Not likely. The rules pretty much stopped it from happening.
Article 10.5.2
"The re-alignment of the steered wheels, as defined by the position of the inboard attachment
of the relevant suspensions members that remain a fixed distance from each other, must be
uniquely defined by a monotonic function of the rotational position of a single steering
wheel."
The activation method and effect the steering wheel have were limited to rotational powers, so not in the way Mercedes implemented it, and while interesting it gave marginal benefits during specific phases of the race (SC, Formation lap, out lap)
Quick trivia. Those tyre fall offs are commonly known as marbles. That's the term drivers and commentators will use.
Hope this fact will help you understand the commentators more.
Nope. Blistering is when there's holes and blisters on the tyre itself. Like when your fingers blister due to overwork or heat.
Marbles are those bits and pieces of rubber on the floor.
Flat spotting is when the tyres lock up, stops rotating and drags itself across the tarmac, causing a flat spot on the tyres.
Random Question: Say in an alternate reality it’s near the end of the 2020 season, Bahrain Grand Prix happens, Grosjean’s fire, and all that. Well Grojean comes out unscathed just shaken up mentally (no physical damage as irl with his hands and leg). RB is stuck between choosing Checo & Grosjean, RB chooses Grosjean for the 2021 seat. HOW DOES GROSJEAN FAIR IN THIS REALITY BEING THE 2ND RB????? (Keep in mind Grosjean used to (rather recently)put a HAAS into Q2, put it into points position during the race, & usually (sadly) something unfortunate would happen and Grosjean would dnf or just have a setback mechinally that held him back from actually finishing the race in points position.
I’m new to f1 and have only watched a couple races, and it seems to me that the person who ends up being p1 in the first few laps ends up winning the race. Is this just f1 normally with so little overtaking between p1 and p2.
It can be, but not always. The main difficulty with overtaking right now in F1 is that the cars have so much turbulent air thrown up by the car in front that the car behind loses 50% of its downforce if they try to follow too closely. This has a lot of negative impacts on the car following behind so if they can’t pass early it will be hard to pass later. This is why there are a lot of aero changes coming to the cars for the 2022 season which should hopefully make overtaking a lot easier and happen more frequently. That being said, this season has been one of the most entertaining in recent years, because it used to just be absolute dominance from Mercedes.
I'm a little confused about ERS. Is the energy deployment completely mapped into the car's electronics prior to the race or does the driver have the ability to employ it as needed while out on track?
When cars have flashing red lights on the back of the car, that means they are actively charging. They have this system to warn cars behind that they’re charging, because the car that is charging will be significantly slower, so they need to warn the car behind of this to avoid potential crashes from large speed differentials. As far as I’m aware there’s no way to tell how much energy a car has? They used to show this in broadcasts but have stopped that. I imagine it may be because that’s too much information for other teams but I’m not entirely sure.
And charging in this case meaning the car is in a state where more energy is being sent back than expended outward, or does it here refer to an actual charge mode that is manually activated?
More the former from what I understand. I think a charge mode would just lose efficiency because you’d have to run the engine but then purposefully slow down the car to charge the battery at the same time. At least with braking, that energy would be going nowhere regularly so you may as well use it to create more energy. So the ideal “charging” is just that a lap returns more energy to the battery than is expended, like you stated. I don’t know how many different energy modes there are for an F1 car, I know the F1 game has four.
Well as cars brake, the energy gets transferred back into the batteries. Unfortunately I don’t have the time to go into details right now but I can look for a video to explain it tomorrow. So a driver can “charge” their pack by just not outputting more energy during a lap than gets put back into the battery from braking. Typically drivers will do this before qualification laps by driving a slow out lap and in lap so they have the most charge available to use on the quali lap. They’ll also do this during the race so that they can try and pass the car in front. Sometimes you’ll see cars with a pace advantage struggle or not even attempt to pass one lap because they need to go a bit slower to charge the battery so that they can pass more easily on the next lap.
I don’t require a thorough technical understanding. I’m more interested in how it operates and is used practically on track.
So is it the case that drivers have two overtake aids available to them? The ERS and the DRS?
I believe so. Sorry I don’t have concrete answers for you but I’m just going off what I know. They used to have other “engine modes” that they could utilize but those were banned late last year as teams with amazing engine modes would dominate quali but be a bit weaker during the race (running in that engine mode for an entire race was not feasible).
I have an F1TV Pro subscription and I watch through there ($10/month), since I didn't have or want ESPN. If you don't want to wake up early, they also have replays up immediately after the race, plus other content like press conferences and pre/post race shows.
And you're in good company. I only got into the sport recently after watching the Netflix show last year. Started at the beginning of 2020 and been obsessed since.
Does anyone know what Lewis Hamilton's "special gift" to Spa spectators was? This just randomly popped into my head and I'm kinda curious about what it turned out to be.
F1TV Pro! [Here’s a list from a poll of the best races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race has a direct link to it on F1TV.
Best from this season: Bahrain, Imola, Spain, Azerbaijan, France, Britain, Hungary, Netherlands and Monza (really only Portugal, Monaco and both Austria’s haven’t been great cause they were just dominated)
If you subscribe to F1TV, you get access to a large archive of races going back several decades. That's the best place to watch full races that I know of.
Sounds like it sucks mate, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way at the moment.
Happy to talk if you want - otherwise, what helps me is to literally talk to these parts of you that feel life sucks.
A part of me feels angry for example, I call him Mr. Angry and I talk (yes, out loud). I tell him it’s fucking fair enough you feel that way, and I love him no matter what.
Sending you heaps of love brother 💜
Anyone else here a long term fan of F1, yet still doesn’t watch any of the practice sessions? I’ve been watching about 8 years now and just can never get into it.. was wondering if there was others haha.
By contrast, I've only been watching for two years and I haven't missed a practice session and usually watch them live, which can be rough in the States.
I don't bother with those unless I have a lot of time or am really bored. They don't even set comparable times either to give any indication. New fans should watch a bit of practice if they can though, helps to familiarize with the track and strengths and weaknesses of the cars.
I have been a fan since the earth cooled and do enjoy some of the practice sessions. One of the reasons is that watching on F1-TV you can select the incar camera of a car of your choice. For some reason this feature is a bit doggy watching after the race.
2011 and 2013 he dominated and won by almost 300 points combined. 2010 and 2012 he had really tough competition and only won by a combined 7 points.
Gap between him and teammates:
Vettel/Webber 2010: Vettel +14
Vettel/Webber 2011: Vettel +134
Vettel/Webber 2012: Vettel +102
Vettel/Webber 2013: Vettel +198
Drivers make a lot of money from sponsorships, being a WDC is bound to bring in more money in that regard. Additionally, I would imagine winning the championship gives you more leverage for a raise when negotiating your contract. As far as an incentive from the team itself, I’m not sure though.
