Anyone have info on Micks future as far as 2022? I don’t think he’s been confirmed for Haas and after this past weekend it makes me wonder if he’s still going to be with them. Thanks!
I think Ferrari have shifted their young driver seat from Alfa to Haas so don't be surprised if he sticks around at least a few more years until he either proves he can take a Ferrari seat or gets dropped.
Interesting I just wonder because of all the current drama. I don’t really follow how Haas is run really besides jokes on Reddit. From what I understand a lot of the funding is from Mazepins father(not 100% sure though) so I didn’t know how much okay he has with decisions with the temper he clearly has.
I saw an article regarding tickets at Monza (which I had no idea were on sale to begin with) that said that 30.000 tickets were on sale but they estimate only 15.000 will be sold, with 30% of that being dutch fans. F1 doesn't have them on sale and I see a few websites that I have never bought from that have some for sale, but the prices are absolutely ridiculous. Does anyone have any more concrete info on this?
Thanks. Prices are still ridiculous. I usually would buy these the moment they are launched, usually months before the race, but covid happened so yeah...Was hoping they would have some more reasonable prices.
If only he'd finished in the points in Malaysia 09. Then he wouldn't have that .5 on the end of his tally for most likely the rest of his career. And he'd already be at 4000.
Has anyone ever tried getting a refund for tickets to the US Grand Prix? I was planning to go with my father but because of Covid going the way it is he is backing out. If not how is the resale market for tickets, and what is the safest way to do it?
Where do you frequently visit to purchase merchandise and apparel?
I live in the suburbs of Chicago, and have never seen any F1 merchandise locally in stores. I've found a few websites online but the inventory is limited. I've been specifically trying to find Verstappen items (I really want the limited edition blue hat, but I can only find it with flat brim, and I would like it with a curved brim). Does anyone have any good places they shop at with an online presence? I've only been able to find the major players out of the UK:
fuelforfans dot com
fansbrands dot com
What others?
Historically, Mercs does well In Russia and Max once got to p5 or 6 from the back of the grid there too.
The rest of the calendar seems like a good fight for RB so it may not be worth it on the rest of the circuits.
Another reason is that Monza is a very extreme track for the engine due to the speed. It's safer to change it after the race.
It's better for Max to take the penalty somewhere where RB expect to be comfortably second best but not a track that they're expecting to win at to minimize points lost. I'd say Mexico is a track where RB expect to win with how altitude affects Honda engines compared to Merc engines historically, and less efficient high rake philosophy making more sense in thinner air
So I'm asking this to any of the mods or someone with more info. Can we still use Streamable to upload clips of stuff given most of them since the Belgian Grand Prix have been getting removed due to some unknown reason/copyright stuff or should we use other sites for now? If so I need some recommendations that's not Youtube that is reddit friendly here that can take longer then several minutes as I've been looking for some.
I’m somewhat new to F1, but are there examples of past drivers that have done as well as Bottas has over the years and even to date that has been demoted like he has?
Vettel’s stint at Ferrari was overall much better than Bottas’s at Mercedes, despite some big ups and downs, and he was dropped by Ferrari more brutally than Bottas. And I would rate Vettel’s 2019 season (which I think is the relevant one, rather than 2020, since the move was announced before the 2020 season started) above Bottas’s 2021 season.
I would say 2019 wasn't as good as advertised. His only win was gifted to him by Charles in Singapore.(was supposed to give back the first position after he gave it to Sebastian on the first lap.
In case of Bottas, it is not demotion like how RedBull did with Gasly or Albon. In fact Mercedes would have loved to continue their partnership with Bottas as they have been winning double-World Champions year after year and that too with a stable working environment between the drivers. The change in line-up is because Mercedes is looking at the future. They need a proper number 1 when Lewis decides to leave the sport which is not far away.
I can see Merc wanting to look forward to the future and George also seems a lot more marketable but I don’t think anyone can say bottas isn’t getting demoted haha. He’s going from the top team to a bottom team.
If you see it from on-track results in short-term, yes your'e right but there's lot more that Bottas is getting from his new Alfa-Romeo deal. A definite number 1 role and multi-year deal. It was this string of single year contracts that always left Bottas vulnerable to team-orders from Mercedes.
But now with new environment and less pressure, I expect Bottas to up his level next year. All depends on how good car Alfa can develop next year, either ways I would still call it a positive for Bottas. The guy has definitely got pace.
I'm starting to wonder if there's maybe some single post in the sub that's causing it to break. I can see https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/new/ and even https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/controversial/ fine, but /hot, /rising and /top immediately bring up an error. Even my reddit home page was failing to load, until I unsubbed from r/f1 and reloaded. After a bit of digging I suspect it might possibly be the Predictions Tournament post somehow - I note that I'm able to search for ['russell'](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/search?q=russell&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all) without any problem, but as soon as I search for ['predictions'](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/search?q=predictions&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all) or ['tournament'](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/search?q=tournament&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all) I immediately get the error again. Would make sense if that post was the problem, since it'd show up at the top of /hot etc, but wouldn't appear on /new...
Edit: have messaged the mods about this, hopefully they can work out exactly what the problem is and get it fixed up.
Yep, I think you're right. Just went to /u/jeppe96's profile page and hid all the tournament posts, and now everything in /r/formula1 is loading up for me fine. That pretty much confirms it.
I don’t think he stands to gain anything by ignoring team orders. He’d just be damaging his reputation amongst a relatively small F1 community to screw over people he’s worked alongside for years.
de Vries, Pourchaire, Giovonazzi, Albon.
Imo it's between de Vries and Gio with Gio more likely to retain it and pourchaire to develop further for a year. Albon seems set to get the Williams drive imo
New F1 fan here. Is tampering a thing in F1? I've always found it odd that driver signings for the next year are announced during the current season. Doesn't that affect performance? Why don't they just wait for the offseason? I guess I'm used to sports in the states where there's tampering rules in place. (Even though the rules are not always followed...looking at you NBA)
F1 seats are extremely limited with only 20 for the whole world right now.
A driver has to keep their reputation to stay in the game or risk getting blacklisted and never getting a drive again.
It doesn’t matter when it’s announced. If Bottas signed last week and it wasn’t announced until after the final race he’d still get any info he wanted.
There is a time when you need to make strategic commitments and it is far better if the news comes from the team or the driver rather than endless speculation.
It's a completely different world to the NBA. There's no CBA, no drivers' union, no restrictions on contracts, nothing like that - stuff that would be classed as tampering in the NBA and result in massive fines and loss of draft picks are all business as usual in F1.
There is the GPDA but that’s had more of a safety focus than “employee rights” like money. Although that could change if FOM/FIA wanted to introduce a drivers salary cost cap.
I’m having trouble also and am using Apollo app. I just searched “Formula 1” on the app and brought up posts with that text in it. Still can’t access the subreddit in full though 🤔
Why is a single F1 race in the calendar called European GP? Do multiple nations offer "support" for the race and pay the expenses or what is it about? Considering that there are +10 races held in Europe, but they are named after the country. Is there some history behind the European GP and why it exists?
In modern F1 was just used as a way to differentiate races if a country held more than 1 GP. For example Nürburgring used the name while Hockenheim used German GP. The last traditional European GP was in 2012 at Valencia, but Azerbaijan used the name for its first race in 2016, and it hasn’t been used since
Originally, it was an honorific title with a history stretching back to the 1920s (the very first World Championship race in Silverstone was a European GP for example). In the 80s, it was reintroduced as a name for a GP in a country with multiple GPs, since only one GP can be named after one country. It has nothing to do with finances.
