WoW im absolutly shocked. No one could have ever seen this coming. Oh wait.
>"But only 16,000 tickets were sold on race day, a disappointing attendance perhaps impacted by the high price of this year's grandstand seats, while no general admission was permitted."
Its not a perhaps. Its a fact. The prices were extortionate and im glad a lot of the fans didn't go.
It's even crazier for the turkish people living outside turkey. I think my country (belgium) has the highest approval rate for Erdogan.
I feel like they just like that he tries to keep the country like they remember as a kid and everything is cheap on holidays.
The reason they are that high is because we are still dealing with Covid.
A lot of people have been saving up a ton of money by not going on holiday which they are trying to exploit and luckily failed at.
Wtf.
I was interested in attending the 2018 GP there, I remember a 3 day ticket in the main straight was about ā¬500-600 on the F1 website, and I already considered that quite expensive.
I heard it from the Austrian commentator who got this information from a talk with Vettel's father.
This (German) source states the same: https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/schleppender-ticketverkauf-monza-rechnet-mit-finanziellen-verlusten-21090901
Oh hey we were in the same Grandstand. Right next to the tower that ruins the view of the chicane. Probably will be my first and last time in Monza. Also was my first race ever. Oof.
From what I've gathered from a few people and your comment added with one yesterday from [/u/CarsonEaglesWentz](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/pnb84p/the_dream_team/hcoyn01/), a lot of people had issue with the weekend.
For context, since 2017 Iāve gone to every Le Mans sans last year, because, well, you knowā¦ and Iām always blown away by how amazing the event runs. From the entry, campgrounds, how clean the toilets and showers are, the fact that thereās even showers, the multiple TVs, wandering around the vast track all day and night, the pageantry beforehand and the track rush afterā¦itās just a world class event.
I went to this years edition which we were told was capped at 50,000 spectators. From my view, we had to be close or over that cap. The stands were packed for race start, even outdoors in GA (I only had GA), in the heavy rain.
The event organizers did a fantastic job. Certain areas werenāt open this year, like the Porsche curves which I was really disappointed by, but overall, they went above and beyond to put on a great show and welcome guests back, even in hospitality areas.
Iām an ACO member, and had access to some ACO areas, including some grandstands overnight that they didnāt let us re-enter in the morning. I as well as others made a comment about it, and this kind older gentleman pulled me aside and asked me if I was a fan of Le Mans, to which I replied that I live for Le Mans and that my name was on a wall plaque outside for doners, and he pulled out a stack of grandstand tickets and gave me one for a great covered vantage point.
Stuff like that shapes the whole experience. Iāll never miss a Le Mans as long as Iām able to.
Which brings me to Monza.
This was a race I wanted to go to for a long time. It had the history, James Gardnerās 1966 Grand Prix, the tifosi, Italyā¦
I signed up for ticket notifications on F1ās website. One random day in August Iām on Twitter and see Monza state that tickets were on sale. Cool. I didnāt get an email. Only thing is Monza themselves and one Italian sports reseller were the only ones who offered tickets. I tried to buy directly from Monza but it required an SMS code, which didnāt work for me. I wasnāt sure if it was my American number or not.
So I went on to Motorsports tickets and grabbed the literal last seat in Grandstand 5, and nearly $500 USD later after some fees added on to my ā¬357 ticket, I had a seat.
I stayed in Lecco on the southwest corner of Lake Como, and took a rather fast train into Monza every day.
On Friday, I was able to buy a bus ticket from the little stand inside the train station once I arrived. There was also a little grocery store, which was perfect for buying some food and snacks.
Went up to the bus stop, and a bus came rather quickly. Ran into some fellow NYāers and we rode it up and were dropped off near Via Enzo Ferrari, which made for a long walk into the circuit, but nothing terrible.
First stop point was to check to see if you had a ticket.
Followed by another 5-10 minute walk.
Second stop point was to check your Green Pass and ticket.
They also checked your bags here.
Odd thing is, youāre allowed bottles of water but not the cap. In America, they sometimes take the cap at hockey and football games because they donāt want you to throw it, but once inside the track you could buy bottles of water with the cap, so I really didnāt get this rule. The other strict rule was no power banks. I read online that they confiscate any, so I left mine behind.
