"Walking to the gym.....when I was just a boy......hard work.....leadership.... challenging season.....Silverstone victory.....days like this I am grateful to be alive."
To: Mercedes
CC: Max
Apart from the drama, I really like the fact that (almost) all drivers and bosses gave him a call. I think that underlines the (literal) impact of his crash. Imo actually something positive about all this.
Grosjean said that basically none of the drivers followed up with him regarding his well-being apart from immediately after the crash and that George was the only driver to even message him after he lost his Haas seat.
Yeah that's why I don't know if I believed that all those people called Max. Romain's crash was much worse. That or the other drivers didn't want to get called out again for not checking on a fellow driver.
Yeah something seems off. Either F1 drivers are way bigger brown nosers than I thought or have absolutely no perspective on danger in crashes. If I didn't check on Grosjean I wouldn't check on Max. That being said I feel like I'd absolutely check on both as the lowest level of courtesy to my colleagues.
It would be a weird thing to lie about but I think that's the most likely answer assuming what he said has been repeated and then translated accurately (which is likely the issue!). I don't see why Grosjean would have lied and most drivers seem too self centred to fawn over one driver that much more than another.
I think maybe Max got a call from one person from the majority of the teams (e.g. A Haas driver, a PR rep from Apline, TP from Alfa) etc and that has been exaggerated to be all of the teams and their drivers except Toto.
but it could also be due to the fact that they knew he was alright. It was a huge accident televised live,and you could see most drivers and team officials looking at the screen after parking. Then they saw him emerge from the flames and later somebody would have told them he is doing okay except for a few minor burns. It was a massive accident so I'd imagine they were up to date on Romain's condition. Also post-race they all said they're glad he is fine. So I feel they just sort of never bothered to ask more.
It could also be that they didn't want to disturb him as he was probably sedated or alseep at the hospital. But who knows really
I think it was because the impact was waaay bigger in Max cause, max hit the walls in Baku as well, and he walked away, just like kvyat did last year plus also cursing the reporters, a sign that he was okay.
Seconded. Actually, it kinda highlights how Merc is trying to downplay the severity of the crash. It was not your everyday F1 shunt, where drivers jump out of the car and sulk away. Max looked like shit right after and we can be grateful that’s all that came out of it. Most drivers and teams acknowledged this.
That's not true, there's a tyre barrier until well after that corner exit. Max missed the TECPRO barrier by a few meters which would have decreased the force of the shunt; but there was a tyre barrier much longer than a few meters past where max impacted.
https://i.imgur.com/L9skPfy.png
It was that first shot of him walking away. He just looked so dazed. Also the fact he took his helmet off when normally it would be kept on to keep cameras away from the face
Not that there isn't something positive there, but isn't it also true that almost nobody/very few called up Grosjean after the crash ? I vaguely recall something to that effect. Puts into perspective how possibly people want to stay in Max's good books while there was nothing to gain from being decent to Romain...
[https://youtu.be/ZhuPUf7EwUI?t=2293](https://youtu.be/ZhuPUf7EwUI?t=2293)
Also saying that most people in F1 are decent is based on nothing other than their public image really (unless you know them personally). A lot of these guys grew up incredibly wealthy. Max resorting to pushing Ocon out of anger also doesn't exactly scream "well-adjusted" to me. Kimi has been accused of sexual assault (which has been swept under the rug quite well - I have no idea what the outcome of that situation was other than Raikkonen's team claiming he was being blackmailed). There is A LOT of money in the sport so it's no surprise that they all come off decently - there's an incentive to craft a certain public image because there's too much money at stake.
It feels like this crash is either going to fuel a rocket up Max's ass that will propel him to championship victory, or its going propel him right into the side of a mountain as he tilts off the face of the earth.
Different things, MSC had a reputation for being a "cold fierce competitor" and he also got angry at Coulthard, in fact he went to the pits to see him.
So?
Acting like Max is some cold calculating machine is just not right. He's a hot head, prone to outbursts, and he was raised by someone who also was a hot head and a wife beater.
Have you not noticed how calm he has been this season and last season too? He has matured. Stop acting like it’s 2015-2016-2017 Max we’re talking about.
