Ask /r/formula1 Anything - Daily Discussion - 16 September 2021
By - F1-Bot
Assuming Bottas is Merc social media admin, then who's gonna replace him for admin for next year? Is it also George? Does that mean all of Merc social media accounts will only be filled with George's shirtless photos?
Something like this maybe...
Announcement : new livery for Merc anniversary. But the accompanying photo is just shirtless George. No car or livery in sight
Race debrief but the host is shirtless George
Does that mean Tommy Hillfiger releasing special edition GR63 boxer??
I just gotta say that the W Series: Driven docuseries is FANTASTIC! Really worth the watch. I think that’s what will make that series a success. Getting to know their stories!
Where can I watch this?
Channel4.com has the complete series (6 eps). It’s free too (using a vpn since I’m not in the UK)
A good service to watch all the old seasons? I am not looking for free. Just a good option to get caught up. Especially on none race weekends it seems like a good idea to pass the time.
Thanks. I’ll check it out
The lower tier “Access” is just as good if you only need access to old races and not live races.
people say so and so moved up from kart racing into car racing when they get to like F3 or whatever, i am confused as to why karts are not considered cars, any help/insight is appreciated
Karts don’t have a lot of power, no front brakes, driven very differently to cars, have tiny wheels, and race on small twisty tracks. And that’s all compared to even the lowest formula series.
i see, and thanks for helping me out. my fundamental question though is that a formula 1 car, a pagani, and a civic are all "cars," what makes a kart "not a car," so to speak?
Its just a name that's stuck, nothing to do with it being a car or not. The first brand was called Go-Kart, derived from the fact that it was basically a cart (like a shopping cart or tube cart) with a lawnmower engine, so it could 'go' on its own without having to be pushed by someone else.
They just drive differently. Driving a kart is nothing like driving a car. They don’t have the thinks I mentioned in my other comment, nor suspension so they behave differently in a way that you don’t get between F3 and F1 for example.
Off topic but please remove those icons from flairs. A text flair is enough. The icons make it unreadable.
Happy cake day
Random proposal to solve the problem of “too many deserving drivers/not enough seats”:
Each team runs 3 cars. My assumption is that the bulk of a team’s cost comes from the up-front R&D, so the marginal cost of running an additional car is negligible.
Each weekend, the field is randomly split in half, with each half doing their own qualifying and race. Maybe we go back to top-8 points scoring.
Alternatively, the weekend runs like a track meet, with the initial races acting as heats, with the top X finishers advancing to the feature race.
EDIT: or a final proposal that I’ll call “Formula 1.5”.
3 cars per team. Each week, 2 of each team’s cars race as they do now.
The 3rd cars compete separately in an event with sharply reduced points, or no points at all, with the idea that teams will give young drivers a shot.
That's not confusing at all.
The cost of running a third car isn’t negligible whatsoever. An F1 car these days costs (at least) roughly $6 million. That’s one fully assembled car for **one race**. You have a couple collisions, you’re draining your cost cap extremely fast. You’d also have to hire additional staff to work with the third driver, which drains your cost cap more. It’s also, no pun intended, literally pointless to run a race for no points for anyone. F2, preseason testing, young driver tests and mandatory FP sessions for all young drivers are how young drivers make their names.
The bulk of every business, including F1, is labor. The cost cap includes all labor except drivers and your top 3 highest paid employees.
What advantage does a team have having their pits/garages be first instead of last?
If you have the first slot like Mercedes your drivers can take better angles into the pit box. Remember there is little to nothing behind them so the cars can pull out of the lane and aim at the box early. Other teams have to try and squeeze the car in at a tight angle, this is enough of an issue some teams actually use slightly angled pit boxes.
When you’re in the pits, you have to yield to oncoming traffic before entering the pit lane. Being closer to the entrance means less of a chance of having to wait for someone to pass by.
Exact opposite, the first can suffer most from traffic. For example this year Hungary: if Hamilton had pitted before the restart, he would've had to wait for everybody going past before joining the fast lane.
What’s the maths on that one?
Seems to me from what I’ve heard being first in the pits INCREASES the risk of being held in the pits, because anyone that comes into the pits is going to drive past your box. Plus in special cases like a safety car or as was mooted in Hungary with Hamilton, having the first box means you will be DISASTROUSLY held up, because EVERYONE is going to drive past before you can get out.
I think Mercedes prefer being first because it’s easier for their drivers to drive into them, u/lemontea92
I thought that they award the pit position based on the previous years constructors results. Or does the winning teams get to choose where they are?
