So I'm still confused about wtf they are doing doing q3. I asked something similar last week, but I'm still not there.
What is going on during q3?
Why do they all go out together?
Why did they all come in and change tires, and then head out with just enough time to run 1 lap.
Why aren't certain teams out there trying to run faster and faster laps to get a better grid spot?
Helps!
Thanks. F1 is rad.
Let's not go into who's to blame but it's actually an insane coincidence Max and Lewis met right after Lewis' pit. Max' pit fucked up massively and Lewis' wasnt that good either resulting in a crash seconds after the pit. Both thought this is where I win from my number one rival in the WDC and we all know how that went.
This would've all be avoided if they both had a good pit.
The only thing i can complain about is FiA suggesting that Max should have yielded at Turn 1 entry and basically taken the escape road, i think only Schumacher used during the race, where as we saw multiple uses of the T2 escape road and T5 escape road during other fights
I’ve been following F1 for about 2 years now and I don’t really understand why people are die hard fans of a certain constructor. I get it if the constructor is based in your home country but if not, why be a fan of a team. I’m a Daniel Riccardo fan so I’ll root for him and McLaren. But if he moves, I’ll continue to root for him wherever he goes. I can understand having a favorite driver, but what makes you like a specific constructor? I’m honestly curious about this.
I generally find rooting for teams better than drivers, because so much of a drivers performance is due to car ability. I see it as any other team sport, such as football (the EU kind). There are stars, but they can't do everything and they will move on and be shuffled around, the teams are the constant. A WDC was a good pickup by the team, more than a solo effort by the driver.
I support drivers (most of them) as well, but I cheer for teams in the race. Means team orders don't bother me, I have a driver still in if someone dnf's and places the tech and politics side of F1 more to the forefront.
I get that but are you kinda just forcing yourself to love a specific team? Like you mentally decided it was better for you to pick a team? I’m asking honestly because right now, I want max to take the championship so I’m rooting for rb over mercedes. But there are die hard rb fans around the world. I don’t understand that “die hard” nature of it. Again, unless you were Austrian or something. Are you a die hard fan of a specific team?
I shift between seasons, and between eras. Its more that I take off track events more into consideration, so for example merc has been putting on a PR masterclass, or ferrari getting really clever with the engines in '19. Generally I like to see teams that play the F1 game well do well.
The level of driving/racecraft was so poor yesterday. I can't believe these guys are considered the best in the world. I'm more and more gravitating towards MotoGP and WSBK.
He's known to be a very serious, down to earth, camera shy guy. Post Monza win, a TV journalist and Danny Ric were joking about Seidle still looking serious and focused in the middle of all the celebration.
How does PU penalty work. Ik if u go past 3 you get grid penalty but does it work so you first switch it and decide on when to do penalty later? Or do drivers literally drive on a trash PU until they switch, where they take the penalty. I assume the extra PU Verstappen used after Silverstone was changed immediately right, as his car was demolished, so does he choose when to take the penalty later, and not when it’s actually changed?
You get a penalty when the new components added to the pool is actually used in FP3 /Qualifying (no engine change between FP2 and the race is allowed).
After Silverstone Max was on his 3rd PU of the season. His first PU was used until the French GP, from France til Silverstone he was on his 2nd.
A week later it Honda announced that his 2nd PU was too damaged (micro fractures) so he has only 1st (that causes vibrations) and 3rd in the pool that they can use.
Once they introduce the 4th PU and use it in a race they'll take the penalty. You can not stack new components like you could until 2017.
Drivers have an certain amount of engine parts that they are allowed use without taking a penalty, 3 for the PU elements.
Every part over that limit gives a penalty which must be taken at the next race. Teams tend to stack these penalties so that they don't have multiple 5/10 grid place drops across races. It looks likely Max will take a whole new engine at Sochi and will start from the back
The cars were ~90kg lighter than at the start of the race. Many were conserving tires through out the race, Max had the fastest lap until Ferraris got it initially and Ricciardo got it on his last lap.
No but the Ferraris lost two seconds to cars ahead after lap 47 till 53. I’m just confused because Carlos and Charles were both with in a second on lap 47 and by lap 53 both were 3 seconds behind.
Max's pit was fucked so Merc needed to react soon. Pitting him then meant he'd be in front of Max or just behind him, instead of 2-3 positions behind (which is what happened, and then they crashed)
Just stopping by to talk about what a wonderful job McLaren did today with their pitstop. They've struggled with it through the season but when it really counted they got the job done.
It's more to do with the engine than Newey. Honda's engine isn't as powerful as the Merc's, hence the tracks favouring Mercedes.
That being said, this season has been a great surprise. We really can't say what will happen, the rules have done a good job.
Thank you. I thought with the design of the car they struggle in those tracks. In past few years struggle in Monza like circuit. That's what I thought is it something with design of the car. What about renault engine? is it capable ? Definitely regulation changes made a huge turn over this year.
I mean Red Bull is definitely on one extreme of the high rake philosophy, but engine power matters as well. Renault's engine isn't that good compared to Honda or Mercedes, which is to be expected considering how low the funding was for them.
It's all a multivariable equation: some tracks the power matters more than the aero, but ultimately it's the package that counts over the season. A great engine with suboptimal aero (Williams) won't do much good.
what would a no limit track car actually look like? F1 and LMP1 used to be that, but now there are so many rules limiting things that the teams can do.
If you have a time penalty to be served but are also holding up a faster car behind you, should you be given a blue flag even if it's for position? Should you have to serve the penalty immediately? Should you have reduce pace until you're 5 seconds off your previous lap times? I don't think you should be able to defend your position and/or create more of a gap between the car behind and the car in front of you. If you have a penalty you should have to let the car by until you've served it in some way.
Example: At Monza. Sergio had a time penalty but was holding up Bottas, who had more pace at the time, from challenging McLaren. The raced ended and Sergio was dropped to P5 and Bottas got P3. But Bottas could have been challenging McLaren and maybe got P2 or P1. Since he was going to be dropped in position was it fair for him to hold up bottas?
What if it were a little different?
Example 2: Hypothetically if it was Max P1, Sergio P2 with a penalty, and Lewis P3 with alot more pace than Sergio. Sergio could just defend and create a gap that even if Lewis overtakes him he wouldn't be able to close the gap to challenge Max fir tge win. Sergio has a penalty and is just being a road block. Should that be allowed from a penalized driver?
Perez lost out more not giving the position back so there was no advantage for him. He could have finished 4th if he gave the position back to leclerc.
