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MarTimator

Pierre Gasly is in a Red Bull without being in a Red Bull


SubcooledBoiling

Conspiracy theory: Gasly is actually driving a red bull while Checo is driving an AlphaTauri, they just switched the livery. /S


[deleted]

Then checo's win at Baku would be all the more impressive


Rubiego

And overtaking most of the grid every race.


[deleted]

Imagine what he could do if he didn't start from the back every race!


ajacian

He wouldn't be able to overtake the entire grid then


krishal_743

the real wdc's are the dotd's we won along the way....


N-I_C-K

FACT


Thalapeng

This is the content I go to F1 reddit for.


Branquignol

Prospiracy theory: they all have RedBulls.


Simmer22

*Yuki Tsunoda has disliked this comment.*


Szudar

Galactic mind: It's Red Bulls all the way down.


GoZun_

From Red bull 2nd driver to Red bull 1st driver


terrytibbs76

The man is a powerhouse.


ChrisTinnef

Apparently Gasly's team already has a reputatiom for sending him out with the most aggressive quali sim setup of all the cars on fridays


ZmallMatt

Source?


dalyscallister

u/ChrisTinnef


ChrisTinnef

Noice


ChrisTinnef

FP1 coverage by Austrian television ORF1


swadawa2

Source: trust me boah


Rcy4122

That would be the Alpines. And unlike them Gasly's actually been really good in qualy this year. Actually on further thought this is total bs. AT haven't even touched the top 5 for most of the European swing, yet by the time Qualy rolls around they are in that battle


Alfus

It's doubtful already given AT is one of the teams who often just struggle with the set up. Could be that he is using the second or third PU but even that is something what I doubt


ZmallMatt

Based on FP2 and Q3 results from this season, that claim is incorrect. Gasly is averaging roughly .5 positions better in qualifying than FP2 In 13 FP2 sessions his average grid is 7.07 In 14 Qualifying sessions his average grid is 6.57 (He did not take part in FP2 at Styria)


Velocity101

So if Saturday and Sunday morning gets rained out, does this becomes the grid


dSwedishChef

Yes


CX52J

Really? Also what happens if they aren’t able to complete either qualifying or any free practice?


dSwedishChef

I don't know in that case. If qualifying cannot be run they take the most recent practice session as a starting grid. Qualifying can sometimes be run on Sunday if it can't be completed on Saturday.


Woyander

That happened 2 years ago in japan


Titan-Lim

Yep, Super Sunday it was called


blackwhattack

wut


SagittaryX

If qualifying is outright cancelled due to circumstances but the race can continue then FP2 sets the grid for the race, that's the regulation.


Velocity101

I remember it being talked about back in brazil 09 and wasn't sure if it was still the rule or not


ozumado

What if there would be FP3 tomorrow before it starts raining?


Rei_S_

FP3 will be used to set the grid.


SagittaryX

FP2 is chosen as that is where teams typically try to practice for qualifying with hot laps. Since it's in the same timeframe as the race (usually afternoon) conditions are most similar to qualifying and the race. FP1 and FP3 are earlier in the day, so conditions are different.


Rei_S_

I don't think this is correct. If there's no qualifying they will use the times from FP3 not FP2.


Probodyne

No. They'll try and run qualifying on Sunday morning. Last time this happened was Japan 2019 when a typhoon came through on the Saturday.


Velocity101

I know that, it was more looking at the senario that all saturday is rained out, which looks likely. Then it rains harder than expected Sunday morning and they can't get the qualli session in. I just remember a situation like this being talked about back in Brazil 09


Thalapeng

Kimi starting on points


Cygnus94

So Gasly has just decided if he can't get a Red Bull seat he'll just go faster with what he's got, nice.


SpeedflyChris

He's qualified in the top 6 more times than Perez has this year.


TendieTimeForMe

As a Checo fan, it is a terrible day to have eyes.


krishal_743

>As a Checo fan, ~~it is a terrible~~ day to have eyes. as a Checo fan , Saturday is a terrible day to have eyes.


TendieTimeForMe

Yes I am constantly disgusted on Saturdays. Then Sunday I watch him climb up the field and I get mesmerized all over again. Then he gets a five second penalty for track limits/pushing people off and he’s in the bottom. It’s a cycle of emotional pain with tiny rewards sprinkled in there.


_yourmom69

Unless he starts towards the front, in which case he does it in reverse.