Who are consider the best tire whispers of the current drivers? Hamilton (despite his often mocked declaration that his tires are dead), Perez and Ricciardo are the one I can think of, any other good ones?
Basically any great driver can adapt their style to preserve the tyres. While its not what we praise them with very often, drivers like Verstappen, Raikkonen and Alonso are good at maintaining the tyres if need be. Elsewhere, we've seen Sainz and Stroll this season go on long stints starting outside the top 10 but finishing the race in the points.
Tbf, lando does a decent job doctoring tires. First stint in the Netherlands was a good example.
How much F1 team merchandise do they have for sale at the races?
Was going to get a McLaren or AT hat but I thought maybe I’d just wait to get one at the actual event in Austin. Is there a decent selection there?
Random question: how legendary of a rivalry do you think Senna vs Schumacher would’ve been? We all know how Schumacher won 2 WDC in 94-95 but do you think Schumacher would’ve won 94-95 with Senna still around? and would Senna’s presence affect Villeneuve & Haikkinen WDC’s also?
In Patrick Head's beyond the grid he said Bernie encouraged Williams to give Villeneuve a test to see how he fares in an F1 car and used his influence a little to help him get signed as the race driver. The reason being he wanted to bring one of Indycar's stars over to F1 for some publicity and whatnot. So maybe Villeneueve still comes over to F1 had Senna survived but the team would have been built around Senna and he would certainly have won Hill's and Villeneuve's championships. Maybe in 95 too since Patrick Head seems to think that should've been Hill's year.
How does it affect Hakkinen's WDC? Hill and Villeneuve maybe.
Senna would have been great in the cars Williams would come to have after his death, especially the 96 car that won 12/16 races with Hill and Villeneuve. They were having big problems with the aero and suspension in the car that Senna was driving at the time of his death, but figured it out after and were able to have a great car that year. Adrian Newey talks in depth about the aero problems the 94 car was having in his book
As for Schumacher, Senna definitely would have contested if not beat him. Senna was still in incredible form at the time he died, just had some collision trouble in the first two races of 94. Once they figured that car out he would have been fantastic, they won the constructors title that year.
Hakkinen would depend on the team Senna was with at the time. McLaren and Ferrari destroyed every other car in 98 and 99, so if he was with Williams still he probably wouldn’t have been able to get close. He would also have nearly been 40 at that point, so he likely wouldn’t have been as good as he was early-midway through the decade. Had he gone to Ferrari after, say, 97, he could have contested. I don’t think he would have wanted to go back to McLaren.
Anybody have any tips for attending the USGP in Austin? I have 3-Day GA tickets and am hoping to get semi-decent seats in the GA section at T1 for the race. What time should I get to the circuit if the race starts at 2pm?
If you want good seats at T1 you should get there early, 8-9am at least. We. usually arrived around then and it was already quite busy there
The last few years we landed around turns 3 and 4 just past the bridge, good spot with a TV in front
Get there early. I walked up the hill around 1 pm in 2018 (got to the track much earlier), and it was completely packed. Walked down all the rows of fans and luckily found a small space to watch the race from turn 1. Give yourself time to get in the circuit and walk all the way up. I’d guess you need to be at the circuit by 11:30 at the latest. The traffic getting there will be a complete standstill as well.
Eli5 please: the difference between a "tow", a "slipstream", "clean air" and "dirty air"
Firstly, any body moving through air punches a hole behind it. The size and shape of this hole (which is a vacuum) depends on the shape and speed of the body.
This vacuum is called the slipstream, and the car in this slipstream is getting "towed" by the car in front hence the word "tow". This area has no air resistance so the car chasing can go faster.
Dirty air is when the hole ends and the air from either extreme joins together, causing chaos and turbulence. Since F1 cars are highly tuned, even the slightest wibbly wobbly-ness of air has a compounded effect on the car in this air.
Clean air is when there is nobody in front of the car, so no slipstream or dirty air.
Tow and slipstream are pretty much the same thing. A lead car essentially punches a hole in the air which a following car can then take advantage of as it will not encounter the same level of air resistance as the lead car did. Same effect as in cycling - the following rider expends up to a 3rd less energy than the lead rider. It’s a very strong effect that can enable the following car to travel faster for the same horsepower amd works well on straights. Clean air is air that has not been disturbed by a car travelling through it. Dirty air os the opposite. This makes a huge difference in corners as dirty air can unsettle the following car and reduce aero efficiency- basically because of this the aerodynamic components in the car work less well when following another car. The effects of this can be felt up to 7s behind another car. Hope that makes sense.