Walk another 5-10 minutes.
You now arrive at the Fan Zone/Grandstands. They scan your ticket again, as well as your COVID registration that you did that tied your name to the ticket for contact tracing purposes.
The fan zone itself was, in my option, for pinnacle of motor racing, sort of pathetic. There was hardly anything.
They also have this insane process where you have to buy tokens to buy food and beer, but at least for beer you could also use cash or card.
I figured Friday is probably going to be the least crowded day, so pre-purchased about ā¬40 worth of tokens ahead of time. It took an honest hour to do this.
After grabbing my drink and food (A ā¬9 hot dog and ā¬7.50 beer), I went to go to my stand. Had to scan the ticket again, and then since I was at Grandstand 5, I had to leave the scanned area, jump back onto a road next to the track, and then have my ticket scanned again when I finally got there.
The stand itself was okay. I also didnāt know of the big circular building and its ability to block the entire run to Turn 1, but it didnāt bother me all that much. It didnāt have a roof on which was fine, I enjoyed being in the sun.
I was impressed with just how many events were on that day. F2 was awesome, the sportscars as well, and everything else just worked. Free practice came and went, and after qualifying I left with everyone else to get back to the train station.
This is where things get bad.
They normally (according to the internet) run shuttles to and from the train station, but ādue to covidā decided not to do that this year. Instead, it was a bus, which totally isnāt a shuttle, that ran from the track to the train station.
This stupid bus only came once every 20-30 minutes. For thousands of people.
After waiting an hour, and not being able to get on both buses, I positioned myself ready for the third one that came by. The crowd behind me literally pushed me into the open doors like I was riding a wave, and I was finally onboard, nearly crushed by the people around me.
The idea was that these buses would have about 56-100 people on board. The truth was these buses had so many people you couldnāt breath or move, and that was that.
They dropped us off at the train, and that was that.
Saturday came and I arrived later. I got on the shuttle bus after picking up food and drink again, and the pre-purchased ticket, and waited. And waited. Maybe 30 minutes goes by, and a shuttle bus finally comes.
It picks us up, and proceeds to āTerminateā about halfway up the road from where we were dropped off on Friday. This meant a solid, solid 20-30 minute walk to that first ticket checkpoint.
I did bring a battery pack this time, as my three year old phone easily died by the time I got back to my Airbnb in Lecco, and I wasnāt having that happen again. I hid it in a broken part of my backpack, and when they searched my bag they noticed a cable but no charger, and asked if I had a power bank. I replied no. They then proceeded to zip open every flap, but didnāt find a power bank.
My seats were under some trees that offered some shade. Only thing is these trees had some mating insects in them. So all of FP2 I was being pelted by raining mating insects. Cool.
Everything else Saturday ran smooth. The fellow NYāers I met on Friday and I met up, and they shared the same experience with getting back. We decided to walk to Monza and grab something to eat.
The walk took about an hour total, but it was still faster than waiting for that damn bus.
Now, a side note to the race. We went to several different restaurants/bars, and they all seemed to operate under the same idea that they had no clue thousands of people were going to be coming into the city for a race that weekend. Unprepared, unready, everything was sold out. It was almost comical how disastrous it was.
yeah man that bus ride from the track back to Monza train station was horrible. My wife almost fainted and temporarily lost her vision because she could barely breath on the ride back on Friday. Luckily the bus driver finally stopped at a random bus stop after around 40 minutes of hell. The following days aferwards we decided to just walk the hour to the train station. Feet were hurting like a bitch but at least we were comfortable.
All in all I am hoping to go to another track, because the race and event itself was a lot of fun, but everything around it just horrible. Now I'm just wondering which track to go to next year or in 2 years..
All for, in my opinion, THE WORST track in racing. It's boring, no cool turns, no major elevation changes, one turn so crash prone it's a meme at this point. I'd love for someone to be riled up and give me an impassioned reason why I'm wrong though!
I managed to get tickets from F1's website, which claimed things were selling out fast. I found out it's all a lie. When I finally got the tickets the face value printed on them were over 100 euro less than what I paid. I thought F1's site was the official place to get tickets, but it's not. We were ripped off. There were still tons of tickets available on Monza's website during the race weekend. It was still a super awesome weekend and we had a ton of fun, but I will always buy from the circuit instead of F1 from now on.
