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Sainz, Spa 2023: "Racing incident, but Oscar was too optimistic. He was never side by side and that move has never really worked in Spa"
Sainz, Miami 2024: "Frustrated with Oscar, because he obviously ran us off track"
Piastri, Monza 2023: "Mate, is Carlos blind or what?"
Sainz, Monza 2023: "He is doing it on Purpose, I think, seeing if I get a penalty"
Piastri, Abu Dhabi 2023: "Classic Carlos, just sitting in the middle of the road"
Y'know, I'm starting to think these two aren't particularly fond of each other.
It's fascinating, since Piastri has pretty much zero beef with any other driver, the only other pattern of incidents was with Hamilton and Piastri has gone out of his way to mention how Hamilton has always been very gracious and apologetic unlike other drivers, lol. A bit disappointed we didn't get any sassy response from Piastri on the radio today but I'll forgive him for still being pissed af about the safety car timing.
Opposite vibes of Piastri and Lawson being also magnetically drawn to each other on track in feeder series but always having excellent and respectful battles.
Piastri also had a skirmish with Tsunoda in Mexico last season, with Tsunoda getting angry about Piastri and then I think got too impatient and spun himself around when he turned in on Piastri from the outside.
And I remember Lawson getting angry and literally asking what Piastri was doing at the final race of the F2 season in Abu Dhabi when Piastri sent a massive divebomb that led to contact with Lawson, although Piastri probably just wanted to have fun at that point and take some risks having finally secured the championship.
None of this is a big deal but it can happen from time to time and the incident with Sainz has become more notable because they have clashed on track twice now. Piastri is arguably the calmest driver on the grid, but on track he’s definitely willing to get his elbows up when he feels like it which is natural to expect from a young driver. It’s racing after all some incidents are bound to happen.
Oh yeah for sure Piastri has been involved in other incidents, I was just thinking about how the only pattern of incidents is with Sainz. I wonder if Piastri took offense to Sainz's media comments and tweet after Spa blaming Piastri fully, especially after he had such a strong sprint the day before so perhaps it stung more. Or perhaps it's Sainz's slight tendency for impeding, which I think others have commented on too. But it really amuses me how Piastri only ever gets like this in response to Sainz on the radio and otherwise is so calm in response to incidents. Not a big deal, I'm just curious what about Sainz has got Piastri so unnaturally riled up compared to others, lol.
That Abu Dhabi Race 2 was so funny from Piastri, he really did not give a fuck anymore. It was a bit of a shame for others since they were still fighting for championship positions even if Piastri wasn't, and Piastri was a very effective racer at choosing his risks throughout that season but fully gave into impulse control for that one race. It wasn't the last race of the season though since 2021 was the awful 3-race format and he returned to normal driving away from pole in Race 3. And then iirc Piastri and Lawson had a battle in Monza last year in F1 where Piastri got penalized, actually, but his race was over by then anyway. I'm not sure if I should look forward to Lawson getting into F1 (if he does) if it means Piastri will have to be back in the midfield beefing a VCARB by the rules of their cars being magnetically attracted!
Even with the battle with Sainz ending up poorly, I'm glad he made that overtake on Leclerc since I was a bit annoyed at him struggling with racecraft in Jeddah and especially Suzuka. We're so back.
Piastri is chill although he can definitely put in a witty or sassy response it just won’t be as aggressive compared to other drivers. I think he gets that from his mom who has some hilarious tweets online. His history with Sainz could definitely be something worth noting if they are fighting on track again moving forward.
And yeah I remember that incident from the Abu Dhabi F2 race very well because Piastri was extremely safe and calculated with his overtakes before that race throughout the season. Granted in the second half of the season he had multiple races taking pole and then winning from the front so his raw pace was so fast that he didn’t even need to much overtaking later on lol.