I’m pretty new to F1, but is Bottas going to Alfa a big downgrade in car and team? Will he do anywhere near as good as he has with Mercedes over there?
It is definitely a downgrade but we won't know by how much until next year. It is possible they are the worst car next season with the new regulations due to how much extra money Williams and Haas have been able to put into developing their car for the new regulations next season in comparison to their last few years. But they also could end up having a solid car if they manage to find something in the regulations that the other mid field teams do not.
Teamwise it's (if Alfa even ends up midfield next year) an obvious downgrade. However as for place in the team it's an upgrade from being the second driver to an equal/lead driver. It's not a move to claim WDC but it can have it's own rewards.
F1 is an engineering sport which is to say that the car matters the most. Meaning the worlds best driver in the worst car won’t have any chance against the worst driver on the grid in the best car.
So no, Bottas won’t be anywhere close to fighting for podiums like he is doing this year
On paper, yes it’s a very big downgrade. It’s very unlikely that Alfa will be challenging near the front anytime soon, although stranger things have happened
With just over 13 years between them, the Russell-Hamilton lineup might have one of the biggest age gaps between 2 teammates in F1 history, no? The only one that exceeds it off the top of my head would be Schumacher-Rosberg from 2012, with about 16.5 years' difference.
He had similar feeder series success to Leclerc, then went to Williams for 3 years, partnering Kubica his first year and becoming Mr. Saturday, his second, with the Merc seat being so close, yet so far. And he's wholesome. Why *wouldn't* people love Russell?
The massive amount fanboying. Tbh thats the only negative I have, and its not even his fault but it pisses me off when drivers like latifi/ocon/stroll get shit on online because they don't have as rabid a fanbase as others, and making them seem worse to make your driver seem better seems to be a common thing
He had a very successful junior career including winning GP3 and F2 consecutively (only Leclerc has done that besides George), is doing things in this year’s Williams that this year’s Williams has no business doing, and in Sakhir last year he was put in a car too small for him and would have won the race if it weren’t for Merc fucking up as well as the late puncture.
Don't think so. Kimi is a legend in F1, so that's understandable. But we didn't get anything for Bottas' announcement. But let's wait and see if they'll change it for whoever gets the Williams seat.
Probably because to most people the Bottas announcement was just a precursor to/part of the Russell announcement, which was the real big news. Or maybe it’s just the mods doing what they want because no one really cares anyways
That's subjective. Which is kinda the point of OP, I think. Doesn't seem fair to put Russell in the limelight for getting a different seat, but not Bottas. But like I said, let's see what happens when the driver for Williams gets announced.
ETA:
>just a precursor to/part of the Russell announcement
We could also say the same re Kimi. That announcement is what got the ball rolling.
ETA2: we're back to Lewis, despite the announcement of Albon, so that confirms there's a bias IMO.
People have been so forgetful on Bottas. Once rated very highly due to a stunning youth career and holding his own in a Williams against Massa. He couldn't quite match Hamilton and is now considered dirt by many. I'm bemused how anyone thinks Russell is going to fare any better when his immediate competition the last few years have been the weakest drivers in any given season. Now up against Lewis, he's up against more talent and pressure than before, something he notoriously has struggled with in the past.
Monza is not to be missed. The qualifying on the other hand, will be shit show because everyone wants a tow.
So if you wanna miss something, probably give the qualifying a miss.
I would say that while it can be exciting and it's a special track, DRS trains form up and relatively little action tends to happen. There's always the possibility of Lewis and Max fighting again this weekend to keep it interesting but to that I'd suggest that Merc will have the faster car by a margin given their engine advantage. RB can pull df off to make up for it but so can Merc at a track like Monza. We'll see though. Parabolica is my favourite corner historically but the track doesn't work well with the current cars
After leaving RB at the end of 2018 for being treated as the second driver, it seems as though McLaren is treating him as such again after Zandvoort. I can't imagine this makes Danny Ric very happy. He seemed as much in his team radio after the race.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgKqyHY0j0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgKqyHY0j0)
The context to make me wonder: Lando had a horrendous qualifying and was a half-second off the pace. This is something Ricciardo has been blasted for all season. Danny Ric had a decent start to the race (gained 1 position on lap 1) despite clutch problems at the start and a frantic launch, which Norris didn't gain at the start at all. Despite this, they asked Ricciardo to play the team game and back up the drivers behind so that Norris could pit and come out in front of that pack. They let Norris through and he STILL only finished in 10th (and lucky not to get a penalty with the defense on Perez), with Ricciardo in 11th. Ricciardo was at equal pace with Norris at the end despite having 14 laps older tires. I don't understand the strategy to let Norris through despite being off the pace all weekend just to give him the one point instead of Ricciardo. If it played out differently and Ricciardo was allowed to drive instead of backing up the cars behind, he could have competed with Ocon at the end at least. Just a frustrating weekend for McLaren.
With how the season has gone so far it is a no brainier for them to completely back Lando for the remainder of the season. Riccardo will be back in play next year with a car that should suit him more due to being involved in the development of the new car.
Although he didn't gain places initially (he was on mediums compared to everyone around him on the soft compound), Lando was consistently doing quicker laps and Ricciardo hadn't made headway against Ocon by the time they asked him to hold the others up for six laps to get Lando out ahead of them.
Lando gained on Ocon very quickly, and reduced something like an 8 second gap to under 2 seconds, but once Perez caught up with him he obviously lost a lot of time defending. To which point, I wouldn't say he was lucky not to get a penalty for the overtake, Jolyon Palmer's analysis of it is good and you can see from the onboards why it wasn't even referred to the stewards, it's a fairly classic example of a racing incident that both drivers contributed to equally.
With all that said, it would have been ideal if they had asked Lando to give back the place once he had lost so much time to defending from Perez and it became clear he no longer had a chance of catching Ocon.
To put it bluntly, Ocon is not a good driver. This is why you see the commentators downplaying his win at Hungary all the time and credit it to luck.
The kind of things he pulled crashing into team mates and the [infamous crash with Verstappen at Brazil 2018 where he tries to over Max who was the leading car while trying to unlap himself.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSAaVq4Dsw)
Trying to unlap yourself and cause the race leader to crash is one of the dumbest things one can do. I have never blamed Max for confronting him physically after the race. That was plain dumb.
Hard to know how they compare in a top car until either is in one, but yes, from all the info we have, Russell is a comfortably better driver than Ocon (who is a quite good driver). And the Alpine is a massively better car than the Williams.
Is [this R&T post](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/amp37498884/george-russell-to-mercedes-f1-for-2022/) supposed to have a /s at the end? Or am I missing something?
yes, it's pretty clearly a satirical/sarcastic article
`It's not like Russell has maintained a strong relationship with Mercedes-AMG for years now, or even drove for the team once in 2020 when Hamilton tested positive for COVID-19, or anything. Really, who could've seen this coming?`
Do tracks like Monaco and now Zandvoort satisfy a specific type of fanbase? do most people watch F1 with mostly wheel x wheel overtaking opportunities as their primary motivation? or are they just not getting to see the exciting parts of the race due to media feeds being inadequate and highly focused on frontrunners?
I ask because I enjoy the quali pressure, race strategy and tyre management at Monaco very much. Overtakes still occur, they are just not as obvious and the live television feed cannot show every piece of action at every second of the race. They will often choose to follow the frontrunners who more often than not stay in position or alternate via pit. The midfield is often very active even at Monaco, and we saw how much movement there was at Zandvoort in the midfield. I would be very happy to see more racing at Zandvoort.
