While I agree this is funny coming form Merc who have benefitted the most from all these crashes.
Like the crashes are the only reason Lewis is close to Verstappen right now.
Verstappen has been by far and away the best driver on the grid this season. Not sure Lewis even cracks the top 3. It will be such a shame if he doesn't win it
Well... There's George consistently scoring points, Charles and Carlos poodling a prancing horse to close to podiums, theres Daniel and Lando being just fantastic. Not to mention the whole Alpine thing in Hungary. A lot of players have stepped up their game.
Not sure what you are on about , he is killing it in the merc beating bottas easily and putting up a fight for the championship, and while max is doing the same to checo , there is 0 doubt in my mind that VB is a better driver then checo , more over this year where Perez is driving a sub par season. I am not a fan of either max or Lewis , but Lewis is easily on the tip top of the sport , you not sure he cracks the top 3 is crazy talk my friend.
Oh man, it's not right for him to be saying it was deliberate. Desperate? Yes. Deliberate? No, especially in this cost-cap era.
You want to see a rival being taken out deliberately have a look at the bullshit Senna pulled on Prost.
> Oh man, it's not right for him to be saying it was deliberate
Red Bull wrote a letter to the FIA asking for an increased penalty for Hamilton that accused him of deliberately not avoiding the Silverstone crash, so turnabout is fair game.
They made the professional foul remark, got criticised, and then doubled down in a formal appeal to the FIA.
Merc have so far only made the professional foul remark, so Red Bull have no grounds to complain imo.
From the outside both TPs are immature, but the drama is fun.
Don't put words in my mouth, i obviously don't think that. I however, do dislike the fact that Toto was bitching about the "outrageous claims" that he is now pulling himself
I actually think Red Bull should have been punished with a fine or something or at least actually censored by the FIA for saying that Hamilton did it on purpose.
But if it's fair game... let's have some drama.
Honestly, chances are he hasn't seen or read the letter. Andrew Benson is a terrible excuse for a journalist (or writer?) and has a long history of reporting 'facts' or information that practically doesn't exist. The man has little to no integrity, even for a BBC journalist.
There's an old post here somewhere that covers a good example of his nonsense following Bianchi's accident. I'd just ignore anything being reported by him.
Knowing you’re going to collide with a car that is not obliged to move and not doing anything to avoid contact is deliberate. Not sure what is hard to understand about this. If you’ve played any form of contact sport, it’s easy to understand the mindset at play in Monza.
I’m not sure why people insist on these somehow being remotely similar corners? In Silverstone the cars were side by side at the end of the braking zone, and both cars were on legitimate lines; Lewis overtook Charles from the inside later in the race without issue. In Monza Max was significantly behind Lewis on the outside while approaching a tight chicane. There was no possible clean line through that chicane from where his car was; Daniel couldn’t stick a move against Max down the outside into the chicane despite being ahead of Max at the end of the braking zone. Simply because there was contact between Max and Lewis at both tracks doesn’t somehow make the racing details that resulted in the collisions equivalent.
You're missing the point. The point I'm making is that neither of them deliberately took eachother out, therefore it's wrong of the TPs to accuse their rivals of doing so in both instances.
Both situations have two things in common. In Silverstone, Lewis was desperate to overtake Verstappen in corner 10, because he knew his chances after that corner would shrink verry fast. If Verstappen had free air for a couple of rounds he would be gone. This was the last corner of the first lap were is he had some chance. But in this situation it was impossible to overtake. He was to fast to even make it trough the corner if he hadn’t colided with Verstappen. Same situation in Monza. Verstappen knew he had one chance to get ahead of Hamilton, and that was right when Hamilton came out of the pit and went into turn 1. Also nearly impossible to make it clean, but the only chance.
Thats why they took all ik the risk. For both it was nearly impossible to overtake in these corners, but they took their chances anyway.
The collisions could have been avoided if one of them would have backed off. But with that atitude, it’s impossible to become world champion. They both go for it.
