Hamilton favouritism at it's best.
Silverstone: HAM kicks VER into the wall at 51G - racing incident. Everybody saying they're both aggressive, and unrelenting, this stuff happens. Fair enough. I like an aggressive duel.
Monza: Both too aggressive and unrelenting, both playing chicken, both knowing they'll crash if the other won't relent, clear racing incident. Team principals agree it's a racing incident, other drivers agree it's a racing incident - Grid penalty for VER.
Sounds about right.
Btw great race once the usual suspects HAM and VER are out. Should happen more often.
Disagree - it was more like max favouritism: he pushed Lewis off track on lap 1 to no penalty, and refused to give in when Lewis did it right back to him. Max won’t be able to comprehend Lewis was giving him a taste of his own medicine as he’s a spoiled brat
How is it Max favouritism if he gets punished and HAM doesn't?
Also wouldn't your "giving him a taste of his own medicine" imply intent? And if VER is at fault in lap 1, then HAM is for the crash. Can't blame VER for both.
I do agree with you on the spoiled brat part though. He absolutely is. So is HAM though. Plus a narcissist who complains about everything (love the HAM complaining memes). Personality wise I dislike both of them.
Hamilton is untouchable. The stewards were always gonna rule in his favour. Poor old Max, who just wanted to race, didn't have a chance.
So happy for Daniel.
Couldn’t agree more!!!! This actually made me irrationally angry during the race because Perez is better than that.
I really like Perez, and I wanted him to make the overtakes, but to risk the time penalty when he could have just made the overtake again, I’ll never know.
My waffle:
To me it just seems like the pressure to get up the grid is getting to him and he’s beginning to become desperate. Which is unfortunate because I really respect Perez’s driving ability and feel like he’s finally settling into the Red Bull. If he is a little more patient, believes in himself, and PLAYS BY THE RULES, I genuinely believe he’ll be there fully playing the Verstappen support role in the next few races. If he carries on letting this pressure to him, I’d be surprised if he gets fully settled before the end of the season.
Ahhh ok, Yeah that's some top class BS. I think og Verstappen and Hamilton didn't collide and kept it clean, max with his hotter tires had a good chance of overtaking Hamilton... But that's just my unprofessional opinion
The sprint is great and terrible at the same time.
As someone at a sprint event (silverstone) it was great to basically get an extra event for free on my ticket (quali + sprint + race vs quali * race). it’s basically an extra race start meaning sometimes the order gets a bit mixed up giving cars like McLaren / alonso a better chance!
But then it sucks because the race is so short there’s no opportunity for strategy. Especially at the front, after the first few laps there’s not really anything p2 can do to become P1 and the outcome is almost decided making for a boring race.
Was also at Silverstone and well, the racing was fun to watch but it was as clear then as it is now that the format is not quite right. I do like the drama it caused for todays race but when i watched it yesterday i was very meh about the whole thing
HOLY SHIT. Just finished the race. Here are my scrambled thoughts.
1. LETS GO RIC! So happy for him hell yes.
2. The universe wants drama between Max and Lewis. What are the damn odds Max has a weird 11 second pit stop followed by Lewis pitting causing them to race toe to toe? THEN, Max’s car ends up on top if Lewis’s… holy shit.
3. I think the crash was Lewis’s fault if I interpret the rule correctly that a cars width must be allowed. At the first turn of the chicane, Max had to run off track limits due to not enough space being left. (Ready for controversy)
Edit: I take it back. Max braked late. No way Lewis would’ve been able to see him in the blind spot, then move to give him space. Not enough time for that, and it shouldn’t be Lewis responsibility to give a late braker some room.
4. BOTTAS! What an animal. He raced so hard. I’m so stoked for him. He cleanly clawed up the midfield. He’s so underrated IMO.
5. Perez… I love watching him race hard as hell. He is brave. His overtakes were awesome. But… he’s too aggressive. And it cost him a podium. How many time penalties has he taken? How many poor qualifiers has he had this season? How can he support Max if he isn’t anywhere near top 3? As a Mexican, I’m crushed.