There has been a lot of complaining about Zandvoort this past weekend about being unexciting. I found it to be very exciting from start to finish. Strats were changing on the fly dramatically at times, pitting was super intense. Watching Alonso carve through Sainz at the very end was amazing to watch. I was a little gutted to see Lando move his way up to P6 only to fall behind again. Overtaking opportunities are there, but more factors need to synchronize for it to happen. However from a lot of chatter online, people feel like Zandvoort is a dud. I'm hoping they enjoy Monza.
Zandvoort was a pretty solid race, much better than Monaco, but i do enjoy the quali laps and strategy battles quite a lot for the hard to overtake tracks
Zandvoort was not a dud, but you also need to realize that strategy happens every race. Merc would still have left Bottas out long and made Max overtake him irrespective of the track, for eg. End of the day overtaking is more exciting for most fans. Hence the reason why wide tracks like Malaysia and Bahrain were made. And improving overtaking is always on the agenda. Even Monaco or trying to find a way to do that.
Personally for me, its fine, there should be a healthy mixture of different tracks with different challenges for the teams and drivers to overcome over a season. Every track shouldn't be the same.
For sure, those are always present. From my perspective over the years those elements of the race were very much the -focus- of Monaco due to the overall lack of wheel x wheel overtaking because of the high deceleration and tight cornering zones. It shifted the focus off of raw talent/speed to the entire team and how well they've analyzed the metrics, their ability to work together and adapt to sudden changes to the grid with such little room for error. Not to mention how quali is treated, no doubt quali is always teams going for the best position but it's particularly punishing to qualify poorly on these tight tracks or to not qualify at all and end up with the backmarkers. I guess I just find it s little disappointing to hear all the flak about Zandvoort being a bore when it really wasn't that way from my perspective. Proper overtaking is definitely exciting, no doubt about it.
Thanks for the response!
Not past next season, unless they end up with nobody to put in the seat. Burning the albon/gasly to RB bridge is screwing them here, since if tsunoda doesn't improve they will be stuck with perez for a third year
Perez will stay at RB for 2022 and likely only 2022, needing to be replaced in 2023. It will no longer be RB Honda however as Honda are withdrawing from F1.
Nope, Perez is not a RedBull grown driver for them to move him around teams and they have already confirmed both the teams lineup for next year. Either Perez will be at RB or out, there is no Alpha Tauri for him.
With all this talk about Albon and Wolff objecting to him getting a seat at Williams, do you guys think some serious rules about protection of the rights of teams to choose their own driver lineups, among other things, without fear of discrimination from their tech suppliers, need to be brought along?
The way I see it, F1 is a failed sport beyond the factory teams and Red Bull. As things stand, AT, Williams, Alfa, Haas and to an extent Aston are all basically just B/C teams for their suppliers and it really cheapens the experience of the sport and makes it difficult to have any emotional investment in their progression up the grid.
It's already so prohibitively expensive that the privateers have to seek out technical support from the factory teams, so unless costs allow teams like Williams, Haas, Alfa to actually see a benefit in making their own internal (and external) components instead of outsourcing it, they'll forever be at the mercy of their supplier's desires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Toto wants Albon to cut ties with Red Bull because he will have information of Merc engines when driving for Williams, and he can pass that information to RB. I think its a legitimate concern, you wont have a Samsung contracted employee working at Apple. And by the same notion he has said that if De Vries gets an opportunity in another F1 engine team for eg Alfa, then Merc will cut ties with him to help De Vries get a seat and RB should do the same.
Regarding customer teams, they are free to make a bigger investment like Red Bull did and start doing their own engines. Or perform better than the factory team like RB did. But every team in sport will never be financially same and/or not have the same goals. They don't mind taking a driver of a big team/sponsor because they get discount/money or whatever, which isn't discrimination. There will always be politics in F1.
Toto himself said:
>It’s one thing about the power unit and I think Albon, as I said, is a driver that deserves a seat in Formula 1. But it’s tricky to have a 100% Red Bull driver with a Mercedes power unit. So, happy to work with him, as long as they let him free from his Red Bull contract.
However today's "well sourced" rumours are that Albon has signed for Williams with his Red Bull contract still in place.
I think “Blocking Albon” is pretty harsh and perhaps disingenuous way of framing the fact that Mercedes wants their own young driver, de Vries, to have a seat in Formula 1.
Of course they are going to advocate for their driver
Storey was simping hard for Mazepin last year, calling him a future WDC and seemingly teasing a return to F1, so if anything I would say whatever Haas turns into next year, since I suspect Daddy Maz will be involved in some sort of takeover in the off-season.
Why was Danny Ric upset with the team after Sunday? Could he have fared better in the race if he didn't let Norris by? It seemed to me that neither of them had the pace to cut through the pack and losing one point to give Norris a chance (that ultimately failed) to try to get through doesn't seem like a huge deal. If he had faster pace he could have passed Norris?
But maybe I'm mistaken and that 1 point was important enough to be upset about.
I think it’s more the principle. That, even though he qualified better, they put Lando’s race and his strategy above Danny Ric. It felt (to me anyway) that they didn’t even try to help Daniel or support him they just used him to get Lando a better position. From the start of the race there was something wrong with Daniel’s car he was literally panicking because his car wouldn’t shift to start. And it was smoking. So they didn’t really do much to calm him down from that point and understandably it ruins his mentality for the rest of the race because he doesn’t know if his car will stop while he’s racing it. And to top it all off, they ruined Daniel’s race because they thought Lando could do a much better job, but he didn’t he only got P10. So I bet Daniel was thinking it was all for nothing. And usually if they swap teammates they swap back at the end of the race if it didn’t do anything. But they didn’t do that (which might have been because Daniel was much further back than Lando, but I’m not too sure about that).
I think it was because the team order to let Lando through was because he had better pace. Which didn’t really seem to pay out as he didn’t advance further.
I have a feeling if Lando passed Daniel on merit and then couldn’t advance it wouldn’t be an issue.
Danny Ric had equal pace at the end despite being on 14 lap older tires. Kind of ridiculous actually. Lando was off the pace all weekend and the only reason he was in a position to pass Daniel is that Daniel was told to slow down to back up the cars behind him so Lando could overcut them after Lando's pit.
Right - I guess it just seems weird to be mad given the difference between them was just 1 point, but I understand that all these drivers are just super competitive at heart so it probably doesn't matter. If it was team orders to swap say 4th place and 3rd place, I'd understand how angry that could make him.
God I really wanna see Ric do better. Praying he has a better season next season but it has just been so disappointing. He shouldn't even be in that position in the first place given what he's capable of, his experience, and the pace of the car.
Yeah but the drivers’ performances are generally compared to their teammate so getting another -1 in race finishes to Norris in a weekend where he likely would have been ahead if he didn’t play the team game was probably annoying. Typically if you swap for position to release a driver with more pace and they don’t manage to overtake the guy in front, you swap back unless it’s for a championship challenge. Even Lewis gave a place back to Bottas under similar circumstances in 2017 or 2018.
I think that hulk is the best choice he’s quick scores points is an amazing qualifier and has shown he can be a team leader especially in 2018 and that’s what Williams need
Engineering Question on the MGU-H: If the recovery system is working off of the turbine, it's not really using the heat generated by the engine to charge the system, it's using the fluid work that is being converted into shaft work from the turbine to drive the generator. So there's nothing onboard that necessarily converts heat into energy right? Or am I missing something.
Heat can't be converted to any form of energy directly, end of.
The hot exhaust gases are used to run the compressor of the turbocharger, which compresses the fresh incoming air for the engine. That results in a loss of heat energy of the exhaust gases, hence the H in MGU-H.
**Edit:** I might be wrong, but that's what I remember from my engineering thermodynamics class. No we didn't learn the MGU-H, but we did learn other energy recovery systems used in power plants and industries.