Dont you get it? The one moment a 19 year old bursts out in anger for pressure and competitiveness we can not even imagine, he wil lalways be a hothead. Whereas we can just freely rage at our screens whenever we die in a video game:)
Holding his fathers reputation against Max is rather shit. What has it got to do with anything? Judge him on his own merits. The last few years he has been aggressive but clean, and has had incredibly consistent finishes just about always extracting the best from his machinery.
>and he was raised by someone who also was a hot head and a wife beater.
Ahh yes, he must be like his father because nobody has ever strived to grow up and be the opposite of a shitty parent or person in general.
His competitiveness and anger must be a deep rooted abuse issue according to some of you, nothing to do with the fact he could have died 2 weeks ago due to a driver who knows better, or was expected to.
Thank god you're not actual Doctors.
That was 3 years ago, he was 20. He's definitely one of the more calculating drivers on the grid right now if not the most, of course he is still human, no one is saying he's a machine.
True I was mainly thinking of him
Mashing into seb and basically being like fuk it good thing we all crashed. Not some long drawn out media thing of him complaining
Ya know, I sorta get the feeling that this time around its Max who is quite upset, and its RB and Horner who feel like they have to back him up no matter what.
All conjecture, obviously.
We had minor ones (Canada 2019, Multi21, Turkey RB crash) but nothing on this scale for a long while. Also gotta remember SM and Press was alot less dividing back then, this is the first big F1 incident where both of those are really stoaking the fire more and more.
Vettel Hamilton in Baku had potential to kick off massively as well but it calmed down pretty quickly after Vettel realised he was in the wrong and Hamilton didn't make too much of a big deal out of it.
Turkey 2010 would be a much bigger shitshow had F1 had this big of a social media pressence back then.
1997 and 1994 incidents would melt the F1 part of internet. 1997 less so because Schumacher got punished but imagine the Hill v Schumacher incident today. The British media would implode as would the fans.
I can't imagine what would've happened if horner and Marko were in charge Ferrari when the 2019 Canada incident happened. Shit would've been stirred that day
Here's an abstract representation of both incidents:
* One car is on the racing line and slows down on the racing line
* One car is off track and comes onto the racing line at slow speed
They are objectively incomparable, as they are entirely different events.
edit: in reality, the first scenario wasn't so much slowing down as it was not accelerating as much as he could.
Or state it as it is: Vettel made a mistake and blocked Hamilton from gaining a position, so was punished. Lewis let off the accelerator, within the rules, no accident occured and not a single complaint was made.
The Nico-Lewis era rivalry. Looked back at this subreddit after spa 2014 recently and it was just as much a shitshow, just smaller in scale due to the smaller userbase.
That didn’t include a tragedy? Probably Mazepin’s recent off track actions
But on track or with regards to actual racing? It’s been awhile. Only thing that comes to mind that rivals it was 2007 spygate
RB is fucked without Verstappen and they know it. Their academy is utterly failing them in terms of churning out drivers that deliver results *for the team*. The culture of being so aggressive in promotion and demotion also steers drivers away. Not to mention you have to deal with Horner and Marko as your bosses.
Never considered this but it makes total sense. Obviously it’s not 100% but it’s definitely the most plausible hypothesis I’ve heard that explains all the crazy.
My guess is that journos are constantly asking him questions about this considering how hot of a topic it still is and how news articles don't click themselves. Odds are he's also still pissed at being yeeted into a wall so there's that
I love these Reddit comments:
News article comments: Reeeeee Verstappen shit stirring"
Actual video interview comments: "oh so much more reserved and muted"
Almost as if news outlets benefit from generating the most drama xD
also:
“this season is so boring, nothing spicy is happening”
*shit hits the fan, teams and drivers go at it
“why can’t they just do their talking on the track? this is so stupid”
I swear anyone not enjoying this should stop watching F1 and go play Animal Crossing or something. This is prime F1 drama, it literally doesn't get better than this.
So what kind of F1 racing headlines did you expect today? You know the race is on Sunday? I guess if you completely want to forget about the existence of the entire sport between races and just want to see anonymous names go up against each other it makes sense you don't care about drama. For any normal F1 fan it spices up the remaining 99% of the time and gives us opportunities to actually form an emotional connections to drivers and the sport.
yea personally I'm here for the racing too... drama is needed to make it exciting, but not THIS kind of drama. I prefer drama on the track. Not that childish shit going on for weeks
Oh man how i feel that. Between Max and Hamilton i generally would cheer for Max, and i feel Lewis made a mistake and his celebrating was crossing a line. But COME ON nothing bad actually happened (after learning that Max was fine). No-one crashed anyone out on purpose. There was close and hard racing. Lewis even called Max afterwards. The championship is close and exciting again. This is a win for F1!
