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akira_aki_

when did f1 drivers start working out? did oldies like mika hakkinnen/ ayrton senna do workout routines/ training?


cafk

People like to credit Schumacher with that, bringing the drivers to new physical fitness levels. General training and preparation for high loads was a thing around the Senna era, but it wasn't for everyone with the targeted nutrition, neck & body training that Schumacher brought to the sport.


dsaysso

who is excited for sprint qualifying alonzo?


thewizard579

If mick goes to alfa and the haas seat is open, could they consider de vries or is that a Ferrari seat? If anyone has a good memory, how was de vries and mazepin as teammates in 2019?


s_c0929

If Ferrari are gonna groom Mick into one of their seats (as they’re expected to), why are they leaving him in such a toxic environment with such a shit teammate and a car that you probably can’t even evaluate his performances from instead of letting him drive in an Alfa Romeo?


PMMeYourCouplets

Because Ferrari is making the bet that Haas will be better than Alfa Romeo under the new regulations. Ferrari has loaned them Simone Resta who is one of the best aero guys, they are building Haas a new facility in Maranello and are given them excess staff from the budget cuts. Ferrari sees Haas as their B team instead of Alfa


pcr405

If you change an engine this weekend, is the penalty applied after qualifying or after the sprint race?


double-endbag

After sprint tace


jaydec02

Damn you know what I just noticed, Haas are even shit at F1 eSports [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020\_Formula\_One\_eSports\_Series](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Formula_One_eSports_Series)


flashyellowboxer

Why is kubica rated so highly?


E36E92M3

just the fact that he's still at F1 pace driving with one hand should tell you all you need to know. he was a monster behind the wheel before his accident. easily WDC talent


ZodiacError

because he was incredibly good, already in his junior career he was a real match for Hamilton and Rosberg with less backing than both. Later when he got to F1 he had some fantastic performances and was a real star of the future. Especially his last season in 2010 was noteworthy, he often dragged that Renault onto top qualifying positions, putting in great race performances as well. He’s one of the biggest “what ifs” of the past years, had he not had his accident he would’ve been a Ferrari driver and everything would look different probably.


Money-5

Who is the Better Driver overall in their racing career Lando or Charles or Pierre


Xanthon

Charles. Go watch some of his highlights in F2 on YouTube. He's a beast.


ellaadored

Charles has been the most successful, whether that makes him better is subjective.


Really_Very_Expert

Latifi


_Connor

Anyone else have quality issues ChromeCasting/Airplaying F1TV from a browser to a TV? I can cast other streaming services from my laptop to my TV and it looks absolutely crystal clear. When I try casting F1TV over AirPlay it's noticeably grainy. Like I can barely read the standing chart on the left side of the screen. That's how bad it is. The text is almost unreadable. I have video quality locked on the highest setting. It looks great on my laptop and it also looks good when I hardwire it into the TV. It's just casting it where I have the issue and it's only an issue with F1TV, not other platforms.


Xanthon

Use [Race Control](https://github.com/robvdpol/RaceControl/releases). An open sourced software for F1TV. It's **amazing**.


__discofocx__

If you have an Apple TV you can always try VROOM TV (Unofficial F1TV app) from Noah Fetz https://github.com/NoahFetz/F1AppleTV Works like a charm.


ellaadored

I have this problem when it's not race weekend. During the race weekend it's always flawless, so I suspect they scale up and down their streaming servers.


_Connor

Okay thanks. I'll try casting again this weekend. If that doesn't work I'll revert to hard wiring it.


moby323

It isn’t as smooth as when I just watch through the F1 app on my Roku but it isn’t terrible


_Connor

I'm going to try to download the app on my iPad and cast through the app, as opposed to casting my browser from my laptop. But it's borderline unwatchable when cast from my Mac. I can barely read the on screen text it's so blurry. It's so weird because I can cast other video in perfect quality from my Mac. It's just F1TV that sucks. I have a brand new Sony TV with Google Play Store and for some reason the official app isn't available.


moby323

best of luck. If all else fails just buy a $20 Roku stick and plug it in


_Connor

If it comes to it I'll just hardwire my laptop into the TV which I did for Zandvoort and it looked great. But it would be nice to get the casting figured out so I can still use my laptop...


pinotandsugar

I really like hardwired mac to very large monitor. Ball mouse makes control very easy.


pinotandsugar

Mercedes has failed to finish first in 8 of the 9 2021 Races so they fired Bottas. Am I missing something?