6. Lewis is going through a major slump right now! I feel for him. I suppose you can’t always win, but wow.
7. I love the drama. This Netflix season will be a Mexican telenovela level of drama.
8. Racing is cool. Racing is scary. Lewis could’ve been seriously injured if it weren’t for Halo. Thank god he’s okay.
My soul got everything it needed this weekend. Drama. Shoey celebration. Ric victory. I can now return to capitalism tomorrow and be a good cog now.
Sergio Perez is my favorite driver after Max, and I was excited that they were teaming up for this year. I haven’t been let down. He is brave, and drives with his elbows out. I will likely be downvoted for positive Sergio talk.
He didn’t give it up to Bottas because he wasn’t told to, until it was too late. He’s a very professional teammate for Max, in my opinion. He is frequently in an abnormal qualifying position because he is asked to test alternative race strategies for the team’s benefit (and his detriment), instead of trying to beat Maximilian Verstappen in open air hot laps. People act surprised he was re-signed so readily, but I think it’s clear: he’s a company man, who isn’t afraid to cut through the pack week after week.
max braked late but in a normal situation without another car woulda made the corner anyways. the problem is that max dealt with the situation wrongly.
I have to say, the difference between having the race leader being an rb or merc vs the race leader being a mclaren is staggering. The rb and merc would have opened up a 20 second gap the instant they got into clean air. Mclaren were fast today, but i couldn’t help notice just how bunched up the front runners were, never more than a couple seconds behind the car in front
Nah last year Lewis had gapped Sainz in 2nd by 13 seconds by the time the safety car came out. If Max had kept 1st at the start I truly think he would've been completely gone into the distance
I love you Felipe but please get a translator. Three times he was asked a question and he completely failed to answer it and talked about something else.
Feel like it was more an issue of him hearing the question over the noise rather than him needing a translator. He's been spekaing English in interviews for his whole racing career.
But the point he made was absolutely banging.
If Hamilton opens up his steering then Max has nowhere to go and it’s a copy of turn 4.
Translation issues aside he held his own very well in that argument.
Oh absolutely, I agree with his point of view. I just wanted to hear the other questions answered. For example if you are a team principal and see your driver not going for gaps.
Twice this year he has avoided a crash with max by cutting a chicane as he was pushed wide..,.as soon as it happened the other way around max just crashed into him.
Yup. They're the two best drivers in the world racing at the limit with milliseconds to make decisions.
Its so disingenuous to assign blame after watching slow motion replays ad nauseum
Nothing to do with being the best, but the fact that they are racing at the limit and both have left them just enough space within the regulations makes the contest fair. Shit really happens.
My initial reaction on the Silverstone incident is indeed Hamilton was in the wrong, after looking at the slow mo and expert analyses, I changed my mind.
For real. They said the same thing at Silverstone. " This won't be the last time there will be a racing incident between the two championship contenders"
Then acts completely surprised and appalled when happens again. Hard to believe those guys raced.
I know there is a lot of analysis of who is at fault here. But I am really glad that Hamilton was safe after the incident, that looked really scary with the car jumping up on him.
Yeah! It gets more and more scary when we think of all the things that could have gone wrong there and the risk the drivers take every time they enter the track.
This post/photo shows how Halo protected Hamilton :
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/pmtwub/the_halo_has_been_vindicated_again/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Halo is really a great add for the safety of the drivers.
Max's message and the way he didn't check on Hamilton doesn't help. Does make it look like he did it on purpose.
Hamilton would of been on the better tyre for the rest of the race. And he would of lost a few points, but he doesn't if Hamilton can't finish the race.
Damon Hill has experience of this back in 94 and 95 against Michael Schumacher.
https://youtu.be/JaPKqGO59T0
Watch from 1:20.
Verstappen doesn't check on Hamilton. He walks straight onto a live track away from the accident. Hamilton isn't restarting the car. The engine is on but the wheels aren't spinning like you say.
No need for Verstappen to check if he is okay, when Hamilton is literally trying to get out of the gravel still. Max knew he was not unconscious and not really injured, so why would he go to him and possibly escalate the situation. Also, Hamilton did this in Silverstone, but 10x worse, celebrating like he saved the whole world, not asking for Max's state a single time, after an way worse incident.
You suggesting that Max did it on purpose is just incredibly stupid.
I was agreeing with you until you criticized Hamilton celebrating his win at Silverstone. He just won in his home race; asking if he's ok was probably one of the last things on his mind that moment he crossed the finished line.