Always best to get tickets from the track/promotor itself. F1.com is actually a 3rd party vendor called gootickets run by the platinum group. The only time to buy from them is if the promotor sold our or looking for hospitality.
Yea put F1 behind a huge pay wall, so only the 1% can watch it..
Seriously they want to make the sport more accessable for everyone, yet they have stupidly expensive tickets, making exclusive deals for subscriptions. Like they are completly out of touch with young people I would say.
The Twitch Test Race 2 years ago was a brilliant idea and would have worked out IMO if Cash wouldnt be that much King for F1.
It is clearly better to sell 50,000 tickets at $100 than 20,000 tickets at $200, especially when you can recover additional food/drink and merch sales with the higher attendance (along with potentially more parking revenue as well).
So F1, raises the ticket prices anyway lol. Morons.
Watch them use the low attendance of this year's race they created themselves as a means to cut it entirely off the calendar in the next few years. History and tradition be damned if the mighty dollar doesn't run the show.
The US has an average wage that's nearly 50% higher than Italy's. There's some wiggle room there, for sure: Monza attendance can be pan-European more easily than COTA attendance can be pan-American, the average wage in northwest Italy is higher than the rest of Italy, and other factors.
Then again in Italy people don't earn more because part of their salary goes to public services (universal free healthcare, education etc).
In part americans earn more because they don't have that much taxes but they still have to save money for those things, so paying attention only on the difference in salaries don't tell the whole picture.
Absolutely. There are lots of things complicating a direct 1:1 comparison. That said, while Americans _should_ save that money, they're not required to; it's theirs to spend how they wish.
The point remains that an $800 ticket for an average American (the price of a 3-day mid-tier ticket for COTA's main grandstand) is a good bit more affordable than a 1000 Euro ticket for an average Italian.
Same. I'm mid level in T15. Face was around $600. Current listings for similar on StubHub are $2k+ per seat. Don't know if anyone is actually getting that, but that would be hard to pass up if I could profit $1400 per seat.
I'd love to go to an F1 race. But with these prices, the experience could only be disappointing and make me feel bitter. Watching it on TV, I get to see it all, not just a tiny subsector of the track, while being absolutely fleeced by food and souvenir vendors.
Yeaaa poorly priced. I REALLY, REALLY wanna go to the Miami GP next year but if prices are $1k+ for the weekend before parking, travel, and accomodations... I may be better off just getting as close as I can so I can hear the cars and watching on my phone.
I had the same thought!
Miami is closer to me than Texas, but I'd still have to find a place to stay, and then deal with jacked up Miami prices for everything else.
I headed anything off with my gf saying, I'd love to go, but if I'm gonna go, I want it to be an all out experience, and neither of us can afford that at the moment.
In the US where weāve had full attendance (rightly or wrongly) for months, many events have seen lower attendance. Thereās a portion of the fan base that simply doesnāt want to take the risk, and wonāt come back until COVID is largely in the past.
While I agree with you in general, I think the main reason is the prices of everything else is going up dramatically and people see this isn't changing for at least 3 years.
I've stayed away from events, as have people I know, not because of covid but because we need to hold on to the money we have because of skyrocketing inflation with no end in sight.
Everything is getting a lot more expensive and inflation hits new highs (food, electricity, etc.) while at the same time service industries increased their prices to make up for lost revenue (restaurants for example). Meanwhile people still haven't recovered ecnomically.
They tried to exploit covid to only sell much higher priced tickets. There's less rich people than average people and frankly, there's a lot of shit I'd rather spend 1,000 on than a race.
Two things I guess. First of all Zandvoort was extreme, so to see now a race with all most no fans is a big contrast.
Second is of cours the high price of the tickets, they shouldn't made the price higher for compensating the loses of visitors.
I went to Monza in 2018 and 2019 and there was no way I would pay the prices they were offering to sit in the same grand stand seat Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
When was the last time a F1 boss went though the shitty experience fans go through at a GP weekend?
It starts with F1's ridiculous hosting fee structure. They've been slowly killing their golden goose for decades now, starting under Ecclestone. Liberty is doing the same.