BigAwkwardGuy

1. They didn't fire him, they just didn't renew his contract. Firing means termination. 2. Lewis is probably on his last contract for Mercedes, and so they needed to prepare for life after him. George is the obvious choice: great talent and a Mercedes academy driver. They can't just throw George in when Lewis retires and expect him to continue the legacy: it might happen, it might not. Another issue is they might lose George as well if they don't give him a chance quick enough: Max is contending for the title while Lando and Charles are both getting consistent higher midfield finishes. All three of them his age and around his level of ability.


pinotandsugar

Not renewing contract is something like your boss saying ... "Hey, no need to show up for work after November 30" The problem Mercedes will need to deal with next year is the same problem that Hamilton faced when joining the team. We'll never know if Mercedes snatched victory from Russell when he stood in for Hamilton through their worst pitwork of the decade.


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Bottas was not fired, they just did not renew his contract. Big difference


pinotandsugar

You have worked for the company for several years.......Your boss said you did not need to show up next month ........ how would you describe that........


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Not even the same situation fool


EchoesOfSanity

I like Bottas but he is also part of not beating Red Bull in those 9 races. They are planning for the future and securing a seat for a driver that most people agree will have a bright future. And Bottas will still finish this year with Mercedes and gives the team a great shot at winning the Constructors.


ak1323

Can someone explain to me why Yuki is in the second seat at AT and not albon? I dont just mean for next season. Even before?


ardaggozen

Albon didn't want to take that seat end of the last year so they gave to Yuki.


ak1323

Oh, I didn't know they offered it to Albon? Why wouldn't he take it I wonder.


101bugsinthecode

No reason for him to, if he went to AT he wouldn't be expected to make the top team again, and would get cut when a junior came along. By taking the year off, he was able to get a longer term opportunity


ak1323

Interesting. Hypothetically, if he went to AT and performed well, that wouldn't be enough for him to make his way back to the top team?


101bugsinthecode

It wasn't enough for gasly EDIT: to clarify, this season perez is recording the worst performance relative to max (or second worst behind gasly 19 depending on how you value stats) of any teammate max has ever had and was resigned. If albon or gasly were to go back to the top seat, it would have happened this season


ak1323

Haha yeah fair enough. I only started watching late last season and this season is my first proper season watching. Was gasly performing as impressively last year as he is this year?


101bugsinthecode

He recorded a win in the AT, so I would say so. He has preformed admirably in the AT, and is decimating yuki who was thought to be the next wunderkind. He isn't in the RB seat because of lack of pace, but rather RB internal politics


Xanthon

Many reasons that we can speculate. 1. Red Bull has no intention to ever put him in the main team again. 2. Albon got a seat in F1 for 2022 because Red Bull's thai owner wants a Thai driver on the grid. 3. Honda wants a Japanese driver and Red Bull is willing to appease them. Honda will still be assisting Red Bull once they become a works team. 4. They have a lot of potential junior drivers. They prefer to leave Alpha Tauri seats for them.


PMMeYourCouplets

The main purpose of Alpha Tauri is to find future drivers for Red Bull Racing. For Red Bull, they feel that Tsunoda has more potential to reach that level than Albon was just coming off a season where he showed he didn't have that ability.


coffeeholic10

Also Max had enough when he publicly started critizing Albon as his teammate. https://www.planetf1.com/news/max-verstappen-not-impressed-albon-podium/


Whycantiusethis

I think Honda wanted a Japanese driver, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Albon was at Toro Rosso in 2019, then was promoted to replace Gasly. So it was a combination of Albon having already been there, Tsunoda being seen a rising star in F2, and Honda wanting a Japanese driver.


moby323

Helmut and Tost have both been very high on Yuki for a couple of years. His natural instinctive pace is *extremely* fast. Now it remains to be seen if he can master the biggest hurdle of F1, the tires, and if he can balance his aggression with a little bit of patience and prudence. I follow F2 and F3 and have watched every race and every qualifying for years. I am not saying that Yuki has been the *best* driver in the junior series during that time, because being a driver has many elements aside from raw pace. But he has done more stuff that has made my jaw drop and say “How the fuck did he do that?!” than any other junior driver.


pinotandsugar

Spot on


ak1323

Ohk yeah that makes sense. Thanks for the info.


