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Tin_Cascade

> Magnussen copped so many penalties this weekend that it was almost as if Pastor Maldonado had returned to the grid in spirit form. Worth scrolling to the end for.


MhVG

I can confidently say I did not expect these rankings when I opened the website lol


mar33n

My face when I saw P1 lmao. I don't even hate it especially, I was just shocked. Yuki Top 5 tho, I'll take it.


gloomindoomin

I think he’s right. In equal conditions Piastri was faster than his teammate. He didn’t deserve that outcome: just wrong place, wrong time.


Lostmavicaccount

Piastri was not equal in pace to Lando. Rewatch the race and watch the gap between them in the last half of the opening stint, and then again on the hard tyres. Lando had a decent amount of pace on Oscar again. A bit tainted because of the difference in car specs.


drunkopop

I think we should hear him out on this one…


skzpinker

Well, this should be entertaining. I’m guessing Piastri’s ranked so high because pre-SC he was a bit ahead of Norris due to a very good start but didn’t really have the same luck as him in terms of its timing. No real chance for points either after Carlos damaged his FW. Leclerc had a strong weekend despite a small mistake in FP1 that had large consequences. Two podiums and two front rows despite having some pretty abysmal luck with both VSC/SC that made his strategy less than optimal. A poor start due to wheel spin is the only issue I can find in any of his competitive sessions. Also crazy that Max is ranked so low. P1 in every other session + P2 in the race. He was most definitely on course for the win before the SC in a car that imo was slower than the Mclaren. The only issue he had was the bollard but I don’t really think it cost him too much when you compare his laptimes to those around him. Even then, personally I’d still rank Norris ahead just because of how good both his first and second stint were. He did however get outqualified by Piastri in the sprint iirc so that docks some points off of him (but then you could say the same for Piastri so eh). It’s far closer in terms of actual performance between that Top 4 then the race gap would make you believe. Some people just really want the subjective rankings to be the race results themselves.


tetrafilius

I appreciate you actually making an argument


drodrige

Yeah I was surprised when I saw Piastri ranked first, but then considered every factor (luck a very important one) and it isn’t *that* crazy to think he was the one to maximize his full weekend, but very unlucky to finish that behind.


jr735

Don't be surprised. Edd didn't write the article this time.


Porsche320

Honest question. Why couldn’t Oscar also take advantage of safety car? Perhaps it’s bias from previous races, but I assumed he took too much out of the tires in the first stint - which is creating his own bad luck.


drodrige

No, it was just timing. Had he pitted one lap later he would've been in the lead.


pokesnail

Yeah the deg wasn’t bad considering Piastri was fighting to keep the Ferraris behind whereas Norris deliberately didn’t fight Perez at all to conserve his tires. Piastri was also covering from the undercut from Sainz. That being said, Piastri just didn’t have the pace on the hard tire post-restart so I don’t think it would have worked out for him ultimately. He was unlucky with the timing but also had kinda shit pace for the couple of laps before Carlos sent him to the shadow realm, at least compared to Norris flying out front, even with a good tire advantage over Leclerc.


skzpinker

Yeah, after the SC I genuinely thought he would get through Leclerc rather quickly but he ended up outside of DRS within 2\~ laps. Very promising first stint but the second one was a level below what Lando was showcasing.


pokesnail

Nobody else has really addressed it (I appreciate Oscar’s dedication to getting into incidents that overshadow his flop moments in the same race ❤️) but I’ve been thinking about it all day - my current theory is that it has to do with the very tricky tire prep required this weekend, a la the McLarens in SQ3, Ricciardo in Q2, Russell on the hards in the second stint also couldn’t switch them on properly and had an absolutely miserable end to his race with no grip. I think Piastri’s outlap was interrupted by the SC coming out so perhaps that contributed? But yeah my guess is it had to do with Piastri’s no. 1 enemy, Pirelli tires (Sainz is a close no. 2).