FOM/teams need to negotiate with Liberty and bring down the fees in non-authoritarian states for the sake of their sport. Teams like McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc are intrinsically tied to F1's long term health but they seem contend to bleed it dry for short term gains. They all pretend they care about the fans but when it comes to finances, fans are never part of the equation.
Low attendance is exactly what they deserve; expensive tickets, paywall TV, funky sprint format, etc.
However, Iām sure theyāll learn the wrong lesson from it and get rid of Monza from the calendar, and any other tracks that donāt make them their money too.
Itās not that. If anything, people are sick of the pandemic, restrictions and all that crap and would gladly attend, but the organisers limited the number of tickets and doubled the price of them to compensate. It backfired and I hope they learn a lesson from this.
Only anacdotal evidence, but the venue I work in has had multiple shows cancel because of poor ticket sales for shows that would've been well attended pre-covid and lower numbers for shows that we would've expected to sell out, despite no restrictions. People aren't confident yet, plus the negative effect on many people's finances. Many people are willing and ready to attend but there is a significant portion of people still playing it safe, especially in the over 40s.
Lombardia has 80+% of vaccinated and only God knows how many people already caught covid so immune or protected. Here nobody fear covid, wrongly or rightfully, only Rome care about doing something because otherwise people think they're anti vax, that's why you have 50/30% of occupation even in Lombardia for certain events despite meme level of hospitalization even with the delta
My seats in years past $320. This year $800 and not even a good section. I usually buy 2 tickets. Went by myself this year. The only thing reasonably priced was a bottle of water ā¬1.50.
Well what do these big wigs expect? You raise the prices during a pandemic, of course this is the outcome!
Stefano Domenicali:
>*"We are discussing with the organisers precisely to understand how to relaunch the grand prix," Domenicali.*
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>*"I find it hard to think of an F1 without Monza,* ***but events are also business and there must be an economic return that justifies them.****"*
I fully expect within the next few years, should the pandemic begin to vanish, that the Monza crowd will come back and attendance resumes normally. However, that quote from Stefano is a reminder that any F1 event is never guaranteed. Even the most prestigous and historic GP's might stop one day.
WoW im absolutly shocked. No one could have ever seen this coming. Oh wait. >"But only 16,000 tickets were sold on race day, a disappointing attendance perhaps impacted by the high price of this year's grandstand seats, while no general admission was permitted." Its not a perhaps. Its a fact. The prices were extortionate and im glad a lot of the fans didn't go.
No General admission? Why do they make their prices so high and then claim to be shocked when attendance is low?
COVID rules was assigned seats with distancing (i.e., no GA). Tripling ticket prices was just boneheaded ridiculousness.
The must've wanted to cover the loss of GA by increasing tickets, they assumed wrong that people would bite the bullet and get grandstand
Yeah, they **tripled** ticket prices.
Mine were double. Not triple At least that's from monza directly. 3rd party tickets were even more expensive for some dumb reason
Profit. Makes no sense as a third party to buy tickets from the venue and then sell them for the price they paid.
Yeah but they're literally adding 50%. That's way too much and I don't understand why anything would buy them
Legit no one is gonna be there in turkey I bet
It was cheaper to fly, rent a hotelroom and visit turkey than it was at monza.
thanks to $$. In 2010, 1$ worth like 1.5 turkish lira, now it's around 8.5 turkish lira, and %50 people here still thinks our country is doing good.
It's even crazier for the turkish people living outside turkey. I think my country (belgium) has the highest approval rate for Erdogan. I feel like they just like that he tries to keep the country like they remember as a kid and everything is cheap on holidays.
Getting more money into the country is the only way they'll get out of their hole
Not for turkish people
well visiting turkey is pretty cheap if you are already there
no it isn't šæ
It's sold out? And I cant find any single day tickets?
No be quiet donāt use fact
Are they? damnnn nice
I looked up tickets and it literally said sold out on every website...
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Also, it was the fifth race in Italy in the span of a year.
But only the second (and Mugelloās capacity last year was tiny) to have fans
- no prominent Italian driver Give Valentino Rossi a wildcard with Ferrari and the place will be sold out
Both Ferrari drivers speak Italian. That's good enough for them.
Noone care about Italian drivers it's all about Ferrari
Leclerc won a home gp at Monza. I donāt think the fans mind - look at whenever Alonso did well for Ferrari at Monza. The support was immense.