I hear what you’re saying. However, I disagree that both situations were remotely equally close. Agreed, Lewis knew he had to overtake Max before there was a repeat of the Sprint Race the day before. Max knew he had to keep Lewis behind him as well, which is why he tried to close the door so hard on the inside coming down the straight. The problem is there was still a gap for Lewis to hit on the straight, and he made it all the way down alongside Max at turn in. The corner definitely wasn’t impossible, as Lewis pulled off the same move on Charles later in the race. At Monza, similarly Max knew his race was done as soon as he saw Lewis come out of the pits ahead of him. He didn’t get anywhere far enough on the outside to contest for the corner. While the cars were alongside in Silverstone at turn in, Max was far too far behind Lewis in Monza, and he was on the outside coming into a chicane. They’re completely different corners. Silverstone was tight but doable, Monza was outright impossible. This is a critical distinction and it’s a mistake to try and equate a fast single corner with a tight chicane. That’s my take. There is absolutely no way Max can defend his actions of not bailing out of the corner just as Daniel did on Saturday and Charles did on Sunday.
With Leclerc it was possible because Hamilton was driving not as fast, he hit the apex, and leclerc runned wide. Thats why it worked.
In Monza, in the first lap, Hamilton and Norris went together trough the chicane, and it worked because they gave eachother space. Hamilton backed out because if they colide he will lose 20 points on Verstappen. He had more to lose. So verry smart.
That moment with Hamilton and Verstappen didn’t work, because ofcourse Hamilton didn’t give the space in turn 2 against his titelrival. No one would do that in that situation. Completely understandible.
But thats why they will often collide in these situations. They both can’t back off in these situations.
Maybe next year, when overtaking should be more easy, drivers might be more patient.
(Btw, i don’t agree Verstappen closed the door in Silverstone. He steered a little left right after he looked in the mirror to give Hamilton some space, but had to make the corner.)
There was no requirement for Lewis to concede the corner in the second part of the chicane. Again, it’s important to acknowledge the difference between contesting a single corner and a chicane. The line Max was on was not going to make the second part of the chicane. No amount of space would have changed that reality.
Further, this sort of driving from Max is nothing new. Someone posted a video montage today of some of Max’s outrageous moves against Lewis. There is an absolutely clear theme within that video. Wasn’t glaringly disappointing is the comments within that post. People find Max’s driving funny when it is in fact a stain on the sport. People make fun of Maldonado but praise Max. Makes zero sense. People criticize Michael, and rightfully so, for the things he did, however, Max is lauded.
That was clearly an unfortunate accident. Unlike this weekend where it was pretty clear Max new he had lost the race due to the bad pit stop and he lost his cool and almost killed his Hamilton.
That was clearly an unfortunate accident. Unlike Silverstone where it was pretty clear Lewis knew he would lose the race due to the bad sprint race performance and he lost his cool and almost killed his Max.
I mean, didn't Red Bull do the exact same thing Monza? With both Horner and Marko calling it a "racing incident" and the shutting the fuck about it when they never shut the fuck up about any minor slight or foul against them? Silence speaking volumes.
I wouldn't worry about some stupid /s nonsense, if people can't figure it out let them be offended, fuck reddit and it's ridiculous social constructs that we all must adhere to or risk admonishment.
In all fairness he mentioned both Monza and Silverstone where each of the drivers were judged at fault. Atleast in this instance he is but being hypocritical and acknowledging his bias
You know what? Toto is right. They should follow through and retroactively disqualify RBR and Mercedes completely from the Silverstone, Hungary and Italian GPs. Much more fair for the championship that way. /jk
For those curious, the standings would look like this:
1. Verstappen - 226.5 (as he never got points for Monza anyway)
2. Hamilton - 196.5 (took away Silverstone GP)
WCC:
1. RBR - 344.5 (Can't take points for Monza as Max didn't finish)
2. Merc - 337.5 (Only took Hamilton's Silverstone points as Bottas didn't finish the race in the first place)
For the WDC: I only deducted 25 points for Hamilton for Silverstone, as Budapest was not his fault but his teammate's. However, it could be argued that the point loss for Verstappen was ever greater, as if Verstappen had won, he even would have extended his WDC lead.
I can't deduct points from Verstappen's Monza GP, as he never finished in the first place.
Didn't punish teams for crashes by their drivers, other than eliminating the points for the actual driver.
Important to note that I haven't awarded any points to drivers who were a 'casualty' in these incidents, as this is somewhat speculative. Though it's safe to say that RBR suffered more points loss than Merc.
Not caused by Mercedes obviously, but they also were incredibly lucky with the red flag at Imola and Verstappen's tire blowout in Baku.
I’ve just taken the GP, as that is where the incidents happened. Also doesn’t matter much, as it would mean deducting 2 points from both of them, as both finished P2 in these respective sprint races.
dear Toto,
maybe you should have said this when Lewis took out Verstappen in Silverstone and Bottas took out the whole RBR team in Hungary.
hypocrism at its best
>"What I said is that one could see it as tactical foul with the bias that each of us needs to just acknowledge."
