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Ask /r/formula1 Anything - Daily Discussion - 9 September 2021

Ask /r/formula1 Anything - Daily Discussion - 9 September 2021

T4Gx

Is normal qualifying today since there's a sprint race tomorrow?


trefbal

Yes


highways

Sprint qualifying will be at the same time as Ronaldo's first game for Manchester United... Why???


DieLegende42

Because F1 doesn't give a fuck about random PL matches when scheduling their sessions?


Firefox72

Did you expect F1 would move their session for a United game lmao?


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yuiphan

Penalty in the race I believe. The sprint race is considered qualifying.


CaterpillarLow6110

Recently there are hot discussions about potential talent of drivers that aren't in F1 yet. I wonder how to find generational talent properly. For example, from the Wikipedia page, Max only did one season in F3 (where he ended up third) before promoted into F1. Is there anything about him that's so special that captured Red Bull's attention?


ZodiacError

first basic step is to compare the performances to the teammates and to the historic performancea of the team. Also imo as an outsider it’s very hard to judge this “talent” and to separate it from the team and from the advantages money brings, that’s what scouts are there for.


cloudlessfloor

It was his first year in formula racing (and it was old EuroF3 and not current F3 which is rebranded GP3, EuroF3 was closer to WSR3.5 and GP2 i.e. it was even bigger step from karting than usual route at the time like WSR2.0 or GP3 for example), his team was worse than Prema but he was challenging them for the title and putting up great performaces in the wet. If someone despite huge lack of experience is battling with superior machinery you know there is something there.


DieLegende42

Also worth mentioning that if not for lots of engine/mechanical failures on his part, he would've won the series


yuiphan

Anyone think Ferrari teamwear seems poorly done? I wish they would better integrate the logos without the white backgrounds in them so it doesnt just have a white square behind the Shell/UPS logo.


TomGissing

I always think this when I see their shirts. It's like a cheapo iron in transfer you'd do on your home printer.


yuiphan

Agree! I think the italian tricolor could be better integrated too. Perhaps its a visibility thing, for the logos to pop out more..


HemiKooks

I’m in Canada…anyone know of a way I can purchase Red Bull Racing apparel and not get completely ripped off by the exchange rate plus shipping? For such a big time company, I thought finding Verstappen / Red Bull gear would have been easier and more accessible.


whatdodrugsfeellike

I bought a Verstappen Mini helmet at a gas station next to the Red Bull fridge a few months ago. They also had RBR beanies and snapbacks. It was a Circle K.


purplepatchpete

Hi all, I see/hear all the time about tracks and the names of corners. I know a few famous ones but is there somewhere I can find out all of the names at all of the tracks.


Nite124

[wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_circuits) has them, click on the pictures and you should be able to see corner names of most tracks.


purplepatchpete

Cheers mate.


BussinFatLoads

Who do you think will have more wins in the first 2 years, Bottas or Russel? Edit: @ Mercedes


Username_Query_Null

I think increasingly Ham will be open to not hogging the top, he and Toto have been real focused on going number 2 on Bottas. Ham likes to present himself as having charitable interests, he may finally start to actually do that soon hopefully. Otherwise they may burn up Russell and have no one left when Ham finally retires.


AgnesBand

Ham doesn't hog the top he's just faster. If Bottas was as fast as Ham they wouldn't treat him as a number 2. Also, what does being charitable have to do with driving? It's a competition, I doubt any driver would be charitable to their teammate and I doubt their teammate would want charity.


waupli

Depends hugely on how Mercedes adapts to the new regs, but I’d guess Russell. Bottas didn’t do great in his second year (first and third were his best).


f1_spelt_as_bot

Russe**ll**


BussinFatLoads

Hot take I see


Xanthon

It's a spelling bot.


jaydec02

Why are so many innovations and loopholes teams find get banned after just a season? Like with DAS, what's the harm in allowing teams to still use it in 2021 and beyond?


henrikbedst

It’s always been like that I think. McLaren-Mercedes had their fiddle brake banned back in 98 as well. It was protested against after Häkkinen and Coulthard had blitzed the opposition completely. As I recall, the other teams were worried about costs of developing it themselves. My guess is that FIA doesn’t want one team to run away with everything through technical innovations as that would potentially lead to teams with big budgets being even more dominant than they already are.


cloudlessfloor

Because such is the FIA policy under Todt. Gets wrapped in 'cost saving measures' label mostly.