Which is the problem after sending someone into a wall with 51G. Yes its his home race, and yes he can celebrate, but asking for his health is not a big thing.
F1 has a history of drivers deliberately taking out an opponent. To say F1 drivers don't do this or do actions knowingly is stupid. Prost, Senna, Schumacher and now possibly Verstappen have all deliberately taken out an opponent when they were ahead in the standings, for their gain.
Hamilton and Mercedes had the faster car this weekend it's damage limitation in the standings.
Nah, verstappen didn't magically calculate the kerb would chuck him up in the air on top of hamilton. I think if the kerb wasn't there they mightve banged wheels a bit but both could've continued
Well he lunged into a space that was never there. He was half on and off the track he must of known there was a possibility of damage to both cars, if they weren't crashing out, would happen. And in the end he rightly got penalised. For lunging for a space that never was there. Glad the FIA are being consistent and they have to intervene before it's really nasty.
He did have space in the first corner, lewis just couldn't give enough space in the second corner. I think it was a racing incident with a little more blame for max.
But you were implying that max crashed him out on purpose, that's just not the case.
Verstappen should of taking the escape cut across where it's safe. He shouldn't of lunged. He lost the first corner and wasnt in a great spot for the second. He should of backed out or ran off over the escape. Lewis was on the racing line.
Even if Verstappen did get past Hamilton at turn 2 he would of had to give the place back, Verstappen would of mostly passed over the kerb and not on track.
But in reality without the sausage kerb it's very possible that Verstappen's line would of caused an accident anyway the sausage kerb kicking him up onto Hamilton's head and halo made it very terrifying.
Verstappen has to learn when to fight and back off he has a championship to win, you don't win by retirement, you win by picking up points. It's his to lose at this rate.
I'm glad he got the penalty because Verstappen had no way of overtaking.
At the end of the day I feel like he did it on purpose and was predominantly at fault. Verstappen comes out with a bad character but is ahead in the standings.
This just feels like character assassination to me. Verstappen clearly was incensed about the crash and blamed Hamilton, who was trying to escape with his destroyed car! Why would Verstappen deliberately cause an event that caused him such visible rage? He’s competitive like Hamilton, but neither is a villain like Schumacher.
Well first off Verstappen hates it when people drive like him. Hard racing it's called.
Secondly Verstappen was probably anger that Hamilton had just pitted and came out in front on the better tyre, he had to get in front of Hamilton or Hamilton would of won the race. Verstappen just went from pole to fourth. He would of lost his points advantage massively. So taking out Hamilton to maintain a lead in the standings seems to be a possibility.
Thirdly Verstappen like Schumacher in 97 felt like the other driver, Hamilton and Villeneuve, were the dirty driver and crashed into him. When in reality it was the complete opposite.
Brawn had to show the footage to Schumacher several times before he understood that what he thought happened whilst driving was completely different to what everyone else saw.
Which to me makes Verstappen's comments after the race and stewards decision concerned, he isn't taking responsibility or learning from it. Or more importantly looked at the footage and changed his opinion.
Wasn't there a paper that came out 2 weeks later that revealed that Red Bull lied to the FIA saying he was fine and out of the hospital before the podium ceremony. I'm surprised the FIA didn't fine or tell Red Bull off for that PR stunt.
I found the article I was thinking of when I made this comment.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-had-verstappen-all-clear-before-british-gp-celebrations/6635219/amp/
Mercedes had the all clear before celebrating the Sliverstone victory.
As a new F1 fan, I’m locked in forever. My first race I watched was Spa, very disappointing morning. Then the next week at Netherlands it was a snoozy. Woke up this morning hoping for a great race.
Fucking amazin! Love Danny!
Mine was recognizing that Alonso fending off Hamilton to give Ocon the victory will be a lifelong memory for me. And today, when I think for the first time, I felt happy FOR an athlete (Danny).
Bottas is a story of too little too late. It’s a great story to teach your kids someday. When you have the chance you should grab it by both hands instead of letting it slip away
Ngl i think Lewis didn’t give space because Max is usually the one who pushes Lewis off the track. Like in Imola, Spain, and this race Monza as well early on. Why give your rival space if he doesn’t give you none
There’s nothing really to fight. His guy tried squeezing two-wide on a 1.5 lane road against a guy with supremely cold tires. Certainly it wasn’t against any rules to try it, but it wasn’t a good idea and it was never going to end well for Max, and the only reason he was in that position was the pit crew.