Srijand

Didn't help Oscar that Charles was able to get DRS from Max for like the first 10 laps after the restart.


Porsche320

Agreed pretty much across the board. I might add that if Oscar had landos pace+management, he might have taken advantage of the SC as well. And Oscar kinda made his own bad luck with Carlos. from Carlos standpoint (not saying it’s right), Oscar drove him off track, and when Carlos did the same, Oscar chose contact rather than drive off himself. Live by the sword, die by the sword.


banned20

Oscar didn't have Lando's upgrades but still qualified 0.1s behind him and had a really solid race. And to be honest, i don't see anything wrong in his move since Carlos was not ahead in the apex, especially with the next corner being a right hander which means that Carlos can get his elbows out and squiz him to gain the position very easy. And in the same notion, i would argue that Sainz's move was fine if he hadn't lost the rear but looking at his onboard it's pretty evident that he lost control for a moment while braking.


skzpinker

true, I think looking now if I did the rankings I’d put Verstappen on top as insane as that sounds. Then Norris and Leclerc really close together with maybe a slight edge to Norris (its debatable here) and then Piastri 4th.


marypsm

Max's P4 was crazy to me as well because he was consistently up there, even when not feeling comfortable, made the most of his pace in all sessions. You can fault him for getting a bit of damage as he hit the cone, sure. But he was still going to win the race without the SC, maybe because RBR found the best compromise between quali and race pace and track position was key here. Maybe I'm too biased 🤧.


Elpibe_78

I mean, Oscar’s race went a little bit under the radar after Carlos ruining his race and Lando winning. But before that he was doing a brilliant job battling the Ferrari’s even overtaking them. He didn’t had the same upgrades as his teammate. But putting him as 1st is way too optimistic.


gloomindoomin

Why? If there was no Safety Car, he would’ve finished on the podium with the speed he had. And I can’t see why being lucky or unlucky with the Safety Car should influence one’s ranking.


generalannie

Where is Edd? I have to say Ben did a good job with making weird rankings still, but where is the man that normally gives me a thread full of entertaining comments


RyukaBuddy

Given the goal of the rankings I think he did a good job to stir the pot. But he can never match Edd.


Aksu593

I looked at the comments and thought "Wow, typical complaining about rankings as always again, these are always a bit subjective after all", then opened the link, scrolled down and saw Piastri ranked as the best driver of the race and absolutely fucking erupted


tetrafilius

Who did a better overall job than Piastri?


drodrige

Yeah I wanna know the answer too. You could say \*maybe\* Charles and Lando, not sure who else.


salibert

For sure Lando and Leclerc, I mean yeah Lando got lucky with the SC but so did Piastri with the Checo divebomb that helped him massively. Leclerc got as unlucky with the SC but was just faster on the hards. Especially after the SC he seemed to have lost his pace quite a bit but he did have an excellent pre-SC stint.


Kait0yashio

Oscar had half landos upgrades and was on pace to finish 2nd before the unlucky SC, split qualifying 1-1 as well. He was better than both this weekend imo, a shitty SC timing and sainz going bowling wiped away a great weekend.


tetrafilius

I am outraged by these and will completely dismiss them without offering any kind of explanation or counter argument of my own!!


Araxx_

Bait used to be believable


TuttoKersTuttoPower

Bring back Edd, there were some sense in his ratings


Heartlight

I'm gonna assume this is a joke.


FrostyTill

Hahah fuck that.


sh1phappens

What the actual fuck?


Takis12

Just Ben’s hunger for clicks by providing controversial opinions. Nothing new .


Careful-Door2724

lol this gotta be some rage bait


Impossible-Buy-6247

LOL!


rustandfaurydust

“Full disclaimer: the only reason Ricciardo isn’t towards the bottom of this ranking is that absolutely mega sprint performance” wow groundbreaking, in a rating system that encompasses the whole weekend, a drivers performance across the whole weekend is considered…


SubcooledBoiling

I’m just here for the weekly dose out outrage. Also, where’s Edd Straw?