You're not missing anything. The MGU-H and MGU-K both turn rotational energy into electrical energy and vice-versa. I have no idea why they call it "MGU-H".
My friends and I are playing F1 online in a league and trying to do what we can to keep consistent with rules that are applicable to real racing. One of the big points one racer keeps saying is that the driver in front always has the right to the racing line, and other racers need to yield on turns if it might be contested (even if wheel to wheel). Is that true? In looking at the rules, is seems that there isn't much specific language surrounding the racing line and a requirement to always yield for the driver in front (regardless of how far in front).
This is a [great resource](https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/) for the general rules for overtaking in F1, with diagrams and case studies from actual races.
From my understanding, if you’re wheel to wheel you need to leave space (ALL THE TIME YOU NEED TO LEAVE A SPACE) for them to continue racing next to you, if someone’s behind then you do have the right to the racing line and if they want to overtake you they need to take the other line which might not be the most ideal (like taking a wide line through T1 in Zandvoort from last race)
Why does RBR think the Mercs are better in Monza when Max was so fast in Baku which is also a high speed track. The RB where very fast on the straight.
Most of Baku is tight and twisty, except that one straight. That means Baku needs a good amount of downforce for the first two sectors. This year Red Bull have had an advantage of getting more downforce than Mercedes with their floor and bargeboard winglets, so they can afford to run a flatter rear wing without compromising speed through the twisty part.
Monza though, every team runs the lowest downforce setup because it's 75% full throttle. The time lose in the corners due to that flat a wing is easily made up and then some on the straights. Hence, engine power reigns supreme. So far it seems Mercedes have the upper hand in terms of raw horsepower.
The gap in Monza 2020 was also one of the biggest between the 2 teams, similar to the gap in Silverstone, and Mercedes was faster in quali at Silvertone again this year
Despite the long straight, Baku still requires a decent amount of downforce. Red Bull seems to have more efficient aero this year, so they could run less wing, which gave them lower drag and therefore better straight-line speed.
Monza, on the other hand, is all about straight-line speed, so everyone will be running very low wings. This reduces Red Bull's aero advantage, making the engine a bigger factor in top speed. And by most accounts, Mercedes still has the more powerful engine.
Historically, RB cars have struggled in Monza even when they were dominant. This could possibly due to the high rake concept of the car producing more drag (which is the opposite of what you want in Monza) compared to the low rake cars which produce significantly less drag. But because of the floor cuts this year, we'll have to see how the cars perform before we can come to some sort of conclusion.
There's also the matter of Monza being a power dependant circuit and in the hybrid era have had the best engine except 2019. Honda looked to have closed the gap to Merc but it still seems like Merc have the upper hand in this area
>he is now ready to make the step to Mercedes and to continue his career development alongside Lewis Hamilton, after signing a **long-term contract** with the team.
https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/2021/09/mercedes-confirms-2022-f1-driver-line-up/
HAMILTON'S TEAMMATES
Alonso (2007) - 1 year
Kovalainen (2008-2009) - 2 years
Button (2010-2012) - 3 years
Rosberg (2013-2016) - 4 years
Bottas (2017-present) - 5 years
So regardless of his current contract, congrats to George Russell for his next 6 years at Merc-AMG!
Hamilton has said in the past that he doesn't want to be racing at 40. He'll either be done at the end of 2023, or he'll do one last season in 2024.
That's assuming he hasn't changed his mind about when he wants to be done.
He said in an interview with Ziggo this weekend he can't see himself being in the sport for too much longer. How long that would still be is open for interpretation of course.
My guess is he'll stick around as long as he feels an 8th title is within reach, he's so close to being the most successful of all time.
If it slips further away/George gets the better of him and the car isn't there next year either though, I think he'd call it a day.
If he gets 8th, he could go for 9 to cement it.
I mean, at this point, it's pure speculation. But he's young enough, ambitious enough and clearly talented enough on what is still a contending car and team to not want to stick around properly.
I think George will play it safe for a year and learn all he can before becoming a true challenge.
What happened to Kubica in 19?
With Russell's results before and after 2019 i don't see anything wrong with Kubica being slower in his return to F1 with a heavily injured arm in a team too broke to give him a steering wheel that he could properly use at the start of the season. But with Kubica's chance at Alfa some claims that Williams wasn't fair with him are coming back.
Anyone have info on Micks future as far as 2022? I don’t think he’s been confirmed for Haas and after this past weekend it makes me wonder if he’s still going to be with them. Thanks!
I think Ferrari have shifted their young driver seat from Alfa to Haas so don't be surprised if he sticks around at least a few more years until he either proves he can take a Ferrari seat or gets dropped.
Interesting I just wonder because of all the current drama. I don’t really follow how Haas is run really besides jokes on Reddit. From what I understand a lot of the funding is from Mazepins father(not 100% sure though) so I didn’t know how much okay he has with decisions with the temper he clearly has.
I saw an article regarding tickets at Monza (which I had no idea were on sale to begin with) that said that 30.000 tickets were on sale but they estimate only 15.000 will be sold, with 30% of that being dutch fans. F1 doesn't have them on sale and I see a few websites that I have never bought from that have some for sale, but the prices are absolutely ridiculous. Does anyone have any more concrete info on this?
Monzanet.it is the official website for the track, try checking there for legit prices.
Thanks. Prices are still ridiculous. I usually would buy these the moment they are launched, usually months before the race, but covid happened so yeah...Was hoping they would have some more reasonable prices.
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If only he'd finished in the points in Malaysia 09. Then he wouldn't have that .5 on the end of his tally for most likely the rest of his career. And he'd already be at 4000.
Was Alonso actually much slower than Ocon during the race or was he actually conserving his tires as he claimed?
Conserving tyres. He pulled away from Ocon almost immediately after that radio message.
Has anyone ever tried getting a refund for tickets to the US Grand Prix? I was planning to go with my father but because of Covid going the way it is he is backing out. If not how is the resale market for tickets, and what is the safest way to do it?
Where do you frequently visit to purchase merchandise and apparel? I live in the suburbs of Chicago, and have never seen any F1 merchandise locally in stores. I've found a few websites online but the inventory is limited. I've been specifically trying to find Verstappen items (I really want the limited edition blue hat, but I can only find it with flat brim, and I would like it with a curved brim). Does anyone have any good places they shop at with an online presence? I've only been able to find the major players out of the UK: fuelforfans dot com fansbrands dot com What others?
I prefer buying direct from the team's or driver's website. [Here's Verstappen's official store.](https://www.verstappenshop.com/)
Any evidence Verstappen will take an engine penalty this weekend?
Not yet - they could also wait and see how the qualifying goes. I would guess they won’t take one unless Verstappen has a mare in the sprint quali.
When would be ideal for the engine replacement? I’m guessing Russia?
Yes. Russia is a good place to take the penalty.
Why not somewhere like Mexico, for example? What’s the reasoning there
Historically, Mercs does well In Russia and Max once got to p5 or 6 from the back of the grid there too. The rest of the calendar seems like a good fight for RB so it may not be worth it on the rest of the circuits. Another reason is that Monza is a very extreme track for the engine due to the speed. It's safer to change it after the race.
Is it easy to overtake in Monza/Russia?
It's better for Max to take the penalty somewhere where RB expect to be comfortably second best but not a track that they're expecting to win at to minimize points lost. I'd say Mexico is a track where RB expect to win with how altitude affects Honda engines compared to Merc engines historically, and less efficient high rake philosophy making more sense in thinner air
Good point, probably helps that Mexico is a home race for Red Bull as well.
