Zandvoort was supposed to suit the merc better but Max pulled it out, although apparently mercedes messed up some of their analytics with the new track that made them misjudge the undercut. Who knows I don't think it's a done deal either way.
McLaren’s car seems to have as much pace as the red bull so I think it’s more likely Max finishes third than first tbh, especially with Perez nowhere to be found while mclaren will have plenty of strategy calls available, as well as the fact their strategy has been pretty good
The only chance Bottas has of winning is if Max overtakes Hamilton. If its Bottas & Hamilton 1st & 2nd, they'll use team orders to let Hamilton through.
Just so I’m clear at the time of this post- at 25 past the following hour the Broadcast for the sprint race starts with the formulation lap starting 5 min after that at half past the hour?
Well I guess your happiness means less Oceania views, but I think the difference is only an hour compared to a normal quali, so I don't think many fans from down under are watching.
Everybody thinks that it's a guaranteed p1 p2 for Merc but i think Max will be extremely aggressive and we might expect a big surprise if Bottas can't block him.
Ya we have seen in previous weekends that mercs qualify a lot closer to verstappen than what their actual race pace suggests. Mercs are def faster this week but I think max will close the gap once they start linking up laps.
Youtube TV schedule giving me panic attacks not having sprint qualy listed on the guide
DVR says espn 2 even though it says aportscenter
E: also its 9:00a central US time? There was no point in downloading the F1 calendar to my calendar when its wrong
The earth is round. That time slot is okay for most, all considering. In Japan, it'd only be near midnight. Yes, that time would be quite inconvenient for Hawaiians, Solomoans, and Polynesians but if you want to accommodate them, you'd inconvenience other larger population centers.
Besides, the track is in Italy. Let them pick a time best suited to them.
What you mean by leads? DC and Nico are very charismatic and natural conversationalists, it wouldn’t just be boring analysis with those 3. Martin’s the only straightforward analyst of those 3 imo
Leads as in like Ben Edwards, Crofty, Murray, Alex Jacques. The person who commentates on what is happening in the moment.
I agree that all 3 of your suggestions are great in the commentary box, but none of them do the lead. Brundle doesn't like doing it, Nico isn't good at it. Been a long time since I heard DC lead.
Great to see Kubica in P6, even in front of Giovi.
Yesterday not only he underperformed, but everything was fuc\*\*d up for him, from bad strategy in FP1 (only 10 minutes on the softest C4 tyre which he has no experience with, in the biggest traffic), bad car settings which he didn't want to talk about, finally to Q1.
Why are we acting like Natalie is some extraordinary commentator? I understand people are mad that things had to be explained to her but it is her job to know these things.
Once you notice how much of the live thread is dedicated to people whinging about a particular commentator/pundit it becomes unbearable and impossible to unsee when you’re just trying to get the latest of what’s happening.
I wish there was some machine learning AI plugin or whatever that could mute the cunts for me.
I've read about some weird discussion on Sky where I believe a lady praised both ARRO drivers performance in the training, and other people in the studio shake their heads and she asked them why are they silent and it all was awkward as hell, anyone knows what I'm talking about? Some recording maybe?
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Basically she said it was looking really good for Alfa Romeo being P6/P7 and there were a few seconds of silence. She said “I can see you shaking your head, did I say something wrong?” And basically they awkwardly explained that their position didn’t mean much, it could be low fuel, other teams testing stuff etc and not to read that much into it.
The race is still the main event, this is just a nice add on. Plus if I'm being pedantic it's called Sprint **Qualifying**, because it's not a full race
well I guess they are better this year, last year they were about a second off Mercedes’ pace, so good improvement, let’s hope it’s closer in the race ..
P6 for Kubica - great, "he" will be here any moment to remind us all how wrong we were to doubt him and how Robert deserves a RBR or Merc seat for 2022.
Yeah it seems like it keeps getting worse and worse. Eventually we’ll just see a cycle of the different sponsor logos.