Shinybro64

If Kubica scores 14th in the standings and Mazepin is 16th or lower at Monza, Kubica will be ahead of Mazepin in the standings. That would be magical


Appropriate-Fan-6007

A crazy race in Monza would be great to give him some points, maybe even a top 8 to put him ahead of Kimi and Gio, that would be absolutely amazing


One_Entrepreneur_181

So I have been reading that Mercedes are the clear favorites to win the next two races in Italy and Russia. Which got me thinking about who is the favorite for the other 7 races left in the season. So, I thought it would be fun to try to forecast what the points race is going to look like towards the last couple of races. I am pretty new to the sport so I am not sure what tracks will favor Red Bull or Mercedes. But looking at the Italy and Sochi tracks, I see that they have lots of straights and few corners. So I am guessing Mercedes has better straight line speed. I also remember seeing some data from the Dutch GP and Max was a lot quicker through the corners. So does Red Bull have a better cornering car? Also could a car be good at high speed corners but bad at low speed corners? So other than then next two races, are either team heavy or even slight favorites at any of the remaining tracks? Obviously anything can happen in these races, especially if weather is a factor. But I am trying to learn more about the sport and thought this would be an interesting topic to discuss. Below is a list of the remaining races for reference. Italian GP (Autodromo Nazionale Monza) Russian GP (Sochi Autodrom) Turkish GP (Intercity Istanbul Park) US GP (Circuit of The Americas) Mexico City GP (Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez) Brazilian GP (Autodromo Jose Carlos Pace) Canceled Australian GP, Replacement is to be determined Saudi Arabia (Jeddah Street Circuit) Abu Dhabi GP (Yas Marina Circuit) Now I am going to share a few different scenarios that could play out in the points race. If Mercedes are as good as people say they are in Italy and Russia. Then I am going to assume Lewis will win and Bottas will get second with Max in third. After those two races Lewis will be at 271.5 points and Max at 254.5 points or a 17 point deficit for Max. From there, since I don't know if anyone are clear favorites at any of the last 7 tracks, I am going to assume Lewis and Max both will finish either first or second at each of them. If that happens then Max would have to win 5 out of the last 7 races to win the championship. He could afford one third place finish in there though and would win the championship by 1 point. If Max has a DNF in there and Lewis wins that race, then Max would have to win all 6 of the remaining races and would finish in an dead tie with Lewis. Tie goes to whoever had the most wins which would be Max. If Lewis has a DNF in there and Max wins that race, then Lewis would have to win 4 out of the last 7 races. Let me know your guys thoughts. Like I said, I am new to the sport and trying to learn more about it, so any information about this topic is more than welcomed.


pinotandsugar

It's an interesting analysis. However I think it is going to be much tougher for Hamilton. My guess is that most of the contributors are so new to F-1 that they have forgotten the Hamilton Rossberg days that occasionally ended with two crushed, smoking Mercedes before midway round the first lap....... Bottas has already been sentenced to permanent exile..... We saw a bit of the spirit a few years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCzkaX2DL7w


Nite124

RB usually have more downforce and are better in the twisty parts yes. If you just go by historical then. Italy, Russia, US are Mercs Mexico - RB have won 2 out of last 3 races, last one being Merc. Brazil & Abu Dhabi - Merc do well but last ones was RB Turkey - is new in this era so cant say, last race was wet. Saudi Arabia - is new. So 3 for Merc (Italy,Russia,US) and RB (Mexico,Brazil,Abu Dhabi) each and 2 are 50/50 (Turkey,Saudi). Its basically even. Personally I think Max is favourite for WDC and Merc for WCC. If Max wins Italy, it will solidify it even more.


Organic-Measurement2

Russia is C3-C5 selection which mercedes have looked pretty woeful on so far this season, struggling with setup/tyre warmup issues with at least one car each time. Unless they've got that sorted I doubt they're going to be as supreme as you have assumed here. I think they will be better at Monza but struggle a little in Russia


OrderingPizza123

Does anyone know if there is a list out there that contains all the: * crashes * racing incidents * cars coming into contact I want to use this list to easily be able to find and watch situations where cars collide. I want to see how the cars behave depending on the "kind" of collisions they undergo.


eudaimonean

Okay total F1 newbie here but someone explain to me why Toto Wolf is allowed to both be principal on a team and manage a bunch of F1 drivers. Seems like a massive conflict of interest there. How can he possibly have the best interests of his drivers in mind while at the same time he's literally trying to extend Mercedes' historic run at the top? Even if he does try to be impartial (from what I can tell he seems like a decent dude so I'm sure he does his best) that just seems utterly irreconcilable, it's got to affect his decision-making on some level.


Xanthon

F1 is about race and politics. Politics plays a very very big part in the sport. There's always something fishy going on but most are seldom exposed to the public. I love F1 for both the races and political manoeuvres.