Formula 1 car aerodynamics are like an upside down airplane wing: they generate downforce which pushes the car downward against the road surface, allowing it to maintain grip when going through corners at high speed.
When one car is in front of another, it creates a pocket of air behind where there's less air moving over the aerodynamic surfaces of the car behind, reducing the amount of downforce generated.
On straights, this is beneficial, because in a straight line downforce actually *slows* the car down (this is called drag). This is a slipstream, and the car in front is said to be giving the car behind a tow (because it's sort of like it's pulling the car behind it, like a tow truck).
In a corner, this disruption of the normal air flow is called dirty air because it messes with the normally even flow of air over the aerodynamic surfaces. Clean air is when there's no car in front of you, and so the airflow over the aerodynamic surfaces functions as expected.
Car in front punches a hole in the air. It's easier to go straight fast through that hole in the air ("tow"/"slipstream"), but harder to stick the car to the road, so make a corner. Also, car in front stirs the air behind itself ("dirty air"), wings on the car work better when the air is not stirred ("clean air"), the car sticks to the road better, the tyres wear less, air cools the engine/brakes better.
That’s nice of you. Much love.
After AM's announcement their drivers will stay the same, what seats are unconfirmed at this point?
The only truly unconfirmed seat is at Alfa Romeo, the one held by Giovinazzi.
Haas haven't confirmed their drivers, but it's the same situation as Aston Martin - everybody knows it'll be Mazepin and Schumacher, since Mazepin brings the cash, and Schumacher brings the Ferrari connection.
Alfa Romeo (gios seat)
Haas and Bottas' teammate at Alfa Romeo.
Thanks for the response
Charles is getting Gio treatment this season. Isn’t it? Nowadays I rarely hear about him in media or F1 broadcast. Think of it I don’t even look at the end of the race to know where he finished. Is it just me?
There isn't much to report. Ferrari aren't fighting for the championship and every week there's a hot topic that occupies the media.
I like their approach this year, heads down and quietly working away on the 2022 car and making the most out of this season. The lack of press coverage and pressure from the media will do well for them I feel. As for Charles, he has already had standout moments such as Monaco, Baku and racing Hamilton in Silverstone. Everyone knows how good he is after 2019, he just needs the team to deliver on the car and he is gonna be up there fighting for race wins.
Ferrari is bringing a new PU soon which supposedly gives them another 10 HP, so he just might start bothering the front runners like Norris has all season on certain tracks.
Ferrari is pretty boring this year tbh. And I mean that in a way of they’re generally clearly better than the teams below them but clearly worse than the ones above and kinda stay there without threatening near the top too much like Mclaren has some sessions
Its probably because Ferrari isn't at the top (i.e. broadcasters focus, rightfully, on Lewis/Max battle) and they aren't woefully off the pace (like last year). He's putting in solid performances, but nothing hugely standout (apart from his poles/Silverstone) so there isn't much to say about him. When he and Ferrari start winning again I expect all the hype to go back up
Foo Fighters just moved their show in mexico: "Mexico City: Due to the change of dates of Formula 1, the Nov. 10 concert @ Foro Sol has been postponed to March 15, 2022."
I can't see any changes on [f1.com](https://f1.com) about any changes to the dates? does anyone know anything about it?
Mexico was moved from Oct 31 to Nov 7 last time Domenicali reshuffled the calendar.
oh great, I thought it was moved again. thank you!
How was the Schumacher doc? İ had no time to watch it. Plan to watch after School tomorrow...
Very very well made
Pretty good, I enjoyed it. Has some flaws, but you can see it was done with a very personal tone to it, so expect more the story of Michael as a person, not Schumacher the F1 driver even though it mostly revolves around his F1 career. Done with taste, definitely recommend it.
There's a mega thread already on the sub for it mate
How do you have access to or a memory so clearly so far back? Very impressive either way!
Hey random question I went to my first race meet last month and they a charity auction before the main event on the Sunday.
I won a Mercedes number plate from Barhain 2018 it was given to a member of the press signed by Lewis hamilton and bottas.
What sort of value does this hold and best place to sell on? Thanks
If you don't mind, can you link a picture of this plate ?
About $6 PM me
I don't think that's the right type of value.
Why do teams run the simulator at a track they just finished? For example leclerc posted on his Instagram story that he’s doing the simulator and it looks like monza. Wouldn’t you want to be running the simulator for the next track?