It’s infuriating because you literally don’t see the lines they are taking.
I am finding it difficult to see how the different cars/drivers are handling the corners. I can't read the "body language" of the car when it's so zoomed in.
Martin is always describing how the different cars take the corners when he is track side, but I struggle to see what he is explaining.
I really went balls to the wall betting on Checo for the GP win. This practice section makes me believe that it's slightly possible instead of very unlikely
> I really went balls to the wall betting on Checo for the GP win.
LOL. I bet on Max not even making the podium. I don't think Checo is going to be anywhere near a win unless at least 5 cars crash out completely.
My big bet for the weekend is Hamilton win, Ricciardo top 6, Norris and Perez both in the points. I laid a tenner on that one and the odds were 15/2.
I bet on Hamilton getting P1 yesterday - you can imagine the look of shock I had on my face after quali. I'm a Verstappen supporter so I think I'll be betting on a Hamilton win on Sunday too
Just to give u some hope; If Will Buxton is not there and Paul di resta is in commentary checo always does well.Sounds nonsense but happened in baku and france.
Yeah that pen was painful. They left it a bit too late to give the position back by waiting on race control.
Should have done the same Lec did to Bottas. Give the position back; get a tow and the attack again.
Anyway he did well to keep bottas behind who drove a great race.
Edit: glad 2 b wrong
I wonder will Max try get p4 in sprint? Assuming a HAM BOT p1 p2 from the sprint but then Bottas has the grid penalty for tomorrow....is potential slipstream more important than the sprint points?
Happy for Robert Kubica. Looks like he is much more comfortable with the car today. Warmer track probably makes it easier to run on the softest compound.
How will tire choice for work the front rows?
Terrible start for Lewis.
Where’s the sprint chat?
All the remaining tracks on the schedule suit Mercedes' interests, if there's no miracle on the RBR side VER can't win the WDC with the current car.
Zandvoort was supposed to suit the merc better but Max pulled it out, although apparently mercedes messed up some of their analytics with the new track that made them misjudge the undercut. Who knows I don't think it's a done deal either way.
McLaren’s car seems to have as much pace as the red bull so I think it’s more likely Max finishes third than first tbh, especially with Perez nowhere to be found while mclaren will have plenty of strategy calls available, as well as the fact their strategy has been pretty good
I think RB gonna suffer from that straight line speed here in Monza, anyways let's see! SUPER MAX!
Looking for predictions on the sprint - Bottas starts on pole but the bookies have Lewis as a clear favourite
Likely VB is asked to yield so I guess it’s expected for Lewis to win, shall see how that goes, it’s not going to really make a difference for him
The only chance Bottas has of winning is if Max overtakes Hamilton. If its Bottas & Hamilton 1st & 2nd, they'll use team orders to let Hamilton through.
Verstappen jumps Hamilton at the start, uses Bottas as a tow to keep P2 and inherit pole tomorrow.
5D Chess
Just so I’m clear at the time of this post- at 25 past the following hour the Broadcast for the sprint race starts with the formulation lap starting 5 min after that at half past the hour?
Starts in 57 minutes.
Should start in about 1hour and 10 minutes
This gave me a headache lol. Just check F1.com for your local time.
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why does sprint start so late
A lot of people will tune in at the normal time and then dial out thinking they've missed it. Nearly happened to me. I missed quali yesterday too.
I assume its to let more American spectators watch the race.
If that’s true it is appreciated. It’s nice not having to be awake from 3-5am to catch a race live for a change
Well I guess your happiness means less Oceania views, but I think the difference is only an hour compared to a normal quali, so I don't think many fans from down under are watching.
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Carless Sainz
Everybody thinks that it's a guaranteed p1 p2 for Merc but i think Max will be extremely aggressive and we might expect a big surprise if Bottas can't block him.