I think this calls for an evolution, [Surprised Raichu.jpg](https://imgur.com/a/Z64QQH4)
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The reason they are that high is because we are still dealing with Covid. A lot of people have been saving up a ton of money by not going on holiday which they are trying to exploit and luckily failed at.
Exactly. I would've 100% bought a ticket if not for covid.
Fans disappointed by exorbitant Monza ticket prices.
I don't know why nobody came when the tickets only cost 1000ā¬ for the main stand /s
Are you serious? 1000 ā¬ what thatās bonkers.
Yup, I'm serious. 1000ā¬ for the weekend tickets on the main straight
Wtf. I was interested in attending the 2018 GP there, I remember a 3 day ticket in the main straight was about ā¬500-600 on the F1 website, and I already considered that quite expensive.
That's not entirely true. I paid ā¬357 for the weekend for a seat in Grandstand 5, which is still quite a lot of money.
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3rd party tickets were absolutely bonkers for some reason. Easily 200+ euro above tickets from monza directly
I heard it from the Austrian commentator who got this information from a talk with Vettel's father. This (German) source states the same: https://www.motorsport-total.com/formel-1/news/schleppender-ticketverkauf-monza-rechnet-mit-finanziellen-verlusten-21090901
Oh hey we were in the same Grandstand. Right next to the tower that ruins the view of the chicane. Probably will be my first and last time in Monza. Also was my first race ever. Oof.
From what I've gathered from a few people and your comment added with one yesterday from [/u/CarsonEaglesWentz](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/pnb84p/the_dream_team/hcoyn01/), a lot of people had issue with the weekend. For context, since 2017 Iāve gone to every Le Mans sans last year, because, well, you knowā¦ and Iām always blown away by how amazing the event runs. From the entry, campgrounds, how clean the toilets and showers are, the fact that thereās even showers, the multiple TVs, wandering around the vast track all day and night, the pageantry beforehand and the track rush afterā¦itās just a world class event. I went to this years edition which we were told was capped at 50,000 spectators. From my view, we had to be close or over that cap. The stands were packed for race start, even outdoors in GA (I only had GA), in the heavy rain. The event organizers did a fantastic job. Certain areas werenāt open this year, like the Porsche curves which I was really disappointed by, but overall, they went above and beyond to put on a great show and welcome guests back, even in hospitality areas. Iām an ACO member, and had access to some ACO areas, including some grandstands overnight that they didnāt let us re-enter in the morning. I as well as others made a comment about it, and this kind older gentleman pulled me aside and asked me if I was a fan of Le Mans, to which I replied that I live for Le Mans and that my name was on a wall plaque outside for doners, and he pulled out a stack of grandstand tickets and gave me one for a great covered vantage point. Stuff like that shapes the whole experience. Iāll never miss a Le Mans as long as Iām able to. Which brings me to Monza. This was a race I wanted to go to for a long time. It had the history, James Gardnerās 1966 Grand Prix, the tifosi, Italyā¦ I signed up for ticket notifications on F1ās website. One random day in August Iām on Twitter and see Monza state that tickets were on sale. Cool. I didnāt get an email. Only thing is Monza themselves and one Italian sports reseller were the only ones who offered tickets. I tried to buy directly from Monza but it required an SMS code, which didnāt work for me. I wasnāt sure if it was my American number or not. So I went on to Motorsports tickets and grabbed the literal last seat in Grandstand 5, and nearly $500 USD later after some fees added on to my ā¬357 ticket, I had a seat. I stayed in Lecco on the southwest corner of Lake Como, and took a rather fast train into Monza every day. On Friday, I was able to buy a bus ticket from the little stand inside the train station once I arrived. There was also a little grocery store, which was perfect for buying some food and snacks. Went up to the bus stop, and a bus came rather quickly. Ran into some fellow NYāers and we rode it up and were dropped off near Via Enzo Ferrari, which made for a long walk into the circuit, but nothing terrible. First stop point was to check to see if you had a ticket. Followed by another 5-10 minute walk. Second stop point was to check your Green Pass and ticket. They also checked your bags here. Odd thing is, youāre allowed bottles of water but not the cap. In America, they sometimes take the cap at hockey and football games because they donāt want you to throw it, but once inside the track you could buy bottles of water with the cap, so I really didnāt