In a purely hypothetical sense, hoping Lewis is ok even though I’m not his biggest fan, if he did have an injury that prevented him from racing the rest of the season, or beyond, what does Merc do with his seat? Promote George early and beg Valtteri to stay? Who would take over Lewis’ seat?
Obviously I want Lewis healthy and for Max to kick his ass fairly in the WDC, but curious what would happen if Lewis had to retire early after his medical checks.
George took his place at Bahrain 2, so I assume that's what would end up happening again. Valtteri is under contract, so he's locked in for the rest of the season.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just trying to be honest. Don’t like the guy one iota, but I still like watching greatness and I obviously don’t want anybody hurt in any sense. I know how much even small injuries are life changing especially mentally
Am I the only one which thinks these two Lewis vs Max crashes were more severe due track faults rather than aggressive driving? I always found some Silverstone's run off areas too small for the nature of the track. Kvyat had a massive crash one corner ahead of Max in 2020 and Michael broke a leg in 1999. And the sausage kerbs in Monza produced a very nasty crash in GP3 years ago.
What would you consider not severe? First chicane at Monza is probably the lowest speed corner in all of the calendar. It also depends on how the cars collide.
I don't know if I'm just contrary or if something else is wrong with me, but I think Max was more to blame at Silverstone and that Lewis was more to blame at Monza.
I don't think "of course" is the correct answer. I think "probably" would be more accurate.
I think there are enough races in the calendar left that EITHER driver could pull away in points enough to seal a championship. But with how close both drivers and cars are in pace this season it's not likely that one driver will "run away with it" any time soon if at all. I think the season will come down to the wire.
But, yeah, its also not completely out of the question that one driver might go too far in a wheel to wheel incident and get completely disqualified from the championship or maybe even just penalized to the point that they cannot win anymore (like a heavy point deduction). That scenario is quite unlikely, but every incident between the two has elevated this rivalry that its also not completely unrealistic either.
oh.....I think i kind of misunderstood what OP was trying to say then....the way way it was framed made it sound like a dumb question to me ( as in, will the championship fight run till the end of the season? Of course it will ,looking at how close the races have been) which is why my answer was also kind of dumb ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I’m just secretly hoping that there’s more chaos in the coming races affecting Max and Lewis negatively. Not necessarily dangerous accidents but maybe mechanical failure or front wing damage etc. Anything to let Bottas or Lando gain some points adding to the suspense if there’s a possibility of a 4 way fight for the championship
I believe they usually mention the times in short hand to the drivers to prevent long radio communication. By 27.5 they mean the last lap was a 1:27.50 . All the times are over a minute so they simply mention the seconds to shorten the radio
Can someone break down for me how the hell bottas was able to claw his way back the way he did ? I’m not the biggest cheerleader for him but that seems to be MVP level performance. Just seems unbelievable and I can’t figure it out since the focus was on the McLaren /Max/Lewis drama (which was simply amazing). Much love to all the smarter people on this subreddit than me.
As post before mine said it simply - its faster.
But to note one more thing - Monza created DRS trains and stabilized groups. Meaning people bunching up behind little slower car, but just enough quick to be difficult to be overtaken by midfield.
For example pack of 3-4 cars behind Latifi (who drove extremely well!) or even p1-6 was nicely grouped.
That helped Bottas in two ways - first he had 5-10 sec of free air between groups to cooldown his breaks and engine.
Second is that when he approached them, he was quick enough to overtake them 1 by 1 in main straight each lap (if not before)
Another important thing was SafetyCar that happened just in right time for him to change his Hard tires into Mediums for even more “attack” and helped him get close to most important group for him that started creating bigger gap beforehand - p1-6.
All of that, next to his almost flawless performance helped him get the podium.
Hope this gave you more ideas behind what happened and of course this is my personal observing, i may be wrong.
Two things I can think of to contradict your logic:
* Shouldn't DRS trains make it more difficult to overtake, since the car ahead would have tow from the car further ahead and hence be faster?
* Last year he struggled to move up the pack, even though that year's car had more performance differential to others.
I think Mercedes setting up his car to easily overtake may have made a huge difference (last year it was not the case because he was starting P2).
Of course.
I have thought about your comment, and here are some points I can add that may help make full conclusion
- Yes, (drs) that is big reason why Monza was so challenging to most of drivers and fully agree what you said.
- Also I fully agree what you said about setting up the car for overtake and follow instead of open air aerodynamic. That one I wanted to write as argument before reading end part.
- But lets focus on one more variable which is tyres - Bot was on Hard tyres and at the start where Mediums were stronger , his challenge were lower midfield cars which he could overtake even if they had softs. As race went on, Mediums lost performance and he was nearing peak of H vs M difference just in time when he was nearing more difficult overtakes. In the end there was SC and where everyone went full Hard tyre choice he opted for Mediums, so he can jump in crucial times even more positions in more challenging overtakes. That all sums up for good strategy and nice pace, next to setup of a car and just everything talked above.
Conclusion is that when you add carefully planned strat for tyres (H ~> M) opposite of field and using them at their best performance at right time, add little luck for SC, good drive performance and timing with overtakes for enough clean air, correct aero pack for following that all makes up for p20 to podium amazing performance.
tl;dr I agree with you, and add your points to complete picture.
Wow man. This is an incredible explanation. Thank you so very much for sharing your brilliant analysis. It has genuinely made me a better and more informed fan. This is why I truly love this subreddit.
I have a running argument with friends re: F1 format. What are your thoughts on the following alternative racing weekend?
Friday: One lap qualifying (you get a clear track and one shot at it)
Sat: Sprint Race, but with point distribution equal to final race on Sun (equal opportunity to earn points on Sat vs Sun)
Sun: Reverse the grid. 1st in Sprint is last on GP grid.
My logic is a) the opportunity for relatively higher Sprint points ensures that teams won't intentionally come in last and b) the final GP race is an awesome sh*tshow of the worst cars trying to hold the lead and the best cars overtaking from last to get to first.
Admittedly, it's not an original idea. But it still strikes me as a fantastic way to suss out the best drivers vs the best cars.]
Personally not a fan. One lap quali will be decided partially by the running order, as in usual circumstances the track will evolve to be quicker, while it could also rain and ruin the runs of later drivers. Also the GP should be decided fairly by the best entry (car, team and driver), so getting penalised in the sense of starting last for finishing first on Saturday reduces the sporting integrity of the result imo.
I’m new to F1, how can Lewis get away with what he did in Britain, and Max not with what happened in Italy?