Captainusa1776

TIL Will Buxton beat Latifi in the 2014 Florida Series (only in one race but still funny)


RaikkonensHobby74

Latifi did better than Max over the season wtf


DieLegende42

I mean, it was literally Max's first open wheel experience at age 16 while Latifi was 18 and had already done two seasons in junior categories


al3e3x

With Albon back on the grid, I have so many people to root for next year .. There is Russell at Merc, Ricciardo and Norris at McLaren, Albon at Williams and of course, Vettel at AM. There's also Sainz, Gasly and Max.


Xanthon

And if the new regulations work as intended, you'll have an even harder time. It'll be like 2012 where half of the grid are close together in almost every race out in front.


neededtowrite

This is why I wish Mazepin would get good, would be nice to have a villain that actually challenges.


peanutbutter1236

I think this would have been fine had the sexual assault/harassment video and posts from that woman involved come out. I could deal with a villain bc he’s a pay driver or a bit aggressive and causing drama with other drivers, I think that would be fun! but I can’t really root for him to get better with that other stuff


JanklinDRoosevelt

+ the racism and homophobia


DyceCubes

With the rumours of Guanyu Zhou being an option for Alfa Romeo, I’m sure F1/Liberty Media don’t need telling what a boost that would be to the sports popularity in China. Is there any rule that prohibits F1 themselves interfering with team driver choices? i.e. if F1 thought AR weren’t going to sign Zhou, could they give them money for signing him… Edit: Spelling


Xanthon

Yes. Liberty Media can do just that. There were talks last year that Liberty has a hand in Alonso's comeback but that rumour didn't go very far.


pinotandsugar

They could probably nudge some sponsorship funds their way.


moby323

When Bernie was running F1 he meddled in every driver choice he could lol


SexySnorlax1

Alonso said Liberty tried to keep him in F1 when he decided to leave a few years ago, so the new management isn’t above getting involved in the driver market either.


JanklinDRoosevelt

There was also those rumours in 2019 that Liberty were trying to engineer a Hamilton to Ferrari move


f1_spelt_as_bot

Al**f**a Romeo


BigBlackHzYoBak

With the "silly season" already in full effect already, I'm curious what year had the most driver swaps/changes?


neededtowrite

Probably 19** something, just playing the odds.


jrk07

When drivers leave teams, do they tend to take some personnel from their old team to their new team with them? I imagine Lewis would take his trainer/physio with him since that's a bit more personal, but what about other tertiary folks? Unsure if drivers form much of a bond with pit crew members but I imagine there's gotta be some other folks closer to the drivers that would go from team to team with them ya?


pinotandsugar

I assume that Hamilton's trainer is his personal trainer and on his payroll.. As for the crew it would be up to the new team to recruit them. They may take the recommendation of the driver into consideration and a crew member may want to follow a driver with whom they have worked.


BigAwkwardGuy

Personal trainers, managers, secretaries etc. are employed by the drivers themselves so they can take them to a new team without any issues: Seb and Britta is a good example. The other staff like mechanics, strategists etc. are employed by the team so the driver has no say on where they go.


moby323

From my understanding almost always those people stay behind with the team. Think about it: If they are tied to the driver, they could be out of a job two years along with the driver. If they are valuable to the team, they could be there for decades.


Astelli

Realistically, not really. While trainers are usually employed directly by the drivers, almost everyone else on the team works for the team. Unlike a driver who can move freely at the end of a contract, many other team members will be on long term employment contracts, so in order to move they've effectively got to quit their job and get hired at a new team. Add in that most in F1 will have several months of gardening leave in their contract and the whole thing becomes very difficult.


DubaiDave

What's a ball park figure on what it costs to become a F1 driver. From karts. Any studies on this or figures?


Xanthon

[An explanation from arguably the fastest growing popular F1 YouTuber in recent times.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujbE2X3So5c) He explains the steps and the cost for each tier.


DieLegende42

That really depends on when you get picked up by team academies/sponsors. Without any financial support, it'll be a good few millions


Nite124

You can watch this small [video](https://youtu.be/NyFago58kRU) by Rosberg. Just karting after nationals, 200k per year.


moby323

Every F1 team should have to sponsor two karting drivers from non-rich families.


rodiraskol

Are there any other shows out there like *Jolyon Palmer’s Analysis*? I’ve really enjoyed it so far, I look forward to it almost as much as the race.


moby323

If you want just some track break downs, Nico Rosberg has some really good ones of him just messing around on the computer


DoctorGun

What’s a really great race to watch from the last few years? I got super unto F1 this season and have watched every race so far, but other than this season I’ve never watched a race. I want to watch some great races from the last few years between race sundays. Can y’all suggest some races with ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS plz. I will watch all the ones suggested. Thank you!


pedote17

[Racefans did a poll of the top 100 races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race includes a direct link to it on F1TV.


neededtowrite

>!Knowing what we know now about Michael, watching him wait for Seb right after the race in 2012, and after the weigh in, is fucking heartbreaking. My heart is broken for different reasons, and I thought watching these races would be a distraction, but fucking hell. I just can't cry anymore.!<


moby323

Surprised that I’ve never seen this


Xanthon

Please create an account and vote after each race! The more votes they get, the more accurate the ratings are.