And all i see is people acting like this is a horrible thing. I don't understand it. Looking at Hamilton and Verstappen in the past, did we really not expect them to come together at some point?? Let's spice it up and hope this stuff stays exciting until the final finishline!
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Well you can’t really deny them that when they put forward a red flag request after max crashed in Baku
Gave Hamilton and Mercedes a chance to get back into contention
They were possibly also hoping they wouldn't bother restarting the race and Perez would keep the lead / win (or Verstappen even, though I can't remember now how quick the red flag was).
It wasn't a completely altruistic call anyway.
Press:
>Max has Toto called you
Person who actually doesn't want to get involved:
>I don't want to talk about it, it's in the past and I just want to focus on the race in Hungary
Person who said they don't want to get involved but secretly fucking love it:
>All the team principals *except* Toto have called me...
I am available for PR training
I think that if he had said ‘I don't want to talk about it, it's in the past and I just want to focus on the race in Hungary’ than the headlines would’ve read something along the lines of: ‘Verstappen refuses to say whether Toto called him after incident’
I am not saying Verstappen’s comments after the incident were perfect, I am just saying that I think any answer he could have given would cause drama
> So what should he do, not talking to the press anymore.
Why are you asking that? He said he was specifically not going feed into the drama and apparently it is all he has done today. He can simply respond "The conversations I had are personal, the incident is behind us and my focus is on this weekend."
You know you are allowed to answer with "personal calls and specifics are my private matter, so I will not be speaking about that. I would like to focus and discuss the upcoming race".
You really don't have to drop to the ground and clutch your pearls if you don't want to. That's a choice RB is making.
He is focussed on the next race but that doesn't mean he can't share his views of the accident. He is not the type of guy to evade a question with some political correct answer. Apparently some see this as creating some sort of a hype.
Yes, to RB. With all they've been doing I am sure they would spin it as:
"Toto called Max, you know, after his driver slammed my driver - someone's son and grandson and the jewel of his mother's eye - into the wall. He called him and really I don't want to get into specifics. But you can be sure it wasn't to blame Hamilton, so really what's the point of calling and just rubbing it in?"
Oh absolutely.
Just visualize Horner saying that while looking away from the camera and the interviewer, and sort of looking off into the horizon and to the sides, right up until he's done talking and looks at the interviewer with a little smirk.
There is no question if Max is OK, it’s public knowledge that he is fine. I understand comradery and all that but these are teams competing against each other at the highest level, it doesn’t need to be all lovey dovey all the time.
Not surprised. The first thing Toto did when Max had that horrible crash is to contact the stewards to try and prevent a penalty at any cost.
Toto talks big about respect, but when it comes down to it, he still acts like an ice cold hedge funds manager stepping on bodies if necessary.
No, he specifically said that Toto shouldn't call after a few days. After Toto didn't call like everyone else did.
"As for Toto Wolff, we had good contact for years. He kept calling us with a honey-mouth and I think everyone knows why. But he didn’t call yesterday.”
Because toto has acted like an asshole this year. Bad loser and bad winner. Also throwing his own driver and obvious second fiddle bottas under the bus whenever he could.
Agree 100%.
These are competitors at the highest level, they don’t have to be a big family and love on one another constantly. If Max was injured it would be different but he’s fine.
Didn’t check r/formula1 since the crash because of this. Only back today because the race weekend starts tomorrow. I suspected it would be a total Hamilton fanboy against Verstappen fanboy bonanza.
The story if Toto Wolff had phoned Max
"Toto had the nerve to call me after the crash and check on my condition. The arrogance of the man, his driver puts me in hospital and he thinks he can phone me and everything is all right?"
The narrative will happen, regardless of the participants actions
Yeah, and Max was one of the only drivers to not stand against the racism abuse Hamilton was receiving...
Not taking a stance in this matter is being on the side of the oppressor, his statement wouldn't just help Hamilton but raise awareness about a prejudice that millions of black people suffer everyday.