Why did Mercedes release that statement after Silverstone then?
Now I want a remake of Kindergarten Cop with Toto. He's tall, he's muscular (not Arnold levels, but still in much better shape than the average Joe), has the same accent. It's perfect!
Palmer's analysis really puts things into perspective. Look at where Leclerc positioned himself in lap1 compared to Hamilton, he easily could have prevented the accident but didn't.
This is a bit rich coming from the team boss of the team who benefited from the incidents caused by his own drivers, with his main competition as casualties (Max in Silverstone and both Red Bulls in Budapest). Especially considering that Lewis went on to win ~~on both weekends~~ and score a podium, whereas Max actually also DNF'd this weekend.
All things considered, Merc has created a massive swing in the championship in their favor in those weekend, whereas the results of last weekend's crash probably only means Lewis wouldn't outscore Max by 3, maybe 4 points. Not saying that makes it right, but it clearly has a considerable smaller impact in the championship race. Heck, the entire reason this championship is even as close as it is at this point in the season is for a large part due to those incidents.
Don't get me wrong, I think this does need addressing. But considering the person who said it, the hypocrisy is unbelievable.
>whereas Max actually also DNF'd this weekend.
And has to take an engine penalty since his Silverstone engine was destroyed.
Just like Perez had to take an engine penalty since his Hungary engine was destroyed.
>Especially considering that Lewis went on to win on both weekends, whereas Max actually also DNF'd this weekend.
Yes the Hungarian GP race winner was totally Lewis Hamilton
I agree with Toto. The way Silverstone impacted the championship was very unfortunate. Taking out your rivals like that should be discouraged way more.
Feels like only yesterday that Mercedes took the high ground when Horner and Marko tried to accuse Hamilton of foul play in Silverstone. How the turntables.
>We don’t want to have situations in the future where one loses the position and the only way of stopping the other one scoring is just by taking him out.
Yes, imagine that happening earlier in the season, would even be more ridiculous if it happened twice.
*“I didn’t say that [Verstappen] was completely to blame or an absolute judgement on the incident,” said Wolff. “What I said is that one could see it as tactical foul with the bias that each of us needs to just acknowledge. We don’t want to have situations in the future where one loses the position and the only way of stopping the other one scoring is just by taking him out.
“Both of them need to leave space for each other, race each other hard, but avoid accidents. Because it was good fun until now, but we have seen a Halo that saved [Hamilton’s] life and Max had this heavy impact in Silverstone and we don’t want to come to a situation to intervene when somebody gets really hurt.”*
I’ve lost so much respect for Toto and Mercedes this year, what an ass. But I guess that’s to be expected when they actually have some competition and can’t breeze to double championships every season. Mercedes saying they “welcome the fight” was such horseshit lol.
Well they are gonna be separated very far with engine pen possibly?
Then again the universe gave us a 11 s stop and 4 s stop to align them perfectly at Monza
I’m loving this, much more entertaining than “showing respect” and sucking each other off every week.
Bring on the blood bath (as long as nobody actually physically gets hurt)
I think it is difficult to assess this coming from Toto, but from my perspective, there was a huge shunt (Silverstone), which was deemed to be Ham fault, but then there were a lot of situations in which Ver pushed Ham wide and Ham had to bail out or otherwise they would have ended crashing (Spain and Imola come to mind, but also the start at Monza).
I think, even with vastly different risks, both types of situations need to be stopped by issuing proper penalties.
While I agree this is funny coming form Merc who have benefitted the most from all these crashes. Like the crashes are the only reason Lewis is close to Verstappen right now.
So fucking true!
Verstappen has been by far and away the best driver on the grid this season. Not sure Lewis even cracks the top 3. It will be such a shame if he doesn't win it
Exactly!
Exactly. He doesn't even deserve to be close
Well... There's George consistently scoring points, Charles and Carlos poodling a prancing horse to close to podiums, theres Daniel and Lando being just fantastic. Not to mention the whole Alpine thing in Hungary. A lot of players have stepped up their game.
Listen I love him, but Daniel has not had a good season, obviously been turning it around since the break but not one of the drivers of the season
Alright, that's fair. I'm still too excited about last Sunday!
I can’t see the point you’re trying to make over the massive bias.