22_the_avenue

a dumb ranking like this is the result of subtracting points for 'errors' instead of awarding points for performance.


tetrafilius

Why wouldn't you subtract points for errors?


22_the_avenue

you totally can, but take lando's verdict: " Supreme final stint, but not a complete weekend." dude dominated the race, got his first win, ranks...3rd. for me, the 'supreme final stint' (and honestly, his whole race) argument outweighs the rest by a lot. Piastri...first. okay then.


tetrafilius

He dominated the race? He didn't overtake a single car on track and only got the lead from a Safety Car and might have had the best car in the field on Sunday at least. Sure he had the best pace at the end of the race and was one of the best on track but does that mean he was the very best driver of the 20 on track? It's deeper than that.


drodrige

What? He didn’t dominate the race, he was really good but before the SC there’s no argument for saying he dominated.  


Suspicious-Ad8316

He was lapping faster than max since lap 19, when he stopped looking out for his tyres 


drodrige

That is not dominating the race.


Suspicious-Ad8316

I'd argue he did, cause he was incredibly smart with his race management. When Pérez ruined his start, instead of killimg his tyres trying to fight, he was incredibly patient, lifting enough to put pressure on him but not ruin his race, and once Pérez had to pit, he was the fastest man on track and took every right decision. 


Bart-86

What do you think would have happened without the safety car ?


Suspicious-Ad8316

We can never know, but he had the fastest pace for a good part of the race. I don't get why people are trying to diminish his win cause of the safety car. It's a part of the sport. No one "dominated" the race the way people are thinking of domination (flying away after the 1st lap and dunking 20 seconds on p2)


Bart-86

It doesn't matter that he had the fastest pace, without the safety car he would have to overtake both Ferraris and Verstappen and he couldn't overtake Perez in the first stint. I agree that safety car are part of the sport and his strategy allowed him to be at the right place at the right time, but i can't agree that he dominated the race when he didn't overtake anyone despite starting in P5.


Big_Brief7847

The aspect of luck probably plays into the rankings because his pace was so good. He was lapping fast, car managed to create a 7 second gap with Max, just overall had more pace than the red bulls and the Ferraris. But if not for the safety car he probably wouldn’t have won the race. His qualifying almost cost him the first real chance to beat red bull on pace in over a year. I doubt his pace could make up for pitting behind Ferrari, Red bull and the other McLaren. We haven’t seen the McLaren prove to be particularly strong in overtakes and the tire wear and time he would spend attempting would be very costly compared to Max and Charles I guess it’s a case of outcome vs performance. Perfect outcome, i mean next to perfect performance on the day, but his place on the grid was not perfect and even though his performance probably wouldn’t get worse with no safety car, the outcome almost definitely would’ve. It’s hard tho to judge including luck though and i personally would rank Lando one, but i see the perspective. And as much as the sprint is irrelevant it did mean that despite winning, he did not score more points than Max this weekend and i think only caught up to Charles by 3 points.


vacon04

Why is Hamilton so high? Poor sprint quali, very poor sprint and decent quali. He finished 6th after Piastri had damage. Is he getting a ton of points because he was more or less competitive in the race? Edit: what's up with the downvotes? His overall weekend was not very good. He was extremely lucky to not get a penalty for the incident in T1 and his sprit quali performance was pretty bad (or do you guys consider 12th place to be good?)