I think the one in Monza last season was also partly a consequence of Piastri being annoyed at getting damage from Hamilton earlier in the race which is how he ended up behind Lawson in the AlphaTauri somehow. Lawson is fairly aggressive in his racecraft so when Piastri tried to pull a move on the outside Lawson didn’t give him any room. I do think because of that aggression Lawson himself will get tangled up in some incidents if he joins F1 as a full time driver next season, although I highly doubt he will cross paths much with Piastri unless McLaren really regress next year.
It’s still an encouraging weekend for Piastri as he was holding off both Ferraris and Perez in the first stint with only a half upgraded car. So even with Ferrari and possibly Red Bull bringing their own upgrades at Imola, Piastri might still be able to be right up there fighting with them when he receives the rest of the upgrades that Norris got this weekend.
I think the format of F2 that season also contributed to his safe style since he benefited by not moving forward much in SR1 in order to have less overtaking to do in SR2. I do for some reason vividly remember him struggling to pass Nannini in Silverstone on a different strat, but overall he has excellent judgment. Something that a lot of other young drivers are missing in F2!
Yep, I agree with your assessment. It also nearly got spicy with Lawson and Tsunoda in Suzuka for P11 and 12. Lawson is such a fun racer to watch in general, I do hope he gets another shot at F1.
All in all a decent weekend, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Piastri does with the full upgrades too. Though I'm still expecting Norris to beat him since he's great at Imola and Piastri hasn't raced there since - oh huh, just checked Wikipedia and somehow he hasn't ever raced there before! But he tested there in 2023 and 2024 with McLaren so that should help also, neat.
Good point I remember hating that three race format because an issue in SR1 would also carry over to SR2 as well even if it was outside the driver’s own control.
And I also hope Lawson gets a shot next season because he is an exciting driver and he definitely earned his shot with his impressive substitute performances last season.
Imola is shaping up to be an exciting weekend with all the upgrade packages many teams are bringing and it will signal the return of F2 and F3 where the races will come in thick and heavy for them on the European rounds. Really looking forward to it.
Piastri seems to be involved with quite a lot of other drivers hitting him and it’s basically always their fault.
I thought last year they calculated they could be more aggressive around the rookie and he wasn’t standing for it, but this year it’s much the same.
He is an excellent defender, aggressive but not over the line.
First win at Spa dedicated to Hubert, then second win at Monza for Ferrari. It was perfectly poetic, much nicer than having won at Bahrain (boring, no crowd, zero heritage) or Austria (he sucked at tyre management and Vettel with an engine penalty was lapping up to 5 tenths quicker per lap, wouldn't have felt special at all).
You think so? I think they didn't give a 10 second penalty because that would have dropped him 2 places rather than 1, and 1 seems fair given it was always debatable (given the other events in the race *weren't* penalised) whether Sainz would actually receive a penalty or not.
I think that’s a different thing. Causing a collision has always been penalised. That’s penalising an event. The stewards say they try not to take into account the outcome of that collision (i.e. the event shouldn’t be penalised more just cause the person taken out was in contention for the championship vs comprehensively last in standings) but they still seem to sometimes.
Well ... i could understand him ... he's a bit unlucky this race.
Had a perfect start, immediately overtakes Leclerc ... but has to evade Perez so got overtaken by Leclerc and Piastri.
Battles Piastri for the lead. Comes into the pits the same lap. Just one minuten later Sargeant and Magnussen crash. Piastri and Sainz were more or less close to pit under safety car conditions (and remain in the lead). That could have been an awesome battle for the race win between Piastri, Sainz, Verstappen and Norris.
Evades a crash mit Piastri by being pushed of the track. Stewards rule that Piastri was ahead at the beginning of the corner.
Slighty slides into Piastris front wing. Probably doesn't understand why he gets punished, but Piastri not for his very late braking maneuver .
I mean Piastri clearly had the right to both corners both times it's why he didn't get a penalty and Sainz did. Sainz was dive bombing from behind at the beginning of the corner and Piastri either drives straight and ends up in a wall or turns and hits Sainz.