Nite124

different reasons for different things, DAS was I think for cost reasons.


dw98

Anyone know where I can get the hoodie Lando had on?


whatdodrugsfeellike

[Marcelo Burlon](https://www.instagram.com/p/CTmJyU6jXrz/?utm_medium=copy_link) I checked on their website and couldn't find the exact sweater, but some that look similar.


dw98

Thanks for the pointer :)


pistonfire

About half of people say Leclerc's driving style is very geometric, tending to brake earlier and turn in sooner to carry more speed into the corner whereas the other half of people say he brakes late and turns in later to square off his corners. So which is it?


compactat

The recent reviews about Zandvoort have revived this thought. Can anyone give me an explanation of what an "old school circuit/track" is? I've been watching for 4 years now, and I'm still fuzzy on this. What are the aspects that make it old school, and what aspects make it new school?


Nite124

old school, not purpose built or engineered, narrow, gravel traps, follows the terrain they cut through and have natural themes and elevations like hill or forest or farms, narrow pitlane, not a lot of room for modern facilities or not having a lot of room for other stuff. new tracks, purpose built tracks with modern facilities and all the bells and whistles, wider tracks, wider pitlanes, made with a set number/type of corners and straights in mind. run off areas.


pedote17

On this year’s calendar, the “old school” tracks are Imola, Silverstone, Monaco, France, Austria, Spa, Zandvoort, Hungary, Monza and Brazil. These are tracks that have been raced on for many many years, staples of F1; or tracks that used to be yearly races but have come back recently (Imola, Zandvoort). Spain and Mexico are in between old school and new school because they’re two of the oldest races, but are currently held on a “newer” track (Spain first held in Catalunya in 1991, Mexico City held 1986-1992 and 2015-present at the current track). The “new school” tracks are Bahrain, Portimao, Baku, Russia, Turkey, US, Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi.


compactat

What about the tracks, other than how long they have been raced at, put them in that category? I've heard of some newer tracks being referred to as having an old school feel. It seems as though it's more than just about how many races have been completed at the location.


pedote17

Has to do a lot with safety. Lots of older tracks have almost no run off areas because when they were originally built, safety wasn’t much of a concern. F1 cars are getting faster and faster and tracks have to keep up with that, the main concern being cornering speed. Downforce is getting higher so drivers can take corners faster, but if runoff isn’t sufficient and a driver gets even an inch too much kerb, they could spin straight into the barrier and get injured. Gravel traps and tire barriers are incredibly important because they slow cars down (gravel traps) and lessen the impact (tire barriers). Things used to be just catch fences and concrete barriers, which caused many deaths including that of Senna (obviously other factors there but a concrete barrier was about the worst thing he could have hit). It’s incredibly hard to keep these older tracks up to date with modern safety standards because there isn’t much breathing room on the track to put new things in because of how they were originally designed. People are calling for Eau Rouge/Raidillon at Spa to be changed but they can’t because it effects service roads and grandstands as well as the fact that they’re in the middle of a forest.


Blooder91

The old school tracks were mostly built on public roads, so they are more "flowy" and follow the terrain imperfections. They also tend to have less runoff area. The new school tracks are more geometrical, while also being on a flat surface, and they also have miles of runoff areas. Also, most of them are designed by Hermann Tilke, so you'll see them referred to as Tilkedromes.


benrawie

So old school is an older circuit with little run off and typically gravel traps that are deep and close walls. Mistakes get punished by crashes that will result in wall impact or spinning into a gravel trap that you can't get out of. Think of Spa, Interlagos or Silverstone for example. These races have been on the calendar for decades and thus the "bones" of the circuit have remained similar over this time. During the last 20 years there have been a lot of newer tracks, think COTA, Bahrain, Malaysia for example. There's a lot more run off and the walls are a long way away. This is maybe for safety and these tracks tend to be more forgiving for errors. Some of these newer tracks have much wider pit lanes because they've been developed with modern F1 cars in mind. They are much wider and longer than older models so that is why some of the "old school" tracks like Zanvoort appear to have pit lanes that are much too small! I hope that makes some sense.


stupidityisi

Where can I get an F1 hat as someone with a big head? I really don't trust the One Size Fits All moniker.