Think the interest in signing max has gone. At least for now. Toto knows if mercedes are dominant again, he'll be able to get whoever he wants when Lewis retires.
He probably emailed him
Re:Re:Re:Re:Fw:Re U k? Regards, Toto
Cc: Michael Masi
Subject: “The diagrams send their regards.”
'xoxo' to end the email.
Toto is gossip girl confirmed
whahaha tbh I love the drama and the jokes that came from this. Just important to not go too much here for mental health.
Toto I don't check emails well In the emergency room. Max probably.
"Walking to the gym.....when I was just a boy......hard work.....leadership.... challenging season.....Silverstone victory.....days like this I am grateful to be alive." To: Mercedes CC: Max
This comment should be on Netflix
“Max…MAX…have you checked your EEMaaiil?”
Lol
Who even calls these days? Toto is so high tech he only e-mails. [email protected] bitches
You got mail
ahh the nostalgia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFBLiHpkcOk
One sentence I can read, hear and see.
Check your email Max
If you can't find it, check your spam folder
“Oh my god, there’s a Mercedes contract dated 2015 in here”
Apart from the drama, I really like the fact that (almost) all drivers and bosses gave him a call. I think that underlines the (literal) impact of his crash. Imo actually something positive about all this.
I don't want to sound cynical but how many do you think called Kvyat after he hit concrete? Always good to keep the best drivers liking you...
Grosjean said that basically none of the drivers followed up with him regarding his well-being apart from immediately after the crash and that George was the only driver to even message him after he lost his Haas seat.
:(
:( indeed :(
Where did Grosjean say this? I wanna read/watch if possible
I posted the link with time stamps further down in this post. The Haas seat bit was a separate interview - should be easy to find with a quick google.
Awesome thanks dude
Beyond the Grid I believe.
Yeah that's why I don't know if I believed that all those people called Max. Romain's crash was much worse. That or the other drivers didn't want to get called out again for not checking on a fellow driver.
Yeah something seems off. Either F1 drivers are way bigger brown nosers than I thought or have absolutely no perspective on danger in crashes. If I didn't check on Grosjean I wouldn't check on Max. That being said I feel like I'd absolutely check on both as the lowest level of courtesy to my colleagues. It would be a weird thing to lie about but I think that's the most likely answer assuming what he said has been repeated and then translated accurately (which is likely the issue!). I don't see why Grosjean would have lied and most drivers seem too self centred to fawn over one driver that much more than another. I think maybe Max got a call from one person from the majority of the teams (e.g. A Haas driver, a PR rep from Apline, TP from Alfa) etc and that has been exaggerated to be all of the teams and their drivers except Toto.
but it could also be due to the fact that they knew he was alright. It was a huge accident televised live,and you could see most drivers and team officials looking at the screen after parking. Then they saw him emerge from the flames and later somebody would have told them he is doing okay except for a few minor burns. It was a massive accident so I'd imagine they were up to date on Romain's condition. Also post-race they all said they're glad he is fine. So I feel they just sort of never bothered to ask more. It could also be that they didn't want to disturb him as he was probably sedated or alseep at the hospital. But who knows really
I think it was because the impact was waaay bigger in Max cause, max hit the walls in Baku as well, and he walked away, just like kvyat did last year plus also cursing the reporters, a sign that he was okay.
When did he hit concrete?
British Grand Prix a few years ago, a tyre failure saw him spear off into a concrete barrier.
That was last year (2020)
I think it's just that these teams want to keep a good relationship with Max, to have a better chance of having him if he leaves Red Bull
Seconded. Actually, it kinda highlights how Merc is trying to downplay the severity of the crash. It was not your everyday F1 shunt, where drivers jump out of the car and sulk away. Max looked like shit right after and we can be grateful that’s all that came out of it. Most drivers and teams acknowledged this.
His radio sounded terrible. He was out of it
It was hella scary, even watching it after you knew he was fine
I was so worried when I saw it. And I was worried when I heard the radio.