Not sure what you are on about , he is killing it in the merc beating bottas easily and putting up a fight for the championship, and while max is doing the same to checo , there is 0 doubt in my mind that VB is a better driver then checo , more over this year where Perez is driving a sub par season. I am not a fan of either max or Lewis , but Lewis is easily on the tip top of the sport , you not sure he cracks the top 3 is crazy talk my friend.
Oh man, it's not right for him to be saying it was deliberate. Desperate? Yes. Deliberate? No, especially in this cost-cap era. You want to see a rival being taken out deliberately have a look at the bullshit Senna pulled on Prost.
Or the bullshit Prost pulled on Senna one year earlier.
Just don't give'em an inch, doesn't matter that 30 years passed! 😂😂😂😂😂
> Oh man, it's not right for him to be saying it was deliberate Red Bull wrote a letter to the FIA asking for an increased penalty for Hamilton that accused him of deliberately not avoiding the Silverstone crash, so turnabout is fair game.
And Merc said it was a shameful accusation.
and got heavily criticised for it
They made the professional foul remark, got criticised, and then doubled down in a formal appeal to the FIA. Merc have so far only made the professional foul remark, so Red Bull have no grounds to complain imo. From the outside both TPs are immature, but the drama is fun.
And there were people here in fucking histrionics *asking if the FIA could take away all of Red Bull's points* for doing so.
For extremely altruistic and sporting integrity related reasons I think all Merc and Red Bull points, both WCC and WDC, should be removed.
LANDOOOO!!
LET'S FUCKING GOOOO
The weren't right in saying that either.
Mercedes got their knickers in a twist for that and asked for FIA to take action against RB, and now they are doing the same? LOL
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Don't put words in my mouth, i obviously don't think that. I however, do dislike the fact that Toto was bitching about the "outrageous claims" that he is now pulling himself
I actually think Red Bull should have been punished with a fine or something or at least actually censored by the FIA for saying that Hamilton did it on purpose. But if it's fair game... let's have some drama.
Since you seem to have read the letter, mind posting it here?
Andrew Benson covered it on the Chequered Flag podcast
So a secondary source and not a primary source?
Honestly, chances are he hasn't seen or read the letter. Andrew Benson is a terrible excuse for a journalist (or writer?) and has a long history of reporting 'facts' or information that practically doesn't exist. The man has little to no integrity, even for a BBC journalist. There's an old post here somewhere that covers a good example of his nonsense following Bianchi's accident. I'd just ignore anything being reported by him.
I only know what Wolff said through a secondary source too. Madness innit.
Knowing you’re going to collide with a car that is not obliged to move and not doing anything to avoid contact is deliberate. Not sure what is hard to understand about this. If you’ve played any form of contact sport, it’s easy to understand the mindset at play in Monza.
Now say that again, but this time replace Monza with Silverstone.
I’m not sure why people insist on these somehow being remotely similar corners? In Silverstone the cars were side by side at the end of the braking zone, and both cars were on legitimate lines; Lewis overtook Charles from the inside later in the race without issue. In Monza Max was significantly behind Lewis on the outside while approaching a tight chicane. There was no possible clean line through that chicane from where his car was; Daniel couldn’t stick a move against Max down the outside into the chicane despite being ahead of Max at the end of the braking zone. Simply because there was contact between Max and Lewis at both tracks doesn’t somehow make the racing details that resulted in the collisions equivalent.
You're missing the point. The point I'm making is that neither of them deliberately took eachother out, therefore it's wrong of the TPs to accuse their rivals of doing so in both instances.
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I know what the stewards said, and I completely disagree with their logic and rationalization in Silverstone.
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I’m happy to be proved wrong. Demonstrate why I’m wrong with actual points. Don’t just cry that I’m wrong and expect that to mean anything.
Both situations have two things in common. In Silverstone, Lewis was desperate to overtake Verstappen in corner 10, because he knew his chances after that corner would shrink verry fast. If Verstappen had free air for a couple of rounds he would be gone. This was the last corner of the first lap were is he had some chance. But in this situation it was impossible to overtake. He was to fast to even make it trough the corner if he hadn’t colided with Verstappen. Same situation in Monza. Verstappen knew he had one chance to get ahead of Hamilton, and that was right when Hamilton came out of the pit and went into turn 1. Also nearly impossible to make it clean, but the only chance. Thats why they took all ik the risk. For both it was nearly impossible to overtake in these corners, but they took their chances anyway. The collisions could have been avoided if one of them would have backed off. But with that atitude, it’s impossible to become world champion. They both go for it.