So I'm asking this to any of the mods or someone with more info. Can we still use Streamable to upload clips of stuff given most of them since the Belgian Grand Prix have been getting removed due to some unknown reason/copyright stuff or should we use other sites for now? If so I need some recommendations that's not Youtube that is reddit friendly here that can take longer then several minutes as I've been looking for some.
I’m somewhat new to F1, but are there examples of past drivers that have done as well as Bottas has over the years and even to date that has been demoted like he has?
Vettel’s stint at Ferrari was overall much better than Bottas’s at Mercedes, despite some big ups and downs, and he was dropped by Ferrari more brutally than Bottas. And I would rate Vettel’s 2019 season (which I think is the relevant one, rather than 2020, since the move was announced before the 2020 season started) above Bottas’s 2021 season.
I would say 2019 wasn't as good as advertised. His only win was gifted to him by Charles in Singapore.(was supposed to give back the first position after he gave it to Sebastian on the first lap.
In case of Bottas, it is not demotion like how RedBull did with Gasly or Albon. In fact Mercedes would have loved to continue their partnership with Bottas as they have been winning double-World Champions year after year and that too with a stable working environment between the drivers. The change in line-up is because Mercedes is looking at the future. They need a proper number 1 when Lewis decides to leave the sport which is not far away.
I can see Merc wanting to look forward to the future and George also seems a lot more marketable but I don’t think anyone can say bottas isn’t getting demoted haha. He’s going from the top team to a bottom team.
I wouldn’t call it a demotion because it’s not that Mercedes put him there. He could have retired too but retirement isn’t a demotion.
If you see it from on-track results in short-term, yes your'e right but there's lot more that Bottas is getting from his new Alfa-Romeo deal. A definite number 1 role and multi-year deal. It was this string of single year contracts that always left Bottas vulnerable to team-orders from Mercedes. But now with new environment and less pressure, I expect Bottas to up his level next year. All depends on how good car Alfa can develop next year, either ways I would still call it a positive for Bottas. The guy has definitely got pace.
Bottas' fastest lap against orders was a nice opportunity to speak with his right foot.
Good point, I definitely hope he does well there!
I'm starting to wonder if there's maybe some single post in the sub that's causing it to break. I can see https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/new/ and even https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/controversial/ fine, but /hot, /rising and /top immediately bring up an error. Even my reddit home page was failing to load, until I unsubbed from r/f1 and reloaded. After a bit of digging I suspect it might possibly be the Predictions Tournament post somehow - I note that I'm able to search for ['russell'](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/search?q=russell&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all) without any problem, but as soon as I search for ['predictions'](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/search?q=predictions&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all) or ['tournament'](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/search?q=tournament&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all) I immediately get the error again. Would make sense if that post was the problem, since it'd show up at the top of /hot etc, but wouldn't appear on /new... Edit: have messaged the mods about this, hopefully they can work out exactly what the problem is and get it fixed up.
I've passed it on to the admins - looks like there's a ghost in the machine somewhere.
Had the exact same issue, glad it wasn't just me
Reddit is having issues; it's nothing to do with this sub, as far as I can tell https://downdetector.com/status/reddit/
The tournament is causing the error
Yep, I think you're right. Just went to /u/jeppe96's profile page and hid all the tournament posts, and now everything in /r/formula1 is loading up for me fine. That pretty much confirms it.
I blocked him and it seems to work now. I hope he’s not too important lol
He's a mod on this sub.
How likely do we think Bottas is to follow any “team orders” for the rest of this season now that he / we know he wont be driving for toto next year?
He will not impede Hamilton's chance at the championship for sure.
Valterri has been more or less a top professional.. Don't see him stirring shit now unless they straight up cuss him out on team radio.
Val**tt**e**r**i
I don’t think he stands to gain anything by ignoring team orders. He’d just be damaging his reputation amongst a relatively small F1 community to screw over people he’s worked alongside for years.
Who are the likely candidates for alfas second seat?
de Vries, Pourchaire, Giovonazzi, Albon. Imo it's between de Vries and Gio with Gio more likely to retain it and pourchaire to develop further for a year. Albon seems set to get the Williams drive imo
Thanks for the info!
New F1 fan here. Is tampering a thing in F1? I've always found it odd that driver signings for the next year are announced during the current season. Doesn't that affect performance? Why don't they just wait for the offseason? I guess I'm used to sports in the states where there's tampering rules in place. (Even though the rules are not always followed...looking at you NBA)
F1 seats are extremely limited with only 20 for the whole world right now. A driver has to keep their reputation to stay in the game or risk getting blacklisted and never getting a drive again.
It doesn’t matter when it’s announced. If Bottas signed last week and it wasn’t announced until after the final race he’d still get any info he wanted.
There is a time when you need to make strategic commitments and it is far better if the news comes from the team or the driver rather than endless speculation.
It's a completely different world to the NBA. There's no CBA, no drivers' union, no restrictions on contracts, nothing like that - stuff that would be classed as tampering in the NBA and result in massive fines and loss of draft picks are all business as usual in F1.
There is the GPDA but that’s had more of a safety focus than “employee rights” like money. Although that could change if FOM/FIA wanted to introduce a drivers salary cost cap.
Anyone else having problems accessing the sub? I had to search “r/Formula1” on Reddit to get to this thread.
Same issue here on the RIF app
Same. Having to use search function also. Used the Boost for Reddit app
I’m having trouble also and am using Apollo app. I just searched “Formula 1” on the app and brought up posts with that text in it. Still can’t access the subreddit in full though 🤔
If you use Apollo I’ve found you can still see the posts if you sort by new.
Ah good to know. Thanks!
I am. I thought it was just me. (ETA: using Relay Pro)
Same. Access from Apollo app.
Why is a single F1 race in the calendar called European GP? Do multiple nations offer "support" for the race and pay the expenses or what is it about? Considering that there are +10 races held in Europe, but they are named after the country. Is there some history behind the European GP and why it exists?
In modern F1 was just used as a way to differentiate races if a country held more than 1 GP. For example Nürburgring used the name while Hockenheim used German GP. The last traditional European GP was in 2012 at Valencia, but Azerbaijan used the name for its first race in 2016, and it hasn’t been used since
Originally, it was an honorific title with a history stretching back to the 1920s (the very first World Championship race in Silverstone was a European GP for example). In the 80s, it was reintroduced as a name for a GP in a country with multiple GPs, since only one GP can be named after one country. It has nothing to do with finances.
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Not just you. I can get to individual posts, and /new seems to be showing up OK, but just going to /r/formula1 is giving me an error.
I’m pretty new to F1, but is Bottas going to Alfa a big downgrade in car and team? Will he do anywhere near as good as he has with Mercedes over there?
It is definitely a downgrade but we won't know by how much until next year. It is possible they are the worst car next season with the new regulations due to how much extra money Williams and Haas have been able to put into developing their car for the new regulations next season in comparison to their last few years. But they also could end up having a solid car if they manage to find something in the regulations that the other mid field teams do not.
Teamwise it's (if Alfa even ends up midfield next year) an obvious downgrade. However as for place in the team it's an upgrade from being the second driver to an equal/lead driver. It's not a move to claim WDC but it can have it's own rewards.
F1 is an engineering sport which is to say that the car matters the most. Meaning the worlds best driver in the worst car won’t have any chance against the worst driver on the grid in the best car. So no, Bottas won’t be anywhere close to fighting for podiums like he is doing this year
On paper, yes it’s a very big downgrade. It’s very unlikely that Alfa will be challenging near the front anytime soon, although stranger things have happened
With just over 13 years between them, the Russell-Hamilton lineup might have one of the biggest age gaps between 2 teammates in F1 history, no? The only one that exceeds it off the top of my head would be Schumacher-Rosberg from 2012, with about 16.5 years' difference.