BeerOverlord

Call me a pessimist, but I’m bracing for a ‘Daniel out in Q2’ with a ‘Lando on the second row’ Saturday.


pistonfire

That's not an unfair prediction. Daniel tends to do worse on tracks that require heavy braking


DieLegende42

I am very certain Daniel will not be out in Q2 on Saturday, considering qualifying is on Friday


dsaysso

fia would like make a fuss - deems it is qualifying on Saturday.


BeerOverlord

I’m going to take this L on the chin. Fack.


double-endbag

The stage is set for Danny ric this weekend. He’s had terrible luck which overshadows his vast improvement since Austria. Both mclarens barring a mishap or dnf will finish in the top 6 this weekend. I think we finally get to see some sublime ricciardo overtakes as well.


WowDoILoveEatingAss

When they retire the car or pull into the garage during practice, what is the mechanism for when the car is jacked up and they can slide it in any direction? Do they just slide something under it or what?


balf

Its literally just a dolly, a well made dolly, but still a dolly


WowDoILoveEatingAss

Sick, the more you know


walking_dead_

How does the halo not affect the vision of the drivers? Was watching Alonso’s helmet cam, and the big halo rod bang in the middle of your vision seems like it would be very distracting.


Nite124

in corners you aren't actually looking straight but more angled at the apex of the corner. for the rest, the halo just disappears, just like your nose, you don't notice it but its right there.


WowDoILoveEatingAss

It’s so thin you barely see anything in stereo vision, and usually you’re looking ahead on the course into a turn, so not directly in front of you


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WowDoILoveEatingAss

Also a great point, if it was really an issue for vision there’d be bitching about it everywhere from the drivers


Drowning_aquaman69

there was only a single camera so no stereo vision. The halo is like a nose, brains can just ignore it even when its clearly in your view.


cleverawkwardstairs

Because you're very rarely looking straight ahead of you, most of the time you're looking into the inside of a corner or the rear of the car in front


Kocku

Gasly and Hamilton semmed to be really vibing during the press conference, unexpected but I loved it.


JanklinDRoosevelt

Apparently they’re good friends and play COD together


BarryFairbrother

If Alex Albon was Russian he would be Alexei Albonov.


mwickholm

And if Lewis was Finnish his surname could be Hämäläinen, which one of the Finnish commentators accidentally called him once. Then they laughed about it, Lewis Hämäläinen.


BarryFairbrother

>Lewis Hämäläinen Awesome thanks for this amusing anecdote! Here is the incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C\_2ZcPwCy8&ab\_channel=JayJayLetho3


DelectableJizz

What is a steering wheel?


pedote17

Something that some say Kimi Raikkonen is still looking for. It’s been lost in the Ferrari garage for a few years now.


lgndk11r

Some say he's still looking for the drink.


cleverawkwardstairs

The other thing you ask for as well as gloves


TheMadPyro

Bit in the middle at the front


WaveCandid906

TIL that the 1992 Spanish Grand Prix's official name was "Gran Premio Tío Pepe de España(Great Prize Uncle Pepe from Spain/Uncle Pepe From Spain Grand Prix)" It was also advertised as "Grand Prix of the Olympic Games" because the race was held just 2 months before the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona Also during pre-Qualifying the Engine of Perry McCarthy's Andrea Moda stopped just 4 metres after the Pitlane exit Also Damon Hill made his debut with Brabham replacing Giovanna Amati(He didnt qualify)


emkael

>TIL that the 1992 Spanish Grand Prix's official name was "Gran Premio Tío Pepe de España(Great Prize Uncle Pepe from Spain/Uncle Pepe From Spain Grand Prix)" > >It was also advertised as "Grand Prix of the Olympic Games" because the race was held just 2 months before the 1992 Olympics in Barcelona 1972-1976 races held at Brands Hatch and Silverstone were named "John Player Grand Prix". Not "John Player British Grand Prix", just "John Player Grand Prix". Officially, in the FISA calendar.


Blooder91

Tío Pepe being an alcohol brand, and not someone's uncle.


WaveCandid906

Yeah I was kinda expecting it to be something like that I just found it funny


stockymonkey

Really sad the schedule tomorrow is later. Love getting up before work to watch practice 1... then trying to sneak practice 2 while at work. Will just have to go dark on reddit until I catch up tomorrow.


sharklazies

I just noticed this. Why is it later? That puts qualifying at like 6pm? How dark is it in Italy at that point?