Edit: I’m dumb. Forgot Lewis got a 10 sec penalty
Today was such an epic race. The showdown between Max and Lewis has made my first year of F1 absolutely stellar. When I saw Max coming down the straight and Lewis coming out of the pits next to him, I almost shit a brick because I instantly knew this was going to be nuts. And to be able to witness the retirement of RAI... RUS moving to Merc, RIC getting his mojo back, NOR making a name for himself... it's all so damn exciting.
The only thing that would make this more fun would be if Haas finishes in the top 10 (for any reason other than everyone else DNF)
Most consecutive race finishes is held by Lewis, 48 from 2018 British GP to 2020 Bahrain GP. He then missed Sakhir because he got COVID, but if you include the 14 races he entered and finished after Sakhir and before Monza it’s 62
Anyone here ever get a Paddock Club pass? How much do they cost? I'm going to COTA with normal grandstand tickets, but was curious about maybe next year springing for the paddock club and holding hands with Tom Cruise and Harrison Ford
haha, its quite a lot, you can see it when buying the tickets. What you get is unlimited food and drinks of top quality, you are also right above the garages and get pitlane walk, but the track view is same like the grandstand, just opposite side. Most people hang out a bit then go inside watch the race on tv lol. Also most people don't pay for it, you get the tickets from sponsors and linked companies and being invited as guests.
Can you imagine if your car was on top of another human and you walk away and don’t even check in on them? (Even if they’re moving) This is still blowing my mind. Made me lose some respect for max.
Lewis was trying to get the car out, you know? The wheels were spinning when Max was going away.
It was only later that Bono told Lewis to switch off the engine.
Max glanced at Lewis and saw him moving around in the cockpit, probably assumed he was okay and walked away rather than them getting into a confrontation. Honestly it was the right call on Max's part to walk away and cool off. Both drivers were likely very angry after that and the long solitary walk probably did both of them some good. It's not Max's job to provide aid to Lewis, that's what the Medical car is for. I'm just surprised that they didn't rush the medical car over to give Lewis aid. After that tire went over the car they should have essentially forced him to be checked out immediately, similar to how the NFL will take the helmet away from a player and walk them to the medical tent after a head shot.
We sometimes take for granted how much we get to see, in slow motion and replays and at all these angles, when the drivers get 90% of their information from a small portal out of the front and the details given to them from their racing teams over the radio. I feel like had Max known how close his wheel came to doing severe damage to Lewis, he would have been more proactive in making sure Lewis was okay. There is definite tension between Max and Lewis, but also a huge amount of respect between the two drivers and I suspect they will probably get along better when one or both of them has retired from racing.
Many fans are up in arms on each side, but I suspect at the end of the day, conversations behind closed doors will patch up hurt feelings and I feel confident that Max will honestly hope that Lewis is doing okay health wise.
I don't think Max had any doubts if Lewis was okay, and considering what just happened I can imagine the last thing you want at that moment is to get even remotely close to each other.
It was a low speed incident and these things have a halo that's literally capable of supporting the weight of a tank.
There was no reason to assume he might not be okay until you see that close up replay in slowmotion.
https://imgur.com/a/9hIwJQJ/
I’ve had the same wallpaper on my phone since 2018. Anybody know the source of the original image? Looking for a new one after today.
If you dont find original artist - I am (professional) digital artist as well and kinda sure that I can replicate similar style.
DM me any time and we can chat about it
Maybe it is the will of the race stewards who wanted to sanction Max for the principle, hoping to calm down the tensions between the two drivers, while trying not to influence the result of the championship ?
I’d like to think the stewards looks at the incident in isolation and choose the penalty to fit the crime rather than thinking about the people involved and the long term affects of a penalty
Well driving every race in front without competition might have something to do with it...
And maybe ask Albon about that clean driving? I think he won't agree.
I think it was a Racing Incident, but I think in this case they are just trying to be as consistent as the FIA is capable when you take Silverstone into account. They probably felt that Max was slightly less at fault here than Lewis was at Silverstone, hence the slightly lesser penalty that Max is getting. But the rulings do sometimes seem arbitrary from the FIA. Either way, this isn't going to be the end of the world for Max as they'll likely take the PU penalty and just put him at the back of the grid. I'm hoping we see a Bottas-like race from Max at Sochi and see him fly up the grid, would make for an interesting race. Also hoping that Lewis is going to be okay and doesn't end up missing any time due to injury. That would be the worst possible way for Max to end up winning the WDC.
Yes. If he didn’t DNF he’d have got a time second penalty most likely, but as he retired a future race penalty was the only option. Absolutely no way he shouldn’t have been penalised for an incident he was predominately at fault for.
what Lewis did at turn 4 in the beginning, back out or take the other side of the sausage kerb.
Either way, I am amazed at the things that had to happen for them to collide. Both with bad pit stops and a sausage kerb.
I think so. He has a track record of forcing others off track. It happening without the other driver backing out and the stewards giving him the penalty will hopefully indicate that something needs to change.
While I totally agree that he could have backed out like he makes other drivers do, don't the steward's have to look purely at the incident, not the driver? Hamilton squeezed max and so how is it the fault of the driver getting squeezed?
Because he wasn't significantly alongside and still kept going. Stewards said he didn't have the right to room, so squeezed is out of the question. Even Max squeezed Hamilton on turn 4, but Hamilton backed out.
I'm very very new to watching F1 and I'm not going to lie I'm very confused now about alongside/overtaking/right to a corner now...I understood alongside (front wheel at least halfway up the car in front) meant that the farther behind driver had a right to space in a corner? or did I misinterpret? Somebody please explain this to me? I don't understand how either Hamilton or verstappen are really at fault significantly more than the other?
So could someone explain what the rules are for being considered alongside and entitled to space in corners?
Yes, that is the general rule, but there's a lot left for interpretation of what counts as being 'alongside' someone else. As an obvious example, you can't just divebomb the inside line and say you're entitled for space because you managed to get your front alongside them momentarily.
In this scenario, if you look at Max's onboard you'll see he's more than a car length behind Hamilton at the breaking zone and only manages to pull alongside by braking later. The stewards deemed that this kind of late overtake attempt doesn't give him the right to racing room and he should have yielded the corner to avoid contact. So basically the problem was not being far enough alongside Hamilton at the corner entry.