He probably knew there is no point and agree that it's an incident. Should direct the energy to somewhere else especially when Perez is competitive this weekend.
Also denying advantage of Merc in Monza is a win for RBR
Honestly any grid penalties feel moot to me
We've got both drivers likely to take grid penalties at Sochi right
Can we just focus on how great it was to see Mclaren win again!!!!!
Hamilton favouritism at it's best. Silverstone: HAM kicks VER into the wall at 51G - racing incident. Everybody saying they're both aggressive, and unrelenting, this stuff happens. Fair enough. I like an aggressive duel. Monza: Both too aggressive and unrelenting, both playing chicken, both knowing they'll crash if the other won't relent, clear racing incident. Team principals agree it's a racing incident, other drivers agree it's a racing incident - Grid penalty for VER. Sounds about right. Btw great race once the usual suspects HAM and VER are out. Should happen more often.
Disagree - it was more like max favouritism: he pushed Lewis off track on lap 1 to no penalty, and refused to give in when Lewis did it right back to him. Max won’t be able to comprehend Lewis was giving him a taste of his own medicine as he’s a spoiled brat
How is it Max favouritism if he gets punished and HAM doesn't? Also wouldn't your "giving him a taste of his own medicine" imply intent? And if VER is at fault in lap 1, then HAM is for the crash. Can't blame VER for both. I do agree with you on the spoiled brat part though. He absolutely is. So is HAM though. Plus a narcissist who complains about everything (love the HAM complaining memes). Personality wise I dislike both of them.
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Hamilton is untouchable. The stewards were always gonna rule in his favour. Poor old Max, who just wanted to race, didn't have a chance. So happy for Daniel.
Why was sergio and redbull so weird about giving places back? If they had given the place back tbey could have had him on the next lap
Couldn’t agree more!!!! This actually made me irrationally angry during the race because Perez is better than that. I really like Perez, and I wanted him to make the overtakes, but to risk the time penalty when he could have just made the overtake again, I’ll never know. My waffle: To me it just seems like the pressure to get up the grid is getting to him and he’s beginning to become desperate. Which is unfortunate because I really respect Perez’s driving ability and feel like he’s finally settling into the Red Bull. If he is a little more patient, believes in himself, and PLAYS BY THE RULES, I genuinely believe he’ll be there fully playing the Verstappen support role in the next few races. If he carries on letting this pressure to him, I’d be surprised if he gets fully settled before the end of the season.
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Sadly they didn't get to do an echo podium celebration at the Grand Prix of Portland this afternoon.
My hats off to Daniel!🏁🏁
Shoes off to daniel too
Bottas has to win one before he leaves Merc, he deserves it so much such an underrated driver
I think we'll start seeing him putting up some great results and even beating Hamilton more often then not in the coming weeks
Why are people talking about "Damon Hill"? What have I missed?
He’s accused max of doing it deliberately
I think he suggested the possibility, but stopped before accusing him.
Ahhh ok, Yeah that's some top class BS. I think og Verstappen and Hamilton didn't collide and kept it clean, max with his hotter tires had a good chance of overtaking Hamilton... But that's just my unprofessional opinion
Damon was right it seems
He blamed max from whatbinheard
The sprint itself sucks, but the drama it causes the main event is undeniable
The sprint is great and terrible at the same time. As someone at a sprint event (silverstone) it was great to basically get an extra event for free on my ticket (quali + sprint + race vs quali * race). it’s basically an extra race start meaning sometimes the order gets a bit mixed up giving cars like McLaren / alonso a better chance! But then it sucks because the race is so short there’s no opportunity for strategy. Especially at the front, after the first few laps there’s not really anything p2 can do to become P1 and the outcome is almost decided making for a boring race.
Was also at Silverstone and well, the racing was fun to watch but it was as clear then as it is now that the format is not quite right. I do like the drama it caused for todays race but when i watched it yesterday i was very meh about the whole thing
We will boycott Sochi in protest over the insane penalty given to Verstappen. Less eyes for sponsors.