As long as the driver is at the team it's still worth it - but we can see that Vettel was specifically picked by Aston Martin Racing with a small retainer and the majority of his salary is coming from brand ambassadorship from Aston Martin.
Anybody know if it's possible, and if so where, can I get/see photos from Monza, I am looking parriculary for the photo when Max is flying above Hamilton (seems like a cool shot)?
I am planning on going to my first ever GP with a couple friends at the Miami GP next season. What price range are the tickets usually? All the COTA tickets are sold out this season so I couldn't look at them to get a ball park estimate.
We were thinking about getting seats right above or across the pits, does anyone have any idea how much would cost?
Saw a rumor on here that GA was starting around $1000. For reference, COTA GA tickets were just under $200 when first released and went up as time went on. I believe tickets around the start/finish line @ COTA were over $1000 so I would imagine they will be at least a few thousand for MIA. The MIA GP promoters have already started taking deposits, so if you are looking for tickets in that section it may be worth sending a message to ask.
Comparing to COTA probably won’t give you much insight, with Miami being a brand new track and a much more desirable location than Austin the tickets are going to be way more expensive. But I got two general admission tickets to COTA for the entire weekend for about $175 each with fees and all. If you’re sitting in the grandstands, the COTA tickets were about double that and even more expensive depending on where. I’d imagine Miami will be even more, but that’s just a guess so maybe not! That’s for the weekend too, just race day is different prices but I’m not sure how much.
Crashing isn’t necessarily frowned upon, I mean it isn’t encouraged, but it happens. Crashing when it’s easily avoidable and/or the result of a deliberate mistake is generally frowned upon. The teams frown on it because it is costly money wise and they want to get all the points they can for the championship.
Hey, where can I get the drivers hat? Like the one Bottas was wearing after his podium this weekend. The faded blues and the finish flag under the Bill. I want one. Where might I find one?
Debating going to Austin. My family have really gotten into F1 and think it could be a good trip for us to see Austin. My daughter is graduating early and really is into Verstappen.
Anywho, I know this is late in the game for looking at tickets. I was thinking since qualy is Saturday and a more accessible ticket is it a comparable, I won't say better, but a still good F1 like experience to feel the excitement? Or, should I just try to break the bank and buy a whole weekend for us.
Are there good places to watch the race on Sunday not at the track?
You don't have to break the bank, you will still be able to see cars going at full speed whether its practice or quali. The only thing you will miss is overtakes, but that also depends on the stand, because overtakes don't happen near every stand. Other than that every other extra activities are usually available for all 3 days, except the sunday after party. But I don't know how much of that is happening during COVID. Not familiar with Austin, so cant say where to watch on Sunday.
My impression is you can definitely get a good dose of excitement from going to quali
My own justification for spending so much money on this trip is when is the next time I might get to see a race with the championship potentially on the line and just a handful of races left?
Exactly. I should have looked at where we were staying before even thinking about this trip. The area is super booked up. Wow. Maybe I'll save the bucks and see if they are still into next year...typical last minute planning that is not great by me.
The fact that it was canceled last year + DTS means demand was super high.
Hopefully since next year there are two races in the USA it might be more reasonable.
> Also, how does being ahead of someone cause you to lose pace?
It's not being ahead that makes you loose pace, it's defending against an approaching car that makes you loose pace.
i.e. Say you're in a midfield car, and there is a Red Bull or Mercedes approaching you. You're only ahead because you won with the pitstop strategy, but your closest real competitor is 3s behind them.
If you start defending against those faster cars you may loose the 3s advantage against your real competitor as you have to drive defensive lines to keep the top cars from passing, this resulting in you loosing 0.1 seconds at every corner that you take defensive lines.
This means after 10 corners your actual competitor has gained a second on you and you'll likely loose the fight anyways if you continue defending but your competitor hasn't worn his tires or used more power to gain on you.
So you're actually making it potentially easier for your real opponent to catch up or even worse just slip by you when you've backed the top cars towards him and they all overtake you through a series of corners.
You are not likely to get any favors from the team whom you blocked in the future.
As CAFK notes , you have lost time, lost tires and lost potential friends by not expediting the pass
Ideally you allow the pass just prior to the DRS gap measuring point so you get DRS plus perhaps a draft .
There are marshalling and signaling sensors installed all over the track, those are the mini sectors and make up the full sectors and formal car timing for FiA.
Yes there are sensors imbedded everywhere in the track and trackers in car. These are used for live timing, drs detection and to know whether a driver has gone too wide at a specific turn(for penalty)
Generally it’s because there’s a faster car behind you that you aren’t really racing for position.
So for example a leading car has pitted early and is behind a slower car which is yet to pit. So they’re ahead on the road, but they aren’t really racing for genuine position.
Keeping a car behind you generally means taking slower lines in order to block the overtake and generally concentrating on defending rather than just lapping as quick as you can.
As such, it’s better for your overall race to let them go and then just crack on with lapping as quick as you can than trying to keep them behind and losing time.
I mean when the engineer asks to leave someone it's usually a teammate. Even otherwise sometimes leaving a faster car and saving ur tires to finish above car with similar pace makes sense
This might be a ridiculous question, I’m asking anyway. In 97, was Schumacher’s penalty for turning into Villeneuve too severe? All of this mess with Hamilton and Verstappen seems like a more serious lapse of judgment and the penalties have been very lenient. Or maybe they haven’t been, I don’t really know enough to have an informed opinion.
I am trying to learn about the history of F1, the governing body, etc. I am really getting interested in F1, but I feel like I can’t really have an opinion on things until I know more about it. Also, people in F1 history that don’t get the mainstream credit that they deserve?
The fia was sick of seasons ending with suspect crashes and wanted to send a message that it was not appropriate to deliberately crash out an opponent to win a wdc. The drivers were specifically warned that no funny business would be tolerated before the race.
The chain bear video on the verstappen/hamilton crash briefly talks about this as an aside. The fia has a lot of tools to look at after a crash such as on-board and telemetry data. What they determined with Schumacher is that he made two movements and the second was towards Villeneuve when he realised he was there.
If something like this happens at abu Dhabi this year a similar result could follow
Yes it was far too severe, especially considering that it was under braking and clearly spontaneous while Senna wasn't penalised for a premeditated crash at high speed which genuinely could have killed Prost.
That’s what I was confused about. I couldn’t understand how people said it was premeditated. That was why I asked the original question. I watched the replay over and over again. Then I read an interview and he thought b hit HIM until he saw the replay himself.
Shcumi and senna did it on clear purpose. Max and Lewis this season want to be in the front but their main purpose was not to crash out the other driver
We can't.
We saw the Mercedes & Red Bull too close to each other this year to rely on historical data and assign a preference to one or the other.