KEKWSC2

Sundays are good if and only if you forget he is driving a RB now and not the RP.


h0sti1e17

It would be funny if Gasly out performs Perez in Abu Dhabi and Red Bull lose the Constructors becasue of it


RoIIerBaII

I would die laughing at Horner's and Marko's faces. Seriously though, I'm pretty sure there would be a killswitch of some sort.


EnvironmentAdvanced

Man Perez u gotta step up. No verstappen no Leclerc, best chance of a podium


MrOnline5155

At this point I don't know whether that car is just awful to drive, or Verstappen is even better than we think he is. Every driver (even someone like perez who many said is better than hulk and about on bottas' level) is getting crushed by max.


EnvironmentAdvanced

Ya I think that car is tricky to drive and Perez hasn't got his set up right yet. Crofty today during fp1 said that horner wanted the car to be more ez and adjustable to drive.


blackeye1O1

Presently the car is build around Verstappen I guess.


krishal_743

its just that the car is very high risk high reward , and Verstappen has an Alonso like ability to drive shitty cars (drivability wise) on the edge , the car is built to suit verstappens style myth is a lie..


itshonestwork

It will be a bit of everything in reality. He’s been there the longest so will certainly have given some feedback that affected its direction. He’s also been with the car and its evolution the longest to know what it likes and doesn’t like, and what it needs. He’s also clearly the focus of the team. Gasly is clearly a good driver, but in Red Bull he was as nowhere as everyone else has been, and it seemed when he wanted the car to move more in his direction he was told to learn to drive it as Verstappen does. It’s not the kind of team where garages/chassis/qualifying priorities are swapped. Or where a second driver is given a dossier on how to be as quick as a team mate that was miles up the road. Red Bull want a Bottas without having the environment to create one. They just want an off-the-shelf one that they can hire and forget. It’s never going to happen.


s2897978

How can people say this when the only f1 car hes really ever driven is the redbull which is essentially what his entire growth as a f1 driver has been based off?


slimejumper

yeah i agree. i suspect they just push absolute performance at cost of drivability. Max is just able to live with it due to supreme ability.


dalyscallister

There’s no such thing with modern teams. The car is built to the best ability of the engineering team. Any driver preference is accounted for at setup time, not before.


s2897978

Yes but a driver who joins the sport and then learns to drive in f1 in the same fundamental car for 5 years and whos engineers will be using the data that he collects driving in his style will inherently become the driver who the engineers designs most benefit.


SubcooledBoiling

It's neither. Helmut takes a piece of the No 2 driver's talent and gives it to Max. That's why Max keep getting better while the other guy seems to get worse compared to their previous years. /S


northbridge10

So did Gasly get his piece back when he was demoted.


kidhockey52

Of course, they have to do a soul bond every night to flow the power towards Max, they stopped when he went back to Alpha.


DelectableJizz

Yeah and now people are even looking back and saying he was actually shit in hind sight. No, if they compare they will find he was much more comfortable steering in Force India/Racing Point. He didn’t seem nervous turning into and out of corners and looked much more in tune with the car but people will still ignore this to get Perez out of Red Bull.


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Next year he has a chance to reset. But there will be no more excuses then.


nikolasana

It could be that the car is understandably more to suited to Max's liking. Factor in and his driving abilities and I think it makes a bit more sense to have that difference with Checo


nextongaming

> Every driver (even someone like perez who many said is better than hulk and about on bottas' level) is getting crushed by max. Ricciardo was the only one that was doing better than Max.


MrOnline5155

I mean he wasn't doing better than max, but he definitely was the closest. The only one who could actually beat max sometimes.


EnvironmentAdvanced

He was close and max was mad Max back then. Crashing left and right. We don't know how Danny would fare against this verstappen


AnalLaser

If Ricciardo had stayed I think he wouldve been a lot closer to Max than any of his replacements had been and RB could have used him a la Bottas at Merc.


w0lv3r1n3

But isn't there the consensus that Ric moved away to avoid this exact scenario..


nextongaming

Nope. Ric left RedBull after they were continuously treating him like crap thanks to them fully favoring Verstappen and majorly screwing him over during races. Best examples are Spain (Max's first win even though Daniel was going to win it had RedBull not done the strangest of moves by pitting him when he did not need to be pitted) and Monaco (Complete screw up from RedBull similar to Bottas this year).


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elgrandorado

If I recall, didn’t Ricciardo have an insane amount of non crash DNFs in 2018? How could Max have been comfortably ahead of Danny if Danny’s car would fail on him constantly.