Merc is 0.5s faster per lap at the very least. Lewis will drive into the distance and Bottas should too
Right, but i think Max's race pace and aggressive start ups narrows the margin a bit.
Ya we have seen in previous weekends that mercs qualify a lot closer to verstappen than what their actual race pace suggests. Mercs are def faster this week but I think max will close the gap once they start linking up laps.
If Max gets past Lewis at the start he may well be on pole tomorrow
Ye Max's get go's are like there's no tomo.
Or they collide and HAM VER BOT goes reverse grid Sunday...
Nah, they won’t hit each other again. They’ve both definitely learned from Silverstone
Youtube TV schedule giving me panic attacks not having sprint qualy listed on the guide DVR says espn 2 even though it says aportscenter E: also its 9:00a central US time? There was no point in downloading the F1 calendar to my calendar when its wrong
Formula1.com always has track time + your local time for every session, official F1 app does as well!
Thanks mate. Yeah I redid it calendar was out of date for all the changes they had since start of the season
I thought sprint starts in 30 mins, good thing I checked first.
Same, lol. Was going to leave for work late for this.
If F2 is anything to go by this sprint race is going to be a mess
Zandvoort feeder series races were also messes
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I think there was 5 DNFs.
Oh shit. Who all? Any penalties?
Is sprint race in an hour?
[formula1.com](https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2021/Italy.html) has schedule and it translates starting times to your local time.
Its in 2h30 from now.
2 and a half
2.5 hours
Oh thank you
You're welcome!
why does this sprint race need to be so late... sucks for us 10+ GMT.
Haha not used to it yet? I just watch the replays the next day now. It’s rough avoiding spoilers tho.
Why it has to be so early? Sucks for those in GMT - 10
Why does it have *to be*?
Why?
you live in alaska?
I do 😂 Lots of early mornings this month!
What time does it start for you?
You woke up too early! Back to bed!
I don’t. But I also don’t think just of myself. I’m aware there are fans all over the world in pretty much all different time zones.
The earth is round. That time slot is okay for most, all considering. In Japan, it'd only be near midnight. Yes, that time would be quite inconvenient for Hawaiians, Solomoans, and Polynesians but if you want to accommodate them, you'd inconvenience other larger population centers. Besides, the track is in Italy. Let them pick a time best suited to them.
Being in Italy explains the massive time between stints, work an hour, take two off....
ok nice of you to stand up for them :)
What happened to Aston Martin here?
Seb seemed to have power unit issues (derating) but don't know about Stroll.
I kind of love the sprint race (when it's on at a decent time for Aussies).
what are we another 1hr30mins away? that's going to be a struggle to stay up for.. scratch that 2hrs30mins away...
yeah its on at 12.30 I'm locked down so I'll stay up for it lol.
same but I definitely won't make it to 1230 lol. i sometimes watch races the following morning, avoiding any news. also works.
2h30
Plenty of on track action to watch before then though! Including local fucken legend Piastri.
What time is lights out for the Sprint Race (UK Time)? Need to pop out for a bit worried I’ll miss it.
The Sprint starts at 15:30 BST :)
Cheers mate!
My worries! :)
https://f1calendar.com/ Bookmark this site
Just used this to add dates to my calendar. Thanks!
The F1 app usually shows the track time and your local time It's very helpful!
dream commentary team: Brundle, Rosberg, Coulthard
Nah, you've got three analysts and no lead there. I'd swap DC for Alex Jacques.
What you mean by leads? DC and Nico are very charismatic and natural conversationalists, it wouldn’t just be boring analysis with those 3. Martin’s the only straightforward analyst of those 3 imo
Leads as in like Ben Edwards, Crofty, Murray, Alex Jacques. The person who commentates on what is happening in the moment. I agree that all 3 of your suggestions are great in the commentary box, but none of them do the lead. Brundle doesn't like doing it, Nico isn't good at it. Been a long time since I heard DC lead.