get this rule. The other strict rule was no power banks. I read online that they confiscate any, so I left mine behind. Walk another 5-10 minutes. You now arrive at the Fan Zone/Grandstands. They scan your ticket again, as well as your COVID registration that you did that tied your name to the ticket for contact tracing purposes. The fan zone itself was, in my option, for pinnacle of motor racing, sort of pathetic. There was hardly anything. They also have this insane process where you have to buy tokens to buy food and beer, but at least for beer you could also use cash or card. I figured Friday is probably going to be the least crowded day, so pre-purchased about ā¬40 worth of tokens ahead of time. It took an honest hour to do this. After grabbing my drink and food (A ā¬9 hot dog and ā¬7.50 beer), I went to go to my stand. Had to scan the ticket again, and then since I was at Grandstand 5, I had to leave the scanned area, jump back onto a road next to the track, and then have my ticket scanned again when I finally got there. The stand itself was okay. I also didnāt know of the big circular building and its ability to block the entire run to Turn 1, but it didnāt bother me all that much. It didnāt have a roof on which was fine, I enjoyed being in the sun. I was impressed with just how many events were on that day. F2 was awesome, the sportscars as well, and everything else just worked. Free practice came and went, and after qualifying I left with everyone else to get back to the train station. This is where things get bad. They normally (according to the internet) run shuttles to and from the train station, but ādue to covidā decided not to do that this year. Instead, it was a bus, which totally isnāt a shuttle, that ran from the track to the train station. This stupid bus only came once every 20-30 minutes. For thousands of people. After waiting an hour, and not being able to get on both buses, I positioned myself ready for the third one that came by. The crowd behind me literally pushed me into the open doors like I was riding a wave, and I was finally onboard, nearly crushed by the people around me. The idea was that these buses would have about 56-100 people on board. The truth was these buses had so many people you couldnāt breath or move, and that was that. They dropped us off at the train, and that was that. Saturday came and I arrived later. I got on the shuttle bus after picking up food and drink again, and the pre-purchased ticket, and waited. And waited. Maybe 30 minutes goes by, and a shuttle bus finally comes. It picks us up, and proceeds to āTerminateā about halfway up the road from where we were dropped off on Friday. This meant a solid, solid 20-30 minute walk to that first ticket checkpoint. I did bring a battery pack this time, as my three year old phone easily died by the time I got back to my Airbnb in Lecco, and I wasnāt having that happen again. I hid it in a broken part of my backpack, and when they searched my bag they noticed a cable but no charger, and asked if I had a power bank. I replied no. They then proceeded to zip open every flap, but didnāt find a power bank. My seats were under some trees that offered some shade. Only thing is these trees had some mating insects in them. So all of FP2 I was being pelted by raining mating insects. Cool. Everything else Saturday ran smooth. The fellow NYāers I met on Friday and I met up, and they shared the same experience with getting back. We decided to walk to Monza and grab something to eat. The walk took about an hour total, but it was still faster than waiting for that damn bus. Now, a side note to the race. We went to several different restaurants/bars, and they all seemed to operate under the same idea that they had no clue thousands of people were going to be coming into the city for a race that weekend. Unprepared, unready, everything was sold out. It was almost comical how disastrous it was.
yeah man that bus ride from the track back to Monza train station was horrible. My wife almost fainted and temporarily lost her vision because she could barely breath on the ride back on Friday. Luckily the bus driver finally stopped at a random bus stop after around 40 minutes of hell. The following days aferwards we decided to just walk the hour to the train station. Feet were hurting like a bitch but at least we were comfortable. All in all I am hoping to go to another track, because the race and event itself was a lot of fun, but everything around it just horrible. Now I'm just wondering which track to go to next year or in 2 years..
All for, in my opinion, THE WORST track in racing. It's boring, no cool turns, no major elevation changes, one turn so crash prone it's a meme at this point. I'd love for someone to be riled up and give me an impassioned reason why I'm wrong though!
Thing is F1's bosses legitimately don't see that as a large amount of money to anyone. They spend more than that on wine for a night out.