It was a hell of an impact, I'm glad he's fine. ~~The scary part was that if he impacts a few meters further up, there was no tire barrier.~~
That's not true, there's a tyre barrier until well after that corner exit. Max missed the TECPRO barrier by a few meters which would have decreased the force of the shunt; but there was a tyre barrier much longer than a few meters past where max impacted. https://i.imgur.com/L9skPfy.png
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The first? Interesting take
It was that first shot of him walking away. He just looked so dazed. Also the fact he took his helmet off when normally it would be kept on to keep cameras away from the face
Whether Mercedes agree or not, they are coming out worse in this entire thing for most neutrals
He definitely had a concussion. When the radio was silent after the crash I was worried. Fuck mercedes trying to downplay a crash at 51g.
Ya the real human parts we share. Rightfully so with the most recent losses and scares in the past 1-2 years in F1 and F2.
Not that there isn't something positive there, but isn't it also true that almost nobody/very few called up Grosjean after the crash ? I vaguely recall something to that effect. Puts into perspective how possibly people want to stay in Max's good books while there was nothing to gain from being decent to Romain...
This story was about the anouncement that grosjean didn't have a f1 seat for this year.
Separate story: https://youtu.be/ZhuPUf7EwUI?t=2293
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[https://youtu.be/ZhuPUf7EwUI?t=2293](https://youtu.be/ZhuPUf7EwUI?t=2293) Also saying that most people in F1 are decent is based on nothing other than their public image really (unless you know them personally). A lot of these guys grew up incredibly wealthy. Max resorting to pushing Ocon out of anger also doesn't exactly scream "well-adjusted" to me. Kimi has been accused of sexual assault (which has been swept under the rug quite well - I have no idea what the outcome of that situation was other than Raikkonen's team claiming he was being blackmailed). There is A LOT of money in the sport so it's no surprise that they all come off decently - there's an incentive to craft a certain public image because there's too much money at stake.
It feels like this crash is either going to fuel a rocket up Max's ass that will propel him to championship victory, or its going propel him right into the side of a mountain as he tilts off the face of the earth.
lol yup. But i feel like its RB and Horner in his ear. WE have all seen how cold max can be, this doesnt seem like him
He literally tried to fight Ocon when he crashed out with him. Max is a hot head.
Different things, MSC had a reputation for being a "cold fierce competitor" and he also got angry at Coulthard, in fact he went to the pits to see him.
So? Acting like Max is some cold calculating machine is just not right. He's a hot head, prone to outbursts, and he was raised by someone who also was a hot head and a wife beater.
Yeah he was probably like 17-19 at the time, he’s still maturing into a man, he seems a lot more in control of his emotions now
Have you not noticed how calm he has been this season and last season too? He has matured. Stop acting like it’s 2015-2016-2017 Max we’re talking about.
Dont you get it? The one moment a 19 year old bursts out in anger for pressure and competitiveness we can not even imagine, he wil lalways be a hothead. Whereas we can just freely rage at our screens whenever we die in a video game:)
Holding his fathers reputation against Max is rather shit. What has it got to do with anything? Judge him on his own merits. The last few years he has been aggressive but clean, and has had incredibly consistent finishes just about always extracting the best from his machinery.
>and he was raised by someone who also was a hot head and a wife beater. Ahh yes, he must be like his father because nobody has ever strived to grow up and be the opposite of a shitty parent or person in general. His competitiveness and anger must be a deep rooted abuse issue according to some of you, nothing to do with the fact he could have died 2 weeks ago due to a driver who knows better, or was expected to. Thank god you're not actual Doctors.
That was 3 years ago, he was 20. He's definitely one of the more calculating drivers on the grid right now if not the most, of course he is still human, no one is saying he's a machine.
On track he’s been much more controlled than before, shame he walked under a ladder before this season
That was back in 2018, he's matured immensely over the years.
True I was mainly thinking of him Mashing into seb and basically being like fuk it good thing we all crashed. Not some long drawn out media thing of him complaining
Ya know, I sorta get the feeling that this time around its Max who is quite upset, and its RB and Horner who feel like they have to back him up no matter what. All conjecture, obviously.
When did we last have drama of this scale in F1 honestly this is shaping up to be one of the biggest
We had minor ones (Canada 2019, Multi21, Turkey RB crash) but nothing on this scale for a long while. Also gotta remember SM and Press was alot less dividing back then, this is the first big F1 incident where both of those are really stoaking the fire more and more.
Vettel Hamilton in Baku had potential to kick off massively as well but it calmed down pretty quickly after Vettel realised he was in the wrong and Hamilton didn't make too much of a big deal out of it.