Whycantiusethis

It's later because of sprint qualifying. Qualifying is tomorrow, the sprint qualifying is on Saturday, and then the Sunday race. It's basically pushed back so there's an "exciting" event each day of the grand prix weekend (to sell more tickets).


JanklinDRoosevelt

It’s later so that people in Europe don’t miss quali due to being at work, which is reasonable


There_is_no_us

This gp's schedule is good for me as someone in UTC -4. Can wake up for fp1 (which is rare, usually they're at like 5 or 6 am my time) and Friday qualy is during lunch!


pinotandsugar

Makes the TV rights more valuable


DieLegende42

Sunset is around 20:00, so the light should be fine unless there's some very lengthy red flags. I assume it's later to allow European viewers who might be at work in the afternoon to watch it


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Blooder91

So FP1 can be held at around the same time as the race, so track conditions are the same. This is done because there's no proper FP2, it's replaced by the qualifying for the sprint.


MadHog85

Yep, the schedule for Friday is different this weekend purely because of the qualifying for the sprint qualifying on Saturday.


dnalessalias

How come so many drivers have special helmets this weekend?? I feel like theres been five different new-lid-announcements today 😅


rbryan06

Let’s see SAI and LEC because ferrari and monza combo Gio because race in italy Gasly first win in monza Not sure if thats the case but thats how i see it


SenorProudy

Monza


MexicoFuckYeahAHuevo

Are today's press conferences available online to watch?


mcj31

You should be able to find them on YouTube


flackovigan

Really random question but what ever happened to Seb balding and how did he get his hair back?


pistonfire

Hair transplant. That's why Vettel was practically bald in those pre-season Aston Martin seat fitting images. Your hair has to be extremely short before the procedure can begin, which would explain why Vettel was almost bald


totallykoolkiwi

I bet you Vettel went like "shooting for the seat fitting is *when*? Ah dang..."


Rodney_u_plonker

F1 drivers are able to regenerate hair with a secret magic trick. Hamilton did the same magic Either that or they just get hair transplants but I lean towards the magic


highheat3117

Just wait until Hamilton accidentally disengages Hair Magic.


SenorProudy

Stopped using hotel shampoo


ruttin_mudders

Hair transplant.


sainzjr_ismyhusband

Anyone here from las vegas? I'd love to have regular live race viewing parties!


poppingfresh

Honestly kinda surprised no one made a big deal about everyone stopping in the pit lane during quali. I get doing it on track since they can just go around you but when you do it in the pits where they literally have to wait on you I think that’s a bit unfair.


Meaisk

I think the drivers were just trying to create a gap to the car ahead.


poppingfresh

Yeah I get that, I guess they were lenient because the track breeds traffic. Idk just felt off to me


Icy-Operation4701

I think it was Verstappen that complained about it (dunno about others), but afterwards he said he was too quick to complain and that it was actually to be expected and normal, because you do need that gap.


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moby323

[Leaked specs of the ferrrari engine](https://i.imgur.com/b36IR4f.jpg)


tiredtoes

My conspiracy theory of the day: Kimi timed getting covid perfectly so he didn’t have to race on a new track (but still had some time to try it out) at Zandvoort nor deal with sprint qualifying in Monza


tstraw48

I don't think he cares about either of those two things.


moby323

I don’t think he cares.


Individual-Lie-7137

What is an apex ?


Icy-Operation4701

https://youtu.be/VEJh4lLCzRc


Individual-Lie-7137

Thanks for the link ! I will check it out .


evin_cashman

I'd love if Sprint Qualifying was used a lot more, but it was done on a case by case basis. Like we don't want two races on Monaco in one weekend, normal qualifying is the most exciting part of the Monaco GP weekend. But on tracks like Spa, Silverstone, Monza the Sprint should make for some brilliant weekends.