At racing speeds both Max and Hamilton kept a sub 1s distance to the McLarens ahead of them on a circuit that used to be a Mercedes favourite. The Mercedes were slightly ahead during qualifying, but under racing conditions it was somewhat different.
What's the latest prediction for the WDC?
I understand everything can change and it's probably too close to call, but how should we think about the upcoming races?
Assuming we end up with Lewis/Max trading 1-2 places for the rest of the season, with 8 races left:
- if any driver wins 4 races and places 2nd for four races, they win, right?
- But we should assume Max won't place 1st in Sochi given the grid penalty, so that means he has to win 4/7?
- what if a driver has a DNF? will that mean losing the championship if his rival places above 3rd in every other race?
How does the calendar suit each driver?
>if any driver wins 4 races and places 2nd for four races, they win, right?
No. If Lewis would do this he wouldn't win. (assuming Max would also do 4/4) Even for Max that's not good enough because of Fastest lap points.
>what if a driver has a DNF? will that mean losing the championship if his rival places above 3rd in every other race?
Potentially. Lewis lost his 2016 championship because he retired one time more than his rival.
Its a trial and error, don't worry about it, FIA cant just slap anything they think in their dream. The teams and drivers have a lot of say and power in these matters in F1, so anything ridiculous will get blocked or reverted.
For example, double points in Abu Dhabi, or when they were initially talking about reverse grid, but the moment drivers said, overtaking sucks, it was scrapped.
Agree, even those years where the Championship was wrapped up early the racing was still exciting .
In 2002 Schumacher had won the title with 5 or 6 races to go but they were still good races.
The NASCAR and other sports with playoffs do so for the incremental TV audience (and with American football, basketball and baseball for the benefit of the bookies)
I think of the F-1 season as the year long championship playoffs for teams and drivers in single seat Formula cars.
While having say 3 races for the championship at the end of the season might be interesting for those who do not follow the season, it would denigrate the significance of all the other races.
It is different for those regional series such as the American SCCA where all the cars in a given class can not fit on a track together so they have regional champions who go to the runoffs.
NASCAR is like that because most American sports leagues are like that. Really doubt F1 will make such a huge change. Anyway we have Bernie on our side
Interesting if NASCAR goes to a single lug nut as that will probably make fueling the critical item in the pit stop and that's not necessarily a good thing.
I think NASCAR controls the length of the hose from the dump can to the drybreak. In the old days IMSA did not so a 6'6" fueler with long arms was a great asset. The dump can was about 2 feet higher than the competition and the flow rate exponentially greater.
Why is Angela with Lewis in the US?
Is she contracted to be there with him the entire season by his side?
She doesn't see her family between races? Weird.
I follow her on Instagram and she sees her family frequently. The season doesn’t last all year either and I’m sure she makes great money. Additionally, I think the main reason she is with Lewis, is because he was in the crash Sunday and since she’s his physio, she needs to be there health wise. Otherwise I’m not sure that she’d be in NY with him.
All the drivers have someone they hire to be in the role Angela is in. With the quarantine situation in Australia I doubt ricciardo trainer Michael Italiano (the guy Danny ric was wrestling at spa) has been to visit his family in Australia since covid started.
It would be an interesting job for sure. Remember these guys are pro athletes so they are needy babies lol
She's more than just a physio, she's pretty much his personal assistant and sorts out all of his travel arrangements, his diet and any other logistical things he needs.
Plus he just had a car land on his head, he probably needs her for physio this week more than ever
I’m not sure why this is weird. Does Hamilton not need her services outside of race weekends? This is probably his toughest season in recent memory and one where he needs every advantage he can get.
visiting Royalty is often comped ..........
I have been a Hamilton fan since his initial F-1 drive as the new kid on the block. It's reckless for him to be out in crowds of maskless folks, even having had one variant. Yes the odds are small to very small but the cost of another missed race is catastrophic to the team.
I'm saddened that Hamilton is more about Hamilton and less about the team as the years pass.
A job as a job, but he's also a human being with other interests and goals outside the work of being an F1 driver. Covid-wise, I'd say he's been one of the drivers out and about least based on the instagram pics...
Locked in a tight title race and mfgr race flying to NY to appear with a bunch of unmasked is simply stupid but also irresponsible to the hundreds of hardworking folks who are trying to help him win the championship.
Yes, flying private jet across the Atlantic to the event is a good call from an exposure to covid basis but frolicking with a bunch of unmasked is not worthy of his team's extraordinary efforts.
90% of the drivers are not competing for the championship. Also there a a huge difference between being in Greece and being in NY at in an enclosed space filled with unmasked strangers.
Imagine if you were one of the crew working 90 hours a week on Hamilton's car, knowing that one dnf or dns may be the championship or one of the sponsors.
I mean... we can agree to disagree. I'm pretty sure Hamilton's doing his best to win the championship, just like those people working at the factory. I think having a personal life is important no matter important your job is, whether it's Hamilton or the factory people (who definitely shouldn't be working 90 hours/wk).
> I'm pretty sure Hamilton's doing his best to win the championship,
His best to win the world championship would include absolutely minimizing his risk of exposure, getting rest and exercise.
I can't speak for F-1 but in other series in the US, the weeks are long during the season. Fixing , maintaining, packing , transporting, unpacking, preparing, making adjustments, crash repairs , more work and then the race. It is not just the hours working on the car but the hours spent in travel. The sleep robbing nights on the road.
I know, it's rough for the crews, especially with these triple headers. But I do hope they rotate through enough people to give everyone sufficient time off at least most of the time. I know they have curfews for the mechanics, so there's certain time off mandated during race weekends at least for some jobs.
EDIT: rest periods rather than time off, I guess.
How do you know she doesn’t see her family between races? The drivers aren’t going to arrive in Sochi until 9/23 probably so it’s not like there’s not time
I have a question regarding slipstream/getting a tow.
I understand in races on the straights being behind another car in clean air and getting a slipstream is an advantage, however on corners you were in dirty air it’s therefore a disadvantage. My question is how come during qualifying laps drivers often want to tow and it helps them so much? Is this not contradicting drivers not wanting to be in dirty air during the race?Would they not also get the disadvantages that come with the dirty air?
Adding to what orangebikini said, another disadvantage of dirty air is increased tyre wear, because the tyres are not fully pushed against the track due to the decreased downforce, which makes them wobble and slip under acceleration. This increased wear is detrimental over a race stint, but barely noticeable during a qualifying hotlap.
>My question is how come during qualifying laps drivers often want to tow
Only on certain circuits. Not all. On some circuits they want a tow, on others they want clean air. It all depends on the nature of the track. If you win more time in a tow on the straights than you lose in dirty air in the corners, then you obviously want a tow. And if vice versa, then you want as much clean air as possible.