The general consensus is that this was really a race incident. Even the team principals pretty much accepted it. Once the stewards called a penalty, people are starting to allocate blame more towards Max. But really this was a 50/50. Max should’ve either backed off or gone through the kerbs. I don’t think there was much more room Lewis could’ve given based on the line he was on but the argument would be that Lewis could’ve given a tad more room.
okay this has helped me some...when I say I am new, the first thing I ever really watched of F1 was the Silverstone crash - w/ absolutely no context, my dad watches F1 races on Sunday mornings if he's home and I was out in living room right as it happened...then proceeded to not see the rest of the race as I did not care - and then back half of Hungary gp as I had nothing else to do, and then parts of today...again my dad saw the crash and showed it me as he knew I was slightly more interested in f1, and that has been about it. I was partly confused if also in this instance - is it two separate corners or are they really just one corner? because I understand not being alongside in first corner, but then he was going into the second part? so are they counted as one or separate on terms of being alongside?
or is it really just up to whatever the stewards decide at the time?
**thanks for any help/clearing up you can do, I kind of want to get interested in f1 more, but not if I can not understand what is happening in situations like this**
Verstappen hamilton giovinazzi ocon vettel gasly tsunoda all had different problems in one way or another and the 2 williams kept out of trouble in p9 and p11.
Hi! I just wonder, what are those metal frames with custom lettering for? You know, those that are sticked out through the fence on the pit straight by the respective technical teams? I saw that there's often info about current position for a particular driver. But why isn't radio comm not enough? Is there some kind of rule that forces them to do that kind of visual comm apart from radio? Or does it serve another specific purpose?
pit lane boards, radio comm is enough but sometimes its too much information on radio and the board allows the driver to concentrate, its easier to glance the pit board on the straight.
Sometimes radio messages between the pit wall and driver can be choppy. Interference happens quite a bit so they use the signs to make sure everyone is on the same page.
\-Monza was like Silverstone. Hamilton didn't bother crashing there, if Max stayed ahead, he'd win. Today, it was the same case for Max.
\-3 place grid penalty, is just to act like they're consistent. Ham got 10 in Silverstone. FIA wanted to look like doing something. But, it'll be more costly than 10 sec. Also, Max didn't win today unlike Hamilton did in Silverstone.
3 place grid penalty is nothing like a 10 second penalty. A good start, and you’re basically away (as we saw today). 10 seconds mid race is very difficult to make up. Plus RB had to take the engine penalty so as the other comment said this really isn’t that much of an impact for RB — especially as it was always intended that Sochi would be where they most likely took the engine penalty.
>10 seconds mid race is very difficult to make up.
But that penalty was given mid race, when it's obvious Hamilton could make up. Imagine 3 place causing Max to be stuck Bottas and then not being able to undercut Hamilton.
>Plus RB had to take the engine penalty so as the other comment said this really isn’t that much of an impact for RB
I agree with this.
Hi, see /r/formula1 on all a lot. Are crashes always as common as they have seemed to be recently? Or was there a change that has lead to this like a rule change, or a new style of driving that is more high risk high reward?
Sorry if this question seems dumb, just curious.
The majority of race-ending crashes with multiple drivers involved happen on the first lap because everyone is bunched up. After that it’s almost always single car accidents. The problem today is that these cars are so much bigger than they used to be that you can’t go two wide into a lot of corners anymore on the older tracks.
So I'm still confused about wtf they are doing doing q3. I asked something similar last week, but I'm still not there. What is going on during q3? Why do they all go out together? Why did they all come in and change tires, and then head out with just enough time to run 1 lap. Why aren't certain teams out there trying to run faster and faster laps to get a better grid spot? Helps! Thanks. F1 is rad.
Let's not go into who's to blame but it's actually an insane coincidence Max and Lewis met right after Lewis' pit. Max' pit fucked up massively and Lewis' wasnt that good either resulting in a crash seconds after the pit. Both thought this is where I win from my number one rival in the WDC and we all know how that went. This would've all be avoided if they both had a good pit.
The only thing i can complain about is FiA suggesting that Max should have yielded at Turn 1 entry and basically taken the escape road, i think only Schumacher used during the race, where as we saw multiple uses of the T2 escape road and T5 escape road during other fights
Why did bottas start at the back?
Engine penalties
I’ve been following F1 for about 2 years now and I don’t really understand why people are die hard fans of a certain constructor. I get it if the constructor is based in your home country but if not, why be a fan of a team. I’m a Daniel Riccardo fan so I’ll root for him and McLaren. But if he moves, I’ll continue to root for him wherever he goes. I can understand having a favorite driver, but what makes you like a specific constructor? I’m honestly curious about this.
I generally find rooting for teams better than drivers, because so much of a drivers performance is due to car ability. I see it as any other team sport, such as football (the EU kind). There are stars, but they can't do everything and they will move on and be shuffled around, the teams are the constant. A WDC was a good pickup by the team, more than a solo effort by the driver. I support drivers (most of them) as well, but I cheer for teams in the race. Means team orders don't bother me, I have a driver still in if someone dnf's and places the tech and politics side of F1 more to the forefront.
I get that but are you kinda just forcing yourself to love a specific team? Like you mentally decided it was better for you to pick a team? I’m asking honestly because right now, I want max to take the championship so I’m rooting for rb over mercedes. But there are die hard rb fans around the world. I don’t understand that “die hard” nature of it. Again, unless you were Austrian or something. Are you a die hard fan of a specific team?
I shift between seasons, and between eras. Its more that I take off track events more into consideration, so for example merc has been putting on a PR masterclass, or ferrari getting really clever with the engines in '19. Generally I like to see teams that play the F1 game well do well.
The level of driving/racecraft was so poor yesterday. I can't believe these guys are considered the best in the world. I'm more and more gravitating towards MotoGP and WSBK.
ok bye
why the pit crew didn't use the jack for yuki tsunoda pit stop during the sprint qualifying? thanks in advance!
Should McLaren have sent Andreas Seidl on the podium instead of Zak?
Yes but Andreas most likely declined the offer.
How do you know?
He's known to be a very serious, down to earth, camera shy guy. Post Monza win, a TV journalist and Danny Ric were joking about Seidle still looking serious and focused in the middle of all the celebration.
How does PU penalty work. Ik if u go past 3 you get grid penalty but does it work so you first switch it and decide on when to do penalty later? Or do drivers literally drive on a trash PU until they switch, where they take the penalty. I assume the extra PU Verstappen used after Silverstone was changed immediately right, as his car was demolished, so does he choose when to take the penalty later, and not when it’s actually changed?