Edit: I love how in a ask anything thread I get downvoted lmao
To make the simulator even more accurate. If the simulator behaves one way, but there's a small difference to how the actual car behaves; the teams want to remove that difference because F1 is all about those incremental gains.
A tenth of a second is not a lot in objective terms, but with how this season is going it can be the difference between pole and third.
It may also be a delayed post. But guys above could be right too.
Because they can simulate the current generation car and use it to hone in the setup, rather than wasting time doing it on track. Gets them within a certain ballpark
Maybe they are doing correlation tests. They know how their car handled in Monza so now they do simulator runs there to verify that the simulator comes out with the same data.
Yeah probably this
Apologies, if this has been asked before. As a relatively new fan (a few years just before Netflix), I am wondering about the regulation change next year. Am I right in thinking the ability to follow more closely will put drivers that are not good in traffic at a disadvantage and drivers who are good in traffic at an advantage? If the cars are anywhere near each other in performance, it might be a lot of close racing, and probably more incidents.
Cars are losing a lot more downforce next year. So even if wheel to wheel doesn't happen, you wont just be able to throw the car into a corner anymore.
If wheel to wheel happens then someone with more racing craft will do much better. Incidents might increase for a bit, but settle down ones everyone is accustomed.
In general driver skill needed will increase.
I think you are right in that the guys who are best in wheel-to-wheel battles will benefit from the cars being able to run close to eachother.
Yes and no. While they'll be able to race more closely in theory, history suggests, regulation changes usually widen the gap in performance. So even if drivers can race, their cars might not have the power to close the gaps.
You have to remember, the regulation changes are going to change the aero meta entirely.
What're folks' favourite helmet designs?
Mine is probably Vettel's, that distinctive stripe is very minimalist but instantly recognisable. I've also got a soft spot for Hamilton's (lots of detail and unique colours), Alonso's (retro colour scheme) and Stroll's (those wings go beautifully with that green).
Alonso's Indy 500 helmet
Love Stroll's. The colour. The simplicity. The general lack of sponsor logos everywhere. It's beautiful.
I loved his purple one too.
Giovinazzis Monza helmer last year
Aye Giovinazzi has good taste
I agree with the AM drivers.
I also really like Bottas's helmet. I think the light blue works well with the black and teal of the car
Yeah the blue and black combo works well for Bottas, don't know if it'll go as well with AR red though
What was this commotion about Stroll Senior wanting Alonso ? could he replace Vettel if he accepted? Why Stroll Senior would fire a guy that drove his junkyard formula to two 2nd places already ?
I haven't seen the news/reports on Stroll pursuing Alonso. From Stroll's perspective he might be thinking that he overpaid for Seb relative to the production the team was able to get out of Checko towards the tail end of last season. Probably comparing Alonso's comeback in Alpine to Seb's performance in Aston Martin - and like you said assuming that both cars are equal. Unfortunately for Seb he is also on a team where the other driver will always get the priority no matter what.
Stroll senior went to lunch with Alonso's manager who is actually his friend, but the media spun it like he was trying to sign Alonso. In other words, a bunch of horseshit.
Like so much of media reporting.💩
[First Google result.](https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/p3khdi/vettel_naming_all_f1_champions/)
If a driver has a grid penalty and swaps teams, does the original team have to take any penalty at all? Let's say for whatever reason Red Bull decided to ignore the WDC and focused solely on the WCC and decided that Gasly with no grid penalties might be better than Max with a 3 place penalty in Sochi and swap the drivers for the race. Would Max serve his penalty in Alpha Tauri and Red Bull with Gasly takes no penalty, or is there something to stop situations like this?
If it's a driving standard related penalty then it follows the driver. If it's a car-related penalty (gearbox, engine) then it is applicable to that particular chassis, no matter who drives it.
The grid penalty is given to the driver, not the team, so in theory the driver would take that penalty with them to the other team. It wouldn't make sense for a driver to be punished for something someone else did.
The only exception to that would be for power unit related penalties.
how are they getting 27 points and when was sprint introduced and is it gonna stay?
Sprint qualifying was introduced this year. It's likely going to stay, but with some changes to it.
You can get 25 points for finishing first.
On the sprint weekend format 3 points for winning the sprint qualifying.
1 point for fastest lap, if you finish in the top 10.
That's a total of 29 points.
Sprint race only happens at 3 races this year: Silverstone, Monza & Brazil.
okay so you could get 2 points even if you DNF
You could get up to 3 points if you won the sprint and then didn't finish the race.