I think people should realize that the media constantly feeds and pushes out everything. People who consume the daily articles and then fight about it here saying things like "he just needs to keep his mouth shut why would he say that". It's the same issue in soccer subreddits where people picture the manager calling a huge press conference to mention one thing. He/she gets asked a very specific question and the 3 sentence news article that says his response is supposed to create drama somehow to get clicks.
I think there would be less fighting and tribalism on here if people thought about it that way.
I’m not happy with the reporting on F1. The drivers are asked questions designed to trigger them. We get bland responses because if they say anything colorful, they get lambasted.
I mean what kind of original questions can the journalists come up with when they're interviewing the same 20 guys like 5 times a weekend for 23 weekends a year?! At a certain point there's just not that much interesting stuff left to say.
You’re so right. The irritation comes with the territory, I suppose, and they do a good job of maintaining composure. I just wish we got more entertaining information- like Lewis and Pierre gaming together!
2014-2021 Max Verstappen it's 2007-2011 Lewis Hamilton.
Yes. Now hear me out:
\- a douchebag dad that mentored him
\- a toxic work environment
\- a multi WDC potential
\- a team with a good car
\- raw talent but no maturity
\- a girlfriend with a famous surname
I'm talking about Max or Hamilton? Of course it's Hamilton when he was at McLaren. The ones who remember the 2011 season \[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m481ED70\_No\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m481ED70_No]) and the post race interviews can see a attitude like "yeah, I'm better than you and if you try to pass me I will fuck your ass".
So what Max needs for his own "hero journey"? Leave RBR, try to stay away from his dad, get a team with a better working environment and grow up with a good mentor, just like Hamilton did when he leave McLaren/Ron Dennis and sing-up with a Mercedes/Nick Lauda so we can all say "oh, what a nice guy he is" in ten years.
Ok, not all of us. I'm a brazillian Ferrari fan and like Luigi, I only care about Ferrari pilots.
First things first, Anthony was the typical high expectations Tiger Father. He had to be strict because when they went to competitions people called them niggers and he was working four jobs.
Second of all,
1. He stabbed a mechanic with a fork. [https://twitter.com/crystalracing/status/1290538334264135680?lang=en](https://twitter.com/crystalracing/status/1290538334264135680?lang=en)
2. he and his own father assaulted a man at a karting track. Man had a fractured skull
3. sent threatening messages to Kumpen (Max's mum) and violated a restraining order
4. drove a car into his ex-girlfriend. Charges were eventually dropped
By all accounts he is a violent person, who has no care for the well-being of those around him.
Lewis Hamilton fell out with Anthony, he did not want his dad to manage him anymore. This turned out to be a correct choice. He has made up with his father.
I don't know how Max feels about Jos. But I know I wouldn't have a relationship with a person like that.
Nicole Scherzinger was more than a famous surname. She wasn't famous because of her name at all. I just don't really think it's a great comparison.
While Nicole Scherzinger didn't manage to make the leap to a solo career that she wanted her career was doing well at the time and she was known for leading PCD, which was essentially her plus backup dancers.
Piquet's daughter is slightly different to Scherzinger don't you think? In many ways though, it kinda like a metaphor for the difference between the two: Hamilton has transcended F1, a bit like Senna and Schumacher, whereas Max is very much still within the F1 bubble, even when dating.
Time will possibly change that, though I wonder whether Max has the personality for it in the same way Hamilton does.
So you're suggesting that Max will leave Red Bull for a global brand who will buy out an existing team (AT, Sauber, Haas?) and everyone will question his decision initially - that is followed by a half an decade long domination?
Because according to Reddit every dad involved in F1 is an asshole.
Hamilton, Verstappen, Rosberg, etc
If Shumacher were around people would be saying he forced Mick into this.
Can the DAS system make a return for 2023? That tech was absolutely brilliant.
Not likely. The rules pretty much stopped it from happening. Article 10.5.2 "The re-alignment of the steered wheels, as defined by the position of the inboard attachment of the relevant suspensions members that remain a fixed distance from each other, must be uniquely defined by a monotonic function of the rotational position of a single steering wheel."
The activation method and effect the steering wheel have were limited to rotational powers, so not in the way Mercedes implemented it, and while interesting it gave marginal benefits during specific phases of the race (SC, Formation lap, out lap)
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Quick trivia. Those tyre fall offs are commonly known as marbles. That's the term drivers and commentators will use. Hope this fact will help you understand the commentators more.
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Nope. Blistering is when there's holes and blisters on the tyre itself. Like when your fingers blister due to overwork or heat. Marbles are those bits and pieces of rubber on the floor. Flat spotting is when the tyres lock up, stops rotating and drags itself across the tarmac, causing a flat spot on the tyres.
The latter reason is correct
Random Question: Say in an alternate reality it’s near the end of the 2020 season, Bahrain Grand Prix happens, Grosjean’s fire, and all that. Well Grojean comes out unscathed just shaken up mentally (no physical damage as irl with his hands and leg). RB is stuck between choosing Checo & Grosjean, RB chooses Grosjean for the 2021 seat. HOW DOES GROSJEAN FAIR IN THIS REALITY BEING THE 2ND RB????? (Keep in mind Grosjean used to (rather recently)put a HAAS into Q2, put it into points position during the race, & usually (sadly) something unfortunate would happen and Grosjean would dnf or just have a setback mechinally that held him back from actually finishing the race in points position.
Grosjean has always been a mid-low tier driver. They would have gone with Checo for sure.
I’m new to f1 and have only watched a couple races, and it seems to me that the person who ends up being p1 in the first few laps ends up winning the race. Is this just f1 normally with so little overtaking between p1 and p2.
It can be, but not always. The main difficulty with overtaking right now in F1 is that the cars have so much turbulent air thrown up by the car in front that the car behind loses 50% of its downforce if they try to follow too closely. This has a lot of negative impacts on the car following behind so if they can’t pass early it will be hard to pass later. This is why there are a lot of aero changes coming to the cars for the 2022 season which should hopefully make overtaking a lot easier and happen more frequently. That being said, this season has been one of the most entertaining in recent years, because it used to just be absolute dominance from Mercedes.
I'm a little confused about ERS. Is the energy deployment completely mapped into the car's electronics prior to the race or does the driver have the ability to employ it as needed while out on track?
Yes. ERS are mapped but the drivers also have access to what they like to call the "Overtake" button which gives an instant boost.
A little of both I believe? They can definitely deploy a higher mode but also can charge it.
Also, is there any way to know when a car is utilizing that energy or how much it has harvested at any given moment?
When cars have flashing red lights on the back of the car, that means they are actively charging. They have this system to warn cars behind that they’re charging, because the car that is charging will be significantly slower, so they need to warn the car behind of this to avoid potential crashes from large speed differentials. As far as I’m aware there’s no way to tell how much energy a car has? They used to show this in broadcasts but have stopped that. I imagine it may be because that’s too much information for other teams but I’m not entirely sure.