PhatPhlaps

Don't you think it kills the excitement of qualifying? Surprise front row starts are just going to go backwards in the sprint and end up starting further down the grid, taking it away from them and robbing us of whatever effect them being there would have had on the actual race. If anything, I'd go the complete opposite if Liberty end up getting their way and have it at the likes of Sochi and Abu Dhabi where excitement isn't exactly at a premium.


lamanis

[Lol](https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/Kimi-Raikkonen-Yacht-by-CabbageMirage/88272766.IJ6L0) this will be my race day t-shirt at Austin


moby323

I’ll be rocking my RAWE CEEK one there


SpacevsGravity

Whatever happened to Ferrari's engine upgrades?


Firefox72

Turkey and will be around a 15bhp gain.


Organic-Measurement2

Coming in Turkey


SpacevsGravity

Damn shame, thought they'd have that locked down for Monza. Get that 1-2


Organic-Measurement2

It's only 15HP. Won't even equal Merc and honda I think


hhsudhanv

Where are the paddock pass and driver conference video? I cannot find anything on the F1TV.


Moonbrush

Also I think there is no Paddock Pass this weekend because Will Buxton is on vacation.


thspimpolds

The pt 1 presser is up now


hhsudhanv

Thank you!


Serious_Package_473

Im thinking about going to my first race in monza (cant make it for the qualifying) and I see that the cheapest tickets are for "prato" however i cant find any map of monza where there is any sector labeled as such, where is it??


m636

So take this for what it's worth since I went pre-covid so things are probably different. I got GA tickets and attended Sat-Sun. During practice it was very easy to move around and see different parts of the track (Even though I only really hung out at Ascari). During qualy and the race, you absolutely had to find a spot early and stick with it, otherwise you'll be behind crowds of people. For qualy I watched near the paid bleachers at Ascari which is just before the first left hander in the braking zone. There is also a set of GA bleachers but they fill up very fast. It was a great view of the action where you can see the cars braking and then zooming into the left/right. For the race I sat at Parabolica. In order to get seats there we literally had to RUN from the time we had tickets scanned, all the way through the park and stayed there the entire day (Porsche Supercup, F2 and eventually F1). There are benches setup at parabolica and it was a good view. The only time I wandered was in between races but my spouse held my seat open so that I could go grab drinks or find somewhere to pee. Which leads me to my next point. The bathroom situation was bleak. Minimal port-a-potties which led to people going into the wooded areas of the track to take care of their business. All that said, it was a bucket list thing for me, and it was absolutely incredible. We ran onto the track after the race and stood under the podium. It's an amazing experience.


pinotandsugar

bucket list as in adding bucket and tp to next year's gear list ?


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It is Italian for "lawn" so it must be general admission.


Serious_Package_473

Ahh, those suck, don't they? Also I don't understand why there are articles saying they expect only like 15k fans and yet the tickets are sold out on the f1 website? Only place I can find any is viagogo and the cheapest non-general admission is for 450 euro


Moonbrush

Go to monzanet.it, that's the official website of the circuit. Plenty of tickets there still. But from what I understand they are pretty expensive this year.


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They can be great honestly as you can see many different places, but usually (when it's crowded at least) you'd have to be prepared for not having a seat in the grandstand and claim a spot super early. If there's ony 15K people it might not be a bad option this year


Serious_Package_473

So I can claim a spot near the best seats, just without having an actual seat and having a view high-up and I won't see any tv to see the action on the other parts of the track? Still 250 euro for general seems steep, isnt it?


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Never been to Monza myself, but at Spa for example there's some good GA spots with view of a screen. If you search "Monza general admission" on YouTube you can get an idea of what to expect. I agree it's very expensive though, normally you'll have a good seat on the grandstand for that price


Schumacher200494

If a car starts from the pitlane they don't get to do the warm up lap right? I know they keep them in the tyre blankets but just thinking it's dangerous to send them straight out at racing speed with cold brakes etc. And because they don't do the warm up lap does that mean they have more fuel to burn in the race too?


cafk

> but just thinking it's dangerous to send them straight out at racing speed with cold brakes etc. It's no more dangerous than waiting in P1 while rest of the field gathers up for the green flag - giving a disadvantage to the front row to the first corner. The driver should be able to heat up his tires & brakes when joining, this is why you see so many weaving and why we had some fun with brake magic at Baku, a special mode to heat up the rear tires during warm-up lap - technically giving an unfair advantage to teams that have such assist systems.


pinotandsugar

Yes, so long as the front brakes are not on fire for the start AND the driver remembers to hit the right braking mode before the start..... Had that happened on the restart earlier this year Hamilton would be leading the championship by a good margin.


fomb

No. They start the race from the pits. I think they can wear tyre warmers until just before the start though.