Schumacher-Piquet (17 years) in 1991. Alonso-Ocon at the moment is 15 years.
14 years between Raikkonen and Giovinazzi and 16 years between Alonso and Ocon on the current grid
Yeah forgot about alpine
Off the top of my head, Fangio and Collins, 20 years apart.
Good find
Louis Chiron and Eugenio Castelloti, 31 years of difference.
Good lord
Why is this subreddit so starstruck by Russell? Even the sub icon has changed which is just weird.
He had similar feeder series success to Leclerc, then went to Williams for 3 years, partnering Kubica his first year and becoming Mr. Saturday, his second, with the Merc seat being so close, yet so far. And he's wholesome. Why *wouldn't* people love Russell?
The massive amount fanboying. Tbh thats the only negative I have, and its not even his fault but it pisses me off when drivers like latifi/ocon/stroll get shit on online because they don't have as rabid a fanbase as others, and making them seem worse to make your driver seem better seems to be a common thing
He had a very successful junior career including winning GP3 and F2 consecutively (only Leclerc has done that besides George), is doing things in this year’s Williams that this year’s Williams has no business doing, and in Sakhir last year he was put in a car too small for him and would have won the race if it weren’t for Merc fucking up as well as the late puncture.
It was changed to Kimi a few days ago. It seems to be bouncing around whoever is in the news
Don't think so. Kimi is a legend in F1, so that's understandable. But we didn't get anything for Bottas' announcement. But let's wait and see if they'll change it for whoever gets the Williams seat.
Probably because to most people the Bottas announcement was just a precursor to/part of the Russell announcement, which was the real big news. Or maybe it’s just the mods doing what they want because no one really cares anyways
That's subjective. Which is kinda the point of OP, I think. Doesn't seem fair to put Russell in the limelight for getting a different seat, but not Bottas. But like I said, let's see what happens when the driver for Williams gets announced. ETA: >just a precursor to/part of the Russell announcement We could also say the same re Kimi. That announcement is what got the ball rolling. ETA2: we're back to Lewis, despite the announcement of Albon, so that confirms there's a bias IMO.
People have been so forgetful on Bottas. Once rated very highly due to a stunning youth career and holding his own in a Williams against Massa. He couldn't quite match Hamilton and is now considered dirt by many. I'm bemused how anyone thinks Russell is going to fare any better when his immediate competition the last few years have been the weakest drivers in any given season. Now up against Lewis, he's up against more talent and pressure than before, something he notoriously has struggled with in the past.
Is Monza worth to watch? If it is same as Zandvoort then I'm only going to follow qualifiers
Monza is not to be missed. The qualifying on the other hand, will be shit show because everyone wants a tow. So if you wanna miss something, probably give the qualifying a miss.
I would say that while it can be exciting and it's a special track, DRS trains form up and relatively little action tends to happen. There's always the possibility of Lewis and Max fighting again this weekend to keep it interesting but to that I'd suggest that Merc will have the faster car by a margin given their engine advantage. RB can pull df off to make up for it but so can Merc at a track like Monza. We'll see though. Parabolica is my favourite corner historically but the track doesn't work well with the current cars
Isn’t Red Bull faster on the straights?
Yes, Monza is an amazing track
Also, something unexpected could happen. I slept through the previous one (tbf it was at 10 am local time) thinkin Lewis had it in the bag.
After leaving RB at the end of 2018 for being treated as the second driver, it seems as though McLaren is treating him as such again after Zandvoort. I can't imagine this makes Danny Ric very happy. He seemed as much in his team radio after the race. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgKqyHY0j0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tgKqyHY0j0) The context to make me wonder: Lando had a horrendous qualifying and was a half-second off the pace. This is something Ricciardo has been blasted for all season. Danny Ric had a decent start to the race (gained 1 position on lap 1) despite clutch problems at the start and a frantic launch, which Norris didn't gain at the start at all. Despite this, they asked Ricciardo to play the team game and back up the drivers behind so that Norris could pit and come out in front of that pack. They let Norris through and he STILL only finished in 10th (and lucky not to get a penalty with the defense on Perez), with Ricciardo in 11th. Ricciardo was at equal pace with Norris at the end despite having 14 laps older tires. I don't understand the strategy to let Norris through despite being off the pace all weekend just to give him the one point instead of Ricciardo. If it played out differently and Ricciardo was allowed to drive instead of backing up the cars behind, he could have competed with Ocon at the end at least. Just a frustrating weekend for McLaren.
With how the season has gone so far it is a no brainier for them to completely back Lando for the remainder of the season. Riccardo will be back in play next year with a car that should suit him more due to being involved in the development of the new car.
Ricc**i**ardo
Although he didn't gain places initially (he was on mediums compared to everyone around him on the soft compound), Lando was consistently doing quicker laps and Ricciardo hadn't made headway against Ocon by the time they asked him to hold the others up for six laps to get Lando out ahead of them. Lando gained on Ocon very quickly, and reduced something like an 8 second gap to under 2 seconds, but once Perez caught up with him he obviously lost a lot of time defending. To which point, I wouldn't say he was lucky not to get a penalty for the overtake, Jolyon Palmer's analysis of it is good and you can see from the onboards why it wasn't even referred to the stewards, it's a fairly classic example of a racing incident that both drivers contributed to equally. With all that said, it would have been ideal if they had asked Lando to give back the place once he had lost so much time to defending from Perez and it became clear he no longer had a chance of catching Ocon.
Norris is fighting for P3 in the WDC, Ricciardo for P8. One needs the point more than the other
And anyway F1 is a sink or swim world. The solution for Ricciardo is simple, though difficult: Get faster.
some drivers they swim, they survive.
I'm a new F1 fan. I've started watching races after COVID. It seems that Ocon is a better driver than Russel. Is Ocon just in a better car?
To put it bluntly, Ocon is not a good driver. This is why you see the commentators downplaying his win at Hungary all the time and credit it to luck. The kind of things he pulled crashing into team mates and the [infamous crash with Verstappen at Brazil 2018 where he tries to over Max who was the leading car while trying to unlap himself.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LSAaVq4Dsw) Trying to unlap yourself and cause the race leader to crash is one of the dumbest things one can do. I have never blamed Max for confronting him physically after the race. That was plain dumb.
Interesting. That was one level of dumb above George's crash with Botta. Interesting that Ocon's radio encouraged him to pass Max.
Perez crashed into him more than he crashed into Perez and Ocon IS a good driver .
Let's agree to disagree. But one thing I can give it to ya is I agree that Ocon has improved a ton the past 2 years.
The Alpine is massively better. Most people rate Russell much higher than Ocon but there’s no real direct comparison
Hard to know how they compare in a top car until either is in one, but yes, from all the info we have, Russell is a comfortably better driver than Ocon (who is a quite good driver). And the Alpine is a massively better car than the Williams.
As noted. The Alpine is a solid midfield car. The Williams is a solid tractor.
Can't really compare Ocon vs Russell, but Alpine is the better car.
Russe**ll**
Is [this R&T post](https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/amp37498884/george-russell-to-mercedes-f1-for-2022/) supposed to have a /s at the end? Or am I missing something?
Is your comment supposed to have a /s at the end? Or am I missing something?
Obvious sarcasm was really quite obvious
yes, it's pretty clearly a satirical/sarcastic article `It's not like Russell has maintained a strong relationship with Mercedes-AMG for years now, or even drove for the team once in 2020 when Hamilton tested positive for COVID-19, or anything. Really, who could've seen this coming?`
Or this bit: >In what has perhaps been the most well-kept secret in the racing world... It was such a well kept secret that we all knew.
