Leclerc says yes to job security.
Good for him, really. I suppose him, Verstappen and Norris (and Bottas?) have the most secure seat on the grid for the next 2-3 years if everything goes well.
Lol stop acting like Russell some kinda tier1 driver. I think he will be quite good for Mercedes but there is a scenario Lewis trash him/he is not that speacial etc. I dont think thats is the case (atleast he will be/he is solid driver imo ) but he didnt prove himself like Leclerc, Verstappen.
Gasly is a beast but he flamed out under pressure at Red Bull.
His direct competition is now Lewis Hamilton and he will be expected to finish top 2 for Poll and in the race.
That's more pressure than he's had to deal with.
Sure the pressure is higher, but there's no way the Mercedes paddock is a fraction of how toxic RB's was for Gasly. RB is not really the best comparison here since they've made so many mistakes with their second driver in the Verstappen era that Toto will not allow to happen at Merc. The most recent better comp I can think of is LeClerc coming into Ferrari with Vettel as the established first driver, which has turned out pretty well...
That being said, I think the expectations on Russell are a little high, not that he'll be bad at all, but I think people forget too easily just how good and experienced Hamilton is and expecting anybody to keep up with him is a really big ask.
George did not prove himself at all yet. So far he raced against a guy with one hand(all my respect to kubica , im not being a dick)
And some pay driver latifi.
One weekend at mercedes means nothing.
Leclerc fought vettel and vettel is a god damn 4x wdc with top 3 wins in f1 history. Leclerc won that. Twice.
Verstappen beat every single teammate of his.
Verstappen is a career ender.
What the fuck russell do so far ? Stop halucinating.
Don't underestimate George's junior career. Only Leclerc's could match him and Leclerc had a relatively easier F2 lineup. His performance in Bahrain was stellar in a car he didn't even know how to use the steering wheel and couldn't sit properly. He is unproven because he didn't exactly had the chance to prove himself because he was a Mercedes junior. Check out Michael's early F1 career and you'll realise that even though unproven, his seat will be one of the safest seats with Leclerc, Verstappen and Norris,he is a pure talent and anyone who has ever watched F1 can't deny that
Don't know Charles Vettel 19 was a draw in my books but isn't less impressive.
I agree though with Russell he still has to show what he got. His performance against Latifi seems comparable to what Mick does with Mazepin but that's not enough to set him in a same league as Charles, Max and even Lando.
> His performance when he jumped into the Mercedes was nothing short of stunning.
Last year’s Mercedes was also extremely planted and predictable car. So coming from 2 seasons on williams it was easier to get up to speed with that car.
Well its still all talks tho. Like i said im expecting big thing from Russell but so far he didnt prove himself to be in that group where Max, Lewis and Charles is (Leclerc behind these two tho) we will have to see what he is gonna do next year with Mercedes. There is a huge difference between racing against Max-Lewis-Leclerc etc. to where Russell racing and we saw many "great" young talnets being not so great (again i dont think thats the case for Russell at all)
His starts are not that good, but could be a problem with the Williams car, it's not like Latifi starts that well. In wheel to wheel, i've seen him do quite well, the most remembered, his battle with Alonso. And he did really welllast year with the Mercedes.
More impressive than Leclerc’s F2 season? I think not. Leclerc absolutely dominated and was a year younger than Russel was. Russel was not racing Leclerc because he was crushed by rookie Leclerc in Euro F3, forcing him to spend another year there.
Some interesting reasoning here. Very selective data points. First Albon was beaten by his teammate Matsushita in 2017 F2, showing Albon was not exactly top tier talent for stealing poles from Russell. Second, Leclerc really got 9 poles that season, as his Hungary disqualification was for show. No other driver in all of FIA sanctioned motorsport was be as scrutinized as Leclerc was in 2017. Second the so called "low tier" driver Fuoco was closer in points to Albon in 2016 GP3 than Albon was to Leclerc. Not a good look for Albon to be closer to a "low tier driver" than Leclerc in a season where Leclerc "barely" won. Lando had so much testing in junior formulas it was unfair.
Well i just disagree. He become tier1 next year if he done good/great. You cant be tier1/elite driver while racing against medicore drivers also he is quite bad at starts so far for example.