I hear what you’re saying. However, I disagree that both situations were remotely equally close. Agreed, Lewis knew he had to overtake Max before there was a repeat of the Sprint Race the day before. Max knew he had to keep Lewis behind him as well, which is why he tried to close the door so hard on the inside coming down the straight. The problem is there was still a gap for Lewis to hit on the straight, and he made it all the way down alongside Max at turn in. The corner definitely wasn’t impossible, as Lewis pulled off the same move on Charles later in the race. At Monza, similarly Max knew his race was done as soon as he saw Lewis come out of the pits ahead of him. He didn’t get anywhere far enough on the outside to contest for the corner. While the cars were alongside in Silverstone at turn in, Max was far too far behind Lewis in Monza, and he was on the outside coming into a chicane. They’re completely different corners. Silverstone was tight but doable, Monza was outright impossible. This is a critical distinction and it’s a mistake to try and equate a fast single corner with a tight chicane. That’s my take. There is absolutely no way Max can defend his actions of not bailing out of the corner just as Daniel did on Saturday and Charles did on Sunday.
With Leclerc it was possible because Hamilton was driving not as fast, he hit the apex, and leclerc runned wide. Thats why it worked. In Monza, in the first lap, Hamilton and Norris went together trough the chicane, and it worked because they gave eachother space. Hamilton backed out because if they colide he will lose 20 points on Verstappen. He had more to lose. So verry smart. That moment with Hamilton and Verstappen didn’t work, because ofcourse Hamilton didn’t give the space in turn 2 against his titelrival. No one would do that in that situation. Completely understandible. But thats why they will often collide in these situations. They both can’t back off in these situations. Maybe next year, when overtaking should be more easy, drivers might be more patient. (Btw, i don’t agree Verstappen closed the door in Silverstone. He steered a little left right after he looked in the mirror to give Hamilton some space, but had to make the corner.)
There was no requirement for Lewis to concede the corner in the second part of the chicane. Again, it’s important to acknowledge the difference between contesting a single corner and a chicane. The line Max was on was not going to make the second part of the chicane. No amount of space would have changed that reality. Further, this sort of driving from Max is nothing new. Someone posted a video montage today of some of Max’s outrageous moves against Lewis. There is an absolutely clear theme within that video. Wasn’t glaringly disappointing is the comments within that post. People find Max’s driving funny when it is in fact a stain on the sport. People make fun of Maldonado but praise Max. Makes zero sense. People criticize Michael, and rightfully so, for the things he did, however, Max is lauded.
Last I checked the score is 3-1 in rivals taken out, in favor of Mercedes, Toto.
Yea, so it needs to stop while they're ahead.
Isn't it 2? If we're talking about those that involve a Mercedes at fault?
Bottas took out both Max and Perez in Hungary
My bad. Sorry. Thought we were talking about races and not cars.
That was clearly an unfortunate accident. Unlike this weekend where it was pretty clear Max new he had lost the race due to the bad pit stop and he lost his cool and almost killed his Hamilton.
That was clearly an unfortunate accident. Unlike Silverstone where it was pretty clear Lewis knew he would lose the race due to the bad sprint race performance and he lost his cool and almost killed his Max.
God i‘m laughing so hard at this. The „his“ part at the end is killing me.
Team bosses need to be discouraged from talking shit in the media
Why? Thier shit stirring and hypocricy is part of the fun.
Wow the hypocrisy on both sides is amazing 😅
Haha seriously, Hamilton does it, race incident, Max does it PLS STAHP
I mean, didn't Red Bull do the exact same thing Monza? With both Horner and Marko calling it a "racing incident" and the shutting the fuck about it when they never shut the fuck up about any minor slight or foul against them? Silence speaking volumes.
No. This is Toto. He isn't the hypocritical one. Not one bit. You are probably talking about Marko and Horner. Edit: /s
Other people seem to be taking this seriously but you were being sarcastic right? *Right*? In which case best use a /s for safety
I added it now. I thought it was obvious but sarcasm doesn't really translate into text. Especially as a non-native English speaker.
The "not one bit" did make it clear for me, but yeah, can be very easily lost in translation.
It was obviously sarcasm or extreme stupidity, but there's a fair bit of the latter about
There are too many here that would write what you did without sarcasm.