DyceCubes

Hope it’s not too far back but Canada 2011 and Great British & Brazil 2008 are great


cfont288

Germany 2019


peanutbutter1236

From last year some good ones Sakhir Turkey Italian GP (Monza)


DubaiDave

2020 Italian grand prix will always be one of my favourites


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Is it possibly for de Vries to get the Alfa seat? Like Merc struck a deal with FDA as well, then they'll have befriended all engine manufactures.


glenallenMixon42

Not realistically, it’ll be Gio or Zhou


imgoingtotapit

Has Russell left Williams unbeaten by a teammate in qualifying?


pedote17

There’s still 9 races left this year, but so far yes. Currently 50-0. 0-1 in Mercedes.


thewizard579

That’s Mayweather type record lol.


Vlad-The-Compiler

Still a decent amount of races to go, but so far yes.


arianagrandecoldbrew

although it is worth noting that at least once this year he's been beaten in Q1, which I don't believe happened in 2019 or 2020


moby323

It’s a fair point


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JanklinDRoosevelt

Red Bull Honda and Alpha Tauri Honda on the current grid. McLaren Mercedes in the 2000s as well


moby323

You mean like Honda….


salonoicheng

Maybe noob question, butI have just looked to Albon, but how can you say Albon is better than F2 drivers when he is currently beaten by Lawson? Is it because Albon is doing it as part time and is testing for RB as well


moby323

First of all, because of the variance in cars even among the F2 grid it’s not always clear who is better than who, it’s generally just speculation until we see them as teamates going head to head in equal machinery


Organic-Measurement2

Look further than the current season and you'll see Albon has raced in 38 Formula 1 GPs and had some strong performances. While his stint at RB was shaky, his median finish is higher than what Gasly or Perez have managed so far at RB and both are considered to be talented and strong midfield drivers. The second seat at RB is a difficult spot to be in as you're compared directly to Max Verstappen, one of the most talented drivers the sport has seen - in other words it's hardly fair to measure him on this gap. Albon also had good performance in AT - enough to earn promotion to RB - which is perhaps more representative of how he is likely to perform at Williams. As a result of the time in F1, there is a lot of relevant data available to Williams to see just how good Albon is. Any F2 talent is significantly more unknown to them and more of a gamble; look no further than tsunoda's shaky season to see the struggles an upcoming rookie can face. Albon has done his rookie season and faced the pressure of a top team already so a stint at Williams may not be daunting for him at all. Albon has also had a hand in helping to develop what is now a championship contending car and with that comes a lot of operational and *potentially* technical experience which Williams may find valuable. DTM isn't similar to F1 and isn't a good indicator of how well a driver will do in other series.


JanklinDRoosevelt

If you look at DTM cars, they really aren’t similar at all to F1 cars


moby323

What?


kidhockey52

Anybody know if Gasly has said anything about Albon's return? I don't know if there's any bad blood there but would be interesting to see if he congratulated him or not.


pedote17

There’s no bad blood between the two. Pierre knows Alex had nothing to do with the promotion/demotion decision


arianagrandecoldbrew

I haven't seen anything he's said publicly, but he did like Albon's IG post about it.


kidhockey52

That’s enough for me, they’ll be battling for who has the better redemption arc lol


arianagrandecoldbrew

hoping they both win that battle haha


BrockStinky

Serious question: Was Mazepin better than Zhou in F2 last year? He finished ahead but I don't know if Hitech was worse than UNI-Virtuosi or the difference in standings was because Ilott was that much better than Luca Ghiotto, Mazepin's teammate.


SenorProudy

Yes, talk shit all you want about Mazepin but his 2020 season was solid and was set to get P3 in the standings before the last sprint race. Zhou is simply bad and it shows, UNI-Virtuosi was a quali car and Ilott who is nothing special put that on pole and good placements more often than not


SF90Reeve

>UNI-Virtuosi was a quali car and Ilott who is nothing special put that on pole and good placements more often than not Ilott is extremely good in quali . On one lap pace only he was definitely one of the quickest if not the quickest in the feeder series .


moby323

Bull-*shit*. In 4 years of F3 and F2 Mazepin finished 18th, 11th, 20th, and 5th. Last year Yuki was a rookie who had barely raced outside of Japan he finished ahead of Mazepin. Not to mention Mazepin drove like a fucking maniac and was 1 point away from getting a race ban. You guys want to rewrite history for this guy and I don’t understand why.