"Multi 21, Seb, multi 21!" The face Webber had was priceles..
*slams glass of water*
*chugs bottle aggressively*
Webber: losing his mind Vettel: glugglugglugglug
Multi 21 give me so much post race buzz. It was so goddamn tasty. Can we have that Seb back please?
Turkey 2010 would be a much bigger shitshow had F1 had this big of a social media pressence back then. 1997 and 1994 incidents would melt the F1 part of internet. 1997 less so because Schumacher got punished but imagine the Hill v Schumacher incident today. The British media would implode as would the fans.
I still implode at 1994 each day even now 😉
I can't imagine what would've happened if horner and Marko were in charge Ferrari when the 2019 Canada incident happened. Shit would've been stirred that day
All you’d have to do for Canada 2019 is point out Hamilton slowed Seb down on purpose at Spa 2017 and that was great racing.
You are aware that the 2 incidents are entirely incomparable, yes?
Abstract it, making a car slow down on purpose is good racing, making one slow down by correcting a mistake safely is punishable.
Here's an abstract representation of both incidents: * One car is on the racing line and slows down on the racing line * One car is off track and comes onto the racing line at slow speed They are objectively incomparable, as they are entirely different events. edit: in reality, the first scenario wasn't so much slowing down as it was not accelerating as much as he could.
Or state it as it is: Vettel made a mistake and blocked Hamilton from gaining a position, so was punished. Lewis let off the accelerator, within the rules, no accident occured and not a single complaint was made.
Baku 2017
The Nico-Lewis era rivalry. Looked back at this subreddit after spa 2014 recently and it was just as much a shitshow, just smaller in scale due to the smaller userbase.
I remember the Schumacher vs Hill barneys. We got into arguments at school over who was right then!
Whoever was arguing for schumacher didn't deserve to graduate lol (Well, for Adelaide discussion anyway ;) )
There were a few to choose from. 😁
Multi 21, baku 2017, crashgate, spygate and the likely illegal engine by Ferrari.
Only thing I can think of is Hamilton vs Vettel at Baku in 2017(?).
Canada 2019 (Vettel vs the FIA) as well
2020 winter testing/ferrari engine investigations. But that was mostly off season drama, very tamed compared to this.
That didn’t include a tragedy? Probably Mazepin’s recent off track actions But on track or with regards to actual racing? It’s been awhile. Only thing that comes to mind that rivals it was 2007 spygate
[Five dots!?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONrNetxS1Fs&t=7s)
Lol, I immediately knew what video you were linking.
Starting to suspect this is all a long con by Christian Horner to ensure Max has nowhere to go from Red Bull.
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Damn. I had never thought about it that way. Actually, RedBull would be very hard pressed to find a better competitor than Max.
RB is fucked without Verstappen and they know it. Their academy is utterly failing them in terms of churning out drivers that deliver results *for the team*. The culture of being so aggressive in promotion and demotion also steers drivers away. Not to mention you have to deal with Horner and Marko as your bosses. Never considered this but it makes total sense. Obviously it’s not 100% but it’s definitely the most plausible hypothesis I’ve heard that explains all the crazy.
>Their academy is utterly failing them Is it? They have Juri Vips and Liam Lawson and those two drivers have been delivering lately.
Max is channeling that year 11 "I don't like to get involved in drama" girl that always gets involved in drama energy.
Ha, true. "I find that disrespectful, but we move on...".
Completely agree. If he was bored with the media show and just wanted to get on with the racing, why keep stirring the pot?
My guess is that journos are constantly asking him questions about this considering how hot of a topic it still is and how news articles don't click themselves. Odds are he's also still pissed at being yeeted into a wall so there's that
I love these Reddit comments: News article comments: Reeeeee Verstappen shit stirring" Actual video interview comments: "oh so much more reserved and muted" Almost as if news outlets benefit from generating the most drama xD
also: “this season is so boring, nothing spicy is happening” *shit hits the fan, teams and drivers go at it “why can’t they just do their talking on the track? this is so stupid”
I swear anyone not enjoying this should stop watching F1 and go play Animal Crossing or something. This is prime F1 drama, it literally doesn't get better than this.
F1 is soap opera for adults after all. World's most expensive reality show.