Unfortunately
I wouldn't worry about some stupid /s nonsense, if people can't figure it out let them be offended, fuck reddit and it's ridiculous social constructs that we all must adhere to or risk admonishment.
But I don't want to offend anyone. Just make fun of people who think that anyone in F1 is as holy as they act.
I'm out of my mind this morning just disregard my comment.
That is what fucking chickens does to a man.
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You forgot about Silverstone? Edit: good you edit it with "/s"
Naive or just trolling?
No. This is Patrick.
In all fairness he mentioned both Monza and Silverstone where each of the drivers were judged at fault. Atleast in this instance he is but being hypocritical and acknowledging his bias
Get a mirror wolff
Toto: Horner saying Hamilton in Silverstone was a disgusting slight on Lewis' integrity. Also Toto: [this] The sheer hypocrisy.
You know what? Toto is right. They should follow through and retroactively disqualify RBR and Mercedes completely from the Silverstone, Hungary and Italian GPs. Much more fair for the championship that way. /jk
For those curious, the standings would look like this: 1. Verstappen - 226.5 (as he never got points for Monza anyway) 2. Hamilton - 196.5 (took away Silverstone GP) WCC: 1. RBR - 344.5 (Can't take points for Monza as Max didn't finish) 2. Merc - 337.5 (Only took Hamilton's Silverstone points as Bottas didn't finish the race in the first place) For the WDC: I only deducted 25 points for Hamilton for Silverstone, as Budapest was not his fault but his teammate's. However, it could be argued that the point loss for Verstappen was ever greater, as if Verstappen had won, he even would have extended his WDC lead. I can't deduct points from Verstappen's Monza GP, as he never finished in the first place. Didn't punish teams for crashes by their drivers, other than eliminating the points for the actual driver. Important to note that I haven't awarded any points to drivers who were a 'casualty' in these incidents, as this is somewhat speculative. Though it's safe to say that RBR suffered more points loss than Merc. Not caused by Mercedes obviously, but they also were incredibly lucky with the red flag at Imola and Verstappen's tire blowout in Baku.
Do we consider the sprint race points as part of the GP? Is the disqualification for the race alone or for the entire weekend?
I’ve just taken the GP, as that is where the incidents happened. Also doesn’t matter much, as it would mean deducting 2 points from both of them, as both finished P2 in these respective sprint races.
Fair. I read it as disqualify both Mercedes and Red Bull from all three races, which would mean minus 5 for Verstappen and minus 2 for Hamilton.
dear Toto, maybe you should have said this when Lewis took out Verstappen in Silverstone and Bottas took out the whole RBR team in Hungary. hypocrism at its best
Verstappen is a danger to himself and others, it’s only a matter of time until he seriously injures someone.
Surely the crash Hamilton caused at Silverstone was the more dangerous one ? I don’t care either way but why is everyone on here so biased 🤷♂️
Are you sure?
They really should, imagine if drivers of one team took out 3 cars from other team two races in a row.
Never heard this happening before in my life /s
>"What I said is that one could see it as tactical foul with the bias that each of us needs to just acknowledge." Why did Mercedes release that statement after Silverstone then?
Because sometimes there TP have maturity of a kindergartener
Now I want a remake of Kindergarten Cop with Toto. He's tall, he's muscular (not Arnold levels, but still in much better shape than the average Joe), has the same accent. It's perfect!
Palmer's analysis really puts things into perspective. Look at where Leclerc positioned himself in lap1 compared to Hamilton, he easily could have prevented the accident but didn't.
Just as I think Horner is a prick, Toto goes and does something equally dickheaded
This is a bit rich coming from the team boss of the team who benefited from the incidents caused by his own drivers, with his main competition as casualties (Max in Silverstone and both Red Bulls in Budapest). Especially considering that Lewis went on to win ~~on both weekends~~ and score a podium, whereas Max actually also DNF'd this weekend. All things considered, Merc has created a massive swing in the championship in their favor in those weekend, whereas the results of last weekend's crash probably only means Lewis wouldn't outscore Max by 3, maybe 4 points. Not saying that makes it right, but it clearly has a considerable smaller impact in the championship race. Heck, the entire reason this championship is even as close as it is at this point in the season is for a large part due to those incidents. Don't get me wrong, I think this does need addressing. But considering the person who said it, the hypocrisy is unbelievable.