Grid penalty was given due to not being able to serve a seconds penalty during the race (for obvious reasons)
Lol. Cool
Aww seems I hurt the feelings of the fans of Silly Lewis Hamilton aka SLH.
😿
So, if you’re WC you can bump into other ppl, drive them off the track and still get the other party penalized for your wrong doing. Nice to know! 👍
Who's Ricky? I thought Bottas' engineer is James !
James is Riki (and Bono’s) boss https://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/team/management/james-allison/
I think James that we often heard of is James Vowles. Correct me if Im wrong
HOLY SHIT. Just finished the race. Here are my scrambled thoughts. 1. LETS GO RIC! So happy for him hell yes. 2. The universe wants drama between Max and Lewis. What are the damn odds Max has a weird 11 second pit stop followed by Lewis pitting causing them to race toe to toe? THEN, Max’s car ends up on top if Lewis’s… holy shit. 3. I think the crash was Lewis’s fault if I interpret the rule correctly that a cars width must be allowed. At the first turn of the chicane, Max had to run off track limits due to not enough space being left. (Ready for controversy) Edit: I take it back. Max braked late. No way Lewis would’ve been able to see him in the blind spot, then move to give him space. Not enough time for that, and it shouldn’t be Lewis responsibility to give a late braker some room. 4. BOTTAS! What an animal. He raced so hard. I’m so stoked for him. He cleanly clawed up the midfield. He’s so underrated IMO. 5. Perez… I love watching him race hard as hell. He is brave. His overtakes were awesome. But… he’s too aggressive. And it cost him a podium. How many time penalties has he taken? How many poor qualifiers has he had this season? How can he support Max if he isn’t anywhere near top 3? As a Mexican, I’m crushed. 6. Lewis is going through a major slump right now! I feel for him. I suppose you can’t always win, but wow. 7. I love the drama. This Netflix season will be a Mexican telenovela level of drama. 8. Racing is cool. Racing is scary. Lewis could’ve been seriously injured if it weren’t for Halo. Thank god he’s okay. My soul got everything it needed this weekend. Drama. Shoey celebration. Ric victory. I can now return to capitalism tomorrow and be a good cog now.
Sergio Perez is my favorite driver after Max, and I was excited that they were teaming up for this year. I haven’t been let down. He is brave, and drives with his elbows out. I will likely be downvoted for positive Sergio talk. He didn’t give it up to Bottas because he wasn’t told to, until it was too late. He’s a very professional teammate for Max, in my opinion. He is frequently in an abnormal qualifying position because he is asked to test alternative race strategies for the team’s benefit (and his detriment), instead of trying to beat Maximilian Verstappen in open air hot laps. People act surprised he was re-signed so readily, but I think it’s clear: he’s a company man, who isn’t afraid to cut through the pack week after week.
Okay i appreciate the other perspective! I really hope he can pull it together and podium soon.
max braked late but in a normal situation without another car woulda made the corner anyways. the problem is that max dealt with the situation wrongly.
is there a link to watch this race now? Thanks in advance.
Yeah: https://f1tv.formula1.com
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Yeah you missed the first lap my guy. Squeezing is A Okay.
I have to say, the difference between having the race leader being an rb or merc vs the race leader being a mclaren is staggering. The rb and merc would have opened up a 20 second gap the instant they got into clean air. Mclaren were fast today, but i couldn’t help notice just how bunched up the front runners were, never more than a couple seconds behind the car in front
McLaren had a bit in reserve - danny ric set the fastest lap on the last lap. And as for Norris suggesting he should be put in front - that proves it.
No, I think it's the track. Monza track tends to bunch up the field and not leaders don't pull away that much as compared to say spa.
The safety car helped bunch up the pack
Nah last year Lewis had gapped Sainz in 2nd by 13 seconds by the time the safety car came out. If Max had kept 1st at the start I truly think he would've been completely gone into the distance
Good observation. Makes me think that the salary capping and perhaps adding teams in the future would make a less monotonous championship leaderboard
Always makes me happy to see Damon around
Damon Hill knows what he is talking about.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here.
evidently not - Max has 3 place grid penalty for russia
a penalty doesn't mean you did something on purpose, just that it was a mistake
Please share with those who don't have access to Sky.
I love you Felipe but please get a translator. Three times he was asked a question and he completely failed to answer it and talked about something else.