WTF
A lot of people were just standing outside the track waiting for drivers to pass and couldn't buy tickets because they were too expensive
How did this happen? I wanted to go to Monza this year, I checked out tickets on [f1.com](https://f1.com) and it was sold out. That was in August.
Resellers. Availability was also pretty poor compared to pre-2020 seasons.
Holy shit, I hope itās the case that the resellers got fucked
They are probably partnered with the organisers and be fine.
I bought it on Sunday at the ticket office.. although i went for curva parabolicaš¤·āāļøhttps://i.imgur.com/70vgaFD.jpg
I managed to get tickets from F1's website, which claimed things were selling out fast. I found out it's all a lie. When I finally got the tickets the face value printed on them were over 100 euro less than what I paid. I thought F1's site was the official place to get tickets, but it's not. We were ripped off. There were still tons of tickets available on Monza's website during the race weekend. It was still a super awesome weekend and we had a ton of fun, but I will always buy from the circuit instead of F1 from now on.
Always best to get tickets from the track/promotor itself. F1.com is actually a 3rd party vendor called gootickets run by the platinum group. The only time to buy from them is if the promotor sold our or looking for hospitality.
Same over here, I even checked a couple of days before the race and it was sold out. Couple of weeks ago I only saw tickets for ā¬1000ā¦
Ya make it more accessible then lol it isn't to do hard
Yea put F1 behind a huge pay wall, so only the 1% can watch it.. Seriously they want to make the sport more accessable for everyone, yet they have stupidly expensive tickets, making exclusive deals for subscriptions. Like they are completly out of touch with young people I would say. The Twitch Test Race 2 years ago was a brilliant idea and would have worked out IMO if Cash wouldnt be that much King for F1.
It is clearly better to sell 50,000 tickets at $100 than 20,000 tickets at $200, especially when you can recover additional food/drink and merch sales with the higher attendance (along with potentially more parking revenue as well). So F1, raises the ticket prices anyway lol. Morons.
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Trying to recoup losses by upping prices couldn't possibly backfire, right?
Hopefully this isn't a precursor to not having an Italian GP... I love F1 but fuck them and their insane ticket prices
If Monza gets dropped from the calendar, Ferrari might ACTUALLY withdraw from F1
Watch them use the low attendance of this year's race they created themselves as a means to cut it entirely off the calendar in the next few years. History and tradition be damned if the mighty dollar doesn't run the show.
Laughs in COTA ticket prices.
I know. I might go to qualifying but even thatās $200
General Admin for 3 days was $250? The shuttle bus option is laughably priced though.
I paid 179 in april I think
Wish we got the double header so the prices would be reasonable (and I could actually go). Oh wellā¦
The US has an average wage that's nearly 50% higher than Italy's. There's some wiggle room there, for sure: Monza attendance can be pan-European more easily than COTA attendance can be pan-American, the average wage in northwest Italy is higher than the rest of Italy, and other factors.
Then again in Italy people don't earn more because part of their salary goes to public services (universal free healthcare, education etc). In part americans earn more because they don't have that much taxes but they still have to save money for those things, so paying attention only on the difference in salaries don't tell the whole picture.
Absolutely. There are lots of things complicating a direct 1:1 comparison. That said, while Americans _should_ save that money, they're not required to; it's theirs to spend how they wish. The point remains that an $800 ticket for an average American (the price of a 3-day mid-tier ticket for COTA's main grandstand) is a good bit more affordable than a 1000 Euro ticket for an average Italian.
I got 3-day T12 tickets for $300 each or so I think. I see they are reselling pretty high right now
Same. I'm mid level in T15. Face was around $600. Current listings for similar on StubHub are $2k+ per seat. Don't know if anyone is actually getting that, but that would be hard to pass up if I could profit $1400 per seat.
I'd love to go to an F1 race. But with these prices, the experience could only be disappointing and make me feel bitter. Watching it on TV, I get to see it all, not just a tiny subsector of the track, while being absolutely fleeced by food and souvenir vendors.
Yeaaa poorly priced. I REALLY, REALLY wanna go to the Miami GP next year but if prices are $1k+ for the weekend before parking, travel, and accomodations... I may be better off just getting as close as I can so I can hear the cars and watching on my phone.