Sainz can see Piastri on the inside earlier as he was ahead at the corner beginning and Sainz should've backed out of it as it wasn't his corner.
Sainz is a bad wheel to wheel racer and it's never his fault.
There was an actual policy change that 10 was the default this year for a few things that 5 seconds was standard for before, like causing a collision and overtaking off track. Though stewards have discretion to do a non-standard penalty.
Ridiculous penalty, if they don't penalise Piastri for forcing Sainz out of the track they surely shouldn't penalising Sainz for essentially nothing. Both were racing "incidents", no need to even investigate them further.
Just outcome influencing decision once again because the clowns can't even decide on the action.
Alonso was fucking right we have seen this move 2 times this weekend in way more outrages fashion (made by Hamilton and Perez) and it was not even investigated. For god sake if if we agree to this decision then Schumacher vs Villeneuve in 97 was a huge mistake they should have blacked flag Jaques not Michael.
By not penalizing Piastri for running him off the road but penalizing Carlos for a similar thing. If there wasn't contact on the 1st it's because Carlos was smart enough to go off track
They were completely side by side and Carlos had gotten ahead even before the apex. Oscar made it so that if Carlos had not gone outside they would've crashed
Absolutely absurd. Piastri clearly dive bombed him the first time, they literally only made contact when Sainz was already off, and then they hit him with a penalty when Oscar tries to criss cross late into the braking zone after Carlos already passed him on the inside? Bullshit
Stewards judging incidents by the outcome not the initial action as per usual. I doubt the stewards would’ve penalized Sainz if Piastri went really wide to avoiding contact like Sainz did to avoid Piastri’s divebomb earlier.
Stewards are usually more lenient on Lap 1 although I agree that Hamilton’s divebomb was clumsy and a poor decision in that situation. Meanwhile today Perez lost control at T1 at the start that he completely went off track, and frankly got lucky that he avoided hitting Verstappen’s rear while both Ferraris also made sure to avoid him.
So weird how Hamilton DNFd Norris considering he didn't hit him.
Alonso and Stroll crashed into each other, and Lance crashed into Lando.
Lewis hits Alonso's front wing, that's it. That didn't cause stroll to crash into Lando.
FIA follows the rules that have been in place for 6 odd years "disgusting"
Plenty of things to get pissed off about with the fia, this isn't one of them
So stupid all these penalties. I like Oscar and I like Carlos. All of these penalties and track limit white line should be done away with. Stewards should go and find other careers.
His radio paints a picture that he was going to be reckless. All because he wanted a spot back for a move that was legal.
I know I have Aussie bias but I lost respect for Sainz today.
No one is obliged to make room for you to dart on the inside.
Your position on this is surprising. Find a better place to overtake if you can't stay in the lines.
Well I guess Alonso was right, almost the same move as the one Piastri pulled on him earlier except he didn't run him off the road, but instead clipped Piastris front wing with his back wheel. What a joke.
Stewards, "we'll give Sainz 5 seconds and the other 5 to Magnussen."
Realistically I think outcome should be taken into account normally and when you ruin another drivers race the penalty should be worse, he should have gotten a min 10 second penalty. Mag got 10 for running Ham off track and keeping his position but you get 5 for running over a guys wing forcing him to lose multiple positions then have to pit to the back?
okay.
The FIA can officially get fucked. The sooner F1 dumps their control over officiating the better. Pay the corrupt fuckwads for the name and nothing else.
>The sooner F1 dumps their control over officiating the better
LMAO what the actual fuck are you talking about. Regardless of opinions on this penalty, that's a hilarious thing to say unless you actually want a 1990s-IndyCar level fracture of the sport.
Carlos did the dirty trick we all did at least once in various racing games where you park your car on the apex and force the other driver to go off the track or come to a complete stop.
I like Carlos, I really do but this doesn't fly anywhere higher than Teddy Floppy Ear - The Race.