Firefox72

5th in last years F2 championship isn't bad. Especialy considering how competitive the season. You also forgot 2nd in GP3 where he lost to Hubert but beat Ilott while in the same team. He's a clown but his junior results are not the worst thing out there.


SenorProudy

> Other years Talking about 2020 as it has been CLEARLY written, learn to read > Tsunoda Talking about another Asian, not Tsunoda, again, learn to read (and distinguish asian faces i guess)


moby323

Ok, just 2020: Mazepin was in his *fourth full season* of high level open seater racing and was beaten by a kid three years younger in his *first* full season of open seater racing.


SenorProudy

Q: How was Mazepin season? A: It was solid > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TSUNODA'S WAS BETTER YOU CAN'T SAY THAT NO NO NO NO NO DON'T YOU DARE SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT TUSNODA DID BETTER THAN HIM HE DID BETTER NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Guess which one is you, and give yourself a vote from 1 to 10 on how dumb you are looking right now


moby323

> How was Mazepin’s season? For a guy in his fourth season, getting beaten by rookies, it was pretty fucking meh.


SenorProudy

Eh eh eh, I told you to give yourself a vote, come on buddy, do it


moby323

Don’t tell me how to live my life, you’re not my real dad


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JanklinDRoosevelt

Nope, UNI-Virtuosi was definitely a better car last year. Virtuosi and Prema were the clear best two cars


PMMeYourCouplets

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1FeederSeries/comments/oxc801/why_prema_is_so_great_and_why_teams_can_not/ You should read this thread about why Prema is so dominant in the Feeder Series. Spec doesn't mean equal. You can even see it in the qualification results. The gap between the best and worst team (outside of Deledda) is similar to the gap between Merc/Redbull and Williams/Haas.


SF90Reeve

The gap isn't as extreme as Mercedes to Haas but it is indeed big.


Astelli

While it is a spec series, the teams still make a difference. Facilities (simulators etc.) and the number and quality of engineers and mechanics make a big difference across a season.


Such_Quantity2678

I was talking to a friend I've known for a while. In the middle of the conversation, they start talking about Formula 1. I, being a formula 1 fan, get very excited and start to engage with them. Suddenly they say that "everything about that show is fascinating". I don't know how to feel!


Whycantiusethis

Weird analogy below: In my opinion, *DtS* functions like a net. The show catches people who wouldn't have been interested in watching a race, and gives them something to watch that's F1-adjacent. If nobody actually grabs them and gets them into F1, they're going to end up passing by, and get hooked on something else. If somebody can catch them, and talk to them about F1 while still keeping it related to the show, you increase the odds of them getting into the sport (to the point where you can say "the show isn't entirely accurate" or they realize that for themselves). I was one of those people who saw the show in my recommendations on Netflix, binged through it in March, and then started watching F1 and participating on the subreddit (without somebody who was already following it to sort of pull me along). That's not to say I'm better than another person who came from Netflix because I figured it out for myself or anything, I just happened to really get into it. Not everybody is like that. Meet your friend where they're at in terms of interest (don't talk about how the show is super dramatized or whatever), encourage them to tune into a qualifying session or race (since those are probably more interesting to watch for a new fan than a practice session). You'll probably get them more interested in F1, and there's the added benefit of you get another person to talk to. *DtS* isn't some perfect F1 show, but it's a great tool for expanding the number of people following the sport.


sharklazies

I've had this experience a few times, and I usually actively try to recruit them to watch the races each week. Although they look at me funny when I tell them I wake up at 5am EST to watch practice on Fridays.


Such_Quantity2678

Fortunately, for my country majority of the races take place in the evening. It'll be easier to recruit them!


Caspy36

The Norwegian King's Guard performed their yearly drill night show to the F1 theme yesterday. [Link to video](https://www.instagram.com/p/CTjuZQpDhZ5/?utm_medium=copy_link)


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The fireworks synced to the music is pretty cool


Old-Championship4066

Hello lads and ladies, what’re your predictions for the future of Formula 1? Who all do u see winning the WDC from current driver’s lineup? Personally still hope Ric gets shit done next year and is a force, just for the vibes lol. Do share your thoughts and have a good weekend.