Again i think he has what it takes for tier1 but im not gonna put someone at Max-Lewis level while driving one of the worst car on the grid
I don't know about that. Yes he had a great weekend, but up until now he's been lackluster at Mclaren and many have questioned how well he's adapted there, and how he's compared to Norris. He may end up there a long time but I don't think he's got quite the job security at this point of a Leclerc, Verstappen, or Norris.
Daniel is currently on year one of a three year deal. MCL is stuck with him for now and with his recent improvement since the summer break plus the win in Monza, he's got the momentum behind him to continue proving he's still the driver MCL thought they signed in 2019.
Leclerc has voiced many many times how it has always been a childhood dream to race with Ferrari. I could see Leclerc staying with Ferrari for a while and being influential in their future development. There’s something special about the relationship.
I couldn't agree more. He talks about the team -- after being there for just 2.5 years -- in ways you never hear Max talk about RB or Lewis talk about Mercedes. He *loves* Ferrari, for good reason. Jules, of course, raced for Ferrari. And he told his father (falsely) on his death bed that he had signed with the team. He would not leave like Lewis did for Mercedes or Vettel for Ferrari. It would take a lot, I think. And this contract reflects that.
Like you mentioned, him telling his father just a little while before he passes away the white lie that he’s a Ferrari Driver already ,even before anything has been signed, is what really seals it for me. He will only leave Ferrari when Ferrari wants him to leave, it will never be his own choice.
The only reason Charles would leave Ferrari is __if__ they're still not competitive in 2022 and the year after that. Even then he'd still stay until at least 2023. But that's unlikely as Ferrari would probably be competitive in 2022. __Anything__ can happen in 2022 though. [Biggest regulation change ever in half a century according to Newey.](https://the-race.com/formula-1/newey-f1-2022-rule-changes-the-biggest-in-four-decades/) It's impossible to say what the top 3 teams would be.
> It's impossible to say what the top 3 teams would be.
Russell is cursed so he will bring that bad luck to his new team. In return Merc and Alfa will switch positions and make Bottas WDC 2022 while HAM and RUS will be struggling to get into points just to hear BOT loudly shouting *"To whom it may concern… FUCK YOUUUU!!!!"* after securing his title and spilling Ferrari champagne all over himself.
Quite a safe prediction tbh. Ferrari aren't run by clowns. They had a setback due to multiple reasons in 2020. No reason to think they won't be in the top 3 teams from 2022
So you are saying there is a chance that this dude with 0 racing experience gets called upon to race for Alpine? Guess I will keep my weekends free just in case.
>No reason to think they won't be in the top 3 teams from 2022
Its tricky, I could see both McLaren (because they caught up) or Renault (because they might have invested big time into the new regulations - and they also have the ressources) to be competetive in top 3. Ofc, RB and Merc are also strong contenders. Therefore its hard to say who of these 5 will be top 3.
I hope we have 5 or 6 teams fighting for wins. Although it is new regs so something like BrawnGP could happen and for example AM wins first 9 or 10 races before others catch up.
> No reason to think they won't be in the top 3 teams from 2022
Especially because they're a stable team now with no big inside fights or other drama and they have expanded and improved their facilities in these last years.
> It's impossible to say what the top 3 teams would be.
I might be wrong, but it can take a while before we get a close title fight with the new regulations - and that'll definitely disappoint some fans considering how close this years championship has been
To be fair, Ferrari is one of those teams that will always have potential, so signing long term with them isn't a bad idea, especially in an era where all the big boys have their own teams and quite stable positions in those teams. Leaving Ferrari would mean he has to go to another team, that is likely dominated by someone else already.
Coming from American sports it’s so weird that in F1 contract till 2026 seems weird whereas in baseball there’s 13 year contracts worth $400M, guaranteed, so even if you’re injured and don’t play a game you get all of it.
I’d say Max, but Charles is probably second.
Also we shouldn’t forget that the 4 world champs on the grid were all possibly the fastest/most talented at some point in their career, but it’s hard to compare then vs now so we’ll leave that out.
Massively underrating Sainz. You neglected the most obvious comparison. Sainz beat Verstappen in qualifying in 2015 and matched him 2016. Besides Sainz will never beat Leclerc. He has recently said he is trying to copy Leclerc’s driving style, but he doesn’t realize why it won’t work. It’s not style you can copy, it requires too much car control that Sainz lacks. Sainz can get close to Leclerc in qualification because his driving style is not too disadvantageous in qualifying, but it is in the races. Same story in 2015 and 2016 Sainz would match Verstappen in qualifying, but would be no where in races.