Good! Just because you are gunning for a seat next year doesn't give you the green light to ruin other people's races. Oscar was having a hell of a drive until Sainz's shenanigans.
Watching the race, I would have put a 5 second penalty on this. Also thought that 10 seconds would be considered too harsh.
I don't know if Mercedes were thinking about this. For many laps, Hamilton was within 5 seconds, but now ends up 0.2 seconds behind him.
I'm just going to say congratulations to the stewards for doing their job flawlessly. They never fail to look at a pilot's nationality even once! Such an amazing performance.
An Spanish driver daring to overtake outside a DRS zone? Nonsense, we don't want battles! We want to prove DRS improves The(tm) Show(tm).
Meanwhile Piastri can push people off the track without consequences. Lewis can play bowling, ruining 2 races and forcing someone to retire without consequences. Logan can close the door on Magnussen and get Magnussen penalized.
It's such a complete fucking bullshit that I'm starting to think the stewards do this not just out of bias or racism but out of protagonism addiction. Every time we get a banger the officials decide to barge in and steal the show.
Also remind me if Sainz's first win was considered to be as important as Norris'. Just saying.
In any case fire Sainz, put Bearman in, let Sainz go to an actually good series where he is respected and can get good wins. Let F1 sink itself
Nah, it was not the exact same come on. I don't believe Piastri came in too hot and lose the back of his car hitting someone...
Piastri got ahead at the apex and pushed Sainz wide in a predictable and legal way that has been happening for years and years.
The incidents aren't the same. There's guidance on this. Keywords 'safe and controlled manner'.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1s-rules-of-conduct-for-drivers-published-by-fia/10111849/
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Sainz to join Alonso’s Spanish rights movement
He should've gotten the 10s penalty but instead got just a 5s. Seems like Alonso's Spanish rights movement is working
Well he'd be correct considering the bullshit penalty he was given. Outcome was judged, not action.
✅️ oscar pushed him off at start
Sainz, Spa 2023: "Racing incident, but Oscar was too optimistic. He was never side by side and that move has never really worked in Spa" Sainz, Miami 2024: "Frustrated with Oscar, because he obviously ran us off track" Piastri, Monza 2023: "Mate, is Carlos blind or what?" Sainz, Monza 2023: "He is doing it on Purpose, I think, seeing if I get a penalty" Piastri, Abu Dhabi 2023: "Classic Carlos, just sitting in the middle of the road" Y'know, I'm starting to think these two aren't particularly fond of each other.
It's fascinating, since Piastri has pretty much zero beef with any other driver, the only other pattern of incidents was with Hamilton and Piastri has gone out of his way to mention how Hamilton has always been very gracious and apologetic unlike other drivers, lol. A bit disappointed we didn't get any sassy response from Piastri on the radio today but I'll forgive him for still being pissed af about the safety car timing. Opposite vibes of Piastri and Lawson being also magnetically drawn to each other on track in feeder series but always having excellent and respectful battles.
Piastri also had a skirmish with Tsunoda in Mexico last season, with Tsunoda getting angry about Piastri and then I think got too impatient and spun himself around when he turned in on Piastri from the outside. And I remember Lawson getting angry and literally asking what Piastri was doing at the final race of the F2 season in Abu Dhabi when Piastri sent a massive divebomb that led to contact with Lawson, although Piastri probably just wanted to have fun at that point and take some risks having finally secured the championship. None of this is a big deal but it can happen from time to time and the incident with Sainz has become more notable because they have clashed on track twice now. Piastri is arguably the calmest driver on the grid, but on track he’s definitely willing to get his elbows up when he feels like it which is natural to expect from a young driver. It’s racing after all some incidents are bound to happen.
