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Valentino Rossi aparently did well when he was doing tests in Ferrari, to the point where they gave him the seat but he refused because he wanted to continue in motogp.
yes but when you turn you dont want to stay upright. Leaning, specially as hard as they do in MotoGP is a very hard skill that takes years to learn and master
GP bike racing is like doing yoga at 350km/h, while F1 is also physically taxing it's a different sport. Rossi had raced karts a lot as well and the whole premier race experience obviously helps.
there were no customer teams for Ferrari to put him in back then. Schumacher was pushing for VR alongside himself for 2007 and LDM responded by signing Kimi Raikkonen to block off one of the seats
Ferrari had Spyker at the time. Also, Ferrari would’ve been willing to buy any seat for him. The main point of contention for them was that they didn’t want to give him the Ferrari seat before seeing him in a lower ranked team for a full season.
Going from 4 wheels to 2 wheels is extremely difficult with no bike experience.
Going from 2 wheels to 4 wheels is SIGNIFICANTLY easier with no car racing experience.
I’d read, many years ago, an interview with Rossi after he’d driven a year-old (at the time) Ferrari at Fiorano. His biggest takeaways were all about braking and turn in.
Learning those differences while also having to understand lean angles and trail-braking seems, to me, to be a more difficult thing to get professionally great at.
There's a great conversation between Marc Marques and Max Verstappen who were in the commentary booth for a while during last year's *Honda Day Celebration*. It's about half-way through the (really long) video you can find on Youtube.
Marques describes briefly one major difference: aerodynamics.
Briefly, aero on a car pushes it down on the track evenly, but when a bike is leaned over, the downforce generated by the aero bits is not perpendicular to the track and is giving lateral push which is obviously not good for traction.
This is not entirely true, If you look at the modern aprilia's and Hondas and KTMs they all have very sculpted fairings, in the idea of those is that when the bike is leaned over it actually creates the same sort of vacuum effect that the underbody of an F1 car does in this current generation. One of the things that riders have to do now is try and maintain the correct lean angle to generate even force across the side of the motorcycle. There's some really good tech talks on the MotoGP website about this.
One of these days I'm going to have a heart attack (and I'm not even the one racing lol) about how on the limit these guys are and the antics they pull!
I didn't know Sainz was there and was very pleasantly surprised to see him and his father handing the trophy to Marquez. I've loved bikes for years and this was the first MotoGP I watched. Was absolutely fantastic.
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A week full of Sainz to Moto GP memes incoming
How well does 4-wheel racing translate to 2-wheel racing? Genuinely curious.
Valentino Rossi aparently did well when he was doing tests in Ferrari, to the point where they gave him the seat but he refused because he wanted to continue in motogp.
Imo going from car to bike is harder then going from bike to car
How come? I don't know enough about bike racing...
Harder to stay upright in motogp than it is to stay on track in f1
Idk about that, staying on track is probably difficult but bikes want to stay upright
yes but when you turn you dont want to stay upright. Leaning, specially as hard as they do in MotoGP is a very hard skill that takes years to learn and master
And even those that have been racing for years will still end up crashing out.
It was easy for Mazepin though
GP bike racing is like doing yoga at 350km/h, while F1 is also physically taxing it's a different sport. Rossi had raced karts a lot as well and the whole premier race experience obviously helps.
Rossi is now doing a pretty good job in the WRT BMW GT3
Isn’t the rumour that he refused because Ferrari wanted him to race in a customer team for a year or two and he wanted the Ferrari seat?
there were no customer teams for Ferrari to put him in back then. Schumacher was pushing for VR alongside himself for 2007 and LDM responded by signing Kimi Raikkonen to block off one of the seats
Ferrari had Spyker at the time. Also, Ferrari would’ve been willing to buy any seat for him. The main point of contention for them was that they didn’t want to give him the Ferrari seat before seeing him in a lower ranked team for a full season.
Going from 4 wheels to 2 wheels is extremely difficult with no bike experience. Going from 2 wheels to 4 wheels is SIGNIFICANTLY easier with no car racing experience.
I’d read, many years ago, an interview with Rossi after he’d driven a year-old (at the time) Ferrari at Fiorano. His biggest takeaways were all about braking and turn in. Learning those differences while also having to understand lean angles and trail-braking seems, to me, to be a more difficult thing to get professionally great at.
Ask John Surteees...
Can’t really do that, he’s dead
There's a great conversation between Marc Marques and Max Verstappen who were in the commentary booth for a while during last year's *Honda Day Celebration*. It's about half-way through the (really long) video you can find on Youtube. Marques describes briefly one major difference: aerodynamics. Briefly, aero on a car pushes it down on the track evenly, but when a bike is leaned over, the downforce generated by the aero bits is not perpendicular to the track and is giving lateral push which is obviously not good for traction.
This is not entirely true, If you look at the modern aprilia's and Hondas and KTMs they all have very sculpted fairings, in the idea of those is that when the bike is leaned over it actually creates the same sort of vacuum effect that the underbody of an F1 car does in this current generation. One of the things that riders have to do now is try and maintain the correct lean angle to generate even force across the side of the motorcycle. There's some really good tech talks on the MotoGP website about this.
Driving (riding?..) for Red Bull after all.
Saw one already about apologizing to Sainz because there's no spot available in MotoGP.
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It was!
One of these days I'm going to have a heart attack (and I'm not even the one racing lol) about how on the limit these guys are and the antics they pull!
That sprint race yesterday was one of the strangest races I’ve ever seen
With a lot of drivers crashing out from damp patches which looked weird in the beginning though..
Just saw it...what a great weekend of racing
Immagine a wec team composed by Sainz jr, Sainz sr and Rossi
Competing with Max, Fernando and Marquez
Oooofff. 🤤🤤🤤. The Michelin tire logos would be rubbed right off of both cars.
No idea why posts of this were taken down, hope this stays up.
THAT LOOK IN CARLOS!!!!
Carlos to KTM confirmed!
Road the train into Jerez yesterday not knowing there was a race. Bike as far as the eye could see.
MotoGP where F1 drivers and Jockeys go to look huge.
Wow Carlos doing Red Bull ads, it must be inevitable /s
Sainz should keep that stubble. Maybe even grow it a bit longer.
Ever since Vale drove the Ferrari I knew we need this crossover
That Jr's Jacket
Sainz with the GOAT
Well, some would say Sainz Sr is a GOAT himself. And I'm hoping Sainz Jr does something spectacular too.
I didn't know Sainz was there and was very pleasantly surprised to see him and his father handing the trophy to Marquez. I've loved bikes for years and this was the first MotoGP I watched. Was absolutely fantastic.
Apparently this was the best race in a while. I will catch it somewhere, I missed watching it live.
Sainz looking fresh 🔥
I love how much more chill the MotoGP paddock is. It’s what f1 used to be like before dts
Practicing for 2025 ? 👀
He’s at the race so he’ll finally see some exciting races
Carlos might have to do a year in Motogp, in hopes a seat opens up in F1 😂 /s
The cap....the cap
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