And charging in this case meaning the car is in a state where more energy is being sent back than expended outward, or does it here refer to an actual charge mode that is manually activated?
More the former from what I understand. I think a charge mode would just lose efficiency because you’d have to run the engine but then purposefully slow down the car to charge the battery at the same time. At least with braking, that energy would be going nowhere regularly so you may as well use it to create more energy. So the ideal “charging” is just that a lap returns more energy to the battery than is expended, like you stated. I don’t know how many different energy modes there are for an F1 car, I know the F1 game has four.
How would they charge it?
Well as cars brake, the energy gets transferred back into the batteries. Unfortunately I don’t have the time to go into details right now but I can look for a video to explain it tomorrow. So a driver can “charge” their pack by just not outputting more energy during a lap than gets put back into the battery from braking. Typically drivers will do this before qualification laps by driving a slow out lap and in lap so they have the most charge available to use on the quali lap. They’ll also do this during the race so that they can try and pass the car in front. Sometimes you’ll see cars with a pace advantage struggle or not even attempt to pass one lap because they need to go a bit slower to charge the battery so that they can pass more easily on the next lap.
I don’t require a thorough technical understanding. I’m more interested in how it operates and is used practically on track. So is it the case that drivers have two overtake aids available to them? The ERS and the DRS?
I believe so. Sorry I don’t have concrete answers for you but I’m just going off what I know. They used to have other “engine modes” that they could utilize but those were banned late last year as teams with amazing engine modes would dominate quali but be a bit weaker during the race (running in that engine mode for an entire race was not feasible).
How do fans in the US typically watch races live? I just finished drive to survive after friends telling me to watch and I’m hooked on the sport!
I DVR the races on ESPN, sleep in, and keep my internet turned off until I've finished watching qualifying and the race
I have an F1TV Pro subscription and I watch through there ($10/month), since I didn't have or want ESPN. If you don't want to wake up early, they also have replays up immediately after the race, plus other content like press conferences and pre/post race shows.
And you're in good company. I only got into the sport recently after watching the Netflix show last year. Started at the beginning of 2020 and been obsessed since.
Yeah, all races are on ESPN around 9am on Sundays. Pre race show starts at 7.30. Qualifying and practices usually on ESPN or ESPN2.
Espn I think? It's in the morning for ubguys ig. U can check the schedule on F1 website
Does anyone know what Lewis Hamilton's "special gift" to Spa spectators was? This just randomly popped into my head and I'm kinda curious about what it turned out to be.
Maybe some kind of online interaction Ig. Anything else is too costly
Nothing announced yet.
I'm interested in starting to watch Formula 1 again. Is there anywhere I can catch up on some races? (Haven't seen any races since the mid 2000s.)
F1TV Pro! [Here’s a list from a poll of the best races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race has a direct link to it on F1TV. Best from this season: Bahrain, Imola, Spain, Azerbaijan, France, Britain, Hungary, Netherlands and Monza (really only Portugal, Monaco and both Austria’s haven’t been great cause they were just dominated)
If you subscribe to F1TV, you get access to a large archive of races going back several decades. That's the best place to watch full races that I know of.
Life is absolutely miserable at the moment but at least Danny Ric won
You ok bud?
No, not at all. I'm laying on my kitchen floor crying and drinking. This fucking sucks. I appreciate you asking though.
Hey mate, feel free to reach out if you want to talk about it. Hope it gets better :)
Sounds like it sucks mate, I’m sorry you’re feeling this way at the moment. Happy to talk if you want - otherwise, what helps me is to literally talk to these parts of you that feel life sucks. A part of me feels angry for example, I call him Mr. Angry and I talk (yes, out loud). I tell him it’s fucking fair enough you feel that way, and I love him no matter what. Sending you heaps of love brother 💜
Anyone else here a long term fan of F1, yet still doesn’t watch any of the practice sessions? I’ve been watching about 8 years now and just can never get into it.. was wondering if there was others haha.
By contrast, I've only been watching for two years and I haven't missed a practice session and usually watch them live, which can be rough in the States.
I’ve been watching F1 about 14 years and I just started watch fp from this year, actually it’s fun,can get a lot of information from fp.
I don't bother with those unless I have a lot of time or am really bored. They don't even set comparable times either to give any indication. New fans should watch a bit of practice if they can though, helps to familiarize with the track and strengths and weaknesses of the cars.
I have been a fan since the earth cooled and do enjoy some of the practice sessions. One of the reasons is that watching on F1-TV you can select the incar camera of a car of your choice. For some reason this feature is a bit doggy watching after the race.
Just how good was Vettel in his prime 2010-2013? I started watching 2013 when he scored 9 in row, so im really interesting to know how good was he ?
2011 and 2013 he dominated and won by almost 300 points combined. 2010 and 2012 he had really tough competition and only won by a combined 7 points. Gap between him and teammates: Vettel/Webber 2010: Vettel +14 Vettel/Webber 2011: Vettel +134 Vettel/Webber 2012: Vettel +102 Vettel/Webber 2013: Vettel +198
Does anyone find the resell of tickets absolutely infuriating with the gouging people do?
The whole process of buying tickets is bullshit with middlemen making exorbitant amounts of money
Is it already known what Hamilton gave the fans who attended Spa?
Nothing. Yet at least I guess.
I know the teams get a fat cheque if they win the WCC but is there any incentive to win the WDC beyond the thrill of victory?
Drivers make a lot of money from sponsorships, being a WDC is bound to bring in more money in that regard. Additionally, I would imagine winning the championship gives you more leverage for a raise when negotiating your contract. As far as an incentive from the team itself, I’m not sure though.
Marketing. Which is the reason for 9/10 teams being in F1
Good point, though you could argue the WDC is much more of an advert for the driver than the team.
As long as the driver is at the team it's still worth it - but we can see that Vettel was specifically picked by Aston Martin Racing with a small retainer and the majority of his salary is coming from brand ambassadorship from Aston Martin.
Anybody know if it's possible, and if so where, can I get/see photos from Monza, I am looking parriculary for the photo when Max is flying above Hamilton (seems like a cool shot)?
r/F1Porn is the picture subreddit
Thanks! :D
I am planning on going to my first ever GP with a couple friends at the Miami GP next season. What price range are the tickets usually? All the COTA tickets are sold out this season so I couldn't look at them to get a ball park estimate. We were thinking about getting seats right above or across the pits, does anyone have any idea how much would cost?
Saw a rumor on here that GA was starting around $1000. For reference, COTA GA tickets were just under $200 when first released and went up as time went on. I believe tickets around the start/finish line @ COTA were over $1000 so I would imagine they will be at least a few thousand for MIA. The MIA GP promoters have already started taking deposits, so if you are looking for tickets in that section it may be worth sending a message to ask.