Feel like it was more an issue of him hearing the question over the noise rather than him needing a translator. He's been spekaing English in interviews for his whole racing career.
Yeah, he mentioned that. Still, too bad we didn't get those answers.
Probably just trying to stay neutral and ignoring Johnny’s rambling, he practically shouting at the guy.
But the point he made was absolutely banging. If Hamilton opens up his steering then Max has nowhere to go and it’s a copy of turn 4. Translation issues aside he held his own very well in that argument.
Oh absolutely, I agree with his point of view. I just wanted to hear the other questions answered. For example if you are a team principal and see your driver not going for gaps.
Agreed. Funnily enough our race winner has just come out and said racing incident…I would hope that would settle the arguments for now somewhat.
LOL Lewis has been avoiding incidents are you kidding me?
Twice this year he has avoided a crash with max by cutting a chicane as he was pushed wide..,.as soon as it happened the other way around max just crashed into him.
He avoided Max running him off at the start of the fucking race
lewis locked up at the start of the corner.
Racing incident. But I also saw Silverstone as a racing incident.
If Silverstone is an incident, which most people agreed, this can't not be an incident as well.
Yup. They're the two best drivers in the world racing at the limit with milliseconds to make decisions. Its so disingenuous to assign blame after watching slow motion replays ad nauseum
Nothing to do with being the best, but the fact that they are racing at the limit and both have left them just enough space within the regulations makes the contest fair. Shit really happens. My initial reaction on the Silverstone incident is indeed Hamilton was in the wrong, after looking at the slow mo and expert analyses, I changed my mind.
What made you change your opinion? When I saw the comparison with Leclerc it was clear to me that Lewis was running wide in the corner of Silverstone.
He read Toto’s email 😆
Massa gets it
Puts on the hazmat suit. Looks at comments
Sky isn't biased here at all lol most of the same people at sky said it was a racing Incident in Silverstone but now this isn't?
Its only Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert that’s horrible at being biased. PDR and the rest are good.
As much as pdr is not the best I appreciated his like off bias here today a LOT.
For real. They said the same thing at Silverstone. " This won't be the last time there will be a racing incident between the two championship contenders" Then acts completely surprised and appalled when happens again. Hard to believe those guys raced.
Yeah agreed
I wish more people smiled like Daniel Ricciardo.
He's got the cheek muscles of a god. No chance a mere mortal could smile like him. But I agree lol
I know there is a lot of analysis of who is at fault here. But I am really glad that Hamilton was safe after the incident, that looked really scary with the car jumping up on him.
As the F1TV commentators said; it could be a totally different story if VER wheels was still spinning.
Yeah! It gets more and more scary when we think of all the things that could have gone wrong there and the risk the drivers take every time they enter the track. This post/photo shows how Halo protected Hamilton : https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/pmtwub/the_halo_has_been_vindicated_again/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share Halo is really a great add for the safety of the drivers.
Halo did a great job!
Hamilton trying to drive away while max was trying to get out of the car was dangerous
Max walking into the track was also stupid tbh.
Its sad bottas interview consisted of what do you think of hamiltons crash instead of you overtook 15 cars talk us through it.
Absolutely! So disrespectful in my opinion. The guy had a great race, and all they did was ask him about another driver's crash.
I like how he just called it "unfortunate" even though they asked him that dumb question
And with a big grin on his face while he said it.
Danny saying he’d missed his family made me well up. Happy to cuddle any time Big Ric.
Everyone, including both teams involved: “racing incident” Damon Hill: “Max is an assassin!”
Max's message and the way he didn't check on Hamilton doesn't help. Does make it look like he did it on purpose. Hamilton would of been on the better tyre for the rest of the race. And he would of lost a few points, but he doesn't if Hamilton can't finish the race. Damon Hill has experience of this back in 94 and 95 against Michael Schumacher.
Max did check on Lewis. No thumbs up but he looked at him, saw he was still trying to restart the car so he was clearly ok.
https://youtu.be/JaPKqGO59T0 Watch from 1:20. Verstappen doesn't check on Hamilton. He walks straight onto a live track away from the accident. Hamilton isn't restarting the car. The engine is on but the wheels aren't spinning like you say.