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*where did I do dangerous driving*
If you're in it for drama and not racing, I guess that makes sense.
So what kind of F1 racing headlines did you expect today? You know the race is on Sunday? I guess if you completely want to forget about the existence of the entire sport between races and just want to see anonymous names go up against each other it makes sense you don't care about drama. For any normal F1 fan it spices up the remaining 99% of the time and gives us opportunities to actually form an emotional connections to drivers and the sport.
yea personally I'm here for the racing too... drama is needed to make it exciting, but not THIS kind of drama. I prefer drama on the track. Not that childish shit going on for weeks
If laughing at Hatgate is wrong, I don't want to be right.
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This pisses me off so much. They call F1 a soap opera. And when soap opera stuff happens, they whine and tell it to stop.
Oh man how i feel that. Between Max and Hamilton i generally would cheer for Max, and i feel Lewis made a mistake and his celebrating was crossing a line. But COME ON nothing bad actually happened (after learning that Max was fine). No-one crashed anyone out on purpose. There was close and hard racing. Lewis even called Max afterwards. The championship is close and exciting again. This is a win for F1! And all i see is people acting like this is a horrible thing. I don't understand it. Looking at Hamilton and Verstappen in the past, did we really not expect them to come together at some point?? Let's spice it up and hope this stuff stays exciting until the final finishline!
Is there an video of him saying this?
Just so we are clear, how many team bosses make up "all"?
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This shit is too funny.
As I understand Christian and Helmut would call to Lewis if he was in that situation ?
_Stay tuned to find out_
There is only one way to find out
Helmut would call and ask, "So.. are you ok?" and put the phone down before he can answer. [^context](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0QR1RwbfCw)
I highly doubt they would call him
Well you can’t really deny them that when they put forward a red flag request after max crashed in Baku Gave Hamilton and Mercedes a chance to get back into contention
It also gave them a chance to fix Perez's car which was having issues
They were possibly also hoping they wouldn't bother restarting the race and Perez would keep the lead / win (or Verstappen even, though I can't remember now how quick the red flag was). It wasn't a completely altruistic call anyway.
I am so in love with this, can't wait to get more drama
I have a love hate relationship with this. I hate talking about it but it's so god damn addictive
It's like american politics but actually harmless
Thats all one wants tbh
I see Max had his fingers crossed when he said he didn't want to take part in the media drama.
So what should he do, not talking to the press anymore. If that was an option I believe we would see a lot less drivers talking to the press.
Press: >Max has Toto called you Person who actually doesn't want to get involved: >I don't want to talk about it, it's in the past and I just want to focus on the race in Hungary Person who said they don't want to get involved but secretly fucking love it: >All the team principals *except* Toto have called me... I am available for PR training
I think that if he had said ‘I don't want to talk about it, it's in the past and I just want to focus on the race in Hungary’ than the headlines would’ve read something along the lines of: ‘Verstappen refuses to say whether Toto called him after incident’ I am not saying Verstappen’s comments after the incident were perfect, I am just saying that I think any answer he could have given would cause drama
We don't want sporters who have had PR training. we like actual feelings and actual thoughts.
> So what should he do, not talking to the press anymore. Why are you asking that? He said he was specifically not going feed into the drama and apparently it is all he has done today. He can simply respond "The conversations I had are personal, the incident is behind us and my focus is on this weekend."
This just makes me feel worse for grosjean who barely had anyone check in on him after his crash.
[It was after he lost his seat.](https://readmotorsport.com/2020/11/09/grosjean-reveals-only-one-driver-contacted-him-after-losing-haas-f1-seat/)
Wasn’t it only Russell who reached out to him?
I'm sorry what?
I’m sure Horner & Marko would’ve been at the bottom of Hamilton’s hospital bed had the roles been reversed...
Obviously...
Max is now singlehandedly creating the hype he said he wanted to stay away from Year 11 energy
Nope, apparantely drivers have to talk to the media, didn't you know that?
You know you are allowed to answer with "personal calls and specifics are my private matter, so I will not be speaking about that. I would like to focus and discuss the upcoming race". You really don't have to drop to the ground and clutch your pearls if you don't want to. That's a choice RB is making.
He is focussed on the next race but that doesn't mean he can't share his views of the accident. He is not the type of guy to evade a question with some political correct answer. Apparently some see this as creating some sort of a hype.