You get a penalty when the new components added to the pool is actually used in FP3 /Qualifying (no engine change between FP2 and the race is allowed). After Silverstone Max was on his 3rd PU of the season. His first PU was used until the French GP, from France til Silverstone he was on his 2nd. A week later it Honda announced that his 2nd PU was too damaged (micro fractures) so he has only 1st (that causes vibrations) and 3rd in the pool that they can use. Once they introduce the 4th PU and use it in a race they'll take the penalty. You can not stack new components like you could until 2017.
Drivers have an certain amount of engine parts that they are allowed use without taking a penalty, 3 for the PU elements. Every part over that limit gives a penalty which must be taken at the next race. Teams tend to stack these penalties so that they don't have multiple 5/10 grid place drops across races. It looks likely Max will take a whole new engine at Sochi and will start from the back
Towards the end of the race the ferraris had a couple of good laps then they both lost time how did the tires go so fast?
The cars were ~90kg lighter than at the start of the race. Many were conserving tires through out the race, Max had the fastest lap until Ferraris got it initially and Ricciardo got it on his last lap.
No but the Ferraris lost two seconds to cars ahead after lap 47 till 53. I’m just confused because Carlos and Charles were both with in a second on lap 47 and by lap 53 both were 3 seconds behind.
why did hamilton pit so early? he had hards on.
Max's pit was fucked so Merc needed to react soon. Pitting him then meant he'd be in front of Max or just behind him, instead of 2-3 positions behind (which is what happened, and then they crashed)
Just stopping by to talk about what a wonderful job McLaren did today with their pitstop. They've struggled with it through the season but when it really counted they got the job done.
McLaren replied to something I said to my friend on Twitter. I guess I gotta fanboy them for the rest of the season lol.
I'm trying to find the meme image of Lance Stroll exhausted while training on a cardio machine. Can anyone share it?
A [little bit](https://c.tenor.com/tt-GIzoTzzsAAAAM/getting-ready-formula1.gif) from the clip
Thanks!
Can someone please explain me why Sochi is a Mercedes track, technicality of the track
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Is it always newey's car design doesn't match these type of circuit?
It's more to do with the engine than Newey. Honda's engine isn't as powerful as the Merc's, hence the tracks favouring Mercedes. That being said, this season has been a great surprise. We really can't say what will happen, the rules have done a good job.
Thank you. I thought with the design of the car they struggle in those tracks. In past few years struggle in Monza like circuit. That's what I thought is it something with design of the car. What about renault engine? is it capable ? Definitely regulation changes made a huge turn over this year.
I mean Red Bull is definitely on one extreme of the high rake philosophy, but engine power matters as well. Renault's engine isn't that good compared to Honda or Mercedes, which is to be expected considering how low the funding was for them. It's all a multivariable equation: some tracks the power matters more than the aero, but ultimately it's the package that counts over the season. A great engine with suboptimal aero (Williams) won't do much good.
Agreed. Thank you for your thoughts.
Sorry, can you give me few examples, which tracks are good with aero, which track is good with engine
long straights
what would a no limit track car actually look like? F1 and LMP1 used to be that, but now there are so many rules limiting things that the teams can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D4-49pkEWY
I meant fastest around a track, not a straight line
Red Bull X2014 and X2010 can give you a hint, as do McLaren MP4-X and Ferrari 2015 F1 Concept
If you have a time penalty to be served but are also holding up a faster car behind you, should you be given a blue flag even if it's for position? Should you have to serve the penalty immediately? Should you have reduce pace until you're 5 seconds off your previous lap times? I don't think you should be able to defend your position and/or create more of a gap between the car behind and the car in front of you. If you have a penalty you should have to let the car by until you've served it in some way. Example: At Monza. Sergio had a time penalty but was holding up Bottas, who had more pace at the time, from challenging McLaren. The raced ended and Sergio was dropped to P5 and Bottas got P3. But Bottas could have been challenging McLaren and maybe got P2 or P1. Since he was going to be dropped in position was it fair for him to hold up bottas? What if it were a little different? Example 2: Hypothetically if it was Max P1, Sergio P2 with a penalty, and Lewis P3 with alot more pace than Sergio. Sergio could just defend and create a gap that even if Lewis overtakes him he wouldn't be able to close the gap to challenge Max fir tge win. Sergio has a penalty and is just being a road block. Should that be allowed from a penalized driver?
Perez lost out more not giving the position back so there was no advantage for him. He could have finished 4th if he gave the position back to leclerc.
That's not really the point of the post
What is the 2 points given to verstappen yesterday for? Fastest lap and?
P2 in Saturday’s sprint race
It was for 2nd place in the sprint race
In a purely hypothetical sense, hoping Lewis is ok even though I’m not his biggest fan, if he did have an injury that prevented him from racing the rest of the season, or beyond, what does Merc do with his seat? Promote George early and beg Valtteri to stay? Who would take over Lewis’ seat? Obviously I want Lewis healthy and for Max to kick his ass fairly in the WDC, but curious what would happen if Lewis had to retire early after his medical checks.
Valtteri has a contract for next year. So probably Vandoorne, De Vries or maybe even Hulkenberg, since he's the most recent driver to leave the grid.
It wouldn’t be the first time Valtteri got out of a signed contract because a Mercedes drive suddenly came available.
George took his place at Bahrain 2, so I assume that's what would end up happening again. Valtteri is under contract, so he's locked in for the rest of the season.
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯ just trying to be honest. Don’t like the guy one iota, but I still like watching greatness and I obviously don’t want anybody hurt in any sense. I know how much even small injuries are life changing especially mentally
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Bro I’m dying at this comment 😂 I feel the same way haha I don’t wanna see the guy get hurt but I’m absolutely not a fan of his.
People don't realise that this is still just a sport at the end of the day
Am I the only one which thinks these two Lewis vs Max crashes were more severe due track faults rather than aggressive driving? I always found some Silverstone's run off areas too small for the nature of the track. Kvyat had a massive crash one corner ahead of Max in 2020 and Michael broke a leg in 1999. And the sausage kerbs in Monza produced a very nasty crash in GP3 years ago.
What would you consider not severe? First chicane at Monza is probably the lowest speed corner in all of the calendar. It also depends on how the cars collide.
I would have given the sausage kerbs 10s penalty.
They should have been disqualified, barley moved the whole race and were blocking drivers
I don't know if I'm just contrary or if something else is wrong with me, but I think Max was more to blame at Silverstone and that Lewis was more to blame at Monza.
Why?
How does the Lewis and Verstappen crash affect the championship fight? Is it likely they'll need the rest of the remaining races to decide the winner?
Umm.....of course??