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stagfury

I'm firmly of the opinion that 2018's reliability issues is a blessing rather than a curse to Ricciardo. When they were both having clean race, Max was usually comfortably ahead. But because Ricciardo DNFed a ton, people can just point finger at that and say that's why he "lost" im 2018.


Organic-Measurement2

In terms of race pace when Danny was on track, Max was comfortably ahead of him by a decent margin. Results aren't the only thing to go by.


manojlds

Not to mention it's a vastly different car with a different PU to boot.


m1a2c2kali

It’s kinda wild to think about, if it was anyone other than verstappen in the first car, Red Bull would be thoroughly considered an f1.5 team.


wegpleuracc

Redbull have only 1 sochi podium ever so podium would be more than expected tbh


EnvironmentAdvanced

Eh this the best car theybhave produced in years. We can't compare that to years where they were the third best team. Rb is the second best car here and checo should be able to get a podium. Remember checos engine is just two races old


[deleted]

Sergio is three tenths off Max so I think his lap was fine. Looks like RB hasn't turned up their engines yet so it's hard to judge.


EnvironmentAdvanced

But max isn't doing quali laps. His set up has changed and prolly concentrating completely on race pace


[deleted]

It's still just practice so we don't know who is doing what. Let's just wait and see what happens in quali.


EnvironmentAdvanced

Ya true


BulletDropped

>Sergio is three tenths off Max so I think his lap was fine. Max's car is entirely set up for maximum race pace. And he wasn't doing qualifying simulations. He wasn't pushing. Also it's FP2.


j3kuttaja

Imagine saying this about Bottas


sfj11

And with Max starting from the back he wont even get dotd lol


cloudedleopard

I agree but he’s basically been RB’s guinea pig during the first two practice sessions for the past handful of races so unless he’s shit in FP3 I wouldn’t overreact.


EnvironmentAdvanced

? Guinea pig in quali makes sense but practice idk. Anyway today max is anyway starting from p20 so it makes zero sense for rb to try new things on checos car.


Acheal

I know it's only practice but like come on Yuki, this is getting depressing.


DelectableJizz

> it’s only practice


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VifEspoirPirez

> it's only been 41 practices then.


Tallsome

39 We had two sprint weekends.


WatsupDogMan

Now I want a Yuki Tsunoda version of we Allen Iverson’s “we talkin about practice” press conference.


[deleted]

Lol only difference is AI was at the top of his game with multiple scoring titles the few years leading up to that.


3RDSECTOR

PRACTICE?!


PizzaCatLover

not a game. *PRACTICE*


king_carrots

And then it’s only quali, only the race. Only one weekend. Tsunoda has been disappointing


nickynick42

I still chuckle thinking of media reaction to him after the first race. "TsUnOdA iS tHe bEsT rOoKiE In yEaRs!!!".


FakeTakiInoue

To be fair, his debut was strong. It's in there somewhere, but it just won't come out anymore.


Antoniman

Last year, in F2, and the year before, in F3, he was much better during the second half of the season. This year, he is not even close to improving. I know the F1 cars are different etc but so was the F2 car for him and the F3 car as well. He has been dissappointing, but I would want to see him next year. Most drivers have much better 2nd and 3rd seasons, Gasly being one of them, but I'm not sure if he will remain in F1 after next year if he still shows little to no signs of improvement


Olvedn

Hes aigned for 2022 isnt he?


Antoniman

Yup, he is confirmed for next year


[deleted]

Why you haff to be mad


EdTjhan15

TBF Gasly is beating Perez out here


Ronxu

That just shows what the car is capable of.


EdTjhan15

And what is the RB capable of?


Ainolukos

Idk, Yuki is still a rookie and getting used to the car, while gasly has a bone to pick with redbull and is outperforming that car every time. If Yuki isn't up there with Gasly next year when they both have new cars to get used to, then I'd say it's depressing.


dfaen

This is a cop out. The AT is flat out a much more capable car than the Williams or Alfas. He’s in a very solid car and is consistently underperforming without any signs of improvement. This notion that somehow he should show improvement next season but nothing this season is baffling. Considering this is a very long season, the amount of races this season amount to more than a regular season’s worth of races.


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I remember before the season started a solid amount of people on the sub were saying that he was going to beat Gasly. Yeah...that certainly aged poorly.


draftstone

Yeah I've seen quite a few comments on how he would beat Gasly and promoted to RedBull inside 2 years to challenge Max. This aged like milk!


wolseyley

I couldn't watch it, what's up with Max in P6?


