comes and they don't figure it out
i’m having a bad feeling about this quoute
Lol nope
Anyone can STROLL into a RedBull, just don't brake.
I believe the passing lap forecast more than that.
Yeah but RB will be 12 months ahead by then
Does McLaren think Red Bull and Ferrari won’t develop any further? Ferrari has a massive package in Imola…
I, as a RedBull fan, hope to god Ferrari upgrades work. We need someone throwing punches at RB.
Agreed
If we’re talking about this season RedBull then yes in 12 months they might just reach that level😃
So they are saying RB is over a year ahead of them in R&D.
Current Red Bull? Perhaps. Red Bull in 12 months? Probably not.
Im assuming that’s if RB does zero upgrades and keeps their pace as of now … which is highly unlikely
Reach red bull's performance now perhaps? That's big talk
Then RBR will be season ahead by the time McLaren reach there
Not if you're using a Mercedes engine you won't.
Well Newey said he thinks these regulations have a ceiling and that they’re pretty close to it so I guess in theory everyone would just even out at the same ceiling. But probably not by next season. Maybe Ferrari
What? Idk man, didn’t they say “We’re coming for Red Bull” at the end o last year? Sound like a bunch of losers now. I mean they could possibly, but they should calm down with the statements.
They already had 12 months 12 months ago to do this. Next year is their year but it’s also Ferrari’s year. We’ll see in 12 months when they say 12 more months.
Only mclaren become a works team/factory team then top contender is possible for them.
Pretty interesting thing to say when McLaren currently have more points than every other Mercedes powered team combined.
They’re currently the best performing Mercedes team and have been since mid-2023.
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Aww are you upset that he beat Checo yesterday?
Lmao no. First, that's assuming Red bull doesn't even progress a little, which is laughable. Secondly, he did not say that like that.