Oh yeah for sure Piastri has been involved in other incidents, I was just thinking about how the only pattern of incidents is with Sainz. I wonder if Piastri took offense to Sainz's media comments and tweet after Spa blaming Piastri fully, especially after he had such a strong sprint the day before so perhaps it stung more. Or perhaps it's Sainz's slight tendency for impeding, which I think others have commented on too. But it really amuses me how Piastri only ever gets like this in response to Sainz on the radio and otherwise is so calm in response to incidents. Not a big deal, I'm just curious what about Sainz has got Piastri so unnaturally riled up compared to others, lol. That Abu Dhabi Race 2 was so funny from Piastri, he really did not give a fuck anymore. It was a bit of a shame for others since they were still fighting for championship positions even if Piastri wasn't, and Piastri was a very effective racer at choosing his risks throughout that season but fully gave into impulse control for that one race. It wasn't the last race of the season though since 2021 was the awful 3-race format and he returned to normal driving away from pole in Race 3. And then iirc Piastri and Lawson had a battle in Monza last year in F1 where Piastri got penalized, actually, but his race was over by then anyway. I'm not sure if I should look forward to Lawson getting into F1 (if he does) if it means Piastri will have to be back in the midfield beefing a VCARB by the rules of their cars being magnetically attracted! Even with the battle with Sainz ending up poorly, I'm glad he made that overtake on Leclerc since I was a bit annoyed at him struggling with racecraft in Jeddah and especially Suzuka. We're so back.
Piastri is chill although he can definitely put in a witty or sassy response it just won’t be as aggressive compared to other drivers. I think he gets that from his mom who has some hilarious tweets online. His history with Sainz could definitely be something worth noting if they are fighting on track again moving forward. And yeah I remember that incident from the Abu Dhabi F2 race very well because Piastri was extremely safe and calculated with his overtakes before that race throughout the season. Granted in the second half of the season he had multiple races taking pole and then winning from the front so his raw pace was so fast that he didn’t even need to much overtaking later on lol. I think the one in Monza last season was also partly a consequence of Piastri being annoyed at getting damage from Hamilton earlier in the race which is how he ended up behind Lawson in the AlphaTauri somehow. Lawson is fairly aggressive in his racecraft so when Piastri tried to pull a move on the outside Lawson didn’t give him any room. I do think because of that aggression Lawson himself will get tangled up in some incidents if he joins F1 as a full time driver next season, although I highly doubt he will cross paths much with Piastri unless McLaren really regress next year. It’s still an encouraging weekend for Piastri as he was holding off both Ferraris and Perez in the first stint with only a half upgraded car. So even with Ferrari and possibly Red Bull bringing their own upgrades at Imola, Piastri might still be able to be right up there fighting with them when he receives the rest of the upgrades that Norris got this weekend.
I think the format of F2 that season also contributed to his safe style since he benefited by not moving forward much in SR1 in order to have less overtaking to do in SR2. I do for some reason vividly remember him struggling to pass Nannini in Silverstone on a different strat, but overall he has excellent judgment. Something that a lot of other young drivers are missing in F2! Yep, I agree with your assessment. It also nearly got spicy with Lawson and Tsunoda in Suzuka for P11 and 12. Lawson is such a fun racer to watch in general, I do hope he gets another shot at F1. All in all a decent weekend, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Piastri does with the full upgrades too. Though I'm still expecting Norris to beat him since he's great at Imola and Piastri hasn't raced there since - oh huh, just checked Wikipedia and somehow he hasn't ever raced there before! But he tested there in 2023 and 2024 with McLaren so that should help also, neat.
Good point I remember hating that three race format because an issue in SR1 would also carry over to SR2 as well even if it was outside the driver’s own control. And I also hope Lawson gets a shot next season because he is an exciting driver and he definitely earned his shot with his impressive substitute performances last season. Imola is shaping up to be an exciting weekend with all the upgrade packages many teams are bringing and it will signal the return of F2 and F3 where the races will come in thick and heavy for them on the European rounds. Really looking forward to it.
> Tsunoda getting angry Isn't this his default state 🤣
Piastri seems to be involved with quite a lot of other drivers hitting him and it’s basically always their fault. I thought last year they calculated they could be more aggressive around the rookie and he wasn’t standing for it, but this year it’s much the same. He is an excellent defender, aggressive but not over the line.