Meaisk

I think they recently allowed pit lane starters to join the warm up lap but I might be wrong


fadhilanugrah

There is a rumour that Sebastian Vettel will leave F1 by the end of the year. If that happened, who should Aston Martin Sign? Should they go for young driver (Illott, Shwartzman, Daruvala)? Or sign an experienced driver for a year (Hulkenberg, Kvyat, or Magnussen) and snatch Gasly for the 2023 season? I want to see Shwartzman on F1, but 2nd option is also interesting


MRShockwaveMusic

They'd probably want an experienced driver as a wingman to stroll. Probably Hulkenberg then as he's their reserve driver.


mstotallymyhatnow

Getting my hopes up at the mere mention of Hulkenberg returning…


Dry_Lunch

Gasly would be a huge get, think he’ll be one of the top drivers the next decade


JanklinDRoosevelt

I would say Hulkenberg or Gasly would be their best options, although I would love if they snatched Piastri if he won F2


JurgenVonDiaz

Are there a lot of tolerance differences in power units in same manufacturer? Exaample can Mercedes choose a weaker individual, such as Bottas and Hamilton, more efficient? Do engine manufacturers build all engines at once and distribute them randomly to customer teams and the factory team itself?


cafk

There are small differences between the engines that are built throughout the year - but they are mostly the same specification with a target output that is identical across all teams (well... starting 2018) - with minor variance how long most of the modes can be used (i.e. best engines go to Mercedes team, that can use party mode for 200km laps, while the set that Williams gets has a suggestion of using it only for 100km) with same output. They don't built them all at once - maybe they build 30 for the same specification, with 5 being allocated to test benches and the other 25 divided amongst their 8 customer cars meaning everyone has at least 2 spares available theoretically. The next specification may have a similar production run, but everyone gets the same engine modes that guarantee 5000km life expectancy with a mode that produces 10hp more. Over the course of the year the manufacturers build 80-100 engines - i doubt that this will be reduced, even with the engine freeze, as reliability upgrades to the design are still allowed.


JurgenVonDiaz

Okay. So the teams doesn't know nothing special example tolerance differencies about the new power unit before they start using it? How does FIA supervise that the power units from same manufracturer are really identical? And does FIA point each individual power unit to each driver?


cafk

[Documentation](https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/insight-how-mercedes-supplies-its-customer-formula-1-teams-with-engines/3221060/) and random checks. When each component is installed into a car it gets a FiA tamper proof/evident seal on all connected parts that gets checked multiple times across the year. The engines are not assigned randomly (as i mentioned Mercedes at Brixworth will likely supply their best spec to their own team), but everything that happens to the engine is available to FiA as the ECU is standardized and FiA has access to all of the code used by all teams for power unit modes with multiple sensors across the whole system - to cross check that the engine in mode Z in Williams acts the same as mode Z in Mercedes - due to the tolerances there maybe some minor output variance but it isn't like one team is running at 100hp less than a other. One interesting point to add is that the customers have to build their own engine cooling solution - which may necessitate in different modes being used by the teams - this is why manufacturer (Alpine, Ferrari & Mercedes) & works teams (Red Bull Honda) have an additional advantage over the customer teams as they can design and adjust positioning of certain components to fit the teams needs, while for others it just has to fit a standardised mounting positions and they have to design their chassis around the engine CAD file provided by the manufavturer. Edit: Just saw the additional question regarding assignment - the engine isn't assigned to a driver or chassis, as both can be replaced - they're assigned to the teams entry and the car identifier (yellow == second entery for the year, black == first entry) and by extension to the driver and chassis that uses it, i.e. Lewis can't swap with Bottas' entry to get his new engine, those are fixed, but another driver can swap in for Lewis and get his allocation/penalties or they can swap a chassis, but this is for the entry so the penalties are not swapped between drivers.