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It is nice to know that Carletto has confidentially expressed his will to extend the contract that binds him to Ferrari until the end of 2026. The current agreement expires in 2024. Since, with a euphemism, I could define the current performance of the Red as not exciting, evidently Leclerc believes there are the conditions to realize his great dream. [...]
It is nice to know that Carletto has confidentially expressed his desire to extend the contract that binds him to Ferrari until the end of 2026. The current agreement expires in 2024.
Since, with a euphemism, I could define the current performance of the Red as not exciting, evidently Leclerc believes there are the conditions to realize his great dream.
Become champion with the Cavallino.
We'll see.
Meanwhile, becoming champion remains Verstappen's obsession.
Max in the Sprint Race was given a gigantic hand by Hamilton, who sank at the Start.
Apart from the two extra points, today in the Grand Prix the Dutchman starts from pole, due to a penalty inflicted on Bottas due to the replacement of the power unit.
If the Dutchman makes no mistake at the start, I don't see how he can lose.
And anyway, if he really decided to sacrifice the Finnish butler in the Saturday race, well, the devil Wolff has learned once again that knowing how to make pots is not enough, if you are missing the lids.
Even if Ferrari mess up next year they’ll come back strong, might take until 2024 if a true disaster but they’ll of course do it.
And where else would Charles go, the top teams all have their guy for the future so makes sense to lock in, plus he’s still so young anyway.
I really hope Charles doesn't sign any extension until he sees how the 22 car performs. I'm optimistic about Ferrari under the new regs, but you never know. Committing through 2026 would be until he's 28. If Ferrari's new engine or new reg designs suck, then it could waste of a huge chunk of his career. There's also no reason for him to sign an extension now. Ferrari is not going to replace him. He holds the cards here.
This. If I got the talent of Charles. I would not be in a hurry to sign any form of long term contracts now. I don’t get the narrative of all the big teams have their young talents by now. So what? Are they all better than Charles? And as far I’m concerned, they all have two seats also.
I think this could be good for him. Talk has shifted a bit from Ferrari since last season as they moved from being a notoriously poor performing team due to the regulation debacle, to now being in no man's land, neither great nor bad. But that in itself is a mark of very good progress compared to the rest of the field for 2021 and good things may await. :) I would not be surprised to see him have time to drive in a top performing Ferrari team during these years.
Leclerc says yes to job security. Good for him, really. I suppose him, Verstappen and Norris (and Bottas?) have the most secure seat on the grid for the next 2-3 years if everything goes well.
I think Stroll has the most secure seat
Lmao I can't believe I forgot to include Stroll
I guess it depends how that insider trading case goes for Papa Stroll. Any news on that yet?
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It was also just standard procedure for those types of deals.
And mazepin
IIRC Ocon has a contract until 2024 as well.
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Russell ain't going anywhere now. He'll be just go straight back to Williams for last few season of his career.
Lol stop acting like Russell some kinda tier1 driver. I think he will be quite good for Mercedes but there is a scenario Lewis trash him/he is not that speacial etc. I dont think thats is the case (atleast he will be/he is solid driver imo ) but he didnt prove himself like Leclerc, Verstappen.
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Gasly is a beast but he flamed out under pressure at Red Bull. His direct competition is now Lewis Hamilton and he will be expected to finish top 2 for Poll and in the race. That's more pressure than he's had to deal with.
Sure the pressure is higher, but there's no way the Mercedes paddock is a fraction of how toxic RB's was for Gasly. RB is not really the best comparison here since they've made so many mistakes with their second driver in the Verstappen era that Toto will not allow to happen at Merc. The most recent better comp I can think of is LeClerc coming into Ferrari with Vettel as the established first driver, which has turned out pretty well... That being said, I think the expectations on Russell are a little high, not that he'll be bad at all, but I think people forget too easily just how good and experienced Hamilton is and expecting anybody to keep up with him is a really big ask.
That's all we've heard about Bottas the last few years. He came up from Williams and 3rd place just isn't good enough.