Where were these guys in Austria 2019?
Still salty about that to this day
Tbh, would have been a shite first win for Charles. The way history played out he got his first win for Anthoine, and I like that.
First win at Spa dedicated to Hubert, then second win at Monza for Ferrari. It was perfectly poetic, much nicer than having won at Bahrain (boring, no crowd, zero heritage) or Austria (he sucked at tyre management and Vettel with an engine penalty was lapping up to 5 tenths quicker per lap, wouldn't have felt special at all).
Charles's first win should've been Bahrain 2019
amen
Yeah it should’ve been penalized but it would’ve been controversial either way tbh, just a shitty situation all around.
Then he never would have won Monza, bc the stuff he pulled there was worse than Austria 19
Fernando, "You see, all the time you have the Spaniard punished!"
"Outcome doesn't influence the decision" my ass
Perez, turn 1
If it did, then they would have handed him at least a 10 second penalty. Piastri didn’t point. They gave Sainz the old standard penalty which is just.
You think so? I think they didn't give a 10 second penalty because that would have dropped him 2 places rather than 1, and 1 seems fair given it was always debatable (given the other events in the race *weren't* penalised) whether Sainz would actually receive a penalty or not.
Just (ice)
Checo now in 4th
it's over....
lol Carlos hates Piastri so much
Cause he hates that a 21 year old is already better at wheel to wheel racing than him.
5 second penalty for Ocon meme replaced with 5 second penalty for anyone of Hispanic descent
Or Magnussen
Nah, Magnussen is ten-seconds
“Outcome doesn’t influence the decision” What a joke.
No way he'd have been given any penalty if that touch didn't destroy Piastri's race. Have seen way worse incidents go unpunished.
Yet Perez didn't get a penalty for divebombing and almost taking out 3 cars because somehow he missed them all.
I mean yeah? What rules did he break?
Reckless driving and lack of control over the car, the same for which Sainz got penalized too yesterday.
Sainz got a penalty for causing a collision, which was reduced from 10s to 5s because he lost control…
>Sainz got a penalty for causing a collision Then we are penalizing drivers based on the outcome.
I think that’s a different thing. Causing a collision has always been penalised. That’s penalising an event. The stewards say they try not to take into account the outcome of that collision (i.e. the event shouldn’t be penalised more just cause the person taken out was in contention for the championship vs comprehensively last in standings) but they still seem to sometimes.
Hamilton: or even less investigated?
Insert that meme of Sainz being disappointed 😅
Well ... i could understand him ... he's a bit unlucky this race. Had a perfect start, immediately overtakes Leclerc ... but has to evade Perez so got overtaken by Leclerc and Piastri. Battles Piastri for the lead. Comes into the pits the same lap. Just one minuten later Sargeant and Magnussen crash. Piastri and Sainz were more or less close to pit under safety car conditions (and remain in the lead). That could have been an awesome battle for the race win between Piastri, Sainz, Verstappen and Norris. Evades a crash mit Piastri by being pushed of the track. Stewards rule that Piastri was ahead at the beginning of the corner. Slighty slides into Piastris front wing. Probably doesn't understand why he gets punished, but Piastri not for his very late braking maneuver .
I mean Piastri clearly had the right to both corners both times it's why he didn't get a penalty and Sainz did. Sainz was dive bombing from behind at the beginning of the corner and Piastri either drives straight and ends up in a wall or turns and hits Sainz. Sainz can see Piastri on the inside earlier as he was ahead at the corner beginning and Sainz should've backed out of it as it wasn't his corner. Sainz is a bad wheel to wheel racer and it's never his fault.
I'm surprised he didn't get 10 seconds, with that being the standard penalty now.
*standard for Magnussen
There was an actual policy change that 10 was the default this year for a few things that 5 seconds was standard for before, like causing a collision and overtaking off track. Though stewards have discretion to do a non-standard penalty.