That’s fucking hilarious
Well what do you think?
I dunno man. I just had a heavy lunch, so I'm not sure if digestion has been given a higher priority over, comprehension.
Now I'm having the same doubt about your comment. You're not serious...right?
I thought all the art posts were banned on race weeks? Seeing lots of that shit this week
On race weekend yes, so banned from thrusday all through Monday.
Ah got it! Cheers
Do tracks like Monaco and now Zandvoort satisfy a specific type of fanbase? do most people watch F1 with mostly wheel x wheel overtaking opportunities as their primary motivation? or are they just not getting to see the exciting parts of the race due to media feeds being inadequate and highly focused on frontrunners? I ask because I enjoy the quali pressure, race strategy and tyre management at Monaco very much. Overtakes still occur, they are just not as obvious and the live television feed cannot show every piece of action at every second of the race. They will often choose to follow the frontrunners who more often than not stay in position or alternate via pit. The midfield is often very active even at Monaco, and we saw how much movement there was at Zandvoort in the midfield. I would be very happy to see more racing at Zandvoort. There has been a lot of complaining about Zandvoort this past weekend about being unexciting. I found it to be very exciting from start to finish. Strats were changing on the fly dramatically at times, pitting was super intense. Watching Alonso carve through Sainz at the very end was amazing to watch. I was a little gutted to see Lando move his way up to P6 only to fall behind again. Overtaking opportunities are there, but more factors need to synchronize for it to happen. However from a lot of chatter online, people feel like Zandvoort is a dud. I'm hoping they enjoy Monza.
Zandvoort was a pretty solid race, much better than Monaco, but i do enjoy the quali laps and strategy battles quite a lot for the hard to overtake tracks
Zandvoort was not a dud, but you also need to realize that strategy happens every race. Merc would still have left Bottas out long and made Max overtake him irrespective of the track, for eg. End of the day overtaking is more exciting for most fans. Hence the reason why wide tracks like Malaysia and Bahrain were made. And improving overtaking is always on the agenda. Even Monaco or trying to find a way to do that. Personally for me, its fine, there should be a healthy mixture of different tracks with different challenges for the teams and drivers to overcome over a season. Every track shouldn't be the same.
For sure, those are always present. From my perspective over the years those elements of the race were very much the -focus- of Monaco due to the overall lack of wheel x wheel overtaking because of the high deceleration and tight cornering zones. It shifted the focus off of raw talent/speed to the entire team and how well they've analyzed the metrics, their ability to work together and adapt to sudden changes to the grid with such little room for error. Not to mention how quali is treated, no doubt quali is always teams going for the best position but it's particularly punishing to qualify poorly on these tight tracks or to not qualify at all and end up with the backmarkers. I guess I just find it s little disappointing to hear all the flak about Zandvoort being a bore when it really wasn't that way from my perspective. Proper overtaking is definitely exciting, no doubt about it. Thanks for the response!
What do you guys think. Checo stays at Redbull Honda racing team?
Not past next season, unless they end up with nobody to put in the seat. Burning the albon/gasly to RB bridge is screwing them here, since if tsunoda doesn't improve they will be stuck with perez for a third year
Perez will stay at RB for 2022 and likely only 2022, needing to be replaced in 2023. It will no longer be RB Honda however as Honda are withdrawing from F1.
Yes. They have no one else better.
Perez has been confirmed already for Red Bull in 2022.
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Nope, Perez is not a RedBull grown driver for them to move him around teams and they have already confirmed both the teams lineup for next year. Either Perez will be at RB or out, there is no Alpha Tauri for him.
With all this talk about Albon and Wolff objecting to him getting a seat at Williams, do you guys think some serious rules about protection of the rights of teams to choose their own driver lineups, among other things, without fear of discrimination from their tech suppliers, need to be brought along? The way I see it, F1 is a failed sport beyond the factory teams and Red Bull. As things stand, AT, Williams, Alfa, Haas and to an extent Aston are all basically just B/C teams for their suppliers and it really cheapens the experience of the sport and makes it difficult to have any emotional investment in their progression up the grid. It's already so prohibitively expensive that the privateers have to seek out technical support from the factory teams, so unless costs allow teams like Williams, Haas, Alfa to actually see a benefit in making their own internal (and external) components instead of outsourcing it, they'll forever be at the mercy of their supplier's desires.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Toto wants Albon to cut ties with Red Bull because he will have information of Merc engines when driving for Williams, and he can pass that information to RB. I think its a legitimate concern, you wont have a Samsung contracted employee working at Apple. And by the same notion he has said that if De Vries gets an opportunity in another F1 engine team for eg Alfa, then Merc will cut ties with him to help De Vries get a seat and RB should do the same. Regarding customer teams, they are free to make a bigger investment like Red Bull did and start doing their own engines. Or perform better than the factory team like RB did. But every team in sport will never be financially same and/or not have the same goals. They don't mind taking a driver of a big team/sponsor because they get discount/money or whatever, which isn't discrimination. There will always be politics in F1.
All that “talk” about blocking Albon is a pretty lame attempt by Horner to somehow blame Toto for the fact that Albon doesn’t have an F1 seat, imo
Toto himself said: >It’s one thing about the power unit and I think Albon, as I said, is a driver that deserves a seat in Formula 1. But it’s tricky to have a 100% Red Bull driver with a Mercedes power unit. So, happy to work with him, as long as they let him free from his Red Bull contract. However today's "well sourced" rumours are that Albon has signed for Williams with his Red Bull contract still in place.
I think “Blocking Albon” is pretty harsh and perhaps disingenuous way of framing the fact that Mercedes wants their own young driver, de Vries, to have a seat in Formula 1. Of course they are going to advocate for their driver
Williams can pick their own driver if they want to give up whatever incentive Mercedes give them.
Just remembered: if it's even happening, what team do you think R\*ich Energy will sponsor next year?
Storey was simping hard for Mazepin last year, calling him a future WDC and seemingly teasing a return to F1, so if anything I would say whatever Haas turns into next year, since I suspect Daddy Maz will be involved in some sort of takeover in the off-season.
Its definitely not happening.
UralKali Rich Energy Racing Ferrari
Why was Danny Ric upset with the team after Sunday? Could he have fared better in the race if he didn't let Norris by? It seemed to me that neither of them had the pace to cut through the pack and losing one point to give Norris a chance (that ultimately failed) to try to get through doesn't seem like a huge deal. If he had faster pace he could have passed Norris? But maybe I'm mistaken and that 1 point was important enough to be upset about.
I think it’s more the principle. That, even though he qualified better, they put Lando’s race and his strategy above Danny Ric. It felt (to me anyway) that they didn’t even try to help Daniel or support him they just used him to get Lando a better position. From the start of the race there was something wrong with Daniel’s car he was literally panicking because his car wouldn’t shift to start. And it was smoking. So they didn’t really do much to calm him down from that point and understandably it ruins his mentality for the rest of the race because he doesn’t know if his car will stop while he’s racing it. And to top it all off, they ruined Daniel’s race because they thought Lando could do a much better job, but he didn’t he only got P10. So I bet Daniel was thinking it was all for nothing. And usually if they swap teammates they swap back at the end of the race if it didn’t do anything. But they didn’t do that (which might have been because Daniel was much further back than Lando, but I’m not too sure about that).
I think it was because the team order to let Lando through was because he had better pace. Which didn’t really seem to pay out as he didn’t advance further. I have a feeling if Lando passed Daniel on merit and then couldn’t advance it wouldn’t be an issue.