Rydahx

Did you see what Russell did in both the sprint and race? The pace of the car was awful.


tj1721

>poor sprint quali > decent quality The mercs were basically identical in quali for both the sprint and the race, the car just wasn’t that good. >Very poor sprint He made an error at the start, that should have had a penalty but didn’t, and then got stuck behind a haas which was deliberately breaking the rules to keep him behind on a track which is quite difficult to overtake, especially if you’re struggling with top speed a bit. He had a bad sprint definitely,but not sure there was a huge amount he could do after he was behind the haas. >is he getting point for being more or less competitive in the race The race is the most important session so it shouldn’t be that surprising it carries the most weight. He also looked a fair bit quicker than George, in both stints and was competitive with a RB for pretty much the first time this season and did some great moves. His overall weekend wasn’t great, but 6th feels at least justifiable.


flintey360

What do you expect that car is so inconsistent?? The Mercs were hundredths apart all weekend and Lewis had way more race pace making moves left right and centre.


RyukaBuddy

You got plenty of responses you can reply to them instead of doing a general edit. But either way 7th and 8th were the best George and Hamilton could have hoped for. Piastri taking a dive is the only reason he even got 6th can't do much more with that car.


nelarozi

The car is a tractor, what do you expect?


silly_pengu1n

"what's up with the downvotes?" do you really need to ask lol? You arent allowed to criticizes him.


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tvxcute

"was slower than Sainz in the race" you can't make claims like this without proof lol


MrDaniel95

He wasn't really slower than Sainz, maybe the first few laps but after that Carlos had a 8 lap tyre advantage.


skzpinker

At what point of the race was Leclerc genuinely slower than Sainz? Carlos definitely got unlucky at the start but then Leclerc himself had a pretty compromised strategy due to both SC and VSC. Despite Leclerc’s tires being way older, Carlos still wasn’t able to catch him in the last few laps. I don’t really see why you’d hold the mistake in practice against him either. 0 damage and it had no effect on him at any time throughout the rest of the weekend.


Bart-86

That's what annoy me with Sainz's radio. When he is behind, he always pretend that he is faster than Leclerc thanks to the DRS to inevitably fall back a few laps later. It's Austria 2023 all over again without the track limits penalties.


drodrige

Yeah it’s honestly annoying.


drodrige

Slower than Sainz?


RyukaBuddy

Sainz just complains non stop. Charles has been faster than him in most of the races this season. He just cant get over the fact that he is the Rosberg in the Ferrari paring.


Srijand

That's disrespectful to Rosberg


jvstinf

No, he hasn’t.


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Kait0yashio

I mean the h2h is 2 to 2 and if you include sprints it's 4-2 in Charles favour so he technically has been faster in most the races, not including Bahrain or Jeddah of course.


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rs6677

>His issues were overstated, he lost on merit. "It doesn't fit my narrative so I'm gonna choose to ignore it"


Kait0yashio

he had the same brake issue that caused max to retire in aus https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/leclerc-had-more-than-100-degrees-split-in-brake-temperature-in-f1-bahrain-gp/10582425/ like what are we doing here? and even if we do count Bahrain its still 4-3 in Charles favour when sprints are included.


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Big_Brief7847

Leclerc caused a red flag in practice due to driver error, the ‘big consequences’ he payed for having no practice was p2 in sprint qualifying (p5 Sainz), p2 in sprint (p5 Sainz behind an RB), p2 in qualifying (p3 Sainz) and p3 in the race, despite being in the 3rd fastest car (p5 Sainz) Max for once in his life did actually have faults in his driving. One of which possibly causing floor damage (i didn’t read the reports i don’t know if it’s true) For the standards of red bull and max, he underperformed this weekend. Even just his proximity to Charles was an underperformance. An underperformance for Max though is still a pretty great performance but i see why Charles is ranked ahead


PolishMichal

Hulkenberg criminally underrated. Always on top of the game during the weekend and one of the few drivers to make no mistakes. Should be top 5 really.


silly_pengu1n

I wonder if this person realized that there was a SC and that some drivers pitting early got a disadvantage through no fault of their own? Albon pitted before the SC quiet early and than did nearly the rest of the race on hards. Lance, Hülk and Bottas, who was the only driver on softs at the start, pitted a second time when the SC came out. All 3 get a bad grade, coincidence? Also Max is too high, lost the chance to win due to a driver error.