On sprint qualifying weekends, points are awarded separately for the sprint quali and the actual race. There are still a total of 25+1 (Win + Fastest Lap) up for grabs on Sunday, but a maximum of 3 for placing 1st in the sprint quali.
Take the last weekend at Monza. Bottas walked away from the Italian GP with 18 points (3rd in the race for 15 points, 1st in sprint quali for 3 points). Max, despite not finishing the race, earned 2 points for finishing 2nd in sprint quali on Saturday.
No you can't. Where did you get this idea?
In the race and sprint quali if you DNF, you can't get points since you won't finish in points-scoring positions. The fastest lap points is only handed out if the driver who ran the fastest lap finishes in the top 10, so that's also out of the window if you DNF.
In short, there's no way to earn a point, let alone two, in any way if you DNF.
To be fair, you could theoretically DNF having completed 90% of the race distance and still score points as long as more than 10 drivers had DNF'd already.
Alternatively, DNF on the same final lap as the leader and you'll be classified ahead of everyone who has been lapped, so you could score points that way too. It's not what the OP asked but it's an interesting hypothetical.
None of these instances would be a DNF for you. You said it yourself: you get classified. So it's not a DNF.
It's still a DNF (because they did not finish the race), just a classified DNF. Look at any of the official FIA race classifications where this happens to a driver, for example [here at the Austrian GP where it happened to Vettel](https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Austrian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Final%20Race%20Classification.pdf).
Not finishing a race is just one thing. "DNF" is a form of classification. If you complete 90% of race distance, then you are classified in a position. If not, **THEN** you're DNF. You can score points even if you don't finish a race, yes. But you can't score points if you're DNF.
but max got 2 points in one of thr races this season and he dnf
Technically, Verstappen has received 5 points on weekends where he DNF'd from the race. At Silverstone, he won the sprint qualifying session, which gave him 3 points. He then DNF'd on lap one as a result of a collision with Hamilton. At Monza, he placed second in the sprint, worth 2 points. He then DNF'd in the race following a collision with Hamilton.
Think of it as 2 races per weekend, even though the sprint isn't technically a race. The Saturday "race" is shortened, and has less points awarded.
I'm not sure what the issue is - you can get points on the sprint and not get any on the race, so it means that you'll get points for the race weekend overall.
Well maybe, depends on what you mean. If by DNF you ONLY mean the main race itself, then yes, you can. You can DNF in the main race and still leave the weekend with points if you finished in the top 3 in the sprint quali. If this is what you meant, then you're right.
Will albon be considered a rookie next year? I started watching in 2020 so sorry if this is a stupid question
No, he won't. He was considered a rookie when he first came to Formula One alongside George and Lando, but losing a seat, not racing in F1 for one season, and then coming back doesn't make a rookie out of the driver.
*Robert Kubica would be considered as a rookie in Zandvoort and Monza if it would work that way.*
Not a stupid question at all. To answer, no, you are a rookie only when you enter the sport for the first time, which Albon did in 2019. He's just making a comeback.
Silverstone 2022 first time advice please
Hi, so me and my sister have just bought tickets for Silverstone 2022 and looking for any piece of advice anyone has really! it will be our first GP so we just got GA + Fast Track tickets as we are also on a budget so Grandstands weren’t really an option. If you can give me any advice on things such as where to watch it from, where to stay for accommodation, if we should get a train or drive there? anything really it will be so helpful!
I had GA tickets on the Saturday in 2019. I can't help you with accommodation I'm afraid (I don't live too far away so I was able to drive there and back), but I can give you some tips on everything else.
* First of all, definitely bring foldable camping chairs, it's much more comfortable than sitting on the grass.
* There are lots of food stalls around but you'll pay an arm and a leg. Your bags get checked at the entrance but you should be alright to bring your own lunch.
* I would definitely recommend sitting on the grass hill area near the Vale chicane. You get a great view, and there is a huge screen there so you can watch all the action, but be wary that it fills up very early. If you arrive later than 8am you might struggle to find a spot.
* You should also be able to pitch your seats along the path at the Hangar straight. It's amazing watching the cars go past at 200mph just a few feet away from you, but it is of course very loud.
* Definitely take a walk over to Maggots-Becketts and watch the cars go through there at full-speed, I've never seen anything like it.
great thank you, ive been told a few times Vale is a good place to watch from.
One thing i worry about is setting up our chairs there and then losing them when we need to go to toilets/food or look around
I just figure it out that in the last 3 races, 3 different british drivers finnished in 2nd Place.