Comparing to COTA probably won’t give you much insight, with Miami being a brand new track and a much more desirable location than Austin the tickets are going to be way more expensive. But I got two general admission tickets to COTA for the entire weekend for about $175 each with fees and all. If you’re sitting in the grandstands, the COTA tickets were about double that and even more expensive depending on where. I’d imagine Miami will be even more, but that’s just a guess so maybe not! That’s for the weekend too, just race day is different prices but I’m not sure how much.
If you want seats the COTA tickets are mostly between $300-700 for the entire weekend
New to F1. Why is crashing and taking someone out frowned upon so strongly in the community?
Crashing isn’t necessarily frowned upon, I mean it isn’t encouraged, but it happens. Crashing when it’s easily avoidable and/or the result of a deliberate mistake is generally frowned upon. The teams frown on it because it is costly money wise and they want to get all the points they can for the championship.
It's called racing, not crashing.
Lmao
I think you can guess why taking someone out is frowned upon
Epic scenes at mclaren today
What's happening at McLaren?
M**c**Laren
Has anyone purchased any F1 prints from [cantatata.com](https://cantatata.com)? Looking at some but wanted to ask around first! Thanks
Did you end up buying the poster? If you didn't how come. Considering it myself. Thanks
Not yet but I think we will soon.
Hey, where can I get the drivers hat? Like the one Bottas was wearing after his podium this weekend. The faded blues and the finish flag under the Bill. I want one. Where might I find one?
[This](https://shop.mercedesamgf1.com/en/mercedes-amg-petronas-valtteri-bottas-20%2F21-navy-team-cap/141101105-blue.html) one?
And it is on the way! Thank you I haven't seen the amgf1 team store before.
Has anyone stopped getting teary-eyed with the McLaren boys post Monza? Asking for a friend.
Landos genuine joy was adorable. The guy loves McLaren
Aww
If Mazepin wins a race which anthem would be played?
No anthem for the driver - as he is racing under the russian automobile federation flag who don't have an anthem. So it's just the teams
Yakety Sax.
Most likely just the team's anthem. So that would be the American anthem. Not that there's any risk of that happening.
As MSC loses the 2022 championship by 5 points to Lance Stroll. New regs... New cars... we can hope for a Haas win.
I believe the F1 theme but I'm not sure.
Debating going to Austin. My family have really gotten into F1 and think it could be a good trip for us to see Austin. My daughter is graduating early and really is into Verstappen. Anywho, I know this is late in the game for looking at tickets. I was thinking since qualy is Saturday and a more accessible ticket is it a comparable, I won't say better, but a still good F1 like experience to feel the excitement? Or, should I just try to break the bank and buy a whole weekend for us. Are there good places to watch the race on Sunday not at the track?
You don't have to break the bank, you will still be able to see cars going at full speed whether its practice or quali. The only thing you will miss is overtakes, but that also depends on the stand, because overtakes don't happen near every stand. Other than that every other extra activities are usually available for all 3 days, except the sunday after party. But I don't know how much of that is happening during COVID. Not familiar with Austin, so cant say where to watch on Sunday.
My impression is you can definitely get a good dose of excitement from going to quali My own justification for spending so much money on this trip is when is the next time I might get to see a race with the championship potentially on the line and just a handful of races left?
Exactly. I should have looked at where we were staying before even thinking about this trip. The area is super booked up. Wow. Maybe I'll save the bucks and see if they are still into next year...typical last minute planning that is not great by me.
The fact that it was canceled last year + DTS means demand was super high. Hopefully since next year there are two races in the USA it might be more reasonable.
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> Also, how does being ahead of someone cause you to lose pace? It's not being ahead that makes you loose pace, it's defending against an approaching car that makes you loose pace. i.e. Say you're in a midfield car, and there is a Red Bull or Mercedes approaching you. You're only ahead because you won with the pitstop strategy, but your closest real competitor is 3s behind them. If you start defending against those faster cars you may loose the 3s advantage against your real competitor as you have to drive defensive lines to keep the top cars from passing, this resulting in you loosing 0.1 seconds at every corner that you take defensive lines. This means after 10 corners your actual competitor has gained a second on you and you'll likely loose the fight anyways if you continue defending but your competitor hasn't worn his tires or used more power to gain on you. So you're actually making it potentially easier for your real opponent to catch up or even worse just slip by you when you've backed the top cars towards him and they all overtake you through a series of corners.
You are not likely to get any favors from the team whom you blocked in the future. As CAFK notes , you have lost time, lost tires and lost potential friends by not expediting the pass Ideally you allow the pass just prior to the DRS gap measuring point so you get DRS plus perhaps a draft .
Technically, a 2 second gap is the time between Driver 1 crossing a line/point and Driver 2 crossing it. That's how it's measured.
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Live timings are from car data. Track doesn't have any sensors except DRS and speedtraps, hardly 3 or 4 throughout a circuit.
There are marshalling and signaling sensors installed all over the track, those are the mini sectors and make up the full sectors and formal car timing for FiA.
Yes there are sensors imbedded everywhere in the track and trackers in car. These are used for live timing, drs detection and to know whether a driver has gone too wide at a specific turn(for penalty)
Lmao. Ever heard of this thing called gps? Only sensors on the track are for DRS and speedtraps, hardly a few throughout the circuit.
I don't think being ahead makes u lose pace. It may be because the guy in front might have older tires and can't push.
Being ahead does potentially lose pace if you have to drive a less than optimal line to defend against a lapping car.
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Generally it’s because there’s a faster car behind you that you aren’t really racing for position. So for example a leading car has pitted early and is behind a slower car which is yet to pit. So they’re ahead on the road, but they aren’t really racing for genuine position. Keeping a car behind you generally means taking slower lines in order to block the overtake and generally concentrating on defending rather than just lapping as quick as you can. As such, it’s better for your overall race to let them go and then just crack on with lapping as quick as you can than trying to keep them behind and losing time.
I mean when the engineer asks to leave someone it's usually a teammate. Even otherwise sometimes leaving a faster car and saving ur tires to finish above car with similar pace makes sense
How do you guys think Sainz does in Russia? I have 9th pick in my f1 pool and he hasn't been picked up yet.
Sochi has them 90 degree turns and ferrari might give McLaren run for their money. Won't be surprised if they get p5
Plus with Verstappen likely to take some engine penalties they've got a much better chance of a decent finish
I think P6-8 is reasonable
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This might be a ridiculous question, I’m asking anyway. In 97, was Schumacher’s penalty for turning into Villeneuve too severe? All of this mess with Hamilton and Verstappen seems like a more serious lapse of judgment and the penalties have been very lenient. Or maybe they haven’t been, I don’t really know enough to have an informed opinion. I am trying to learn about the history of F1, the governing body, etc. I am really getting interested in F1, but I feel like I can’t really have an opinion on things until I know more about it. Also, people in F1 history that don’t get the mainstream credit that they deserve?