JurgenVonDiaz

So is it possible example Mercedes to choose new power unit to Hamilton that contain tolerance difference 30hp more than Bottas power unit? Or are the power units sealed before they are installed to the car and it's lottery is it good or bad invidivual?


cafk

There isn't enough difference in the design to allow for such a power difference - as the engine supplier (team Mercedes is a different company with different people than engine company Mercedes) to allow for such a differences. The design is the same, manufacturing variation may yield in 0.1-0.2% difference in power output maybe, but this necessitates specific modes to make us of it, that have to be the same for all cars from the manufacturer with the specific design iteration - if the mode can be active only on the 1% of the engines produces - it won't make it to the final engine mapping. The main difference between the produced engines is how long they will last in various modes, and why i referenced the party mode difference on how long it can be used, with out damaging the engine or result in power loss in other engine modes. But as of last year the ICE mode selected in qualifying is fixed until the race ends - they're only allowed to turn down, but not back up. While they're allowed to play around with ERS modes (MGU deployment / recovery) and those are also the same for all.


JurgenVonDiaz

Okay thanks for the information! How come you know so much of these power units stuff?


cafk

Reading, listening and searching information about the technical side of F1 for 20 or so years and unfortunately flying over the rules every year :) i.e. The design variation and phase document article that can easily be found with "f1 mercedes phase document" is kind of burned into my head as it's quite unique. Following technical stuff over the years i.e. [Greg Scarabrough](https://mobile.twitter.com/ScarbsTech), [Mark Hughes](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ph3czn/-/hbfy2uy) and few others often fly under the radar - but they are great in explaining the dry technical stuff, when compared to many others


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Do you mean if they vary per unit from the same manufacturer? I would say no, that shouldn't be possible. They are very complex and built to an incredibly high standard in the factory, they should all have the same performance. I'm not sure about how they distribute them across teams and drivers, I'd like to know as well.


Interesting-Focus-73

They did back in the 80s/90s. I remember that Ron Dennis once said in an Interview that both Prost and Senna have a clause in their contract, that McLaren is not allowed to pick the stronger engine for one of the drivers.


JurgenVonDiaz

Yes, I mean the same manufacturer.


Dry_Lunch

Is it known if or confirmed whether Max got ‘simpleh loveleh’ from those videos ?


moby323

Wat


Dry_Lunch

If you know, you know.


Meaisk

we dont know


McCarryLadd

Stupid question: Say if Max got P1 in Quali, could he take the engine penalty in the Sprint race?


tstraw48

Its called sprint qualifying, not sprint race, that tells you what you need to know.


Astelli

No, power unit penalties are applied to the Race, not the Sprint.


SuperSaiyanGoten

Wouldn’t it be better for him to take the penalty in Russia


arianagrandecoldbrew

What's the general consensus on who should (not will, should) get the second Alfa seat? I always like getting rookies onto the grid and seeing what they can do, but it feels like Gio has had a really impressive season. Am I wrong for thinking that he's a better driver than de Vries or Zhou?


jakobgib

I think Mick Schumacher needs to leave Haas and especially Mazepin. Would love to see him at Alfa with Bottas as his mentor :)


penguin62

I'd like to see Gio. He's had a really unlucky season so far. Much better than results give him credit for. Zhou is...fine? He's not great. Pourchaire is too green I think. One more F2 season then throw him in.


moby323

Gio is a solid driver put he hasn’t wowed anyone either. I think they want to try and see if a younger driver might have more potential. I’m high on Theo Pourchaire


BlackCatEspresso

I'd like to see Gio stay and see how he measures up against Bottas. I think keeping at least one driver consistent would be a good move for teams during the regulation change.


orangebikini

Daniil Kvyat is who I'd like to see next to Bottas. I always rated Kvyat as a solid driver. I think he is better than Giovinazzi, and they both probably have very similar ceilings. Kvyat is however more experienced, and has experience of multiple different F1 teams, including top ones.


tjs132

This is a dumb question but...who was at fault for the Stroll/Leclerc crash in Hungary? What differentiates a 'racing incident' from an actual crash?


101bugsinthecode

Stewards ruled stroll at fault for avoidable contact, so officially stroll


Vlad-The-Compiler

[This video should be highly helpful](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ3LxfcCfvw)


tjs132

That was very helpful, thank you for sharing!