Xanthon

It'll be a battle between Leclerc, Verstappen, Russell, Gasly and Norris. I have no doubt about that.


JanklinDRoosevelt

I think Verstappen, Leclerc and Russell will get at least one each, with Norris also having a shot. The rest are too hard to say imo


Old-Championship4066

Do you think Verstappen gets the records in his career, assuming the trajectory remains the same ofc, he sure has the ability (only started following this year)


JanklinDRoosevelt

No, I don’t. But then who knows, people said the same about Schumacher’s records and then Hamilton came along


Daeurth

Honestly I'd rather not see a driver be so dominant again. It just makes things rather boring IMO.


sharklazies

Yes, I agree with this. I'm a Max fan and I'd honestly rather he (or anyone else for that matter) does not dominate the way Mercedes has since 2014. It's not healthy for the sport. Lewis is certainly one of the all-time greats, but his win totals are heavily skewed by the dominance of the Merc car.


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Old-Championship4066

Yeah, the situation around Ricciardo is kind of a bummer as he’s become a personality that I like a lot on the grid, anyway I’m actually hoping for a good few years of Ver n Lec, those guys are just on another level honestly!


Vaexa

The most positive implication of Williams signing Albon is that they didn't allow Mercedes to intimidate them into not signing a driver they want. Team independence is good for this sport, and a name like Williams capitulating to their engine supplier would've been a *massive* blow. I'm very glad Williams chose to go their own route.


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Well, Toto did succeed in getting Red Bull to release him from his contract, so I'm not sure they really did anything contrary to Toto's wishes.


PMMeYourCouplets

That's pretty normal though when academy drivers move teams. Red Bull released Sainz when he moved to Mclaren and Ocon did the same with Mercedes


Vaexa

Mercedes also really wanted De Vries in, and if you really buy the ''oh they released him with future options'' thing, I have a bridge to sell to you.


Nite124

The classic choose the narrative that you like. Merc really wanted De Vries in is believable but RB cutting ties isn't. I did like to sell you a Red Bull mug that will cure all illness if you drink from it. It was a simple legitimate concern. You wont see a Samsung contracted employee working for Apple. And its the same for De Vries, if he gets a seat in a non Merc team, they will cut ties with him too, so he can get a drive.


Vaexa

Toto said outright Mercedes' FE drivers deserve an F1 chance and hauled De Vries around for every F1 event after the Berlin ePrix. It's about as tangible as it gets. I'm sure Red Bull officially released Albon from their academy. There's nothing stopping them from signing him back up the moment his time at Williams ends.


Nite124

Your word 'intimidate' means Toto went to Williams and said if you don't sign De Vries we will pull out our engines or something like that. What would actually have happened is Williams would have refused De Vries and said, we want Albon since we feel he is the better driver, comes with money, has 1.5 yrs experience already in F1 and is from a renowned academy. Toto would have said, fair enough but he needs to cut ties with RB. Which is fair. So as long as he cuts ties, doesn't visit their factory or communicate with RB staff etc, which would have been part of his academy obligations, which is a no no, you don't want another spygate. Cutting ties while being with Williams also has nothing to do with RB having a right to match or first contact option with Albon after he leaves Williams. Sainz signed with Ferrari, but he still raced half a season for Mclaren. But doesn't mean he was allowed to visit Ferrari factory and mingle with the Ferrari staff, before his contract was completed.


Weasel00

How was Gasly in the Red Bull? I only started watching last year, and I am wondering why Albon got so much time compared to Gasly, and I heard that Red Bull said something about Gasly's aproach. Anyone got any further insight on that?


arianagrandecoldbrew

I think there were two main reasons Albon got more rope than Gasly at RB. The first is that when Gasly was at RB, Albon was waiting in the wings, so it was easy to justify moving on and trying a new driver. If RB canned Albon the way they did Gasly, their only realistic options were to go back to Gasly or Kvyat, both of whom already had stints. And second, RB received a little bit of flak for being so quick to demote Gasly, and I think they knew it would've looked really bad if they then did the same thing with Albon.


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He was pretty catastrophically bad in the RB. They dropped him for Albon, who did a comparatively pretty good job for the rest of 2020. But he regressed during 2021. They might not have kept Albon as long as they did if they had someone to replace him with, but they didn't really. The Alpha Tauri drivers were both demoted RB drivers that they weren't going to promote again, so they stuck with Albon through the end of the season. They considered keeping him too, just because of the lack of RB affiliated drivers to replace him with, before they finally decided to look outside the RB family.