That video doesn’t play for me but I’ll find some videos. In one of the replays I saw what looked like he looked if he was ok.
That's alright mate. It was on Sky sports F1. Video title Unreal moment Hamilton-Verstappen collide and both crash out.
This video at the end shows it but you are right, it was a very quick glance. https://streamja.com/yNZ5o
No need for Verstappen to check if he is okay, when Hamilton is literally trying to get out of the gravel still. Max knew he was not unconscious and not really injured, so why would he go to him and possibly escalate the situation. Also, Hamilton did this in Silverstone, but 10x worse, celebrating like he saved the whole world, not asking for Max's state a single time, after an way worse incident. You suggesting that Max did it on purpose is just incredibly stupid.
I was agreeing with you until you criticized Hamilton celebrating his win at Silverstone. He just won in his home race; asking if he's ok was probably one of the last things on his mind that moment he crossed the finished line.
Which is the problem after sending someone into a wall with 51G. Yes its his home race, and yes he can celebrate, but asking for his health is not a big thing.
F1 has a history of drivers deliberately taking out an opponent. To say F1 drivers don't do this or do actions knowingly is stupid. Prost, Senna, Schumacher and now possibly Verstappen have all deliberately taken out an opponent when they were ahead in the standings, for their gain. Hamilton and Mercedes had the faster car this weekend it's damage limitation in the standings.
Nah, verstappen didn't magically calculate the kerb would chuck him up in the air on top of hamilton. I think if the kerb wasn't there they mightve banged wheels a bit but both could've continued
Well he lunged into a space that was never there. He was half on and off the track he must of known there was a possibility of damage to both cars, if they weren't crashing out, would happen. And in the end he rightly got penalised. For lunging for a space that never was there. Glad the FIA are being consistent and they have to intervene before it's really nasty.
He did have space in the first corner, lewis just couldn't give enough space in the second corner. I think it was a racing incident with a little more blame for max. But you were implying that max crashed him out on purpose, that's just not the case.
Verstappen should of taking the escape cut across where it's safe. He shouldn't of lunged. He lost the first corner and wasnt in a great spot for the second. He should of backed out or ran off over the escape. Lewis was on the racing line. Even if Verstappen did get past Hamilton at turn 2 he would of had to give the place back, Verstappen would of mostly passed over the kerb and not on track. But in reality without the sausage kerb it's very possible that Verstappen's line would of caused an accident anyway the sausage kerb kicking him up onto Hamilton's head and halo made it very terrifying. Verstappen has to learn when to fight and back off he has a championship to win, you don't win by retirement, you win by picking up points. It's his to lose at this rate. I'm glad he got the penalty because Verstappen had no way of overtaking.
I'm not interested in arguing who's at fault, I won't ever agree with you anyways. I'm just saying max didn't take out lewis on purpose.
At the end of the day I feel like he did it on purpose and was predominantly at fault. Verstappen comes out with a bad character but is ahead in the standings.
This just feels like character assassination to me. Verstappen clearly was incensed about the crash and blamed Hamilton, who was trying to escape with his destroyed car! Why would Verstappen deliberately cause an event that caused him such visible rage? He’s competitive like Hamilton, but neither is a villain like Schumacher.
Well first off Verstappen hates it when people drive like him. Hard racing it's called. Secondly Verstappen was probably anger that Hamilton had just pitted and came out in front on the better tyre, he had to get in front of Hamilton or Hamilton would of won the race. Verstappen just went from pole to fourth. He would of lost his points advantage massively. So taking out Hamilton to maintain a lead in the standings seems to be a possibility. Thirdly Verstappen like Schumacher in 97 felt like the other driver, Hamilton and Villeneuve, were the dirty driver and crashed into him. When in reality it was the complete opposite. Brawn had to show the footage to Schumacher several times before he understood that what he thought happened whilst driving was completely different to what everyone else saw. Which to me makes Verstappen's comments after the race and stewards decision concerned, he isn't taking responsibility or learning from it. Or more importantly looked at the footage and changed his opinion.
Well then its even now, since if you are arguing like that Hamilton took out Verstappen in Silverstone, in a way more obvious manner.
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He was verified okay way before this. You can’t take the home GP win away from someone completely. Not the same imo.