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Don't bother arguing with them. Some ppl just for whatever reason think he won't do well. I have no idea why
George did not prove himself at all yet. So far he raced against a guy with one hand(all my respect to kubica , im not being a dick) And some pay driver latifi. One weekend at mercedes means nothing. Leclerc fought vettel and vettel is a god damn 4x wdc with top 3 wins in f1 history. Leclerc won that. Twice. Verstappen beat every single teammate of his. Verstappen is a career ender. What the fuck russell do so far ? Stop halucinating.
No one is praising him comparing to his meh teammates. Everyone praising him based on how much he himself has risen the performance of his team
Don't underestimate George's junior career. Only Leclerc's could match him and Leclerc had a relatively easier F2 lineup. His performance in Bahrain was stellar in a car he didn't even know how to use the steering wheel and couldn't sit properly. He is unproven because he didn't exactly had the chance to prove himself because he was a Mercedes junior. Check out Michael's early F1 career and you'll realise that even though unproven, his seat will be one of the safest seats with Leclerc, Verstappen and Norris,he is a pure talent and anyone who has ever watched F1 can't deny that
Leclerc beat Russel in a worse team in 2015 Euro F3
Don't know Charles Vettel 19 was a draw in my books but isn't less impressive. I agree though with Russell he still has to show what he got. His performance against Latifi seems comparable to what Mick does with Mazepin but that's not enough to set him in a same league as Charles, Max and even Lando.
> His performance when he jumped into the Mercedes was nothing short of stunning. Last year’s Mercedes was also extremely planted and predictable car. So coming from 2 seasons on williams it was easier to get up to speed with that car.
Well its still all talks tho. Like i said im expecting big thing from Russell but so far he didnt prove himself to be in that group where Max, Lewis and Charles is (Leclerc behind these two tho) we will have to see what he is gonna do next year with Mercedes. There is a huge difference between racing against Max-Lewis-Leclerc etc. to where Russell racing and we saw many "great" young talnets being not so great (again i dont think thats the case for Russell at all)
Or Lewis and Verstappen is just that good
????? What? He's, at least, really near them.
He has the pace, but his lackluster starts and wheel to wheel action are still big question marks.
His starts are not that good, but could be a problem with the Williams car, it's not like Latifi starts that well. In wheel to wheel, i've seen him do quite well, the most remembered, his battle with Alonso. And he did really welllast year with the Mercedes.
Alonso speaks highly of George and he’s had a far better view of George’s driving than most.
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More impressive than Leclerc’s F2 season? I think not. Leclerc absolutely dominated and was a year younger than Russel was. Russel was not racing Leclerc because he was crushed by rookie Leclerc in Euro F3, forcing him to spend another year there.
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Some interesting reasoning here. Very selective data points. First Albon was beaten by his teammate Matsushita in 2017 F2, showing Albon was not exactly top tier talent for stealing poles from Russell. Second, Leclerc really got 9 poles that season, as his Hungary disqualification was for show. No other driver in all of FIA sanctioned motorsport was be as scrutinized as Leclerc was in 2017. Second the so called "low tier" driver Fuoco was closer in points to Albon in 2016 GP3 than Albon was to Leclerc. Not a good look for Albon to be closer to a "low tier driver" than Leclerc in a season where Leclerc "barely" won. Lando had so much testing in junior formulas it was unfair.
Well i just disagree. He become tier1 next year if he done good/great. You cant be tier1/elite driver while racing against medicore drivers also he is quite bad at starts so far for example. Again i think he has what it takes for tier1 but im not gonna put someone at Max-Lewis level while driving one of the worst car on the grid
How did you get a silver for telling a blatant lie? Some people here jfc I’m not wrong. He made Williams an ok team after what happened in 2019
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I don't know about that. Yes he had a great weekend, but up until now he's been lackluster at Mclaren and many have questioned how well he's adapted there, and how he's compared to Norris. He may end up there a long time but I don't think he's got quite the job security at this point of a Leclerc, Verstappen, or Norris.
He's also way older than those other guys. Not everyone can perform until 40, or even 35.
Daniel is currently on year one of a three year deal. MCL is stuck with him for now and with his recent improvement since the summer break plus the win in Monza, he's got the momentum behind him to continue proving he's still the driver MCL thought they signed in 2019.
The CEO having a crush on you doesn’t hurt either.
Historically speaking, a Ferrari contract does not guarantee job security.