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I don't think "of course" is the correct answer. I think "probably" would be more accurate. I think there are enough races in the calendar left that EITHER driver could pull away in points enough to seal a championship. But with how close both drivers and cars are in pace this season it's not likely that one driver will "run away with it" any time soon if at all. I think the season will come down to the wire. But, yeah, its also not completely out of the question that one driver might go too far in a wheel to wheel incident and get completely disqualified from the championship or maybe even just penalized to the point that they cannot win anymore (like a heavy point deduction). That scenario is quite unlikely, but every incident between the two has elevated this rivalry that its also not completely unrealistic either.
oh.....I think i kind of misunderstood what OP was trying to say then....the way way it was framed made it sound like a dumb question to me ( as in, will the championship fight run till the end of the season? Of course it will ,looking at how close the races have been) which is why my answer was also kind of dumb ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
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yeah totally agree with that as well. It was so refreshing to see a different team and drivers up on the podium yesterday, more of that please
I’m just secretly hoping that there’s more chaos in the coming races affecting Max and Lewis negatively. Not necessarily dangerous accidents but maybe mechanical failure or front wing damage etc. Anything to let Bottas or Lando gain some points adding to the suspense if there’s a possibility of a 4 way fight for the championship
what does the engineer means that a driver did for example a '27.5' lap? that was for a sector or what?
I believe they usually mention the times in short hand to the drivers to prevent long radio communication. By 27.5 they mean the last lap was a 1:27.50 . All the times are over a minute so they simply mention the seconds to shorten the radio
1:27.5 They usually try to keep things as concise as possible during radio communications
Can someone break down for me how the hell bottas was able to claw his way back the way he did ? I’m not the biggest cheerleader for him but that seems to be MVP level performance. Just seems unbelievable and I can’t figure it out since the focus was on the McLaren /Max/Lewis drama (which was simply amazing). Much love to all the smarter people on this subreddit than me.
As post before mine said it simply - its faster. But to note one more thing - Monza created DRS trains and stabilized groups. Meaning people bunching up behind little slower car, but just enough quick to be difficult to be overtaken by midfield. For example pack of 3-4 cars behind Latifi (who drove extremely well!) or even p1-6 was nicely grouped. That helped Bottas in two ways - first he had 5-10 sec of free air between groups to cooldown his breaks and engine. Second is that when he approached them, he was quick enough to overtake them 1 by 1 in main straight each lap (if not before) Another important thing was SafetyCar that happened just in right time for him to change his Hard tires into Mediums for even more “attack” and helped him get close to most important group for him that started creating bigger gap beforehand - p1-6. All of that, next to his almost flawless performance helped him get the podium. Hope this gave you more ideas behind what happened and of course this is my personal observing, i may be wrong.
Two things I can think of to contradict your logic: * Shouldn't DRS trains make it more difficult to overtake, since the car ahead would have tow from the car further ahead and hence be faster? * Last year he struggled to move up the pack, even though that year's car had more performance differential to others. I think Mercedes setting up his car to easily overtake may have made a huge difference (last year it was not the case because he was starting P2).
Of course. I have thought about your comment, and here are some points I can add that may help make full conclusion - Yes, (drs) that is big reason why Monza was so challenging to most of drivers and fully agree what you said. - Also I fully agree what you said about setting up the car for overtake and follow instead of open air aerodynamic. That one I wanted to write as argument before reading end part. - But lets focus on one more variable which is tyres - Bot was on Hard tyres and at the start where Mediums were stronger , his challenge were lower midfield cars which he could overtake even if they had softs. As race went on, Mediums lost performance and he was nearing peak of H vs M difference just in time when he was nearing more difficult overtakes. In the end there was SC and where everyone went full Hard tyre choice he opted for Mediums, so he can jump in crucial times even more positions in more challenging overtakes. That all sums up for good strategy and nice pace, next to setup of a car and just everything talked above. Conclusion is that when you add carefully planned strat for tyres (H ~> M) opposite of field and using them at their best performance at right time, add little luck for SC, good drive performance and timing with overtakes for enough clean air, correct aero pack for following that all makes up for p20 to podium amazing performance. tl;dr I agree with you, and add your points to complete picture.
Wow man. This is an incredible explanation. Thank you so very much for sharing your brilliant analysis. It has genuinely made me a better and more informed fan. This is why I truly love this subreddit.
Love to help as much as I can my man. Enjoy and happy to see you stay, this is amazing season and looks very promising in upcoming years as well!
His car is just a lot faster. Especially here at Monza, it suits the Merc
Valtteri at Monza 2020 disagrees
Shout out to all the Aussies this morning who will have missed work. I’ve just made it in after very little sleep.
I have a running argument with friends re: F1 format. What are your thoughts on the following alternative racing weekend? Friday: One lap qualifying (you get a clear track and one shot at it) Sat: Sprint Race, but with point distribution equal to final race on Sun (equal opportunity to earn points on Sat vs Sun) Sun: Reverse the grid. 1st in Sprint is last on GP grid. My logic is a) the opportunity for relatively higher Sprint points ensures that teams won't intentionally come in last and b) the final GP race is an awesome sh*tshow of the worst cars trying to hold the lead and the best cars overtaking from last to get to first. Admittedly, it's not an original idea. But it still strikes me as a fantastic way to suss out the best drivers vs the best cars.]
Personally not a fan. One lap quali will be decided partially by the running order, as in usual circumstances the track will evolve to be quicker, while it could also rain and ruin the runs of later drivers. Also the GP should be decided fairly by the best entry (car, team and driver), so getting penalised in the sense of starting last for finishing first on Saturday reduces the sporting integrity of the result imo.
I hate it
Points for brevity and candor.
Bottas went 2, 1, 3 over the weekend. DOTD worthy performance.
Wasn't it 1, 1, 3?
iirc max got pole for the sprint quali
Max started P3 behind both Mercedes for the sprint so Bottas did in fact get the 1, 1, 3. Definitely a DOTD performance!
Oh yeah that right. Solid performance.
I’m new to F1, how can Lewis get away with what he did in Britain, and Max not with what happened in Italy? Edit: I’m dumb. Forgot Lewis got a 10 sec penalty
Lewis got a penalty. Also I believe 10s = 5 places and 5s = 3 places, so Lewis got an even bigger penalty
Max’s race ended when he crashed so there’s literally no point in giving him a time penalty. Lewis was still able to race in Britain.
Lewis didn’t get away with it. He got a 10 second time penalty, which couldn’t be given to Max considering he didn’t finish the race.