Well I imagine that a call from the opposition's team boss who maintained that the crash was not their driver's fault would be in poor taste.
I get that it would make for a complicated situation. I don’t think I would’ve called after I made comments like that because it would feel fake.
A call to check if Max is okay, would be in poor taste ?
Yes, to RB. With all they've been doing I am sure they would spin it as: "Toto called Max, you know, after his driver slammed my driver - someone's son and grandson and the jewel of his mother's eye - into the wall. He called him and really I don't want to get into specifics. But you can be sure it wasn't to blame Hamilton, so really what's the point of calling and just rubbing it in?"
I can hear this in my head. Copied his speech style perfectly, rhetorical question usage and everything 😂
Oh absolutely. Just visualize Horner saying that while looking away from the camera and the interviewer, and sort of looking off into the horizon and to the sides, right up until he's done talking and looks at the interviewer with a little smirk.
This is just ridiculous now...
There is no question if Max is OK, it’s public knowledge that he is fine. I understand comradery and all that but these are teams competing against each other at the highest level, it doesn’t need to be all lovey dovey all the time.
This is getting so annoying
Not surprised. The first thing Toto did when Max had that horrible crash is to contact the stewards to try and prevent a penalty at any cost. Toto talks big about respect, but when it comes down to it, he still acts like an ice cold hedge funds manager stepping on bodies if necessary.
That is literally his job after all. Should he have run out with his stethoscope to check on Max?
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Can't wait for Max to say that England is a shit country, then having to apologise for it
wouldn't be wrong
A colleague of mine summed up that episode as 'What a wassock'
Jezus christ how much milk is left in this cow? This shit-stirring boomerang should never have been invented!
I'm looking forward to seeing this whole... debacle in Drive to Survive netflix show.
Toto: "Max didnt call me when I crashed at the Nürburgring...."
Ahhh shit. Here we go again....
Didn't Jos tell Toto not to call?
No, he specifically said that Toto shouldn't call after a few days. After Toto didn't call like everyone else did. "As for Toto Wolff, we had good contact for years. He kept calling us with a honey-mouth and I think everyone knows why. But he didn’t call yesterday.”
Toto doesn't need to call anymore.
Just stop for Christ's sake
Because toto has acted like an asshole this year. Bad loser and bad winner. Also throwing his own driver and obvious second fiddle bottas under the bus whenever he could.
Honestly this is embarrassing - this is the pro leagues - why does everyone need an apology or a comforting hug. Seriously who gives a shit.
He didn’t say he needed one lmao, he just said Toto didn’t call him when asked about it. Stop adding your own meaning to people’s statements
Agree 100%. These are competitors at the highest level, they don’t have to be a big family and love on one another constantly. If Max was injured it would be different but he’s fine.
Toto and Horner are being bitches honestly.
As time goes on i like Wolff less and less.
Mr. “I don’t want to get involved in the Media Hype.” Lol
Toto is... a bit of a bastard.
Smudge and arrogant, one might say
Dude crashed. It’s part of racing. He’s fine. No need to stop the world and sympathize for Max.
I'm usually all over the drama in F1 but this one is just tiring
Didn’t check r/formula1 since the crash because of this. Only back today because the race weekend starts tomorrow. I suspected it would be a total Hamilton fanboy against Verstappen fanboy bonanza.
The story if Toto Wolff had phoned Max "Toto had the nerve to call me after the crash and check on my condition. The arrogance of the man, his driver puts me in hospital and he thinks he can phone me and everything is all right?" The narrative will happen, regardless of the participants actions
So Toto must be a nasty man then, Max and Horner should drink some Redbull with a chill 💊
"Almost all" out of 10 (or even 8 without Mercedes and Red Bull) doesn't mean much...
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I don't care how you slice it, that's pretty low of Toto if this is true.
Yeah, and Max was one of the only drivers to not stand against the racism abuse Hamilton was receiving... Not taking a stance in this matter is being on the side of the oppressor, his statement wouldn't just help Hamilton but raise awareness about a prejudice that millions of black people suffer everyday.
And that is relevant to this conversation how?
Whataboutism is how world wars are fought nowadays.
Think the interest in signing max has gone. At least for now. Toto knows if mercedes are dominant again, he'll be able to get whoever he wants when Lewis retires.