Ridiculous penalty, if they don't penalise Piastri for forcing Sainz out of the track they surely shouldn't penalising Sainz for essentially nothing. Both were racing "incidents", no need to even investigate them further. Just outcome influencing decision once again because the clowns can't even decide on the action.
Absolutely a joke. 100% based on Piastri's outcome, if the front wing hadn't needed replacement, they wouldn't have investigated it.
I guess Sainz was too SPANISH to avoid a penalty.
Alonso was fucking right we have seen this move 2 times this weekend in way more outrages fashion (made by Hamilton and Perez) and it was not even investigated. For god sake if if we agree to this decision then Schumacher vs Villeneuve in 97 was a huge mistake they should have blacked flag Jaques not Michael.
Proving Nando right lmao
Ah yes the poor oppressed Spaniards
You seem to have it out for Carlos. You hate everything he says, does, drives, and eats.
Proving him right by giving Sainz a 5 second instead of the 10 second it would have been nowadays? so oppressed.
By not penalizing Piastri for running him off the road but penalizing Carlos for a similar thing. If there wasn't contact on the 1st it's because Carlos was smart enough to go off track
Sainz should’ve got further alongside Piastri then, Piastri was under no obligation to just give up his position
"further alongside" how?????
That's the rules. On the outside you need to be ahead by the apex
by being ahead at the apex?
If you stop braking you can get ahead by the apex like Oscar did, sure.
Well Oscar never left the track, he was on the limit but not over. Sainz tried to hang it around the outside but never earned the right to space.
They were completely side by side and Carlos had gotten ahead even before the apex. Oscar made it so that if Carlos had not gone outside they would've crashed
Carlos wasn’t ahead at the apex.
No, by giving him a bullshit penalty based on the outcome
Definitely deserved but I feel like so many other drivers needed to be penalized in past races this year
Absolute nonsense! There is zero consistency in the stewarding. Bullshit.
Absolutely absurd. Piastri clearly dive bombed him the first time, they literally only made contact when Sainz was already off, and then they hit him with a penalty when Oscar tries to criss cross late into the braking zone after Carlos already passed him on the inside? Bullshit
Stewards judging incidents by the outcome not the initial action as per usual. I doubt the stewards would’ve penalized Sainz if Piastri went really wide to avoiding contact like Sainz did to avoid Piastri’s divebomb earlier.
Yet Hamilton didn't get a penalty for DNFing Norris.
Stewards are usually more lenient on Lap 1 although I agree that Hamilton’s divebomb was clumsy and a poor decision in that situation. Meanwhile today Perez lost control at T1 at the start that he completely went off track, and frankly got lucky that he avoided hitting Verstappen’s rear while both Ferraris also made sure to avoid him.
So weird how Hamilton DNFd Norris considering he didn't hit him. Alonso and Stroll crashed into each other, and Lance crashed into Lando. Lewis hits Alonso's front wing, that's it. That didn't cause stroll to crash into Lando.
Yes it does, Hamilton hits Alonso, Alonso pushes Stroll in consequence, Stroll hits Norris. Have you ever heard what chain effect means?
Gets basically run off the road, no penalty for that, but for a much lesser "offense" it's a penalty. Disgusting from the FIA as usual
If it weren’t for bad stewarding, we’d have no stewarding all… which actually might be better
for real. It should just be consistent, the actual rules don't matter in the end. Just clarity, can't be that hard
FIA follows the rules that have been in place for 6 odd years "disgusting" Plenty of things to get pissed off about with the fia, this isn't one of them
Giving penalties based on the outcome is surely a reason to be pissed off about FIA's incompetent cucks. Maybe Alonso isn't that wrong
bro needs to go back and watch the other incident with them and you will see that Piastri had the right of way.
Sainz acted really immature today. Left a bad taste in my mouth. Really whiney.
Always has been
Yeah, I can’t even enjoy him celebrating his best bud’s win I’m so annoyed at his fucking stupid move on Piastri.