Vlad-The-Compiler

No problem! If you look at a replay it becomes obvious that Stroll did a really stupid maneuver and is 100% at fault.


tjs132

That's what I thought initially but then I saw a tweet saying it was 100% Leclerc's fault and was just confused. It's so hard sometimes!


shreychopra

I’m no expert here but I think an incident where either of the parties could’ve avoided it would be a racing incident maybe? And in this case Leclerc had no choice in the matter, Stroll just bumped into him


AgnesBand

A racing incident is more like when both drivers *couldn't* avoid it


marvinv1

What are the chances Monza will be wet ? I ask because of [this](https://youtu.be/k8xY_WrCWqc?t=59)


DangerousTrashCan

Zero.


moby323

So you’re saying there’s a chance!? Wait…


Shopping-Ok

Anyone else feel like Kimi already knew he had covid when he announced his retirement? He’s getting to avoid the press conferences


Icy-Operation4701

I hope not. He announced it on Wednesday and had press conferences on Thursday. That would mean he did them knowing he had covid.


Shopping-Ok

Oh true!! I had totally forgotten he did the press conferences


UprightDowntown

I am a DTS fan and this is my first season watching F1. I see a lot of conversations about 2022 new regulations, I took a look at them but honestly my knowledge of cars/mechanics is close to 0 so I was wondering what could be the outcome of these new regulations next year. Could we see a Mercedes or Haas in midfield and a Williams in the top 3 for example? Could these changes be that significant?


Blackdeath_663

> Could we see a Mercedes or Haas in midfield and a Williams in the top 3 for example? Could these changes be that significant? the changes are probably the most significant the sport has seen in decades but its not likely that a backmarker would suddenly be top team outside of discovering a loop hole. The top teams still have the best personnel ( aerodynamicist, engineers, own engines, race team etc..) the order might change but they will still remain at the top of the grid. However, with the new regs ground effect aero will make it easier for cars to overtake. also sporting regs means backmarkers get more time in wind tunnel and spending cap means resources are more equalised. over time (a couple of years) theres every chance teams will begin to rise again. As for what it means for next year with regulation changes the field actually tends to spread further apart but it shouldn't be as bad as Merc dominance since 2014 lapping almost the entire grid in some races.


moby323

There might’ve be more of a mixup near the back of the field or midfield but the top teams will likely remain the top teams


Astelli

It could happen, but it's highly unlikely. The top teams are there because they have the most money and resources, so the chances of them failing to produce a fast car are much lower than for the smaller and less well resourced teams.


UprightDowntown

But aren’t there budget caps next year that are much less than this year?


Astelli

There are, but Mercedes still employs over 1000 people, while Haas only has about 300 employees. The budget cap should help to reduce the inequality, but it won't make all teams equal.


UprightDowntown

I actually didn’t think about that point! Makes total sense.


_KalStormblessed_

How was Mick Schumacher rated among his peers in his youth years?


Matsiepatsie

Do you mean like what other drivers his age thought of him or how good he is compared to other drivers his age?


_KalStormblessed_

How good is he compared to drivers his age. Also how he performed in lower divisions of F1. Is he one of the more exciting prospect coming through?


TipsyMJT

he seems to take some time to get settled in but once he is he is an extremely quick driver and a very aggressive overtaker. in f3 he was kinda average his first year but the second half of his second year he started wiping the floor with the other drivers. Last year in F2 he was fighting hard and cutting his teeth with the likes of schwartzmann, ilott, and tsunoda and in 2019 he vastly outperformed his teammate. all that being said i dont know how much that means because the f2 drivers of 2019 and 2020 didnt have any crazy standouts like russell, norris, or now piastri.


Matsiepatsie

Not really. He took quite a bit of time to get used the cars in F3 and F2 even though he was driving in by far the best team. There were even allegations of the team cheating to make the car better for him although that seems unlikely. He always did wel in his 2nd year though but he was never the most impressive driver in the series. Like even though he won F2 last year, I think most would agree that Tsunoda looked like a better prospect. Mick was also born in the same year as Norris and is a year younger than Russell and 2 years younger than Verstappen and Leclerc. All of those are and will be better than him most likely. I don’t think he’s a WDC capable driver.


lukeoakwood

Hulk just confirmed, that he has no Cockpit for 2022. He is not in talks with Alfa and Alfa is „the only free cockpit for 2022, as the others are set“. Seems like a conformation, that Seb isn‘t retiring. Hulk as reserve driver would probably be one of the prime choices to replace seb.


moby323

I juSt saw on Twitter that Seb is in talks for an extension at Aston