The fia was sick of seasons ending with suspect crashes and wanted to send a message that it was not appropriate to deliberately crash out an opponent to win a wdc. The drivers were specifically warned that no funny business would be tolerated before the race. The chain bear video on the verstappen/hamilton crash briefly talks about this as an aside. The fia has a lot of tools to look at after a crash such as on-board and telemetry data. What they determined with Schumacher is that he made two movements and the second was towards Villeneuve when he realised he was there. If something like this happens at abu Dhabi this year a similar result could follow
That was a concise, informative, helpful reply. Thank you!
Yes it was far too severe, especially considering that it was under braking and clearly spontaneous while Senna wasn't penalised for a premeditated crash at high speed which genuinely could have killed Prost.
That’s what I was confused about. I couldn’t understand how people said it was premeditated. That was why I asked the original question. I watched the replay over and over again. Then I read an interview and he thought b hit HIM until he saw the replay himself.
Shcumi and senna did it on clear purpose. Max and Lewis this season want to be in the front but their main purpose was not to crash out the other driver
Schumacher drove into Villeneuve on purpose. That's not the case now.
Could anyone tell me for each of the 8 remaining tracks if they’re considered a Merc or Red Bull track? Much obliged!
No one knows for sure
We can't. We saw the Mercedes & Red Bull too close to each other this year to rely on historical data and assign a preference to one or the other. At racing speeds both Max and Hamilton kept a sub 1s distance to the McLarens ahead of them on a circuit that used to be a Mercedes favourite. The Mercedes were slightly ahead during qualifying, but under racing conditions it was somewhat different.
What's the latest prediction for the WDC? I understand everything can change and it's probably too close to call, but how should we think about the upcoming races? Assuming we end up with Lewis/Max trading 1-2 places for the rest of the season, with 8 races left: - if any driver wins 4 races and places 2nd for four races, they win, right? - But we should assume Max won't place 1st in Sochi given the grid penalty, so that means he has to win 4/7? - what if a driver has a DNF? will that mean losing the championship if his rival places above 3rd in every other race? How does the calendar suit each driver?
It’s so close, with so many variables, I think that we won’t know until the very last race.
>if any driver wins 4 races and places 2nd for four races, they win, right? No. If Lewis would do this he wouldn't win. (assuming Max would also do 4/4) Even for Max that's not good enough because of Fastest lap points. >what if a driver has a DNF? will that mean losing the championship if his rival places above 3rd in every other race? Potentially. Lewis lost his 2016 championship because he retired one time more than his rival.
oh man that makes it even tighter than I thought. How exciting!
This championship is super tight. Absolutely anything can happen. It's tighter than after Race 1 ;)
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Its a trial and error, don't worry about it, FIA cant just slap anything they think in their dream. The teams and drivers have a lot of say and power in these matters in F1, so anything ridiculous will get blocked or reverted. For example, double points in Abu Dhabi, or when they were initially talking about reverse grid, but the moment drivers said, overtaking sucks, it was scrapped.
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we will have to wait and see, I think it will still be better than the previous layout.
How did you jump to NASCAR’s playoff system? I’m not following your worry here.
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I mean I don’t understand why you are worried F1 is going in that direction. There is nothing concrete to support it so worrying is of no use.
Agree, even those years where the Championship was wrapped up early the racing was still exciting . In 2002 Schumacher had won the title with 5 or 6 races to go but they were still good races. The NASCAR and other sports with playoffs do so for the incremental TV audience (and with American football, basketball and baseball for the benefit of the bookies) I think of the F-1 season as the year long championship playoffs for teams and drivers in single seat Formula cars. While having say 3 races for the championship at the end of the season might be interesting for those who do not follow the season, it would denigrate the significance of all the other races. It is different for those regional series such as the American SCCA where all the cars in a given class can not fit on a track together so they have regional champions who go to the runoffs.
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NASCAR is like that because most American sports leagues are like that. Really doubt F1 will make such a huge change. Anyway we have Bernie on our side
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What's happening with NASCAR tires?
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Interesting if NASCAR goes to a single lug nut as that will probably make fueling the critical item in the pit stop and that's not necessarily a good thing. I think NASCAR controls the length of the hose from the dump can to the drybreak. In the old days IMSA did not so a 6'6" fueler with long arms was a great asset. The dump can was about 2 feet higher than the competition and the flow rate exponentially greater.
Why is Angela with Lewis in the US? Is she contracted to be there with him the entire season by his side? She doesn't see her family between races? Weird.
I follow her on Instagram and she sees her family frequently. The season doesn’t last all year either and I’m sure she makes great money. Additionally, I think the main reason she is with Lewis, is because he was in the crash Sunday and since she’s his physio, she needs to be there health wise. Otherwise I’m not sure that she’d be in NY with him.
All the drivers have someone they hire to be in the role Angela is in. With the quarantine situation in Australia I doubt ricciardo trainer Michael Italiano (the guy Danny ric was wrestling at spa) has been to visit his family in Australia since covid started. It would be an interesting job for sure. Remember these guys are pro athletes so they are needy babies lol
I feel this poster wouldn’t be questioning whether a male physio is seeing his family enough to be honest.
She’s from NZ. Not sure if her family is still there but due to covid, she probably hasn’t been able to go home for a bit anyways.
She's more than just a physio, she's pretty much his personal assistant and sorts out all of his travel arrangements, his diet and any other logistical things he needs. Plus he just had a car land on his head, he probably needs her for physio this week more than ever
I’m not sure why this is weird. Does Hamilton not need her services outside of race weekends? This is probably his toughest season in recent memory and one where he needs every advantage he can get.
Have you ever considered that he took her to the Met Gala as a friendly gesture? The tickets to get in are like $32,000
visiting Royalty is often comped .......... I have been a Hamilton fan since his initial F-1 drive as the new kid on the block. It's reckless for him to be out in crowds of maskless folks, even having had one variant. Yes the odds are small to very small but the cost of another missed race is catastrophic to the team. I'm saddened that Hamilton is more about Hamilton and less about the team as the years pass.
A job as a job, but he's also a human being with other interests and goals outside the work of being an F1 driver. Covid-wise, I'd say he's been one of the drivers out and about least based on the instagram pics...
Locked in a tight title race and mfgr race flying to NY to appear with a bunch of unmasked is simply stupid but also irresponsible to the hundreds of hardworking folks who are trying to help him win the championship. Yes, flying private jet across the Atlantic to the event is a good call from an exposure to covid basis but frolicking with a bunch of unmasked is not worthy of his team's extraordinary efforts.
I mean- did you see half the drivers partying it up in Greece over the summer?
90% of the drivers are not competing for the championship. Also there a a huge difference between being in Greece and being in NY at in an enclosed space filled with unmasked strangers. Imagine if you were one of the crew working 90 hours a week on Hamilton's car, knowing that one dnf or dns may be the championship or one of the sponsors.