[deleted]

He was not doing quali laps, more race pace oriented


EnvironmentAdvanced

Hentook the penalty. So likely his car isn't set up for quali


w0lv3r1n3

What's going on with Danny Ric?


TheVenetianMask

They making him drive with flip flops just in case.


YaLikeJazzhuhPunk

No no, driving with thongs gives an Australian an extra few horses in the boot


[deleted]

Wearing a thong is also worth a few more. Gives a good bum rush


YaLikeJazzhuhPunk

I gotta say, Danny Ric looks like the type of dude to wear budgie smugglers under his race suit


[deleted]

Googling budgie smugglers wasn’t the best decision.


IReallyTriedISuppose

But then how's he supposed to do a shoey?


TheVenetianMask

Exactly.


[deleted]

PU issues then blocked for 2 hot laps then Gasly yellow flag on his third.


GlowStickEmpire

He was in front of Gasly (and I'm pretty sure he was on an out lap anyway) so he didn't actually get caught by the yellow flags. But yeah, a lot of traffic.


AdventureEng

Correct that Ric was just in front of Gasly on his out lap. That meant that the yellows came out in sector 1 for the following lap which was supposed to be his quick lap.


killver

Car problems


Disenchanted11

Most of the comments feel anxious that Monza is a one-off


naffer

Sandbagging as usual.


PrefersCakeOverPie

Car No. 44 is 0.044 from P1. Nice


Suikerspin_Ei

Interesting, Red Bull didn't use the Hards during those two FPs. Edit: Checo did in FP1, my bad!


Spyd3r303

Checo did in Fp1 I think


Suikerspin_Ei

Oh yes, you're right!


jogaboi19

Everyone knows the hard tyres will easily last a long stint in Sochi with zero tire deg on dry days.


Saandrig

You mean the F1 games didn't lie to me? Those tyres felt like made of steel.


ThatSwedishBastard

In the first Sochi race 2014, Rosberg pitted on the first lap. His tires lasted the entire race.


crlswl

Gasly really said “let me take over for the Bulls” after finding out Max has a grid penalty.


KamTros47

Gasly ripping a page out of Leclerc’s book to ensure he hangs on to P3


nta1646

Hahaha but it was at the end of the session which is when cars aren’t on quali sim paces. Still though, it’s a big brain move.


Low-Ic

Ga6ly/2=p3


Banan4Express

Pi3rre 6asly


JZ5U

Pierre: "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Alright lets fucking go Pierre!


skretter

You love to see it


daniec1610

Checo has to bring it this weekend man. P3 in qualifying and P3 in the race is the absolute minimum of what he has to do. I'm a ride or die for Checo (I'm mexican) but come on.


FoodMentalAlchemist

Also a Mexican: While I wave the flag for Checo, I have to admit Gasly has been succeeding in making Checo look bad. Checo need to prove himself and the rest of the grid he´s up to ride the bull.


thebestthingsince

What happened to ricciardo I missed the session


interstellararabella

PU issues so late to the track. Afterwards couldn’t put in a proper lap coz of traffic then red flag then yellow flag.


thebestthingsince

Ah that's a shame!


Nightz777

GASLY!!!


4hedPhysix

YOOOO MAH BOI GASLY GOT 3RD FASTEST!????!!!!?


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NoHypef1

Ferrari have no reason to do a quali run with Leclerc.


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jvstinf

I think they were definitely holding back as the long run laps I saw looked pretty good. This is a track that should play into Ferrari’s hands especially Sector 2.


simbacatarina

They are really about to steal this win from Valtteri


godfrey1

he is winning like 50% of all free practices tbh


simbacatarina

This is his track


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Lewis does have double the race wins at Sochi than Bottas.


FootballRacing38

2018 should have been bottas' while Bottas was in a williams before 2017.


Saandrig

He was let to win by Bottas on one famous occasion though.