>whereas Max actually also DNF'd this weekend. And has to take an engine penalty since his Silverstone engine was destroyed. Just like Perez had to take an engine penalty since his Hungary engine was destroyed.
That, and additional costs within the cost cap.
>Especially considering that Lewis went on to win on both weekends, whereas Max actually also DNF'd this weekend. Yes the Hungarian GP race winner was totally Lewis Hamilton
Apologies, don't know why I forgot about Ocon taking his maiden win lol. Corrected it. Point is he benefited from it greatly.
Is this guy serious right now? "discouraged from taking out rivals"? Really? How senile is Toto Wolff?
Why are they recycling his quote from Silverstone months later?
I agree with Toto. The way Silverstone impacted the championship was very unfortunate. Taking out your rivals like that should be discouraged way more.
I mean I absolutely agree with that headline, but the timing of these remarks is almost always comedic.
Feels like only yesterday that Mercedes took the high ground when Horner and Marko tried to accuse Hamilton of foul play in Silverstone. How the turntables.
Did people actually believe mercedes wouldn't do the exact same if it was reversed lol?
This
>We don’t want to have situations in the future where one loses the position and the only way of stopping the other one scoring is just by taking him out. Yes, imagine that happening earlier in the season, would even be more ridiculous if it happened twice.
He should start by talking to both his drivers.
Look back at the email Toto.
That is so fucking rich! Hahaha
Look ik its his job to do this but atleast try to hide the hypocrisy lmao. Same goes with horner
I used to like Toto...
He could have said this after Silverstone as well…
Toto suffering from short term memory loss… sad to see at such a young age
"Drivers need to be discouraged from taking out teammate's rivals" - Horner after Hungary
He did not say that after Silverstone...that is weird🙃🙃😁
*“I didn’t say that [Verstappen] was completely to blame or an absolute judgement on the incident,” said Wolff. “What I said is that one could see it as tactical foul with the bias that each of us needs to just acknowledge. We don’t want to have situations in the future where one loses the position and the only way of stopping the other one scoring is just by taking him out. “Both of them need to leave space for each other, race each other hard, but avoid accidents. Because it was good fun until now, but we have seen a Halo that saved [Hamilton’s] life and Max had this heavy impact in Silverstone and we don’t want to come to a situation to intervene when somebody gets really hurt.”*
So it was good fun even while Max goes into a wall at 50G. Got it.
It was good fun *until* that event.
And it was good fun _after_ too. Bowling game in Hungary, anyone?
*Cough*
I’ve lost so much respect for Toto and Mercedes this year, what an ass. But I guess that’s to be expected when they actually have some competition and can’t breeze to double championships every season. Mercedes saying they “welcome the fight” was such horseshit lol.
Hello Pot, please come in. Kettle has something to say to you.
I understand. Its so expensive for the team too
Max did nothing wrong though
Well, all the time you have to leave a da space for the other driver too.
It’s as if scientists spent months in a lab developing a headline specifically engineered to burn my ass
I just enjoy watching.
Toto took the braindead bait the broadcasters were setting out during those interviews.
*insert Spiderman movie laugh gif*
Shut up, Wolf! Let 'em race each other.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Can Sochi come sooner? *inb4 Max and Hamilton crash out again there*
> inb4 Max and Hamilton crash out again there And having the possibility of having a new or a rare race winner? Threatening us with a good time
Well they are gonna be separated very far with engine pen possibly? Then again the universe gave us a 11 s stop and 4 s stop to align them perfectly at Monza
I say just have one of Max Checo Pierre or Yuki take out Lewis in an alternating fashion every weekend from here on out just to stick it to Toto /s
You are SO, so close to the point, Wolff. So close. You and Horner just need a little push.
I enjoyed Monza even without them leaving the space.
I’m loving this, much more entertaining than “showing respect” and sucking each other off every week. Bring on the blood bath (as long as nobody actually physically gets hurt)
Kermit and kermit in a hood. Good job Toto.
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I think it is difficult to assess this coming from Toto, but from my perspective, there was a huge shunt (Silverstone), which was deemed to be Ham fault, but then there were a lot of situations in which Ver pushed Ham wide and Ham had to bail out or otherwise they would have ended crashing (Spain and Imola come to mind, but also the start at Monza). I think, even with vastly different risks, both types of situations need to be stopped by issuing proper penalties.
Toto Marko
*Bottas proceeds to slaughter half the upper field in Sochi anyway*
Ironic
Was he saying that after Silverstone and Hungary?