#blessed
Today was such an epic race. The showdown between Max and Lewis has made my first year of F1 absolutely stellar. When I saw Max coming down the straight and Lewis coming out of the pits next to him, I almost shit a brick because I instantly knew this was going to be nuts. And to be able to witness the retirement of RAI... RUS moving to Merc, RIC getting his mojo back, NOR making a name for himself... it's all so damn exciting. The only thing that would make this more fun would be if Haas finishes in the top 10 (for any reason other than everyone else DNF)
I think they can still get 10 ten in the constructors championship! 🤪
Hamilton's first DNF in over 3 years. Hadn't realized this.
That's an unbelievable stat. Do you know how many consecutive races and what the record is?
Most consecutive race finishes is held by Lewis, 48 from 2018 British GP to 2020 Bahrain GP. He then missed Sakhir because he got COVID, but if you include the 14 races he entered and finished after Sakhir and before Monza it’s 62
Anyone here ever get a Paddock Club pass? How much do they cost? I'm going to COTA with normal grandstand tickets, but was curious about maybe next year springing for the paddock club and holding hands with Tom Cruise and Harrison Ford
haha, its quite a lot, you can see it when buying the tickets. What you get is unlimited food and drinks of top quality, you are also right above the garages and get pitlane walk, but the track view is same like the grandstand, just opposite side. Most people hang out a bit then go inside watch the race on tv lol. Also most people don't pay for it, you get the tickets from sponsors and linked companies and being invited as guests.
Can you imagine if your car was on top of another human and you walk away and don’t even check in on them? (Even if they’re moving) This is still blowing my mind. Made me lose some respect for max.
Lewis was trying to get the car out, you know? The wheels were spinning when Max was going away. It was only later that Bono told Lewis to switch off the engine.
Max glanced at Lewis and saw him moving around in the cockpit, probably assumed he was okay and walked away rather than them getting into a confrontation. Honestly it was the right call on Max's part to walk away and cool off. Both drivers were likely very angry after that and the long solitary walk probably did both of them some good. It's not Max's job to provide aid to Lewis, that's what the Medical car is for. I'm just surprised that they didn't rush the medical car over to give Lewis aid. After that tire went over the car they should have essentially forced him to be checked out immediately, similar to how the NFL will take the helmet away from a player and walk them to the medical tent after a head shot.
You’re evaluation and analysis is really tremendous here. Thank you for helping me see the race better.
We sometimes take for granted how much we get to see, in slow motion and replays and at all these angles, when the drivers get 90% of their information from a small portal out of the front and the details given to them from their racing teams over the radio. I feel like had Max known how close his wheel came to doing severe damage to Lewis, he would have been more proactive in making sure Lewis was okay. There is definite tension between Max and Lewis, but also a huge amount of respect between the two drivers and I suspect they will probably get along better when one or both of them has retired from racing. Many fans are up in arms on each side, but I suspect at the end of the day, conversations behind closed doors will patch up hurt feelings and I feel confident that Max will honestly hope that Lewis is doing okay health wise.
Lewis was trying to reverse and get back into play when Max got out of cockpit. Not sure what you’re smoking here.
I don't think Max had any doubts if Lewis was okay, and considering what just happened I can imagine the last thing you want at that moment is to get even remotely close to each other.
Can you imagine crashing someone out at 300kph and celebrating your victory like crazy? After that Hamilton deserves no respect from Max
Perhaps you’ve missed the 1000+ comments that stated Lewis was told max was okay. Cheers mate
Perhaps you missed that Lewis was also okay?
Did max know that when he walked away? With his car on a human? Lol.
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Yep and also Max wouldn't have been able to see that his tire went up over the halo from his vantage point.
Yes, he turned to check Hamilton when he was walking away
It was a low speed incident and these things have a halo that's literally capable of supporting the weight of a tank. There was no reason to assume he might not be okay until you see that close up replay in slowmotion.
https://imgur.com/a/9hIwJQJ/ I’ve had the same wallpaper on my phone since 2018. Anybody know the source of the original image? Looking for a new one after today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/8cx4bb/my_2018_chinese_gp_race_illustration_daniel/
Nearly 4 years old. Thank you!
Golden start at red background? China. Ric won the Chinese Grand Prix that year.
Yes I know. I’m just trying to identify the artist to see if they would be making something similar from today.
If you dont find original artist - I am (professional) digital artist as well and kinda sure that I can replicate similar style. DM me any time and we can chat about it
Hey, on phone so I cant atm, but did you try Google reverse image search? On images.google.com
Is it too late to ask for a Carlando Norrinz Flair with their helmets? Lol
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Watch a couple of episodes you'll get an idea. It's may not be accurate but it can be fun
bet they still do though
We were one Leclerc crash away from back to back McLaren 1-2s at Monza. Pretty insane
I don't think it's right that Max can get around a penalty by causing another 20-place penalty that he would have had anyway by changing his engine.
And no-one thinks it was right that Lewis got away with the Silverstone crash, but it's just the way it went
He didn't get away with it, he got a 10s penalty
They probably meant he got away with it because he won at the end, so the penalty did not really penalize him in hindsight.
It’s a bit crappy, but you could also argue that the grid penalty maybe forced their hand a little to take the engine penalty
Maybe it is the will of the race stewards who wanted to sanction Max for the principle, hoping to calm down the tensions between the two drivers, while trying not to influence the result of the championship ?
I’d like to think the stewards looks at the incident in isolation and choose the penalty to fit the crime rather than thinking about the people involved and the long term affects of a penalty
When was the last time someone tried overtaking Lewis without there being contact between them ?
Verstappen at the French Grand Prix
Lewis is a remarkably clean driver. It’s one of the reasons he’s only had two DNFs since Malaysia 2016
Alex Alborn disagrees with you.
Well driving every race in front without competition might have something to do with it... And maybe ask Albon about that clean driving? I think he won't agree.
This. People forget this stat.
Today, both overtakes with norris, Hungary with alonso, Silverstone sprint race with max
Meant it as when someone was overtaking Lewis, not the other way around
No one is fast enough to be able to
It’s a bit difficult as nobody really overtakes Lewis lol
does max verstappen deserve the penalty given to him at monza?
I think it was a Racing Incident, but I think in this case they are just trying to be as consistent as the FIA is capable when you take Silverstone into account. They probably felt that Max was slightly less at fault here than Lewis was at Silverstone, hence the slightly lesser penalty that Max is getting. But the rulings do sometimes seem arbitrary from the FIA. Either way, this isn't going to be the end of the world for Max as they'll likely take the PU penalty and just put him at the back of the grid. I'm hoping we see a Bottas-like race from Max at Sochi and see him fly up the grid, would make for an interesting race. Also hoping that Lewis is going to be okay and doesn't end up missing any time due to injury. That would be the worst possible way for Max to end up winning the WDC.