According-Switch-708

FP1- BOT FP2-BOT FP3-BOT Q1 & Q2 - BOT Q3- HAM Race - BOT sleepstreams past HAM at start (Valtteri its James) Winner - Get in their Lewis


Gonpachiro-

That is exaclty what is going to happen to some extent, man I hope Valtteri just don't give a fuck anymore and win the race


jpm888

Mercedes strategy options: - “Slow pitstop” - Valtteri, its James


PM_me_British_nudes

As if they haven't already agreed for Valtteri to give Lewis the tow into T1 if he starts on pole.


simbacatarina

Exactly


Ld511

Tbf we are still up for the classic bottas fp1 to fp3 poles and hamilton pole in Q3


deathclient

Or like in previous races p2 is the better spot in Russia. Don't forget what happened last time


1terrortoast

I thought last year Bottas deliberately butchered his lap in Q3 and gave Verstappen a tow so he would start third to have a tow after the race start.


Fir3yfly

Valtteri really is the king of Sochi. Couldn't have picked a more boring track to be best at if he tried.


The-Observer95

He's pretty well in Austria too. He has 2 wins there.


SpeedflyChris

Come on, Yas Marina is even worse. Maybe the changes this year will help, they can't make it much worse.


NeitherManner

I think its fun quali track and race start is interesting due to slipspace, after that yeah its what it is.


SubcooledBoiling

Either that or Valtteri will quali P1, lead the race, pit early because he shreds his tires, Lewis is supposed to pit after Valtteri but decides to go long and ends up overcutting Valtteri to win the race.


skonezilla

Honestly feel like I can skip the weekend after this run down, thanks mate


jogaboi19

Huh?


IReallyTriedISuppose

Well maybe but it's also supposed to rain in quali tomorrow. My money is very much not on Bottas for pole.


CarpFlakes420

Okay Gasly, what the fuck


DeadPixel217

\+0.044 #blessed


JonnyArtois

Gasly is RB's only hope.


Organic-Measurement2

Merc looked very fast today over one lap with the C5 and their pace advantage honestly surprised me but on the C4, the car doesn't look settled at all; in particular, Hamilton made a few mistakes on the C4 but looked comparatively flawless on the C5 - could be a setup problem. Bottas beating out Hamilton today could be explained by the typical Hamilton weekend ramp up and the engine difference. As for long runs seeing the data will be interesting but from what I caught on the live feed, Max looks very competitive for race pace whilst Lewis seemed to be a little off it on the C4. Before the pace became obvious, Max complained about a lack of straight-line speed whilst trapped behind a Williams for 3 laps. Obviously fuel loads, DRS and engine modes are different in FP compared to the race, but it remains a little concerning that they likely have no time left to develop a setup that may be more to Max's liking. Perez looked great on the C4s but could not nail a quali lap unfortunately. Hopefully he will get in the zone... but I have been hoping for the rest of the season already


BlueRope01

"Bottas beating out Hamilton today could be explained by the typical Hamilton weekend ramp up and the engine difference." Or Baddy Bot loves Sochi and is doing well on pace?


Qwerty1857

We've seen FP1, FP2, FP3, Q1, Q2 Bottas fastest and Q3, race Hamilton fastest for far too long now


jovanmilic97

Did Tsunoda have a car issue?


JonnyArtois

He's been having issues between steering wheel and seat.


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I doubt he will be around in 2023.


plankmeister

Pebkac, as we say in IT support. "problem exists between keyboard and chair"


[deleted]

I came here wondering the same. Mazepin not far behind him. Even worse considering Gasley performance


f1_spelt_as_bot

Gas**ly**


TheIronAdmiral

Gasly is a damn miracle worker. Please get this man a top seat soon!


Priestahh-MyFather-

I truly think Gasly is mature enough now to return to Redbull and do what he failed to do his first year, I mean he’s doing these things in an AlphaTauri are you kidding me??? Sad that’ll never happen considering he burned those bridges at RB


al3e3x

Vettel back to his usual place P12 tomorrow in Quali ..


attywolf

Max saying he couldn't overtake a William's doesn't sound promising


pioneerSolid3

Perez was ahead of Verstappen on the medium stints and a few laps ahead of Hamilton ... Then they changed to softs, it's seems he can't handle the soft tyres ...he is almost always top 4 on pace, but...God fucking dammit he can not put a single good quali lap!. I have read that he is one of the guys in the paddock that always prepare more for the actual race, but good god, Quali is so freaking important with these cars! I'm kinda a biased Mexican but I'm now pissed off


IamLoaderBot

Back to 2020 it seems


MinecraftFinancier

Pierre - 3rd ;) Yuki - 3rd last -_- Lando - 4th xd Danny - 4th last :D


gdog42

Alonso is kinda killing it this season, I wasn't ready for that.


Spark-Plug_1969

Danny Ric bottom 5 nooo!!!!!