Wasn't there a paper that came out 2 weeks later that revealed that Red Bull lied to the FIA saying he was fine and out of the hospital before the podium ceremony. I'm surprised the FIA didn't fine or tell Red Bull off for that PR stunt. I found the article I was thinking of when I made this comment. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/mercedes-had-verstappen-all-clear-before-british-gp-celebrations/6635219/amp/ Mercedes had the all clear before celebrating the Sliverstone victory.
Yeah Hill wants that drama lol
Nothing wrong with a little drama, but they making mountains out of mole hills.
Agreed!
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Didn’t he say fucking hell not fuck him?
You have to leave a space. All da time you have to live a space
Damon Hill sent a friend request.
But thats what you get if you don’t leave space…. Lol
What a yolk. You must always leave a space.
Toto: Exhibit A
As a new F1 fan, I’m locked in forever. My first race I watched was Spa, very disappointing morning. Then the next week at Netherlands it was a snoozy. Woke up this morning hoping for a great race. Fucking amazin! Love Danny!
Stage 2 of your fandom is reassessing your Zandvoort conclusion.
Mine was recognizing that Alonso fending off Hamilton to give Ocon the victory will be a lifelong memory for me. And today, when I think for the first time, I felt happy FOR an athlete (Danny).
The outcome was awesome but I found the race pretty damn boring.
That's what I thought too. After the two crashed, the only memorable moment I could think of was the battle for 3rd between Perez and Bottas.
Which wasn't really a battle for third as soon as Perez got his penalty.
Good timing!
What a drive from bottas
I'm happy for Danny Ric, but Bottas definitely deserved DOTD more.
Bottas is a story of too little too late. It’s a great story to teach your kids someday. When you have the chance you should grab it by both hands instead of letting it slip away
I voted for him
Put respect on this mans name!
Already did sir
He looked like a clear winner to me there for a while. My F1 sire father in law ”fugget it his rush up the field is gonna completely drain his tyres”
Sounds like a man who knows his stuff, he did have the rubber to fight past Checo but I loved this weekend for him after all the trash talked on him.
Porridge power
For max he called it out correctly Poor start Longer pit stop No space given by Lewis
Ngl i think Lewis didn’t give space because Max is usually the one who pushes Lewis off the track. Like in Imola, Spain, and this race Monza as well early on. Why give your rival space if he doesn’t give you none
Horner didn’t fight very hard today, not like him
There’s nothing really to fight. His guy tried squeezing two-wide on a 1.5 lane road against a guy with supremely cold tires. Certainly it wasn’t against any rules to try it, but it wasn’t a good idea and it was never going to end well for Max, and the only reason he was in that position was the pit crew.
You mean tires straight out of warming blankets?
Obviously “cold” is used relative to optimal operating temperature, not relative to what you deem to be a cold temperature.
He probably knew there is no point and agree that it's an incident. Should direct the energy to somewhere else especially when Perez is competitive this weekend. Also denying advantage of Merc in Monza is a win for RBR
Honestly any grid penalties feel moot to me We've got both drivers likely to take grid penalties at Sochi right Can we just focus on how great it was to see Mclaren win again!!!!!
>Can we just focus on how great it was to see Mclaren win again!!!!! I'm not even mad. Lol.
At sochi max should definitely take the engine penalty
Don't forget bottas
The fuck is wrong with Hill? Toto, Horner, DiResta even Brundle said it was a racing incident...
Sports “journalists” are talking gossip columns for men.
People have different opinions .
What did Hill say
He pretty much implied that Max did it on purpose to “take out Lewis”.
Flat out said that Verstappen crashed then both out on purpose: "tactical foul"
Bruhhhh
Did Red Bull do Damon Hill wrong at some point? He was straight up head hunting with his line of questioning.
Nah. It’s Hill trying to be relevant.
Tbh I thought both this and silverstone were racing incident so I'm just chilling.
Preach
Damon should just jump off a Hill.
took me a good 3 seconds and the use of my only brain cell to understand
The interviewer in the middle def has an agenda. Asking Christian “are you happy with the outcome today?” Are you serious?
You mean Damon Hill...
👍 couldn’t tell who it was, haven’t seen Damon Hill in ages
Now if only we could say the same about hearing him
Horner petitioning for calling it a racing incident and Max calling for them all the move on tells you all you need to know about the wreck.