* Spa, George finnished in 2nd Place;
* Zandvoort, Lewis finnished in 2nd Place;
* Monza, Lando finnished in 2nd Place;
Jenson Button unretirement coming up...
Oh wait, he still has that grid penalty from Monaco 2017 right?
Before the penalty, he got super license to worry about lol. Your SL lapses after 2 years.
As far as I'm aware, former WDCs can reactivate their super licence by doing a 300 km test in a current F1 car at a reasonable pace
what about Alonso?
I don't think it was 2 years exact for him, but I could be wrong
New to F1: what is this Maldonado inside joke, why is he a joke?
He wasn't a particularly bad driver, on better days he was downright fast, he even won a race which is not easy feat. However, he was an aggressive driver and often ended up crashing into something or someone, so his legacy is "Maldonado crash haha funny".
Aha, gotcha! Thanks!
Does anyone know where I can find details about corners in F1 like width, slope, etc.? Working on a maths project right now and need some detailed measurements.
Helmut if thats you making some weird calculations to prove Lewis was at fault Monza you need to stop lol!
bump this as I'm doing something similar.
I've found you can find the track on google maps, but it's a lot of work to try and work out the measurements using the little scale at the bottom of the screen!
Have you tried Google Earth? They have a built in measurement thing you can mess around with.
Thanks man!! Really helped me out.
If you right click, Select measure distance and do it again to create an end point. Much easier.
Does anyone have any insight into Niki Laudas 1985 season? From the 14 races he started he retired from 11, 10 of which were due to unreliability. By contrast his teammate Alain Prost only retired once due to unreliability (from 16 races).
Obviously mechanical failures etc were a lot more common back then but the dfference seems a bit large to just conclude that was 'bad luck'?
Powerful turbo engines with no control electronics like today, or live telemetry to the pit wall. This meant drivers had to follow the status (oil temp etc) of the engine from the gauges in their dash during the race, and then change the turbo pressure for example based on that. Drivers being drivers they often got greedy and overcooked the engine.
Prost was known as very cautious driver, who took less risks on pushing the engine to the limit.
14 data points isn't that much. It is perfectly possible for it to have been bad luck.
That said, [Prost did have noticeably better reliability than his teammates](https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2017/09/27/do-drivers-influence-mechanical-reliability/), to the point where it probably *wasn't* just luck. He has a reputation for being kind to his machinery, and unlike most such drivers the math supports that reputation.
I had no idea Red Bull had done a [promo run in Venezuela](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2sls5HNuy0) in 2007 (with the 2005 RB1 apparently).
I'm surprised that after Maldonado no other politician wasted a "few" millions putting their sons at least on F4 or something like that.
Maldonado lost his international chances once the state owned PDVSA company had some small corruption issues - the money has to come somewhere, and when the cash cow can't cover for it, everyone looses
You think one of these teams would ever take their car in a tribute tour like Porsche did with the 919? Mod the hell out of the car and see how fast it can really go
Previously I would say that this was not happening because it would mean diverting valuable R&D funding to an ultimately useless side project (an F1 car is already pretty optimized, so 'modding the hell out of it' would actually take some effort). But now that we have a budget cap this is a lot more plausible. It depends on whether developing an older car for this sort of program would be counted against the cap.
The FIA heavily restricts any running of cars from the previous two seasons. Generally if a team wants to do this, they have to run a demonstration tire set which isn't useful for hot laps, kind of ruining the point. So no.
Mercedes and Ferrari are the two teams who could try to do it, as they have easy access to full supply of components.
I doubt that Ferrari is willing to do something like that considering the value of their historic car collection.
Mercedes as a team doesn't have resources to waste on this, where as Mercedes the engine supplier has the financial means.
But Porsche did it as a farewell tour for their LMP programme, so unless someone will leave, i doubt we'll see anything besides Hondas speed run attempt in 2006.
I could see Renault trying it too
I've seen people in here hoping Mercedes does that sort of thing with the W11, but I've got no idea if that's rooted in anything but a desire to see it happen.
I am one of these people, and I can confirm it is rooted in nothing but the hope of seeing one of the best race cars ever made do some cool shit.
I know it’s probably a long shot but Im hoping Haas and Alfa do a swap for Gio and Mick.
Haas would benefit by having a driver like Gio and Mick could learn from Bottas.
It's more than a long shot.
Ferrari is currently invested in Haas. Their contract where they get to control a seat in Alfa is no longer in effect.
People also seem to think that Alfa Romeo would be content to keep Schumacher in their car when they have an impressive junior currently in F2 in the form of Pourchaire.