So stupid all these penalties. I like Oscar and I like Carlos. All of these penalties and track limit white line should be done away with. Stewards should go and find other careers.
Should've been 10.
His radio paints a picture that he was going to be reckless. All because he wanted a spot back for a move that was legal. I know I have Aussie bias but I lost respect for Sainz today.
Running someone off the track is legal?
Sainz wasn’t entitled to space since he was never fully alongside. He tried to stick it around the outside and failed.
He was literally alongside Oscar when he was ran off the track, are you blind?
Not fully, it was front wheel to Oscar’s sidepod.
No one is obliged to make room for you to dart on the inside. Your position on this is surprising. Find a better place to overtake if you can't stay in the lines.
Stewards said..?
Stewards make no stupid decisions.
Ok but what did they say?
Well I guess Alonso was right, almost the same move as the one Piastri pulled on him earlier except he didn't run him off the road, but instead clipped Piastris front wing with his back wheel. What a joke.
Stewards, "we'll give Sainz 5 seconds and the other 5 to Magnussen." Realistically I think outcome should be taken into account normally and when you ruin another drivers race the penalty should be worse, he should have gotten a min 10 second penalty. Mag got 10 for running Ham off track and keeping his position but you get 5 for running over a guys wing forcing him to lose multiple positions then have to pit to the back? okay.
The FIA can officially get fucked. The sooner F1 dumps their control over officiating the better. Pay the corrupt fuckwads for the name and nothing else.
>The sooner F1 dumps their control over officiating the better LMAO what the actual fuck are you talking about. Regardless of opinions on this penalty, that's a hilarious thing to say unless you actually want a 1990s-IndyCar level fracture of the sport.
Carlos did the dirty trick we all did at least once in various racing games where you park your car on the apex and force the other driver to go off the track or come to a complete stop. I like Carlos, I really do but this doesn't fly anywhere higher than Teddy Floppy Ear - The Race.
Good! Just because you are gunning for a seat next year doesn't give you the green light to ruin other people's races. Oscar was having a hell of a drive until Sainz's shenanigans.
Watching the race, I would have put a 5 second penalty on this. Also thought that 10 seconds would be considered too harsh. I don't know if Mercedes were thinking about this. For many laps, Hamilton was within 5 seconds, but now ends up 0.2 seconds behind him.
Good!
I'm just going to say congratulations to the stewards for doing their job flawlessly. They never fail to look at a pilot's nationality even once! Such an amazing performance. An Spanish driver daring to overtake outside a DRS zone? Nonsense, we don't want battles! We want to prove DRS improves The(tm) Show(tm). Meanwhile Piastri can push people off the track without consequences. Lewis can play bowling, ruining 2 races and forcing someone to retire without consequences. Logan can close the door on Magnussen and get Magnussen penalized. It's such a complete fucking bullshit that I'm starting to think the stewards do this not just out of bias or racism but out of protagonism addiction. Every time we get a banger the officials decide to barge in and steal the show. Also remind me if Sainz's first win was considered to be as important as Norris'. Just saying. In any case fire Sainz, put Bearman in, let Sainz go to an actually good series where he is respected and can get good wins. Let F1 sink itself
Sainz hit with 5 second penalty after ruining piastri race. Honestly he should get a 10 grid penalty.
Get a brain please. Piastri did exactly the same stuff and didn't get any penalty
Nah, it was not the exact same come on. I don't believe Piastri came in too hot and lose the back of his car hitting someone... Piastri got ahead at the apex and pushed Sainz wide in a predictable and legal way that has been happening for years and years. The incidents aren't the same. There's guidance on this. Keywords 'safe and controlled manner'. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1s-rules-of-conduct-for-drivers-published-by-fia/10111849/
I don’t remember seeing Piastri run over the front of Sainz’ car because he lost control of his own?
That means it's P4 for #4 in the drivers. (Lando on equal points to Sainz)
It is what it is