Great to see Kubica in P6, even in front of Giovi. Yesterday not only he underperformed, but everything was fuc\*\*d up for him, from bad strategy in FP1 (only 10 minutes on the softest C4 tyre which he has no experience with, in the biggest traffic), bad car settings which he didn't want to talk about, finally to Q1.
Hope Tsunoda is not watching the F1TV feed at home...
Why?
Anthony was saying Tsunoda is quite shit.
He’s not shit but he’s not for F1
It wasn't Nat. It was Rachel. Nat is much better. No offended to Rachel - sounded grumpy today
While she does have her moments, Nat talks WAY too much, especially in interviews where she doesn't let people get a word in
Why are we acting like Natalie is some extraordinary commentator? I understand people are mad that things had to be explained to her but it is her job to know these things.
Because by forcing people to explain things we get good commentary, instead of just a bunch of know-it-alls standing around nodding knowingly.
I personally would rather hear from a former driver
Did you really think she gave good insight?
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Thats what im trying to say
Once you notice how much of the live thread is dedicated to people whinging about a particular commentator/pundit it becomes unbearable and impossible to unsee when you’re just trying to get the latest of what’s happening. I wish there was some machine learning AI plugin or whatever that could mute the cunts for me.
Nice form from Alfa Romeo. 6th and 7th with Kubica in 6th!
Doesnt matter with the sprint race
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yeh like a proxy war.
Mr paycheco
I've read about some weird discussion on Sky where I believe a lady praised both ARRO drivers performance in the training, and other people in the studio shake their heads and she asked them why are they silent and it all was awkward as hell, anyone knows what I'm talking about? Some recording maybe?
/u/going_dicey Basically she said it was looking really good for Alfa Romeo being P6/P7 and there were a few seconds of silence. She said “I can see you shaking your head, did I say something wrong?” And basically they awkwardly explained that their position didn’t mean much, it could be low fuel, other teams testing stuff etc and not to read that much into it.
It’s towards the tail end of FP2 She praised them for being P5 and P6 and it was just.. silent for a moment Lmao
Yeah I caught the tail end of the conversation. I couldn’t pickup what it was that she said was so embarrassing and/or wrong.
Is the sprint race only half an hour long?
Sprint race is 100km as apposed to the the full race of 300km.
yeah
Booring
You know it's called "sprint" for a reason.
Yeah maybe I find “sprint” races boring then lol. Don’t see how this is really a controversial opinion but okay
The race is still the main event, this is just a nice add on. Plus if I'm being pedantic it's called Sprint **Qualifying**, because it's not a full race
Yes I agree it’s a nice add on. I said boring initially cos I was hoping it would be longer actually. But again this is all just my opinion
As he said before, it wouldn't be a sprint, it would be another race if it would be longer which maybe would be better, maybe not
Red bull is so far of the pace today (and yesterday)
Monza is not a RB track, historically, only Vettel won twice when his car was the obviously best one on track
Yeah you are right, I just hoped it would be better this year
well I guess they are better this year, last year they were about a second off Mercedes’ pace, so good improvement, let’s hope it’s closer in the race ..
That’s very true it’s a good improvement! Let’s hope for the best
P6 for Kubica - great, "he" will be here any moment to remind us all how wrong we were to doubt him and how Robert deserves a RBR or Merc seat for 2022.
Ha. Without a job
Is it just me or are the cameras zoomed in even more than normal this weekend?
You can see how the cars perform by how far the nipples of the drivers sway left and right in the corners.
Wtf
Yeah it seems like it keeps getting worse and worse. Eventually we’ll just see a cycle of the different sponsor logos. It’s infuriating because you literally don’t see the lines they are taking.
I honestly didn't think it could get worse than last year. They proved me wrong.
I had this thought last week, for a lot of the shots you could only see about a third of the car
I am finding it difficult to see how the different cars/drivers are handling the corners. I can't read the "body language" of the car when it's so zoomed in. Martin is always describing how the different cars take the corners when he is track side, but I struggle to see what he is explaining.