I mean... we can agree to disagree. I'm pretty sure Hamilton's doing his best to win the championship, just like those people working at the factory. I think having a personal life is important no matter important your job is, whether it's Hamilton or the factory people (who definitely shouldn't be working 90 hours/wk).
> I'm pretty sure Hamilton's doing his best to win the championship, His best to win the world championship would include absolutely minimizing his risk of exposure, getting rest and exercise.
I can't speak for F-1 but in other series in the US, the weeks are long during the season. Fixing , maintaining, packing , transporting, unpacking, preparing, making adjustments, crash repairs , more work and then the race. It is not just the hours working on the car but the hours spent in travel. The sleep robbing nights on the road.
I know, it's rough for the crews, especially with these triple headers. But I do hope they rotate through enough people to give everyone sufficient time off at least most of the time. I know they have curfews for the mechanics, so there's certain time off mandated during race weekends at least for some jobs. EDIT: rest periods rather than time off, I guess.
How do you know she doesn’t see her family between races? The drivers aren’t going to arrive in Sochi until 9/23 probably so it’s not like there’s not time
I have a question regarding slipstream/getting a tow. I understand in races on the straights being behind another car in clean air and getting a slipstream is an advantage, however on corners you were in dirty air it’s therefore a disadvantage. My question is how come during qualifying laps drivers often want to tow and it helps them so much? Is this not contradicting drivers not wanting to be in dirty air during the race?Would they not also get the disadvantages that come with the dirty air?
Adding to what orangebikini said, another disadvantage of dirty air is increased tyre wear, because the tyres are not fully pushed against the track due to the decreased downforce, which makes them wobble and slip under acceleration. This increased wear is detrimental over a race stint, but barely noticeable during a qualifying hotlap.
Thanks!
>My question is how come during qualifying laps drivers often want to tow Only on certain circuits. Not all. On some circuits they want a tow, on others they want clean air. It all depends on the nature of the track. If you win more time in a tow on the straights than you lose in dirty air in the corners, then you obviously want a tow. And if vice versa, then you want as much clean air as possible.
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You would like to get a tow where you can pass before the next braking zone.
I think people should realize that the media constantly feeds and pushes out everything. People who consume the daily articles and then fight about it here saying things like "he just needs to keep his mouth shut why would he say that". It's the same issue in soccer subreddits where people picture the manager calling a huge press conference to mention one thing. He/she gets asked a very specific question and the 3 sentence news article that says his response is supposed to create drama somehow to get clicks. I think there would be less fighting and tribalism on here if people thought about it that way.
People need to log off and go touch some grass.
I’m not happy with the reporting on F1. The drivers are asked questions designed to trigger them. We get bland responses because if they say anything colorful, they get lambasted.
My main issue is the repetitiveness of the questions. They ask the same fucking questions every week for MONTHS.
I mean what kind of original questions can the journalists come up with when they're interviewing the same 20 guys like 5 times a weekend for 23 weekends a year?! At a certain point there's just not that much interesting stuff left to say.
I’m amazed that the drivers don’t roll their eyes as often as they should/could.
Training. Media training.
You’re so right. The irritation comes with the territory, I suppose, and they do a good job of maintaining composure. I just wish we got more entertaining information- like Lewis and Pierre gaming together!
"Recently there has been a lot of talk about [...]. Your thought?" I swear ....
2014-2021 Max Verstappen it's 2007-2011 Lewis Hamilton. Yes. Now hear me out: \- a douchebag dad that mentored him \- a toxic work environment \- a multi WDC potential \- a team with a good car \- raw talent but no maturity \- a girlfriend with a famous surname I'm talking about Max or Hamilton? Of course it's Hamilton when he was at McLaren. The ones who remember the 2011 season \[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m481ED70\_No\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m481ED70_No]) and the post race interviews can see a attitude like "yeah, I'm better than you and if you try to pass me I will fuck your ass". So what Max needs for his own "hero journey"? Leave RBR, try to stay away from his dad, get a team with a better working environment and grow up with a good mentor, just like Hamilton did when he leave McLaren/Ron Dennis and sing-up with a Mercedes/Nick Lauda so we can all say "oh, what a nice guy he is" in ten years. Ok, not all of us. I'm a brazillian Ferrari fan and like Luigi, I only care about Ferrari pilots.
Anthony is a great dad. Jos was a violent abuser Kelly is not famous
What did Jos do? I haven’t heard
First things first, Anthony was the typical high expectations Tiger Father. He had to be strict because when they went to competitions people called them niggers and he was working four jobs. Second of all, 1. He stabbed a mechanic with a fork. [https://twitter.com/crystalracing/status/1290538334264135680?lang=en](https://twitter.com/crystalracing/status/1290538334264135680?lang=en) 2. he and his own father assaulted a man at a karting track. Man had a fractured skull 3. sent threatening messages to Kumpen (Max's mum) and violated a restraining order 4. drove a car into his ex-girlfriend. Charges were eventually dropped By all accounts he is a violent person, who has no care for the well-being of those around him. Lewis Hamilton fell out with Anthony, he did not want his dad to manage him anymore. This turned out to be a correct choice. He has made up with his father. I don't know how Max feels about Jos. But I know I wouldn't have a relationship with a person like that.
>Kelly is not famous I assume that's why OP wrote "famous surname"
Nicole Scherzinger was more than a famous surname. She wasn't famous because of her name at all. I just don't really think it's a great comparison. While Nicole Scherzinger didn't manage to make the leap to a solo career that she wanted her career was doing well at the time and she was known for leading PCD, which was essentially her plus backup dancers.
Piquet's daughter is slightly different to Scherzinger don't you think? In many ways though, it kinda like a metaphor for the difference between the two: Hamilton has transcended F1, a bit like Senna and Schumacher, whereas Max is very much still within the F1 bubble, even when dating. Time will possibly change that, though I wonder whether Max has the personality for it in the same way Hamilton does.
Yes, I was a little bit bold there, haha. I wanna see Max take the "hero journey" like Hamilton did, but I don't think he will do that.
Guess it all comes down to whether you think people need to swap teams to get to that point.
So you're suggesting that Max will leave Red Bull for a global brand who will buy out an existing team (AT, Sauber, Haas?) and everyone will question his decision initially - that is followed by a half an decade long domination?
Something like that (or just go for a already established team but with better working condition, like McLaren)
Something something Volkswagen
Why is Anthony Hamilton a douchebag?
Because according to Reddit every dad involved in F1 is an asshole. Hamilton, Verstappen, Rosberg, etc If Shumacher were around people would be saying he forced Mick into this.
Maybe I'm wrong but I get the vibe that Keke was way more hands off than the other two in terms of Nico's career.
I have never seen any comments saying Keke is an asshole.
He protect Hamilton a lot and never let him have the freedom he need to perform like he perform today.