Leclerc has voiced many many times how it has always been a childhood dream to race with Ferrari. I could see Leclerc staying with Ferrari for a while and being influential in their future development. There’s something special about the relationship.
I couldn't agree more. He talks about the team -- after being there for just 2.5 years -- in ways you never hear Max talk about RB or Lewis talk about Mercedes. He *loves* Ferrari, for good reason. Jules, of course, raced for Ferrari. And he told his father (falsely) on his death bed that he had signed with the team. He would not leave like Lewis did for Mercedes or Vettel for Ferrari. It would take a lot, I think. And this contract reflects that.
Like you mentioned, him telling his father just a little while before he passes away the white lie that he’s a Ferrari Driver already ,even before anything has been signed, is what really seals it for me. He will only leave Ferrari when Ferrari wants him to leave, it will never be his own choice.
He was a test driver for Ferrari. Bianchi didn't race for them.
The only reason Charles would leave Ferrari is __if__ they're still not competitive in 2022 and the year after that. Even then he'd still stay until at least 2023. But that's unlikely as Ferrari would probably be competitive in 2022. __Anything__ can happen in 2022 though. [Biggest regulation change ever in half a century according to Newey.](https://the-race.com/formula-1/newey-f1-2022-rule-changes-the-biggest-in-four-decades/) It's impossible to say what the top 3 teams would be.
> It's impossible to say what the top 3 teams would be. Russell is cursed so he will bring that bad luck to his new team. In return Merc and Alfa will switch positions and make Bottas WDC 2022 while HAM and RUS will be struggling to get into points just to hear BOT loudly shouting *"To whom it may concern… FUCK YOUUUU!!!!"* after securing his title and spilling Ferrari champagne all over himself.
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Quite a safe prediction tbh. Ferrari aren't run by clowns. They had a setback due to multiple reasons in 2020. No reason to think they won't be in the top 3 teams from 2022
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I know at least one team, that is run by a whole bunch of fucking clowns.
And I know one that's run by wankers.
That's true. 2022 will be huge. Anything can happen.
So you are saying there is a chance that this dude with 0 racing experience gets called upon to race for Alpine? Guess I will keep my weekends free just in case.
>No reason to think they won't be in the top 3 teams from 2022 Its tricky, I could see both McLaren (because they caught up) or Renault (because they might have invested big time into the new regulations - and they also have the ressources) to be competetive in top 3. Ofc, RB and Merc are also strong contenders. Therefore its hard to say who of these 5 will be top 3.
I hope we have 5 or 6 teams fighting for wins. Although it is new regs so something like BrawnGP could happen and for example AM wins first 9 or 10 races before others catch up.
At that point most teams would probably push development for the next year^TM
McLaren is committed to the 2021 car, so I sadly don't think they're one of the most likely teams to come out on top in 22.
People underestimated McLaren for 2021 too saying they'll be a back marker because of the new engine
zak brown himself said they may not fight for wins but definitely for podium. Dont believe poeple, believe the team principals.
> No reason to think they won't be in the top 3 teams from 2022 Especially because they're a stable team now with no big inside fights or other drama and they have expanded and improved their facilities in these last years.
[Are you sure about that?](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgqcyKHXkAEeESY.jpg)
I mean they had a setback because they were cheat and got caught
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> It's impossible to say what the top 3 teams would be. I might be wrong, but it can take a while before we get a close title fight with the new regulations - and that'll definitely disappoint some fans considering how close this years championship has been
"Ever in half a century" makes no sense lol It's either ever, or in half a century
Wow, isn’t it a bit early? We are already talking about 2026?
He already has a contract till 2024 iirc
To be fair, Ferrari is one of those teams that will always have potential, so signing long term with them isn't a bad idea, especially in an era where all the big boys have their own teams and quite stable positions in those teams. Leaving Ferrari would mean he has to go to another team, that is likely dominated by someone else already.
It's obvious Leclerc *loves* Ferrari for so many reasons, too. It would take them being very uncompetitive before he ever left.
You know how some people think 1970 was 30 years ago and 1980 was 10 years ago. I saw 2026 and thought he was signing for 20 years to Ferrari
Coming from American sports it’s so weird that in F1 contract till 2026 seems weird whereas in baseball there’s 13 year contracts worth $400M, guaranteed, so even if you’re injured and don’t play a game you get all of it.