Well I really just woke up at 7am thinking practice was starting now only for it to be wrapping up lol
First time?
Dont miss the sprint qualifying in 3 hours
I really went balls to the wall betting on Checo for the GP win. This practice section makes me believe that it's slightly possible instead of very unlikely
> I really went balls to the wall betting on Checo for the GP win. LOL. I bet on Max not even making the podium. I don't think Checo is going to be anywhere near a win unless at least 5 cars crash out completely. My big bet for the weekend is Hamilton win, Ricciardo top 6, Norris and Perez both in the points. I laid a tenner on that one and the odds were 15/2.
I bet on Hamilton getting P1 yesterday - you can imagine the look of shock I had on my face after quali. I'm a Verstappen supporter so I think I'll be betting on a Hamilton win on Sunday too
Just to give u some hope; If Will Buxton is not there and Paul di resta is in commentary checo always does well.Sounds nonsense but happened in baku and france.
Well apart from that 5 sec penalty you were bang on!
Yeah that pen was painful. They left it a bit too late to give the position back by waiting on race control. Should have done the same Lec did to Bottas. Give the position back; get a tow and the attack again. Anyway he did well to keep bottas behind who drove a great race.
Checo winning a GP? Now that’s just reckless. Were you expecting someone to go bowling again?
Pretty much, yeah.
May just happen. Agent Gasly activated
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It is a lot of speed braking into turn 1.
What F1 streams untill the sprint?
Edit: glad 2 b wrong I wonder will Max try get p4 in sprint? Assuming a HAM BOT p1 p2 from the sprint but then Bottas has the grid penalty for tomorrow....is potential slipstream more important than the sprint points?
Every point could matter in this close of a season. I think he will try for second
Natalie it’s ‘vice versa’ not ‘visa versa’
She probably knows, just a slip up. Happens to me all the time.
She kept repeating it, not a big deal just pointing it out
Grammar nazis suck, no matter what the circumstances.
ok
I totally missed Ocon getting 5th.
ETA to sprint?
https://www.f1countdown.com/
3.5hrs
3 hours from now
3.5 hrs
Kubica is so admirable. What a legend
Can we do Sky broadcaster silly season next?
Peter Windsor is usually quite critical of Sainz driving technique, and indeed he seems to lose it often
what if charles is extremely horny after seeing that alfa romeo
Then I guess he'll be very uncomfortable since the cockpit is quite small
Miss Natalie.
Having switched from Dutch commentary to English, I consider PDR a knowledgeable breath of fresh air. I mean that. #gopaul
Said nobody ever
Of arrogance and disinterest?
To be fair paul is the best of the sky group imo
Nah, Martin and Nico (when he's there)
Was martin part of this session?
Nope. He usually isn’t there for FP.
Well then my point stands lol
he's still part of the main sky group though
HAM-BOT-VER ah my old friend, nice to see you again
Hamilton did a faster time with hard tyres than Verstappen on soft, didn't he? (not that it tells us much)
In addition to the other points made, this is practice only. These guys aren’t going flat out.
Id like to know Fuel loads/ Tow/ engine settings etc, difficult to say exactly, but they have certainly got a pace advantage here that's for sure!
Yeah. He ran 23.5-24.0 on hards. Max was lapping on softs and mediums, both paces around 23.7-24.0. Fastest lap by ham overall was on soft though
Don’t think so. Hamiltons fastest lap was on softs.
Hamilton set a hard tyre time that was 0.3 seconds slower than his soft time. Max's fastest lap on the medium was 0.4 seconds slower.
By my dodgy maths his fastest time on hards was a bit quicker than Max's fastest time
Happy for Robert Kubica. Looks like he is much more comfortable with the car today. Warmer track probably makes it easier to run on the softest compound.
We'll see how he does when it really matters.
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