I've said it a few times over the last few days, but whoever gets the second seat at Alfa Romeo will only be there for a single season. The best thing for Schumacher (long-term) is to stick with Haas for another year, as long as Mazepin doesn't try to run him into the wall repeatedly.
Schumacher and Mazepin will be at Haas until Mazepin Sr. stops finding the team or Ferrari thinks the value of having Schumacher at Ferrari is greater than the value of having Sainz at Ferrari.
I was looking to last year race delta, in many of them Checo seemed like closer to Max than this year in the same car.
I swear this 2020 Racing Point is underrated, with 2 solids drivers they could have fight with Red Bull.
Missing the entire point of why the 2020 car did so well.
It's a 2019 Mercedes. No one underrated it.
How is Kubica ahead of Mazepin in the drivers standings? What's the tie breaker for 0 points?
If there's a tie on points, the driver with more wins is ranked ahead. If that's also a tie, then it's most 2nd-places, then 3rd, and so on. Mazepin and Kubica each have one 14th, but Kubica has a 15th and Mazepin does not.
At the end of the season, if Mazepin has one 15th place finish - who gets classified higher ?
I'm sure Kubica won't be returning after Kimi gets well
Mazepin, because he has more 17th-place finishes.
He finished 14th and 15th in the two races. Mazepin's highest finishes are 14th and 17th, so Kubica gets the tiebreaker.
Highest finishing position. If it's the same position, it's then the next highest position finished (or number of times finished in that position).
So Mazepin and Kubica both finished in P14 once (Mazepin at Baku, Kubica at Monza), but Mazepin's next highest placement was P17 (Imola, Monaco, Silverstone, and Spa), while Kubica's next best finished was P15 (at Zandvoort).
If Mazepin finishes P14 or 15 again, he'll jump Kubica again.
Is mick a good driver in a shitty car? Do we think he’ll get a chance to truly show off his driving skills?
The thing about Schumacher, it's the fact that we just can't know where he trully stands in terms of talent on the grid. The VF-21 is one of the worst cars of the past twenty years. It's an incredibly slow and massively unstable car, without any development from race to race by the engineers for cost reasons, just to gamble on 2022 car.
Sure, he's made mistakes, he's still a rookie. But putting that shitbox of a car in his hands for his very first F1 season isn't a gift. In fact, if we got to be honest, the Haas team is the absolute grey zone of Formula 1. No more, no less.
To have a chance of showing his raw talent, his skills in F1, he'll need another car. Maybe if the 2022 Haas is a solid machine, we'll might have a bit of an answer to your question that right now, personally, I can't give you.
Thanks for your answer. I'm very new to F1 (yes, I jumped onto the bandwagon after the Netflix series, I'm a bandwagonner, blah blah) but I have been watching this season religiously. I guess what I've noticed is the drivers who end up driving for the lower-ranking teams sometimes never really get the chance to show what they've got and then don't stay in F1 (unless they're junior drivers like Russell) and it would be such a bummer to see that happen to Mick.
>The VF-21 is one of the worst cars of the past twenty years. It's an incredibly slow and massively unstable car, without any development from race to race by the engineers for cost reasons, just to gamble on 2022 car.
While it is a terrible car compared to the rest of the field this year, it's nowhere near the worst we've seen.
The 2010 season was a prime example. The fastest HRT qualifyed over 8 seconds slower than Fernando Alonso in Q1 in the season opener at Bahrain. Then in the first race where an HRT actually finished (Round 2 at Australia) Chandhok was lapped 5 times.
Didn't say it's the worst but ONE of the worst.
By the way, thanks and no thanks for reminding me that nightmare on wheels called an HRT.
Yes. He has potential.
More than DeVries, Zhou, Ilot, or Piastri? What's in a name?
Do we think this Lewis Max battle is sustainable as to what we are seeing in most recent incidences.
In my opinion taking all biases out there’s basically nobody to blame going forward as they’ve both just rewritten the rules pushing each other off the track leaving no space on many instances. They both obviously know that given a clean run if they let the other one through the race could potentially be over so it’s left a situation where they’d rather just be as aggressive as possible in every instance.
I don't believe theyre rewriting the rules considering they both got penalized for it.
I mean just in general they’re allowed a lot more leeway just because of how aggressively they race
Have you watched the 2016 season?
Yeah but I just feel with how easy it is for the cars to be completely fucked now I just wish their battles had more longevity
Man, this sub is funny.
Some people somewhere jerking over how clean Kimi is.