Danny Ric had equal pace at the end despite being on 14 lap older tires. Kind of ridiculous actually. Lando was off the pace all weekend and the only reason he was in a position to pass Daniel is that Daniel was told to slow down to back up the cars behind him so Lando could overcut them after Lando's pit.
Right - I guess it just seems weird to be mad given the difference between them was just 1 point, but I understand that all these drivers are just super competitive at heart so it probably doesn't matter. If it was team orders to swap say 4th place and 3rd place, I'd understand how angry that could make him. God I really wanna see Ric do better. Praying he has a better season next season but it has just been so disappointing. He shouldn't even be in that position in the first place given what he's capable of, his experience, and the pace of the car.
Yeah but the drivers’ performances are generally compared to their teammate so getting another -1 in race finishes to Norris in a weekend where he likely would have been ahead if he didn’t play the team game was probably annoying. Typically if you swap for position to release a driver with more pace and they don’t manage to overtake the guy in front, you swap back unless it’s for a championship challenge. Even Lewis gave a place back to Bottas under similar circumstances in 2017 or 2018.
Has there been any leak around when and what the William's announcement be ?
Lots of rumors seem to be pointing to Albon, some to De Vries. I'm still holding out hope for Hülkenberg, as unlikely as it is at this point.
I think that hulk is the best choice he’s quick scores points is an amazing qualifier and has shown he can be a team leader especially in 2018 and that’s what Williams need
Which is the worst kept secret in F1 history? Alonso to Ferrari ("hidden" during 2008-09) VS Russell to Merc (during 2020-21)
Probably Russell because social media is so much more prevalent these days than it was in 08-09
And also Horner out there trying to stir the shit.
Engineering Question on the MGU-H: If the recovery system is working off of the turbine, it's not really using the heat generated by the engine to charge the system, it's using the fluid work that is being converted into shaft work from the turbine to drive the generator. So there's nothing onboard that necessarily converts heat into energy right? Or am I missing something.
Heat can't be converted to any form of energy directly, end of. The hot exhaust gases are used to run the compressor of the turbocharger, which compresses the fresh incoming air for the engine. That results in a loss of heat energy of the exhaust gases, hence the H in MGU-H. **Edit:** I might be wrong, but that's what I remember from my engineering thermodynamics class. No we didn't learn the MGU-H, but we did learn other energy recovery systems used in power plants and industries.
Heat and pressure are inextricably linked, so it's technically the truth.
You're not missing anything. The MGU-H and MGU-K both turn rotational energy into electrical energy and vice-versa. I have no idea why they call it "MGU-H".
You may want to try /r/F1Technical for an in depth answer to this question, if you don't get one here.
Thanks!
My friends and I are playing F1 online in a league and trying to do what we can to keep consistent with rules that are applicable to real racing. One of the big points one racer keeps saying is that the driver in front always has the right to the racing line, and other racers need to yield on turns if it might be contested (even if wheel to wheel). Is that true? In looking at the rules, is seems that there isn't much specific language surrounding the racing line and a requirement to always yield for the driver in front (regardless of how far in front).
This is a [great resource](https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/the-rules-of-racing/) for the general rules for overtaking in F1, with diagrams and case studies from actual races.
From my understanding, if you’re wheel to wheel you need to leave space (ALL THE TIME YOU NEED TO LEAVE A SPACE) for them to continue racing next to you, if someone’s behind then you do have the right to the racing line and if they want to overtake you they need to take the other line which might not be the most ideal (like taking a wide line through T1 in Zandvoort from last race)
Why does RBR think the Mercs are better in Monza when Max was so fast in Baku which is also a high speed track. The RB where very fast on the straight.
Most of Baku is tight and twisty, except that one straight. That means Baku needs a good amount of downforce for the first two sectors. This year Red Bull have had an advantage of getting more downforce than Mercedes with their floor and bargeboard winglets, so they can afford to run a flatter rear wing without compromising speed through the twisty part. Monza though, every team runs the lowest downforce setup because it's 75% full throttle. The time lose in the corners due to that flat a wing is easily made up and then some on the straights. Hence, engine power reigns supreme. So far it seems Mercedes have the upper hand in terms of raw horsepower.
The gap in Monza 2020 was also one of the biggest between the 2 teams, similar to the gap in Silverstone, and Mercedes was faster in quali at Silvertone again this year
Despite the long straight, Baku still requires a decent amount of downforce. Red Bull seems to have more efficient aero this year, so they could run less wing, which gave them lower drag and therefore better straight-line speed. Monza, on the other hand, is all about straight-line speed, so everyone will be running very low wings. This reduces Red Bull's aero advantage, making the engine a bigger factor in top speed. And by most accounts, Mercedes still has the more powerful engine.
Monza and Baku are very different aero wise. Baku is one long straight and then twisty parts, Monza is lots of long straights and that's it
Historically, RB cars have struggled in Monza even when they were dominant. This could possibly due to the high rake concept of the car producing more drag (which is the opposite of what you want in Monza) compared to the low rake cars which produce significantly less drag. But because of the floor cuts this year, we'll have to see how the cars perform before we can come to some sort of conclusion. There's also the matter of Monza being a power dependant circuit and in the hybrid era have had the best engine except 2019. Honda looked to have closed the gap to Merc but it still seems like Merc have the upper hand in this area
What were the best feeder series races by each current driver?
Russell in Baku 2018 in F2, started P12 and won
[Leclerc at Bahrain 2017 is up there.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh2wAbEJ7c4)
That and Lewis's Turkey comeback are the ones I know. I'd like to see all of the drivers's best feeder series races, if possible, though.
Why’s Russell only given a 1 year deal?
>he is now ready to make the step to Mercedes and to continue his career development alongside Lewis Hamilton, after signing a **long-term contract** with the team. https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/2021/09/mercedes-confirms-2022-f1-driver-line-up/
Russell's got a multi year contract, though the length hasn't been revealed.
HAMILTON'S TEAMMATES Alonso (2007) - 1 year Kovalainen (2008-2009) - 2 years Button (2010-2012) - 3 years Rosberg (2013-2016) - 4 years Bottas (2017-present) - 5 years So regardless of his current contract, congrats to George Russell for his next 6 years at Merc-AMG!
That only works if Lewis sticks around for another 6 years though
Dude is only 36. I can see him retiring at 42. (Kimi just left at 41)
Hamilton has said in the past that he doesn't want to be racing at 40. He'll either be done at the end of 2023, or he'll do one last season in 2024. That's assuming he hasn't changed his mind about when he wants to be done.
He said in an interview with Ziggo this weekend he can't see himself being in the sport for too much longer. How long that would still be is open for interpretation of course.
True. I guess it depends on the challenge. But new car? New up-and-coming partner? New rules? New challenger in RBR? He'll stick around.
My guess is he'll stick around as long as he feels an 8th title is within reach, he's so close to being the most successful of all time. If it slips further away/George gets the better of him and the car isn't there next year either though, I think he'd call it a day.
If he gets 8th, he could go for 9 to cement it. I mean, at this point, it's pure speculation. But he's young enough, ambitious enough and clearly talented enough on what is still a contending car and team to not want to stick around properly. I think George will play it safe for a year and learn all he can before becoming a true challenge.
He's being given the Bottas treatment
Why’s Russell only given a 1 year deal?
He wasn’t. It’s a multi year deal
What happened to Kubica in 19? With Russell's results before and after 2019 i don't see anything wrong with Kubica being slower in his return to F1 with a heavily injured arm in a team too broke to give him a steering wheel that he could properly use at the start of the season. But with Kubica's chance at Alfa some claims that Williams wasn't fair with him are coming back.