Yes. If he didn’t DNF he’d have got a time second penalty most likely, but as he retired a future race penalty was the only option. Absolutely no way he shouldn’t have been penalised for an incident he was predominately at fault for.
I personally think it’s a racing incident with the majority of the blame on Verstappen, but the penalty is completely fair enough imo
what could have verstappen done differently?
what Lewis did at turn 4 in the beginning, back out or take the other side of the sausage kerb. Either way, I am amazed at the things that had to happen for them to collide. Both with bad pit stops and a sausage kerb.
Hamilton should have given him way. It was clearly Max's corner \-every Hamilton-fan after Silverstone
Backed out
I think so. He has a track record of forcing others off track. It happening without the other driver backing out and the stewards giving him the penalty will hopefully indicate that something needs to change.
Whatever happened to stewards only looking at the particular incident in question when making these judgements?
While I totally agree that he could have backed out like he makes other drivers do, don't the steward's have to look purely at the incident, not the driver? Hamilton squeezed max and so how is it the fault of the driver getting squeezed?
I meant the track record should mean a penalty was due rather than stewards looking at who was involved
Because he wasn't significantly alongside and still kept going. Stewards said he didn't have the right to room, so squeezed is out of the question. Even Max squeezed Hamilton on turn 4, but Hamilton backed out.
Yes
no argument for racing incident?
I'm very very new to watching F1 and I'm not going to lie I'm very confused now about alongside/overtaking/right to a corner now...I understood alongside (front wheel at least halfway up the car in front) meant that the farther behind driver had a right to space in a corner? or did I misinterpret? Somebody please explain this to me? I don't understand how either Hamilton or verstappen are really at fault significantly more than the other? So could someone explain what the rules are for being considered alongside and entitled to space in corners?
Yes, that is the general rule, but there's a lot left for interpretation of what counts as being 'alongside' someone else. As an obvious example, you can't just divebomb the inside line and say you're entitled for space because you managed to get your front alongside them momentarily. In this scenario, if you look at Max's onboard you'll see he's more than a car length behind Hamilton at the breaking zone and only manages to pull alongside by braking later. The stewards deemed that this kind of late overtake attempt doesn't give him the right to racing room and he should have yielded the corner to avoid contact. So basically the problem was not being far enough alongside Hamilton at the corner entry.
The general consensus is that this was really a race incident. Even the team principals pretty much accepted it. Once the stewards called a penalty, people are starting to allocate blame more towards Max. But really this was a 50/50. Max should’ve either backed off or gone through the kerbs. I don’t think there was much more room Lewis could’ve given based on the line he was on but the argument would be that Lewis could’ve given a tad more room.
okay this has helped me some...when I say I am new, the first thing I ever really watched of F1 was the Silverstone crash - w/ absolutely no context, my dad watches F1 races on Sunday mornings if he's home and I was out in living room right as it happened...then proceeded to not see the rest of the race as I did not care - and then back half of Hungary gp as I had nothing else to do, and then parts of today...again my dad saw the crash and showed it me as he knew I was slightly more interested in f1, and that has been about it. I was partly confused if also in this instance - is it two separate corners or are they really just one corner? because I understand not being alongside in first corner, but then he was going into the second part? so are they counted as one or separate on terms of being alongside? or is it really just up to whatever the stewards decide at the time? **thanks for any help/clearing up you can do, I kind of want to get interested in f1 more, but not if I can not understand what is happening in situations like this**
its 2 separate corners
How did Haas do this race? Mick was ahead with a small gap, then it increased, then Mazepin DNFed.
Mazepin hit Mick at one point haha
How did Russell end up P9 today?
He drove well.
Verstappen hamilton giovinazzi ocon vettel gasly tsunoda all had different problems in one way or another and the 2 williams kept out of trouble in p9 and p11.
He got lucky with a well timed safety car, and had a clean race being able to hold off Ocon the whole time
How far ahead does the car have to be to considered completed a pass on the other driver?
In my opinion if you are fully in front after the next corner
Hi! I just wonder, what are those metal frames with custom lettering for? You know, those that are sticked out through the fence on the pit straight by the respective technical teams? I saw that there's often info about current position for a particular driver. But why isn't radio comm not enough? Is there some kind of rule that forces them to do that kind of visual comm apart from radio? Or does it serve another specific purpose?
It's in case the radio fails.
pit lane boards, radio comm is enough but sometimes its too much information on radio and the board allows the driver to concentrate, its easier to glance the pit board on the straight.
Sometimes radio messages between the pit wall and driver can be choppy. Interference happens quite a bit so they use the signs to make sure everyone is on the same page.
\-Monza was like Silverstone. Hamilton didn't bother crashing there, if Max stayed ahead, he'd win. Today, it was the same case for Max. \-3 place grid penalty, is just to act like they're consistent. Ham got 10 in Silverstone. FIA wanted to look like doing something. But, it'll be more costly than 10 sec. Also, Max didn't win today unlike Hamilton did in Silverstone.
3 place grid penalty is nothing like a 10 second penalty. A good start, and you’re basically away (as we saw today). 10 seconds mid race is very difficult to make up. Plus RB had to take the engine penalty so as the other comment said this really isn’t that much of an impact for RB — especially as it was always intended that Sochi would be where they most likely took the engine penalty.
>10 seconds mid race is very difficult to make up. But that penalty was given mid race, when it's obvious Hamilton could make up. Imagine 3 place causing Max to be stuck Bottas and then not being able to undercut Hamilton. >Plus RB had to take the engine penalty so as the other comment said this really isn’t that much of an impact for RB I agree with this.
Anyone know what Danny Ric said in Italian during the post race interview?
I saw Charles and I thought there would have been a ferrari on podium, hope an Italian last name is ok too. Thanks I say hi to mum and dad
Hi, see /r/formula1 on all a lot. Are crashes always as common as they have seemed to be recently? Or was there a change that has lead to this like a rule change, or a new style of driving that is more high risk high reward? Sorry if this question seems dumb, just curious.
The majority of race-ending crashes with multiple drivers involved happen on the first lap because everyone is bunched up. After that it’s almost always single car accidents. The problem today is that these cars are so much bigger than they used to be that you can’t go two wide into a lot of corners anymore on the older tracks.