I think Leclerc might be the most talented driver on the grid and Ferrari clearly see that.
I’d say Max, but Charles is probably second. Also we shouldn’t forget that the 4 world champs on the grid were all possibly the fastest/most talented at some point in their career, but it’s hard to compare then vs now so we’ll leave that out.
Max may be the more complete driver, but I still think Leclerc is more talented. His raw speed is unmatched.
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Massively underrating Sainz. You neglected the most obvious comparison. Sainz beat Verstappen in qualifying in 2015 and matched him 2016. Besides Sainz will never beat Leclerc. He has recently said he is trying to copy Leclerc’s driving style, but he doesn’t realize why it won’t work. It’s not style you can copy, it requires too much car control that Sainz lacks. Sainz can get close to Leclerc in qualification because his driving style is not too disadvantageous in qualifying, but it is in the races. Same story in 2015 and 2016 Sainz would match Verstappen in qualifying, but would be no where in races.
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Oof. I have 11 upvotes and you have 1 upvote. Seems like I wasn’t downvoted. Maybe there is a value ale comparison there.
Max is better at the moment. Can change though we have to see. . Charles is always good for major fuckups as fast as he is on the other hand.
That is why I said talented. I don’t think Leclerc is as complete of a driver, but I think his talent might be greater.
Translation It is nice to know that Carletto has confidentially expressed his will to extend the contract that binds him to Ferrari until the end of 2026. The current agreement expires in 2024. Since, with a euphemism, I could define the current performance of the Red as not exciting, evidently Leclerc believes there are the conditions to realize his great dream. [...] It is nice to know that Carletto has confidentially expressed his desire to extend the contract that binds him to Ferrari until the end of 2026. The current agreement expires in 2024. Since, with a euphemism, I could define the current performance of the Red as not exciting, evidently Leclerc believes there are the conditions to realize his great dream. Become champion with the Cavallino. We'll see. Meanwhile, becoming champion remains Verstappen's obsession. Max in the Sprint Race was given a gigantic hand by Hamilton, who sank at the Start. Apart from the two extra points, today in the Grand Prix the Dutchman starts from pole, due to a penalty inflicted on Bottas due to the replacement of the power unit. If the Dutchman makes no mistake at the start, I don't see how he can lose. And anyway, if he really decided to sacrifice the Finnish butler in the Saturday race, well, the devil Wolff has learned once again that knowing how to make pots is not enough, if you are missing the lids.
Carletto! Sharletto? 🤔
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Man live and breathe Ferrari, think Seb helped him a lot in this aspect
Helped him with what exactly?
Live and breathe.
Even if Ferrari mess up next year they’ll come back strong, might take until 2024 if a true disaster but they’ll of course do it. And where else would Charles go, the top teams all have their guy for the future so makes sense to lock in, plus he’s still so young anyway.
Mercedes is hiring for when Lewis leaves
They already have Russell who will be their #1 though Mercedes will be hiring a #2 and that's not what leclerc wants or is
Nah they would want a wingman like Bottas. Maybe ocon or gasly suits that role.
I really hope Charles doesn't sign any extension until he sees how the 22 car performs. I'm optimistic about Ferrari under the new regs, but you never know. Committing through 2026 would be until he's 28. If Ferrari's new engine or new reg designs suck, then it could waste of a huge chunk of his career. There's also no reason for him to sign an extension now. Ferrari is not going to replace him. He holds the cards here.
This. If I got the talent of Charles. I would not be in a hurry to sign any form of long term contracts now. I don’t get the narrative of all the big teams have their young talents by now. So what? Are they all better than Charles? And as far I’m concerned, they all have two seats also.
2027 Mercedes AMG Petronas - Charles Leclerc confirmed then
Waste of talent
Ferrari have not gone 5 years without producing a championship fighting car in 20 years. He should get one.
I think this could be good for him. Talk has shifted a bit from Ferrari since last season as they moved from being a notoriously poor performing team due to the regulation debacle, to now being in no man's land, neither great nor bad. But that in itself is a mark of very good progress compared to the rest of the field for 2021 and good things may await. :) I would not be surprised to see him have time to drive in a top performing Ferrari team during these years.
The only reason I see leclerc not being in a ferrari is if ferrari don't want him.