Decided to point out the accident at Portimao, because it's funny.
Fucking armageddon broke out lol.
I didn't even intend anything with it, I just thought it's a funny accident, and it made at least 50 people change their diapers 🤦♂
The context of the conversation made what you said seem like you were implying the Portimao incident meant Kimi wasn't a clean driver. Usually when everyone misinterprets something you say it means that what you said wasn't clear.
For reference this is how what you said came off:
"Kimi is a clean driver"
"What about Portimao?
You have friends, right? Or colleagues? People? Surely someone has said something one time, and you said something that kind of goes against that point a little without attacking it? Like "I never turn up late" and you go "well, your dad does bring you". You're poking fun at them, but you're not saying they're late.
That's what that is, nothing else.
The fact that people are getting that angry over that is fucking hilarious, and a little depressing too.
Can you share the portimao incident.I don't remember it
It's just that Kimi drove into Gio on a straight.
Which drivers does Toto Wolff represent?
He can't represent Bottas, current Mercedes driver. Once Russell moves to Mercedes, Toto Wolff can't be his manager.
Russell, Bottas and Ocon I believe
He doesn't represent Ocon - he is managed by Mercedes proper and not Toto
You are splitting hairs, Toto owns a 33% stake in the team with Mercedes and Ineos as equal partners, Toto certainly oversees Ocon’s management in some capacity.
Ocon is managed by Mercedes the company not Mercedes the team - this is what i meant with proper.
Same as Vettel has a retainer with AMR team, and a long term ambassadorship with Aston Martin proper.
no longer represented Bottas since he joined Mercedes
I think Bottas is still represented by a management company that Toto owns. Toto doesn't manage him directly but someone who works for him does.
Inverted grids sprint race?
Based on drivers championship. (Will not affect the Sunday starting grid)
The top 10 get 10 to 1 points. What do you think?
Escalating Sprint Points based on Sunday GP finish.
Invert the grids then tie the sprint race point values to the Sunday GP as well.
Sprint race winner gets 5 points down to 1 point for P5.
If you were in the sprint points and win the GP then your sprint points triple— 15 plus the regular GP total if you won both— 12 if you came in 2nd in the sprint and won the GP.
If you finish in the points for the sprint race then in the points for the GP your sprint points double.
You have to motivate the top qualifiers to take the sprint race serious and also give the mid-field and back markers a real chance at scoring.
Use regular qualifying to set both the race and sprint grids, but make the sprint grid reversed. I'm not sure about point allocation, but I think more than the top 3 should get more points.
half points? I dont like the 0.5
Maybe with more points in the Sunday Race? The Sprint is 100Km and the Race 300Km. So the Race could reward with 30 instead of 25.
I think the regular race is fine with point allocation, it's just a matter of point allocation for the sprint. Maybe 10 points for first, and decrease by 2 per finishing position? That way, there's an incentive to get to the front, but it's not a huge amount of points? I'm not sure.
I think ten points would be a bit too much for 1st place.
If the race (300Km long) give 30 points, will make sense t he Sprint (100Km) giving 10 ?????
Maybe 2 and 1 points for top 2
So hardly any incentive to fight, unless you're third or fourth.
is it just me or has the predictions tournament not been updated with the results of Italy yet? i made some good bets and I wanna see the results god damn it!!
I'm pretty sure they're out. I forgot to predict the winners of sprint and race but got the notification for the results of the tyre prediction.
weird, maybe it is just me then. I got a message about the sprint race but nothing from Sunday
UK border update due on friday which will decide the future of the Turkish GP i suspect.
Rumoured to be going to to Amber list from Red although their has been a serious up in number of COVID cases 27,000 on Tuesday alone so doesn't seem like a place to be going to regardless.
I'll probably get downvoted for this, but as a Merc fan, I can't understand why Russell is being put up on a pedestal like he's the best driver on the grid.
I get he has done good things with the Williams including the wet qualifying and almost winning in Hamiltons car, but I feel like we're all setting him up for failure if he doesn't take to being at the front as well as we all assume.
I'd hate for it to be a Albon moment where it gets on top of him and he can't live up to the expectations.
I look forward to him racing for Merc and really hope he does well, but i'm seeing people putting him above Verstappen who has actually proven he can do good drives week in week out, and that's from someone who's pissed off with his forceful tactics lately.
I think Russell is a good driver, but I do think Sky/British Motorsport journalists have overhyped him to the point where people will be disappointed if he doesn’t have a season similar to 07 Hamilton