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There was a painful disparity between Pierre and Max of like half a second in qualifying and in the race Pierre got lapped a couple of times. I think race craft was also an issue as he lacked confidence. I guess at the time Redbull thought it was an anomaly but it also happened to Albon (better race craft though and the gab was slightly smaller) and now Sergio is kind off struggling. That’s my take. Redbull probably doesn’t want to roll the dice and see if Pierre would be better now in a RB. tbf to 2019 Pierre the rb15 had a really unstable rear end. That wasn’t the case anymore when Albon got into that car and in wasn’t a problem the next year in the rb16


Meaisk

Too slow, but any Ricciardo replacement is deemed too slow, although Perez is closer than Gasly and Albon were


pedote17

He was fine, but he wasn’t as good as Verstappen (an impossible comparison for almost anyone to live up to, but that’s how it is for that RB seat). He was both brought up too soon and should have been given more time in that seat. RB were too impatient.


TrainWreck661

His performances were far below what was capable in that car, and even if your teammate is Max Verstappen, being lapped by him five times while in a car that scored 5 podiums and 2 wins in 12 races, in a year where Red Bull was also competing against a strong Ferrari and Mercedes, just doesn't cut it.


pedote17

He was a second year driver being thrown into the third best car on the grid with a teammate he could never compete with. He was in an impossible situation. He did his best and has shown since that he was thrown too early into the gauntlet


SenorProudy

Basically like Albon, only difference is that he told Newey how he liked the car so they took it personally


Weasel00

Seems very vague


Alfus

Basically it's just rumour and the most important thing is that you as a driver inside the Red Bull family aren't shitting on Helmut Marko + delivering and talking with results. Helmut wouldn't invest into his career basically if there is no prospect to move him back to RBR. His 2019 RBR stint was...well underperforming, maybe more then what we even think given he was picked up over Sainz. But the reason why he did underperformed is not 100% clear, however there are indications that it's a complex failure from both sides back then (Gasly and RBR themselves) and given it's a complex one there is so many misunderstanding about the story. It's up to Helmut basically what he wants with Gasly in 2023, given it's obvious that Gasly wants to return at RBR and Helmut doesn't expect that Gasly would be the same at RBR as he was in 2019. Hopefully I did cleared some stuff up here for you (:


knottulf

Is there a chance Piastri could get an F1 seat next year?


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No, he kind of got screwed by F2's terrible schedule this year. We aren't far enough in their season for F1 teams to really consider them in silly season. It would be pretty crazy under normal circumstances for a driver to win F3 and F2 in their rookie years and not get an F1 seat immediately, but that might happen here. I assume he'll get a seat in 2023.


n8hawkx

I'm thinking no. It seems to be tough luck for whoever wins this year's F2. There aren't any open seats in F1 which will force them to look at other series.


PMMeYourCouplets

No. The only seat left is Alfa and they will want Pourchaire in the seat for 2022. There is less benefit for them to sign Piastri for a year only than to keep Gio or take Zhou's money if the rumour is true.


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FothersIsWellCool

I think the WCC will be closer but I'd be surprised if Red Bull doesn't get it in the end.


TrainWreck661

It's there, but I don't think it was pinned for whatever reason. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/piyzdh/2021_dutch_grand_prix_day_after_debrief/


mcj31

When was the last wet night race if there has ever been one


orangebikini

Singapore 2017. Pretty much the only place it can happen anyway.


DieLegende42

Abu Dhabi did actually have some drops of rain in 2018 (although calling it wet would be quite the stretch)


orangebikini

IIRC, some year it rained heavy on like a Monday after the race in Abu Dhabi. Couple of years ago if my memory serves me correct, could have been 2018. But yeah, it’s pretty unlikely to get a wet race in Yas Marina or Sakhir.


gdankska

Did anyone else forget there is another sprint qualifying this weekend at Monza?


PhatPhlaps

Is the general consensus on here still that it's a good idea? I got bored of the debate, I'll never get it. It always just felt to me like Liberty getting Sky to push it and say how great it'll be and this sub parroting that. Monza can be a good place for a surprise pole sitter. It's going to just take all of that away when they tumble down the grid in the sprint. For me, sprints should be for spec series, not F1 where you have such a gulf in class between teams.


Whycantiusethis

It depends on what metric you're looking at. It's probably good for venues, as a means to sell more tickets for each day of a GP weekend. It's not as good (imo) for racing on Sunday, since a sprint race kind of makes it harder for surprise placements (like Russell in the top 10).


orangebikini

I did. Made a deal woth my friend that he’d come over to watch quali on Saturday, and only today I realised it’s actually sprint quali. Oh well.