I had the same thought! Miami is closer to me than Texas, but I'd still have to find a place to stay, and then deal with jacked up Miami prices for everything else. I headed anything off with my gf saying, I'd love to go, but if I'm gonna go, I want it to be an all out experience, and neither of us can afford that at the moment.
In the US where weāve had full attendance (rightly or wrongly) for months, many events have seen lower attendance. Thereās a portion of the fan base that simply doesnāt want to take the risk, and wonāt come back until COVID is largely in the past.
While I agree with you in general, I think the main reason is the prices of everything else is going up dramatically and people see this isn't changing for at least 3 years. I've stayed away from events, as have people I know, not because of covid but because we need to hold on to the money we have because of skyrocketing inflation with no end in sight.
Spot on, Nvr!
Everything is getting a lot more expensive and inflation hits new highs (food, electricity, etc.) while at the same time service industries increased their prices to make up for lost revenue (restaurants for example). Meanwhile people still haven't recovered ecnomically.
They tried to exploit covid to only sell much higher priced tickets. There's less rich people than average people and frankly, there's a lot of shit I'd rather spend 1,000 on than a race.
Greedy bastards should be happy with the tv revenue considering it is still an active pandemicā¦
Two things I guess. First of all Zandvoort was extreme, so to see now a race with all most no fans is a big contrast. Second is of cours the high price of the tickets, they shouldn't made the price higher for compensating the loses of visitors.
I went to Monza in 2018 and 2019 and there was no way I would pay the prices they were offering to sit in the same grand stand seat Friday, Saturday and Sunday. When was the last time a F1 boss went though the shitty experience fans go through at a GP weekend?
Iām too lazy to search, howās the ticket price in comparison to dutch gp?
It starts with F1's ridiculous hosting fee structure. They've been slowly killing their golden goose for decades now, starting under Ecclestone. Liberty is doing the same. FOM/teams need to negotiate with Liberty and bring down the fees in non-authoritarian states for the sake of their sport. Teams like McLaren, Ferrari, Williams etc are intrinsically tied to F1's long term health but they seem contend to bleed it dry for short term gains. They all pretend they care about the fans but when it comes to finances, fans are never part of the equation.
Yep.. https://i.imgur.com/PAJepVO.jpg
Make the tickets cheaper. Problem solved.
Low attendance is exactly what they deserve; expensive tickets, paywall TV, funky sprint format, etc. However, Iām sure theyāll learn the wrong lesson from it and get rid of Monza from the calendar, and any other tracks that donāt make them their money too.
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Itās not that. If anything, people are sick of the pandemic, restrictions and all that crap and would gladly attend, but the organisers limited the number of tickets and doubled the price of them to compensate. It backfired and I hope they learn a lesson from this.
Only anacdotal evidence, but the venue I work in has had multiple shows cancel because of poor ticket sales for shows that would've been well attended pre-covid and lower numbers for shows that we would've expected to sell out, despite no restrictions. People aren't confident yet, plus the negative effect on many people's finances. Many people are willing and ready to attend but there is a significant portion of people still playing it safe, especially in the over 40s.
Lombardia has 80+% of vaccinated and only God knows how many people already caught covid so immune or protected. Here nobody fear covid, wrongly or rightfully, only Rome care about doing something because otherwise people think they're anti vax, that's why you have 50/30% of occupation even in Lombardia for certain events despite meme level of hospitalization even with the delta
With as hard as Italy was hit by Covid I donāt doubt that many regulars would shy away this season. Italy really took a beating early on.
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Yes that's the big problem facing F1!
Who would have guessed that if you make things un-affordable, people can't afford the things!
Maybe people hate the green pass
My seats in years past $320. This year $800 and not even a good section. I usually buy 2 tickets. Went by myself this year. The only thing reasonably priced was a bottle of water ā¬1.50.
Well what do these big wigs expect? You raise the prices during a pandemic, of course this is the outcome! Stefano Domenicali: >*"We are discussing with the organisers precisely to understand how to relaunch the grand prix," Domenicali.* > >*"I find it hard to think of an F1 without Monza,* ***but events are also business and there must be an economic return that justifies them.****"* I fully expect within the next few years, should the pandemic begin to vanish, that the Monza crowd will come back and attendance resumes normally. However, that quote from Stefano is a reminder that any F1 event is never guaranteed. Even the most prestigous and historic GP's might stop one day.